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| Jaffa | Hmm, anyone had any luck with Mediastreamer on a 770 and the new UPnP server in MythTV? | 00:39 |
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| FireSt0rM | Hi ppl. Anyone know what the profile file is for ash on the 770? | 01:13 |
| FireSt0rM | I tried ~/.profile and /etc/profile, but neither work | 01:13 |
| JussiP | Ash reads profile files only when run as the login shell. | 01:23 |
| JussiP | There's a trick around that. It should be in the wiki somewhere. | 01:23 |
| FireSt0rM | Ah yeah... so when I sudo su - | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | It works | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | Cuz it reads the file | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | But I'd also like it to read in non-root | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | I'll search the wiki | 01:24 |
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| FireSt0rM | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-January/000450.html | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | for anyone interested | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | Thanks JussiP | 01:25 |
| FireSt0rM | I searched google but nothing came up | 01:25 |
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| FireSt0rM | Actually | 01:32 |
| FireSt0rM | That didn't work | 01:32 |
| FireSt0rM | lol | 01:32 |
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| saerdnaer | hi | 02:30 |
| saerdnaer | is there a way of creating a backup of the flash storage if the device doesn't boot anymore? | 02:31 |
| FireSt0rM | What happens if you plug it into your computer? | 02:32 |
| saerdnaer | via usb? | 02:33 |
| FireSt0rM | yep | 02:33 |
| saerdnaer | i can use the flasher tool if i like | 02:33 |
| FireSt0rM | I'm not sure if the flasher tool can be used to dump the contents of the memory | 02:34 |
| FireSt0rM | I haven't tried | 02:34 |
| FireSt0rM | But it's a thought | 02:34 |
| saerdnaer | i doesn't find an option which offered this service | 02:34 |
| saerdnaer | i also have the idea of booting from a "rescue disk", i this case a rescue image from my mmc card | 02:35 |
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| saerdnaer | but is there no easier way? | 02:35 |
| FireSt0rM | not that I know of | 02:36 |
| FireSt0rM | But then again I don't know very much | 02:36 |
| FireSt0rM | Wait around and see if one of the l33t ones will give you any tips ;) | 02:36 |
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| saerdnaer | n8 | 03:26 |
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| shapr | Jaffa: Nokia mediastreamer works great with gmediaserver | 04:58 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning from Barcelona | 10:57 |
| AD-N770 | sunny day again | 10:57 |
| Tak | mmm, barcelona | 10:59 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, any thoughts on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24212 ? Does like remarkably 770 like, but no apps'll fit the 320x240 screen if that's what it has. | 11:12 |
| florian_kc | morning | 11:14 |
| Tak | pretty unimpressive | 11:15 |
| Tak | I hope they're planning to sell for <$200 | 11:15 |
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| Jaffa | Tak: faster proc and SD card would make for a better multimedia experience. | 11:17 |
| florian_kc | i bet that this is a fake | 11:18 |
| Tak | at 320x240 on an 8cmx10cm screen? | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | florian_kc: that was my immediate thought | 11:21 |
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| X-Fade | Check this. It is supposed to be the Nokia 330. http://www.gpsandco.com/articles/newsitem.php?id=4644 | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | And I don't think it is a fake, just targets a different market. | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | That claims it's running WinCE.net | 11:24 |
| Tak | the horror | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | The engadget pic made it look more like a 770 in terms of styling than those | 11:24 |
| florian_kc | X-Fade: right, that's not what we would call a 770 successor ;) | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | florian_kc: Not at all :) | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | Or even a backwards, retarded, little cousin. | 11:24 |
| Tak | La grande interrogation est son prix | 11:25 |
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| VRe | I suppose it's something french nokia has made | 11:57 |
| VRe | retarded little cousin would be good naming for it | 11:58 |
| VRe | ..wince.net | 11:59 |
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| Corsac | hi there | 14:16 |
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| koen | tigert: I now see where your midgard experience stems from :) | 14:52 |
| Corsac | mhmh, streaming from vlc to mplayer on the nokia is quite a pain | 14:52 |
| Corsac | well, mplayer is really slow >< | 14:52 |
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| Jaffa | Well, the YouTube video showing the LCARS theme has sold a 770 to a wavering geek at my office. She was impressed before, now she's very tempted. | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | Well that video is pretty sweet ;) | 15:20 |
| Fatal | shame lcars refuses to install for me :/ | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | It worked when I downloaded the deb and dpkg -i'd it. | 15:21 |
| Fatal | ah, yeah, odd with all that unzipping, ohwell :D | 15:23 |
| Fatal | now to try it :D | 15:23 |
| Fatal | EXCELLENT :D | 15:23 |
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| alump | is there any simple way (read: maemo way) to find that is program x running already? | 15:32 |
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| _follower_ | alump: i have a vague recollection about a method using dbus, but i could be imaging it... | 15:48 |
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| robtaylor | Jaffa: ooh, where can i get an lcars theme? | 15:52 |
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| saerdnaer | hi | 15:53 |
| etrunko | robtaylor: http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD.html?title=LCARS_PADD | 15:54 |
| saerdnaer | is there a way of getting my data from flash, if the device does not boot? | 15:54 |
| saerdnaer | i tried to flash all parts of the image, till the rootfs | 15:55 |
| saerdnaer | so i want to boot from another rootfs which is e.g. on the mmc card | 15:56 |
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| saerdnaer | but how can i do this, or is there another way? | 15:56 |
| saerdnaer | or how can i read the error messages which force it to reboot all times? | 15:57 |
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| tigert | koen: ? | 16:37 |
| koen | tigert: you made some comments about midgard and geo stuff a while back | 16:38 |
| tigert | koen: yes | 16:39 |
| tigert | but what do you see now? :) | 16:39 |
| koen | test.maemo.org :) | 16:39 |
| tigert | oh yeah | 16:40 |
| tigert | but my experience does not come from test.maemo.org | 16:40 |
| tigert | it comes from www.mik.fi actually :) | 16:40 |
| tigert | its a nice cms system | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | Am I the only one that finds the whole, Midgard must run as root, a bit scary? :) | 16:42 |
| tigert | but yea, we try to have something nice by integrating things more. like, if you had a garage project, you could then automatically have a easy-to-manage website for it | 16:42 |
| tigert | X-Fade: don't you run apache as root as well? | 16:42 |
| tigert | and well, if you don't so won't midgard - its an apache module plus php code | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Sure, but that has a large user base. | 16:42 |
| tigert | most people dont run apache as root anyway | 16:43 |
| tigert | theres a dedicated user usually | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | I like a lot of functions of Midgard though. | 16:44 |
| tigert | I'd say some random php app is just as scary | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Sure, it drops prifs.. | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | privs even.. | 16:44 |
| tigert | I think midgard does the same? | 16:44 |
| tigert | I am not sure thouhg, I dont know the internals that well | 16:44 |
| tigert | you can ask bergie | 16:44 |
| tigert | his blog is linked from planet maemo | 16:44 |
| tigert | he knows midgard pretty well | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | tigert: I think it does. I'm sure they have security in mind too :) | 16:45 |
| tigert | yea | 16:45 |
| tigert | it's been around for years | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | Unfortunately their website is pretty slow.. | 16:47 |
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| tigert | which one? | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | http://www.midgard-project.org | 16:47 |
| tigert | http://www.midgard-project.org/ ? | 16:47 |
| tigert | its fast for me | 16:47 |
| tigert | perhaps something in between you and the site is slow? | 16:48 |
| tigert | it loaded pretty snappy | 16:48 |
| koen | if(!scandinavion) {sleep 2;} | 16:48 |
| tigert | well, not lighting-fast but ok | 16:48 |
| tigert | koen: :) | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | tigert: Hmm 40ms round trip. But the website seems to sleep for 5 to 10 seconds for every file I get ;) | 16:50 |
| tigert | not that long here | 16:52 |
| tigert | perhaps 2secs like koen revealed :) | 16:52 |
| tigert | but definitely not that long | 16:52 |
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| ab | tigert: midgard doesn't require root priveleges at all | 17:01 |
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| ab | if you could setup your apache w/o them, so be it | 17:02 |
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| tigert | yeah | 17:17 |
| tigert | it requires whatever your apache requires | 17:17 |
| ab | tigert: as far as I remember my code (if it wasn't replaced completely in these 7 years :-) we didn't require root access anywhere in the code. | 17:20 |
| tigert | yea, I would guess so. And why would one? | 17:20 |
| tigert | apache provides most things needed | 17:21 |
| ab | yep | 17:21 |
| ab | in fact, we had a non-apache based variant too. | 17:21 |
| koen | cherokee! | 17:21 |
| ab | :-) | 17:22 |
| ab | no, not a web-server based | 17:22 |
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| X-Fade | ab: I just quoted something from the website ;) | 17:32 |
| ab | :-) | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | "The core of Midgard is written in C for better performance on high-volume sites. This means that Midgard must be installed on a Linux or Unix server with root-level privileges." | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | http://www.midgard-project.org/midgard/1.8/ | 17:33 |
| part | well, if you want to run a web server in port 80, you'll need to have root access | 17:35 |
| koen | part: or a really insecure OS :) | 17:35 |
| part | or that, yes | 17:36 |
| ab | X-Fade: that mostly about installing _library_ | 17:41 |
| ab | and putting Apache's module into apache's dir | 17:41 |
| ab | which is usually done by administrator | 17:41 |
| ab | as opposed to regular PHP apps | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | ab: Yeah, it depends on how you read it. | 17:43 |
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| tigert | yea, thats totally different that "it runs as root" | 19:13 |
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| tigert | anyway, lets see if works out and is useful | 19:14 |
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| inz | uh, midgard... | 19:27 |
| inz | took a while to get a grasp of that one... | 19:28 |
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| d4mi4n | hi | 19:56 |
| d4mi4n | is it possible to escape from inputmode in vi on nokia 770? i have xterm installed and as you might know the virtual console has no esc | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | there is a hardware key that is Esc | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | the one right under the arrows | 19:57 |
| Jaffa | The backwards "G" | 19:57 |
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| d4mi4n | aah thanks a lot... *phhhh* | 19:58 |
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| d4mi4n | is it possible that no /dev/rfcomm0 exists on a brand new 770? a nokia without software except the os installed? | 20:03 |
| koen | it will only exist after you bind something to it, right? | 20:04 |
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| d4mi4n | this makes sense, now i have rfcomm0 | 20:23 |
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| spaetz | mmh, unfortunately a tomtom doesn't seem appropriate as bluetooth gps source | 20:39 |
| spaetz | although it is linux based and apparently you can even log in to it. | 20:40 |
| spaetz | so it *should* be possible to hack something together | 20:40 |
| saerdnaer | you could also use the usb port | 20:41 |
| saerdnaer | but again a little hacking is needed | 20:42 |
| saerdnaer | but if you have a tomtom, why use a n770 | 20:42 |
| saerdnaer | another nice application would be the tomtom navigation software on a n770 ;-) | 20:43 |
| tko | hmm, I think ircatwork doesn't work for idling.. seems I got kicked out earlier | 20:59 |
| tko | I was kind of surprised to see the channel so quiet :) | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | tko: there's a log if you think you missed something earth-shattering: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2006-10-24.log.html | 21:05 |
| tko | I have my own backlog, but thanks | 21:06 |
| d4mi4n | isn't cu part of the base system? | 21:09 |
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| d4mi4n | i have a usb to seriaol adapter and wonder if this thing works with the self made usb host adapter | 21:11 |
| d4mi4n | err forget it.... | 21:11 |
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| saerdnaer | d4mi4n: have you tried? | 21:20 |
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| saerdnaer | i think you need a special driver | 21:20 |
| d4mi4n | jep | 21:22 |
| d4mi4n | and cu | 21:22 |
| saerdnaer | cu? | 21:22 |
| d4mi4n | which is not available for os2006 | 21:22 |
| d4mi4n | terminal emulation | 21:22 |
| saerdnaer | ah okay | 21:22 |
| d4mi4n | i have the binary for cu from blueserial but it's a old one | 21:23 |
| d4mi4n | from the sektion http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalogWip | 21:24 |
| saerdnaer | is there a howto? | 21:24 |
| d4mi4n | no | 21:24 |
| d4mi4n | i know from my freebsd that i can connect to a serial device with cu -l /dev/*devicename* -s *linespeed* but everytime i want to call cu on my nokia i get this | 21:25 |
| d4mi4n | _/bin/sh: cu: not found | 21:26 |
| d4mi4n | it doesn't matter if i call cu from the same folder im in or with the full path | 21:27 |
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| myren | oh man | 21:30 |
| myren | you guys seeing today's snapshots of what might be the nokia gps? | 21:31 |
| saerdnaer | url? | 21:31 |
| myren | http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/24/more-mysterious-nokia-gps-handheld-pics-surface/ | 21:31 |
| Tak | yeah, saw them early this morning | 21:33 |
| myren | totally not a 770 | 21:33 |
| myren | doesnt look like it'd be a useful maemo system | 21:33 |
| myren | i'd finally get the 770 if they offered just a 770+gps | 21:33 |
| Tak | why not a 770 + bluetooth gps? | 21:34 |
| myren | power consumption. and when i looked at bluetooth gps 2 years ago they were all off brands that cost $200. | 21:35 |
| myren | also, the point of the 770 is kinda of to have a good small portable device | 21:43 |
| myren | there should be no need to carry other good small portable devices | 21:43 |
| Tak | sure, but there are several small portable devices that it's not, and was not designed to be | 21:44 |
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| myren | why hello | 21:46 |
| myren | still hacking your wgt's at all nomis? | 21:47 |
| nomis | myren: what? | 21:47 |
| nomis | hi all :) | 21:47 |
| myren | wgt634u? | 21:51 |
| myren | http://www.nomis52.net/# | 21:51 |
| myren | uh that did not link | 21:51 |
| nomis | myren: that is not me. | 21:51 |
| myren | ah ok | 21:52 |
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| myren | i had just assumed | 21:52 |
| nomis | seems I am not the only one who spells "Simon" backwards for a nick :) | 21:53 |
| myren | holy fuck | 22:03 |
| myren | i never noticed that | 22:03 |
| Jaffa | :) | 22:04 |
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| mgedmin | myren: there was an announcement about navicore navigation software | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | it mentioned that bundles of 770+gps+navicore software will be for sale later this year | 22:17 |
| mgedmin | d4mi4n: GNU screen can also be used as a terminal emulator | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | screen /dev/ttyS1 | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | I was *very* surprised when somebody showed me that | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | and I /think/ screen was available for OS2006 | 22:18 |
| saerdnaer | yes | 22:21 |
| saerdnaer | thats true | 22:21 |
| saerdnaer | i have an gps receiver for an pocket pc, which has an rj12 jack | 22:22 |
| saerdnaer | with an serial2usb adapter, an usb host cable and a 5v power source it should work as gps on nokia 700, but i hadn't have to test this yet | 22:23 |
| saerdnaer | +the time | 22:23 |
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| mgedmin | hey, the 770 doesn't see my office access point any more, after a coworker changed its channel to 12 | 23:03 |
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