IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-04-11

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k-s[WORK]ok, here is my brand new player:00:01
k-s[WORK]be sure to read README ;-)00:01
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MoRpHeUzk-s[WORK]: =)00:02
gpolouhm, so you are from brazil =)00:03
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k-s[WORK]gpolo: ;-)00:09
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gpolodid you send some proposal to gsoc ?00:13
gpolo(checking opponents ;)00:13
k-s[WORK]gpolo: no, I'm graduated already00:14
gpoloah ok00:14
k-s[WORK]gpolo: I work for indt00:14
gpolowhat is indt ?00:14
gpoloindustry ?00:14
k-s[WORK]gpolo: many in this channel are from indt... MoRpHeUz, etrunko, osantana, ...00:15
k-s[WORK]gpolo: Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia00:15
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k-s[WORK]gpolo: it's non-profit00:15
Tak|workhah, I always wondered what indt stood for00:15
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k-s[WORK]gpolo: founded by Nokia due brazilian "Informatics Law"00:15
k-s[WORK]you get a tax reduction if you invest in research and development00:16
MoRpHeUz"Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia" = "Nokia's Institute of Tecnology"00:16
|tbb|h all00:16
gpoloI see00:16
gpoloit is located in Sao Paulo, i guess00:16
k-s[WORK]almost every big company has one here in Brazil... motorola, erikson, samsung, ...00:16
k-s[WORK]gpolo: no! Recife-Pernambuco00:16
MoRpHeUzgpolo: Recife - Pernambuco...not sao paulo =)00:16
gpoloah, ok =)00:16
MoRpHeUzk-s[WORK]: =P00:16
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k-s[WORK]gpolo: although most developers came from sao paulo or paranĂ¡ state00:17
gpoloim from paranĂ¡00:17
k-s[WORK]some from Minas Gerais00:17
k-s[WORK]gpolo: we have some guys here that used to work for Conectiva00:17
gpoloah, I see00:18
gpolowho from Conectiva is working there ?00:18
gpoloelvis ?00:18
gpologood guess ;p00:18
k-s[WORK]actually, elvis just moved back to his city00:18
gpoloit is joinville ?00:18
gpoloI remember a bit..00:18
gpolowho else ? ruda ?00:19
maddlerhi all...00:19
|tbb|heya maddler00:19
k-s[WORK]gpolo: ruda also quit... he moved to terra... was due relationship (aka woman)00:19
k-s[WORK]maddler: hi00:19
maddlerhi |tbb|... (no, as of now not so many chances for a new aircrcak-ng release :<)00:20
k-s[WORK]gpolo: epx, rodarvus, ruda, marciom, osantana (aka acidbase), were all from conectiva... some left (rodarvus, ruda), some still here00:20
gpoloso, in indt00:21
gpoloyou develop software for maemo ?00:21
k-s[WORK]gpolo: we have basically 3 groups here: 1) ex-conectiva; 2) ex-banco do brasil; 3) ex-unicamp00:21
k-s[WORK]gpolo: sure... Recife unity is all maemo... we still have Manaus unity with part maemo (kernel), part hardware testing00:21
|tbb|maddler :( , is it new that i can type big letters with the softkeyboard after i push a character and move the stylus to the upperi00:22
k-s[WORK]gpolo: we have guys working with bluez (bluetooth), drivers (camera, fm), ...00:22
k-s[WORK]platform/pymaemo is also done here00:22
gpolowhat is pymaemo ? (bindings do python of course ?)00:23
gpolouhm, I think I have a misleading vision of what maemo is then ;p00:23
maddler|tbb|: nope... undocumented but not new...00:23
gpoloI thought it was a "gnome"00:23
k-s[WORK]gpolo: ?00:23
|tbb|maddler n770 does have it also?00:23
gpoloI never used it or anything, I still want to buy a n800, or n77000:24
gpoloisnt maemo like a gnome ?00:24
gpoloa window manager00:24
k-s[WORK]gpolo: nope00:25
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k-s[WORK]gpolo: maemo is more like a distro than a wm00:25
gpoloah, I see00:25
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gpolothis resolved all my doubts about drivers etc00:25
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gpolothe last one is about pymaemo then00:25
gpolowhat is the use of it ?00:25
maddler|tbb|: no idea... didn't tried...00:25
k-s[WORK]gpolo: it's based on debian, provides a common framework, with gtk, x11, glibc, dpkg/apt, ...00:26
gpolok-s[WORK], n770, n800 come with maemo, right ?00:26
|tbb|i wouldnt miss that feature after i have found it out, backspace is the most feature after then / ....00:27
k-s[WORK]gpolo: maemo does provide a superset of gtk called "hildon"... it provides new widgets, services, ... these require bindings, these are provided by pymaemo project... together with python, pygtk, pybluez and py* compiled for ARM00:27
gpolouhm, I've heard about hildon00:27
k-s[WORK]gpolo: sure, Nokia builds its software platform on top of maemo00:27
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gpolok-s[WORK], ahh, now I understood the reason for pymaemo then ;)00:28
k-s[WORK]gpolo: but they add some proprietary stuff, like browser (opera), drivers (wireless)00:28
gpolok-s[WORK], is it possible to compile software for maemo and test it without having a nokia gadget ?00:29
k-s[WORK]gpolo: I'd go to and read some docs under "developer" section... nokia invested many resources to create that docs, they're really great (indt helped with some ;-)00:29
gpolok-s[WORK], ah ok :P00:29
k-s[WORK]gpolo: sure, you can run it using scratchbox00:29
Tak|workfor some value of "test"00:29
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gpolok-s[WORK], I got scratchbox here, but I'm sure I did some mistake00:29
gpolok-s[WORK], it doesnt detect any cpu-transparency methods00:30
Pupnikscratch box, what version00:30
gpolocore 1.0.700:31
k-s[WORK]gpolo: scratchbox can be used with both x86 or ARM targets, it provides a chroot and binfmt configuration to run arm binaries through qemu-arm... then you can use Xnest/Xephyr to have a X server running inside your current X session, simulating the screen00:31
gpolok-s[WORK], nice =) I just need to pass this point of detecting cpu-transparency then00:31
k-s[WORK]gpolo: there is a pretty well written tutorial at maemo website... there is even an automatic script to do everything for you ;-)00:31
gpoloI think I will give a try for the automatic script00:32
gpolocause I believe it is some problem of package versions00:32
gpolocore is at 1.0.7 but the toolchain for arm and i386 is 1.0.500:32
gpolothere wasnt a 1.0.7 version at scratchbox site00:32
maddlerdamn... me wonders how the hell Zyxell name their routers!!!00:32
osfameronwtf! what is the metalayer-crawler ?00:32
maddlerosfameron: beside being something eating your CPU? :)00:33
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osfameronit's got hold of one of my media files and so is aking my mmc unmounable by pc00:33
maddleris the daemon in charge of crawling your system getting informations about multimedia files...00:33
osfameronmaddler: i hadn't noticed cpu drain..00:33
maddlerlucky you... :)00:34
* k-s[WORK] remembers that we must agree on a common crawler so canola uses it00:34
osfameronhow do i kill the useless pos?00:34
maddlerI'd vote for the canola way! :D00:34
k-s[WORK]maddler: canola-conf?00:34
maddlerosfameron: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler stop00:34
osfameroni thought it was canola so i unistalled it...00:34
osfameronoh, t00:35
k-s[WORK]osfameron: don't blame me ;-)00:35
maddlerk-s[WORK]: basically only look in "known" directories...00:35
k-s[WORK]maddler: ah, :-)00:35
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maddlerI keep saying that crawling the whole system is overkill...00:35
osfameronhow is a muggle supposed to know that? ;-)00:35
maddlerand with 8GB cards coming...00:35
maddlerosfameron: asking here :D00:35
k-s[WORK]maddler: maemo should provide databases with already known data, so we'd remove our scanner and just use it instead00:35
osfameronoh crawling is fine00:35
Tak|workmaddler: I agree00:35
k-s[WORK]maddler: I can imagine scanning whole Mapper cache!00:36
maddlerk-s[WORK]: yep... but at least canola only look in configured paths...00:36
osfameronit jst makes the usb disk unmountable, which sucks00:36
maddlerk-s[WORK]: indeed... DEATH!00:36
Veggenmaddler: ought be easy to configure, at least.00:36
k-s[WORK]maddler: actually, next canola will just scan configured paths for configured filetypes00:36
maddlerVeggen: yep... I addedd a CRAWLPATH to my metalyer-crawler script...00:36
k-s[WORK]maddler: avoid listing your cover.png under pictures ;-)00:36
Veggenmaddler: I do, for example, *not* want canola to index the whole of my Maemo Mapper cached maps :)00:36
maddlerk-s[WORK]: good... good...00:37
Tak|workyeah, canola scans my mapper cache by default00:37
osfameronsh: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler: not found00:37
maddlerVeggen: simply tell canoa to look in your MP3s directory...00:37
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k-s[WORK]Tak|work: yep, but since there is now std layout for mmcs, it's better than not list any media00:37
maddlerosfameron: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler000:37
Veggenmaddler: well, yes. I figured it out, but it wasn't totally obvious how it was.00:37
Tak|workyeah, I just have to go and reconfooble my directories00:38
k-s[WORK]Veggen: we have even a video on youtube explaning how00:38
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Veggenk-s: Oh. Who reads documentation anyways? ;P00:38
osfameronmaddler: ta, just did that, grat!00:38
maddlerosfameron: :)00:38
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osfameroner, great!00:38
k-s[WORK]the only weird thing is that you have to remove the old dir and add the new one... but it's logical at least00:38
maddlerk-s[WORK]: indeed...00:39
osfameronwill that kill it for good?00:39
k-s[WORK]anyway, canola will be open source, you can help00:39
Veggenk-s: Might have been there I saw the solution, though.00:39
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VeggenMmm, canola is actually quite good. But it needs to be able to cache podcasts ;) (does it already?)00:39
k-s[WORK]Veggen: no... lsobral is working on it right now00:40
maddlerbeside a wget works fine... :)00:40
VeggenPlace number one that I want podcasts on my n800, is on the bus.00:40
k-s[WORK]Veggen: idea is to have a common infrastructure to cache things, and a cache manager (configurable, of course)00:40
maddlernot _the_ solution... but a workaround...00:40
gpolosimple renderings with cairo runs nice under n770/n800 ?00:40
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Veggenmaddler: Not so easy to use. For that reason, I actually prefer gpodder to canola for podcasts right now.00:41
k-s[WORK]problem is not just downloading, but limiting cache, doing invalidation, expire, ... and let user know how to manage it, otherwise you'll start to wonder why your 1Gb mmc just have 512mb free :-P00:41
Veggengpodder at least caches, even if interface isn't so pretty.00:41
maddlerk-s[WORK]: hehehehe... true... true...00:41
k-s[WORK]gpolo: no... it sucks because cairo still sucks... carl is working on that and we may see improvements on next versions00:42
Veggenk-s: me, I'd even prefer just handling it manually.00:42
gpolok-s[WORK], sucks really bad ? ;/00:42
k-s[WORK]gpolo: yep, a lot00:42
Veggen..deleting, that is.00:42
gpolodamn ;/00:42
gpolobut cworth is cool =)00:42
* maddler will award a free domain name to everyone will find what's the difference among Zyxell 660H-61 and 660H-D1 routers!!!00:42
gpolomaddler, it is clear!00:43
maddlerbeside the name!00:43
gpolomaddler, aww00:43
k-s[WORK]Veggen: our idea is to have it in some File manager visible path (~/MyDocs/.documents/canola-cache and /media/mmc{1,2}/canola-cache), so you'd be able to do that even without our UI00:43
Veggenk-s: hmm....have configuration specify a cache dir, a limit, and auto-expire (by age), but with the possibility to mark something for keeping?00:44
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VeggenThat shouldn't be too hard.00:44
k-s[WORK]Veggen: well... being a cache, names will be some kind of unique id, hashes or like, but you'll be able to see files and manage them... translation of ids to original path will be held in a .txt00:44
k-s[WORK]Veggen: that's the idea00:45
k-s[WORK]Veggen: it's not too hard... but you need to be careful to listen to GnomeVFS {pre-,}{un,}mount events... avoiding blocking the mmc, like happened to osfameron00:46
Tak|workmaddler: 0x7000:46
Veggenmmm, I guess.00:46
maddlerTak|work: :P00:46
Veggen"blocking the mmc"?00:46
maddlerok... to make it clear... I meant "tech" differences...00:47
Veggenis that something I should know about?00:47
VeggenI have had my mmc go all read only on me.00:47
k-s[WORK]Veggen: if you have files open on MMC you can't unmount it, so you can't remove the MMC... otherwise you'll get a corrupted filesystem00:47
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lle2sb2 has moved:
Tak|workhah - I bet daniels is happy that touch is fixed00:53
lle2I hope so :)00:53
lle2or maybe he's silently cursing that a perfectly good excuse not to have to test sb2 disappeared...00:54
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k-s[WORK]koen|gprs: already read vivi's post? mamona is using openembeded :-)01:06
koen|gprsk-s[WORK]: yes, I did :)01:09
koen|gprsit inspired me to add llvm to OE01:10
koen|gprs(or atleast make an attempt to add it)01:10
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sp3000init: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes02:07
sp3000/etc/inittab:T0:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt10002:08
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Pupnikhi i've got a strange thing02:46
glassprobably can't answer with anything though02:47
glasswith a little sympathy02:47
Pupnikpkg-config --libs gtk+-2.002:47
Pupnik-lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.002:47
glassif even with that02:47
Pupniksee this prog uses pkg-config to show what libs it needs to link in02:47
Pupnikwhich makes sense02:47
Pupnikand i seem to have them02:47
Pupnikcause if i do like ldconfig -p |grep gtk-x1102:47
Pupnik (libc6) => /usr/lib/
Pupnik (libc6) => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so02:48
Pupnikbut the make gives me02:48
Pupnik/scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.002:49
* Pupnik ponders 02:50
* Pupnik wonders if arm-none-linux-gnueabi is the right cross compiler thingy to use02:54
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Pupniklooks right02:54
Pupnikwhat's the best -mtune for 770?02:59
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Pupnikhmm either arm920t or arm940t03:05
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megabyte405hey folks, quite the party  - Was wondering if the install script for the maemo/scratchbox environment is the ideal route on amd6404:07
megabyte405I do have a chroot, but I'm concerned that I may run into more problems using that.04:07
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Pupnika maemo hacking party would be fun04:20
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Pupniksomeplace shady04:20
Pupnikwith pizza, beer04:20
bhimaI don't like beer. Can we have mountain dew instead?04:21
megabyte405see, the talk of the party really started discussion :)04:23
megabyte405it seems from browsing lists that there is no supersimple way to get scratchbox going on amd64 aside from a scratchbox2 or a chroot, so I think I will go ahead with the script in chroot - is there any reason why that shouldn't work?04:24
bhimaI would've said something if I thought I could help. sorry. :(04:24
megabyte405no problem - I can see by browsing the list that amd64 is still less popular than I would have thought04:25
megabyte405thanks though!04:25
* megabyte405 is trying to "ask good questions"04:26
unique311collect2: ld returned 1 exit status04:26
unique311make: *** [PicoDrive] Error 104:26
unique311anybody good with Makefiles04:27
megabyte405are these the best/most recent instructions?
megabyte405argh  (the freenode irc server won't help any...)04:28
gpolojust installed scratchbox, maemo is up and running ;)04:29
gpolowhen installing packages through scratchbox, I should just do the way I do normally ?04:30
gpolowhat kinds of command should I use with fakeroot ?04:30
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gpolowhere is the pygtk pack ?04:39
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dick-richardsonCan anyone recommend a good graphing calculator replacment for the n800? I'm used to my ti-85, but would like to only carry 1 device. More specifically, I'm looking for the equation solver functionality.05:35
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* Pupnik sharpens his dagger06:26
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TakPupnik: what keymappings did you use?06:34
Pupnikfor snes9x?  should be in the tarball whatever they are06:35
Pupniki just used defaults06:35
Pupnikenter for start... d and c for keys06:35
* Tak goes to remap some buttons06:36
Pupniki'm curious but dreading to hear how fast it is on the n80006:37
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Takhaven't gotten a chance on n800 yet06:38
Takchrono trigger intro seemed reasonable on 77006:38
Pupnikyeah i played it for a few minutes06:39
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Pupniklooks gorgeous doesn't it06:40
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Pupniki'm looking forward to it with xsp and your button mod06:40
Takyeah, it needs buttons06:41
Pupnikplease let me know if you discover any snes9x.conf settings that improve speed06:44
TakI'm poking around in there right now06:45
Takyou might want to play around with frameskip06:46
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Takhmm, you get it to run fs?06:56
Pupnikno the x11 window stuff is untouched06:56
Pupnikit insists on stretching to full available screen, and not running fs06:57
Pupnikcan you get it to run at 1x non-stretched mode?06:57
Pupniklooks broken to me06:57
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PupnikI'm saving up for a faster tablet :)07:02
* Tak waits for intro to end07:02
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Pupnikthe gp2x folks are making some claims about pocketsnes v6 being fairly fast on the 250mhz arm9 cpu07:03
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Pupniksomebody requested a C64 emu07:07
PupnikFrodo running at 300% speed right now07:07
Takhmm - I'm never going to catch the rat with these controls07:07
Pupnikat least you can make it run slow07:09
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Takhah, but you need to be 'running'07:10
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* nelson is away: I'm busy07:23
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Takhmm - does weird things when  you browse around in the x-menu07:34
Takwell, good work - very playable with remapped keys07:37
Pupniki've seen it break on a few things, but *shrug*07:38
Pupnikyou just tested on 770?  or 800 too?07:39
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Pupniki think sound might be possible on the 80007:40
Takjust 770 for now07:41
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Pupniktrying to figure out how picodrive wants to build right now07:42
Takheh, good luck07:42
Pupnikyou looked at it before yes?07:42
Pupniki can compile the two cores and the 77007:44
Pupnikunique built menu.o, though i don't know how07:45
Pupnikbut oh well it's a mess right now07:46
Takall the asm stuff would never link for me07:46
Pupniki started with the linux build07:46
Pupnikthen pulled over pieces of the gpx makefile07:46
Pupniknow it's not linking picodrive though07:47
Pupnikno idea why07:47
Pupnikthen there's plenty of errors left07:47
Pupnikso it'll be a couple of days i guess07:47
Pupnikif you want the current tarbal, have at it07:48
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PupnikAnybody want to test the C64 emulator (Frodo)?  I just compiled it and put it online here:
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PupnikFrodo C64 Emulator screenshot here:
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Pupnikmaybe frodo, dosbox, uae and snes9x could be launched with the xmaeme frontend08:17
Pupnikso it'd be your one-stop-emulation launcher08:18
JussiPDamn that looks nice.08:18
Pupnikhi JussiP  :)08:18
Pupnikmy emu-for-the-day :D08:18
JussiPWhat's the frame rate?08:19
Pupniki dunno, running at idle i get 300% of c64 speed08:19
JussiPNow someone has to hack a USB/1541 disk drive connector and plug that to the 770.08:20
TakPupnik: no reason why not08:21
Taktab-based interface might need to be reworked08:22
Pupniki'd sure like to see if uae can run with cyclone core08:23
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Pupnikoh and POSE too08:23
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PupnikI really want to get reesy's pocketsnes running "A mixture of SquidgeSNES and the PocketSNES Renderer. Supports transparencies and runs most games fullspeed at 250 MHz!"09:03
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Takwhat would also be helpful imo is to have a dsp task for the audio emulation09:19
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PupnikYeah, here's an overview:
Pupnikapparently it's basically a wavetable playback chip, so to emulate it, you don't need to do expensive fm synthesis09:26
Pupnikwhich also means it's not optimal for dsp-based emulation but still possibly doable09:27
Takit'll take load off the main core though, which is my primary concern09:29
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Taklike with fceu, at least half the cpu time is used by its (admittedly sucky) audio engine09:32
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Bighugoevrybody know minimo?09:41
Pupnikah the SNES also has some synthesis hardware, not just sample playback, which could be fairly expensive to emulate09:41
Pupnikhi Bighugo yeah, what about it09:41
Bighugohi Pupnik09:41
Bighugoi wonder whether minimo source is available now09:42
Bighugodo you know that?09:42
Bighugoi mean the port for maemo09:44
Pupnikhmm empty09:44
Bighugoseems Nokia guys haven't opened source, right?09:45
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Bighugodid you use minimo on N770 or N800?09:45
Pupnikno opera good enough09:45
Bighugobut opera is close source09:45
Pupniki am glad they are making minimo09:46
Bighugoi am curious about minimo's UI09:46
BighugoIs it written by XUL or other language?09:46
Pupniki don't know anything about minimo09:47
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Bighugoanyway, thank you109:47
Pupnikyou're welcome09:47
Bighugoone more question09:48
Bighugodo you know how many extensions are supported by opera on N770/n800?09:48
Pupnikno.  do you mean like flash?09:48
Bighugono, i think flash is a plugin09:49
Bighugothere are a lot of extension for firefox09:49
Pupnikyou mean like filedownloader, adblocker?09:49
Bighugoextension is used to extend firefox's feature09:49
Pupnikare there *any* extensions for opera?09:50
Bighugoi don't know09:50
Bighugoso i ask you about it09:50
Bighugoi think for firefox or minimo, it's important09:51
Pupnikwell find out who is working on minimo and talk to them, i'm sure they know more09:51
Bighugothank you09:51
Pupnikthis is an open source community09:51
Pupnikyou can talk to the developers :)09:51
Bighugogood night09:51
Pupniknot like windows world :)09:51
Pupnikgood night09:52
Pupnikok fixed the linking error in picodrive09:53
Pupniknow need to fix the gtk errors in gp2x.c (or pull gp2x.c entirely?) and fix the strange errors in Memory, Draw2, Pico, drz8009:54
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Pupnikbtw Tak, the YM2612 on the genesis is an FM chip.  dunno how heavy it is to emulate10:05
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CountDownIs gst-launch built into Maemo?10:34
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CountDownOr, if gst-launch isn't built-in, what's the best way to get it running?  I couldn't find any packages, but there was what looked like an old website recommending building in scratchbox.10:40
Pupnikdo you need to know what package provides gst-launch?10:41
jkyroCountDown: install gstreamer-tools10:41
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CountDownjkyro: I don't see gstreamer-tools in the application catalog.  Where else might it be?10:43
jkyrojust use apt-get10:43
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jkyroCountDown: you familiar with apt?10:44
CountDownOkay, thanks... time to figure out how to become root.10:44
CountDownYeah, I'm comfortable with apt, but I still haven't made myself root yet.10:45
jkyroan alternative is to use Red Pill mode in teh application installer10:45
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jkyrothat shows all packages, not just the ones in category user10:45
CountDownHow do I take the red pill?10:46
CountDownTime to brush up on my French.10:47
jkyrothe latter is in english10:47
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CountDownjkyro: Thanks... I'm in red pill mode.  I just refreshed the packages list and installed gstreamer-tools.10:56
CountDownAnd it looks like gst-launch-0.10 is available from xterm.10:57
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CountDownAny idea on how to get it to stream from the built-in web cam?10:58
zeenixCountDown: gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! xvimagesink10:59
zeenixalso append ' sync=false' to that cmd10:59
CountDown! or |10:59
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CountDownI've never used gstreamer. :)10:59
zeenixCountDown: !10:59
zeenixCountDown: | is used by the shell11:00
CountDownzeenix: Right, thanks.  So, where will this stream go to?11:00
zeenixtry it and you'll know :)11:01
CountDownah, i can guess.  i'll give it a whirl.11:01
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CountDownWho is that handsome guy?  :)11:02
CountDownIs that being encoded by h263?11:03
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CountDownNow that I have something working, it's time for some RTFMing... any suggestions on good docs for gst-launch (man page, etc.)?11:05
zeenixCountDown: you better start reading Gstreamer App. Programmers manual11:06
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CountDownzeenix: Will do.  All I'm trying to do is stream the audio/video to a QuickTime compatible server for redistribution.  Is that manual a good place to start for that?  If possible, I'd like to avoid modifying code.  :)11:08
zeenixCountDown: that manual is a good place to start, whatever you intend to do with gst :)11:08
CountDownzeenix: Excellent... thanks a bunch.11:09
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AD-N770good morning11:36
Pupnikhello AD-N77011:36
CountDownHello AD-N770.11:38
Pupnikit's funny how many programs are out there that compile almost without changes for the nokias11:40
AD-N770hello all, gray day in Barcelona11:41
Pupniksunny in hessen, germany11:41
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zeenixwould you people believe it if i say "it's nice and sunny in helsinki as well" ? :)11:51
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inznice and sunny in Tampere too11:52
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osfameronyeah, helsinki is nice in the sun11:55
osfameronsunny here in florence11:55
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_m0hi @all12:13
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Pupnikhi sbaturzio12:29
sbaturzioPupnik: ciao12:29
Pupnikare you using pixel-doubling on your game?12:30
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maddlermorning dudes!12:43
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CountDownSo, I'm using the snazzy xterm for Maemo and am somewhat chagrinned by the fact that the passwords I type into it are saved in the word completion list.  Is there a way to prevent this?13:03
CountDownAlso, is there the equivalent of a .bashrc file where I can put a bunch of aliases?13:03
inzCount, I've been looking for one, but this far haven't found any solution for hiding the passwords...13:04
inzCount, and I should apply a patch by mgedmin to get the busybox ash act as a login shell, so it would read .profile13:04
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CountDownThere should be a special toggle button in the column of control buttons that prevents text from being saved in the word completion buffer.13:05
CountDown(column of xterm soft buttons, not N800 hardware buttons)13:05
inzCount, that way it could be done, yes13:05
inzCount, but I would like a solution which detected if character echo was off or on, but haven't found one. =(13:06
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maddlerCountDown: a possibile solution for having .bashrc executed in xterm is using bash instead of sh/busybox as shell in xterm13:08
maddlerI post a quick workaround on
maddlerhmmm... I know this is not the "right" place... but... has anyone ever tried establishing an UMTS connection using Linux+E61?13:12
maddlerI'm using wvdial, and everything works fine with N80... but with E61 looks like ppp can't correctly connect (error 16, modem hang hup IIRC)13:13
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osfameronmaddler: nice one re .bashrc!13:18
maddlerosfameron: hehehe... thank you... :)13:19
maddlerbut please note that new tabs will keep using sh as shell... :(13:19
osfameroncan't be helped I suppose.13:20
osfameronI really must get a bluetooth keyboard, using touchscreen for irc is a big pain in the bum13:20
osfameronI mean, using it for the xterm is a pain, the keyboard ends up taking most of the screen and keeps appearing and disappearing, bah13:21
inzosfameron, I try to avoid the on-screen kbd as much as I can...13:21
inzosfameron, although now that I have a laptop, I no longer irc on N800/770...13:22
CountDownmaddler: Thanks for the pointer... I'll take a look.13:23
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osfameroninz: yeah, I can no longer get my laptop to see my mobile phone - Linux + mobile phone connection via usb = world of pain13:24
osfameronit may have been buggy and crashy on windows, and yes, the Nokia PC suite is a festering bag of pus, but *sometimes* it worked.13:24
jkuCountDown, there is a sort of workaround: when you see your password on the word-list, click-and-hold and select "remove".13:25
jkupasswd is obviously still saved on the machine, but at least it's not visible on the list...13:26
maddlerjku: niiiice13:29
maddlerbeing able to remove mispelled words is nice as well...13:30
jkutru dat13:30
maddleror vim stuff...13:31
maddlerI have many uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu or xxxxxxxxxxxxx13:31
maddlereven if a something like a "dictionary manager" would be kinda nice...13:32
maddlerwords are saved in a file in ~/user13:32
maddlershould find the time to understand its format...13:33
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inzmgedmin's patch for login shell now applied in 0.13.mh23(bora1)13:34
maddlerinz: good...13:36
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unique311whats up konttori14:43
unique311had fun trying to port picodrive yesterday14:43
konttoriNot much. Tried to get RC1 ready yesterday, but had a few critical bugs still. Maybe today...14:44
konttoriDid you have any success with pico?14:44
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konttoriunique311: did you score any progress with pico?16:15
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Pio"The Melbourne Age reports that company officials announced Tuesday that Palm will move to a new Linux-based platform 'to help the company compete better.'18:20
jku_Can't make up their minds, eh?18:26
jku_Didn't they just move to Windows mobile?18:27
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jku_That'll go nicely with the developer community :)18:35
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konttori_I wonder if they'll adopt maemo. Now, that would be a laugh!18:50
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bill20r3I appear to have dorked up my N800, it doesn't find any wifi AP's20:58
bill20r3or rather, it doesn't look.20:58
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maddlerbill20r3: rebooted? changed anything?21:00
bill20r3I was messing with airodump...21:00
bill20r3ahh, it's back21:01
bill20r3I did a cold-boot, instead of just warm rebooting it.21:01
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Tak|workhmm, is the app catalog down, or am I just unlucky?21:03
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dragornbill20r3: yeah the drivers hate rfmon21:04
dragornbill20r3: that's what's keeping me from having an official kismet release still, once I work out how to reliably reinitialize the drivers to a safe state21:05
dragorni'll script it up and package it21:05
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bill20r3I haven't replaced my driver, does the stock one support injection?21:06
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maddlerdragorn: here I have no probles after using Kismet...21:10
dragornbill20r3: no21:10
maddlerI only need to "reconnect"...21:10
dragornbill20r3: nor will it, it's locked out in the binary component21:11
dragornmaddler: hm, it's not quite so reliable for me21:11
dragornmaddler: so I need to figure out how to thrash it accordingly into shape21:11
maddlerdragorn: yup... drop me a line if I can help...21:11
dragorni've got the devices21:11
dragorni just need the time21:11
dragorni mean, kismet SHOULD be restoring the state, so it's something nokia-specific21:12
dragornplus the n800 drivers crash in rfmon a few seconds in21:12
bill20r3hopefully someone will "fix" it.21:12
dragornso I have to make a driver-replacer script for them and then integrate that into kismet21:12
dragornand make a menu launcher to run it inside osso21:12
dragornand set up a sudoer entry to kismet to run as root automatically.21:12
dragornfun is.21:13
maddlerdragorn: :)21:13
maddlerand I should start working to package a newwer release of aircrack-ng as well...21:14
maddlerTIME! I need *time*!21:14
maddlermore time...21:14
bill20r3so cracking wep is pretty much a no-go, since you'll never collect enough ivs without injection working.21:27
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bill20r3"so I hear" of course.21:28
Piowell you *can*21:28
Piojust takes a while21:28
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bill20r3like, hours, not minutes.21:29
bill20r3its just a curiosity anyway, I suppose.21:30
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dragornonce the 800 has usb host mode thinks will get interesting21:32
bill20r3you mean because you could use an external wifi adapter, with better drivers?21:34
bill20r3what's the current status of host mode anyway, is anyone working on the driver?21:38
dragornthere is no way for anyone to21:39
dragornthe actual interface code is all in a umac binary blob21:39
dragornthe driver in garage is a minimal skeleton which turns skb into blob data21:39
bill20r3ahh, so it's wait for nokia, or start from scratch..21:39
dragornall the control of the card is passed through to the blob21:39
dragornin theory the prism54 softmac could be made to work21:39
dragornbut I can't get it to, and the project looks to be dead anyhow21:40
bill20r3the old gpl-runaround.21:40
dragornand moved into the d80211 p54 driver, which a) only works on git extracts of the wireless tree21:40
dragornand b) looks like it wouldn't work anyhow in this case21:40
dragornit's a big CF of a mess21:41
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bill20r3can I do a flash, and preserve my installed apps/21:46
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bill20r3by backing up/restoring certain directories, or are all the launcher files mixed in with the stock ones/21:47
* bill20r3 is bad at shift.21:47
Tak|workyou can preserve your stock repos21:48
Tak|workby manually backing up /etc/apt/sources.list21:48
bill20r3and then reinstall the apps?21:48
bill20r3dpkg -l > applist.txt21:48
dragornthe backup util will back up almost everything, including your repo list, but not including the sw21:48
bill20r3cat awk apt, etc.21:48
dragornbe careful w/ that, since you'll have thinks like busybox in that list, and messing w/ that cross-flash images will likely break your system21:49
Tak|workdoes the new backup get the repo list?  mine never has in the past21:49
dragornTak|work: Mine did on the 80021:49
dieguitowouldn't it be better --get-selections ?21:49
bill20r3yeah, I'd do another list, and only install the stuff that's not allready there.21:49
dragorndammit i can't hit the 'g' key, thats twice i've mistyped things.  what the hell is wrong with me today21:49
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maddlerb0unc3: have you got something to tell me? :)23:36
maddlerb0unc3: you know... just before you forget it! :D23:36
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NoahjOoh, logs23:45
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b0unc3maddler: hmmm... no...23:47
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b0unc3maddler: have you tested the last release of idea ? I think there are too many bugs ....23:49
maddlerNoahj: hi...23:51
maddlerb0unc3: nope... not really... should I give it a try?23:51
maddlerNoahj: welcome...23:51
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NoahjI've got Maemo... internet tablet OS... (are they interchangable, as far as the 770 is concerned? 2.2006.39-14... is there anything besides find a soldering iron and make that I have to do, software-wise, beforehand?23:53
Noahj(it says to flash the latest version, do I have to?)23:53
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Noahj(oh, I forgot to mention that as far as deving on the 770 goes, I'm a complete noob.)23:55
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maddlerinstalling the latest 770 OS would be a nice move anyway...23:56
b0unc3maddler: only if you want...23:56
maddlerb0unc3: ok... I'll try to kill it tomorrow :D23:57
b0unc3maddler: ok, but use the last release...23:58

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