| Pupnik | works, slideshow seems to happen a bit faster by default now | 00:00 |
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| Pupnik | still see thumbnails of images on left side when using slideshow | 00:00 |
| mikemorrison | cool. does the app icon show in the menu and on the side? and can you get to the preferences dialog? | 00:00 |
| Pupnik | in fullscreen mode | 00:00 |
| Pupnik | how do i stop the slideshow | 00:00 |
| Pupnik | oh clicking on dpad-middle button stopped it | 00:01 |
| Pupnik | but it took many tries | 00:01 |
| Pupnik | yes, icon shows in menu and on the side | 00:02 |
| Pupnik | it was difficult to stop the slideshow during the cross-image fades | 00:02 |
| mikemorrison | you can disable transitions for slideshow in the preferences, and also to remove the thumbnails when in slideshow | 00:03 |
| Pupnik | also i couldn't leave fullscreen easily - system seemed too loaded | 00:03 |
| Pupnik | ok | 00:03 |
| mikemorrison | do you use virtual memory ? | 00:03 |
| Pupnik | no | 00:03 |
| Pupnik | nice options selection | 00:03 |
| Pupnik | ok leaving slideshow with fades turned off is not a problem | 00:04 |
| Pupnik | also suggest you use the 'esc' button (the curved arrow) to close some status windows, like the 'properties' window | 00:06 |
| mikemorrison | good tip. i never tested that but i thought it would happen by default. | 00:07 |
| mikemorrison | (it does on ubuntu) | 00:07 |
| Pupnik | very nice UI work | 00:07 |
| Pupnik | i can't think of anything else to criticise | 00:08 |
| mikemorrison | i also made it so you can scroll the thumbnails with your finger or stylus .. like the web browser | 00:08 |
| Pupnik | nice | 00:08 |
| mikemorrison | Pupnik: thanks for testing for me | 00:10 |
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| Pupnik | thanks for writing this | 00:10 |
| Pupnik | what is your next project, mtpaint? :) | 00:11 |
| mikemorrison | heh.. i think i have my hands full with this one... | 00:12 |
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| Andy80 | which is the simplest way to Syncronize (at least 1-way) GPE Calendar with google calendar? I need to import GCalendar data into GPE | 00:23 |
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| Pupnik | exult looks like a good tablet game | 00:54 |
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| * Pupnik <3's SDL | 01:32 | |
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| Pupnik | hmm i have a libstdc++ mismatch | 01:37 |
| Pupnik | /usr/lib/libsrxc++ on 770 is 756660 and in scratchbox 6.0.3 is 3723916 | 01:38 |
| Pupnik | version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference | 01:40 |
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| Pupnik | symbol powf, | 01:49 |
| Pupnik | hrm libmatch | 01:51 |
| Pupnik | bath | 01:51 |
| Pupnik | math | 01:51 |
| Pupnik | used in xmidi.o, libaudio.a, exult, iwin8 and libimagewin | 01:53 |
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| Pupnik | anybody got gregale installed on a 770? | 02:14 |
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| Pupnik | i suppose i could try compiling libstdc++ in statically | 02:17 |
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| KevinVerma | i am looking for claws-mail packages for n800, could not find the file-lists on garage | 02:49 |
| KevinVerma | any tips ? | 02:49 |
| unique311 | hello all | 02:55 |
| KevinVerma | hey there | 02:57 |
| unique311 | whats up man | 02:57 |
| KevinVerma | npthing much hanging on | 02:58 |
| unique311 | looking for claws mail | 02:58 |
| KevinVerma | yup | 02:58 |
| unique311 | let me see if i can help | 02:58 |
| KevinVerma | hhmm:) | 02:58 |
| KevinVerma | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=223&release_id=541 | 02:59 |
| KevinVerma | well an old bookmark worked! | 02:59 |
| unique311 | guess my help is not needed | 02:59 |
| unique311 | Pupnik you around.... | 02:59 |
| Pupnik | y | 03:00 |
| KevinVerma | but thanks to u so much, for showing up for help :) | 03:00 |
| unique311 | np | 03:00 |
| unique311 | mtpaint, you will have my input by 2morrow.. | 03:01 |
| unique311 | might make a small video of all my findings.. | 03:01 |
| Pupnik | ok thanks cool | 03:01 |
| unique311 | going to work on the fullscreen again tonight.. | 03:01 |
| Pupnik | put em on your web... cool! | 03:01 |
| Pupnik | if you don't mind i'd like to add them to my collection of notes too | 03:02 |
| KevinVerma | anyidea howto trigger 'tab' from large onscreen keyboard? | 03:02 |
| unique311 | saw your PM, you said dimitry might be able to help with that? | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | i just read that the screen detects pressure, that'd be pretty cool to modify brush opacity based on pressure | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | he was responding to all my points right away - like within hours | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | so maybe you could just talk to him | 03:02 |
| unique311 | well i tried setting up the pressure sensitivity option.. | 03:03 |
| unique311 | and i didn't see no change in the stroke when i pressed down hard on it | 03:03 |
| KevinVerma | well i guess i am in nees to 'tab' more for xchat | 03:03 |
| Pupnik | ah | 03:03 |
| unique311 | so that might not be working now. | 03:03 |
| KevinVerma | s/nees/need | 03:03 |
| unique311 | tab on the large onscreen keyboard...not sure | 03:04 |
| Pupnik | KevinVerma: you have a 770? | 03:04 |
| KevinVerma | hmm, i'll wait till ifrogpadd comescheap ;) | 03:05 |
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| unique311 | i like IDEAS | 03:06 |
| unique311 | thanks whoever came up with that cool little applet... | 03:07 |
| unique311 | you rock. | 03:07 |
| KevinVerma | pupnik: n800 | 03:09 |
| Pupnik | ok | 03:10 |
| Pupnik | woot Exult running :) | 03:10 |
| Pupnik | gfx errors tho | 03:10 |
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| Pupnik | http://www.pupnik.de/Exult_Ultima_VII_Nokia_770.jpg | 03:31 |
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| CountDown | As promised, here's how I used GStreamer to stream live audio and video from a Nokia N800 into Second Life: http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ | 05:38 |
| CountDown | Is there a good place to post this link? | 05:38 |
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| Pupnik | cpp; | 05:42 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 05:43 |
| Pupnik | CountDown: link does not resolve here from germany | 05:43 |
| CountDown | Pupnik: What do you get? 404? | 05:44 |
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| neostrider | anyone had any problem with SDL_mixer under scratchbox? | 05:44 |
| Pupnik | hm hostname resolves | 05:44 |
| Pupnik | neostrider: never had sound in scratchbox :/ | 05:45 |
| Pupnik | Iceweasel can't find the server at web.media.mit.edu. | 05:45 |
| neostrider | so if my game cant open /dev/dsp on sbox, it will probably works on device? | 05:45 |
| CountDown | Pupnik: Try www instead of web. | 05:45 |
| Pupnik | that works CountDown thx | 05:45 |
| Pupnik | neostrider: i dunno - works here | 05:46 |
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| neostrider | (strange...when trying to install a package, my device displays "invalid operation" , even my locale being Brazillian Portuguese) | 05:46 |
| CountDown | Revised link to how to stream live audio and video from a Nokia N800 into Second Life: http://www.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ | 05:47 |
| neostrider | anyone have a device running gregalle? | 05:47 |
| neostrider | (I want to know what is the gregalle version number) | 05:47 |
| Sebboh | Hi. I don't own an N800, but my boss has asked me to look into it. Suppose I have application X, written in C, on my Intel linux desktop.. Can I run application X on the N800 just by recompiling it for the N800's arm processor? | 05:48 |
| Pupnik | Sebboh, you build your application in an environment that matches the device | 05:50 |
| Pupnik | libraries etc. then you use qemu or rsh to emulate the cpu | 05:50 |
| Pupnik | correction: rsh to build on the cpu, qemu to emulate | 05:50 |
| Pupnik | afaik | 05:51 |
| Pupnik | Exult running in 800x480 widescreen now :) it looks sweet | 05:51 |
| Sebboh | Sure.. The OLPC development uses similar strategies.. | 05:51 |
| Pupnik | using the full screen looks so much nicer than a 640x480 window | 05:52 |
| Sebboh | Does the touch screen understand the difference between two fingers touching it at once vs one finger touching it? | 05:52 |
| Pupnik | no | 05:53 |
| Pupnik | you can use buttons and screen however | 05:53 |
| neostrider | Sebboh: its a 770. N800 is bora | 05:53 |
| Sebboh | Does it work well with fingers at all? Or is a stylus required? | 05:53 |
| Pupnik | fingers ok | 05:54 |
| Sebboh | neostrider: what? Bora? Huh? | 05:54 |
| Sebboh | Ok Pupnik. | 05:54 |
| neostrider | Sebboh: sorry...misunderstood your message | 05:54 |
| Pupnik | it has smarts to detect fingers, afaik | 05:54 |
| Sebboh | Yes, I seem to recall a television advertisement that showed the keyboard resize.. | 05:54 |
| neostrider | Sebboh: about two fingers at the same time: clever UI programming can work this out | 05:55 |
| neostrider | it detects the middlepoint between the two tapping points | 05:56 |
| Pupnik | ah so with fixed button locations you could detect two presses | 05:57 |
| Pupnik | nice | 05:57 |
| neostrider | if you have two buttons and a button on the middlepoint meaning the two at the same time (I know, hideous, but would work), it would work | 05:58 |
| * Pupnik is happy with exult progress | 05:58 | |
| Pupnik | cheers | 05:58 |
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| neostrider | and it may work better with multimedia SDL apps | 05:58 |
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| Sebboh | ahh, interpolation of a middle point isn't what I was looking for. There's a new type of hardware for touch screens.. I bet the next N series will have it. | 06:17 |
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| maxamillion | oh wow ... quite the populated chan ... | 07:05 |
| maxamillion | i am looking into getting a nokia n800 but the only upgrade tools i have seen are for windows or mac, but i only own linux machines ... is there a way to either upgrade the n800 software through wifi and just the device itself or is it possible to connect via a linux machine for updates? | 07:06 |
| derf | It uses apt, so you can upgrade over the network. | 07:08 |
| derf | If you want to reflash with a new OS version, you can do that via USB on Linux. | 07:09 |
| cesman | maxamillion: you must be talking about the firmware | 07:09 |
| cesman | you can use Linux to upgrade the firmware | 07:09 |
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| maxamillion | cesman: yeah ... i assume i am talking about the firmware | 07:09 |
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| maxamillion | derf: wait ... it has a full out functional debian apt system? ... so can i use aptitude to install applications on it? | 07:10 |
| derf | I don't know what aptitude is, but if you can get it to run on the thing, sure. | 07:10 |
| derf | There's a GUI thing that's kind of slow and cumbersome, but you can just use apt-get/apt-cache et al. | 07:11 |
| maxamillion | derf: well ... aptitude is another apt front end, much like apt-get but it performs a higher level of dependency checking among other things | 07:12 |
| maxamillion | also, if i buy an n800 now and next year a n900 comes out with a new version of IT OS ... will the n800 be capable of upgrading to the new version of IT OS? (if that isn't entirely known ... was this the case with the n770 and IT OS 2007?) | 07:13 |
| derf | The N770 did not get an OS2007 upgrade, AFAIK. | 07:15 |
| maxamillion | hmm.... | 07:15 |
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| derf | Though I think there's been some independent work to get as much of OS2007 as is possible running on it. | 07:15 |
| maxamillion | derf: i think the main thing i would be worried about is throwing $400USD at thise thing just to not be able to run current software within a year | 07:16 |
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| derf | No, I understand. | 07:16 |
| derf | I mean, the 770 did at least get an OS2006 upgrade. It started at OS2005. | 07:17 |
| cesman | maxamillion: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 | 07:17 |
| maxamillion | i'm a computer science major under graduate student and i have been saving up for this thing and now that i have the money i am doing alot of research to make sure it will be work my money | 07:17 |
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| maxamillion | cesman: that just gives a windows version of the update software ... | 07:18 |
| derf | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 07:18 |
| cesman | perhaps you should read "For updating your software using a Linux computer, go to www.maemo.org." and follow the link.... | 07:18 |
| maxamillion | derf: i really like the idea of being able to write python software for it ... that's a language i have recently picked up | 07:19 |
| maxamillion | derf: ah ... thanks :) | 07:19 |
| derf | Why anyone wants to use Python on an embedded system, I have no idea. | 07:19 |
| maxamillion | derf: "because we can" :) | 07:19 |
| derf | Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. | 07:19 |
| maxamillion | cesman: heh ... i should read more cardefully .. thank you | 07:19 |
| maxamillion | derf: true | 07:19 |
| cesman | :) | 07:19 |
| cesman | you're welcome | 07:20 |
| maxamillion | derf: but its about the same as cell phones with an entire userspace written in java | 07:20 |
| maxamillion | in general, how many applications can you get installed in the provided amount of storade space? | 07:21 |
| zuh | derf: Just because it's python, doesn't mean you shouldn't ;) | 07:21 |
| derf | You can put two 2GB SD cards in there, so... quite a lot. | 07:21 |
| derf | 4GB or more cards with a kernel patch. | 07:21 |
| maxamillion | derf: right ... but i was meaning without adding SD cards | 07:22 |
| maxamillion | derf: i will if i must, i just don't really have the money right now | 07:22 |
| derf | There internal flash is 256MB on a compressed file system. | 07:22 |
| derf | s/There/the | 07:22 |
| maxamillion | hmm.... | 07:23 |
| derf | I mean, I waste like 80MB on dictionaries and fonts, and I've still got space left. | 07:23 |
| maxamillion | i notice applications around maemo.org are listed by IT OS version ... i assume something listed for IT OS 2006 would not run on IT OS 2007? | 07:24 |
| derf | A lot of times they do. | 07:24 |
| derf | The other way, not as much. | 07:24 |
| maxamillion | yeah, i didn't think backwards but i was hoping for forwards | 07:24 |
| maxamillion | main thing i would want is the gaim/pidgin maemo port | 07:25 |
| derf | I haven't used that myself. | 07:25 |
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| maxamillion | omg ... there is a pptp vpn client ... that makes my day | 07:26 |
| maxamillion | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/pptpclient/ <--- that's what i need to be able to access things on campus and i was really worried i wouldn't be able to | 07:26 |
| maxamillion | hmm... there is not an install file though :/ | 07:27 |
| derf | Go to the webpage. | 07:28 |
| derf | Homepage, I mean. | 07:28 |
| maxamillion | ah ... there is a .deb in the binary foler | 07:28 |
| maxamillion | :) | 07:28 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all .... | 10:06 |
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| keesj | Hello and Jolly good week | 10:17 |
| koen | hey keesj | 10:18 |
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| tigert | morn | 10:21 |
| keesj | I am now really almoost finished with the maemo qemu image | 10:24 |
| keesj | I's not very sexy work but I think it's importent | 10:24 |
| keesj | I will try to extend the image to also have the 0xffff and other tools | 10:25 |
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| Protocol- | I think the nokia 770's browser has javascript enabled by default even when the "enable" checkbox in the menu is _not_ checked | 12:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:29 |
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| nomis | Silvan und ich fahren hoch in die Mensa, sind um ca. 12:55 oben. | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | Something like http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/23/gp2x-commercial-interface-board-cradle-goes-on-sale/ would be so cool for the N800 | 13:27 |
| nomis | erf. wrong channel... :) | 13:27 |
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| unique311 | checking for python2.4... /usr/bin/python2.4 | 13:49 |
| unique311 | checking if /usr/bin/python2.4 is version >= 2.4... no | 13:49 |
| unique311 | configure: error: python version 2.4 could not be found | 13:49 |
| unique311 | why would this happen | 13:49 |
| unique311 | i clearly found version 2.4 | 13:49 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning... | 13:50 |
| greentux | hi florian | 13:50 |
| unique311 | whats up | 13:50 |
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| lardman | unique311: Look at what the configure script actually does to check the version | 13:52 |
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| florian | hi all | 13:52 |
| florian | greentux: hi! | 13:52 |
| lardman | hi florian | 13:52 |
| greentux | florian: my n800 reboots from time to time... is that normal? I hear the startup sound... | 13:54 |
| ptman | greentux: unfortunately it is quite normal, but not intended | 13:54 |
| florian | greentux: not really or at least not by intention, the ones here are quite stable but my one at least does not yet have the latest image. | 13:55 |
| florian | ptman: which image do you use? | 13:55 |
| ptman | latest | 13:55 |
| ptman | it might be rebooting a bit less than the first bora image, but still sometimes | 13:56 |
| greentux | florian: 2.2006.51-6 | 13:56 |
| `0660 | why not use the latest? | 13:57 |
| greentux | `0660: its easy to ask that... but you cant get use "the latest" everywhere: mobile nokia 6630, sat-reciever dreambox, n800, some bios updates for my x40 and so on... :) | 13:59 |
| greentux | rebooting looks like a serous problem, I didnt expect that at a consumer device... | 14:00 |
| greentux | and after update I have to install all the apps again I assume? (lloking for the cable...) | 14:02 |
| zuh | Yes | 14:02 |
| zeenix | greentux: heh! haven't you ever used windows? :) | 14:04 |
| florian | greentux: i have the same, but so far it was quite stable. but i must admit that i haven't used it that intensive lately. | 14:04 |
| greentux | zeenix: no, linux since many years | 14:05 |
| zeenix | greentux: well if you ever have then you wont be very surprised to see such problems in a consumer product/device :) | 14:09 |
| greentux | florian: I dont use it, its only at the office desk and I hear the startup sound sometimes... ok will flashing now | 14:11 |
| greentux | mmh apt-get distupgrade should also work? | 14:12 |
| greentux | in that case I have not to reinstall the whole addon packges | 14:13 |
| zuh | No, that's not supported | 14:13 |
| zuh | And _will_ result in a boot loop | 14:13 |
| zuh | Well, last I heard anyway | 14:13 |
| greentux | mmh reda that here http://www.maemo.org/downloads/releases.html | 14:15 |
| greentux | aaah... assume thats not the nokia stuff, then the sdk stuff | 14:16 |
| zulla | andrew@bleb - ping? | 14:17 |
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| _Gumby | hi | 15:15 |
| EncouragingSlug | hola | 15:16 |
| _Gumby | i dont suppose anyone knows of an online store that sells the n800 that will ship internationally | 15:16 |
| _Gumby | crazy nokia not releasing it in australia :/ | 15:16 |
| cosmo__ | nokia.com doesn't ship internationally? | 15:17 |
| _Gumby | i dont think so? | 15:17 |
| EncouragingSlug | greetings from a fellow Aussie | 15:17 |
| cosmo__ | at least they ship to Finland, but maybe that doesn't count as international | 15:18 |
| tuhl | where can I get a current package of openhands contact? | 15:18 |
| EncouragingSlug | I contacted Nokia Australia (or Pacific or whatever) a while back about availability of n800 | 15:18 |
| _Gumby | i thought nokia was a finnish company anyway? | 15:18 |
| cosmo__ | yep | 15:19 |
| EncouragingSlug | they said they had no idea | 15:19 |
| Okko | _Gumby: The nokia.com store ships only to Europe and US. | 15:19 |
| EncouragingSlug | I got a friend to bring one back from the US | 15:19 |
| _Gumby | yeah, i'll probably have to do that | 15:19 |
| _Gumby | unless i can find somewhere that will ship internationally | 15:20 |
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| EncouragingSlug | it might be worth having a look at the CompUSA site, it says something about international orders in general, but not sure what it applies to | 15:22 |
| _Gumby | i found a few that will ship internationally, but they dont accept credit cards | 15:22 |
| EncouragingSlug | weak | 15:22 |
| _Gumby | yep | 15:23 |
| Okko | _Gumby: come over to Finland, the summer is about to begin :) | 15:23 |
| _Gumby | perth winter is probably still better than finland summer ;) | 15:24 |
| EncouragingSlug | has anyone had any success playing videos on bbc.co.uk on the N800? | 15:25 |
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| Veggen | hmm. The SU-8W keyboard - you don't need to install any software to use it, right? It did come with an SD card with software, but I think that | 15:28 |
| Veggen | 's only for phones. | 15:28 |
| Okko | Veggen: right, works out of the box | 15:29 |
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| Veggen | ..and, I got the Navigation kit. Although I *do* kind of like Maemo mapper too. But I'm a sucker for gadgets, so... | 15:39 |
| cosmo__ | anyone want to sell 770 navigation kit for me? | 15:41 |
| c0ffee | nokia does ;) | 15:41 |
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| EncouragingSlug | Does anyone know how to get URLs in a gaim chat window to open in the browser? | 15:44 |
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| inz | Enco, by modifying the source... :/ | 15:46 |
| EncouragingSlug | crap | 15:48 |
| koen | inz: it has a config option for that | 15:48 |
| inz | oh | 15:48 |
| koen | (unless the source hides that ;)) | 15:48 |
| inz | It might not fit the screen ;) | 15:48 |
| EncouragingSlug | or at least cut/copy it | 15:48 |
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| Veggen | Hmm. The navicore manual has both EN-UK and EN-US version of the quickstart guide. | 15:56 |
| Veggen | ..and FR and FR-CA. And ES and ES-MX. | 15:57 |
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| inz | Veggen, so you have proper english and crippled english versions ;) | 15:58 |
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| jku_ | g sitewranglers | 16:02 |
| jku_ | bloody hell, sorry | 16:02 |
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| MikeJ | morning and/or afternoon all.... | 16:52 |
| Pupnik | greetings | 16:54 |
| MikeJ | can anyone point to a good page on how I can connect to the internet via bluetooth to a computer, in this case, a laptop with bluetooth, either windows or mac | 16:54 |
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| MikeJ | I am able to peer fine over bluetooth to the laptop, but the gui available settings to do network connection are a bit limiting... | 16:54 |
| roope | http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com/ I wrote a review of MaemoPad+ there. | 16:59 |
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| roope | If there are other ... apps or things that we could review, give a comment there. :) | 16:59 |
| zulla | andrew@bleb - ping? | 17:00 |
| MikeJ | anyone seen Robot101 around? I have a thought that he may be on an airplane right now back to uk.. | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | zulla: yup? | 17:05 |
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| Tak | happy monday; what's the word? | 17:15 |
| Pupnik | hi Tak, exult is nice and fast on 770 | 17:16 |
| Tak | excellent | 17:16 |
| Tak | does it require kb? | 17:16 |
| Pupnik | set screen to full 400x240 width and it looks great | 17:16 |
| Pupnik | requires about 10 kb keys | 17:16 |
| Tak | will they remap to hw keys all right, do you think? | 17:17 |
| Pupnik | if you include the dpad as command keys, i think so | 17:17 |
| Tak | hm | 17:17 |
| Pupnik | movement is by screen taps | 17:17 |
| Tak | ah | 17:17 |
| Tak | that could work, then | 17:18 |
| MikeJ | anyone on the connect to internet over bluetooth to laptop question? | 17:18 |
| glass | hmm | 17:19 |
| MikeJ | :) | 17:22 |
| Robot101 | MikeJ: hey | 17:25 |
| Robot101 | MikeJ: I'm off the plane :D | 17:25 |
| MikeJ | your alive!!! | 17:25 |
| MikeJ | anthm and I both got new toys last week... | 17:25 |
| MikeJ | anthm is working on testing right now.. | 17:27 |
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| Robot101 | cool :) | 17:31 |
| koen | hey Robot101 | 17:31 |
| Robot101 | koen: yo | 17:31 |
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| Pupnik | MikeJ: what options are you missing? (i have no bluetooth experience) | 17:37 |
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| MikeJ | I want to connect to the internet over bluetooth like you do to a phone.. but to a laptop instead... | 17:37 |
| glass | yeah i understand what you want to do | 17:37 |
| glass | but it's rather rare | 17:37 |
| MikeJ | not for me :) | 17:38 |
| glass | usually using wifi for that kind of thing you see | 17:38 |
| glass | most people | 17:38 |
| MikeJ | right this moment.. at my office Ihave no wifi.. so that is my pressing concern... | 17:38 |
| glass | certainly it's doable.. but, well, i don't know exact details how how and how hackery you'll have to go | 17:38 |
| MikeJ | the other situation is if I am for example at starbucks... and need to use laptop and n800 at the same time.. but only have 1 tmobile account :) | 17:39 |
| Tak|work | in that case, you can share the laptop's connection and use it as a gateway for the n800 | 17:39 |
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| glass | sharing the laptops wifi is rather simple | 17:40 |
| Veggen | mmm, I think there's some documentation on the web about it. | 17:41 |
| glass | well as long as you can tunnel something over bt it's doable, or getting the pc to act as a bt modem.. but maybe someone has already done it | 17:42 |
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| MikeJ | glass, can't do via wifi in the latter case where I am using the wifi.. | 17:46 |
| MikeJ | for my setup here, of course it's fine.. | 17:46 |
| Veggen | MikeJ: What you need is probably http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothNetworkingAndConnectionManager | 17:47 |
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| Veggen | (more details on the full setup on a link within, that one just to make it nice and userfriendly) | 17:47 |
| MikeJ | Veggen, thats the link I was looking for :) | 17:47 |
| MikeJ | thanks a ton | 17:47 |
| c0ffee | MikeJ, you can just add a second ip to your wifi and use masquerading | 17:48 |
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| Veggen | coffee: but, what if one doesn't have wifi? | 17:48 |
| c0ffee | well, he said he had wifi | 17:48 |
| MikeJ | :) | 17:48 |
| MikeJ | now i have too many choices to choose from... :( | 17:49 |
| MikeJ | hehe | 17:49 |
| maddler | anyone tried SoniEricsson P990i BT with N800? | 17:51 |
| maxamillion | is there a virtual development environment i can use to write applications for the n800 while sitting on an AMD64 linux workstation? | 17:52 |
| c0ffee | there are some vmware images preinstalled with scratchbox available | 17:52 |
| Tak|work | at least a couple of people are using scratchbox directly on amd64 | 17:52 |
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| mk8 | c0ffee: I found only a VMImage configurate for N770. Have you a link for witch one that is alrady configured for N800? | 17:54 |
| c0ffee | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 17:57 |
| maxamillion | thanks :) | 17:57 |
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| maddler | I was using sbox on AMD64 with my previous laptop... | 18:00 |
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| maxamillion | maddler: x86_64 kernel? | 18:00 |
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| maddler | maxamillion: yes... | 18:04 |
| maddler | it was Ubuntu 6.10 AMD64 | 18:04 |
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| maxamillion | maddler: awesome | 18:08 |
| maddler | yup... | 18:08 |
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| Pupnik | scale2x works but it's not fast :) | 18:16 |
| Tak|work | as pixel doubling? duh :-P | 18:17 |
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| konttori | Pupnik: hows the snes emu doing? | 18:18 |
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| Pupnik | 1.4 is too slow, drpocketsnes no progress due to much* work needed | 18:21 |
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| Tak|work | 1.4 would be fast enough with an sdl driver and xsp doubling | 18:22 |
| Tak|work | at least fast enough for rpgs and strategy games | 18:22 |
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| Tak|work | don't give up :-) | 18:25 |
| Pupnik | i am not. the sdl direct fb putrect method would be a great thing | 18:26 |
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| Pupnik | Check out exult runing fullscreen with Scale2X scaler http://pupnik.de/Exult_Ultima_VII_Nokia_770_02.png | 18:34 |
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| Tak|work | looks nice | 18:35 |
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| Pupnik | i'm looking into sound/midi problems right now | 18:36 |
| Pupnik | Tak|work: you know how to disable click sound when dpad is held? | 18:40 |
| Tak|work | in software? no | 18:41 |
| Tak|work | I just turned them off in the control panel | 18:41 |
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| myren | anyone seen one of these: http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/23/kohjinshas-sa1f00v-adds-touchscreen-still-less-than-1k/ | 18:45 |
| glass | no | 18:47 |
| glass | where it's under 1k? | 18:47 |
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| glass | japan, no wonder | 18:48 |
| myren | someone links a place you can urchase for $900 | 18:48 |
| myren | in the comments | 18:48 |
| myren | i havent actually tried a geode but its gotta be at least amrginally competitive against the ti chip | 18:49 |
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| derf | I think its big advantage is that it's x86 and supports MMX. | 18:49 |
| derf | And so there's already a host of software optimized for it. | 18:50 |
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| myren | the buildroot for maemo is pretty good really | 18:52 |
| myren | most programs will just compile | 18:52 |
| myren | everyone in free software uses GCC | 18:52 |
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| Pupnik | is there a cflag that will magically solve pointer-alignment issues? | 18:52 |
| Tak|work | x86 is a big advantage | 18:53 |
| Tak|work | since most software with any optimization is optimized for x86 | 18:53 |
| koen | Pupnik: -spank-bad-coder | 18:54 |
| myren | the x86 instruction set is pretty excessive. embedded x86 always spends like 1/5 the power budget writing the fuckign instruction decoder | 18:54 |
| myren | it may be familiar, but it is defiantely sub-optimal | 18:55 |
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| Pupnik | i learned enough about x86 asm to hate it | 18:58 |
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| Setok | hi, I wonder if anyone has experimented in fixing up an intercom system around a nokia internet tablet? for use with a motorbike or (in my case) an open top car... | 19:00 |
| bill20r3 | good luck with that. | 19:02 |
| bill20r3 | seems a bit excessive to intercom 3 feet away. | 19:02 |
| Setok | you obviously haven't sat in a Caterham 7 ;-> | 19:02 |
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| Setok | just thinking if anybody might have already looked at that. I guess snack or something could be ported for audio filtering purposes but you'd need to get two headsets rigged up as well | 19:04 |
| Setok | (haven't done any software for it yet, so no idea how big a challenge that could be) | 19:04 |
| Jaffa | Setok: I've found I can shout loud enough in my Dad's 7 on a country lane :) | 19:05 |
| Setok | jaffa: yeah. it's not actually that bad, but we're planning a long trip to the UK in September for the 50th anniversary and would be nice to listen to music + talk + listen to navi info | 19:06 |
| Setok | they can all be done separately, but you really need an intercom to enjoyably do all of them at once :) | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | Setok: I'd *guess* at a simple mixer with multiple inputs (two mics, one N800) and a headphone splitter to both occupants would be the simplest. | 19:06 |
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| Setok | yeah, although it would be nice to cut out your own voice | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | You want a bit of it, otherwise it's the old mobile phone shouty syndrome. | 19:08 |
| Setok | jaffa: btw kind of cool to find someone on the channel who knows someone with a 7 :-) they're actually very rare here in Finland ... only had mine for a month | 19:08 |
| Setok | jaffa: true | 19:08 |
| Setok | the 'proper' | 19:08 |
| Jaffa | Setok: I imagine they get a bit chilly in Finland :) | 19:08 |
| Setok | .. intercoms mix in your own voice at a lower level | 19:08 |
| Jaffa | Setok: A bloke at work's selling his Westfield - but it'd be cheaper to bump my dad off and inherit his proper 7 ;) | 19:09 |
| Tak|work | heh, even more rare in the us | 19:09 |
| Setok | jaffa: at the moment the weather is fine. the winter is a different matter ... mind you the heater is extremely powerful and with the hood up I reckon things could be nice and cosy. weather it's fun to drive then is another matter | 19:09 |
| Setok | jaffa: :) | 19:09 |
| Setok | they're lovely vehicles. fell in love with them about a year ago and now all over again | 19:09 |
| Jaffa | Setok: National Kitcar Show near here at Stoneleigh in a few weeks - will have to take Jaffa Jr. and Mrs Jaffa | 19:09 |
| Setok | oh yeah, I've read about that | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | Bit pricey, but a nice day out | 19:10 |
| Setok | is your dad planning to go to the 50th anniversary thing in september? | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | Not sure, will have to ask him. I *think* he's mentioned it... | 19:12 |
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| Setok | I just booked tickets for it myself | 19:12 |
| Setok | turning 30 this summer so it'll be a bit of a holiday thing for me too | 19:12 |
| Setok | anyway, would there be any major challenges getting two separate mic inputs rigged up to the n800 somehow? | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | Could do it with an analogue mix or - possibly - with USB audio | 19:13 |
| Setok | connected through the mini-USB, I guess | 19:13 |
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| bill20r3 | there's no usb host-mode drivers, yet. | 19:13 |
| Setok | yeah. does the platform support usb audio? | 19:13 |
| Setok | oh | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | Setok: yeah, he says he & my mum have booked (FWIW) | 19:13 |
| bill20r3 | it doesn't support usb-anything, yet. | 19:14 |
| Setok | jaffa: cool :) well, if he comes across a Kristoffer Lawson, then he can feel free to say hi :) | 19:14 |
| Setok | bill: ok, bummer | 19:14 |
| Jaffa | Setok: will let him know :) | 19:14 |
| Setok | I've been looking at separate intercoms but a full set would cost hundreds | 19:15 |
| disq | why not use bluetooth headsets paired with the n800? | 19:16 |
| Setok | hmm... that is a very good point. would it support two separate ones with mikes? | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | If you can support one BT headset, I suppose 2's trivial | 19:17 |
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| shackan | I've got an internet connection again!!!!! | 19:18 |
| * shackan hi fives maddler | 19:18 | |
| Setok | tbh I've never coded any BT stuff on anything (yet), but if there is good support for that then yeah, that might be an option | 19:19 |
| disq | in fact i'm looking for a way to connect *three* bt headsets to one bt dongle, or even route the bt audio via wireless from tne n800 to a windows pc :P | 19:19 |
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| Setok | bt headsets will likely come with totally unsuitable mikes (they need wind protection) and the headphones would need to plug in properly to block external noise, but some kind of hack could be possible, I guess | 19:20 |
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| Setok | are there BT modules that any mikes and phones could be connected to? | 19:23 |
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| myren | i can mow the lawn or go flying in an open pit airplane with my bt headset | 19:28 |
| myren | Setok, yes, there are BT dongles for headsets | 19:28 |
| Setok | what kind of headset do you use? | 19:28 |
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| myren | the Jawbone | 19:29 |
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| Setok | (checking it) that's mono only, I gather? | 19:31 |
| myren | yes | 19:31 |
| myren | there is no specification for stereo+microphone | 19:31 |
| Setok | you mean in BT? | 19:32 |
| myren | yes | 19:32 |
| Setok | ah, I didn't know that | 19:32 |
| myren | there is a profile for stereo headphones and a profile for speaker+microphone | 19:32 |
| Setok | frustrating | 19:33 |
| Setok | of course you could always use two monos | 19:33 |
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| Setok | those don't come cheap, although they are very elegant | 19:34 |
| myren | sure, just buy two headphones. ;) | 19:34 |
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| Setok | that mike really is enough to cut out wind and engine noise? | 19:36 |
| glass | hmm what application is this for? | 19:37 |
| glass | hmm that 7? | 19:37 |
| glass | why not buy some that are meant for motorbike usage.. | 19:37 |
| Setok | a Caterham 7 | 19:37 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 19:41 |
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| Setok | glass: yeah, I've been looking at those, but they're pretty expensive if you want a good package | 19:45 |
| Setok | and as I'm planning to get the navicore software and I'll have 'mamma' with me anyway, the geek within began to wonder if it would be feasible to do it with just the n800 | 19:47 |
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| talli | hi i was wondering if there are any gimp-like applications for the maemo platform | 19:53 |
| talli | basic image editing tools | 19:53 |
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| Pupnik | serpent isle sound and speech working | 20:40 |
| glass | niiiice | 20:40 |
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| Pupnik | hm just the intro though | 20:45 |
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| ni3w4zn3 | hi | 21:20 |
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| etrunko | hey all, fyi i've just uploaded cairo 1.4.4 and poppler 0.5.4 packages to the extras repository | 21:28 |
| saerdnaer | i can't find this manual how to redirect sound from my laptop to my 770 | 21:31 |
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| nhdezoito_adrian | hi LeandroAl | 21:45 |
| nhdezoito_adrian | LeandroAl: hi | 21:46 |
| Pupnik | does IT2006's SDL support Ogg music from the SDL_mixer's Mix_PlayMusic() method? | 21:46 |
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| Pupnik | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libsdl-mixer1.2/music_ogg.c | 21:48 |
| Pupnik | Version: 1.2.6-2 | 21:49 |
| Pupnik | looks like it should | 21:49 |
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| Pupnik | 1.0.6: * Added support for the Ogg Vorbis music format: | 21:52 |
| c0ffee | \o/ | 21:53 |
| Pupnik | well i'm not hearing anything | 21:53 |
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| nhdezoito_adrian | hi jluisn | 21:57 |
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| jluisn | hi adrian | 21:58 |
| LeandroAl | hi adrian | 21:58 |
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| nhdezoito_adrian | LeandroAl: Joi in the Brisa channel | 22:02 |
| LeandroAl | ok | 22:04 |
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| unique311 | Pupnik, A working nintendo DS emulator in scratchbox. | 22:43 |
| unique311 | desmume | 22:43 |
| unique311 | 30 fps | 22:43 |
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| Tak|work | ...in scratchbox | 22:45 |
| unique311 | yes | 22:45 |
| unique311 | so on the n800 fps might be 15 | 22:45 |
| unique311 | lol | 22:45 |
| c0ffee | more like 1.5 | 22:45 |
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| unique311 | Pupnik seems like emu guy, maybe he can make miracles happen with it.. | 22:46 |
| * Pupnik points to Tak | 22:47 | |
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| Pupnik | :) | 22:47 |
| Pupnik | l | 22:48 |
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| florian | re | 22:52 |
| Pupnik | meh, including Xsp breaks other defined vars | 22:58 |
| Pupnik | it's Xfuncproto.h and Xlib.h i think | 23:01 |
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| konttori | Pupnik: From what you sent to me the last time, it was perfectly playable on n800 (otoh without sound). Might be a good idea to add a simple frontend and an installer. I bet quite a few people would be very happy indeed. | 23:05 |
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| Pupnik | i'll see if i can get sound working on 1.4 and then will put up something for you to test | 23:06 |
| konttori | Has anyone hacked wii controller to work on maemo? I mean just the simple pad controller part. Might be nice combo. | 23:06 |
| Tak|work | iirc keesj did something like that | 23:06 |
| konttori | Pupnik: won't sound just take away even remote hope of running it in full / near full speed? | 23:07 |
| Pupnik | for RPGs, sound is more important to me than fps | 23:08 |
| Pupnik | the sound doesn't have to do FM synthesis, which is good news, afaik | 23:08 |
| Pupnik | from what i read it's just sample playback and envelopes | 23:09 |
| Tak|work | sure, but what about the sample generation? | 23:10 |
| Pupnik | i haven't found profiling info so it's all guesswork.. but samples take a lot less CPU than FM emulation in general | 23:12 |
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| konttori | Indeed. a good point. RPGs love sounds, BUT it has to be good quality sound as well. There is not much compromise possible. Have you been able to get the fm working yet in any way? | 23:27 |
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| Pupnik | you mean sound in snes9x .. no i haven't looked into it | 23:28 |
| Pupnik | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.2.3/gcc/ARM-Options.html <- compile flags | 23:28 |
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| myren | anyone ever run snes96 or snes97? | 23:37 |
| myren | just ooc | 23:37 |
| myren | raise your hand if you're oldschool! | 23:38 |
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