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| rev | Tak: nope, can't do vmware- i've got OS X w/ a PPC. i don't want to go buy a copy of virtual pc, but that'd be an option. | 19:37 |
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| Tak | hmm - there's no scratchbox for ppc? | 19:38 |
| rev | well, good question | 19:39 |
| rev | i've not found any talk of anyone doing dev on a PPC OS X machine | 19:39 |
| rev | i've not tried compiling it, though, so i can't say with any certainty if it works or not | 19:40 |
| bedboi | anoyne evere used the bluetooth xkbd | 19:40 |
| bedboi | s/evere/ever | 19:41 |
| rev | though i've had experience with the past using cross-dev SDKs on non-supported platforms that suggests to me that i shouldn't bother unless i want to deal with a bunch of annoying little bugs ... stuff that people just didn't expect and dont' know what do wo with once i've discovered the problems. hence, i'd rather just be using a vanilla linux/x86 env. | 19:41 |
| * Tak shrugs | 19:41 | |
| rev | i'll find a machine eventually. :) | 19:42 |
| Tak | it's only gcc and a bunch of well-ported libs | 19:42 |
| rev | if i wait long enough i'll have an intel mac, though not for a couple months still | 19:42 |
| rev | well | 19:42 |
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| rev | looks like scratchbox requires an x86 platform | 19:42 |
| Tak | ah - :-/ | 19:43 |
| _follower_ | rev: have you looked at Q/qemu? | 19:47 |
| _follower_ | i got the Ubuntu 5.X live cd running on it the other day | 19:47 |
| rev | _follower_: not for a while... sounds painfully slow- my machine is only 1.33 ghz. | 19:47 |
| _follower_ | (as an x86) | 19:47 |
| rev | well, it's worth a try, i suppose, eh? | 19:48 |
| _follower_ | yeah, probably might be--i was running it on a 1.6 | 19:48 |
| rev | or bochs for that matter, similarily godawfullyslow | 19:48 |
| _follower_ | 1.66Ghz | 19:48 |
| _follower_ | and it was "usable" for small values of usable | 19:48 |
| rev | yeah | 19:48 |
| _follower_ | but i don't know how scratchbox would go... | 19:48 |
| rev | well, i'd prolly axe the gui and be working out of the commandline | 19:48 |
| rev | is this what you're using? http://www.kju-app.org/kju/ | 19:49 |
| _follower_ | i'd think that should at least be passable in that case | 19:49 |
| rev | yeah | 19:49 |
| Tak | bochs is goofy, particularly the 2GB limit | 19:49 |
| Tak | although I suppose you don't really need >2GB just for scratchbox | 19:49 |
| _follower_ | Rev: yeah | 19:49 |
| rev | Tak: 2 GB FS limit? | 19:49 |
| Tak | last time I played with it | 19:49 |
| rev | ah ok | 19:49 |
| rev | well, like you said, that might not matter for me | 19:49 |
| _follower_ | that frontend is quite a nice wrapper for it | 19:49 |
| rev | _follower_: it looks pretty nice | 19:50 |
| _follower_ | and i've never gotten as far as running anything as far in bochs or previous versions of Q* i've tried | 19:50 |
| rev | ok... well, i'll try this one then first. | 19:50 |
| _follower_ | i was quite impressed--and for the first time in a while could see a benefit in having a faster machine. :-) | 19:50 |
| _follower_ | rev: i'd be interested to see if it was practical to develop on... | 19:51 |
| rev | _follower_: i'll let you know. i won't be doing very intensive development- mostly just compiling some small stuff. most of my 770 dev will be using squeak smalltalk- but i need to get some stuff added to the port of squeak | 19:51 |
| rev | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/1.0/i386/ | 19:52 |
| rev | that seems to be the sdk | 19:52 |
| rev | but an old one | 19:52 |
| rev | erm | 19:52 |
| _follower_ | rev: cool. maybe post to the list if you have success... | 19:52 |
| rev | sorry | 19:52 |
| rev | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/2.0/i386/ | 19:52 |
| rev | if you need it yourself, _follower_ | 19:53 |
| rev | will do | 19:53 |
| _follower_ | cheers | 19:53 |
| * rev needs to clear up some diskspace! | 19:53 | |
| _follower_ | on a completely unrelated note: w00t i just got a 555 IC-based LED flasher working... :-) | 19:56 |
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| Tak | very nice | 19:56 |
| _follower_ | (without blowing anything up--hardware makes me nervous :-) ) | 19:56 |
| rev | yay! | 19:56 |
| rev | is that the stepping stone to something else, _follower_? perhaps adding usb to your nokia? | 19:57 |
| _follower_ | i also discovered that trimpots don't fit into breadboards overly well (thus the cause of an initial non-functional result) | 19:57 |
| rev | :0 | 19:57 |
| rev | er :) | 19:57 |
| _follower_ | rev: nothing specific, just another attempt to improve my hardware knowledge... who know what it'll lead too.. | 19:58 |
| _follower_ | funny the satisfaction a little blinking light can give :-D | 19:58 |
| rev | ah, cool | 19:58 |
| rev | heh, i know the feeling | 19:58 |
| rev | i taught myself simple electronics when i was a kid, and keep meaning to re-learn it | 19:59 |
| rev | but the thought of doing SMT kind of scares me | 19:59 |
| rev | and SMT is what so many little kids contain these days | 19:59 |
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| _follower_ | was that kids or kits? :-) | 19:59 |
| rev | haha | 19:59 |
| rev | both? | 19:59 |
| rev | i wanted to build a little RF tracking device for a model rocket, but i know my soldering skills just aren't good enough for SMT | 19:59 |
| _follower_ | yeah... | 20:00 |
| _follower_ | in the back of my mind i've been thinking about the gumstix setups | 20:00 |
| rev | that'd be fun | 20:00 |
| rev | i wish it were easier to make your PDA using one of those | 20:00 |
| rev | get the exact screensize that you'd want, etc | 20:00 |
| _follower_ | hmmm... | 20:01 |
| shapr | I wish it were easier to build any kind of hardware at home. | 20:01 |
| rev | i mean, i don't know what i mean by "i wish it were easier..." i don't expect them to make a kit for me- i just wish i had the skills and equipment to do that | 20:01 |
| rev | shapr: indeed | 20:01 |
| rev | that is a serious barrier | 20:01 |
| shapr | Related article - http://lwn.net/Articles/203562/ | 20:01 |
| _follower_ | yeah, it's easier to blow stuff up permanently which always makes me nervous... | 20:02 |
| rev | quite | 20:02 |
| _follower_ | mistakes are a little more costly than in software... | 20:02 |
| shapr | But that wouldn't be true if we had specs/docs for hardware. | 20:02 |
| rev | yeah, it'd sure be nice if we had that for anything and everything | 20:03 |
| daniels | you can still make mistake | 20:03 |
| daniels | s | 20:03 |
| shapr | I'd like to reverse engineer the cx3110x wifi chip in the 770, but am not brave enough to risk frying it. | 20:03 |
| rev | surely you could do that without killing your 770? maybe getting the chip and mounting it on some other dev board? | 20:03 |
| rev | which isn't to say that it'd still cost more money and hassle than if you just had the specs | 20:03 |
| _follower_ | (it's *still* blinking... :-) ) | 20:04 |
| rev | _follower_: yay! | 20:04 |
| _follower_ | yeah, that's the whole thing with reverse engineering | 20:04 |
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| _follower_ | it's fun but it's also a little depressing that there's probably a file somewhere with all the infromation you need... | 20:04 |
| _follower_ | rev: actually, now that i think of it, there was a slight connection, my long term idea is something like: 770 + (blutooth/wifi) + gumstix + electric toy car + webcam = fun... | 20:06 |
| _follower_ | and i think i need to improve my electronic knowledge for the gumstix/car interface :-) | 20:06 |
| rev | heh | 20:07 |
| daniels | _follower_: not always. at least, for video cards, there's one company that can write specs. the others are not helpful at all. | 20:07 |
| daniels | _follower_: the longest part of radeon development has been trying to figure out the random undocumented errata (they used to get the windows dev team to document it, and told us; now they don't speak to us). if you change the clocks on a certain asic revision, you have to wrap it in dummy register reads and writes, else the chip will lock up randomly later down the track. so you have no idea that it was the clock changes ... | 20:08 |
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| rev | why don't they speak to you anymore? | 20:09 |
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| rev | was there a falling out, or just because they're dicks? | 20:09 |
| _follower_ | daniels: intersting... | 20:10 |
| _follower_ | rev: heh, just thought of a gratuitous 770 connection: i could try to use the headfone output to trigger the flasher :-) | 20:11 |
| daniels | jerome spent six whole months working on one particular bug, where a certain revision of the radeon 9600 would lock up on boot. he got 11mb of register-dump logs from windows startup, and spent the whole rest of the time isolating the differences. in the end, it was one (undocumented) bit in one register, but working out which isn't exactly trivial ... | 20:11 |
| daniels | rev: six of these, half a dozen of the other | 20:12 |
| * rev nods | 20:12 | |
| rev | _follower_: just don't get some blowback and fry your 770! | 20:12 |
| _follower_ | rev: yeah, well, there is that... :-/ | 20:12 |
| rev | daniels: man, what a horrorstory | 20:12 |
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| rev | i can't imagine having the willpower to work on something so ... not fun like that | 20:13 |
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| daniels | rev: that's why no-one did for a year ;) | 20:13 |
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| _follower_ | so did jerome do it because he enjoyed it, needed it or some other reason? | 20:13 |
| daniels | partially because he enjoyed it and partially because it needed to be done. just in his spare time. dude's a ninja. | 20:14 |
| rev | he must be | 20:15 |
| _follower_ | cool. i can understand the attraction of the challenge... :-) | 20:15 |
| rev | yeah, it could be fun in a perverse way | 20:19 |
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| littlefae | /me yawns, then wakes up. | 20:56 |
| rev | hey littlefae | 20:57 |
| littlefae | Hello | 20:57 |
| littlefae | Would you happen to know why maemo-mapper won't start up? | 20:57 |
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| rev | hrmmm | 20:58 |
| rev | no clue | 20:58 |
| rev | run it from a terminal | 20:58 |
| rev | see if it quits with an error | 20:58 |
| littlefae | Oooh, good point, didn't think about that | 20:58 |
| keesj | perhaps even start it command line? | 20:59 |
| keesj | I know there was a x.x.2 and now x.x.3 because there was a serious bug. make sure you have the latsed version | 21:00 |
| littlefae | Found out, not very useful | 21:04 |
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| littlefae | "Segmentation Fault" | 21:04 |
| _follower_ | ah, that'll be your problem then... :-) | 21:05 |
| rev | there you go! :) | 21:05 |
| _follower_ | rev: apparently we two smart-asses think alike :-) | 21:05 |
| littlefae | DOesn't slve anything though | 21:06 |
| littlefae | Still won't start. ;p | 21:07 |
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| littlefae | And this is the newest version | 21:07 |
| rev | _follower_: hehe, works for me... ;) | 21:10 |
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| keesj | any serial communication guru's in the house? | 21:20 |
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| florian | re | 21:28 |
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| rev | oi | 21:29 |
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| |paul| | hello guys | 21:32 |
| |paul| | i got a bad news | 21:32 |
| Tak | is the sky falling? | 21:33 |
| |paul| | this evening i have broken the display of nokia 770 | 21:33 |
| littlefae | I knew it | 21:33 |
| Tak | ouch | 21:33 |
| littlefae | They aren't very durable looking.. How'd you manage yours? | 21:33 |
| |paul| | a little more pression with the pencil and it's gone | 21:33 |
| |paul| | how can i solve the problem now ? | 21:34 |
| |paul| | it's not possible view nothing on the screen | 21:34 |
| |paul| | where can i buy the display ? | 21:34 |
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| littlefae | Nokia Authorised Repairs? | 21:34 |
| |paul| | anyone have had the same problem ? | 21:35 |
| |paul| | and how many euros ? | 21:35 |
| |paul| | i payd 377 euros | 21:35 |
| Tak | I would think it'd be cheaper to get a new unit than to replace the display | 21:36 |
| rev | yeah | 21:36 |
| Tak | wow - are they a lot more expensive there, or is the difference VAT? | 21:36 |
| |paul| | for us in italy 20% of vat | 21:37 |
| keesj | my 770 was 200euro :) | 21:37 |
| rev | keesj: where'd you buy it? | 21:37 |
| Whiz | dev piece :D | 21:37 |
| rev | ahh ok | 21:37 |
| |paul| | yes, your a developer | 21:38 |
| |paul| | i not | 21:38 |
| littlefae | You know, the closest spec screen I can find, without the touch-panel, is almost 50% the cost of the device.. o.o | 21:38 |
| keesj | just a normal shop in beverwijk | 21:38 |
| |paul| | so the display is more expensive tha the full nokia 770 ? | 21:38 |
| littlefae | Not quite, but certainly a massive chunk though | 21:39 |
| |paul| | and my job that is inside ? | 21:39 |
| |paul| | i have not my job only on the mmc, but too on the memory of nokia 770 | 21:40 |
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| |paul| | is there any possibility to read the memory of the nokia 770 | 21:41 |
| Tak | mine was ~250 eur | 21:41 |
| Tak | (bought in US) | 21:41 |
| littlefae | I would've thought it possible to connect to the device using USB, without the mmc installed, as a 'mass storage device' provided nothing else is damaged. | 21:42 |
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| |paul| | for a moment left to stay the lcd | 21:43 |
| |paul| | i got the nokia 770 | 21:43 |
| |paul| | with 64 vmb of ram | 21:43 |
| daniels | unfortunately that's not possible. i think there's a solution for getting usb networking up, but that's it. | 21:43 |
| Tak | does it still register clicks? | 21:43 |
| Tak | you could maybe connect the wifi, then ssh into it | 21:44 |
| |paul| | this is a stupid think | 21:44 |
| |paul| | i have not ssh installed on nokia 770 | 21:44 |
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| rev | i don't know why, but i had thought the 770 had usb host- it was one of the reasons i bought it instead of a zaurus (which has USB host) | 21:45 |
| rev | |paul|: no ssh, VNC, nothing? | 21:45 |
| rev | d'oh! | 21:45 |
| |paul| | how many euro i can pay the lcd ? | 21:45 |
| |paul| | no, no one othis | 21:45 |
| |paul| | only vorbis and xchat | 21:46 |
| daniels | i doubt it's that easily available, it's a pretty specialised part. | 21:46 |
| |paul| | 150 euro ? 200 euro ? | 21:46 |
| keesj | paul . I don't understand , you need data that is stored on the nokia ( and not the mmc) | 21:46 |
| keesj | ? | 21:46 |
| |paul| | correct | 21:46 |
| smarcow | talking about parts, does anyone have a idea where to get a headphone-jack. the nokia repair center wont help me | 21:46 |
| littlefae | Shame the MMC doesn't support autorun. | 21:47 |
| littlefae | Could've put a script on to copy the data off, on insertion | 21:47 |
| |paul| | never more i buy a dev nokia | 21:47 |
| |paul| | as nokia 770 | 21:47 |
| |paul| | is not as imagine too much limits | 21:47 |
| |paul| | all thinks not free software that ask only ram | 21:48 |
| |paul| | no ffmpeg2theora | 21:48 |
| littlefae | I love mine to bits, but I hope that won't end up literal. :S | 21:48 |
| |paul| | to see any movie | 21:48 |
| tko | daniels, you must know, is there a bzr mirror for gtk somewhere? | 21:49 |
| |paul| | no gcc, no gdb, no emacs, no xterm, i must put xterm | 21:49 |
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| daniels | tko: nope, launchpad hasn't imported it | 21:49 |
| bedboi | anyone had success using the xkbd-bt (using n770 as a bluetooth keyboard) | 21:50 |
| bedboi | ? | 21:50 |
| littlefae | xterm is available, just wish telnet or tinyfugue was. | 21:50 |
| |paul| | x window sys is limited | 21:50 |
| tko | so much for supermirror of everything everywhere | 21:50 |
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| |paul| | workplaces there are not | 21:50 |
| |paul| | is not multitasking | 21:50 |
| daniels | tko: yeah, we were meant to have arch imports of the entire world by october 2004. whoops ... | 21:50 |
| tko | oh well, I'll just keep on waiting for gnome to do the svn migration... | 21:50 |
| tko | :) | 21:50 |
| |paul| | you can't to do two things in the same time | 21:50 |
| |paul| | but only one for time | 21:50 |
| daniels | tko: svn's a done deal? | 21:51 |
| waite | quick questoin I am having trouble finding an updated answer to.Is there a calendaring app that works well on the 770? I saw mixed reviews on GPE calendar | 21:51 |
| littlefae | bedbol: Going to try that now, to my Mac | 21:51 |
| littlefae | And, walte, I love the GPE calendar. :) | 21:51 |
| waite | littlefae, great does it support syncing? | 21:52 |
| |paul| | i must go to eat | 21:52 |
| smarcow | waite, i liked "dates" most, it has a nice zoom and (very basic) scheduling | 21:52 |
| daniels | tko: i don't know how automated the process is these days, but maybe it'll get imported if you put the details in at https://launchpad.net/products/gtk/head/+source | 21:52 |
| tko | daniels, I consider it a first step to real version control :) | 21:52 |
| |paul| | and tomorrow there is the gnu/linux day | 21:52 |
| waite | smarcow, URL? | 21:52 |
| daniels | tko: although last i saw their import didn't do branches, only development along HEAD ... | 21:52 |
| tko | (once you have atomic commits, converting to any other system is more simple) | 21:52 |
| daniels | tko: right | 21:52 |
| |paul| | for me it's as there is not | 21:52 |
| littlefae | Not to my knowledge, but supports ics files, which my iCal uses | 21:52 |
| smarcow | waite, check the application page on maemo.org | 21:52 |
| daniels | tko: keithp's parsecvs does really well, though; it imported all of xorg (including branches) into git | 21:52 |
| waite | little,fae ok Thx I can always rsync | 21:52 |
| daniels | tko: so i guess you could use parsecvs to git, then tailor from git to bzr ... kind of a hack though. | 21:53 |
| |paul| | i am paying internet now to chat with you | 21:53 |
| smarcow | it more like a monologue | 21:53 |
| littlefae | Where is this BT keyboard app, on garage or AppRep2006? | 21:53 |
| waite | smarcow, I was looking at the 1.1 apps on that page. Now I see more. | 21:53 |
| |paul| | stupid think not use the full sys via shell | 21:53 |
| tko | daniels, yeah, so I've heard.. but since the aim is at svn now (at somewhat stalled at that) I don't think it's a good idea to start suggesting other things | 21:53 |
| bedboi | littlefae: check the application catalog 2006 | 21:54 |
| |paul| | so first i must buy the new display | 21:54 |
| bedboi | i have some problems compiling it on my desktop | 21:54 |
| daniels | tko: parsecvs, then tailor from git to svn? ;) | 21:54 |
| |paul| | and then put the tools | 21:54 |
| littlefae | Oh, one of those is it? | 21:54 |
| smarcow | is anyone able to send files to your cell via blutooth? my 770 cannot detect the free mem on the cell and says "not enough free space". | 21:54 |
| littlefae | I have to be frank, I don't compile.. | 21:54 |
| waite | littlefae, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-bt-plugin/ | 21:54 |
| |paul| | is easy i done many times | 21:55 |
| |paul| | from nokia 770 and cell phone | 21:55 |
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| littlefae | Wouldn't mind a gcc for the 770, so I could try compiling tinyfugue on this handheld | 21:56 |
| bedboi | i didn't understood if the xkbd-bt should work without pairing with the device | 21:56 |
| keesj | xkbd-bt is different I think | 21:56 |
| |paul| | http://www.linuxdayroma.org/ | 21:57 |
| bedboi | keesj: i had some problems compiling (i had to #if 0 a section of code) | 21:57 |
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| |paul| | bye bye | 21:58 |
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| daniels | littlefae: you can extract it from the development sbox bits, but you don't have enough space on the 770 rootfs | 21:59 |
| keesj | the xkbt is for serial based communication right? | 21:59 |
| keesj | daniels, sorry /me wrong | 22:00 |
| bedboi | keesj: the doc is not clear about how to set the PC side | 22:00 |
| * keesj was confused with btkb | 22:01 | |
| bedboi | i would like to know if someone had success using it... | 22:01 |
| bedboi | i would like to use that to go back and forth in my slides for tomorrow | 22:02 |
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| florian | hi mallum | 22:27 |
| tko | getting crowded in here :) | 22:29 |
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| tko | mallum, did lemody mention my idea for matchbox taking care of closing menus? one hack less in gtk... =) | 22:31 |
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| keesj | how should it happen if the app is not gtk based? | 22:34 |
| keesj | tko, where is the keyboard code located? | 22:34 |
| tko | keesj, top s3cr1t, sorry | 22:35 |
| daniels | well, for bluetooth keyboards, the answer is the kernel, hidd, the x server, the x libraries, gtk, the input method, ... | 22:37 |
| daniels | so if we're going to better not answer your question, you'll have to be a little more specific ;) | 22:37 |
| keesj | yes, sorry for that , I was talking about the on-screen keyboard, who pop's that up it that in gtk , hildon, matchbox? | 22:38 |
| tko | hildon immodule for gtk working together with the vkb app - neither one is open source | 22:39 |
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| keesj | is there an api (some kind of readline) | 22:40 |
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| tko | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/InputMethod | 22:41 |
| littlefae | I can't get that xkbd-bt thing to install | 22:41 |
| littlefae | Incompatible with OS 2006 | 22:42 |
| littlefae | Least thats what I'm being told | 22:42 |
| bedboi | you have to get the 2006 version | 22:43 |
| bedboi | *_armel.deb | 22:43 |
| keesj | tko, thanks | 22:43 |
| mallum | hey florian, tko | 22:43 |
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| daniels | evening mr. allum | 22:55 |
| littlefae | Still no luck | 22:56 |
| littlefae | I surrender, and am going back to trying to pass Mah-Jongg. :p | 22:57 |
| littlefae | Oooh | 22:57 |
| littlefae | AH, never mind | 22:57 |
| littlefae | Going to try Scummvm, I love mobile versions of my fave games. | 23:00 |
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| littlefae | EEEEK | 23:19 |
| littlefae | How do I slow it down? o.O | 23:19 |
| tko | w00t? something is too *fast* on 770? | 23:20 |
| littlefae | Seriously... Monkey Island 2, through ScummVM on 770 was running faster than the music, the whole intro screen took 1 second | 23:21 |
| littlefae | Must've ben a fluke | 23:23 |
| tko | can't recall such thing while playing it through, though I might've done it on IT2005.. I forget | 23:25 |
| littlefae | I'm in heaven | 23:26 |
| littlefae | Monkey Island takes me back to when I was lil | 23:26 |
| * koen looks at the "monkey island bounty pack" on the shelf | 23:26 | |
| * koen looks at his 770 | 23:26 | |
| vidar | monkey island rocks hard. :D | 23:27 |
| vidar | i played through the whole series again a year or two ago. brought back memories. | 23:27 |
| littlefae | It's great on a handheld too, specially a touch-sensitive one. | 23:28 |
| vidar | day of the tentacle is also recommended, by the way. | 23:28 |
| littlefae | I played it on my other Linux handheld, the GP2X | 23:28 |
| littlefae | I want Maniac Mansion too | 23:28 |
| koen | and BASS of course | 23:28 |
| littlefae | Got that | 23:29 |
| * koen still doesn't own a legal copy of DOTT | 23:29 | |
| tko | I never really played monkey island.. the scary thing is that I could probably still play indy 3 and 4 through from memory :) | 23:29 |
| tko | and dott | 23:29 |
| koen | tko: I loved the "put ladder in jacketpocket" in indy4 | 23:29 |
| tko | yeah, that was weird | 23:30 |
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| tko | http://np237.livejournal.com/10846.html :) | 23:34 |
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| Kup | hi :) | 23:47 |
| Kup | http://mail.vdst.rwth-aachen.de/kup/idea.png | 23:48 |
| tko | neat | 23:50 |
| Kup | just started working on it | 23:51 |
| Kup | or if you think about this theme, just look at internettablettalk forums | 23:52 |
| Kup | you can download it there | 23:52 |
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| ferenc | hello | 23:53 |
| koen | hey ferenc | 23:53 |
| Kup | hi | 23:53 |
| ferenc | check out test.maemo.org if you are interested some early stage of the new layout. | 23:59 |
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