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AD-N770good morning from Barcelona10:59
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JaffaMorning, all11:02
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jaitbuenos días, señor Dent11:06
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AD-N770bon dia Sr. Tenhunen11:11
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jaitad-n770: cómo funciona tu vlc en 770?11:24
AD-N770Last months I could'n work on VLC11:25
AD-N770probably will be another unfinished project11:25
AD-N770now I'm working on Fluendo and I'm more interested on GStreamer11:25
AD-N770mainly writing ARM assembly in order to optimze codecs11:26
jaitok, that *is* more interesting than fighting with VLC :D11:27
AD-N770yes11:27
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Ayozehola AD-N77011:28
AD-N770hola Ayoze11:28
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vidarhmm, are we still here?16:25
dpbno16:25
vidardamn. figured.16:26
vidarfreenode's DNS is toast, it seems16:26
vidarand16:26
vidar$ telnet 212.204.214.114 666716:26
vidarTrying 212.204.214.114...16:26
vidartelnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused16:26
vidarthat IP belongs to the server i'm currently on.16:26
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shaprfreenode ipv6 is working for me.16:39
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konttoriHas there been any problems with updating via osx installer?17:13
konttoriI mean the andrews installer17:13
konttoriOh, what the heck. I trust the guy. Must work17:14
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konttoriso, is the 2.2006.39-14 the latest firmware?17:17
mgedminlooks like17:19
mgedminbecause 2006.26-8 was the OS2006 final release17:19
mgedminah, 2006SE_2 as opposed to 2006SE_1 in the filename is also a hint17:19
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konttoriWorked for me. Just to let everyone know that andrews osx updater works on latest image as well17:23
konttoriHuh. No-one here even though new firmware has just been released... how odd17:23
mgedminfreenode problems17:23
mgedminI've heard something about a huge DDOS17:24
konttoriahh...17:24
konttorioh? really? That's just nasty17:24
* mgedmin will have the chance to see whether flasher-2.0 works in ubuntu edgy17:24
konttoriDamn!17:27
konttoriNew firmware still doesn't support 400x240 videos17:27
konttoriWhich just sucks ass so much17:27
* konttori has been watching too much south park17:27
konttorianyway, fortunately we have mplayer17:28
konttoribut still, I'd have liked if Nokia would have fixed the video player to support the only proper resolution for the device.17:28
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konttoriOk. cool. I also cannot install mplayer.  Any ideas?17:31
partmgedmin: if it doesn't work, please file a bug17:33
konttoriI don't seem to be able to install anything17:34
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konttorimust be my app catalogs or something17:34
konttoriok. I'm not able to install mediastreamer either17:36
konttoriI have only tableteer catalogs in use17:36
Jaffakonttori: any obvious changes?17:37
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konttorijaffa: nope17:37
obihas the new firmware been announced somewhere or do you know of some kind of changelog?17:37
* Jaffa just saw fanoush's mention on ITT.17:37
Jaffaobi: new firmware on maemo.org. As ever, no changelog (I assume)17:37
mgedminactually, there was17:37
mgedminhttp://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-announce/2006-November/000030.html17:38
Jaffareally?17:38
JaffaBlimey17:38
_matthias_obi: ja ... its been in maemo-announce mails and there is a changelog at http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-announce/2006-November/000030.html17:38
mgedminnot very specific, but better than before17:38
_matthias_ok :(17:38
_matthias_to slow17:38
* Jaffa wonders why he hasn't got the maemo-announce mail17:38
_matthias_Jaffa: perhaps you did not subscribe17:38
konttoriYeah. I got carried away by the part: o Local playback of MPEG video improved17:38
_matthias_:)17:38
obii haven't received it either ;)17:38
obialthough i am subscribed17:38
konttoriBut... htat must mean mpeg 1 playback.17:38
Jaffa_matthias_: no, I'm fairly certain I subscribed ;-)17:39
obimaybe it takes some more minutes to arrive ;)17:39
mgedminduh!  that's why I didn't get it either -- I'm not subscribed17:39
JaffaHistorically maemo-dev & maemo-users are cc'ed, though I think.17:39
konttoriit's on planet maemo (blogged by teemu) as well17:39
JaffaExcellent.17:40
konttoriJust after releasing media converter 1.2 I would have loved to announce that 770 now supports the 400x240 resolution... but noooh... oh noo17:40
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konttoriIn any case, nice of Nokia to release a bug fix version, so kudos for them for that17:41
JaffaYeah, especially after 13 weeks.17:42
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disqmmm.. i think i won't upgrade17:45
disqfor now at least. not satisfied with the changes17:45
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Wiredlessafternoon17:46
konttorimorning17:46
Wiredlesshey kon hows things17:46
konttoripretty ok. released 1.2 today. Like working 1.2 not beta17:47
Wiredlessugh time to bite the bullet and install the new update17:47
Wiredlesssaw that17:47
Wiredlessman i wish nokia would make the OS's an update rather than loose all your hard work and reflash17:47
konttoriand got osx app working, which is really cool (as I use osx now)17:48
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Wiredlessyou rock man17:48
Wiredlessosx apps as in?17:48
konttoriwell, I think flash route is good as it's guaranteed to work17:48
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Wiredlessconverter?17:48
Wiredlessyeah i guess17:48
konttorimedia converter with proper osx app framework. Yeah. With icon and all ;)17:48
Wiredlessjust sux having to reinstall and reconfigure EVERYTHING17:48
konttoriWell, You should backup first17:48
Wiredlessim on OSX17:49
konttoriYou can then restore the backup -> get all your settings back17:49
Wiredlessnever have been able to get converter to work17:49
konttorireally?17:49
konttoriwhich os do you have?17:49
Wiredlesstiger17:49
konttoriintel or ppc?17:49
Wiredless10.4.817:49
Wiredlessppc17:49
Wiredlessi need mencoder installed right?17:50
konttorihmm... what's your email? I could send you a 'proper app' version for ppc to test17:50
konttoriNope17:50
konttoriIt comes with the package17:50
Wiredlesshmmm17:50
Wiredlessok other question17:50
Wiredlesswhat file type should i be trying to convert in the fist place17:50
konttoripretty much any.17:51
konttoriwhat's your email?17:51
Wiredlessi have a tv card i can capture from17:51
konttoriI'll send you the PPC version (1.2... not the beta) by email17:51
Wiredlesssame gmail one17:51
Wiredless tomnuk@gmail.com17:52
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Wiredlessim the aqua theme guy member17:52
Wiredlessyou flashed to the new os yet?17:53
* Jaffa wished mmc-unionfs was released for 2006 OS, though, so no backup'd be necessary.17:53
konttoriYeah! indeed. Just lost all addresses during switch to osx17:53
Wiredlessexplain lost?17:53
konttoriWell, as I switched from xp to osx, I didn't take my addresses and stuff with me.17:54
Wiredlessyou have the addresses in apples address book?17:54
Wiredlessahhh17:54
konttoriwiredless: I sent you an email. Tell me how it works when you receive it.17:54
Wiredlessok17:54
konttoriYeah. well, now I have.17:54
Wiredlesswill do17:54
konttoriPreviously I had them in thunderbird17:55
konttoricool. thanks.17:55
Wiredlessi ment did you do the new maemo 2006 update17:55
konttoriI did it. yeah17:55
konttorinothing special.17:55
konttoribug fix release17:55
Wiredlessi see17:55
konttoribut nice of them to release it17:55
Wiredlessnotice any inhancements to opera?17:55
Wiredlesssure would like to see better flash support17:56
Jaffa"Stability improvements" apparently17:56
Wiredlessyes true17:56
X-FadeI wish you could do the update via Applicatation Installer.17:56
Wiredlessyou guys read the list of improvements?17:56
JaffaYou're not going to get a new Flash anytime soon.17:56
konttoriyeah17:56
JaffaYeah17:56
Wiredlesskon did you use the OSX flasher?17:56
konttoriyeah17:57
konttorithe andrews one17:57
konttoriworked well17:57
Wiredlesshmmm17:57
X-FadeHmmm maemo.org down?17:57
Wiredlessversion number?17:57
konttori2.2006.39 something.17:58
TakX-Fade: I can't hit it either17:58
Wiredlessno the flasher lol17:58
konttorioh. 2.017:58
Wiredlessi can access maemo.org here in us17:59
Takoh - it finally loaded, after like 120s17:59
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* Tak is in texas17:59
X-FadeIt times out for me ;)18:00
Takhmm18:00
Tak"Improved quality of WLAN connections?"18:00
JaffaDon't knock it18:00
konttorihttp://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/Media%20Converter%20PPC.zip18:00
Wiredlessmy connection have been fine18:00
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Takhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/Tp0ezf24.html18:00
konttoriwiredless: Use that link18:00
Wiredlessok18:01
X-FadeHmm and bugzilla has a dead mysql table :)18:01
JaffaTak: i.e. http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-announce/2006-November/000030.html18:01
Wiredlessgot it18:01
TakJaffa: I'm reading that now18:01
TakI'm just wondering what "improved quality" means18:01
Jaffa"Better" ;-)18:01
Takheh18:02
Wiredlessman i dont look forward to flashing18:02
Takif I could connect to a WEP+PEAP LAN, I think I'd orgasm right now18:02
TakLOL - "finger usage improvements"18:02
* Tak looks at hands18:02
Wiredlesskonttori theme working ok?18:03
Wiredlessthemes18:03
Wiredlesswonder if search applet still crashes the tablet using a bt keyboard18:04
Wiredlessand disable that damn tableteer page on operaload18:04
Wiredlessso does doing a backup restore your phone setup as well?18:05
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mgedminthe backup doesn't seem to include /etc/apt/sources.list?18:30
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Wiredlesshours of fun18:30
Wiredless>working on adding repositorys18:31
mgedminkonttori: you have upgraded already, can you confirm that application repositories are not restored from the backup?18:32
Wiredlessthey arent!18:33
Wiredlessgaaaaaaaaaaah18:33
Wiredlesslol18:33
mgedminsomebody file a bug!18:33
Wiredlesswell let me say they werent for me18:33
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Wiredlessahh for christ sakes18:34
Wiredlessi aded repositorys one at a time18:34
Wiredlessas to make sure each was good as i went along18:34
Wiredlessnow i get the unable to refresh18:34
Wiredlessgeeze18:34
Takthat's ok, I ended up removing most of mine one at a time as they all ended up being broken at various periods18:34
TakWiredless: check the log to see which one is b0rk18:34
Wiredlessheh will do18:35
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konttoriAre you guys able to install anything from the repos?18:41
konttoriI am not?18:41
dwdAnyone fancy being a beta tester for me?18:41
Wiredlessil try con18:41
konttoriwiredless: did the MC work ?18:41
guru3dwd: beta testing what?18:41
konttoriwiredless: I haven't tested themes yet?18:41
dwdguru3: A little email client. Read-only for now.18:41
Wiredlessyou havent?18:42
guru3what type of email?18:42
Wiredlessi was asking had you18:42
dwdguru3: IMAP. Lemonade, actually, but it'll run on any IMAP server.18:42
Wiredlessi just installed xterm fine18:42
guru3gui or console?18:42
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dwdguru3: GUI.18:43
guru3is it faster than the built in one?18:43
guru3or really, what's the advantage over the built in one?18:43
Jaffaguru3: Presumably, it's an actual email client, rather than a waste of bytes18:44
dwdguru3: It's full IMAP, plus Lemonade, ultra-low bandwidth, multi-account, multi-folder, and it supports configuration OTA.18:44
dwdJaffa: :-)18:44
guru3heh18:44
Wiredlesskonttori i just installed my aqua theme. no problems18:44
guru3speaking of better than built in apps18:44
guru3is there like firefox for the 770?18:45
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dwdguru3: Shares addressbooks with both my desktop email client and Mulberry via ACAP, too.18:45
Jaffaguru3: Minimo is a Mozilla-based browser for the 77018:45
Jaffadwd: any chance of POP3 support at some point?18:45
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konttoriwiredless: great to hear that themes are working18:45
WiredlessYES18:45
konttoriguru3: there is minimo (uses same engine as firefox)18:45
Jaffadwd: gmail does POP (though I go through http://www.bleb.org/tools/ginbox/)18:46
Wiredlessi realy wan a webcore based browser18:46
dwdJaffa: Probably not - POP3 isn't really suitable for small devices, nor mobile devices.18:46
guru3i wish gmail did imap18:46
Jaffadwd: I wouldn't have considered IMAP really that much better, TBH.18:46
dwdJaffa: You can get IMAP servers that talk to POP3 backends, though.18:46
dwdJaffa: Oh, it's *much* better.18:47
Jaffaguru3: theoretically, ginbox could be modified to spit out IMAP, I 'spose.18:47
konttorijaffa: Imap rocks, as you are able to move messages in the server with ease (even between multiple accounts). Folder support rocks as well for archiving purposes18:47
Jaffakonttori: yeah, but none of that is particularly relevant to mobile devices particularly18:48
dwdkonttori: Put it this way, IMAP is the core of Lemonade, which is likely to be the OMA's choice for mobile device email.18:48
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guru3is there anyway to get like the default buttons on the side say for webbrowser to open up something else?18:49
Jaffadwd: OMA?18:49
dwdJaffa: Open Mobile Alliance.18:49
dwdJaffa: IMAP also allows things like pulling a message summary in a handful of bytes compared to POP3.18:49
Jaffadwd: there's "TOP ..." ;-)18:49
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Takthe big bonus to IMAP for mobile devices IMO is that you don't have to download all your mail just to browse through it18:50
dwdJaffa: Yes, I know. But TOP pulls acorss the entire header, whereas IMAP's ENVELOPE pulls across much, much less.18:50
Jaffadwd: Good point.18:51
dwdJaffa: On top of that, POP requires polling, whereas IMAP allows push.18:52
dwdJaffa: And IMAP supports multiple clients way better than POP - unless you *only* read your email on the 770, you probably want IMAP.18:54
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Jaffadwd: POP's not too bad for that now (at least with my limited use cases)18:54
dwdJaffa: Here you go, something to read: http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/pop3-mobiles.html18:56
JaffaThanks19:01
dwdJaffa: Incidentally, my little email client copes fine over GPRS with pretty large mailboxes. There's some slowdown due to pygtk, but I use it for ~35k message mailboxes quite a bit and it's not too bad. On the desktop, it uses wxPython, and I've yet to find a mailbox it can't handle.19:04
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mgedminhmm19:09
smarcoweveryone busy trying the new release :)?19:09
smarcowcrap, i cant insmod the ext3 module that comes with it19:11
Veggen new rlease?19:12
smarcowyes, 06 update19:12
Veggen ah. on gprs from 770 here..on a train.19:13
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mgedminhey, who broke the maemo bugzilla?19:16
mgedminI especially like this bit:19:16
mgedmin"For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error."19:16
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tkomgedmin, please file a bug.. oh, wait19:20
tko:)19:20
tkoyou could mention the lack of address in the list, though19:20
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Wiredlesswhats the command to copy the contents of one folder to anothe folder?19:49
Wiredlesscp -r?19:49
sam`yes19:49
Wiredlesshmm19:50
Takcp -R will copy the folder itself and all the contents19:50
Wiredlessrather than copying the contents of the folder its copying the folder19:50
Wiredlessok19:50
Takcp -R sourcefolder/* destfolder19:50
Wiredlesshow do i not copy the folder just all the contents?19:50
sp3000use a gui ;)19:51
Wiredlessha ha19:51
pv2bcd sourcefolder19:51
pv2bcp -R . destfolder19:51
pv2bi think19:52
TakI win :-P19:52
Wiredlessk will give that a whirl19:52
Wiredlessthanks all19:52
tkochangelog for the new release? must've been a mistake :-]19:52
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Wiredlesshow so19:53
tkoit's the first release to have a changelog that detailed :)19:54
sp3000well, strictly speaking, * doesn't match everything... :)19:54
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Takgood point19:57
mgedminmidnight commander is the best answer for this ;)19:57
pv2bi prefer just using an electron microscope and a heavy-duty horse-shoe magnet19:57
Wiredlessha ha ha19:58
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saerdnaeris there an howto for upgrading to the new it2006 release without lousing data?20:02
Wiredlessanswer no20:03
Wiredlessbest you can do is use backup app20:03
Wiredlessand thats minamal at best20:03
mgedminpv2b: but does it work on flash memory?20:05
Wiredless?20:05
mgedminmaybe a prism for focusing ultraviolet rays from the sun...20:05
mgedminactually I've no idea how flash ram works20:05
Takcd /home; tar cvf /media/mmc1/homebackup.tar user; flash_image; cd /home; tar xvf /media/mmc1/homebackup.tar;      ?20:06
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pv2bTak: way too complicated.20:08
* Tak shrugs20:09
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saerdnaerwhat does this "user" means?20:20
saerdnaerah okay20:20
saerdnaerso just copy the home directory from one to anonter image20:20
saerdnaeran how can in mount my flash rootfs, if i boot from mmc?20:21
konttoriwiredless: did you have a chance to test out the media converter that I sent a link for?20:23
konttoriIf it works, I'll add that to the public.20:24
Wiredlessno sir20:24
konttoriwould be great if you could do a test run20:24
Wiredlessstill trying to reinstall everything on the 77020:24
konttoriok. well, lemme know when you have the time to try it out20:24
Taksaerdnaer: note, I have not tried this and cannot testify to its effectiveness; it's just an off-the-top-of-my-head suggestion20:24
Wiredlesscan i convert a mv4 movie20:25
saerdnaermy flash rootfs doesn't wort either, so i will copy the whole rootfs on my hd and try part for part20:25
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konttoriWiredless: yeah20:33
Wiredlessok will give that a try in a bit20:33
konttoriI just tested new images video capabilities. at least it plays all videos that Media converter makes (except for the excellent 400x240 mplayer resolution)20:34
konttorithanks20:34
Wiredlesskon any settings i need to adjust?20:39
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konttorinope20:41
konttorijust dragndrop a file and press convert20:41
Wiredlessfailed20:41
konttorioh. shame20:42
konttoritry with 30 sec preview20:42
Wiredlesscould be me20:42
konttoriwhat kind of file did you try?20:42
Wiredless a .mov20:42
konttorihmm... quicktime files are a bit tricky20:43
Wiredlesswell that was my question befor20:43
Wiredlesswhats best to start out with20:43
konttorippc mencoder in the package may be a bit old. I can try to seek a newer one.20:43
konttoriwell, about any avi file should be a good test20:43
Wiredlessthink i have the newist installed20:43
konttoridivx file for example20:43
Wiredlesscould that be the problem?20:44
konttorimencoder doesn't use computers codeks.20:44
Wiredlessk20:44
konttorimedia converter includes its own mencoder20:44
Wiredlessyou have a divx file you know that will conver20:44
Wiredlessyou could send me via ichat20:44
konttoriso that normal people don't really have to install anything beforehand20:44
Wiredlessgood good20:45
konttorii'm opening ichat now20:45
konttorisearch for Urho Konttori20:45
Wiredlesstomnuk420 is me20:45
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Wiredlessok20:45
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jobihi all21:10
Takugh, I hate the privacy id authentication21:13
tkojobi, I think we should start a 'bug someone every day' campaign until we get decent irc setup :)21:14
jobitko: there is a nice java applet which is an IRC client, maybe we could set this up on maemo.org21:17
jobitko: heard from owen?21:19
tkojobi, there's ircatwork.com but that's just a workaround, we should have normal irc access like normal geeks21:19
tunedihi, has anyone used osso_iap_connect() to create connection? i'm having issues with it, missing the event/signals21:20
tkojobi, he posted to the list, you might want to clarify the use case21:20
Takare they blocking 6667 or what?21:22
* suihkulokki .oO( apt-get install corkscrew )21:23
TakI was thinking, there's also 7000 and 800121:24
tkolet's just say company culture isn't emphasizing community involvement21:24
Takheh21:24
jobitko: can you bounce the mail to me?21:25
jobijobi@via.ecp.fr21:25
tkohmm, apparently not.. stupid gmail. I'll do it tomorrow21:27
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jobitko: ok21:28
jobiseems my mail server is dead anyway21:28
tkohmm, you could download the mbox file from http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/index.html21:29
jobiok21:29
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netmaskhello21:31
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tigerttko, grassroots  work is being done all the time :)21:37
suihkulokkiguys you can start holding breath on maemo/armel compatible sbox 1.0 release ;)21:38
tkotigert, two-three years and counting, actually..21:39
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Takisn't it already armel compatible?  or am I missing something?21:40
tigerttko, yea. but  stuff will happen.21:40
tigertthe small steps suck though when you yourself know how to walk already...21:41
suihkulokkihere we go: http://scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-apophis/21:43
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tkoyeah, my patience it getting thin.. I'm idly looking for web hosting that would include ssh access :-]21:45
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