| MDK | http://kerneltrap.org/node/7238 has a good article | 00:01 |
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| MDK | "Governments might pass laws, possibly with the stated goal of reducing copyright infringement, requiring that hardware manufacturers keep control over the software that runs on the boxes they sell." | 00:01 |
| MDK | is especially interesting | 00:01 |
| suihkulokki | hub: I know, that way they follow letter of GPL but not it's spirit. | 00:02 |
| MDK | something I can easily imagine happening | 00:02 |
| hub | suihkulokki: do you think they have a spirit? | 00:02 |
| hub | suihkulokki: they only have lawyers and shareholders | 00:02 |
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| hub | suihkulokki: everything else is a side effect | 00:02 |
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| |tbb| | guerby: i figured out how u can re-enable the dpad without removing the battery | 00:16 |
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| kender | hi | 00:17 |
| guerby | |tbb|, could you add that to bugzilla? | 00:17 |
| |tbb| | im not registered | 00:17 |
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| guerby | guerby, I can do it for u if u want | 00:17 |
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| kender | I'm compiling a program with maemo sdk, everything goes right, make, there is the binnary file, I run it with qemu and only some steps works. I move it to the N800, and it says "Permission denied". ideas? | 00:18 |
| Tak | chmod +x ? | 00:18 |
| kender | I'm new on developing things | 00:18 |
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| maddler | hey all! | 00:18 |
| xan | kender, move it away from the memory card | 00:18 |
| kender | xan, thanks | 00:19 |
| Tak | ah, card | 00:19 |
| |tbb| | oh i think i dont have to be registered is it so? | 00:19 |
| kaatis | i think memory card has the x bit disabled in mount options | 00:19 |
| |tbb| | hey maddler, still in love? :) | 00:19 |
| guerby | |tbb|, I don't know if u need to register to comment | 00:19 |
| Tak | kaatis: probably | 00:20 |
| maddler | more than ever! | 00:20 |
| maddler | ghgh | 00:20 |
| maddler | 770 is good.. but 800 is more! | 00:20 |
| Tak | (30 more) | 00:20 |
| maddler | Tak: right! | 00:20 |
| kender | no /dev/audio found, any ln to another dev file? | 00:23 |
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| c0ffee | >200,000 lines diff between the nici libjingle and the stock libjingle :/ | 00:27 |
| c0ffee | now that's a mess | 00:28 |
| jcml_ | How do I enable "soft" poweroff? I'm not seeing it as an option in the config UI anywhere | 00:28 |
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| |tbb| | I just figured out how u can re-enable the hardware keys without pulling the battery out. | 00:30 |
| |tbb| | Just go in soft poweroff mode again, by using the touchscreen and then before you push the power button to turn the device on again, hold any hardware button pressed till the device came up, i suggest the cancel button. | 00:31 |
| |tbb| | guerby here its how it works, write it to the bugzilla | 00:31 |
| |tbb| | jcml look at the bug and u see how it goes | 00:32 |
| |tbb| | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=941 | 00:32 |
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| guerby | |tbb|, how can I go in soft poweroff with the keyboard locked? | 00:32 |
| |tbb| | using touchscreen | 00:33 |
| guerby | |tbb|, touchscreen is inactive when keyboard locked (it just displays press power button) | 00:33 |
| |tbb| | ah k, i was thinking we talking about soft poweroff mode | 00:34 |
| jcml_ | hmmm. Having read that, do I *want* soft PO enabled? | 00:34 |
| guerby | |tbb| if you follow my instructions you'll have to remove the battery (be careful) | 00:35 |
| guerby | |tbb|, I don't know if Nokia Q&A looked at it yet (I got the problem without soft poweroff in the first place, soft poweroff is just to reproduce it more easily)* | 00:35 |
| kender | mm.. | 00:36 |
| kender | in the SDK, the audio works great, but in the N800, it says, /dev/audio no found | 00:36 |
| Tak | are you using oss? | 00:36 |
| kender | no idea, it is a porting | 00:37 |
| Tak | probably it does then | 00:37 |
| kender | it is a simple program written in C | 00:37 |
| kender | #include <linux/soundcard.h> | 00:38 |
| Tak | you'll probably need to convert it to an audio driver/method supported by the n800 | 00:38 |
| Tak | that's oss | 00:38 |
| kender | I see | 00:38 |
| kender | any howto do that? | 00:38 |
| Tak | I haven't seen one if there is | 00:38 |
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| Tak | hell, I don't even know what kinds of audio output are supported on n800 other than gstreamer | 00:38 |
| |tbb| | guerby: k may it just work only for the soft power mode bug, here it helps if u follow my instructions | 00:39 |
| kender | what is using mplayer? | 00:39 |
| Tak | gstreamer, I'm sure | 00:39 |
| kender | and, the porting to gstreammer, is very hard? | 00:39 |
| Tak | check out the gstreamer driver for fceu ( http://garage.maemo.org/projects/xmame ) | 00:40 |
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| kender | ok | 00:41 |
| |tbb| | after all i will replace locking mode with soft poweroff which is quit more usefoll | 00:41 |
| Tak | src/drivers/sexyal/drivers/gst.c | 00:42 |
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| kender | Tak, thanks, I'll look for more info about gstreamer | 00:46 |
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| kender | Tak, the program support libao, that may help? | 00:49 |
| * Tak shrugs | 00:49 | |
| Tak | like I said, I have no idea what kind of audio the n800 supports | 00:49 |
| kender | ok | 00:50 |
| jaebird | Tak: it was about 10.00 for the N800 with discount | 00:50 |
| Tak | eh? the tax? | 00:51 |
| kender | Tak, Audio | 00:51 |
| kender | Alsa compiled in, OMAP24xx EAC driver, mixer support, PCM should be handled by DSP. | 00:51 |
| kender | that helps? | 00:51 |
| Tak | is that on the device or in scratchbox, though? | 00:51 |
| kender | on the device | 00:51 |
| jaebird | yeah...the must of calc on the discounted price for me | 00:51 |
| kender | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg07045.html | 00:51 |
| Tak | if that was true, you shouldn't be having any sound problems now | 00:52 |
| jaebird | my total bill was 135 including shipping (which was free) | 00:52 |
| Tak | jaebird: nice | 00:52 |
| Tak | dallas, houston, or austin? ;-) | 00:52 |
| jaebird | dallas | 00:52 |
| jaebird | metro | 00:52 |
| * Tak nods | 00:52 | |
| jaebird | I have not received any responses to my offer via email, so I guess there isn't much demand | 00:53 |
| Tak | forwarding the devices ooc? | 00:53 |
| jaebird | I think it would be a nice gesture for us in the Have nations to help out the have nots | 00:53 |
| * Tak nods | 00:53 | |
| hap | anyone has informations about nstx on the N800 ? | 00:54 |
| jaebird | bye | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | hap, on the 770 the debian package did 'just work' | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | hap, should be the same on 800 | 00:57 |
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| kender | well, Tak , now with the libao enabled, it says, Unable to find any usable output device | 01:03 |
| kender | and, libao, seems to support a lot | 01:03 |
| kender | http://xiph.org/ao/ | 01:03 |
| Tak | I wonder if alsa's oss emulation is enabled in the stock kernel | 01:03 |
| hap | c0ffee: ah, good to hear :) | 01:03 |
| kender | Tak, hehe | 01:04 |
| hap | c0ffee: have you found the binary package somewhere, or you compiled it yourself? | 01:04 |
| Tak | dinner - bbl | 01:04 |
| c0ffee | compiled myself | 01:04 |
| kender | Tak, osso-dsp-modules-rx-34 - osso-dsp-modules-rx-34 from Scratchbox | 01:05 |
| kender | osso-dsp-modules-rx-34-maemo - This can be used only in maemo SDK. | 01:05 |
| hap | c0ffee: ah sux, i need to configure my vmware and all for compilation, i guess :) | 01:08 |
| guerby | anyone installed busybox 3:1.1.3-3sdk2 ? it's proposed in check for updates but I'm scared :) | 01:09 |
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| c0ffee | hap, i can make you a package tommorow | 01:11 |
| c0ffee | now i'm off | 01:11 |
| hap | c0ffee: ok great | 01:11 |
| kender | guerby, I updated the busybox and my n800 break... | 01:11 |
| hap | no hurry | 01:11 |
| kender | I don't know it that was the version | 01:11 |
| guerby | kender, wooops. Is there a way to see from what repo an update comes from? | 01:12 |
| guerby | anyone going at FOSDEM 2007 ? | 01:12 |
| hap | i may go myself | 01:12 |
| kender | from.... maemo repo or maemo hackers, I don't know | 01:12 |
| hap | will nokia be there? | 01:12 |
| kender | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: /usr/src/kernel-source-rx-34] > make menuconfig | 01:12 |
| kender | HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep | 01:12 |
| kender | make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 | 01:12 |
| kender | make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 | 01:12 |
| kender | what? | 01:12 |
| guerby | hap, they were last year, and they're sponsor this year but I see no maemo track in the program | 01:13 |
| hap | guerby: ok good. | 01:14 |
| guerby | hap, toujours sur Paris ? | 01:14 |
| hap | tjrs | 01:14 |
| hap | (enfin presentement) | 01:14 |
| guerby | hap, ca fait un moment que je suis pas alle au first jeudi | 01:15 |
| hap | j y vais plus | 01:15 |
| lle2 | kender: try make menuconfig HOSTCC=host-gcc | 01:15 |
| lle2 | kender: or do it outside sbox | 01:15 |
| kender | lle2, 100% cpu for some seconds and then, the same error | 01:16 |
| kender | /scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc: Too many open files | 01:16 |
| lle2 | strange. easiest is to do it outside. | 01:17 |
| kender | and if I want to compile a module or something? | 01:17 |
| lle2 | I'd do all kernel related things outside | 01:18 |
| lle2 | the build system knows how to cross-compile, sbox just makes things more complicated and error prone | 01:19 |
| kender | hehe ok | 01:19 |
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| |tbb| | what r those files under /etc ? pointercal-lph8923.default | 01:26 |
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| trenka | |tbb|: self destruction | 01:29 |
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| kender | trenka, ¿? | 01:30 |
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| kender | /bin/sh: arm-linux-gcc: not found --> and now lle2 ? | 01:35 |
| kender | hehe | 01:35 |
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| SyntaxNinja | greetings! In the application catalog, what does it mean when an application (like gaim) is listed, but is not actually available for download (in any obvious way) | 02:36 |
| SyntaxNinja | and I dn't see it via application manager or apt-get | 02:36 |
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| SyntaxNinja | I'm looking at this version of the application catalog: http://test.maemo.org/applications | 02:38 |
| SyntaxNinja | gotta go. | 02:42 |
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| mitcheloc | Does anyone know how to leech the url to a radio stream off a website? There is this one I'd like to play through the n800 | 03:40 |
| Veggen | mitchelog: click on it? | 03:41 |
| Veggen | it worked for me. | 03:41 |
| mitcheloc | Veggen: i tried through opera on the n800, didn't work, preferably i can use the built in media player | 03:42 |
| mitcheloc | They use a flash applet to play it through the website | 03:42 |
| Veggen | oh, you'll need to find out if it actually has a direct URL for the sound, etc... | 03:42 |
| mitcheloc | Veggen: this is the url to the feed i want -- http://tinyurl.com/yv6kg6 (tinyized) | 03:43 |
| konfoo | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2955 to rip it, maybe? | 03:44 |
| Markov | I'm looking at the maemo tutorial, and it is telling me to dl a .tar.bz file from https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/maemo_testing ; am i nuts or is there no such tar.gz | 03:44 |
| Markov | ?? | 03:44 |
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| mitcheloc | konfoo: i'm looking at that now, thanks | 03:46 |
| konfoo | oops i deleted the url | 03:46 |
| konfoo | let me fix that :) | 03:46 |
| konfoo | ok | 03:47 |
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| mitcheloc | downloading stream ripper, not sure how it'll help me find the stream url though | 03:49 |
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| mitcheloc | this is the html source from the flash player page -- http://pastebin.ca/329808 they have a bunch of variables defined at the top in plain english, i'm not sure which one the stream would be (if it's even in there) | 03:56 |
| konfoo | it embeds windows media player? | 04:00 |
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| mitcheloc | hmm, it seems that they just changed that, it used to be flash, at least it can be muted now (unlike before) | 04:01 |
| mitcheloc | if wmplayer is embedded then for sure there is a stream i can get right? | 04:01 |
| konfoo | yeah | 04:02 |
| konfoo | mms:// whatever | 04:02 |
| mitcheloc | maybe it's hidden in their js files | 04:02 |
| mitcheloc | the JS file is here for windows media player -- http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/solon/includes/WMP.js?v=1.2 | 04:04 |
| konfoo | that has no vars in it | 04:05 |
| konfoo | http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com//solon/media/tuner/interact/Interact.aspx?aff=fmtalki&bType=IE | 04:05 |
| mitcheloc | there is a line in there for the embed tag that says "SRC='this.URL'" | 04:05 |
| mitcheloc | thats for the media ploayer, is it possible it's playing that actual URL that you pasted ^^ | 04:05 |
| konfoo | whats the master url for this page | 04:06 |
| mitcheloc | i mean this one -- http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/solon/media/tuner/Tuner?aff=fmtalki&useSame=true&zip=-1&age=4&email_address=&listening_from=Home&hiring_resp=&company_size=&gender=1&income=0&type=IE | 04:06 |
| mitcheloc | that is ^ | 04:06 |
| konfoo | haha &income | 04:06 |
| konfoo | nice | 04:06 |
| mitcheloc | using "Open URL" in windows media player doesn't work with that address ^^ | 04:06 |
| konfoo | http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/solon/media/tuner/Tuner?aff=fmtalki&useSame=true | 04:06 |
| mitcheloc | neither are working, i tried with and without "mms://" | 04:07 |
| konfoo | why dont you just run a sniffer | 04:08 |
| mitcheloc | they have this "WindowsMediaPlayer.prototype.SetURL = function(url)" in the js file | 04:08 |
| mitcheloc | it didn't cross my mind, i'm loading ethereal right now | 04:09 |
| konfoo | this thing has the worst ui ever | 04:09 |
| mitcheloc | it has actually improved from the last version heh | 04:10 |
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| mitcheloc | i have a packet dump now, looking through it, nothing is very clear | 04:14 |
| mitcheloc | there are a few requests for ".wma" files, but they are for advertisements | 04:14 |
| mitcheloc | not sure how to tell which packets are coming from the player | 04:15 |
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| Merculis | heya all | 04:21 |
| mitcheloc | this looks close? - mms://bdcast-infinity-klsx-fm.wm.11nwd.net/bdcast_infinity_klsx-fm ? | 04:21 |
| mitcheloc | they have the ".wm." in there | 04:21 |
| Merculis | I'm a maemo newb | 04:21 |
| Merculis | .wm? | 04:21 |
| Merculis | not .wma? | 04:22 |
| Merculis | doesn't that url need an extension? | 04:22 |
| mitcheloc | Merculis: no i don't see wma in there, i'm trying to find the stream url to an online radio station | 04:23 |
| mitcheloc | so i can stream to the n800 :) | 04:23 |
| Merculis | which station? | 04:23 |
| Merculis | klsx fm | 04:24 |
| mitcheloc | yep | 04:24 |
| mitcheloc | Merculis: http://tinyurl.com/yv6kg6 | 04:25 |
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| Merculis | try this | 04:31 |
| Merculis | http://bdcast-infinity-klsx-fm.wm.llnwd.net/bdcast_infinity_klsx-fm/bdcast_infinity_klsx-fm.asf | 04:31 |
| Merculis | http://bdcast-infinity-klsx-fm.wm.llnwd.net/bdcast_infinity_klsx-fm.asf | 04:37 |
| Merculis | h m | 04:38 |
| konfoo | http://68.142.79.3:80/bdcast_infinity_klsx-fm.asf | 04:40 |
| Merculis | weird | 04:41 |
| Merculis | anyhow | 04:41 |
| Merculis | can you install vnc server on the maemo so you can access the GUI via another PC? | 04:42 |
| Merculis | is the GUI a variant of gnome or kde? | 04:42 |
| SyntaxNinja | I'm able to log into my n800 via ssh, but the desktop or tableteer and menus are not running for some reason | 04:43 |
| desrt | closer to gnome | 04:43 |
| SyntaxNinja | the UI is fine; I an run applicaions via ssh, | 04:43 |
| Merculis | hmm | 04:43 |
| SyntaxNinja | is there something anyone knows in particular I need to restart to get my interface back? | 04:43 |
| Merculis | but I would like to access the UI via something like VNC | 04:43 |
| desrt | everything in the 770/800 platform that nokia didn't write for themselves is part of gnome | 04:43 |
| Merculis | I wish this thing had a keyboard | 04:44 |
| Merculis | I guess I am confused as to the purpose of a 770 | 04:45 |
| konfoo | 'internet tablet' | 04:46 |
| konfoo | does anyone have gizmo | 04:47 |
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| mitcheloc | Merculis/konfoo: sorry, i walked away for a bit, i'm back, neither of those three urls work for me? | 04:54 |
| konfoo | they appear to have some sort of cookie/session management attached, it would seem | 04:54 |
| mitcheloc | so it'd take some programming to get/set the cookies, argh! | 04:55 |
| konfoo | just looking at their crappy code was annoying enough for me | 04:56 |
| Merculis | doesn't a USB connection to a laptop charge the 770? | 04:58 |
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| mitcheloc | the code looks well written to me =/ | 04:58 |
| mitcheloc | i must have poor standards heh\ | 04:58 |
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| neostrider | hello fellows | 05:02 |
| neostrider | anybody home? | 05:03 |
| Merculis | yes | 05:05 |
| Merculis | I am | 05:05 |
| Merculis | but I am a newbie | 05:05 |
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| Merculis | so you mean to tell me that you can't charge the 770 via USB? | 05:07 |
| neostrider | me? | 05:10 |
| neostrider | im not a power user | 05:10 |
| neostrider | im just a developer | 05:11 |
| neostrider | (3rd party developer) | 05:11 |
| neostrider | im still fighting with scratchbox | 05:11 |
| neostrider | and the autotools | 05:11 |
| neostrider | to create a package of my game engine | 05:11 |
| Merculis | I doubt I would develop for the 770/800 | 05:12 |
| Merculis | the audience is too limited | 05:12 |
| neostrider | the great thing about maemo is that we are building the plataform | 05:13 |
| Merculis | yeah, but for who? | 05:13 |
| neostrider | (ok...im not one of the developers of maemo,but) we are guiding it | 05:13 |
| Merculis | the iPhone is gonna blow everyone out of the water | 05:13 |
| neostrider | for ourselves | 05:13 |
| neostrider | lets it blow | 05:13 |
| Merculis | fair enough | 05:13 |
| neostrider | I more like maeamo | 05:14 |
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| Merculis | well then you are obviously not in Maemo for a business | 05:14 |
| neostrider | maemo doesnt say what is best for mysef | 05:14 |
| neostrider | no | 05:14 |
| neostrider | I know that it has some potential | 05:14 |
| Merculis | so did Newton | 05:14 |
| Merculis | lol | 05:14 |
| neostrider | I just want to make a good gaming plataform out of it | 05:14 |
| neostrider | im working for it for about 2 years | 05:15 |
| neostrider | since it was announced | 05:15 |
| Merculis | how is that possible, when it can't even stream YouTube? | 05:15 |
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| neostrider | i dont know | 05:16 |
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| neostrider | I dont use it in a daily basis | 05:16 |
| neostrider | Im just developing a generic game engine for it | 05:16 |
| Merculis | I hope you succeed and I am sure many people will be happy | 05:16 |
| neostrider | if you are not satisfied with it...let the guys know it | 05:16 |
| Merculis | I just don't see the point | 05:16 |
| Merculis | that's all | 05:17 |
| neostrider | maybe they can fix it | 05:17 |
| neostrider | I see Maemo as a new thing...maybe not ready for the great masses yet | 05:17 |
| neostrider | but something with a great potential | 05:17 |
| neostrider | see | 05:17 |
| Merculis | it will never be | 05:17 |
| neostrider | ok | 05:17 |
| Merculis | because Debian is not friendly at all | 05:17 |
| SyntaxNinja | does anyone have a suggestion for how to get the main UI back once it has apparently crashed? what I would call the "window manager" in linux? | 05:17 |
| Merculis | most people can't even operate Windows XP | 05:17 |
| SyntaxNinja | I can ssh to the n800 | 05:18 |
| neostrider | I just want to satisfy the people who choose Maemo | 05:18 |
| Merculis | SyntaxNinja: X WIndows? | 05:18 |
| neostrider | ninja...maemo's WM is matchbox | 05:18 |
| neostrider | try calling it manually | 05:18 |
| neostrider | i dont know | 05:18 |
| SyntaxNinja | Merculis: no, the window manager. X or whatever is running fine. I can start applications, but I don't have the m enu system | 05:19 |
| Veggen | Merculis: see, most people doesn't need to know it runs Linux. | 05:19 |
| Merculis | well they do to some extent | 05:19 |
| neostrider | Veggen...indeed. It only appeared to me as linux when I browse to file:/// | 05:19 |
| neostrider | no Merculis...I dont see a small clue of it | 05:20 |
| Veggen | ...so by extension, you think it's also totally useless to try to develop any Linux into a good desktop? | 05:20 |
| neostrider | ok...just a GPL license in the "about" section of the help | 05:20 |
| Merculis | when you intend to do anything beyond using stable/released applications, you have to delve into the linux | 05:21 |
| Veggen | Merculis: Why would an ordinary user do that? | 05:21 |
| neostrider | Merculis...have you ever tried developing for Series 60 phones? not easy too | 05:21 |
| Merculis | maybe an ordinary user wants to install some application to remotely manage the device? | 05:21 |
| neostrider | I took me about 6 months to get a moving square on a N-Gage screen | 05:22 |
| Merculis | because a touchscreen keyboard is cumbersome? | 05:22 |
| neostrider | unavoidable for a developer to get into the system core | 05:22 |
| Veggen | Merculis: bluetooth keyboard. | 05:22 |
| neostrider | maybe the input still not adequate | 05:22 |
| neostrider | but as a open comunity, we will evolve the plataform | 05:22 |
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| Merculis | I originally said remotely manage, I didn't say to supplement keystrokes | 05:23 |
| Merculis | i.e. SSH | 05:23 |
| Veggen | If you want that, you're not an ordinary clueless user anymore. | 05:24 |
| neostrider | why ssh? | 05:24 |
| Merculis | neostrider: how else would you intend to remotely manage the 770/800? | 05:24 |
| SyntaxNinja | is there a way to restart matchbox or anything? it seems to think it's running | 05:24 |
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| neostrider | why would I need that? | 05:24 |
| SyntaxNinja | does matchbox take care of the menus and such? I don't have menus along the side or the top | 05:24 |
| Merculis | Veggen: is there a way to charge this thing via USB? | 05:25 |
| Veggen | Merculis: no. | 05:25 |
| neostrider | (by the way, any autotools guru in the house?) | 05:26 |
| SyntaxNinja | hm. when I tell matchbox-remote to display the desktop, it complains that the desktop is not running. maybe that's the prob | 05:29 |
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| * SyntaxNinja reflashes w/ a sigh | 05:38 | |
| neostrider | any SDL developer here? | 05:40 |
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| neostrider | Kees? | 06:02 |
| neostrider | how do I call for Kees? | 06:02 |
| neostrider | call for his attention | 06:03 |
| sp3000 | grumble | 06:06 |
| * sp3000 would like to subscribe to feeds with http basic auth :( | 06:06 | |
| sp3000 | it doesn't seem to work however | 06:06 |
| neostrider | sp3000 | 06:10 |
| neostrider | do you know anything about building a maemo package for a SDL app? | 06:10 |
| sp3000 | no | 06:11 |
| sp3000 | seen wiki? | 06:11 |
| sp3000 | or, I guess, what's the issue | 06:11 |
| sp3000 | (not that I can be of any help on the substance) | 06:11 |
| sp3000 | actually | 06:12 |
| * sp3000 zzzs, too :) | 06:12 | |
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| neostrider | I actually just built the bomberman | 06:21 |
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| neostrider | not its time rip everything from it off | 06:21 |
| neostrider | to use in my project heheh | 06:22 |
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| neostrider | thanks fellas | 06:27 |
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| rofltosh | so, does the N770/800 support java? | 06:52 |
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| gpd | what's happening dudes? | 07:15 |
| minra | i'm avoiding learning scratchbox cross compiling | 07:21 |
| gpd | what package? | 07:22 |
| gpd | I've been distracted with sgt-puzzles | 07:23 |
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| minra | i would like to port Ur-Quan Masters (Star Control 2) | 07:59 |
| minra | and TOME - troubles of middle earth - a roguelike | 07:59 |
| gpd | hmm - requires open gl :( | 08:00 |
| jacques | so install mesa :-) | 08:02 |
| gpd | mesa for OS2007? | 08:03 |
| jacques | I wonder if anyone has tried it. | 08:04 |
| gpd | Failed to run build on libglu1-mesa: Unable to install x11proto-gl-dev [256] | 08:06 |
| jacques | hmm | 08:07 |
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| keesj | Hi | 08:38 |
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| bjv | 2006 os, how do you re-sync the system time? | 08:52 |
| bjv | ive done sh /etc/init.d/networktimerelatedstuff on systems, or used ntpdate on my newer debian based | 08:53 |
| keesj | re-sync? | 08:53 |
| bjv | there might not be a network time client on 2006 os, i guess | 08:53 |
| keesj | bjv, do you know a small one? | 08:54 |
| bjv | i imagine they are all pretty small. | 08:54 |
| bjv | i was just wondering if anyone knew if there way already a way to do it. | 08:54 |
| bjv | in gui or something. | 08:54 |
| keesj | I don't think so , it is a good idea! | 08:55 |
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| keesj | perhas netdate is enough? I think ntpdate also contains a server and such | 08:56 |
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| keesj | bjv, if you have xterm installed would you care to try the mud netdate deb file? | 09:23 |
| keesj | it' is here (not tested on real device since my girlfriend is sleeping next to it) http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/deb/netdate_1_armel.deb | 09:25 |
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| bjv | i pulled the binary out of http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/system-tools/ntpdate_4.2.0a+stable-9_armel.deb | 09:34 |
| bjv | and pulled the library out of it's dependent .deb and put them into ~/bin/ntp | 09:34 |
| keesj | alright | 09:35 |
| bjv | simple. worked. | 09:35 |
| bjv | :) | 09:35 |
| bjv | i noticed someone has made a fullscreen clock app for the 770 | 09:37 |
| bjv | when the n800 came out that's the first thing i though of: "well, in 3 years i can always turn my outdated old 770 into a $400 network connected clock" | 09:38 |
| bjv | :\ | 09:39 |
| keesj | bjv about about creating something like this http://www.chumby.com/ ?? | 09:41 |
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| bjv | oh no! i mean, i use conky to paint "Time: yr-mo-day hr-min-sec" onto my x root window | 09:46 |
| bjv | it just put that information on the 770, and tape it to teh wall, so i dont need to run conky. | 09:46 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:27 |
| Jaffa | bjv: which full screen clock? Don't use Maemochron without being plugged in to the power, or your device'll be dead after an hour or so | 10:31 |
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| c0ffee | hap, http://c0ffee.org/tmp/nstx_1.1-beta6-2.1-osso1_armel.deb should work | 11:37 |
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| sunshine | nice pictures on your page c0ffee :) | 11:41 |
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| hap | ok thanks | 12:03 |
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| hap | hmmm no ctrl on the n800 xterm | 12:04 |
| hap | sux | 12:04 |
| hap | withn the menu, not easy access | 12:05 |
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| kulve | hap: you have the wrong xterm.. | 12:05 |
| hap | aah ? :) | 12:05 |
| hap | kulve: which one do you use? | 12:05 |
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| hap | i need ctrl for irssi | 12:06 |
| c0ffee | use the maemohacker one | 12:07 |
| hap | kulve: shortcuts for ctrl-n p, a, e would be great | 12:08 |
| hap | ok | 12:08 |
| Molagi | hmm where can i get the latest xterm | 12:08 |
| Molagi | theres no scroll on my irssi | 12:08 |
| Molagi | :/ | 12:08 |
| c0ffee | you can always bind the functionality to other keys | 12:09 |
| Molagi | how | 12:09 |
| c0ffee | see the application catalog in the wiki for the maemohacker repository | 12:09 |
| c0ffee | /help bind | 12:09 |
| Molagi | ok | 12:09 |
| c0ffee | also, you can use /scrollback goto -<lines> etc | 12:10 |
| Molagi | too much effort | 12:10 |
| Molagi | ;D | 12:10 |
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| kulve | Molagi: there's page up and down on the maemo-hackers xterm | 12:12 |
| kulve | ..there are .. | 12:12 |
| Molagi | hmm | 12:12 |
| Molagi | what version is that | 12:12 |
| Molagi | and does it work properly? | 12:12 |
| kulve | ii osso-xterm 0.13.mh19bora1 X Terminal Emulator for OSSO | 12:13 |
| kulve | that's what I have and it have worked ok | 12:13 |
| Molagi | ok | 12:13 |
| Molagi | ooh works | 12:19 |
| Molagi | thank you | 12:19 |
| kulve | np :) | 12:19 |
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| Veggen | I guess N800 software/repositories will start to get better soon, when just the developers start packaging their software for N800. | 12:32 |
| Veggen | right? | 12:32 |
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| kulve | probably | 12:33 |
| bedboi | hi there. | 12:33 |
| bedboi | i know what's the problem of the web shop | 12:33 |
| bedboi | they are not taking into account the discount code | 12:33 |
| kulve | I didn't have any problems with the code.. | 12:33 |
| bedboi | today i've called my bank and they told me that they where trying to get 339 eur from my credit card | 12:33 |
| bedboi | and as long as my credit card is prepaid i always put quite exactly the money need for the payment | 12:34 |
| bedboi | kulve: i heard a lot of people are complaining | 12:34 |
| kulve | bedboi: yeah, I read about those.. | 12:34 |
| kulve | did you click the "validate" button after you entered the code? ;) | 12:35 |
| bedboi | yep obviolusly | 12:35 |
| bedboi | whatever | 12:36 |
| bedboi | and the written price is 99 eur | 12:36 |
| c0ffee | appearantly they didn't change the webshop software since the 770 :) | 12:36 |
| bedboi | yes. i think | 12:36 |
| kulve | yeah, well, the 770 did have same kind of problems | 12:36 |
| bedboi | btw i wrote to the customer support | 12:36 |
| bedboi | ah | 12:36 |
| bedboi | i didn't know, the last time all went good | 12:36 |
| bedboi | let's see if they have fixed | 12:37 |
| Veggen | when that gets discovered, it's easy for a shop to fix it themselves. | 12:38 |
| bedboi | i asked the support to call the technicians | 12:38 |
| Veggen | Has happened to me, a few times, that I've been overcharged by an extra 0 or so, but that it's been fixed before I got around trying to fix it. | 12:38 |
| bedboi | wow :) | 12:39 |
| bedboi | an extra 0 is not very good | 12:39 |
| Veggen | bedboy: mistyping, often. | 12:39 |
| Veggen | can happen. | 12:39 |
| Veggen | (this has been on restaurants, for example) | 12:39 |
| bedboi | ah yep | 12:40 |
| bedboi | Totale: € 99,00 | 12:41 |
| bedboi | the good think is that now i remember my credit card number | 12:42 |
| * bedboi crosses fingers | 12:42 | |
| bedboi | nothing | 12:42 |
| * bedboi gives up | 12:42 | |
| hap | kulve: i have ossoxterm | 12:44 |
| hap | the ctrl key is within the menu, it sux | 12:44 |
| hap | not on the keyboard | 12:44 |
| Veggen | hap: You need another version from a different repository, as said before. | 12:44 |
| Veggen | there's been significant development on osso-xterm usability the last days. | 12:45 |
| hap | aah sorry, from different repo | 12:46 |
| hap | #deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ mistral main | 12:46 |
| hap | this one? | 12:46 |
| Veggen | yah, should be. | 12:47 |
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| hap | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D | 12:50 |
| hap | uh | 12:50 |
| Veggen | that's non-fatal. | 12:50 |
| hap | ah ok | 12:51 |
| Veggen | mm, not sure if it's the right. | 12:51 |
| Veggen | There's a bora repository at maemo hackers. | 12:52 |
| hap | aah much better :) | 12:52 |
| Veggen | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ bora main | 12:53 |
| hap | yeah | 12:53 |
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| Veggen | sorry, not awake. Been at work 21 of the last 27 hours ;P - of those, the last 14. | 12:54 |
| Veggen | just waiting for someone to verify that what I've been doing is right, to avoid being called up again just after going to bed. :) | 12:55 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:57 |
| sunshine | hi sbaturzio | 13:00 |
| sbaturzio | suihkulokki: Ciao | 13:00 |
| sbaturzio | sunshine: ciao | 13:00 |
| sbaturzio | argh...wrong <tab completion> as usual, sorry :-/ | 13:00 |
| sunshine | :D | 13:01 |
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| * Jaffa raises https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=976 - which other people seem to have reported too | 13:23 | |
| maddler | mornin' all | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | lo maddler | 13:24 |
| maddler | heya dude... | 13:25 |
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| maddler | what's up? | 13:27 |
| |tbb| | how can i identify my nickname automaticly. | 13:28 |
| maddler | Jaffa: in the meantime I found a solution for metalayer-crawler etaing up CPU... :) | 13:28 |
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| Jaffa | maddler: Restricting where it runs in the filesystem? Very neat. | 13:31 |
| maddler | yep... | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | Crazy it wasn't done before. | 13:36 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 13:36 |
| maddler | you know... great discoverings... always happened that way! :D | 13:36 |
| maddler | do you think I could get Nobel for that? | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. My N800 just rebooted again whilst sat alongside me. The screen lit up (which drew my attention to it), and I thought "that's odd, I wonder why it did that". Then it rebooted. | 13:38 |
| maddler | dunno... | 13:39 |
| maddler | saw the bug... | 13:39 |
| maddler | didn't happen to me... yet... :) | 13:39 |
| maddler | brb... | 13:39 |
| Jaffa | Disconnect : ping | 13:41 |
| hap | Jaffa: happending to me yesterday too | 13:41 |
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| Jaffa | hap: given the lack of voting on the N800 section (AFAIK), feel free to cc yourself and add a comment :) | 13:43 |
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| |tbb| | Jaffa how can i quickly list which apps i have extra installed with their package names ? | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: extra installed might be tricky. | 13:57 |
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| |tbb| | thats what i thougt | 13:59 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: do a diff between http://guerby.org/ftp/dpkg-n800.txt and `dpkg -l' | 13:59 |
| |tbb| | dunno how to do a diff even. | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Something like: dpkg -l >my-n800.txt && wget http://guerby.org/ftp/dpkg-n800.txt && diff dpkg-n800.txt my-n800.txt | 14:05 |
| guerby | Jaffa, do you know where to find a diff for N800? (I use my desktop diff) | 14:05 |
| * Jaffa doesn't know of one (yet). It'd be trivial to add to mud, though I guess. | 14:06 | |
| suihkulokki | you could just copy the file from n800 and do the diff elsewhere | 14:06 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, that's what I'd do ATM | 14:07 |
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| |tbb| | suihkulokki: is there a file allready on the n8 which shows the installed packages allready or do i have to create them myself first | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: As I said, "dpkg -l" will output it, so redirect it to a file: "dpkg -l >my-n800.txt" | 14:10 |
| suihkulokki | |tbb|: it's debian.. there is /var/lib/dpkg/ , but you will want the dpkg -l > to get more readable | 14:10 |
| |tbb| | Jaffa: thx i know how to create one by myself, i was just ask if there is one. thx | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | ah, ok | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | People who've uploaded to the extras repo, have you used gpg to create the key? It's rejecting mine as "not a valid PGP key" | 14:18 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: you have to have/generate a RSA key | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, rather than the default. | 14:29 |
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| maddler | yep... | 14:31 |
| maddler | I generated one only to sign debs | 14:31 |
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| maddler | brb | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | maddler: what key size did you use? I'm still having problems even after generating an RSA key (and clearing out my previous ones) | 14:35 |
| keesj | rsa? ain't that quite old stuff ? | 14:35 |
| vol | i must say that the 800 is much more drop-able than the 770 | 14:36 |
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| Jaffa | Ah, debsign's fubared in scratchbox. That's a pain for mud. | 14:39 |
| maddler | Jaffa: 1024 | 14:39 |
| keesj | vol, why do you think it is more dropable? | 14:42 |
| keesj | An other question , is the sensitivity of the n800 the same as on the 770? when I use the 770 I now really have the feeling that I must "hit" the screen. is there a way to configure this behaviour? | 14:43 |
| Molagi | is there a VNC Viewer for n800 yet? | 14:46 |
| hap | yes | 14:47 |
| hap | can the rss feeder import ompl files? | 14:50 |
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| hap | OPML | 14:51 |
| Jaffa | hap: Yes, but you might need to put the OPML file on the command line, I can't remember. | 14:52 |
| Veggen | the rss viewer problems reported (reboots), is those resolved? | 14:52 |
| Jaffa | Nothing's been resolved yet. | 14:52 |
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| Veggen | I haven't dared add any new feeds :) | 14:53 |
| * Jaffa neither. I think it was planet.maemo.org which was the culprit. Possibly because of all the images (especially if have "Load images" chcked on the feed) | 14:53 | |
| hap | i want to import from google reader basicly | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | Gah, garage.maemo.org refuses to belive my public key is a valid public key. | 14:53 |
| hap | Jaffa: don't forget to try http://maemo.dlfp.org/ ;) | 14:54 |
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| keesj | I have disabled the rss, reader did not browse , I just was connected for about 1 day | 14:55 |
| hap | well my n800 refuses go to to google mail anymore | 14:56 |
| keesj | I did use xterm and irssi and dropbear. | 14:56 |
| Molagi | which one is better TightVNC or realVNC? | 14:56 |
| hap | it keeps redirecting, looping | 14:56 |
| keesj | hap, funny my first crash was when I went to google mail | 14:56 |
| hap | keesj: mine works at first, i had to go to static html version of google because the normal one didn't display properly | 14:57 |
| hap | the subject was few pixel wide, making it impossible to read | 14:57 |
| keesj | I did not have the patience to way and cliked some labes a few times | 14:57 |
| hap | now it doesn't work anymore :( would be easier if google offered imap access | 14:57 |
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| keesj | hmm . I did not upgrade the os yet. I did not even look what version was installed (sorry) | 14:57 |
| * Jaffa gives up and sends ferenc an email. | 14:57 | |
| hap | does upgrading the software (flashing) means i have to reinstall all the software i installed? | 14:58 |
| melmoth | hello world...Any idea wich repository to add in ubuntu dapper to have access to gtk2 book for devhelp ? | 14:58 |
| Juhaz | no need to add anything | 15:02 |
| Juhaz | libgtk2.0-doc is in main | 15:02 |
| melmoth | oki, i havent this one installed.Cheers | 15:03 |
| melmoth | works better now :) | 15:03 |
| Jaffa | hap: yes | 15:04 |
| Jaffa | damn, another reboot. | 15:04 |
| hap | ... :( | 15:04 |
| hap | Jaffa: there is a list of features in that article from Sean that I would really like to be implemented. | 15:05 |
| hap | btw i tried that python hello software, and it starts very slow, takes up to 2 seconds to display the hello i think | 15:05 |
| hap | i would expect to be faster, mostly for a simple hello window | 15:06 |
| Juhaz | importing gtk takes most of the startup time, and it's going to take just as long for hello world and ten million line mega application | 15:12 |
| hap | Juhaz: ok, would that be much faster using C then (i mean _much much_ faster) ? | 15:15 |
| hap | Juhaz: i would just like to prototype some idea before going C. | 15:15 |
| tko | Juhaz, libgtk2.0-doc in maemo is empty, not much help | 15:16 |
| Juhaz | I got the impression he was looking for it in the host machine, not within scratchbox, could be wrong | 15:17 |
| tko | oh, right | 15:18 |
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| maddler | keesj: about the sensitivity on N800... my feeling is that the screen is more responsibe... | 15:37 |
| maddler | keesj: on my 770 I also had the feeling of film layered on the screen... | 15:38 |
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| Molagi | hmm what can i do if some app freezes? | 15:50 |
| Molagi | how do i close it | 15:50 |
| keesj | what os version? | 15:54 |
| keesj | with it2007 you can first press the home key and hit the close button | 15:54 |
| Molagi | didnt work | 15:55 |
| Molagi | had to reboot | 15:55 |
| keesj | there is also a home applet with a process monitor with options to kill the process | 15:55 |
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| maddler | gnam! | 16:19 |
| hap | http://maemo-hackers.org/attachment/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu/cpu-clock.png?format=raw | 16:20 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 16:20 |
| hap | ^^ is the way the icons are displayed a simple Gtk Table with 3x4 size ? | 16:20 |
| Andy80 | After upgrading "becomeroot" utility, when I do: sudo su | 16:20 |
| Andy80 | it asks me password: | 16:20 |
| hap | is that the best to display something similar? | 16:20 |
| maddler | heya Andy80! | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | what password? I only have root password, not user password :( | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | hi maddler ! | 16:21 |
| maddler | Andy80: tried "rootme" already? | 16:21 |
| hap | Andy80: just su - ? | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | su - requires root privileges | 16:21 |
| hap | sudo gainroot ? :) | 16:22 |
| maddler | hap: menu->view | 16:22 |
| maddler | hap: you can choose among small and big icons | 16:22 |
| hap | maddler: i know, the way it's on the N800 is different though. But I wonder on the dev part, if I want to display something similar, shall I just use Gtk Table ? | 16:22 |
| Andy80 | hap: "sudo gainroot" works | 16:22 |
| Andy80 | mm... | 16:22 |
| hap | Andy80: see... | 16:23 |
| Andy80 | maybe something has changed with tha latest "becomeroot" version :) | 16:23 |
| maddler | hap: dunno... | 16:23 |
| Andy80 | ok | 16:23 |
| maddler | Andy80: dunno... I always use the dropbear way :) | 16:23 |
| * hap thinks he should really setup all his SDK to start cross compiling and go faster | 16:23 | |
| sunshine | I dont understand this with this trend, that a nokia 770 break(the display thing), now comes this breaking because I maked me to root or is this some "special " hardware issue? | 16:23 |
| maddler | hap: indeed | 16:23 |
| hap | Andy80: you could ssh localhost also | 16:23 |
| hap | maddler: i would really like to have something similar to palm or iPhone as launcher | 16:24 |
| Andy80 | I've to go out for about 1 hour... I've to do a shit task: a friend of mine (a girl) just bought Norton Antivirus and she asked me to install it -_- | 16:24 |
| maddler | hap: yup... that would be kinda useful | 16:24 |
| hap | I would really like nokia replying to this Saen article about UI issues. | 16:24 |
| Andy80 | see ya later :°°° | 16:24 |
| sunshine | Andy, have you dbclient? when yes try : dbclient root@127.1 I think than you are root too | 16:24 |
| maddler | Andy80: LOL! | 16:24 |
| maddler | Andy80: have fund dude!!! | 16:24 |
| maddler | fund=fun | 16:25 |
| maddler | NAV is very bad by the way... | 16:25 |
| hap | maddler: seeing how slow it is for a PyGTK Window, it'd say Python won't be the best for such a launcher | 16:25 |
| maddler | very resource consuming... | 16:25 |
| melmoth | Is it possible to add a gtkcombobox in the toolbox or are only button possible ? | 16:25 |
| maddler | hap: indeed... | 16:25 |
| hap | maddler: the source for this http://maemo-hackers.org/attachment/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu/cpu-clock.png?format=raw should be available somewhere, shouldn't it ? | 16:26 |
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| Jaffa | Andy80: installing "becomeroot" lets you do "sudo gainroot", exactly as if R&D mode was enabled. | 16:31 |
| keesj | Jaffa, I was thinking , perhaps mud package must not be hosted on the extra's repository | 16:32 |
| maddler | hap: I think so... try asking who did the applet | 16:32 |
| hap | maddler: i'll install a fresh ubuntu, the SDK, and start to svn checkout | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | keesj: ? | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | keesj: btw, you asked some good questions on the mailing list, which I'm thinking about before rushing to reply | 16:33 |
| hap | Jaffa: link? | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | hap: to which? | 16:34 |
| keesj | if there is such a simple think as the .install file we might be restricting ourself by using that repository | 16:34 |
| hap | good questions, i like to read such | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | hap: ah, erm, hang on... | 16:34 |
| * maddler just noticed scrolling/drop down icons on status bar!! | 16:34 | |
| hap | is there a way to ask N800 _not_ to screen off when powerplug is connected? | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | maddler: yeah, neat isn't it? :) | 16:34 |
| maddler | yes... | 16:34 |
| hap | maddler: what's that? | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | hap: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-January/000046.html | 16:35 |
| hap | thanks | 16:35 |
| keesj | I would really like stats for the packages, and being able to select a bleeding edge repository with fresh daily builds | 16:35 |
| maddler | hap: when you have too many icons a drop down menu comes out showing the remaining icons... | 16:35 |
| tko | hmm, I just realized wikipedia logo looks a lot like death star.. coincidence? ;) | 16:35 |
| maddler | instead of hiding them a la 770 | 16:35 |
| keesj | stats being the number of downloads | 16:35 |
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| hap | maddler: on the left bottom side menu? | 16:36 |
| maddler | hap: right | 16:36 |
| maddler | tko: hahahahaha | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | keesj: a good point; however it'll be interesting to see if there's any form of remote API for updating the new application catalogue - if so, that could be very feasible. If not, I'm hoping things added to the extras repo will be automatically added to the app catalog. If none of those, then I'll either moan at Ferenc or write something to drive the web interface. | 16:36 |
| keesj | I know http://tuxfamily.org/ allows you to host such things | 16:36 |
| hap | maddler: hmm, on the left mine gets hided | 16:37 |
| hap | and i have to hit the bottom arrow to see them | 16:37 |
| Jaffa | Hosting shouldn't be an issue, bleb.org's still got loads of space and bandwidth - I'm most concerned about finding apps (through the new app catalogue) and ease of the process. The extras process currently seems a bit broken, given it won't accept my GPG key :-( | 16:38 |
| maddler | hap: right=yes | 16:38 |
| maddler | sorry :) | 16:38 |
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| sUs | test | 16:38 |
| keesj | Jaffa, alright , I think I understand. I would not automate this part. Perhaps I would create some virtual debian repository just for that app. | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | keesj: No, that makes discovery too hard. Being able to look through "Installable applications" when on your device is an important use case, I think. | 16:42 |
| rofltosh | hey guys... another noobish question... is there a guide to installing apps for complete idiots... something akin to ubuntuguide.org for the N800? | 16:43 |
| tko | IMO there should be only one repository that is preconfigured, which would host all available packages, and the user would only need to choose whether he wants to see only certified stable apps or something more adventurous (somewhat similar to ubuntu multiverse) | 16:45 |
| keesj | Jaffa, yes , that is true | 16:46 |
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| keesj | tko, perhaps, but I would have specific requirements for such a repository | 16:50 |
| keesj | One of the thing I want mud to solve is that it must be easy to create packages | 16:50 |
| keesj | and it does a lot more :like making it possible for other to build the package and making it easy for people to port and develop together | 16:51 |
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| maddler | rofltosh: there should be something on the wiki I think... | 16:55 |
| rofltosh | okay, i'll take a look | 16:55 |
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| sUs | hi to all, new and not-linux-expert here (gladly learning though). I am trying to Xforward my Ubuntu desktop on the 770. It seems not working: I have installed (and working) OpenSSH on the 770, I have modified (on the 770) the ssh_config and sshd_config files so that Xforward is enabled, to be sure I've modified them in Ubuntu too (which are the ones to be modified really?). Then I have started OpenSSH on Ubuntu as root (/etc/init.d/ssh restart), | 16:56 |
| sUs | and from 770 in XTerm, as user or as root, I've tried "ssh -X username@192.168.2.3 -vvv", where "username" is the username I use to log in Ubuntu, and the ip address is the one I can read in Ubuntu via ifconfig (it's the private ip). Is that correct? It hangs with "debug1: Connecting to 192.168.2.3 [192.168.2.3] port 22". What's wrong? Can someone suggest? | 16:56 |
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| c0ffee | afaik it's not possible to use xforwarding on the 770 | 16:58 |
| klattimer | hello all | 16:58 |
| sUs | there's something on the wiki too | 16:58 |
| klattimer | may i say thank you very much for my N800 | 16:58 |
| sUs | it seems it's possible instead | 16:59 |
| maddler | klattimer :D | 16:59 |
| klattimer | now who was it exactly that put me forward? | 16:59 |
| maddler | ? | 16:59 |
| klattimer | well i didn't apply for it, but i got the email? this has confused me somewhat so i assume someone recommended me for it | 17:00 |
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| c0ffee | klattimer, this time it was "don't call us, we call you" | 17:00 |
| c0ffee | klattimer, so nobody had to apply (for the first wave of discount codes that is) | 17:00 |
| maddler | klattimer: it was the same for me!!! and that was *GREAT* to get that mail!!! | 17:00 |
| klattimer | yeah but who? | 17:00 |
| maddler | klattimer: who may tell... | 17:01 |
| klattimer | well either way, i was wondering where i get started with this thing | 17:01 |
| klattimer | i've been on a download spree | 17:01 |
| maddler | klattimer: if you have been porting some app or contributing to the wiki maybe... | 17:01 |
| klattimer | nope | 17:01 |
| klattimer | not been doing anything for it, as i didn't see the point without having one | 17:02 |
| maddler | klattimer: doh... who may tell then! | 17:02 |
| maddler | :D | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | tko: I agree - a single repository with different components makes most sense to me, which is why I wanted the actual upload to the repository to be handled by the "mud team", rather than mud just being something people could download and use, they'd contribute to the growing set of packages in the mud upstream and the packaging/upload would be handled for them. | 17:03 |
| c0ffee | it would have been interesting if the discount code mail contained a paragraph about 'why you got the code' :) | 17:03 |
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| maddler | c0ffee: hehehe... yep... | 17:05 |
| sUs | c0ffee, here it is a link on maemo wiki where it says xforwarding is possible on 770 (and not that hard): http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_Xforward_xvkbd | 17:05 |
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| c0ffee | sUs, hum nice, never tried that | 17:07 |
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| klattimer | so, what can i do with my new n800? | 17:08 |
| jcml_ | sUs: It's possible. I've got chunderbird working over a GPRS link (==PAIN!!) | 17:08 |
| bilboed | +1 for the n800. pop out memory card from camera, stick it in n800 and you're able to see your photos with a MUCH better screen :) | 17:08 |
| klattimer | first thing i'd like to do is put a better email client on, as the bundled one is terribly slow on imap | 17:08 |
| klattimer | heard about this amazing thing called tinymail | 17:09 |
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| Jaffa | klattimer: may I humbly suggest http://bleb.org/software/770/#sylpheed (suggest you install a smaller fonted theme and turn off some of the frippery to suit) | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | klattimer: No TinyMail-based client has yet been released. Nokia are working on one called "Modest" | 17:09 |
| sUs | can't figure out where's my mistake on xforwarding. Someone has clues? | 17:09 |
| c0ffee | xterm+ssh+mutt :) | 17:09 |
| jcml_ | klattimer: tinymail's the basis for the not-yet-released email client for mameo: Modest | 17:09 |
| jcml_ | I think | 17:10 |
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| jcml_ | sUs: I'll paste my ssh command line and sshd.config - hang on ... | 17:10 |
| sUs | jcml_, ok, tnx | 17:10 |
| klattimer | oh | 17:11 |
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| klattimer | well is sylpheed the standard client? | 17:11 |
| jcml_ | no | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | The standard client is based on Sylpheed, but in no recognisable way. | 17:12 |
| jcml_ | oh. oops :) | 17:12 |
| klattimer | thats what i meant | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | i.e. it's been made really, really, crap. | 17:12 |
| klattimer | yeah | 17:12 |
| klattimer | lots of do nothing loops | 17:12 |
| jcml_ | *unrecognisably* crap :) | 17:12 |
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| Jaffa | Whereas my Sylpheed port is more of a straight port. | 17:12 |
| maddler | if only standard client had Imap folders... :( | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | ...if only the standard client didn't fire up osso-browser to display each message <shakes head/> | 17:12 |
| Rotund | Anyone else upgrade their 770 and find themselves unable to find some packages? | 17:13 |
| klattimer | i had to move almost 20000 messages out of my INBOX into other folders just to get it to function-ish | 17:13 |
| Rotund | I can't seem to find the libsdl-ttf2.0-0 package (even searched the repositories manually) | 17:13 |
| jcml_ | sUs: can you ssh across and get a command line? i.e. is *basic* ssh working? | 17:14 |
| maddler | Rotund: I'd say it's not related with the upgrade... | 17:14 |
| sUs | jcml_, yes, ssh works | 17:14 |
| Rotund | Well, it is in the fact I have to reinstall everything =) | 17:14 |
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| maddler | Rotund: maybe you miss some repo | 17:15 |
| Rotund | The package apparently USED to be on the garage repository. I just searched and it's not there anymore | 17:15 |
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| Rotund | should;ve been here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/scirocco/free/libs/ | 17:15 |
| klattimer | how do i flash the device with the rootfs? | 17:15 |
| sUs | jcml_, ops - I don't know: I have used ssh the other way. How can I test basic ssh from 770? just ssh usernam@ip? | 17:15 |
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| Rotund | or on non-free, but it's not there either | 17:16 |
| maddler | klattimer: if you just got it you don;t need to reflash it... | 17:16 |
| jcml_ | sUs: so, on the server, on the *correct* and *active* (check this!) sshd.config, you've got "X11forwarding yes" and "X11DisplayOffset 10"? | 17:16 |
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| klattimer | hmm? | 17:16 |
| klattimer | so how do i install debs? | 17:16 |
| maddler | klattimer: btw http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo | 17:16 |
| jcml_ | sUs: to test, just ssh user@ip or ssh user@host if you've got local resolution working somehow | 17:16 |
| klattimer | heh yeah i have that written on my t-shirt | 17:17 |
| klattimer | LOL | 17:17 |
| klattimer | ;P | 17:17 |
| sUs | jcml_, on the 770 I have X11forwarding yes and X11DisplayOffset 10. As the user@host command, which is the "host"? I used the 192.168.2.3 address, but maybe this is the mistake? | 17:18 |
| jcml_ | no - IP should work. | 17:18 |
| jcml_ | hap: thx for that email - I'll take a look when I'm back on a fast connection :)c | 17:19 |
| sUs | jcml_, btw the file on 770 is "sshd_config", not sshd.config | 17:19 |
| jcml_ | sUs: I know - I'm not asking you to look at that one. That's for sshing IN to the 770 - which i | 17:20 |
| klattimer | wow | 17:20 |
| klattimer | the package installer is elite | 17:20 |
| jcml_ | sUs: .. is /not/ what you need | 17:20 |
| klattimer | ;) | 17:20 |
| sUs | jcml_, ok, so the sshd_config in Ubuntu, right? btw, same options there apply. | 17:21 |
| klattimer | jaffa has your sylpheed been tested on the n800? | 17:21 |
| Jaffa | klattimer: yes, some people reported needing to add an additonal repo. I've not had a chance to test it myself yet | 17:22 |
| klattimer | well i installed it fine, but was unable to run it | 17:22 |
| jcml_ | sUs: Yes - my mistake :) Ubuntu /is/ the same ... :) | 17:22 |
| klattimer | surely deb should have warned about deps | 17:23 |
| hap | jcml_: which one? | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | It's an old 770 package. I've not had time to look into it yet. Some people have reported it working. | 17:23 |
| jcml_ | sUs: /etc/sshd_config | 17:23 |
| hap | oh yeah | 17:23 |
| hap | jcml_: no prob | 17:24 |
| sUs | jcml_, yes already checked it, and yes those options are right (I already edited them) | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | klattimer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4229 | 17:24 |
| hap | jcml_: usefull, you ll see | 17:24 |
| jcml_ | sUs: so does ssh user@ip work? | 17:25 |
| sUs | jcml_: no it doesn't. I use "ssh io@192.168.2.3" from XTerm in 770, where "io" is my Ubuntu username. Is that wrong? | 17:26 |
| sUs | jcml_: if I verbose it with -vvv, I can see it's trying to connect but the times out. I'm a bit dubious about the ip address, should I use the one I see with ifconfig in Ubuntu? | 17:27 |
| jcml_ | sUs: it's wrong in that it /should/ work :) | 17:27 |
| sUs | jcml_: :) | 17:27 |
| sUs | jcml_: ok, thanks, hope to solve some day! thanks for your time. | 17:27 |
| jcml_ | sUs: (just on the phone at the mo - bbiab) | 17:28 |
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| kender | hi | 17:32 |
| klattimer | i keep getting hit by deb problems | 17:35 |
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| klattimer | does anyone know off the top of their head which repos libglade2 libsdl and libxau0 are in? | 17:37 |
| keesj | apt-cache policy libglade2 libsdl libxau0 | 17:41 |
| keesj | libxau0 -> http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free Packages | 17:41 |
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| keesj | the other don't return anything on my install | 17:42 |
| keesj | but I know libsdl is available | 17:42 |
| klattimer | looks like i've found them | 17:43 |
| klattimer | i was trying bora | 17:43 |
| tko | libglade2-0 libsdl1.2 | 17:43 |
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| klattimer | ahh i can't create a new game in doom! | 17:46 |
| klattimer | oh sussed it | 17:46 |
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| * Andy80 back! | 17:59 | |
| Andy80 | maddler: I've found other 50 "smart" people :P | 17:59 |
| kender | /scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc: Too many open files | 18:06 |
| kender | ideas? | 18:07 |
| kender | Trying to compile the kernel... | 18:07 |
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| maddler | Andy80: hehehehe... | 18:10 |
| Andy80 | maddler: I've improved the script that generates tha map: now network without enc are displayed with a green point, and the other are red | 18:11 |
| Andy80 | :) | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | ? | 18:12 |
| maddler | Andy80: good... | 18:12 |
| maddler | Jaffa: he was working on a kismet+gpsd -> googlemaps stuff :) | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | Ooooh, shiny. | 18:13 |
| Andy80 | :) | 18:13 |
| Andy80 | the map is growin day by day :) | 18:13 |
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| gpd | so I have a working osso-xterm on N800 - but i am hearing good things now about the hackers version -- the upgrade wants to upgrade packages... /me worries slightly | 18:25 |
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| keesj | the hackers xterm rulez big time | 18:26 |
| gpd | ok -- upgrading :) | 18:26 |
| gpd | ooh - shiny | 18:28 |
| gpd | so am I still right in thinking that apt-get (dist-)upgrade is a *bad* idea? The -s shows: | 18:31 |
| gpd | bsdutils e2fslibs e2fsprogs libblkid1 libcomerr2 libss2 libuuid1 ncurses-bin | 18:31 |
| gpd | ^ new, busybox held back, ncurses-base upgradeed | 18:31 |
| keesj | are you sure those files are comming from maemo-hackers | 18:32 |
| gpd | no - not all | 18:33 |
| gpd | only ncurses-bin and base it seems | 18:33 |
| keesj | It installed the same thing with me , but I suspected that those where base installs | 18:33 |
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| gpd | so if we/I comment out the hackers - than do the dist-upgrade? | 18:33 |
| gpd | or is it safe to just /leave well alone/ ? | 18:33 |
| gpd | s/safe/more sensible/ | 18:34 |
| keesj | gpd, I have never ran dist-upgrade and I do thrust maemo-hackers | 18:34 |
| gpd | it disturbs my sense of well being not being able to shaboom ! :D | 18:35 |
| keesj | perhaps you I am misunderstanding what you are afraid of | 18:35 |
| gpd | I was under the impression that upgrade / dist-upgrade would/could cause severe breakage (even without hackers) | 18:36 |
| maddler | anyone with gizmo? | 18:38 |
| gpd | i have gizmo project installed on my n800, yes... | 18:39 |
| keesj | yes dist-upgrade can ruine your system. so I only use it if somebody else did it before me :p | 18:42 |
| maddler | gpd... were you able to place calls? | 18:42 |
| gpd | maddler: yes - mostly - seemed to take a long time to connect | 18:42 |
| gpd | despte the fact that it was 'ringing' | 18:43 |
| gpd | first call was described as 'as if you are underwater' | 18:43 |
| maddler | I;m unable to place calls... :( | 18:43 |
| maddler | could you try to add/call me? (komputika) | 18:43 |
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| keesj | http://gnomedesktop.org/node/2853 | 19:00 |
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| keesj | hmm Engineering Manager does not sound good to me. ( I will start my c/c++ based job next month) | 19:03 |
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| keesj | is there any reason why not to post that on maemo.org or on the mailing list? | 19:05 |
| gpd | keesj: wtf is gnomehide? | 19:05 |
| keesj | I don't know | 19:07 |
| gpd | ah -- i mised the 3 off the end of your URL! | 19:07 |
| keesj | gnome header ide | 19:07 |
| gpd | all now becomes clear :D | 19:07 |
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| tko | keesj, it was in the planet | 19:08 |
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| melmoth | Any idea why i do not have any osso nor gtk python module in my scratchbox ? | 19:19 |
| melmoth | it runs maemo 3.0 and both gtk and libosso works in C, but i cannot run any of the python tutorial example for lack of those module. apt-cache search python gives some .deb, but they are all installed already | 19:20 |
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| disq | did anybody try out maemopad+ on the n800 yet? | 19:27 |
| Tahitibob | melmoth: Do You have some error messages ? | 19:27 |
| melmoth | well, it says there is no such module: | 19:28 |
| melmoth | >>> import gtk | 19:29 |
| melmoth | Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? | 19:29 |
| melmoth | ImportError: No module named gtk | 19:29 |
| melmoth | sys.path is the following: | 19:29 |
| melmoth | ['', '/scratchbox/devkits/doctools/lib/site-python', '/scratchbox/devkits/debian/lib/site-python', '/scratchbox/devkits/perl/lib/site-python', '/home/melmoth/dev/rapier', '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python23.zip', '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3', '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/plat-linux2', '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/lib-tk', '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/lib-dynload', '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages'] | 19:29 |
| Tahitibob | You seem to use python 2.3 | 19:30 |
| Tahitibob | You have to use python2.5 | 19:30 |
| melmoth | this is the python the maemo installer installed | 19:30 |
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| melmoth | is there a more recent one to install somewhere ? (repository url would be fine :)) | 19:31 |
| Tahitibob | the binary for python 2.5 is python2.5, the short name 'python' is python 2.3 | 19:31 |
| Tahitibob | in command line, type "python2.5" and 'import gtk' | 19:31 |
| vittorio | wow, mame works great! | 19:31 |
| melmoth | i only have 2.3.4 installed | 19:32 |
| Tahitibob | Do You see python2.5 packages ? : 'apt-cache search python2.5' | 19:32 |
| melmoth | nope | 19:32 |
| melmoth | my source list says | 19:33 |
| melmoth | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 19:33 |
| melmoth | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 19:33 |
| melmoth | deb file:/home/melmoth/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0 bora explicit | 19:33 |
| Tahitibob | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free is missing | 19:33 |
| Tahitibob | add it | 19:33 |
| melmoth | cheers | 19:33 |
| Tahitibob | it works for me | 19:34 |
| Tahitibob | and install python2.5-runtime | 19:35 |
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| maddler | any clue on how to get battery status/charge from commandline? | 19:36 |
| melmoth | looks like it works, thanks. | 19:37 |
| Tahitibob | ok | 19:37 |
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| maddler | noway... gizmo is not working on my 800! :D | 19:48 |
| maddler | same account is working on 770 | 19:48 |
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| gortan | maemo | 19:56 |
| melmoth | Great, with this version of python i can even use the home made python sword module that did not work with the vanilla python :) | 19:57 |
| gortan | why | 19:57 |
| melmoth | Tahitibob: however, the funny thing is, this python (2.5) does not seem to understand the help keyword. | 19:57 |
| melmoth | is this ...normal ? | 19:57 |
| gortan | no | 19:57 |
| Tahitibob | sorry | 19:58 |
| gortan | why | 19:58 |
| Tahitibob | the help command does not work | 19:59 |
| melmoth | oh. | 19:59 |
| Tahitibob | there are some limitations with python2.5 | 19:59 |
| melmoth | well, thanks for the info anyway :) | 20:00 |
| Tahitibob | someone sent a mail today on maemo-developpers maling-list with the list of things to limitation | 20:01 |
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| Tahitibob | sorry, for the delay, i 'm french, i need time to write in english | 20:01 |
| Tahitibob | there are things to improve : python-maemo3.0 wiki page, help command, etc .... | 20:04 |
| ferulo | I bet that help and doc modules has been removed from maemo-python in order to decrease package size | 20:07 |
| c0ffee | Tahitibob, you can just edit the wiki page | 20:07 |
| melmoth | Tahitibob: huhu je suis francais aussi :) | 20:08 |
| Tahitibob | lol | 20:08 |
| melmoth | i was thinking you were from tahiti :) | 20:09 |
| Tahitibob | c0ffee:ok | 20:09 |
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| visor | hi everybody | 20:35 |
| visor | i know this may not be the place to ask but im interested on a n770 tablet and i know it is a cellphone also but i wonder if it is kind of "locked" to some providers or can it be used with any GSM provider (since im not in the U.S. / Europe) | 20:36 |
| visor | do you know if it works on other countries? | 20:37 |
| glassss | it is not a cellphone | 20:37 |
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| visor | ohh i did not know | 20:37 |
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| visor | i thougth you could make phone calls | 20:38 |
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| maddler | visor: 770 is *not* a phone | 20:38 |
| glassss | well if you route them through the internet sure.. | 20:38 |
| maddler | visor: maybe you are looking for N70 instead... | 20:38 |
| visor | well actually im just looking for a pda-kind gadget that works on linux and windows | 20:39 |
| visor | but i thought it was a phone also | 20:39 |
| maddler | visor: if you are looking for a GREAT pda-kind gadget... 770/N800 is your choice... | 20:40 |
| Veggen | well. | 20:40 |
| maddler | if you are looking for a phone I'd suggest E61 | 20:40 |
| Veggen | As a pda, it's not that great. | 20:40 |
| Veggen | yet. | 20:40 |
| Tahitibob | c0ffee:the page about python is not on the wiki, but in the developper tab, so, I can not edit it | 20:40 |
| visor | Veggen: why? it runs linux, anytyhing its possible :P | 20:41 |
| visor | i havent heard anything bad about the gadget, yet | 20:41 |
| Veggen | visor: sure, for those that value flexibility and hackability, it's great. | 20:41 |
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| Veggen | but if you want it to keep contacts, sync your calendar, etc, mainly, it's not that great yet. | 20:42 |
| visor | and i already own a cellphone but i wanted to have it on the same device, you know, to save space, but i guess i can live with it | 20:42 |
| visor | Veggen, ohh i see, sync issues? | 20:43 |
| Veggen | well, it's just not got that great pda-features. | 20:43 |
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| Veggen | gpe is getting along, tho, but last I saw, it was quite some manual labor to get syncing going. | 20:43 |
| visor | thats strange coming from a device whose software its open | 20:44 |
| visor | ill guess itll get better | 20:44 |
| Veggen | visor: oh, it's fixable, and will get better, likely. | 20:45 |
| kender | loading a modules compiled by me, in N800, it give me an error "cannot open modules: No such file or directory", the same as if I try to insmod the ext3.ko (that come with the N800 originaly; insmod jbd.ko works fine) | 20:47 |
| kender | ideas? | 20:47 |
| maddler | kender: insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/<yourversion>/ext3.ko | 20:50 |
| kender | yes, that, give me that error | 20:50 |
| kender | same as my modules | 20:50 |
| maddler | no idea then... | 20:51 |
| kender | but, jbd.ko modules, loads fine | 20:51 |
| kender | ext2.ko same error | 20:53 |
| maddler | oh... you have to load mbcache.ko | 20:55 |
| maddler | and then ext2 | 20:55 |
| kender | mmm.. | 20:56 |
| kender | now yes, everything right | 20:56 |
| kender | well, so, for my modules, the same error | 20:56 |
| kender | the module is snd-pcm-oss.ko | 20:57 |
| kender | to enable the alsa-oss emulation in the kernel | 20:57 |
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| arnnn | what do I need to do to make evince for n770 work for n800 | 20:57 |
| maddler | arnnn: you could try with human sacrifices... | 20:58 |
| kender | oh! | 20:59 |
| kender | now, works | 20:59 |
| kender | :D | 20:59 |
| kender | shit | 21:01 |
| kender | xD | 21:01 |
| kender | Unable to find any suitable output device! | 21:01 |
| kender | :S | 21:01 |
| kender | the program uses libao, with is supposed to support, esd, oss and some others | 21:02 |
| arnnn | if I install .deb from xterm and fail, will it tell me why it fail? | 21:03 |
| kender | yes | 21:04 |
| arnnn | or is it going to be the same as installing from application manager ? (which only says 'application not compatible' when it fail without further detail) | 21:04 |
| arnnn | to install from xterm , the command is dpkg -i bla.deb ? | 21:04 |
| c0ffee | Tahitibob, you can send ferenc a mail with diffs | 21:05 |
| Tahitibob | c0ffee:ok | 21:06 |
| kender | yes arnnn | 21:07 |
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| arnnn | what's the easiest way to become root in n800 ? | 21:13 |
| visor | btw, how does the n770 does connectivity with linux apps? (thunderbird, evolution, etc.) | 21:13 |
| c0ffee | install becomeroot | 21:13 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 21:14 |
| arnnn | c0ffee, where can I get that ? | 21:14 |
| kender | arnnn, AplicationCatalog | 21:15 |
| kender | 2006 | 21:15 |
| arnnn | kender, will it work for os2007 ? | 21:18 |
| kender | yes | 21:18 |
| kender | I tested it | 21:18 |
| arnnn | kender, so I downloaded becomeroot_armel.deb, and then double click it ? | 21:19 |
| kender | yes | 21:19 |
| kender | :) | 21:19 |
| kender | then, sudo gainroot in xterm | 21:20 |
| kender | and You are GOD for a moment | 21:20 |
| kender | hehe | 21:20 |
| Fatal | no redpill for os2007? | 21:20 |
| c0ffee | redpill works here | 21:21 |
| kender | yes | 21:22 |
| kender | tested too | 21:22 |
| bedboi | is there any news about webshop bug? | 21:23 |
| arnnn | I got error package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) | 21:30 |
| kender | arnnn, with what package? | 21:31 |
| arnnn | kender, evince... | 21:32 |
| kender | no idea | 21:32 |
| kender | maybe it is not ported | 21:32 |
| arnnn | yea..what do I need to do to port it ? | 21:33 |
| bedboi | it seems that i have to wait for customer support to reply my mail | 21:33 |
| kender | arnnn, scratchbox, maemo sdk | 21:37 |
| kender | view docu in maemo web | 21:37 |
| kender | (look at) | 21:37 |
| arnnn | oh this stuff is too heavy for me | 21:38 |
| kender | hehe | 21:38 |
| soleblaze | how much better is evince then the pdf viewer that comes with the n800/770? | 21:41 |
| jonek | hi - why is the developer code called "GARGARIN"? | 21:43 |
| jonek | s/GARGARIN/GAGARIN/ | 21:43 |
| bedboi | like the astronaut | 21:44 |
| bedboi | don't know why | 21:44 |
| arnnn | soleblaze, evince can see the pdf bookmarks, and it can scroll continuously (it can see part of page 1 and part of page 2) | 21:44 |
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| kender | arnnn, don't worry, somebody will port it soon, is a great and very know program | 21:45 |
| kender | *known | 21:45 |
| arnnn | yeah | 21:46 |
| soleblaze | ah, nifty. | 21:46 |
| soleblaze | yeah i twas ported ot the 770 | 21:46 |
| soleblaze | I dunno..I'm converting my pdfs into ebooks | 21:46 |
| arnnn | I'll stick with n800 built in pdf | 21:46 |
| soleblaze | so I can use FBreader | 21:46 |
| arnnn | soleblaze, how do you the conversion ? | 21:47 |
| soleblaze | I'll let you knwo when I find out lol I think plucker desktop can do it..I'm installing it now | 21:47 |
| soleblaze | orrr maybe not..this thing has a nightmare interface | 21:51 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:04 |
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| maddler | sbaturzio: aloha kahua! :D | 22:07 |
| maddler | (e ciao!) | 22:07 |
| maddler | hehehehehe | 22:07 |
| maddler | nice to see some italian around here sometime! :D | 22:07 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: Ciao! | 22:07 |
| sbaturzio | yeah and we're not alone | 22:07 |
| maddler | hehehe | 22:07 |
| maddler | yep... | 22:07 |
| shackan | italians are everywhere | 22:14 |
| kender | no italian, but spanish yeah! | 22:15 |
| kender | hehe | 22:15 |
| shackan | maddler, your $real_name doesn't sound very italian tough | 22:16 |
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| roope | italians and the irc are a dangerous combination. ;) | 22:23 |
| trenka_ | ed__: vah | 22:24 |
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| ed__ | :) | 22:25 |
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| ed__ | Why is it so silent here? | 22:25 |
| ed__ | trenka: Do you have some time to test mplayer build? | 22:26 |
| trenka | lunch time :) | 22:27 |
| trenka | ed__: sure | 22:27 |
| sbaturzio | roope: even in real life they are dangerous. :-D | 22:27 |
| trenka | ed__: you called me (just took phone) | 22:27 |
| trenka | ed__: mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.8_armel.deb ? | 22:29 |
| bedboi | roope, agreed. | 22:29 |
| ed__ | Cool. Get it from here please: http://bartosh.org:/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.8_armel.deb | 22:29 |
| bedboi | to any italians with discount code: do you have been able to purchase n800 ? | 22:30 |
| ed__ | Nope. This one is a bit different and should play faster on N800. | 22:30 |
| bedboi | and have you checked how much they charged on your credit card? | 22:30 |
| sbaturzio | bedboi: no, sorry. Have you received a discount code from Nokia? I have some friends looking for it. | 22:32 |
| ed__ | trenka: Download Doom.divx from the same place. You'll need it for benchmarking. | 22:33 |
| trenka | Just wanted to ask "Any special test files?" :) | 22:33 |
| ed__ | trenka: Run mplayer -benchmark -quiet -nosound -vo <xv,sdl and x11> Doom.divx for 3 mentioned vo's. | 22:34 |
| ed__ | And post results here. | 22:35 |
| ed__ | trenka: On your N800, of course :) | 22:35 |
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| trenka | XV: BENCHMARKs: VC: 59.499s VO: 22.161s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.986s = 82.646s | 22:44 |
| trenka | BENCHMARK%: VC: 71.9933% VO: 26.8140% A: 0.0000% Sys: 1.1927% = 100.0000% | 22:45 |
| ed__ | trenka: I have almost the same. | 22:45 |
| trenka | seems you use same software on the same hardware | 22:46 |
| ed__ | trenka: But for x11 I had VO 5s, which I totally don't understand. That's why I'm asking you to test it. | 22:47 |
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| trenka | ok. wait a bit | 22:47 |
| trenka | SDL: BENCHMARKs: VC: 53.364s VO: 83.524s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.950s = 137.838s | 22:48 |
| ed__ | trenka: yep. The same. | 22:49 |
| trenka | BENCHMARK%: VC: 38.7154% VO: 60.5956% A: 0.0000% Sys: 0.6889% = 100.0000% | 22:49 |
| ed__ | Was it x11? | 22:49 |
| trenka | no, SDL, x11 is the next | 22:50 |
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| trenka | X11: BENCHMARKs: VC: 49.361s VO: 141.065s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.909s = 191.335s | 22:54 |
| trenka | BENCHMARK%: VC: 25.7982% VO: 73.7268% A: 0.0000% Sys: 0.4750% = 100.0000% | 22:54 |
| ed__ | Hmm. That looks more realistic. | 22:54 |
| ed__ | Thank you. | 22:55 |
| ed__ | Which firmware do you use? | 22:56 |
| trenka | 2007.1-10 | 22:56 |
| ed__ | Mine is 2006.57-1 | 22:58 |
| trenka | there was xserver update | 22:59 |
| ed__ | Still have time to test? I'll rebuild package for armv6. | 22:59 |
| trenka | ok | 23:00 |
| ed__ | BTW, what would be the best -mcpu value for N800? Which hardware-specific options would you suggest? | 23:00 |
| ed__ | I'm going to use -mcpu=arm926ej-s -mfpu=vfp. Any other suggestions? | 23:01 |
| ed__ | Oops. sorry. arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp | 23:02 |
| koen | arm1136 would be better I guess | 23:02 |
| trenka | -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mcpu=arm1136jfs | 23:02 |
| ed__ | Just arm1136 or arm1136jf-s? | 23:02 |
| koen | jf-s | 23:02 |
| ed__ | OK, thanks. | 23:02 |
| suihkulokki | ed__: + -mfloat-abi=softfp | 23:02 |
| ed__ | suihkulokki: I tried this already. It seems doesn't help. | 23:03 |
| ed__ | building with -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mcpu=arm1136jfs -mfloat-abi=softfp | 23:05 |
| suihkulokki | ed__: mm, I meant use "-mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=vfp" | 23:06 |
| ed__ | Sorry, just missed it :) | 23:07 |
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| lasala | hmmm it seems that the N800 or os 2007 is more unstable than my N700 | 23:08 |
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| trenka | lasala: sometimes yes | 23:10 |
| trenka | but fbreaders looks pretty stable :) | 23:10 |
| ed__ | lasala: It's a new product. Why should it be more stable than previous one whith 2 major updates? | 23:10 |
| lasala | ed__: cos Nokia learned from these 2 major update to release an OS which is more stable | 23:11 |
| ed__ | lasala: If this is the case why you just said the opposit ;)? | 23:12 |
| lasala | ed__: i meant that it should be that way | 23:13 |
| trenka | lasala: really, Nokia wants to prove the software mathematically. But people do not want to wait a couple of hundreds years | 23:13 |
| ed__ | lasala: I really wish this. | 23:14 |
| ed__ | trenka: It's ready. At the same place. | 23:17 |
| ed__ | trenka: And the same name :) (I know it's bad) | 23:18 |
| trenka | for me it's ok ;( | 23:18 |
| trenka | ;) | 23:18 |
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| ed__ | trenka: Look what I have at Nokia770 with the same file: | 23:21 |
| ed__ | BENCHMARKs: VC: 69.865s VO: 8.043s A: 0.000s Sys: 1.513s = 79.421s | 23:21 |
| ed__ | BENCHMARK%: VC: 87.9687% VO: 10.1267% A: 0.0000% Sys: 1.9045% = 100.0000% | 23:22 |
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| trenka | what do the values mean ? | 23:23 |
| ed__ | I don't know exactly. VO: is video output benchmark. The less - the better. | 23:24 |
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| trenka_ | X11: BENCHMARKs: VC: 49.381s VO: 130.626s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.835s = 180.842s | 23:28 |
| trenka_ | BENCHMARK%: VC: 27.3059% VO: 72.2321% A: 0.0000% Sys: 0.4620% = 100.0000% | 23:29 |
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| trenka_ | XV: BENCHMARKs: VC: 60.317s VO: 21.202s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.835s = 82.390s | 23:32 |
| trenka_ | BENCHMARK%: VC: 73.2094% VO: 25.7342% A: 0.0000% Sys: 1.0564% = 100.0000% | 23:32 |
| ed__ | Hmm. Relatively the same. | 23:34 |
| trenka_ | yes, still far :) | 23:34 |
| ed__ | trenka: Thank you. | 23:35 |
| trenka_ | np | 23:35 |
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| melmoth | Mhh .What is this 'roostrap' thingy one has to download in order to compile for arm ? | 23:39 |
| melmoth | Maemo_Dev_Platform_v3.0_armel-rootfs.tgz does not seems to be the correct file | 23:39 |
| melmoth | any idea wich one to download, and from where ? | 23:40 |
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