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| dragly | jeremiah: I do too, and I maybe it should contain a note that the N900 firmware might be updated over the air? | 00:10 |
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| dragly | well, actually I see that there is a note (which was even more confusing) about that further down on the page, but should it not be mentioned all the way on the top that you don't need to flash you device to update the firmware? | 00:11 |
| jeremiah | dragly: Yeah, I think that is a good point | 00:11 |
| dragly | I remember I was looking for info about this a couple of weeks ago, and I thought I had to prepare for a full reset of my device. I was really happy when all I needed was to download the update :) | 00:12 |
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| jeremiah | I _thought_ I had flashed, but didn't | 00:12 |
| jeremiah | So I never say the update | 00:12 |
| jeremiah | Trying to make that possible now. | 00:12 |
| jebba | jeremiah: you may want to point out in there somewhere the workarounds for flashing too. Lots of people think they need to flash when they dont have to. | 00:12 |
| jeremiah | jebba: Yeah - also a good point. | 00:13 |
| jeremiah | But when do they think they need to flash but don't? | 00:13 |
| jebba | when they have a "brick" with the second dot lit | 00:14 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Flash | 00:14 |
| jebba | i try to save as many people as I can that i see that post in talk.m.o ;) | 00:15 |
| jebba | it's a very very common reason for people to brick. There's also been a fix for a few weeks aparently, but that's another issue.... | 00:15 |
| jeremiah | hmm | 00:49 |
| jeremiah | didn't know that | 00:49 |
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| dragly | I've just installed pc-connectivity on Ubuntu (Karmic) and my N900. I can ping my N900 from Ubuntu and the other way around, but I don't get any Internet connection on my N900. Do I have to configure something manually? | 00:55 |
| lardman|home | dragly: did you have to tweak anything on either side? | 00:58 |
| jebba | jeremiah: i think there's a guy in #maemo right now with that sort of brick. I see it *alllllllllllll* the time. Doesn't need reflash but they always think they do. | 00:58 |
| lardman|home | I could do with working ssh/sftp and have not got round to working out how to get it working | 00:59 |
| dragly | well, I did some tweaking the last time I tried. I might have messed it up somewhere then. | 00:59 |
| dragly | But it's most important to have ssh and sftp atm ;) | 01:00 |
| jebba | jeremiah: ya, he doesn't need to reflash.... | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: OTOH. Does relashing have any downsides other than data loss? | 01:00 |
| jeremiah | reflash! reflash! | 01:00 |
| jebba | heh | 01:00 |
| jebba | other than data loss? well, many users have a damn hard time at it too. But data loss is huge enough in my book. I swear I see this type of "bricking" every day. | 01:01 |
| jeremiah | Its like a colonic for you N900 | 01:01 |
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| jeremiah | The whole flashing process is an abomination | 01:02 |
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| juke_ | hi | 01:14 |
| juke_ | is there other browser than gtkhtml2 in python ? | 01:14 |
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| woglinde_ | juke fennec soon it seemd | 01:15 |
| juke_ | woglinde_, it's just to display a web page in a desktop widget | 01:16 |
| jeremiah | I don't think there will be a fennec. | 01:20 |
| jeremiah | I think they are re-branding it firefox mobile | 01:20 |
| jebba | fennec is their "internal" name (used by everyone outside too...) | 01:22 |
| jeremiah | Well, when I talked with Pavlov, he said that fennec was going to be the brand name | 01:23 |
| jeremiah | And he should know since he works for them | 01:23 |
| jeremiah | They even had a logo | 01:23 |
| jeremiah | And a mascot | 01:23 |
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| svanheulen | Ok, so I installed the Maemo 5 SDK and I got the newest version of libtorrent to compile in scratchbox... how do I go from there to having it on my n900? | 01:29 |
| jebba | jeremiah: saved another one from reflashing: | 01:30 |
| jebba | (08:24:46 PM) SouBE: jebba: thanks! it booted in rd-mode and i managed to get rid of malfunctioning browser add-on :) | 01:30 |
| jebba | would be nice if nokia just pushed the fix. There must be thousands of these. | 01:30 |
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| lardman|home | browser addon stopped it rebooting? | 01:31 |
| svanheulen | what browser add-on is causing problems? | 01:31 |
| lardman|home | hmm, not good | 01:31 |
| jeremiah | jebba: You should have my job! | 01:31 |
| lardman|home | s/rebooting/starting-up | 01:31 |
| jebba | heh | 01:32 |
| jebba | i want that manager's job that decides when things get pushed and what gets opened ;) | 01:32 |
| woglinde_ | jo lardman | 01:34 |
| lardman|home | hi woglinde_ | 01:42 |
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| juke_ | what is widget type of "localisation desktop widget ? " | 03:18 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:22 |
| ruskie | lo | 11:23 |
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| niekt0 | jebba> hi, so cryptsetup is working;) | 11:36 |
| niekt0 | jebba> firs reboot was probably caused by too small (??) file | 11:36 |
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| niekt0 | jebba> only problem is, that with your kernel cameras are not working anymore | 11:37 |
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| lardman|home | any PR1.1 users here? | 12:41 |
| lardman|home | my entire desktop has just rotated, not seen that before | 12:41 |
| hrw | lardman|home: you also want 'dpkg -l' output? | 12:41 |
| hrw | lardman|home: you have 51.1? | 12:41 |
| lardman|home | yeah | 12:42 |
| hrw | lardman|home: pressed cltr-shift-r? | 12:42 |
| lardman|home | hmm | 12:42 |
| hrw | I do not remember was it after 1.1 code or not | 12:42 |
| lardman|home | I think that's for the browser isnt' it? | 12:42 |
| hrw | no | 12:42 |
| lardman|home | This is the whole desktop | 12:42 |
| lardman|home | well no, doesn't seem to do anything here | 12:42 |
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| Hukka | I'm trying to create gst-qt apps for M5, but I have big problems with pygst. This one causes an endless stream of "dsp_thread: failed waiting for events" and dies only with kill via ssh: http://pastebin.ca/1749468 | 12:53 |
| lardman|home | does it work from the command line? | 12:59 |
| lardman|home | i.e. with gst-launch? | 12:59 |
| Hukka | Yes, and I have two working pygst scripts too | 12:59 |
| lardman|home | hmm, no idea then, sorry | 13:00 |
| Hukka | For example this: http://pastebin.ca/1749478 | 13:00 |
| Hukka | Difference is that the working snippet embeds gst in the main window, and there is nothing else in there. In the failing one I'm trying to put buttons next to the video output | 13:01 |
| lardman|home | you'll have to talk to the Qt folks I guess, I was just wondering if the problem was actually in the pipeline or DSP kernel | 13:02 |
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| ruskie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40265 <-- hmm looks useful | 13:18 |
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| villager | anyone know what the difference is between the DONT_CARE and ALL masks when creating an alarmd event? | 13:50 |
| scoopr | is there a way to see stdout/stderr from a program launched from the menu? is there some kind of log where that would go? are there any logs at all? | 13:55 |
| scoopr | my app is closing down immediately after startup, when started from menu, but not from commandline .. | 13:56 |
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| villager | I don't think it's logged unless you start it from a terminal | 13:56 |
| scoopr | though I could be making stupid assumptions on cwd | 13:57 |
| villager | what if you use run-standalone.sh yourprogram? | 13:57 |
| scoopr | works fine | 13:58 |
| scoopr | on a closer thought, I'm almost certain that I'm doing stupid assumptions on cwd | 14:00 |
| villager | don't know then without being familiar with your program | 14:00 |
| lardman|home | bbl | 14:00 |
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| ruskie | hmm any particular reason why docpurge isn't run on the deb instead of during install? | 14:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | legal ones? | 14:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | the GPL myst be distributed with teh binary? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | ruskie, that would require all developers creating deb packages to make possible changes to their debs | 14:29 |
| ruskie | OMG OMG OMG | 14:33 |
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| ruskie | I'm happy to resolve this old request as FIXED. The Harmattan plans include Ogg Vorbis support and you can follow the progress at http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia | 14:33 |
| hrw | ruskie: what about flac, mod, mpc etc? | 14:36 |
| ruskie | no clue... I have all of those with xmms2 anyway :) | 14:36 |
| hrw | and how many years before harmattan will arrive | 14:36 |
| hrw | ruskie: we also have 'decoders support', 'mod support' packages which just ship missing gstreamer plugins | 14:36 |
| hrw | why not just ship all plugins? | 14:37 |
| ruskie | half the users won't care the other half will want more selective selection | 14:38 |
| ruskie | I don't have mod or decoders support installed... but atleast have a few of the decoders support dependencies installed | 14:38 |
| jebba | niekt0: camera works fine here. Been taking lots of fotos in fact. | 14:39 |
| hrw | ruskie: thats you - I have both | 14:39 |
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| scoopr | okay, is there a way to gain root, without 'gainroot' ? | 14:45 |
| scoopr | no wait, didn't need that afterall | 14:45 |
| niekt0 | jebba> hm, after 2 restarts mine works fine too, something is strange with my system | 14:46 |
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| uttumuttu | which distribution do you think is simpler to start maemo 5 development with: debian or ubuntu? | 14:54 |
| scoopr | ut :D | 14:54 |
| uttumuttu | (sorry, this is probably asked 10^6 in the channel logs, but the log search function doesn't work) | 14:54 |
| uttumuttu | scoopr ^___^ | 14:54 |
| Wolfie | it doesn't really matter. Ubuntu is based on Debian. I guess Ubuntu has more user friendly distros | 14:54 |
| Wolfie | i go with plain ol' ubuntu, personally | 14:55 |
| scoopr | I use ubuntu 64bit.. noticed that there is certainly friction with my choice of 64bit :/ | 14:55 |
| uttumuttu | niiice, thanks | 14:55 |
| uttumuttu | scoopr, yes, it seems x86-32 is the officially supported one | 14:56 |
| Wolfie | there's the official dev virtual image - give it a try? | 14:56 |
| * hrw agree with Wolfie - use VM image | 14:56 | |
| scoopr | madde seems promising as well. Works nicely on osx, but currently lacks gles libs, so a no go for me. (Seems like it would be easy to fix, but can't be bothered) | 14:57 |
| Wolfie | i used it until I realized that keyboard emulation on a mac sucks, rendering coding impossible | 14:57 |
| scoopr | keyboard emulation? | 14:57 |
| Wolfie | scoopr: troubles with windows key and altgr | 14:57 |
| Wolfie | makes typing certain special characters a pain :) | 14:58 |
| Wolfie | now I have a tri-boot system instead | 14:58 |
| scoopr | ah, you are not a mac-native? =) | 14:58 |
| Wolfie | huh? no. It was impossible to type @ on my finnish mac keyboard into the vm linux | 14:59 |
| Wolfie | and I didn't find the right keyboard settings to make the third level modifier work either | 14:59 |
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| Wolfie | might be just my own fault. The tri-boot works now, though | 14:59 |
| Wolfie | it's a bit cumbersome (all key software are on different platforms), but it works | 14:59 |
| scoopr | ahh, well, madde works *natively* on osx, so it was great just because of that.. but then you have a shoddy vm if the keyboard layout doesn't work =) | 14:59 |
| scoopr | parallels works for me fine | 15:00 |
| Wolfie | tried with both parallels and virtualbox | 15:00 |
| Wolfie | no, sorry | 15:00 |
| Wolfie | did not try parallels. vmware and virtualbox | 15:00 |
| Wolfie | sure, madde works, but (afaik) there's no xephyr or remote deployment | 15:01 |
| scoopr | it's sort of a strange hybrid keyboardlayout.. alt-2 does give @, but pipe comes from <>|, like on pc keyboards | 15:01 |
| Wolfie | i was a total noob (i'm just no a plain noog) at c++/qt/maemo before i started coding for fremantle, so I tool all the helpers I could | 15:01 |
| Wolfie | heh | 15:01 |
| Wolfie | s/noog/noob/ | 15:02 |
| Wolfie | and "now" | 15:02 |
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| Wolfie | typoday for me, it seems | 15:02 |
| scoopr | well, xephyr wouldn't work for me anyway (no useful gles2), so I have to run on device.. and that I do over sshfs and control it over ssh-session, even on scratchbox | 15:02 |
| Wolfie | it might work for me too. But since the documentation doesn't have a step-by-step documentation that I'd understand, I'll give my blood pressure a break | 15:03 |
| Wolfie | ...given that there's such documentation to start with | 15:03 |
| niekt0 | jebba> how do you deal with dependencie, when using own kernel? for example mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: kernel (...) and so | 15:05 |
| jebba | niekt0: when i'm back on a decent connection i'll look into that issue. | 15:05 |
| jebba | you can just punt the meta package for now: mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 15:06 |
| hrw | fsckung maemo... | 15:15 |
| * hrw wants Debian based maemo | 15:15 | |
| hrw | not random stuff based maemo | 15:15 |
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| lardman|home | was there a fix for Qt not working on PR1.1? | 16:40 |
| lardman|home | adding some new repo or something? | 16:40 |
| hrw | lardman|home: qt 4.5 or 4.6? | 16:41 |
| lardman|home | 4.5 | 16:41 |
| lardman|home | base lib version has gone up but something phonon perhaps has a hard dep on the old version | 16:42 |
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| * lupine_85 builds quassel for maemo | 18:31 | |
| lupine_85 | had to hack out a bundle of systray notification stuff... funfun! | 18:31 |
| ruskie | why... there is a sys notification applet on the n900 ;) | 18:38 |
| ruskie | atleast I recall there being one | 18:38 |
| lupine_85 | It doesn't seem to include the Qt one | 18:43 |
| lupine_85 | unless I'm doing it wrong.... | 18:43 |
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| cmolson | Hey, I have a few questions on creating my first maemo 5 application. Basically I want to create a package which will setup Bluetooth Dial-Up Networking from the N900 to another phone. I have some questions regarding kernel modules which need to be setup, and I'm not sure how the dependencies will work. | 18:58 |
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| ruskie | cmolson, what's wrong with using the existing Bluetooth PAN setup? | 19:08 |
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| lupine_85 | hee. it compiled and runs | 19:08 |
| cmolson | ruskie, that works for bluetooth phones that support PAN. AFAIK all blackberries do not support PAN | 19:08 |
| hrw | PAN != DUN | 19:08 |
| cmolson | I have a Blackberry 9000 on Rogers 3G here in Canada, it does not support PAN, so the only option to get 3G speeds on my N900 is using DUN | 19:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 seems to have seen maemo-DUN in HAM lately | 19:09 | |
| ruskie | bluetooth-dun - Activate tethering over Bluetooth DUN | 19:10 |
| ruskie | yup it's there | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | questionable if it's supporting client as well | 19:10 |
| hrw | ruskie: what about using DUN from other phone as net provider for n900? | 19:11 |
| ruskie | isn't that tethering ? | 19:11 |
| hrw | it is other direction | 19:12 |
| hrw | using network from n900 by BTDUN/BTPAN is tethering | 19:12 |
| cmolson | I need to go from N900->other phone | 19:12 |
| hrw | cmolson: so n900 -> otherphone -> network? | 19:13 |
| cmolson | hrw, yep | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup. N900=client | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blackberry = DUN host | 19:13 |
| cmolson | I have it working, following a guide on the forums. It involved installing a few kernel modules which were not included by default because of a bug. Then you needed to install the package to setup a dummy connection. | 19:14 |
| cmolson | configure the required files and your set. I was thinking of making a small app which could setup the dummy connections in the UI, as well as add/remove./edit DUN settings | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cmolson: mind to shar pointer URL to forums guide? | 19:16 |
| cmolson | DocScrutinizer51, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37198 | 19:17 |
| cmolson | The thread I was discussing in was here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40157 | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cmolson: thnx | 19:18 |
| cmolson | I know it seems like a waste because the N900 can connect to the cell network. But a lot of people have purchased the N900 who live in areas with no 3G coverage on the required bands. | 19:20 |
| cmolson | So creating a UI to do all the configuration would be simple (modify the files, create dummy connection etc). My main concern was the kernel modules which needed to be installed, they could be bundled with the .deb file, but I think they would break if an update changed the kernel version. | 19:23 |
| cmolson | As pointed out in the threads it is possible once the dummy connection is created, to call scripts based on them. So for example you could configure multiple DUN connections for different phones and activate them using the built-in connection manager | 19:25 |
| lupine_85 | ok. Quassel kills the N900 :) | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cmolson: err yes. 100% ack | 19:34 |
| cmolson | DocScrutinizer51, thats to the modules breaking on an update to the kernel correct? | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cmolson: only way to cure the kernel version dependencies would be to compile the kernel modules natively on N900. Not a viable way to go I guess | 19:35 |
| cmolson | yeah, I could keep an updated set of modules though whenever there is a new kernel | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cmolson: maybe you could add a repository to apt-cache to draw the modules from there. And make it lower priority than the maemo genuine repos | 19:38 |
| cmolson | hmm yeah that could work I suppose. correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't it be hard to tell whether the genuine repo has the modules? they would likely be in a kernel-modules deb of some kind no? | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cmolson: but honestly I'm probably the most clueless person here to give advice | 19:40 |
| cmolson | lol, any advice is ok for me. I haven't written anything yet for maemo aside from some examples. | 19:40 |
| cmolson | Do you know whether it would be acceptable to say, have the main UI for setting up the connection parameters/dummy connections in C/qt and then have some python or even shell scripts to check the kernel version against the modules before trying to copy them in? | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess kernel version vs pkg version checking is a basic function of apt/HAM | 19:43 |
| cmolson | ahh k | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there are things like RDEPENDS etc in pkg description. But as I said' I'm mostly clueless | 19:45 |
| cmolson | Alright, thanks for the info. I am going to start with creating a qt app to modify/create the DUN config files. See how it goes | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cmolson: maybe repeat your question on #maemo. more members, maybe more experienced package maintainers and even maemo maintainers | 19:59 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, are there tweaks that need to be applied to allow me to install optified stuff in sb? | 20:01 |
| flux | atleast qt4-maemo5 has installed itself to /opt without problems on my scratchbox, but that might not be representative of other optified apps | 20:03 |
| lardman|home | ~lart FF upgrades that stop the bloody program working | 20:03 |
| lardman|home | bbiab | 20:03 |
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| VINCENT_ | hi frals are you around here ? | 21:42 |
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| ruskie | hmm thp any news on the cli sharing plugin? | 22:23 |
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| jeremiah | Can one use git to push to the maemo git repos? | 22:25 |
| jeremiah | I wonder why it is not working for me. | 22:25 |
| ruskie | you need to have permission to push? | 22:28 |
| jeremiah | I assume so, since it is https | 22:28 |
| ruskie | that only means the channel is secure | 22:29 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, the socket anyway. | 22:29 |
| ruskie | got a username and password to push? | 22:30 |
| jeremiah | erm, may have forgotten? | 22:30 |
| jeremiah | I thought it might be tied to the ssh key one is supposed to upload. | 22:31 |
| ruskie | then you need to push through ssh:// | 22:31 |
| ruskie | not https:// | 22:31 |
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| jeremiah | okay | 22:31 |
| ruskie | also username needs to match what you have for the login on the repo | 22:32 |
| jeremiah | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=841&type=g | 22:33 |
| ruskie | hmm that looks like it does use webdav and https | 22:38 |
| TTilus | could i hook to fremantle contacts (evolution data server?) with ruby, python or alike? | 22:39 |
| jeremiah | TTilus: Sure. | 22:39 |
| jeremiah | Probably use python because ruby is not as well supported | 22:39 |
| jeremiah | But ruby 1.8 is on the device | 22:39 |
| TTilus | looks like pymaemo doesnt have libedataserver | 22:40 |
| frals | it has python-evolution thou | 22:40 |
| jeremiah | TTilus: I think there are other stores aside from the Evolution store | 22:40 |
| TTilus | am i just looking a wrong place? http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Components | 22:40 |
| jeremiah | TTilus: What do you want to do? | 22:41 |
| TTilus | just play with it at first :D | 22:41 |
| jeremiah | :) | 22:41 |
| jeremiah | True hacker. | 22:41 |
| TTilus | i might figure out something usefull eventually | 22:41 |
| frals | TTilus: python-evolution will let you access the addressbook | 22:41 |
| jeremiah | We don't need no stinkin' useful apps | 22:41 |
| jeremiah | :) | 22:42 |
| TTilus | yep | 22:42 |
| TTilus | just fire irb/python and load a bunch of libs | 22:42 |
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| TTilus | and you're on the road | 22:42 |
| jeremiah | irb | 22:43 |
| jeremiah | meh. Perl FTW. | 22:43 |
| * TTilus is currently paid for writing perl | 22:50 | |
| jeremiah | TTilus: Or really? | 22:50 |
| jeremiah | Good for you. :) | 22:50 |
| jeremiah | What kind of perl? Do you use Moose? | 22:50 |
| TTilus | currently mouse | 22:50 |
| jeremiah | okay | 22:50 |
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| jeremiah | Cool | 22:51 |
| TTilus | legacy app | 22:51 |
| jeremiah | Yeah. :) | 22:51 |
| jeremiah | There is perl 5.8.3 on the N900 | 22:51 |
| jeremiah | But people have got 5.10 to run | 22:51 |
| TTilus | mouse because it doesnt run on fcgi yet | 22:51 |
| * TTilus doesnt really like writing perl tho | 22:51 | |
| jeremiah | Hmm. | 22:51 |
| jeremiah | Mouse _doesn't_ run on fcgi? | 22:52 |
| TTilus | jeremiah: would you like to? | 22:52 |
| jeremiah | That is kinda weird. | 22:52 |
| jeremiah | TTilus: I *love* perl | 22:52 |
| jeremiah | But I'm weird that way. :) | 22:52 |
| jeremiah | But I have a job. | 22:52 |
| TTilus | nonono! mouse definitely runs, the legacy app im fixing doesnt | 22:52 |
| jeremiah | And I am not doing a very good job at my job. :/ | 22:52 |
| TTilus | jeremiah: if your job involves writing ruby we could swap ;) | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | heh | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | You like ruby? | 22:53 |
| VINCENT_ | frals can i ask you something | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | I don't know ruby so well. | 22:53 |
| frals | sure | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | But the syntax looks good and lots of people really like it. | 22:53 |
| TTilus | well, more than perl at leas | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | :) | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | Nowadays perl steals a lot of ideas from ruby | 22:53 |
| VINCENT_ | I updated to your last fmms and that solved the problem with not getting the apn | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | I mean, there is 'plack' which is a copy of rubys 'rack' | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | Stuff like that. | 22:54 |
| VINCENT_ | but on both my providers i get a timeout error 110 | 22:54 |
| TTilus | ive noticed | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | heh, hard to miss. | 22:54 |
| woglinde | jeremiah has ruby 1.9 solved the slow threading problem? | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | I dunno. | 22:54 |
| frals | then there is something wrong with your settings, as it fails to connect to the MMSC ;) | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | I do know ruby is kinda slow. | 22:54 |
| VINCENT_ | that's what i thought | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | woglinde: You should see python's thread implementation - *slower* on multicore! | 22:55 |
| woglinde | for website with lowtraffic I like rails very much | 22:55 |
| VINCENT_ | i will call them tomorrow and ask all settings | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | woglinde: :) | 22:56 |
| TTilus | well, slowness of any given scripting lang is pretty much only due implementation | 22:56 |
| woglinde | TTilus ruby 1.8 has problems with threading | 22:56 |
| TTilus | when new implementations come, compete and mature, speed always improves | 22:56 |
| TTilus | just look at lisp | 22:56 |
| TTilus | you pretty much cant be more dynamic than that | 22:56 |
| jeremiah | Sorta true, sorta not true. | 22:57 |
| VINCENT_ | also when I add a apn with fapn then in settings in the autoconnect one disapears | 22:57 |
| woglinde | but every year a new script language hits the market | 22:57 |
| TTilus | still cl is so blazing fast | 22:57 |
| jeremiah | I mean the GIL is just a *bad* implementation. | 22:57 |
| VINCENT_ | I can only choose between wlan and the newly added apn | 22:57 |
| jeremiah | No kidding, there are so many languages now. | 22:57 |
| jeremiah | ocaml, scala, groovy, perl6 | 22:58 |
| jeremiah | server-side javascript! | 22:58 |
| frals | VINCENT_: uh, does your other IAP disappear when you add a new one with a different name? | 22:58 |
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| VINCENT_ | it doesn't disapear when you look at connections but in the list of autoconnect | 22:59 |
| frals | where is this autoconnect list? in fMMS? | 23:01 |
| TTilus | as mathematician im in love with small (in terms of the number of abstractions) and consistent languages | 23:01 |
| VINCENT_ | no raw translated since i use dutch settings - internet connections | 23:02 |
| woglinde | mathematician only knows fortran | 23:02 |
| woglinde | hahahahahahaa | 23:02 |
| TTilus | jeremiah: lisp and ruby are loveable, python and perl way less, c++ is a painfull nightmare | 23:03 |
| woglinde | whats really fun is | 23:03 |
| VINCENT_ | well maybe i shouldn't bother you with this your app works (if i get the settings right) | 23:03 |
| jeremiah | TTilus: Than you probably hate perl. :) | 23:03 |
| woglinde | you can run raisl with jruby under glassfish | 23:03 |
| * TTilus actually doesnt really know fortran | 23:03 | |
| frals | VINCENT_: okey, right, I *think* it's because of the UI in the N900 only really "supports" one IAP for GPRS | 23:03 |
| woglinde | but I didnt try this yet | 23:03 |
| frals | and by adding another one you break their hardcoded mumbojumbo ;) | 23:03 |
| jeremiah | Perl's motto, as you surely know, is "There is more than one way to do it." | 23:04 |
| jeremiah | TTilus: Have you looked at small talk? | 23:04 |
| VINCENT_ | haha oke they will probabely change that in a new firmware i guess | 23:04 |
| TTilus | woglinde: i thought they were physicians, engineers and other applied guys who need to work with reality, who knew fortran | 23:04 |
| TTilus | ;) | 23:04 |
| woglinde | TTilus hm right | 23:05 |
| TTilus | jeremiah: smalltalk is in the "loveable" list ;) | 23:05 |
| jeremiah | :) | 23:05 |
| VINCENT_ | one more question might i get timeouts because i am connected trough wlan | 23:05 |
| frals | VINCENT_: yes, you need to be connected to the MMS AP to send/receive | 23:05 |
| frals | VINCENT_: if you read the talk thread its in the first post, as well as the banner thats shown on first launch ;-) | 23:06 |
| VINCENT_ | hmm there is my problem i was sshing into my phone to see what happend on the command line | 23:06 |
| VINCENT_ | i haven't just not figured out how to disconnect from wifi | 23:07 |
| TTilus | jeremiah: what pisses me off the most about perl is this insane implicit context thingy, that makes me roll my face on my keyboard every day | 23:07 |
| TTilus | jeremiah: that you cant take an expression and put it someplace else knowing it will _not_ change its behavior | 23:08 |
| VINCENT_ | i guess i just ifconfig wlan0 down and try again | 23:08 |
| TTilus | VINCENT_: you can't swithc networks from gui? | 23:09 |
| VINCENT_ | uhh not that i'm aware of but i just got my phone 2 days now | 23:10 |
| TTilus | i've had mine for _weeks_ now, so i'm senior :D | 23:10 |
| VINCENT_ | :P | 23:11 |
| frals | just press the statusbar and click on the connection tehre and you can switch | 23:11 |
| TTilus | statusbar somewhere around the battery icon | 23:11 |
| VINCENT_ | OMG | 23:12 |
| VINCENT_ | just learned something :) | 23:12 |
| TTilus | learnings so much fun! | 23:13 |
| VINCENT_ | OMFG it just worked | 23:14 |
| ifreq | ofcourse it works its nokia(tm) | 23:15 |
| ifreq | lol | 23:15 |
| ifreq | :D | 23:15 |
| ifreq | couldnt keep the pokerface | 23:15 |
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| flux | not even over IRC? man, you must suck at poker :) | 23:15 |
| ifreq | flux: yeah .. tho im so chaotic player so i dont hafty worry about faces when i play all in one | 23:16 |
| VINCENT_ | frals thanks alot you solved it like a pro thumbs up | 23:16 |
| VINCENT_ | you guys keep up the good work nokia did real good making this phone | 23:17 |
| ifreq | lets hope so. | 23:17 |
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| VINCENT_ | I just sit in this irc and maybe learn something more | 23:18 |
| VINCENT_ | thanks guys have a nice day/night | 23:19 |
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| lupine_85 | hmm, might seem like an odd question but is there a tcl/tk set of packages for the N900? | 23:25 |
| lupine_85 | It's a dep for a package that's a dep for a package that I want to build :D | 23:25 |
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| TTilus | ive got extras-devel in sources and ive updated, but i cant see python-evolution on the apps list http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-evolution/ | 23:38 |
| TTilus | should i? | 23:38 |
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| VINCENT_ | lupine_85 maybe you can find tc/tlk in the debian armel packages lots of pakages work with the n900 | 23:40 |
| lupine_85 | no need, turns out extras-devel contains what I wanted (ruby1.8) :) | 23:40 |
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| VINCENT_ | TTilus I did apt-get and python-evolution was already installed but it is obviously there | 23:41 |
| TTilus | uh oh, hadnt thought it could already be installed ;) | 23:43 |
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