| blubbi | frals: is there any documentation of evolution | 00:03 |
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| blubbi | python-evolution | 00:03 |
| blubbi | I canÄt figure out all the methods, objects.... | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | blubbi, i think darwin wrote some notes up | 00:12 |
| lcuk | you should ask in #maemo if anyone has got a copy | 00:13 |
| jebba | ping jeremiah. Hey can I get the various reprepro scripts and configs you have? | 00:21 |
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| blubbi | lcuk: k, thanks for the hint | 00:25 |
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| ifreq | if ive compiled sw on X86, how i test it most easiest way that it runs on ARMEL too? | 00:33 |
| ifreq | sorry started today with SDK :-P | 00:34 |
| lcuk | ifreq, use python | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | why not just compile for armel | 00:35 |
| ifreq | lcuk: im not coding own sw, just porting stuff | 00:35 |
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| ifreq | i dont get the scratchbox tablet up atleast :P | 00:35 |
| ifreq | so i need to move binaries into real device afterwards if i want to test them on UI | 00:36 |
| lcuk | then run sb-menu | 00:36 |
| lcuk | and change to a different target | 00:36 |
| lcuk | make clean | 00:36 |
| lcuk | make | 00:36 |
| lcuk | or whatever you have to do to rebuild | 00:36 |
| ifreq | yes that i got.. but icant get the UI up as for armel | 00:36 |
| ifreq | i get the rebuilding its ok. but when trying to start desktop with emulation as armel it fails on maemo sdk virtual env atleast | 00:37 |
| ifreq | im sure i make this all so unclear atm :) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | scp irfeq.ingamazingapp root@yournokia:/home/user | 00:37 |
| ifreq | lcuk: yeh doing it atm :P | 00:39 |
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| ifreq | any pointers what im doing wrong.. trying to run X app and it draws it on xterm screen.. as it should draw it on the desktop | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | ifreq, mm | 01:55 |
| lcuk | isnt it some kind of console incantation something like screen := :0 | 01:55 |
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| jebba | anyone else get "sh: /tmp/xxx: Permission denied" when scp'ing to drop? | 01:58 |
| jebba | i can still upload though it appears | 01:58 |
| jebba | wow, builder went fast again! :) | 02:00 |
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| ifreq | hmm cool.. mp3blaster worked right from the src :)) | 02:31 |
| ifreq | tho need to rebind F keys | 02:31 |
| ifreq | and it looks quite decent on the xterm | 02:33 |
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| Rudolf | hello people | 13:51 |
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| ph1l | i have a problem with a custom hildon-app: the theme doesnt get correctly loaded. it looks like a simple (gray) gtk-app. after setting GTK2_RC_FILES='/etc/hildon/theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc' it looks a bit better, but the entry-widget still isn't displayed. are there anymore ENV-VARS which i have to set? | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | w00t, whats your packaging problem | 17:51 |
| w00t | lcuk: hahaha | 17:53 |
| w00t | I haven't even started seriously looking into it yet | 17:53 |
| w00t | I was mostly joshing around as I usually do | 17:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:54 |
| lcuk | what are you building anyway | 17:54 |
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| w00t | lcuk: I am writing (and plan to write a lot more) any weird application that seems remotely useful or interesting that I can think of | 17:58 |
| w00t | the one I'm close to packaging is an expenses/budgeting tracker | 17:58 |
| lcuk | iwll it work with household spreadsheets/systems? | 17:59 |
| w00t | not really intended for that, but it could easily export to CSV | 17:59 |
| w00t | basically, you create categories (travel, lunch, hookers, whatever) and set a daily budget (which then also gives you a weekly/monthly display), and record expenses you make in those categories | 18:00 |
| lcuk | i take photos of all my expendables where possible | 18:01 |
| w00t | I'm usually in a bit too much of a hurry to take a photo of a bus ticket | 18:01 |
| lcuk | on the bus sat down, surely not ;) | 18:02 |
| w00t | well | 18:02 |
| w00t | if it's the morning I'm half asleep | 18:02 |
| lcuk | ahhh so user error :p | 18:02 |
| w00t | if it's the afternoon I'm sick of everything andw ant to get home | 18:02 |
| w00t | :P | 18:02 |
| lcuk | so it can be done at a later date | 18:02 |
| lcuk | you can just go into days and fill in what you remember? | 18:03 |
| w00t | mm | 18:03 |
| w00t | it records the current time, but I tend to record all mine at night yes | 18:03 |
| lcuk | with me, if im claiming expenses back i need proof of them | 18:03 |
| lcuk | and photos work | 18:03 |
| w00t | yeah | 18:03 |
| w00t | it's not meant for that | 18:03 |
| w00t | ..though it could be, I suppose | 18:03 |
| lcuk | i know :p | 18:03 |
| w00t | basically | 18:03 |
| lcuk | im just talking about an app with you | 18:03 |
| w00t | I usually catch a bus | 18:03 |
| w00t | I sometimes get lazy and take a taxi | 18:03 |
| w00t | but I want to watch my expenditure | 18:03 |
| w00t | that's where this whole idea came from | 18:03 |
| w00t | so, I look at this, it tells me I've spent my monthly travel budget in a week, I go "dammit", and don't catch a taxi | 18:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 18:04 |
| lcuk | understandable | 18:04 |
| w00t | I also use it for beer expenses, but that's so much harder to do | 18:05 |
| lcuk | just make an app whichdisplays "£0.00 available" and you will never be lazy again | 18:05 |
| w00t | after the first few pints I'm screwed because I can't hit the right buttons | 18:05 |
| Rudolf | hey hey hey | 18:10 |
| Rudolf | some one usin Open Suse Build Service Locally? | 18:10 |
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| w00t | there are a few, I think | 18:14 |
| w00t | I'm not personally | 18:14 |
| * w00t really wants to look into MADDE tonight | 18:14 | |
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| Rudolf | Jaffa: that's you | 18:15 |
| Rudolf | jebba: or you | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | for what purpose | 18:15 |
| Rudolf | that talking about Build Service this week? | 18:15 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: cross compilation | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | we use it in Mer extensively | 18:15 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: like scratchbox | 18:15 |
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| * lcuk is throwing all his code in the air tonight and hoping it comes down int o nice digestable areas | 18:16 | |
| frals | hehe lcuk, i did that last weekend | 18:21 |
| frals | or well, a lot of it | 18:21 |
| lcuk | yeah i have a lot too | 18:21 |
| w00t | I've been having amazing luck with code working how I want it to lately | 18:22 |
| lcuk | and i made a small patch last night to make something happen | 18:22 |
| lcuk | which allows me to change everything | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | Rudolf: lbt's really the guy for this | 18:23 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: really | 18:23 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: ? | 18:23 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: i'm soffering in obs instalation | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, we do cross-compilation in mer, so | 18:24 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: first i'll try openSuse foruns | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | but for building for maemo on OBS, hmm, not sure | 18:24 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: yeah, i'm reading about that in maemo wiki | 18:24 |
| Rudolf | Stskeeps: look this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 18:25 |
| Rudolf | i'm ungry | 18:25 |
| lcuk | Rudolf, pssst stskeeps is founder of mer ;) | 18:25 |
| Rudolf | skwow | 18:25 |
| w00t | lcuk: he prefers to be titled "our divine inspirator" | 18:25 |
| lcuk | distmaster will do for now | 18:26 |
| lcuk | anything more and his head wont fit in the doors | 18:26 |
| w00t | ah yes, disastermaster | 18:26 |
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| lbt | Rudolf: I've done a fair bit with OBS | 18:28 |
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| Rudolf | lbt: why? | 18:39 |
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| lbt | 'cos we use it to build Mer and it's cool | 18:39 |
| lbt | Nb, it is a system for managing build systems | 18:39 |
| lbt | not a build-system per-se | 18:39 |
| lbt | ie internally it runs dpkg-buildpkg for debs | 18:40 |
| lbt | or rpmbuild for rpms | 18:40 |
| lbt | in an appropriately (and minimally) constructed chroot | 18:40 |
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| blfgomes | Hi everybody | 18:57 |
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| blfgomes | I uploaded bti to extras-devel | 19:04 |
| blfgomes | Could anybody take a look and see if there's anything I could improve? | 19:05 |
| VDVsx | blfgomes, bti, is that the app name ? | 19:08 |
| blfgomes | VDVsx: Yes, it's a twitter/identica command line client | 19:12 |
| blfgomes | I just packaged it. | 19:12 |
| VDVsx | blfgomes, without installing it, the first improvements is: write a GUI :p | 19:13 |
| VDVsx | gonna give a try | 19:13 |
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| blfgomes | VDVsx: but being a command line client is the whole point of it :). | 19:16 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 19:16 |
| blfgomes | as I said, I just packaged it | 19:16 |
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| blfgomes | it can be useful even in a tiny terminal | 19:16 |
| blfgomes | it was created by the great Greg Kroah-Hartman | 19:17 |
| ifreq | anyne familiar with missing berkeleydb http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=7620f7573b538be62ba5bae20427362d&t=39892 ? | 19:21 |
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| VDVsx | blfgomes, so, bti --account .. --pass and what else ? | 19:44 |
| VDVsx | to send a tweet | 19:44 |
| blfgomes | VDVsx: the simplest way is to edit the .bti file in the home folder | 19:49 |
| blfgomes | so that you dont have to pass the information every time you want to send a tweet | 19:50 |
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| blfgomes | if you just type bti, it will ask you for the required information | 19:53 |
| blfgomes | which would be just the tweet, in case you have the username and password in the .bti file | 19:54 |
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| VDVsx | blfgomes, seems to work :) : http://twitter.com/VDVsx/statuses/8377335320 | 20:02 |
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| gonX | hey guys, i'm facing a problem with scratchbox while building a new kernel for my n900, simply said i get "mmap: Operation not permitted" while trying to do "make rx51_defconfig" | 20:06 |
| blfgomes | VDVsx: Cool :) It shouldn't say "from web", though... | 20:07 |
| VDVsx | blfgomes, don't blame me :) | 20:08 |
| blfgomes | lol, I'll take a look later | 20:08 |
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| blfgomes | anyway, what about the packaging per se? | 20:09 |
| blfgomes | I noticed some people don't use maemo in the package name | 20:09 |
| blfgomes | some use fremantle | 20:10 |
| blfgomes | I also didn't know what to do exactly with the .bti file | 20:10 |
| blfgomes | it comes as bti.example in the original source | 20:10 |
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| ifreq | http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/DownloadFiles works nicely if someone is interested. | 20:13 |
| ifreq | as security cam :P | 20:13 |
| ifreq | tested with V4L support and default config, it started capturing instantly. trying to check how much there is to configure for email sending etc. | 20:14 |
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| VDVsx | blfgomes, normally you use maemo or fremantle when is a port from the maemo platform, ubuntu does the same | 20:15 |
| VDVsx | if is a new Sw just for maemo, keep it short :) | 20:15 |
| * ifreq likes that almost every stuff i throw to scratchbox get built and ran :P | 20:16 | |
| ifreq | most hard part is for defautl configs and layoyt | 20:16 |
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| VDVsx | blfgomes, is it python or c/c++ ? | 20:17 |
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| jebba | Rudolf: i just installed OBS, but i haven't actually built anything with it yet | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | morn jebba | 20:37 |
| Rudolf | jebba: but OBS working? | 20:38 |
| Rudolf | jebba: can u access any web configuration area? | 20:38 |
| jebba | heya | 20:38 |
| jebba | Rudolf: i haven't done any config of it. I just installed the latest opensuse and the various OBS packages. They all started and are running fine, except the signing daemon (because i haven't generated a key). That said, I've only taken a cursory look at the docs so fa. | 20:39 |
| Rudolf | jebba: can u access web page in any place? | 20:40 |
| jebba | i haven't even tried. Oh, except i saw it opened a bunch of ports on localhost | 20:42 |
| Rudolf | yea | 20:44 |
| Rudolf | i'm trying some more huge instalation | 20:45 |
| jebba | i really just got step 2 done. 1) install OS 2) install OBS 3) configure OBS.... | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:46 |
| ifreq | is the videodevices /dev/vide0 video1? | 20:48 |
| ifreq | ok nvm | 20:49 |
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| blfgomes | VDVsx: it is a port for maemo and it's in C. | 20:52 |
| blfgomes | I asked because I thought the convention would be to use maemo in the package name, but looking around it seems like people aren't following it | 20:53 |
| VDVsx | blfgomes, so package version should be something like upstream_version-maemo1 | 20:53 |
| VDVsx | e.g 12.2.2maemo1 | 20:53 |
| VDVsx | IMO thats the correct way for upstream packages | 20:54 |
| blfgomes | yes, that's what I did: bti_025-0maemo1 | 20:54 |
| VDVsx | but there's not rule about that afaik | 20:54 |
| jebba | VDVsx: i actually was reading about using maemo tags just today. Basically if you patch the deb source different from debian at all, throw maemo in the tag,. | 20:54 |
| jebba | i haven't been doing this. | 20:54 |
| blfgomes | there is a package for debian, but I found it easier to package directly the upstream tar | 20:54 |
| jebba | VDVsx: ya, i just saw one on wiki today. | 20:54 |
| VDVsx | jebba, where ? | 20:55 |
| jebba | VDVsx: lemme see if i can track it down. | 20:55 |
| jebba | hopefully its still in an open tab ;) | 20:55 |
| blfgomes | jebba, afaik it's #maemo#, where the first number corresponds to the debian revision and the second to the maemo one | 20:57 |
| VDVsx | jebba, ah you said 'different' from debian, so I agree with taht | 20:57 |
| VDVsx | that | 20:57 |
| blfgomes | and if it's not a debian repackage, it should be 0maemo# | 20:57 |
| VDVsx | since it basically a new version | 20:57 |
| VDVsx | I cool with both solutions, one thing that I don't like is svn/git revisions as package versions | 20:59 |
| VDVsx | like xpto_git24235423542asdf35maemo4 | 20:59 |
| VDVsx | :D | 20:59 |
| blfgomes | :P | 20:59 |
| blfgomes | what about fremantle/diablo? | 20:59 |
| blfgomes | should it be used? | 21:00 |
| VDVsx | well, IMO no, the packages aren't mixed and you should install from a repo, not from a page | 21:00 |
| blfgomes | that's what I think as well, but since I saw a couple of packages using that, I thought I should ask | 21:01 |
| jebba | VDVsx: i wish i could track it down, but i can't right now. IIRC it was in the wiki.maemo.org namespace | 21:03 |
| blfgomes | another thing: the documentation... Do I keep it in the package as it is and let it be purged? | 21:03 |
| jebba | blfgomes: but i think if it makes *no* changes it doesn't add maemo at all. It was a lucid explanation I read, i just wish i knew where ;) | 21:04 |
| blfgomes | jebba, I think it shouldn't add maemo only if it's an app built for maemo | 21:05 |
| blfgomes | if it's a port/repackage, in my understanding, you have to add maemo... That's what makes sense to me, but I'm not 100% sure | 21:06 |
| VDVsx | jebba, blfgomes , main article is here, can't find anything about it: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Making_Application_Packages | 21:09 |
| VDVsx | only did a quick look | 21:09 |
| ifreq | hmm | 21:09 |
| blfgomes | Yes, I read that article... But I also found a document (pdf) about maemo guidelines. It is a couple of years old, so I don't know if it's outdated | 21:10 |
| jebba | ya, there's that PDF: I swear i saw it in the wikispace. I'm still hunting all this time... | 21:12 |
| jebba | http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf that talks about it a bit on page 11, but i saw something else too... | 21:13 |
| blfgomes | yes, that's the one I saw | 21:13 |
| jebba | hmm. i give up. "There is another..." | 21:15 |
| blfgomes | "If an upstream package is re-packaged or otherwise modified for maemo, a maemo | 21:18 |
| blfgomes | revision MUST be appended to the upstream revision." | 21:18 |
| blfgomes | any takes on the documentation question? | 21:23 |
| jebba | that looks good | 21:27 |
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| blfgomes | jebba: what does? | 21:28 |
| jebba | the 0maemo1 rule | 21:29 |
| blfgomes | oh, ok | 21:29 |
| blfgomes | what about the docs, keep them in, out...? | 21:30 |
| jebba | that seems like a reasonable rule that should be kept. It probably conforms with some upstream debian policy, which should likely be the full rule here. | 21:35 |
| blfgomes | jebba: yes, that's how it works in Debian and Ubuntu | 21:37 |
| blfgomes | but it seems like there is no standard in maemo right now, all packages have different naming conventions | 21:38 |
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| ifreq | where i can find specs for webcams on phone? | 21:48 |
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| ifreq | backside works nicely with V4L but cant get proper video from the 2nd one | 21:48 |
| jebba | blfgomes: i think there is a standard in maemo, just no one knows it ;) | 21:52 |
| blfgomes | lol, that's true | 21:52 |
| blfgomes | documentation has always been a bit of a problem for maemo, in my opinion | 21:52 |
| blfgomes | a lot of duplicated information in different pages | 21:53 |
| blfgomes | that makes it hard to know which one is stale and which should be followed | 21:53 |
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