IRC log of #maemo-devel for Sunday, 2010-01-31

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PavelAlso, /etc/passwd has /root as root's home directory, but sudo gainroot shell has /home/user as home directory. Weird...00:01
DocScrutinizerPavel: use "root" instead of "sudo gainroot"00:05
jeremiahYeah, the whole sudo gainroot thing is a little disorienting.00:06
PavelDocScrutinizer: 'sudo root'?00:07
DocScrutinizerjust root00:08
PavelAh, I see.00:10
DocScrutinizerseems like root is like "su -" while sudo gainroot is like su00:10
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PavelMakes sense.00:12
PavelStill, doesn't answer the .gnupg question...00:12
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PavelOh well... Using GPG keyrings wasn't a part of the plan anyway.00:20
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jeremiahIs garage down for other people?00:28
jeremiahOr is the universe conspiring against me?00:28
Stskeepsworks for me00:29
jeremiahweird00:29
jeremiahIt must be DNS issues since it has a message about being down00:29
jeremiahWhat IP address does it have for you?00:29
jeremiahgarage.maemo.org has address 62.61.85.3300:30
Stskeeps80.248.164.23800:30
Stskeepsgot a /etc/hosts file or something?00:30
jeremiahYeah, I'll check there.00:30
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jeremiahNo garage there00:31
jeremiahI will talk to dnsmasq00:31
jeremiahYup. dnsmasq still had the old address.00:35
jeremiahNow it works. :)00:35
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PavelOK, now using GPG keyrings _is_ a part of the plan.00:50
* Pavel figures being able to add a record to a password storage application without unlocking (but not read or edit a record) would be a useful (and possibly unique) feature.00:52
SpeedEvilas long as it conflict resolves in a sane way00:54
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PavelSpeedEvil: Alternatively, one could have two modes of storage: encrypted and encrypted+signed (by the same key-pair). When the keyring is locked, new records are created encrypted-unsigned.01:05
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PavelSpeedEvil: To "sign" a record, the user must unlock the keyring.01:06
SpeedEvilyeah01:08
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sjaenschhi everybody, I've got a question about liblocation. How do I know if the data I got in my "changed" callback is just a partial fix / bogus data or a good, proper fix?01:10
sjaenschor do I just discard the first callback and use the second one?01:10
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PavelSpeedEvil: This actually solves another problem that I had: the main reason I am considering this project is that there is, at this time, no good cross-platform password storage utility that can synchronize records with any degree of granularity. Thus, the plan is to store the records as separate files (so that something like Unison could sort them out) or as "messages" on a possibly untrusted IMAP4 server.01:13
PavelSpeedEvil: Signing would prevent an attacker from injecting a fake record (or clobbering an existing one).01:15
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* Pavel really shouldn't be doing this, but the secure, granular syncing needs to be built in from the ground up.01:18
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jebbajeremiah: if maemo.org isn't using reprepro, what are they using?02:20
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ks2khey, is there any n900 development environments for windows?02:50
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lcukks2k, i do maemo dev in windows :)02:54
lcukwell, did02:55
meceks2k, QtCreator for windows :)02:55
uttumuttuks2k: the maemo SDK is the only way to develop native software, and it only runs on Linux.02:56
uttumuttuks2k: i think it may be possible to have some sort of linux-emulation running on top of windows, but that's going to be way harder than just installing the latest ubuntu.02:57
ks2kyeah, just came across SDK virtual image on maemo.org... will try QtCreator first... how well can you reach the hardware on QT?02:58
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jebbaks2k: you can probably get to nearly everything. What do you need access to?03:00
ks2kjust want to know in general, so i dont waste time with a platform that won't allow me access to areas i want... the accelerometer data, proximity sensor and gps data..03:01
meceks2k, everything can access everything.03:01
meceks2k, but you still need sdk under linux (virtual or not) to compile things.03:01
meceI use linux at home, and linux in virtualbox on a windows maskine at work.03:02
ks2kyeah, might do a virtual machine install... isn't there a way to develop on the n900 itself?03:02
meceks2k, yeah, lcuk knows all about that. If you like python you can do it just fine.03:03
meceks2k, needs a little work to get the compilers and dev libraries to fit on the phone if you want to compile c and such.03:04
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ks2kpython is fine, though i prefer c/c++, i think i'll just digg out an old computer or do an virtual debian linux install here, then start coding... or might write a little script to allow my server to compile and return the codes .. its late, going to bed... nice chatroom, will defn. be back 2mro03:06
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mark87ks2k: check out MADDE on talk.maemo.org03:52
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Ken-YoungIs there a standard, "best practice" way for an application to open a web page?   I'd like my application to be able to open a web page when the "help" button is pressed.   When I try to do that by forking and having the child run "browser --url=BlahBlah", messing things happen.17:59
Ken-Youngs/messing/messy/17:59
SpeedEvillook at what xchat does?18:00
Ken-YoungSpeedEvil, Oh, I didn't even know xchat did that.   I'll look there.   Thanks18:00
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ieatlintKen-Young, belated, but: dbus-send --system --type=method_call  --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"google.com"18:33
ieatlint(as a shell command, or if you want to initiate a dbus session in your app)18:33
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Ken-Youngieatlint, Thanks, I was away for a while, and just saw your message.19:34
ieatlintnp19:37
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ieatlintthat command likely won't make things messy if executed with system() or similar... although creating a dbus session in your app may be considered the more "proper" way to do it19:37
Ken-Youngieatlint, I need to learn more about dbus anyway, so I'll try to do it in my app.19:41
ieatlintyeah... it's on my list too :P19:41
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Ken-Youngieatlint, Unfortunately, that D-BUS method of opening a browser window fails if the browser has not been opened since the last device reboot.23:04
Ken-YoungOh I just didn't wait long enough after the reboot.   Nevermind, it does work."23:06
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ieatlinthah23:07
ieatlintglad it's working then23:08
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