IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-04-23

Pupnikworks, slideshow seems to happen a bit faster by default now00:00
Pupnikstill see thumbnails of images on left side when using slideshow00:00
mikemorrisoncool. does the app icon show in the menu and on the side? and can you get to the preferences dialog?00:00
Pupnikin fullscreen mode00:00
Pupnikhow do i stop the slideshow00:00
Pupnikoh clicking on dpad-middle button stopped it00:01
Pupnikbut it took many tries00:01
Pupnikyes, icon shows in menu and on the side00:02
Pupnikit was difficult to stop the slideshow during the cross-image fades00:02
mikemorrisonyou can disable transitions for slideshow in the preferences, and also to remove the thumbnails when in slideshow00:03
Pupnikalso i couldn't leave fullscreen easily - system seemed too loaded00:03
mikemorrisondo you use virtual memory ?00:03
Pupniknice options selection00:03
Pupnikok leaving slideshow with fades turned off is not a problem00:04
Pupnikalso suggest you use the 'esc' button (the curved arrow) to close some status windows, like the 'properties' window00:06
mikemorrisongood tip. i never tested that but i thought it would happen by default.00:07
mikemorrison(it does on ubuntu)00:07
Pupnikvery nice UI work00:07
Pupniki can't think of anything else to criticise00:08
mikemorrisoni also made it so you can scroll the thumbnails with your finger or stylus .. like the web browser00:08
mikemorrisonPupnik: thanks for testing for me00:10
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Pupnikthanks for writing this00:10
Pupnikwhat is your next project, mtpaint? :)00:11
mikemorrisonheh.. i think i have my hands full with this one...00:12
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Andy80which is the simplest way to Syncronize (at least 1-way) GPE Calendar with google calendar? I need to import GCalendar data into GPE00:23
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Pupnikexult looks like a good tablet game00:54
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* Pupnik <3's SDL01:32
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Pupnikhmm i have a libstdc++ mismatch01:37
Pupnik/usr/lib/libsrxc++ on 770 is 756660  and in scratchbox 6.0.3 is 372391601:38
Pupnikversion GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file with link time reference01:40
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Pupniksymbol powf,01:49
Pupnikhrm libmatch01:51
Pupnikused in xmidi.o, libaudio.a, exult, iwin8 and libimagewin01:53
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Pupnikanybody got gregale installed on a 770?02:14
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Pupniki suppose i could try compiling libstdc++ in statically02:17
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KevinVermai am looking for claws-mail packages for n800, could not find the file-lists on garage02:49
KevinVermaany tips ?02:49
unique311hello all02:55
KevinVermahey there02:57
unique311whats up man02:57
KevinVermanpthing much hanging on02:58
unique311looking for claws mail02:58
unique311let me see if i can help02:58
KevinVermawell an old bookmark worked!02:59
unique311guess my help is not needed02:59
unique311Pupnik you around....02:59
KevinVermabut thanks to u so much, for showing up for help :)03:00
unique311mtpaint, you will have my input by 2morrow..03:01
unique311might make a small video of all my findings..03:01
Pupnikok thanks cool03:01
unique311going to work on the fullscreen again tonight..03:01
Pupnikput em on your web... cool!03:01
Pupnikif you don't mind i'd like to add them to my collection of notes too03:02
KevinVermaanyidea howto trigger 'tab' from large onscreen keyboard?03:02
unique311saw your PM, you said dimitry might be able to help with that?03:02
Pupniki just read that the screen detects pressure, that'd be pretty cool to modify brush opacity based on pressure03:02
Pupnikhe was responding to all my points right away - like within hours03:02
Pupnikso maybe you could just talk to him03:02
unique311well i tried setting up the pressure sensitivity option..03:03
unique311and i didn't see no change in the stroke when i pressed down hard on it03:03
KevinVermawell i guess i am in nees to 'tab' more for xchat03:03
unique311so that might not be working now.03:03
unique311tab on the large onscreen keyboard...not sure03:04
PupnikKevinVerma: you have a 770?03:04
KevinVermahmm, i'll wait till ifrogpadd comescheap ;)03:05
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unique311i like IDEAS03:06
unique311thanks whoever came up with that cool little applet...03:07
unique311you rock.03:07
KevinVermapupnik: n80003:09
Pupnikwoot Exult running :)03:10
Pupnikgfx errors tho03:10
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CountDownAs promised, here's how I used GStreamer to stream live audio and video from a Nokia N800 into Second Life:
CountDownIs there a good place to post this link?05:38
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neostriderhello folks05:43
PupnikCountDown: link does not resolve here from germany05:43
CountDownPupnik: What do you get?  404?05:44
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neostrideranyone had any problem with SDL_mixer under scratchbox?05:44
Pupnikhm hostname resolves05:44
Pupnikneostrider: never had sound in scratchbox :/05:45
PupnikIceweasel can't find the server at
neostriderso if my game cant open /dev/dsp on sbox, it will probably works on device?05:45
CountDownPupnik: Try www instead of web.05:45
Pupnikthat works CountDown  thx05:45
Pupnikneostrider: i dunno - works here05:46
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neostrider(strange...when trying to install a package, my device displays "invalid operation" , even my locale being Brazillian Portuguese)05:46
CountDownRevised link to how to stream live audio and video from a Nokia N800 into Second Life:
neostrideranyone have a device running gregalle?05:47
neostrider(I want to know what is the gregalle version number)05:47
SebbohHi.  I don't own an N800, but my boss has asked me to look into it.  Suppose I have application X, written in C, on my Intel linux desktop..  Can I run application X on the N800 just by recompiling it for the N800's arm processor?05:48
PupnikSebboh, you build your application in an environment that matches the device05:50
Pupniklibraries etc.  then you use qemu or rsh to emulate the cpu05:50
Pupnikcorrection: rsh to build on the cpu, qemu to emulate05:50
PupnikExult running in 800x480 widescreen now :) it looks sweet05:51
SebbohSure.. The OLPC development uses similar strategies..05:51
Pupnikusing the full screen looks so much nicer than a 640x480 window05:52
SebbohDoes the touch screen understand the difference between two fingers touching it at once vs one finger touching it?05:52
Pupnikyou can use buttons and screen however05:53
neostriderSebboh:  its a 770. N800 is bora05:53
SebbohDoes it work well with fingers at all?  Or is a stylus required?05:53
Pupnikfingers ok05:54
Sebbohneostrider: what?  Bora?  Huh?05:54
SebbohOk Pupnik.05:54
neostriderSebboh: sorry...misunderstood your message05:54
Pupnikit has smarts to detect fingers, afaik05:54
SebbohYes, I seem to recall a television advertisement that showed the keyboard resize..05:54
neostriderSebboh: about two fingers at the same time: clever UI programming can work this out05:55
neostriderit detects the middlepoint between the two tapping points05:56
Pupnikah so with fixed button locations you could detect two presses05:57
neostriderif you have two buttons and a button on the middlepoint meaning the two at the same time (I know, hideous, but would work), it would work05:58
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neostriderand it may work better with multimedia SDL apps05:58
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Sebbohahh, interpolation of a middle point isn't what I was looking for.  There's a new type of hardware for touch screens..  I bet the next N series will have it.06:17
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maxamillionoh wow ... quite the populated chan ...07:05
maxamillioni am looking into getting a nokia n800 but the only upgrade tools i have seen are for windows or mac, but i only own linux machines ... is there a way to either upgrade the n800 software through wifi and just the device itself or is it possible to connect via a linux machine for updates?07:06
derfIt uses apt, so you can upgrade over the network.07:08
derfIf you want to reflash with a new OS version, you can do that via USB on Linux.07:09
cesmanmaxamillion: you must be talking about the firmware07:09
cesmanyou can use Linux to upgrade the firmware07:09
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maxamillioncesman: yeah ... i assume i am talking about the firmware07:09
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maxamillionderf: wait ... it has a full out functional debian apt system? ... so can i use aptitude to install applications on it?07:10
derfI don't know what aptitude is, but if you can get it to run on the thing, sure.07:10
derfThere's a GUI thing that's kind of slow and cumbersome, but you can just use apt-get/apt-cache et al.07:11
maxamillionderf: well ... aptitude is another apt front end, much like apt-get but it performs a higher level of dependency checking among other things07:12
maxamillionalso, if i buy an n800 now and next year a n900 comes out with a new version of IT OS ... will the n800 be capable of upgrading to the new version of IT OS? (if that isn't entirely known ... was this the case with the n770 and IT OS 2007?)07:13
derfThe N770 did not get an OS2007 upgrade, AFAIK.07:15
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derfThough I think there's been some independent work to get as much of OS2007 as is possible running on it.07:15
maxamillionderf: i think the main thing i would be worried about is throwing $400USD at thise thing just to not be able to run current software within a year07:16
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derfNo, I understand.07:16
derfI mean, the 770 did at least get an OS2006 upgrade. It started at OS2005.07:17
maxamillioni'm a computer science major under graduate student and i have been saving up for this thing and now that i have the money i am doing alot of research to make sure it will be work my money07:17
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maxamillioncesman: that just gives a windows version of the update software ...07:18
cesmanperhaps you should read "For updating your software using a Linux computer, go to" and follow the link....07:18
maxamillionderf: i really like the idea of being able to write python software for it ... that's a language i have recently picked up07:19
maxamillionderf: ah ... thanks :)07:19
derfWhy anyone wants to use Python on an embedded system, I have no idea.07:19
maxamillionderf: "because we can" :)07:19
derfJust because you can, doesn't mean you should.07:19
maxamillioncesman: heh ... i should read more cardefully .. thank you07:19
maxamillionderf: true07:19
cesmanyou're welcome07:20
maxamillionderf: but its about the same as cell phones with an entire userspace written in java07:20
maxamillionin general, how many applications can you get installed in the provided amount of storade space?07:21
zuhderf: Just because it's python, doesn't mean you shouldn't ;)07:21
derfYou can put two 2GB SD cards in there, so... quite a lot.07:21
derf4GB or more cards with a kernel patch.07:21
maxamillionderf: right ... but i was meaning without adding SD cards07:22
maxamillionderf: i will if i must, i just don't really have the money right now07:22
derfThere internal flash is 256MB on a compressed file system.07:22
derfI mean, I waste like 80MB on dictionaries and fonts, and I've still got space left.07:23
maxamillioni notice applications around are listed by IT OS version ... i assume something listed for IT OS 2006 would not run on IT OS 2007?07:24
derfA lot of times they do.07:24
derfThe other way, not as much.07:24
maxamillionyeah, i didn't think backwards but i was hoping for forwards07:24
maxamillionmain thing i would want is the gaim/pidgin maemo port07:25
derfI haven't used that myself.07:25
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maxamillionomg ... there is a pptp vpn client ... that makes my day07:26
maxamillion <--- that's what i need to be able to access things on campus and i was really worried i wouldn't be able to07:26
maxamillionhmm... there is not an install file though :/07:27
derfGo to the webpage.07:28
derfHomepage, I mean.07:28
maxamillionah ... there is a .deb in the binary foler07:28
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mk8Hi to all ....10:06
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keesjHello and Jolly good week10:17
koenhey keesj10:18
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keesjI am now really almoost finished with the maemo qemu image10:24
keesjI's not very sexy work but I think it's importent10:24
keesjI will try to extend the image to also have the 0xffff and other tools10:25
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Protocol-I think the nokia 770's browser has javascript enabled by default even when the "enable" checkbox in the menu is _not_ checked12:19
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JaffaMorning, all12:29
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nomisSilvan und ich fahren hoch in die Mensa, sind um ca. 12:55 oben.13:26
JaffaSomething like would be so cool for the N80013:27
nomiserf. wrong channel...  :)13:27
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unique311checking for python2.4... /usr/bin/python2.413:49
unique311checking if /usr/bin/python2.4 is version >= 2.4... no13:49
unique311configure: error: python version 2.4 could not be found13:49
unique311why would this happen13:49
unique311i clearly found version 2.413:49
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b0unc3good morning...13:50
greentuxhi florian13:50
unique311whats up13:50
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lardmanunique311: Look at what the configure script actually does to check the version13:52
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florianhi all13:52
floriangreentux: hi!13:52
lardmanhi florian13:52
greentuxflorian:  my n800 reboots from time to time... is that normal? I hear the startup sound...13:54
ptmangreentux: unfortunately it is quite normal, but not intended13:54
floriangreentux: not really or at least not by intention, the ones here are quite stable but my one at least does not yet have the latest image.13:55
florianptman: which image do you use?13:55
ptmanit might be rebooting a bit less than the first bora image, but still sometimes13:56
greentuxflorian:  2.2006.51-613:56
`0660why not use the latest?13:57
greentux`0660:  its easy to ask that... but you cant get use "the latest" everywhere: mobile nokia 6630, sat-reciever dreambox, n800, some bios updates for my x40 and so on... :)13:59
greentuxrebooting looks like a serous problem, I didnt expect that at a consumer device...14:00
greentuxand after update I have to install all the apps again I assume? (lloking for the cable...)14:02
zeenixgreentux: heh! haven't you ever used windows? :)14:04
floriangreentux: i have the same, but so far it was quite stable. but i must admit that i haven't used it that intensive lately.14:04
greentuxzeenix:  no, linux since many years14:05
zeenixgreentux: well if you ever have then you wont be very surprised to see such problems in a consumer product/device :)14:09
greentuxflorian:  I dont use it, its only at the office desk and I hear the startup sound sometimes... ok will flashing now14:11
greentuxmmh apt-get distupgrade should also work?14:12
greentuxin that case I have not to reinstall the whole addon packges14:13
zuhNo, that's not supported14:13
zuhAnd _will_ result in a boot loop14:13
zuhWell, last I heard anyway14:13
greentuxmmh reda that here
greentuxaaah... assume thats not the nokia stuff, then the sdk stuff14:16
zullaandrew@bleb - ping?14:17
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_Gumbyi dont suppose anyone knows of an online store that sells the n800 that will ship internationally15:16
_Gumbycrazy nokia not releasing it in australia :/15:16 doesn't ship internationally?15:17
_Gumbyi dont think so?15:17
EncouragingSluggreetings from a fellow Aussie15:17
cosmo__at least they ship to Finland, but maybe that doesn't count as international15:18
tuhlwhere can I get a current package of openhands contact?15:18
EncouragingSlugI contacted Nokia Australia (or Pacific or whatever) a while back about availability of n80015:18
_Gumbyi thought nokia was a finnish company anyway?15:18
EncouragingSlugthey said they had no idea15:19
Okko_Gumby: The store ships only to Europe and US.15:19
EncouragingSlugI got a friend to bring one back from the US15:19
_Gumbyyeah, i'll probably have to do that15:19
_Gumbyunless i can find somewhere that will ship internationally15:20
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EncouragingSlugit might be worth having a look at the CompUSA site, it says something about international orders in general, but not sure what it applies to15:22
_Gumbyi found a few that will ship internationally, but they dont accept credit cards15:22
Okko_Gumby: come over to Finland, the summer is about to begin :)15:23
_Gumbyperth winter is probably still better than finland summer ;)15:24
EncouragingSlughas anyone had any success playing videos on on the N800?15:25
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Veggenhmm. The SU-8W keyboard - you don't need to install any software to use it, right? It did come with an SD card with software, but I think that15:28
Veggen's only for phones.15:28
OkkoVeggen: right, works out of the box15:29
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Veggen..and, I got the Navigation kit. Although I *do* kind of like Maemo mapper too. But I'm a sucker for gadgets, so...15:39
cosmo__anyone want to sell 770 navigation kit for me?15:41
c0ffeenokia does ;)15:41
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EncouragingSlugDoes anyone know how to get URLs in a gaim chat window to open in the browser?15:44
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inzEnco, by modifying the source... :/15:46
koeninz: it has a config option for that15:48
koen(unless the source hides that ;))15:48
inzIt might not fit the screen ;)15:48
EncouragingSlugor at least cut/copy it15:48
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VeggenHmm. The navicore manual has both EN-UK and EN-US version of the quickstart guide.15:56
Veggen..and FR and FR-CA. And ES and ES-MX.15:57
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inzVeggen, so you have proper english and crippled english versions ;)15:58
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jku_g sitewranglers16:02
jku_bloody hell, sorry16:02
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MikeJmorning and/or afternoon all....16:52
MikeJcan anyone point to a good page on how I can connect to the internet via bluetooth to a computer, in this case, a laptop with bluetooth, either windows or mac16:54
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MikeJI am able to peer fine over bluetooth to the laptop, but the gui available settings to do network connection are a bit limiting...16:54
roope  I wrote a   review of MaemoPad+ there.16:59
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roopeIf there are other ... apps or things that we could review, give a comment there. :)16:59
zullaandrew@bleb - ping?17:00
MikeJanyone seen Robot101 around?  I have a thought that he may be on an airplane right now back to uk..17:02
Jaffazulla: yup?17:05
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Takhappy monday; what's the word?17:15
Pupnikhi Tak, exult is nice and fast on 77017:16
Takdoes it require kb?17:16
Pupnikset screen to full 400x240 width and it looks great17:16
Pupnikrequires about 10 kb keys17:16
Takwill they remap to hw keys all right, do you think?17:17
Pupnikif you include the dpad as command keys, i think so17:17
Pupnikmovement is by screen taps17:17
Takthat could work, then17:18
MikeJanyone on the connect to internet over bluetooth to laptop question?17:18
Robot101MikeJ: hey17:25
Robot101MikeJ: I'm off the plane :D17:25
MikeJyour alive!!!17:25
MikeJanthm and I both got new toys last week...17:25
MikeJanthm is working on testing right now..17:27
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Robot101cool :)17:31
koenhey Robot10117:31
Robot101koen: yo17:31
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PupnikMikeJ: what options are you missing?  (i have no bluetooth experience)17:37
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MikeJI want to connect to the internet over bluetooth like you do to a phone.. but to a laptop instead...17:37
glassyeah i understand what you want to do17:37
glassbut it's rather rare17:37
MikeJnot for me :)17:38
glassusually using wifi for that kind of thing you see17:38
glassmost people17:38
MikeJright this moment.. at my office Ihave no wifi.. so that is my pressing concern...17:38
glasscertainly it's doable.. but, well, i don't know exact details how how and how hackery you'll have to go17:38
MikeJthe other situation is if I am for example at starbucks... and need to use laptop and n800 at the same time.. but only have 1 tmobile account :)17:39
Tak|workin that case, you can share the laptop's connection and use it as a gateway for the n80017:39
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glasssharing the laptops wifi is rather simple17:40
Veggenmmm, I think there's some documentation on the web about it.17:41
glasswell as long as you can tunnel something over bt it's doable, or getting the pc to act as a bt modem.. but maybe someone has already done it17:42
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MikeJglass, can't do via wifi in the latter case where I am using the wifi..17:46
MikeJfor my setup here, of course it's fine..17:46
VeggenMikeJ: What you need is probably
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Veggen(more details on the full setup on a link within, that one just to make it nice and userfriendly)17:47
MikeJVeggen, thats the link I was looking for :)17:47
MikeJthanks a ton17:47
c0ffeeMikeJ, you can just add a second ip to your wifi and use masquerading17:48
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Veggencoffee: but, what if one doesn't have wifi?17:48
c0ffeewell, he said he had wifi17:48
MikeJnow i have too many choices to choose from... :(17:49
maddleranyone tried SoniEricsson P990i BT with N800?17:51
maxamillionis there a virtual development environment i can use to write applications for the n800 while sitting on an AMD64 linux workstation?17:52
c0ffeethere are some vmware images preinstalled with scratchbox available17:52
Tak|workat least a couple of people are using scratchbox directly on amd6417:52
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mk8c0ffee: I found only a VMImage configurate for N770. Have you a link for witch one that is alrady configured for N800?17:54
maxamillionthanks :)17:57
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maddlerI was using sbox on AMD64 with my previous laptop...18:00
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maxamillionmaddler: x86_64 kernel?18:00
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maddlermaxamillion: yes...18:04
maddlerit was Ubuntu 6.10 AMD6418:04
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maxamillionmaddler: awesome18:08
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Pupnikscale2x works but it's not fast :)18:16
Tak|workas pixel doubling? duh :-P18:17
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konttoriPupnik: hows the snes emu doing?18:18
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Pupnik1.4 is too slow, drpocketsnes no progress due to much* work needed18:21
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Tak|work1.4 would be fast enough with an sdl driver and xsp doubling18:22
Tak|workat least fast enough for rpgs and strategy games18:22
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Tak|workdon't give up :-)18:25
Pupniki am not.  the sdl direct fb putrect method would be a great thing18:26
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PupnikCheck out exult runing fullscreen with Scale2X scaler
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Tak|worklooks nice18:35
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Pupniki'm looking into sound/midi problems right now18:36
PupnikTak|work: you know how to disable click sound when dpad is held?18:40
Tak|workin software? no18:41
Tak|workI just turned them off in the control panel18:41
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myrenanyone seen one of these:
glasswhere it's under 1k?18:47
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glassjapan, no wonder18:48
myrensomeone links a place you can urchase for $90018:48
myrenin the comments18:48
myreni havent actually tried a geode but its gotta be at least amrginally competitive against the ti chip18:49
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derfI think its big advantage is that it's x86 and supports MMX.18:49
derfAnd so there's already a host of software optimized for it.18:50
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myrenthe buildroot for maemo is pretty good really18:52
myrenmost programs will just compile18:52
myreneveryone in free software uses GCC18:52
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Pupnikis there a cflag that will magically solve pointer-alignment issues?18:52
Tak|workx86 is a big advantage18:53
Tak|worksince most software with any optimization is optimized for x8618:53
koenPupnik: -spank-bad-coder18:54
myrenthe x86 instruction set is pretty excessive.  embedded x86 always spends like 1/5 the power budget writing the fuckign instruction decoder18:54
myrenit may be familiar, but it is defiantely sub-optimal18:55
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Pupniki learned enough about x86 asm to hate it18:58
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Setokhi, I wonder if anyone has experimented in fixing up an intercom system around a nokia internet tablet? for use with a motorbike or (in my case) an open top car...19:00
bill20r3good luck with that.19:02
bill20r3seems a bit excessive to intercom 3 feet away.19:02
Setokyou obviously haven't sat in a Caterham 7 ;->19:02
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* bill20r3 hasn't.19:03
Setokjust thinking if anybody might have already looked at that. I guess snack or something could be ported for audio filtering purposes but you'd need to get two headsets rigged up as well19:04
Setok(haven't done any software for it yet, so no idea how big a challenge that could be)19:04
JaffaSetok: I've found I can shout loud enough in my Dad's 7 on a country lane :)19:05
Setokjaffa: yeah. it's not actually that bad, but we're planning a long trip to the UK in September for the 50th anniversary and would be nice to listen to music + talk + listen to navi info19:06
Setokthey can all be done separately, but you really need an intercom to enjoyably do all of them at once :)19:06
JaffaSetok: I'd *guess* at a simple mixer with multiple inputs (two mics, one N800) and a headphone splitter to both occupants would be the simplest.19:06
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Setokyeah, although it would be nice to cut out your own voice19:07
JaffaYou want a bit of it, otherwise it's the old mobile phone shouty syndrome.19:08
Setokjaffa: btw kind of cool to find someone on the channel who knows someone with a 7 :-) they're actually very rare here in Finland ... only had mine for a month19:08
Setokjaffa: true19:08
Setokthe 'proper'19:08
JaffaSetok: I imagine they get a bit chilly in Finland :)19:08
Setok.. intercoms mix in your own voice at a lower level19:08
JaffaSetok: A bloke at work's selling his Westfield - but it'd be cheaper to bump my dad off and inherit his proper 7 ;)19:09
Tak|workheh, even more rare in the us19:09
Setokjaffa: at the moment the weather is fine. the winter is a different matter ... mind you the heater is extremely powerful and with the hood up I reckon things could be nice and cosy. weather it's fun to drive then is another matter19:09
Setokjaffa: :)19:09
Setokthey're lovely vehicles. fell in love with them about a year ago and now all over again19:09
JaffaSetok: National Kitcar Show near here at Stoneleigh in a few weeks - will have to take Jaffa Jr. and Mrs Jaffa19:09
Setokoh yeah, I've read about that19:10
JaffaBit pricey, but a nice day out19:10
Setokis your dad planning to go to the 50th anniversary thing in september?19:10
JaffaNot sure, will have to ask him. I *think* he's mentioned it...19:12
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SetokI just booked tickets for it myself19:12
Setokturning 30 this summer so it'll be a bit of a holiday thing for me too19:12
Setokanyway, would there be any major challenges getting two separate mic inputs rigged up to the n800 somehow?19:13
JaffaCould do it with an analogue mix or - possibly - with USB audio19:13
Setokconnected through the mini-USB, I guess19:13
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bill20r3there's no usb host-mode drivers, yet.19:13
Setokyeah. does the platform support usb audio?19:13
JaffaSetok: yeah, he says he & my mum have booked (FWIW)19:13
bill20r3it doesn't support usb-anything, yet.19:14
Setokjaffa: cool :) well, if he comes across a Kristoffer Lawson, then he can feel free to say hi :)19:14
Setokbill: ok, bummer19:14
JaffaSetok: will let him know :)19:14
SetokI've been looking at separate intercoms but a full set would cost hundreds19:15
disqwhy not use bluetooth headsets paired with the n800?19:16
Setokhmm... that is a very good point. would it support two separate ones with mikes?19:16
JaffaIf you can support one BT headset, I suppose 2's trivial19:17
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shackanI've got an internet connection again!!!!!19:18
* shackan hi fives maddler19:18
Setoktbh I've never coded any BT stuff on anything (yet), but if there is good support for that then yeah, that might be an option19:19
disqin fact i'm looking for a way to connect *three* bt headsets to one bt dongle, or even route the bt audio via wireless from tne n800 to a windows pc :P19:19
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Setokbt headsets will likely come with totally unsuitable mikes (they need wind protection) and the headphones would need to plug in properly to block external noise, but some kind of hack could be possible, I guess19:20
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Setokare there BT modules that any mikes and phones could be connected to?19:23
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myreni can mow the lawn or go flying in an open pit airplane with my bt headset19:28
myrenSetok, yes, there are BT dongles for headsets19:28
Setokwhat kind of headset do you use?19:28
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myrenthe Jawbone19:29
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Setok(checking it) that's mono only, I gather?19:31
myrenthere is no specification for stereo+microphone19:31
Setokyou mean in BT?19:32
Setokah, I didn't know that19:32
myrenthere is a profile for stereo headphones and a profile for speaker+microphone19:32
Setokof course you could always use two monos19:33
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Setokthose don't come cheap, although they are very elegant19:34
myrensure, just buy two headphones.  ;)19:34
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Setokthat mike really is enough to cut out wind and engine noise?19:36
glasshmm what application is this for?19:37
glasshmm that 7?19:37
glasswhy not buy some that are meant for motorbike usage..19:37
Setoka Caterham 719:37
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Setokglass: yeah, I've been looking at those, but they're pretty expensive if you want a good package19:45
Setokand as I'm planning to get the navicore software and I'll have 'mamma' with me anyway, the geek within began to wonder if it would be feasible to do it with just the n80019:47
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tallihi i was wondering if there are any gimp-like applications for the maemo platform19:53
tallibasic image editing tools19:53
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Pupnikserpent isle sound and speech working20:40
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Setokoff home ...20:42
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Pupnikhm just the intro though20:45
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etrunkohey all, fyi i've just uploaded cairo 1.4.4 and poppler 0.5.4 packages to the extras repository21:28
saerdnaeri can't find this manual how to redirect sound from my laptop to my 77021:31
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nhdezoito_adrianhi LeandroAl21:45
nhdezoito_adrianLeandroAl: hi21:46
Pupnikdoes IT2006's SDL support Ogg music from the SDL_mixer's Mix_PlayMusic() method?21:46
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PupnikVersion: 1.2.6-221:49
Pupniklooks like it should21:49
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Pupnik1.0.6: * Added support for the Ogg Vorbis music format:21:52
Pupnikwell i'm not hearing anything21:53
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nhdezoito_adrianhi jluisn21:57
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jluisnhi adrian21:58
LeandroAlhi adrian21:58
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nhdezoito_adrianLeandroAl: Joi in the Brisa channel22:02
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unique311Pupnik, A working nintendo DS emulator in scratchbox.22:43
unique31130 fps22:43
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Tak| scratchbox22:45
unique311so on the n800 fps might be 1522:45
c0ffeemore like 1.522:45
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unique311Pupnik seems like emu guy, maybe he can make miracles happen with it..22:46
* Pupnik points to Tak22:47
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Pupnikmeh, including Xsp breaks other defined vars22:58
Pupnikit's Xfuncproto.h and Xlib.h i think23:01
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konttoriPupnik: From what you sent to me the last time, it was perfectly playable on n800 (otoh without sound). Might be a good idea to add a simple frontend and an installer. I bet quite a few people would be very happy indeed.23:05
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Pupniki'll see if i can get sound working on 1.4 and then will put up something for you to test23:06
konttoriHas anyone hacked wii controller to work on maemo? I mean just the simple pad controller part. Might be nice combo.23:06
Tak|workiirc keesj did something like that23:06
konttoriPupnik: won't sound just take away even remote hope of running it in full / near full speed?23:07
Pupnikfor RPGs, sound is more important to me than fps23:08
Pupnikthe sound doesn't have to do FM synthesis, which is good news, afaik23:08
Pupnikfrom what i read it's just sample playback and envelopes23:09
Tak|worksure, but what about the sample generation?23:10
Pupniki haven't found profiling info so it's all guesswork.. but samples take a lot less CPU than FM emulation in general23:12
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konttoriIndeed. a good point. RPGs love sounds, BUT it has to be good quality sound as well. There is not much compromise possible. Have you been able to get the fm working yet in any way?23:27
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Pupnikyou mean sound in snes9x .. no i haven't looked into it23:28
Pupnik  <- compile flags23:28
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myrenanyone ever run snes96 or snes97?23:37
myrenjust ooc23:37
myrenraise your hand if you're oldschool!23:38
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