IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-02-08

keesjand today , with the fm , the n800 is going to bed with this hansom boy00:00
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jeepershowdy all00:03
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jeepersThanks for the answers yesterday. Here's a quick one...00:05
jeepersIs python installed on the device in the factory configuration?00:05
aCiDBaSejeepers: unfortunatelly not...00:05
jeepersok... just wanted to rule out something even weirder.00:06
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shackanmmmm, I just read on the ML that the 800 can determine its orientation, sooo, does it have an accelerometer to do that ??00:06
guerbyshackan, URL?00:06
nomiswoot, is today the great hardware-discovery-day or what?00:07
shackannomis, I'm just *asking*, I don't even have an n80000:07
shackanoh wait00:08
shackanok ok, you can beat me with a stick now, I misread the email00:09
nomisshackan: do you mean the thing about the camera position?00:09
Jaffashackan : sure it didn't mean the camera position00:09
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nomisshackan: heh, ok.00:09
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shackanright, it just refers to the _camera_ position00:09
nomisshackan: it is just that today someone discovered an application to access an FM radio in the N800 that wasn't advertized earlier.00:09
shackanI tought for a second that it could flip the screen when you put it horizontally like the iphone does00:10
nomisshackan: yeah, that would have been a nice thing.00:10
MoRpHeUzanybody can help me with a "dbus-send" command line to open a video ?00:11
wumpusnomis: huh, seriously?00:12
nomiswumpus: the radio? Yes.00:12
wumpusdo you have a link?00:12
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wumpusI see, thanks00:13
jeepersreposting link:
jeepersJaffa: thanks for the write up00:14
guerbywumpus, just listening to the radio with my N800 right now :)00:16
jeepersMoRpHeUz: I can't help but I'm interested in what you are doing... what are you actually trying to do?00:16
garrettI've been doing that most of today00:16
garrettit's nice00:16
MoRpHeUzjeepers: I'm streaming a video from my desktop. I can play it on n800's mplayer but can't using (gst-launch-0.10 -vm playbin) I'm trying to play another way..00:18
MoRpHeUzjeepers: I just can't understand because I copied a video that plays on n800's media player to my desktop and started streamming it (using vlc) and n800 just receives the video through mplayer...00:19
MoRpHeUzcouldnt make it work with gstreamer..00:19
wumpusguerby: very cool00:19
MoRpHeUzjeepers: if you have any clue...00:20
jeepersMoRpH: ah... I thought you were trying to control mplayer from another app via the dbus. I didn't know if mplayer was dbus aware.00:21
MoRpHeUzjeepers: if I try to stream an mp4 file, gstreamer detects it as video/quicktime and says it doesnt have a codec...00:21
MoRpHeUzjeepers: my next step will be to control mplayer from my app hehe00:21
wumpusI'm now looking at these i2c devices; seems it has tmp105 (some kind of sensor), menelaus (voltage setting), TCM825x (another sensor something) and TEA5761 (the fm radio)00:22
MoRpHeUzif I cant make it work with gstreamer00:22
jeepersMoRpH: can you check your mime types? Check the mime type mapping. See if you can't just force it to recognize mp4 as something playable by mplayer.00:23
jeepersI'm not really sure how they map on the n800 as I was fiddling around and noticed that the magic file is a binary and there are a lot of xml files but they don't have anything mapped in the dev environ00:24
jeepersI haven't looked at them on the device.00:24
MoRpHeUzjeepers: with mplayer I can play it...00:24
MoRpHeUzit's not possible just with gstreamer..00:24
jeepersMoRpH: ah.. sorry. I meant gstreamer.00:24
revhey kids! i'm trying to install new scratchbox for developing for the N800 on ubuntu... i added it to the sources.list file.  which scratchbox-toolchain-* packages should i install?  would these be fine? scratchbox-toolchain-9686-linux-ct4.1.0-2.3.6tls and scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc4.01-glibc2.3 ? or should i install a couple different toolchain packages instead?00:25
MoRpHeUzow, ok...I will try to discoverhow to do it...00:25
jeepersMoRpH: maybe that will help... that's the only thing i can think of from here. At least you know it is receiving the stream.00:26
MoRpHeUzjeepers: yeah!00:26
MoRpHeUzjeepers: I'll try to discover how to force the mime type..00:26
jeepersMoRpH: good luck!00:27
MoRpHeUzjeepers: thanks! =)00:28
MoRpHeUzI'll report the result00:28
lle2rev: I believe you'd be better off using the installer scripts from maemo.org00:30
revlle2: huh, ok ... i'll do that instead. i thought, like most stuff in a debian-based system, it'd just be a few apt-get installs and i'd be whisked off to freedom00:30
revlle2: i'll do that instead - thanks!00:30
lle2rev: with sb & maemo, apt-get will definitely whisk you off somewhere00:31
revjust not where i want to be? ;)00:32
lle2that entirely depends where you want to be :)00:32
lle2rev: and remember to ignore instructions, they are there to confuse people00:33
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MoRpHeUzany mpeg1 decoder for n800 ? (gst) ?00:46
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c0ffeecomments are welcome :)00:52
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|tbb|c0ffee: will it work for the n800 too?01:04
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|tbb|so u dont have 1 right now?01:05
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c0ffeeone what?01:06
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c0ffeei have both01:07
c0ffeestill, it only works for the 77001:07
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|tbb|after gizmo going to work on n800 back, im looking forward 4 a bt headset01:08
JussiPWould it be possible to decode RDS data from the radio streams with a software update?01:08
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nomisJussiP: probably not.01:09
JussiPPity. It would be cool, though.01:10
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nomisJussiP: from what I read on it seems to transmit data on a different frequency (not a radio technician though).01:11
nomisThe weird thing is that I remember a device which you could plug into line out to decode RDS.01:12
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nomisthat kind of implies that it is embedded in the audio signal, but that conflicts with the information I read elsewhere.01:12
JussiPSeems to be an issue of doing the proper DSP magic then...01:13
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JussiPThe radio seem smart enough to switch to mono when reception is bad.01:13
JaffaThat's generally a "feature" of FM encoding.01:16
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JussiPMy old digital Crystal Clear Tuning Lock Whatever radio could not do it automatically.01:17
|tbb|is it possible to get the output volume higher then now on the fm radio, like on the internet radio?01:19
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Jaffa|tbb|: just was exceedingly loud for me over the built-in speakers: started from home applet, brought up full GUI, pushed it and system volume to max01:24
|tbb|for me only the half of internet radio loudness, maybee while staying  at home01:25
JussiPThe volume was the same as other apps for me. Strange.01:25
|tbb|maddler: awake?01:25
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MoRpHeUzany successfull attempt of installing ogg/vorbis's plugins on n800 ??01:26
|tbb|jaffa let me know over ur success with it01:27
nomisThe Radio seems to have its own mixer channel.01:27
nomisso make sure that the applet-embedded volume sliders are at similiar levels.01:27
Jaffa|tbb|: will do01:28
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|tbb|nomis ive do all mixer ive found to the the highest level01:28
|tbb|still 60 percent to my internet radio stations01:29
nomis*shrug* no idea then.01:30
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|tbb|anyway im happy to have an fm radio now01:32
nomisOk, the device I had in mind seems to depend on a non-low-pass-filtering amplifier.01:37
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MoRpHeUz answers my last question =)01:41
garrettoh that's cool01:44
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|tbb|nomis i just have compared internet radio with fm radio same sender, diffrent loudness :/01:54
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|tbb|it would be nice if someone could add a clock to the fm radio applet  like on the internet radio applet which shows the played time02:01
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nomisyay! a QT discussion.02:04
* nomis fetches popcorn.02:04
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[mbm]someone needs to combine the fm radio with the internet radio app02:04
|tbb|if someone like trance music and would hear an good internet radio station then go2 djdoboy.com02:05
* [mbm] usually uses clubkydz.com02:05
JussiPI've been hearing about this really nice station called bittorrent or something like that. :)02:06
|tbb|jussi which u mean02:08
|tbb|ah k02:08
|tbb|mbm its more melody related on djdoboy02:08
[mbm]|tbb|: they play various stuff, unfortunately they tend to loop it after just over 24 hours02:09
* sp3000 likes how the fmradio applet is a neat ~4-5px wider than the netradio and clock applets02:10
[mbm]heh, I noticed that too02:10
[mbm]I then also noticed how the default location of the apps is a few pixels above where you can place them by dragging02:11
|tbb|sp3000: u could change it by your own02:11
sp3000|tbb|: hm?02:11
|tbb| first post of jaffas blog02:13
sp3000[mbm]: that's smooth too :)02:14
* [mbm] had to manualy edit the positions02:15
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neostriderhello my friends02:15
sp3000|tbb|: I don't follow02:15
sp3000unless you mean unpack the deb / get the source and hack02:15
|tbb|u dont have to02:16
neostriderwhats going on?02:16
|tbb|do following as root02:18
|tbb|vi /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/osso-iradio-applet.desktop02:18
[mbm]ugh; something I recently installed is having fun keeping the cpu at 100% when it should be idle02:18
|tbb|add following lines02:19
|tbb|save that, restart your device then u been able to change the size of the applet02:19
sp3000k, thanks02:20
sp3000apropos, can you get a cheapo DI-524 to do useful local dns02:20
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neostrideroohhh...that radio thing02:21
sp3000it would make more sense than asking the silly web interface every time I forget one of the local IPs :)02:21
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[mbm]ah, lamo .. I added a ~/MyDocs/root as a symlink to / because I got sick of the kiddie filemanager sandbox and now metalayer-crawler is having recursion issues02:24
* sp3000 sobs02:24
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[mbm]sp3000: multiple things in the above line could be interpreted as a bug02:25
sp3000by ? I mean #?02:25
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sp3000|tbb|: fwiw X-home-applet-resizable=X is more appropriate for these, they donät look that great Y-resized :)02:32
|tbb|do it like u want02:35
sp3000[mbm]: where's that position thing ... it's not jumping at me and poking me in the eye02:37
sp3000ah, found02:38
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sp3000curiously, the fmradio applet gui frame is not in the same place relative to the position-editing frame as the iradio's02:41
sp3000so if you set the same positions, the appearance is different :\02:42
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matt_cmmm gpodder..
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jeepershey... anyone got a good recommendation for screen protectors?03:18
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jeepersi guess no one has any recommendations... cool.03:29
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disqwow the new scratchbox is so easy to install and cool03:47
disqif you're using a debian based distro as base that is03:47
shackanmanual install isn't much harder either03:48
disqof course my old scripts to start xtightvnc etc kinda helped03:50
disqthe build environment is sitting on a vmware image in my HTPC03:50
matt_cmuch easier than back before the 770 was released.03:52
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jwb_gonehi all.  anyone know of ogg vorbis support on the n800?04:05
disqjwb_gone: they're working on it. there are a few installable players and gstreamer plugins but they all have high cpu usage problems04:06
disqso it might drain your battery a little quicker04:06
disqyou could use mplayer though, afaik it's the best low-power solution right now04:07
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jwb_gonedisq, so mplayer will do ogg then?04:09
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jtrahey, this is my second step for transparent keyboard in xterm - now I have python+cairo source to define pretty keyboards along with keycodes and render them to transparent .png with ways to automatically extract positions for keys and their key codes04:12
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disqjwb_gone: afaik yes, never tried it. though you'll have to fiddle with the command line, mplayer has no gui04:15
jwb_gonedisq, that might be ok.  i've got an xterm installed already :)04:15
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garretthey all04:33
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hubhow do I restore my sources.list after flashing?04:52
hubcan't cp and can't sudo cp04:52
hubor is there a magic root password?04:52
hubIT-OS 200604:52
disqanybody have mud builder experience here?04:53
disqhud: install ssh, then ssh to root@
hubdisq: riiiiggghhttt04:54
disqalthough to install ssh you might have to enable red pill mode, not sure04:54
hubbetter just type the whole shite04:54
disqwhy type? copy paste :)04:54
hubdisq: I can't, application blah does not allow editing directly the file04:55
hubI guess I shouldn't have flashed it....04:57
hubcan't I use the flasher to set the root mode?04:58
disqnaw, i meant copy paste the urls in app manager04:58
disqyeah you can --enable-rd-mode, then sudo gainroot works04:58
disqsorry forgot :P my inside-vmware linux doesn't work with usb so can't do that myself without booting from a live cd04:59
hubdisq: win user?04:59
disqwin user on desktop, yeah05:00
hubsorry for you05:04
disqyeah okay.05:05
Skyhusker|N800hi all05:06
Skyhusker|N800i've just released xchat for bora05:07
disqgrats :)05:07
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Skyhusker|N800see last post for sources and binary05:08
disqSkyhusker|N800: you should add it to the maemo garage as a project, and upload it to the repo etc.05:08
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Skyhusker|N800disq, i can't login05:08
disqwould be much easier to find/install that way05:08
disqand i am trying to get mud-builder to build libsqlite3(i think it's done)/sqlite3/libreadline405:10
Skyhusker|N800it seems d.m.o takes some time for sincyng user db with garage05:10
Skyhusker|N800(btw, the fm radio is awesome)05:11
disq(yeah it is)05:11
disqwould very much like a better home applet though (there's absolutely no way to satisfy me)05:11
* Skyhusker|N800 needs a SU-8W05:11
Skyhusker|N800there's a home applet05:12
Skyhusker|N800you only need the app for searching stations05:12
disqi would like a "better" one :) with seek, switch to speakers/headphones, basically all the functionality of the full blown app05:12
disqthe current one is sufficient though, it's still awesome05:13
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disqSkyhusker: vncserver maybe? :P05:14
disqmmmm.. maybe we should port over synergy2( though it would be kinda funny05:15
Skyhuskerdisq: no, i moved to the computer XD05:15
Skyhuskerlast-exit would be nice... if it won't be written in C#05:15
disqi contacted the nokia people for info on now playing information, though no useful response yet05:17
disqplanning to write a caching (offline mode etc) audioscrobbler addon05:18
Skyhuskeri've already modified the official player to support a "cache"05:18
Skyhuskernot sure of its legality, tought05:18
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disqi already have a working scrobbling code on php (yeah, i write shell scripts with php.. waste of resources :P )05:19
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Skyhuskernight all05:33
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* Tak kicks every linux genesis emulator05:51
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Takdoes sdl on the 770 support overlays?06:12
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MacSlowMDK, ping06:40
jaebirdjust installed the proprietary FM app on my N800...the Nokia headphones work better than my ipod headphones for reception06:44
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jaebirdI wonder if it is the third partition on the plug is what is used for the antenna connection?06:45
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cesmanFM app?!06:50
cesmanjaebird: got a link?06:50
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jaebirdcesman: it is in the Nokia Catalogue (3rd party software)06:51
jaebirdjust enable it if you haven't yet and refresh06:51
jaebirdcalled: fmradio06:51
jaebirdcrazy isn't it? maybe they are hiding more stuff in this little package :)06:52
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cesmanthanks refreshing right now06:53
jacqueswell the usb power controller chip is pretty interesting too06:54
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jaebirdjacques: what is that about...06:58
cesmanjaebird: I have it installed, but I don't see it on the menu06:59
cesmandoes it have to run ran from term?06:59
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jaebirdrun it from xterm06:59
jacquesjaebird, from this post:
cesmanthat is weak06:59
jacquesMy Incomplete list of part lookups:06:59
jacquesPart Label ----- Description06:59
jacquesPJMI ----- tps65030 USB-OTG Power Manager 5v 100mA06:59
jacquesTUSB6010 ------- USB-OTG Controller06:59
jaebirdunsupported is more like it :)06:59
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jaebirdjacques: I remember something about that...but my brain was busy07:00
jaebirdare we saying that it might be possible to power it in host mode after all?07:00
jaebirdtoo bad the battery is so dinky :)07:00
jacquesyou would rather have a bigger heavier handheld?07:01
jacquesor maybe one using alien battery technology...07:01
alpwhat a cute little surprise. interestingly when i pulled out the earphones and put them back in sound came out of the device speakers instead (which is what i wanted)07:03
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jaebirdjacques: USB-OTG will drain it quick :)07:08
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jaebirdseems like a little package rearranging could have provided a much bigger batter with little increase in overall volume. But that is always the tradeoff, look at the pepperpad...heh07:09
jacquesI'd rather not look at the pepperpad07:11
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jacquesIMHO they are ugly/cheesy-looking07:11
jaebirdugh isn't it07:11
Takwow - I can't believe how much gp2x development is windows-based07:13
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cesmanme thought about getting a gp2x07:16
cesmanthe perfect linux portable would be a cross between the gp2x and the n80007:16
Takthe closed-source nature of most of it is a turnoff to me07:17
Takthen you download one of the few things that has source, and it comes with a visual studio project and no makefile07:18
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jacquesTak, that would kill it for me too07:24
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jaebirdgst-launch-0.10 dsppcmsrc ! queue ! audio/x-raw-int,channels=1,rate=8000 ! audioconvert ! filesink location=test.raw07:35
jaebirdthis will record the voice from the mic07:35
jaebirdi was trying to record the audio from the fmradio app07:36
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* cesman needs to find a mobile charging solution07:37
jaebirdback to the drawing board07:37
thoughtfixjaebird: Trying to make a radio timeshifter?07:38
jaebirdDAR instead of DVR :)07:38
jaebirdthe trouble is that it renders to the dspcmsink07:39
jaebirdnot sure if fakesrc ! dsppcmsink is valid...but that is kind of what i need07:39
thoughtfixcesman: APC Mobile Power Pack + USB to N700 charger07:40
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jaebirdgood nite all07:40
cesmanthoughtfix: thanks!07:42
cesmanjaebird: thanks, rest well07:42
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thoughtfixHey look ... it's koen!07:54
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konfooanyone tried this n800 kernel with ext2/3 support and nfs?08:04
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zuhext2/3 modules are available from the initfs (/mnt/initfs) and the nfs modules from a package called rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules08:17
koen|gprs_hey thoughtfix08:17
zuhkonfoo: so you don't need a kernel change for it...08:18
koen|gprs_just as people discover the fm radio I forgot my headphones....08:18
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gpdI just found out about the FM radio!  Genius! :D08:40
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tigerthi tfix!10:06
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X-Fadetigert: Did the FM radio introduce yet another set of arrows that are not themeable?10:17
jonekI just read Jochen Eisinger's mail about BT head set progress - nice!10:17
X-Fadejonek: Did you see where to get that blob?10:18
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bmidgley_woohoo fmradio10:23
bmidgley_bring on the bonus features10:23
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jonekX-Fade: the link is on the wiki page!10:27
X-Fadejonek: Duh, I must be blind ;)10:29
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keesjI saw there are pretty much python project on garage. any python developers here?10:42
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jonekkeesj: hi, wrote a python app for the 770 lately.10:43
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keesjwas it a good/nice experiance?10:45
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konttoriIs the Q2 available for install somewhere? Would be coon to check it out10:46
keesjI think is was a video10:48
jonekkeesj: I got quickly to what I needed. and I think python on the 770 is the best way to learn about how to use all the specific APIs that maemo contains (hildon, dbus, ...))10:49
jonekROFL fm radio is so funny to listen to. such an old school lowtech in hat hightech device :-D10:50
keesjdid you happen to use gazpacho?10:51
jonekit's also funny to carry a radio receiver around and not knowing about it ;)10:51
jonekkeesj: nope10:51
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melmothkeesj: i m playing with python as well10:53
melmothi m still struggling with the desktop integration, i m completly lost with this.10:53
jonekif only internet was so widely available as fm radio *sigh*10:54
keesjand do you know where maemo-python  disc takes place?10:54
melmothi havent pay any attention :)10:54
melmothi installed  python2.5-runtime python2.5-dev10:55
keesj desktop integration being home applets and such?10:55
melmothyep, the help .desktop and services thingy10:55
melmothtry several hours, never succeed in having this working :(10:55
keesjI guess it is not possible unless you embed python10:56
melmothMh ?10:56
melmothit should work according to the tutorial10:56
melmothas long as you have the proper .desktop and .service file, and may be (i m not sure) you set the proper osso context in your app.10:56
keesj"the tutorial"10:57
melmoththis tutorial10:57
jonekX-Fade: do you try to get your head set working? if you do, it would be nice if you could try minisip again. I think it is a nice ALSA app Jochen was looking for ;-)10:58
keesjSorry for the basic questions.10:58
melmothif you were not aware of it, have a go at it :)10:58
keesjI was just amazed to see so much python projects on garage. I really dislike the syntax of python so I really need a good reason for playing with python10:59
keesjthere is so much  happening11:00
X-Fadejonek: I don't have a working bt headset atm. :(11:01
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keesjmelmoth: I was more searching for a home-applet tutorial11:06
jonekthe radio app has a button that switches between audio output via head phones and build in speakers when head phones are plugged in11:09
inzooh, #maemo-commits works again11:09
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jonekkeesj: speed is the best reason to try python11:10
jonekkeesj: (speed as in rapid prototyping)11:11
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inzpython be damned, perl ftw!-)11:12
Guardianmorning maemo11:12
jonekmorning Guardian11:13
keesjjonek: python because of the "good" maemo integration?11:13
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osfameronwho works on the perl port to N800 ?11:19
keesjosfameron: a few people have vontunteered but no .deb so far (I think)11:21
keesjI have done lua and ruby :p11:22
jonekkeesj: best integration next to C?11:23
osfameronkeesj: I believe there are some issues with cross-compiling miniperl11:23
osfamerondada was looking into porting parrot (but for windows PDS)
osfameronI think he's looking at simplifying some of those issues.11:24
osfameronI'm not much of a compile-and-build guy though11:25
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keesjosfameron: I don't think maemo wil have any issues, it's really linux11:25
osfameroncool.  I think as long as the miniperl that is first compiled during installation runs on the target system, there shouldn't be a problem11:26
keesjdo you have a download link for me?11:27
osfameronkeesj: for perl?11:28
keesjfor parrot11:28
osfameron1 sec11:29
osfameronand packages and so on are linked from
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keesjosfameron: the sdk even contains perl 5.8.4 so perl is not the problem11:29
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Guardianarmel target == ARM EABI right ?11:30
AD-N770good morning11:30
osfameronmaybe I could get up to speed on maemo by helping with that11:30
Guardianand i assumed that EABI differs from ABI, but that's not what says11:30
Guardiani'm a bit lost here11:30
Guardianthe faq says The "ARM EABI" is an informal name for the ABI for the ARM Architecture.11:31
osfameronkeesj: sure, though as you say, there's not a handy .deb for perl itself on 770/N800 is there?11:31
keesjI don't know11:32
keesjdid you look on the maemo wiki?11:33
osfamerongood plan!  /me looks11:33
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osfamerondon't look like.  some wiki articles mention perl, but usually for post processing on pc etc.11:37
keesj(compiling parrot)11:40
JaffaMorning, all11:41
Guardianmorning jaffa11:42
osfameronkeesj: yay!11:43
keesjosfameron: it does not compile out of the box, I will stop working on that then11:43
osfameronkeesj: fair enough11:43
* osfameron makes a note to bring his dev laptop to an internet connection tomorrow to update CPAN and install scratchbox11:43
osfameronthe poor thing hasn't been near a network in weeks!11:43
osfameronkeesj: out of interest, how does it fail?11:44
keesjosfameron: I can't get past the configure (perl , first I had this message make11:50
keesj ..... cc1: error: invalid option `no-accumulate-outgoing-args'11:51
Jaffaosfameron: there's are Maemo 2.x Perl packages on (i.e. for N770). But not for N80011:51
inzosfameron, doesn't 770 have perl out-of-the-box?11:51
keesjosfameron: and about parrot, there also was a .net implementation right?11:52
osfameronkeesj: er?  not that I'm aware no11:52
osfameronthere are various backends to the pugs compiler, including parrot, javascript etc.11:52
osfameronsomeone may have created a mono/.net backend to that11:52
osfameronI've stopped following P6 dev, as it's all very exciting but some of it is insane, and I don't understand any of it11:53
osfameronand I'm worrying that it might not, as promised, be ready by Christmas :-)11:53
osfameroninz:   sh: perl: not found11:54
osfameronon xterm on my n80011:54
AkatemikIs it just me, or are the scratchbox deb-packages badly made?11:56
AkatemikThey don't add the users, even when they ask about it and if I try to run sbox_adduser I get:11:57
Akatemik./sbox_adduser: line 14: /scratchbox/sbin/sbin/ No such file or directory11:57
Akatemik./sbox_adduser: line 15: /scratchbox/sbin/etc/ No such file or directory11:57
Akatemik/scratchbox/sbin/ has not been run!11:57
AkatemikThe exists where it tries to run it, but the other two files are nowhere11:57
AkatemikAh, missed the sbin that occurs two times11:59
maddlermorning all!11:59
inzosfameron, N800 doesn't have perl, 770 should have12:01
osfameroninz: ah!  didn't know, thanks12:02
jtrainz: have you seen my screenshot?
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nomis"you can't port, one is C and one is C++, it requires a total rewrite."12:03
inzjtra, yeah, noticed12:03
nomisis Shawn as clueless as this sounds?12:04
inzjtra, the buttons look a bit small imo (i'd like a thumb kbd)12:04
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inzjtra, so that thumb presses would use the keys, whereas stylus presses could be used to select text12:04
keesjjtra: nice!12:05
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jtrabutton size is not problem, it is easy to change few constants and rerun program to generate keyboard12:05
inzjtra, well, I think they shouldn't be constants, but instead depend on the window size12:05
inzjtra, so that it would use all available space always12:05
jtrawell, keyboard is drawn by python program via cairo, I don't plan to put this stuff into libvte12:06
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inzjtra, ahh, then I guess I need to make my own implementation ;)12:06
AkatemikHmm, now the sb-menu seems to be stuck. "See doc/ for documentation", but there was nothing about this command12:06
jtrabut there can more than one keyboard image12:07
keesjjtra: in most situations the cursor will be at the bottom of the screen, how do you plan on working around that?12:08
jtraI plan movable keyboard :)12:09
jtraand the keyboard is translucent anyway so it might not be big problem even when it covers cursor and edited text12:10
keesjIt's great that somebody is experimenting with this !12:11
jtraI expect that "move" button will cycle some standrad positions in first implementation, and it would allow to drag keyboard later12:11
* konttori finally found the 'perfect' combo for 400x480 videos: half fps, 512 kbps. No noticable frame skips even in very quick motion video. It's not as smooth as full fps, but enough. And looks terrific. If you have N800 standing by, check this vid: (2 MB) 12:12
jtraalso "Hide" button will minimize keyboard to just a one "Show" button12:13
jcml_konttori: Have you got a mencoder (or other) incantation handy?12:13
konttoriumm... sure.12:13
konttori./mencoder "/Users/urhokonttori/Movies/Fantastic 4 - Rise of The Silver"  -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=64 -af volnorm  -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:aspect=15/9:vbitrate=512:vpass=1 -vf crop=586:352,scale=400:480  -idx -ffourcc DIVX  -ofps 11.99 -endpos 00:00:30 -ss 30  -o "/Users/urhokonttori/Movies/770/Fantastic 4 - Rise of The Silver Surfer.avi"12:15
konttoriand then the second pass with vpass=212:15
konttoriAs you can see, I use the preview mode to check video conversions. At 18 secs there is a really good frame on video quality. the brick wall, when Silver surfer goes though empire state12:16
jcml_by "preview", do you mean using -endpos?12:17
konttorifor some reason the scaling looks wrong when not in full screen.12:18
konttoriyea, media converter has a checkbox for preview. that translates to -ss30 (seek to 30 ) and endpos 30, thus seek to 30 and get next 30 secs.12:18
konttoriUsually movies have nothing in the 30 secs.12:18
jcml_cool - ta :)12:19
Jaffakonttori: have you found settings which don't result in the "video stalling after about 10-20 minutes" bug?12:20
konttoriJaffa: I talked to ssvb yesterday. He thought it would be libxv bug.12:22
konttoriand not a codec bug.12:23
konttoriAlthough, having only the default mem card, I still haven't been able to even test any long files!!!12:23
Molagihmm does the newest mplayer work properly on n800, the others have been quite laggy12:24
konttoriI would have to go to buy one and it's so freezing cold in here atm that I don't want to go anywhere just to buy a mem chip.12:24
Molagithe video warps12:24
konttoriMolagi: I think the latest version works just fine.12:24
Molagiok gotta download it then12:24
konttoriAt least that video I just put there, works just fine in mplayer as well. (maybe even better)12:26
* konttori goes to do a kinetic session12:26
Molagihmm is the newest one 1.0pre812:28
Molagihmm damn12:29
Molagiwhere can i get the newest one12:29
Molagithat one doesnt work12:29
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Molagiyeah works great12:42
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JaffaHmm, PJMI TPS65030 USB-OTG Power Manager 5v 100mA on the N800. Intriguing.12:46
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MDKMacSlow: pong pong13:23
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maddlerJaffa: yep... veeery intriguing...13:28
X-Fademaddler: FMradio didn't magically appear in the new application catalogue. I just added it there :)13:29
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maddlerX-Fade: doh! :D13:30
maddlerediting ;)13:31
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X-FadeI added it yesterday evening. Using only my N800 ;)13:31
X-FadeNow if every application was added to the catalogue... I think there are still a lot missing.13:33
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kkitohello :)13:34
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tigert < this rocks13:36
mgedminyes it does13:37
X-FadeYeah indeed ;)13:42
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X-FadeAh I see a scaled plankton.. Laptop sized ;)13:42
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AkatemikFinally got maemo sdk running on desktop, but the user interface doesn't draw completely. There's a white box in the upper left corner13:47
JaffaAkatemik: yep, that's a feature.13:47
AkatemikI see. Just looks different from the images in the tutorial13:47
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MacSlowMDK, ehm...13:50
MacSlowMDK, I wanted to ask...13:50
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neostriderhello maemo friends13:51
MacSlowMDK, damn... totally forgot what I wanted to ask.13:52
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kkitohey do you know if thewre are a battery replacement with more mah?13:58
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Akatemikkkito: Probably not for the same form factor, unless some other device (a Nokia phone) uses exactly the same sized battery14:03
AkatemikJust 770/800 are such a small market, that there's no really incentive to make any 3rd party stuff for them14:04
MDKMacSlow: did you got in touch with daniel?14:04
mgedminI think the battery in the 770 is the same as is used in some other phones14:04
MacSlowMDK, you mean Daniel Stone?! Well, yes... he replied on my blog14:06
AkatemikHmm, does maemo include pygtk?14:06
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kkitoAkatemik, others nokia products uses the same battery14:06
MacSlowMDK, sad to hear that 3D in the N800 is held back by closed-source-driver-issues.14:06
kkito7710, 9500, E6114:07
Akatemikkkito: Then it is possible. But don't forget the news about exploding lithium batteries14:07
kkitoMacSlow, then there will not be powervr drivers for the n800 ?14:08
AkatemikI'm sure the Nokia batteries don't have an exceptionally bad energy density, so to fit more juice into same size, you have to compromise from something else14:08
AkatemikUsually, this is the structural integrity...14:08
MacSlowkkito, well there are drivers... but closes source ones...14:08
MacSlowkkito, and the ones that are there are only for 2.4 kernels14:08
X-FadeHmm those tango icons look really nice on N800 :)
MacSlowkkito, so basically this means the PowerVR MBX on the N800 is dead unused silicon *sniff*14:09
kkitoMacSlow, Are you talkin about powervr mbx? or power VR (kyro graphics cards)14:09
MacSlowX-Fade, niiice... bitmaps or svgs?14:10
MacSlowkkito, PowerVR MBX is the 3D-core that's inside the TI OMAP242014:10
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kkitoMacSlow, yes i know, but at the powervr webpage only says that they are not supporting the old powervr cards14:10
AkatemikAlso, how to get python2.4 for the sdk, rootstrap only has 2.3? Normally I could use apt, but are there binaries for the sdk-enviroment (i386)?14:11
kkitothen they dont want to realize a linux 2.6 driver for that cards14:11
X-FadeMacSlow: I think bitmaps. I don't thing there is a svg backend in maemo..14:11
kkitobut powervr it is not powervr mbx14:11
MacSlowkkito, I think it is...
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suihkulokkithe MBX is a powersaving-optimized embedded version, so likely it's even slower than the voodoo-age powervr14:12
X-FadeDidn't the pepperpad have the same powervr?14:17
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|tbb|what do i have to do if i would like to watch wmv files on the n800 without converting it before !14:19
|tbb|mplayer still hangs if i try to open a wmv file14:20
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Jaffa|tbb|: what does the "Report" button show the log says?14:23
konttoritbb: is it wmv7,8,9 or 10?14:24
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|tbb|file says Microsoft ASF14:25
|tbb|Selected video codec: [ffwmv1] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg M$ WMV1/WMV7)14:25
partakatemik: there's only python 2.5 at
neostriderkkito: time for my sanitity check - are you saying the N800 has 3D aceleration?!14:26
kkitoneostrider, the n800 has a powervr inside but there are no drivers for it and there are no free specs :(14:27
neostriderWOW! =-O14:27
neostriderbut there is no such a thing for the 770, right?14:27
kkitoand it has a IVA proccessor too14:27
kulve770 has omap1, n800 has omap2(420)14:27
kulveTI's pages show nicely the components14:28
kkitobut actually only montavista linux has the driver14:29
lardmanIs it a binary blob?14:29
X-Fadelardman: binary blob + kernel 2.4 :(14:29
lardmanX-Fade: :(14:30
Akatemikpart: I noticed that the repos have an i386 pool too. Dumb me, smart them.14:30
AkatemikNow the question is how to disable 2.3 without breaking everything...14:31
VeggenHmmf. imgtec (the powervr vendor) has only email for "licensing enquiries", "web site issues", "investor relations", "employment" and "press enquiries".14:32
VeggenNothing about technical support.14:32
Veggenthought I'd send them an email and ask them.14:32
VeggenNever hurt anyone.14:33
kulveVeggen: I mailed them already14:33
suihkulokkiVeggen: I guess you start by mailing "licensing issues" ...14:33
kulveare actively discussing this issue with Nokia and 3rd parties14:33
jonnylambdoes anyone know what wireless chip is used in the n800? is it still the conexant used in the 770?14:34
kulveVeggen: the important part: "[we] are actively discussing this issue with Nokia and 3rd parties to find a solution."14:34
kulveVeggen: but it was PR guy talking..14:34
Veggenkulve: Oh.14:34
jonnylambkulve: thank you!14:36
konttoriscalable hildon sounds wonderfull!14:38
konttoriMight really be a good alternative to many other devices as well. I'd wholeheartedly recommed it to senior citizen use / children use14:39
neostrider(its me or nokia is testing the power of its hacker community?)14:39
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AkatemikCould someone try this in scratchbox chroot with grengale rootstrap: cd /usr; cd lib; cd python2.414:47
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* mgedmin has scirrocco14:48
AkatemikI'm getting this, and I don't think that's normal:
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mgedminI'm pretty sure your .bashrc or something has $PROMPT_COMMAND that invokes a python script14:52
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AkatemikThere's no .bashrc in the chroot14:54
AkatemikAlthough there is one in etc, let's see14:54
aCiDBaSeAkatemik: this is a scratchbox problem...14:55
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aCiDBaSeAkatemik: this problem occurs when you enter in a directory with .py files with the same name of the sb-conf modules...14:56
AkatemikaCiDBaSe: I'll ask from there too14:56
AkatemikI see14:56
aCiDBaSeAkatemik: because they put the directory "." in PYTHONPATH14:56
AkatemikMy PYTHONPATH has only /scratchbox/devkits/debian/lib/site-python:14:56
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aCiDBaSeAkatemik: but the sb-conf's PYTHONPATH includes "."...14:57
AkatemikHmm, I see14:58
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kkitoif someday we have powervr and usb host support .... :P15:22
ferulowii remote is bluetooth :P15:25
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MoRpHeUzany clue about how to change a video's bitstream ? n800's hantro4100 codec is not playing a video reporting "unsupported bitstream"15:49
keesjferulo: I don't know what you where talking about but cwiid is compiled for the n800 and n700(I played xmoto with the wii remote)15:50
kkitokeesj, :D then i must to try it with quake2!15:53
JaffaDoom with the wiimote would be cool. Being left-handed, the current controls - although impressive - are impractical.15:54
MoRpHeUzJaffa: yeah, it's a gstreamer's plugin...15:55
partjaffa: doom (or any fps) on a wii is doable, but can't see it very well controllable with the wiimote on a n80015:56
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suihkulokkiuse motion detection on camera for controlling!15:57
Jaffapart: I was assuming not using the wavy motion sensor bit :)15:57
X-FadeN800 Eyetoy :)15:57
keesjkkito: I you just want to use the joystick buttons it is strait forward the c-code uses uninpu15:59
keesjthe mouse like action are a bit more tricy yes, and for full control you need a ir-bar16:00
keesjkkito: what framerates did you get?16:00
keesjkkito: I think you are bluffing and that it was a simple movie , it just looked to fast to be true16:02
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keesjBut I hope not16:02
keesjI am going to see for myself :P16:07
k-sguys, how do I add a new app to
etrunkok-s: upload it to maemo extras repository16:08
k-sI followed the steps, but everything under "Page" is disabled16:08
k-setrunko: it's possible to upload non-free software?16:09
sKaBoyk-s, select a section first16:09
etrunkok-s: sure it is16:09
k-sI need to check with marcelo16:09
X-Fadek-s: You have to be in a category.16:09
etrunkomediastreamer is there16:09
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k-slast, but not least: is there any way to have a repo to depend on another?16:11
k-swe need some packages available on, but if we go into /extras, then we need those16:12
k-sright now we have an internal repository, we have copies of packages we need16:12
k-snew .install files say you can have multiple repos, separated by ";", but it doesn't work16:12
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etrunkok-s: the .install won't work16:13
keesjk-s: the .install format allows to define multiple reposutories16:13
keesjetrunko: why not?16:13
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etrunkokeesj: don't know16:13
k-skeesj: you mean adding multiple "repo" lines16:13
etrunkoalthough it allows to define more than 1 repository, it just doesn't work16:14
Jaffaetrunko: there's is not yet a link between and (AFAIK)16:14
etrunkoJaffa: oh, so who is the responsible for updating it?16:14
Jaffaetrunko: AIUI, the author is responsible for: porting the software, packaging it to the Maemo requirements, fighting with the extras upload *and* keeping the record in up-to-date.16:15
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JaffaAt least an extras upload gives you a free .install file.16:15
etrunkoJaffa: so how do you update your record in downloads site?16:16
Jaffaetrunko: n16:17
k-sJaffa: is there any permission schema?16:17
Jaffaetrunko: , rather.16:17
k-sJaffa: I followed this manual16:17
k-sbut no "/applications", I'm using "/downloads"16:18
* Jaffa dunnos, if it doesn't work, contact Ferenc/raise a bug16:18
JaffaI've not got the extras upload bit working yet.16:19
konttoriSo, does this: mean that Gnuite can use Nokias maps in maemo mapper?16:20
konttoriSo, will 3rd parties be allowed to use the maps database? Even if just for nokia devices16:21
robtaylorwow, thats pretty cool16:21
JaffaI suppose it must get the maps off the Internet, so - theoretically - Maemo Mapper could use them if Smart2Go were never released for Maemo16:21
nomiskonttori: I somehow doubt this.16:21
Jaffakonttori: Maemo Mapper's support for different map providers is a horrible hack, though.16:22
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keesj+maemo mapper is not vector based16:22
robtaylorwhere do you geta smart2go serial key, then?16:23
konttoriJaffa: But if MM could legally use some of them, it could have the support built in rather nicely16:23
konttorirobtaylor: maybe from your s60 phone? Dunno. Being academic still at this point16:24
Jaffakonttori: indeed. If *I* started touching Maemo Mapper's code, personally I'd not know where to stop. e.g. introduce some nice 1980s procedural programming concepts in there, like splitting out the source from one big C file.16:24
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bedboilol, the news for today (at least for me) is the fm radio16:24
bedboiwhat about the usb chip?16:24
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Jaffakonttori: will be interesting to see what we can reverse engineer, URL-wise once it's released.16:24
konttoriJaffa: I haven't had a look at the code, but I guess that's the way it often goes when you start it has a hack project. Like gnuite did. I would assume he'll make a code cleanup at some point.16:25
konttorikeesj: maemo mapper could probably still draw vectors pretty easily. It does draw some things already.16:26
suihkulokkiJaffa: the press blurb promises smart2go support for "linux devices" in future.16:26
Jaffakonttori: indeed, trouble is as hack projects go on longer, they get more complex etc; making the refactoring harder.16:27
nomisWhen I looked at MMs code the very first thing I noted is that I'd clean it up a lot before adding/removing functionality  :)16:27
Jaffasuihkulokki: indeed, and "all Nokia Nseries multimedia computers"16:27
nomisMaemo Mapper really is cool, but it is a single gross hack  :)16:27
nomisI guess I should just start committing patche.s16:28
ajturnerOpenMoKo is looking at MaemoMapper for their phones16:28
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konttoriI think you should talk to gnuite about a refactoring session. I think that he should do the initial sort of major refactoring and people could then help in refactoring smaller segments.16:28
JaffaThe main thing I'd like to see in Maemo Mapper is much more flexible URL support. e.g. variable substitutions rather than cryptic, service-specific, positional parameters.16:29
konttoriMain thing I'd like to see is official support by google maps.16:29
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ajturnergood luck w/ that - it's not their data16:30
nomiskonttori: what did you smoke and can I have something of it?  ;)16:30
konttoriI think they might allow it to use gmaps data if asked nicely16:30
Jaffa"Ask nicely"?16:30
ajturnerknttori, it's not their data, and I believe caching it is breaking their TOS16:30
konttoriajturner, they cache it in google earth as well16:30
konttoriso, caching cannot be an issue16:30
ajturnertheir client16:31
konttoriajturner, I would think google does have pretty good license for the data16:31
konttoriand that they could extend it to google endorsed opensource projects.16:32
konttoriMaybe it would require name change and some nice google icons here and there. But could happen. Maybe with adsense support? Who knows.16:33
ajturnerkonttori - don't hold your breath16:34
ajturnerfor one thing, you can't use GMaps for real time guidance16:34
konttoriWell, I don't ... I don't even use the app, but still...16:34
ajturneranyways, they don't need to be involved, it isn't clear what that would really offer16:35
Juhazit's not a matter of endorsement, but access... if it's open, it's free-for-all, no matter how well endorsed and well behaving the app...16:35
ajturnerJuhaz - well correct, apps like MM may or may not be against the TOS, but as long as they're not grossly infringing, probably won't be an issue16:35
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ajturnerany word on a Win/Mac os x flasher for 3.0?16:38
littlefaeHello there Nokia 770 fans! :)16:38
littlefaeAnd hi to you n800 fans too16:38
nomisgoogle was pretty fast at pulling the plug for that globe-navigation thingie that used the google earth data.16:38
littlefaeYou can still get that thing I beliebe nomis.16:39
ajturnernomis - what was that?16:39
Juhazpersonally I'm pretty surprised they HAVEN'T stamped on maemo-mapper, it's probably more usable and widely used than the earth clone was...16:39
maddlerJaffa: is planet sleeping again?16:39
ajturnerJuhaz - Maemo Mapper isn't exclusively GMaps, it's a generic app, so you can use your own licensed/free data16:40
ajturner*users* have on their own 'happened' to point to google/yahoo url's :)16:40
Juhazwell, there is that16:40
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ajturnerJuhaz - so Google/Yahoo/NavTeq/TeleAtlas can't *really* have anything against MaemoMapper, it just may watch for people calling huge tilesets to cache and throttle them (digitally or physically ;)16:41
littlefaePhysical throttling sounds painful16:42
ajturnerI think that's part of the small print ;)16:43
ajturnerwhat does smart2go use?16:43
Juhazsame thing, navteq and teleatlas16:43
Juhazit's not as if there are that many alternatives16:43
ajturnerI mean, are they hsipping hte maps for free?16:44
Juhazso it would seem, guess we'll see on saturday16:44
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keesjgoogle maps is quite safe with there data because you download images and now the source data16:48
keesjyou will need so much disk space to make it usable if you want to cache it16:48
Jaffaajturner: ...which is why I'm interested in more flexible URI formats. It's similar to GPL "derivative work" discussions, if it realistically only works with one (or two) providers, there's no abstraction; whereas if it were possible to use variable substitution to use, say,'s tiles (OS grid refs IIRC) then that'd give Maemo Mapper more protection16:49
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Juhaztrying to apply logic is pointless when it comes to content producers protecting their "intellectual property", it doesn't matter how safe it is in reality if navteq and teleatlas believe it's not16:50
littlefaeI have a DVD here chock full of compressed data, maps, topography and overhead shots, and that was just for my own personal city..  I'd hate to see how much data there was for the whole of google maps16:51
keesj"N800 rediscover the radio"16:52
ajturnerlittlefae - where'd you get that?16:52
littlefaeUsed to work for Bristol City Council, got it from the GIS team across the corridor16:52
alpwould be nice if the alarm feature could use the radio16:53
ajturnerlittlefae - nice, not shareable though, eh?16:53
littlefaeThe only downside is that the 3D map was incomplete when I got the disk, though it might be finished now, would have to check back with them16:53
littlefae'Fraid not, Not supposed to have a copy myself, to be honest16:54
Jaffalittlefae: cool. Do most councils have a GIS team?16:54
littlefaeOurs did, part of the planning department16:54
littlefaeThey do site surveys and what not, to keep maps updated, inform builders of structurally unsound areas, places of high subsidence, that sort of thing, so I would have to guess that every council had one16:55
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dwdHiya folks. Anone got Ogg playing working?17:06
dwd(That's specifically ogg vorbis audio stuff)17:07
pyhimysAs I understand It works quite well on 77017:07
pyhimysAnd shoud work even better on the n800 as it has fpu(?)17:08
pyhimysBut as for now there is no implementation for the n800 yet17:09
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dwdYup. Got some libs, thrown them in suitable places (I think), kicked media player's gconf schemas, defined mime types, and Media player still sits and looks blank at me.17:09
littlefaeI'd try it, but it means installing Mplayer, or so I heard.  Last time I installed that, all my MIME types got fubared17:12
dwdlittlefae: Well, I have Tremor installed as a gstreamer thingy. I've got the schema file done. Really just a bit confused.17:15
littlefaeI'm fearful of installing anything that lists bugs at present.  I've got a stable device, and would like it to remain so for a while.17:16
Takheh, if you find any software without bugs, let me know ;-)17:17
littlefaeThats why I was careful to say 'anything that /lists/ bugs' ;)17:24
tigertTak: hello.c?17:24
littlefaeTheres always one.. :p17:24
tigertFM radio is so 1980's :)17:24
Takpff, hello.c isn't even localized17:25
tigertbut I wonder what bands the chip can do?17:25
tigerta scanner would be a different level of interestingness17:25
littlefaeFM radio, what, in the N800? :o17:25
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lardmanpyhimys: ogg seems to work from the command line17:26
tigertlittlefae: yes, get it from
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Jaffatigert: any other surprises in store?17:28
lardmandwd: I seem to remember there was the same issue for the 770 gstreamer tremor decoder, there was a thread on internettablettalk about this17:28
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dwdJaffa: If you turn the webcam so it points down, it pours tea out.17:29
* Tak hacks the driver to change it to green tea17:30
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bergieis there some nice way to tell the maemo browser to go to specific URL via command line or Python?17:30
Jaffadwd: Oh, I knew that one. You poke /sys/teamaker/type with "c0ffee" and you get different drinks.17:32
partbergie: dbus, I think17:32
Jaffabergie: yes, using dbus17:32
bergieexample? I'm new to this stuff...17:32
* littlefae catched de bus. ;)17:32
voldoes anyone know if someones working on n800 mplayer optimization?17:33
kkitovol, ssvb17:34
volits almost to the point where i can drop my videos onto it without reencoding and have them work flawlessly, theres still a little bit of stutter and frame dropping in heavy action scenes17:34
bergieI guess related to this...
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volkkito: thanks17:35
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littlefaeI've got a wonderful little script for transcoding video into MP4 now, works much nicer than the java app I found the other day17:39
littlefaeWell by 'script' I mean that, I set QT7's settings for MP4 exporting. :p17:40
JaffaAh, by script I thought you meant like
littlefaeBut, its let me put full motion video at 25fps @ 512kbps, mono 64kbps audio and wide-screen. :)17:41
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littlefaeAnd I didn't need Mplayer to view it. :D17:41
Takhow much better is the quality with two-pass?17:41
littlefaeSuspicious to be honest17:41
littlefaeI've not really noticed much difference, the only difference I did notice, was when I moved from Mpeg-4 to 'Mpeg-4 Improved'17:41
JaffaTak: I do it for my DVD rips at home, and it's relatively noticable. I don't do it when transcoding to the 770/N800 - mainly because I'm rushing17:41
* Tak nods17:42
TakI was surprised at the quality I could get with one-pass at about 1MB/min17:42
MoRpHeUzlittlefae: can you provide the settings you used ?17:42
littlefaeThere is the other catch, of course, that I've only transcoded from Youtube quality video.17:42
littlefaeOh, sure, gimme a sec.17:43
MoRpHeUzI'm trying to stream a video to n800 using vlc but I can play it just using mplayer...17:43
MoRpHeUzgstreamer does not want to help me on this task =)17:43
nelsonHehe, did anybody else notice that they've purchased an "unlocked" N800?17:43
mgedminwhat does that mean?17:43
volnot tied to any carrier17:44
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littlefaeOne note on the streaming though17:44
littlefaeI've not made it work, except the time I managed to get helix to work briefly17:44
Taklol - I should hope that a device with no phone hardware wouldn't be tied to a carrier17:45
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MoRpHeUzlittlefae: helix just streams in real (audio/video) ?17:45
mgedminhey, I recently bought a laptop hard drive not tied to any carrier17:45
mgedminand I didn't notice!17:45
keesjTak: I have yet to find a simple option to disable gtalk or start gizmo by default17:46
Jaffamgedmin: tsk, you'll have paid a premium for that17:46
Taktbh, I haven't really made use of the voip stuff17:46
littlefaeVideo Format: MPEG-4 Improved - Bit Rate 512kbps Optimised for Download,Image size Custom: 240x144 (Crop enabled), Framerate:30, Automatic Keyframing,AAC-LC Music, Mono, 64kbps, 44.1kHz17:47
MoRpHeUzlittlefae: thanks!17:47
littlefaeThose settings also permit video up to 320x240, though you get some odd glitches with the default player I'll note.17:47
MoRpHeUzok! thanks!17:48
littlefaeYou can view the thing, but for some reason, the player will come up with an 'unable to play video file' error if you try to view anything else, you need to close the player first to play a new file17:48
littlefaeBut only, it seems, at 320x240..17:48
littlefaeWhat I want, is a decent RSS reader, one that respects podcasts, the default one seems to go berserk with some of them, disallowing links to the files17:49
MoRpHeUzlittlefae: does helix stream content ? or just encodes ? (the free version)17:50
pyhimysI'd like to have a location aware calendar17:50
littlefaeDon't recall, I used an external app to stream, but it needed a Helix lib to do so, was the one, and only, time helix worked17:50
osfamerona decent RSS reader!17:50
* osfameron laughs insanely17:50
Takshouldn't be a big deal to port liferea17:50
MoRpHeUzlittlefae: which app you used to stream ?17:51
MoRpHeUzvlc ?17:51
Takalthough, google reader?17:51
littlefaeMight have been, don't recall17:51
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pyhimysTak: google reader isn't very good for offline reading17:51
parttak: not a replacement for a rss reader17:51
Takok, so back to liferea ;-()17:52
littlefaeNah, sorry, don't remember, and the app isn't in my apps folder no more. :/17:52
suihkulokkipart: has maemo-dm been updated for sbox 1.0 ?17:52
garretthey all17:52
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partsuihkulokki: I think so17:55
littlefaeMight try the Darwin Streaming Server, see if that one does MPEG-4 Streaming17:55
littlefaeI'll have a play around with this server, and give you some stellar settings, if you like.17:58
littlefaeBefore I do, though, does the built-in player support streaming video? :o17:59
littlefaeI can't remember18:00
MoRpHeUzlittlefae: I couldnt make the built-in player play the videos that I'm streaming through vlc18:00
littlefaeWill prove an interesting challenge to me then18:01
littlefaeI mean, isn't .RM a movie format?  The manual here suggests it supports streaming video.18:01
suihkulokkipart: the documentation is bollocks then18:02
littlefaeWouldn't mind H.264 support on my lil baby..18:02
cxmachey, anyone tried out the fmradio app yet?18:02
dwdlittlefae: You have it.18:03
dwdlittlefae: H.264 == MP4 == AVC.18:03
littlefaeNot precisely18:03
X-Fadecxmac: No nobody :)18:03
littlefaeSee I've done H.264 videos, they don't play18:03
dwdlittlefae: Well. MPEG4 has two video codecs, one of which is AVC.18:03
littlefaeSimilar settings to the MP4 one, so it can't truly be MP4. :S18:03
cxmacX-fade: seriously?18:04
dwdlittlefae: And AVC *is* H.264, the ITU and MPEG groups coordinate the standard.18:04
littlefaeLink me to this player app, so I can peeky at it.18:04
X-Fadecxmac: I has been the talk of this channel, 1 day ago ;)18:04
X-Fadecxmac: So you are a little late..18:04
cxmacI'm confused because I can't find the file in my filesystem.  I've been looking around a little with xterm.18:04
X-Fadecxmac: You can add the applet on your home view..18:05
partsuihkulokki: undoubtedly. file a bug? :)18:05
littlefaedwd: I won't say it doesn't support it then, however it is my experience that all videos I've encoded with H.264, has failed18:05 play18:05
X-Fadecxmac: it is an applet, just like the internet radio.18:05
suihkulokkipart: to the blackhole?18:05
dwdlittlefae: Hmmm... I thought it did it. Although now I think about it, I've not actually tried it.18:05
MoRpHeUzI could just play streaming videos in RM (with built-in player) and other formats with mplayer18:06
partsuihkulokki: or go talk to the people responsible for it, whichever works for you18:06
cxmacx-fade: yeah, I know.  I can't find it though - i.e. it's not in the Select Applets dialog on the home screen, or accessible from the shell (it's not in the PATH)18:06
littlefaeI have a vast number of codecs at my fingertips for transcoding files, and only MPEG-4 has worked, even RealMedia didn't seem to work, despite being within the device limitations. :S18:06
X-Fadecxmac: Did you install the .deb?18:07
tzzI tried FM radio this morning, reception was *awful*18:07
littlefaeAt least, this is with the supplied player, not played with Mplayer, since it destroyed my MIME types18:07
littlefaetzz: Did you use headphones?18:07
Jaffatzz: It's not too bad for me (depending on location)18:07
cxmacx-fade: no, that's why I can't find it, I'm sure... but I was under the impression it had been found lurking around on someone's n800, not on an external repositroy.18:07
X-Fadecxmac: Go there ;)18:08
Jaffacxmac: you've actually installed it, I assume?18:08
MoRpHeUzlittlefae: I could play mp4 files locally using the built-in player...but for streaming it's just impossible.....18:08
cxmachah, no.  I thought it was hidden in the os somewhere18:09
cxmacright right.18:09
MoRpHeUzI'm working the whole week trying to find a way to play my streams using gstreammer...18:09
tzzlittlefae: yes of course, you can't use it without headphones18:09
littlefaeSo I noticed, MoRpHeUz.. :)18:09
cxmacin the filesystem somewhere - how was it found?18:09
littlefaeHow come the n800 hasn't got this fm radio thing built in? :p18:09
tzzJaffa: my car FM reception is perfect in those locations I tested, so it's not general reception, but the N800 itself18:09
MoRpHeUzlittlefae: using gstreamer all I could get was "unsupported bitstream" from hantro4100 decoder...18:10
littlefaeI mean presumably it has the hardware, or it wouldn't work, so surely it makes sense to add the FM receiver with the rest of IT 200718:10
littlefaeMoRpHeUz, I'll play around with MPEG-4 streams, see if I can't find a good trade-off18:11
tzzlittlefae: many things in the N800 are underused18:11
partlittlefae: it seems to have been added as a packaged add-on18:11
Jaffatzz: cars have a much better aerial generally18:11
littlefaeAs for reception, I'd guess it'd be similar to that of the Nokia Mobile phones.18:11
tzzJaffa: I know, but we're talking perfect reception vs. extremely noisy18:11
Jaffalittlefae: best guess would be it wasn't quite finished when they wanted to get the N800 released for CES18:11
Jaffatzz: hmm.18:11
cxmacx-fade: how was the fmradio app found?18:12
tzzJaffa: I don't mind it terribly, just saying in case someone else has bad reception.18:12
littlefaeI'll play around with the N800 when I get mine this month18:13
partcxmac: it was added to the nokia repositories by nokia, then someone tried their application manager and noticed that it's offering new stuff18:13
littlefaeThats assuming I get an N800 that isn't locked up. :p18:13
cxmacoh.  I see.  that's not as exciting.18:13
JaffaEarlier in the day/the day before, there was discussion about the FM radio component of the Bluetooth chip on maemo-developers.18:14
littlefaeWow, that server installed easily. :D18:16
cxmacJaffa: do you think that sparked the apps release?18:16
X-Fadecxmac: They waited until somebody started talking about it ;)18:16
X-Fadelurkers ;)18:17
cxmachaha.  So now the strategy should be to spam the developer lists will all sorts of conceptually/technically interesting discussions to see what else will be released?18:17
JaffaNow everyone's talking about the USB power chip, hopefully tomorrow we'll see some cool stuff18:18
X-FadeJaffa: Now, that would be cool :)18:18
littlefaeUSB power chip?o.o18:19
Jaffalittlefae: indeed, the USB power chip.18:19
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cxmacDo any of you use a bluetooth keyboard?  what's your preferred interface when doing lots of typing, i.e. in the terminal or in a chat?18:19
dballesterhi to all18:19
JaffaPJMI TPS65030 USB-OTG Power Manager 5V 100mA18:20
Jaffacxmac: I've got a Bluetooth keyboard, but really only use it when I know I'll be writing lots of stuff, otherwise it's usually the thumbboard or the popup keyboard.18:20
littlefaeCan you pair a BT keyboard to an Internet Tablet, say a 770?18:20
littlefaeHELLLL yes.. :)18:20
littlefaeAny recommendations on which one to buy?18:21
Jaffalittlefae: Think Outside Stowaway works well18:21
glassssif i was buying one and budget wasnt an issue i'd get stowaway sierra18:21
JaffaExtra row would be handy18:22
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dballestera friend of mine is evaluating maemo to massive deploy in is company ( for sales force automation ) he is asking me where are the n800 repos and if the software for n700 ( abiword, gnumeric... ) as been migrated to n80018:22
dballesterhe says that has included the repos at, but he wanna test some 'office' apps, Do you know if there has been migrated for N800 ?18:23
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littlefaeDo I need any special software to pair such a keyboard to a 770?18:24
glassssyeah a plugin18:26
littlefaeStarting to sound complicated. :p  Is there a package that I can buy that does it all, like, from Nokia?18:27
nomislittlefae: the n800 pairs bluetooth HID keyboards off the shelf.18:27
tigertwell, you should take the keyboard out of the shelf first, hard to type there18:28
* tigert ducks18:28
littlefaeYes but I don't own one.  And the one I'm getting is a loaner for some tests.18:28
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Jaffalittlefae: it's literally a case of buying BT keyboard (Nokia SU-8W, Think Outside ... etc.), install configuration plugin (one click, done), click "Pair".18:31
littlefaeAhh, fair enough. :)18:31
JaffaThe N800 has a built-in version of the same plugin, but is otherwise identical18:31
littlefaeI like the looks of the SU-8W. :)18:31
ssvblittlefea: how did you manage to destroy mime types with mplayer (mplayer installation and mime types are completely unrelated)? can you provide any details such as mplayer version, ither software that was installed on your tablet, etc.?18:31
littlefaessvb: No, not really, happened such a long time ago, that it got fixed, and forgotten.  Only think I can be sure of, was everything was fine til Mplayer was on there then removed. :/18:32
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ssvblittlefae: did you try to install something else at the same time? I strongly suspect that such problem never existed in mplayer, it does not try to change mime types or any other configuration files in the system18:35
littlefaeNot to my recollection18:35
littlefaeEither way, since you've no other similar incident of note, and I don't use it, can't really be an issue now, can it?18:36
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tzzlittlefae: did you install evince by any chance?18:36
littlefaeNope, never found a purpose for it18:36
tzzlittlefae: evince for the N800 updated mime.types, that's why I mention it18:37
littlefaeAhh, nah, like I said, never used it18:37
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ssvblittlefae: we only got one strange report about package manager information getting completely messed up, but I18:38
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ssvbI'm not sure if it is directly related to mplayer18:38
littlefaeI don't know, I know that up til Mplayer was installed, I had no problems, after I removed it, I had to re-flash my handheld18:39
littlefaeI'm sure re-flashing was extreme, but I didn't know how to repair MIME databases or my repository info, at the time18:40
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ssvbhere is the report:
littlefaeNow, its possible there was some other big involved, it may not have been, I don't remember, though I'll admit, the whole affair put me off using it, and I don't really need to anyway, since what it does, works fine as it it.18:40
kkitolittlefae, perhaps the problem it is with kmplayer and not with mplayer?18:40
tzzssvb: that was an impressive list you posted to the maemo list, I hope you have the time to deal with all those items eventually.  How close (if ever) in the future do you think is playing of 800x480 content on the N800?18:41
littlefaeDon't believe so kkito, never even heard of kmplayer, for one.  Anyway, its a dead issue, I don't recall enough information, and it isn't a problem to me, either.18:42
ssvblittlefae: but you know, you may sometimes encounter various bugs that may lead to crashes, filesystem corruption or anything else that will force you to reflash18:42
tzzthose who use the sierra BT keyboard: is it good?  I saw it in the store, and it seems too small for regular use.18:42
ssvblittlefae: and the last application that was used before things got nasty is not always the one at fault18:43
TakI thought the sierra was larger than most bt kbs18:43
ssvblittlefae: shit happens sometimes18:43
Takat least, the keys are larger, and it has an extra row of them18:43
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littlefaeI'm am acutely aware that computers on the whole have risks of bugs, not just the 770, but also that, if you stick with what is working, usually it continues working, within the confines of what is there.18:43
tzztak: I have the Apple BT keyboard.  It's a full-size keyboard, and typing on it is very easy.  The sierra is tiny and has that weird 5-row layout.18:44
littlefaeThe only thing I am certain of, is that Mplayer was the application that was removed from my system, and that in doing so, my handheld didn't work any more.  All the other apps that were on it, are on it now, so my suspicion still points to Mplayer18:45
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littlefaeWell, the only exception to that, is the lila theme, which I'd updated on the old handheld, but haven't updated on this one. :p18:45
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ssvblittlefae: you may add mplayer, and it may work fine this time :)18:45
etrunkodballester: gnumeric works on both 770 and n800 without any need of change18:46
etrunkodballester: don't know about abiword18:46
ssvblittlefae: if it does not, we will have at least one confirmed problem with it :)18:46
dballesterthanks for the tip, etrunko18:46
littlefaeTrue, but I am paranoid, and don't like the idea of risking such things, til I can first find a way to backup the respository lists in an easy fashion, and then restore them as easily as I got hacked off with it last time18:46
etrunkodballester: anyway, its in my plans to keep the latest version of the apps ported to both devices18:47
tzzetrunko: I noticed something weird with evince on the N800, the toolbar doesn't go away in full screen or regular mode when you select the menu option for it.  I don't know if it's a known bug.18:47
littlefaeI refuse to manually type those in again, on that on-screen keyboard18:47
etrunkotzz: yes it is18:47
etrunkoit's like a missing feature18:47
tzzetrunko: right, thanks.18:48
littlefaeDoes Abiword support MS Word Imports yet? :)18:48
etrunkolittlefae: yup18:48
X-Fadelittlefae: Just clicking some .install on adds them too.18:48
littlefaeHELL yes!18:48
* littlefae looks for it18:48
ssvblittlefae: mplayer on 770 has quite a big userbase, with quite a low number of serious problems reported (actually only 2 so far including your report)18:48
dballesteretrunko, I think that could be a good success for N800, they are really interested in use N800 for is Sales Force Automation ( about 50 users )18:49
littlefaeGood for the userbase. :)  Seriously though, I've no need to install or run it, my handheld is fine with what is on there at present. :)18:49
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etrunkodballester: cool... that would be also a big test team for free18:50
littlefaeOnly reason Mplayer went on there was for testing that Java converter app out, and it got made redundant, when my own encoding methods worked better18:50
dballesterbut they need a good support evaluating the device and is capabilities18:51
dballesterthis is the 80% of the success ;)18:51
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ssvblittlefae: well, if you are satisfied with image quality and framerate for your converted video, that's good for you18:52
littlefaeI've got wide-screen video, at 25fps, at a quality high enough to make out the registry on the USS defiant, what more could I ask for? :D18:53
Jaffalittlefae: Which Defiant? The TOS one had a much simpler registration ;-)18:54
littlefaeOh hush up.. :p18:54
littlefaeI hate this new Garage page. -_-18:55
littlefaeCan someone link me to abiword for IT 2006?.. I can't find it18:55
keesjlittlefae, the old wiki pages are still up18:56
littlefaeQuestion is, for how long? :/18:56
littlefaeI don't like the new SF styled site, in the slightest, the older one had links to port pages clearly listed, and other links, instead of that 'Installer Missing' image on the new site18:57
hublittlefae: there is a repository for that18:57
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hublittlefae: hold on18:57
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TakI like the new wiki much better18:57
kkitossvb, is your mplayer memcpy implementation faster than the asm arm memcpy from netbsd?18:57
Takfor me, the old one was unnavigable18:57
hublittlefae: mistral user18:58
ssvbkkito: don't know, you can try to benchmark it18:58
hublittlefae: add that to the application manager sources18:58
littlefaeCool, direct from abisource18:58
ssvbkkito: it was specifically tuned for Nokia 770 (arm926), I'm not even sure if it is good for n800 as I did not try it yet18:59
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littlefaeIs there a way to disable that 'This is not from Nokia' warning, when I install something? >_<19:00
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kkitossvb, ah ok :)19:00
hublittlefae: no.19:01
littlefaeAhhhh, Abiword, I missed you! :D19:01
hublittlefae: it is still rough19:02
keesj 'This is not from Nokia': I know , I just compiled the damm code19:02
huband fortunately you are no on N80019:02
* Tak nods @ keesj 19:02
hubkeesj: Lawyers19:02
Takit gets annoying when you're reinstalling something 20x to test package tweaks19:02
littlefaeRight, next q.  Can I install TrueType fonts, and more importantly, use them in things like, say, Abiword or Notes? :D19:03
mgedminoh, yes, the multitude of app installer dialogs is just annoying19:04
mgedminespecially when stupid apps ask me to choose a menu folder19:04
littlefaePresumably, though, you could install via the command line, to prevent annoyances? ;)19:04
keesjmgedmin, I prefer the "application installation failed"19:05
ssvbtzz: don't know about 800x480 playback possibility on n800, it depends on many factors such as bitrate, codec settings and the video itself (scenes with lots of motion and panning are heavier for cpu)19:05
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littlefaeThe Chip in the n800 allegedly has a video processor block, least it does on the chip diagram I saw19:05
mgedminkeesj: yes, that one needs a 'show the log' button19:05
keesjgimme the juicy details19:06
littlefaeOoh, Nokia has competition. :o19:07
ssvbtzz: we can try to gradually optimize performance and see later what we get in the end :)19:07
Jaffalittlefae: yes, dump the ttfs in /home/user/.fonts:
Jaffalittlefae: ?19:07
littlefaeThanks Jaffa19:08
tzzssvb: basically DVD-quality video, I wonder if that will ever be watchable on the N800 from the VOB container19:08
Jaffalittlefae: ah, old news ;-)19:08
ssvblittlefae: this video processor block also needs some support in software, so not everything is so easy :-/19:08
tzzI know the bitrate of that is insane19:08
littlefaessvb: Of that I have no doubt, I just saw a diagram, it said 'video processing unit' and also had a '3d processing' unit which made me go 'Oooh'19:09
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ssvblittlefae: Nokia 770 also has support for java in hardware, but unfortunately nobody was able to make any use of it yet19:10
littlefaeBah, terrible. :(19:11
littlefaei'd have LOVED to play some J2SE games on it19:11
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ssvbtzz: I did some benchmarks for for DVD video decoding with mplayer on Nokia 770, it was about 2.5x slower than needed19:12
littlefaeDVD decoding? o.O19:13
ssvbtzz: and ARM core in N800 is only about 30% faster, so it does not cover the gap19:13
littlefaeHow'd you decode a DVD, without a DVD drive?19:13
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cxmacHey, does anyone run a UPnP mediaserver on OS X here?19:13
littlefaeI did, briefly19:13
littlefaeWas horrendous19:13
ssvblittlefae: that was VOB container of course copied from DVD :)19:13
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littlefaeI used TwonyMedia's, cxmac19:14
ssvbtzz: only some miracle such as a working IVA may probably help19:14
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littlefaessvb: the chip in the n800 I heard isn't just 30% faster, but also different, so isn't it feasible that it might be faster still, like, say, comparing G5 to a G4?19:15
cxmaclittlefae: nice!  I'm checking it out.  Someone is already sharing material on our network, and now I want to.19:16
littlefaeNot to mention the 'potential' of its 'video processor', assuming it could be harnessed to assist19:16
tzzssvb: so you need to cut the bitrate 50% or so.  Can the N800 play 800x480 video, though?  Is the bus for screen updates fast enough?19:16
littlefaecxmac: It's reasonable at its job, but for nokia 770, well, you need everything pre-customised for it. :p19:16
Takis there a 'quick' way to scale, say, an sdl surface using Xv ?19:17
tzzssvb: it sounds like it can definitely play AVIs ripped from DVD, which is great.19:17
littlefaeI was hoping Orb would've been usable as a local area network server.19:17
cxmaclittlefae: do you know how many hops on the network the UPnP packets will go?  I ask because I'm a little familiar with zeroconf/rendevoux and I know it's limited to everything behind a single router19:17
ssvbTak: I had a quick look at SDL scaler, it can be optimized for ARM19:18
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Takssvb: even better!19:18
tzzis UPnP UDP or TCP?  If UDP, is it broadcast to the subnet or multicast?19:18
ssvbTak: actually it uses JIT for x86 now, but does not have any optimizations for ARM19:18
TakI *really* need to learn more about lowlevel arm stuff19:19
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littlefaeI am not sure I understand to be honest, though I believe it won't hop outside its own subnet, though I don't know.19:19
ssvbTak: scaler from mplayer can be relatively easily converted into a scaler with 16-bit rgb support19:20
Takseems kind of like overkill just to double scale for an emulator, though19:20
tzzcxmac: it depends on the answers to my questions what will happen by default, but you can tell a router to retransmit UDP broadcasts to a subnet into another subnet, for example, so with the right router config you can send the UPnP packets anywhere19:20
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littlefaeWhat he said. :)19:21
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* tzz knows that UDP retransmission is not done by the router :)19:21
littlefaeSeriously though, I'm not sure, since the only thing I know for sure, was my PC laptop couldn't receive it, til I'd matched subnets around, but then, I couldn't access anything til I'd done that19:21
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tzztechnically the router doesn't do UDP, but of course these days bridges and routers and switches are the same thing19:22
ssvbTak: if I don't forget about that, I'll try to make some optimizations for rgb scaling19:22
* Tak sets up an ssvb rgb scaling autoping19:23
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Takseriously, that would be fantastic19:23
ssvbTak: :)19:23
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* littlefae is now called God.19:25
tzzlittlefae: you mean "/nick God"19:25
ssvbTak: it is not really difficult to make, I'll try to do something about this on the coming weekend19:25
Takvery nice19:26
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* Tak is colorspace/overlay/optimization -ignorant19:26
kkitossvb, but what part of sdl do you want to hack? Because i think that for scale a surface with SDL you need sdl-gfx and i dont know if the maemo sdl package has it19:27
keesjssvb, I would also buy that scaler :)19:27
Takyou can already scale surfaces with the default sdl19:27
Takit's just slow19:27
Takhence fceu and xmame running as fast (or faster) on the 770 as the n80019:28
littlefaeThats a point..19:29
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littlefaeAnyone got 'No Gravity' to run on their 770? :)19:29
TakI'd love the dsp example/tutorial that's being requested on the devlist too, to offload the sound decoding/emulation19:30
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ssvbkeesj: that's 'SDL_SoftStretch' function from SDL19:31
ssvbkeesj: it is optimized on x86, but uses generic C code for ARM, so I guess it can be very slow now19:33
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littlefaeRight, anyone know what I do about the datafiles, or where to get them for No Gravity? :(  This garage site is crummy and won't help. :(19:35
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ssvbTak: do you need arbitrary scaling or just 2x? 2x scaler can be faster19:38
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TakI personally just need 2x19:38
keesjidem here19:39
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keesjjust the pixel doubling actually19:39
littlefaePoo, so noone knows. :/19:39
kkitoanyways nokia must to implement the doubling pixel feature to the n800....19:39
TakI'm missing the pixel doubling19:39
suihkulokkidoes XV extension allow scaling RGB planes?19:40
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keesjBut I mostly miss the knowledge I don't have about all this stuff19:40
AkatemikArh, how can I remove the dropbear-client, when the post installation segfaults?19:41
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waiteAnyone running vnc-gui? I am missing a lib: /lib/ any idea what pakage?19:43
ssvbsuihkulokki: if n800 hardware supports 2x scaling for rgb, it would be better to implement pixel doubling feature for 770 compatibility19:43
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Takkeesj: heh, you and me both19:44
ssvbwe may try to vote for this issue report:
ssvbif it may change anything of course19:45
TakI remember it being a given when the n800 came out19:46
Tak"Sorry, it doesn't support the pixel doubling hack anymore"19:46
Tak"But you get Xv, which is just as good"19:46
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AkatemikWell, I "solved" my problem by removing the post inst script. Works, but...19:49
tigertwaite, you need to add the maemo bora repository i think19:51
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wumpusssvb: you could look at the source of this blizzard lcd driver module and see if it has any hint of pixel doubling19:56
wumpusI looked at it a while ago but don't remember19:56
* Tak votes/comments the bug19:59
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keesj3 clicks one hidden checkbox selection and an ugly interface , how can you expect something like that to be a pleasure to work20:04
keesj The changes to your votes have been saved. how about "thank you" or telling about what change was saved20:05
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Takkeesj:  ;-)20:08
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keesjTak, I wil not be able to enter a bug withing one hour :p20:08
* konttori voted for #99620:11
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bedboiis ad hoc mode working well with n800?20:26
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robtaylorbedboi: it used to work on 770, so i guess so20:29
bedboii think it is a problem of my ipw220020:32
bedboiipw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting.20:32
bedboilot of this in my /var/log/messages20:32
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Takat least it's not dividing by zero ;-)20:33
robtaylorbedboi: scary20:33
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bedboi9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 7999ms20:34
bedboirtt min/avg/max/mdev = 4.049/240.426/654.449/207.790 ms20:34
bedboicrappy, average rtt of 240 ms20:35
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* maddlah GOTTA GET PIZZA!21:03
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tzzI got a 2 GB SD card for $15 yesterday at Microcenter, if anyone is looking...21:22
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waitetzz, sweet21:23
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waitetzz, what manuf?21:25
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Takhmm, I can't find anything bigger than 1G for $1521:26
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tzzwaite: unbranded (Microcenter brand)21:27
waitecheapest I see is 2GB for 29.99. MUst be instore only21:27
tzzwaite: they work fine, I loaded one with music this morning21:27
tzzwaite: yes, in-store only.  No rebates.  I went to the Boston (Cambridge) Microcenter.21:28
Takah - I'm stuck with compusa for instore21:28
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kkiton800 has dsp gateway installed....21:28
waitewell I might need to take a ride to Cambridge tomorrow at lunch21:28
kkitothen it is simple to develop with it21:28
tzzI'd get them for people, but shipping will be a pain21:28
waiteare you intown?21:29
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tzzI work in Kendall Square, 5 minutes from the Microcenter by car21:29
waiteNice. I am out near 95/rt3 interchange it is not a loing trip but just a pain21:30
waitemaybe 30 mins at lunchtime21:30
tzzwaite: yes, I see you are from a irobot address :)21:30
waiteahhh I've been ratted ou21:30
tzzjust go on the weekend, weekday traffic in boston sucks21:31
waiteGod then I am even farther out. I live 50 miles due West out Route 2.21:31
roopejust tried n800 with maemo mapper and nokia bluetooth gps. it's quite nice. :)21:32
nomissomehow I cannot control the master volume with alsas amixer.21:32
tzzheh OK, at least you can go to Wachusett quickly :)  yeah, if you take I-90, it's a quick drive, I hope you get one or more of the 2GB SD cards.21:32
waiteI think Ill take a trip in are they near the registers?21:33
waiteI tend to get distracted by the clearance carts there anyway  :)21:33
waiteThanks for the heads up21:34
tzzthe one I got was right at the register, in a little bin together with $15 2GB USB drives and such21:34
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Takhmm - I didn't know newegg had rss feeds21:37
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tkohas anyone figured if there's any place to file bugs about the fmradio applet? :)21:40
X-FadeTableteer bugs shouldn't go through maemo bugzilla?21:41
X-FadeI hate that the applet is aligned 2 pixels to the left. ;)21:42
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X-FadeIt doesn't align with all other applets. I can't push it far enough to the right for example.21:42 and tableteer are different worlds21:43
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ferulotko: maybe some bugzilla :)21:47
tkoI only have two bugs and one enhancement .. if I had the code I'd probably fix them in an hour or so, but oh well...21:49
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* nomis found another statusbar bug.21:53
kkitosomebody try to program the dsp?21:54
nomis  <--- look at the bluetooth applet.21:54
mgedminnokia LOVES triangles :)21:58
nomismgedmin: well the triangle is there to open up an "extended" applet area if there are too much applets in there.21:58
Taklol mgedmin21:58
nomismgedmin: but that sometimes seems to go wrong. (I have exactly 7 applets in the bar)21:59
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tkojobi's done it again :-P22:01
Tak8G sdhc cards for $41 after rebate:
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tzzI'm not touching SDHC until official support is here22:03
tzzITOS 2008 or whatever, I can wait22:03
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* Tak shrugs22:05
nomistko: what do you mean?22:07
tkojust making fun of jobi who's been maintaining maemo_af_desktop22:08
nomisah ok.  :)22:08
jeepersTak: i thought the n800 only supported 2gb cards...22:09
nomistko: did you know that the sound control panel can no longer control the volume if the sound applet is disabled?  :)22:09
Takafaik the stock kernel supports up to 4gb regular sd (from my gleanings from ITT)22:09
Takbut people have created sdhc-enabled kernels22:10
nomis... when the sound status bar applet is diabled22:10
tko*yawn* I should finish a presentation for tomorrow morning but the coffee I drank just made me more sleepy22:10
tkomaybe I should try warm milk next?22:10
Taktko: too much bourbon in the coffee22:10
tkonomis, I saw that somewhere22:10
nomistko: I filed a bug about it some days ago.22:10
tkomust've been that one then22:11
* nomis will now file a bug about the arrow thingie.22:11
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* Tak pokes around in the new faq22:17
tkonew faq?22:18
tkoWhere's the faq page that has all the questions and answers inline? :)22:21
* Tak shrugs22:21
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* Tak submits that as a faq22:21
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tkoespecially with oneliner answers that would be much more convenient22:22
arjanyone got the latest media streamer 1.2 running on n770?22:22
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keesjteam blogs is a great idea
Taktko: poke ferenc...22:42
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Takkeesj: ooo, I agree22:43
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kenneI have  aproblem23:00
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kenneandrunku, hey?23:01
kennewhen i start the webbrowser it exists with Internal error, and afterward I can barely start any apps... i can start other apps before23:01
kennemight be a dbus connection prob... anyone who can help me?23:02
kenneetrunku, you have experience with this?23:03
TakI had this happen once23:04
Taka restart "fixed" it23:04
kennei tried that23:05
kenneseveral times23:05
Takwith the charger unplugged?23:05
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kennemakes a difference=?23:08
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Takyeah, if it's plugged in, it doesn't do a "real" restart23:10
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kenneahai treid again23:12
kenneno difference23:12
kenneit is sad to have to flash it23:15
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Takdid you recently install or uninstall any apps?23:15
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maddlersbaturzio: ciao! :)23:24
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koenI bet you get a good reception with that23:32
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nomis  <-- now finally can control the volume as well as the brightness.23:33
* nomis should check in the code to garage and start proper versioning.23:34
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tzznomis, taht sdnous lufesu23:35
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nomissaves space in the status bar  :)23:37
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disqi need interface recommendations for maemopad+23:45
disqthrowing back and forth ideas, couldn't really decide23:46
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nomisdisq: what is your problem?23:50
disqi want a way to quickly toggle the left treeview. i tried sticking a full-height button to the splitter23:51
disqbut doesn't look good. maybe i should add a small button to the leftmost side of the toolbar instead? dunno23:51
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nomisdisq: you could try detecting thumb presses in that area.23:53
nomis(non-discoverable though)23:53
Takcan you detect clicks on the splitter?23:53
disqi will also try to add a real-sketch mode where the pressure on the digitizer will change (or rather, tone) the ink color23:53
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disqdidn't try, but if i did, then people won't be able to adjust it rather easily23:54
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nomisdisq: you could also use the lower region (toolbar-height) for a button in the treeview.23:55
disqthere's also the part where i want to show both text and sketches on the same "control"23:55
nomisOr make the toolbar span the whole screen and put a toggle button in there.23:55
disqthe button stuck to the splitter idea was not bad, but when i tried it the button was just too big23:56
kkitodisq, is it possible to add more pages to a sketc note?23:57
sp3000toggle button at the left end of the toolbar gets my vote23:57
* sp3000 hasn't actually used the app before though :)23:57
disqnot right now, but will do. you won't be able to expand the sketch size (800x480) but will be able to add pages, hopefully.23:57
kkitodisq, :)23:58
disqand also there's the thing where the sketches still aren't smooth enough, they rather have corners if you try too hard(=fast)23:59
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