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| jebba | ciao, good luck | 02:04 |
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| Kamui | how does one disable compositing on an app that is running slowly? | 03:28 |
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| T7g | Kamui, I think this has a code snippet that does it; http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=428996&postcount=103 | 04:27 |
| Kamui | aah, t7g, so I have to actually build it into the source | 04:31 |
| T7g | pretty sure, haven't heard of any other ways to do it yet | 04:39 |
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| Kamui | hmm, no biggie, Ill have to do some studying of the blender code to see how this might apply | 05:16 |
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| dimitris82z | hi all | 11:14 |
| dimitris82z | can i create qt apps on n900 ? | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | dimitris82z: Yes | 11:15 |
| dimitris82z | Jaffa, can i develop with qt creator and put the sdk there ? or i must do it with the scratchbox way? | 11:15 |
| dimitris82z | i am using windows and fedora 12 x64 | 11:16 |
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| dimitris82z | no huh ? | 11:21 |
| dimitris82z | is there a possibility to have in near future ? | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | you can use MADDE for windows as well | 11:21 |
| dimitris82z | Stskeeps, could you give me some advice or g00gle it ? | 11:22 |
| dimitris82z | here ? http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 11:22 |
| scoopr | I just myself installed madde.. while it says it's tech preview, what's the general feeling, is it generally usable? | 11:24 |
| dimitris82z | scoopr, nods | 11:24 |
| dimitris82z | thnx for help | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | dimitris82z: Qt Creator is a bit immature; but it, combined with MADDE, are the future. | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | (AFAICT) | 11:25 |
| dimitris82z | Jaffa, i like very much qt creator and i have start already learning programming with qt c++ | 11:26 |
| dimitris82z | Jaffa, i will try madde but i dont have other choice | 11:27 |
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| dimitris82z | I saw the vmware image that has ubuntu with Esbox, i tried to fakeroot apt-get update in FREMANTLE_X86 but i saw that i dont have internet connection ,but on vmware image ubuntu i have , what am i doing wrong? | 11:38 |
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| flux | dimitris82z, check out for resolv.conf maybe? | 11:41 |
| flux | dimitris82z, you could try telnet/wget or something to try out your scratchbox-internet | 11:41 |
| dimitris82z | flux, i have already check ifconfig eth6 route and resolv.conf | 11:41 |
| dimitris82z | flux, i tried ping .. | 11:41 |
| flux | note that it's not the system /etc/resolv.conf, but in any case, if that's not the problem then I don't have suggestions, that's just one issue I had :) | 11:42 |
| dimitris82z | flux, where is the other resolv ? | 11:43 |
| dimitris82z | :P | 11:43 |
| flux | I don't remember, find /scratchbox -name resolv.conf | 11:43 |
| dimitris82z | flux, thnx flux | 11:43 |
| dimitris82z | flux, /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 11:44 |
| dimitris82z | flux, so i need to ifconfig and route from /scratchbox right? | 11:46 |
| dimitris82z | flux, with fakeroot ? | 11:48 |
| flux | dimitris82z, I don't think so | 11:49 |
| flux | atleast I've never used those | 11:49 |
| flux | (in sb) | 11:49 |
| dimitris82z | flux, it needs relogin ? | 11:50 |
| dimitris82z | flux, not working again :( | 11:50 |
| flux | maybe, I don't remember how it worked the last time I used it | 11:50 |
| dimitris82z | flux, oh ok.. | 11:50 |
| dimitris82z | flux, ubunntu has firewall on ? | 11:51 |
| flux | I think scratchbox is just a glorified chroot environment, spiced with qemu | 11:52 |
| dimitris82z | flux, because when i tried it with fedora all worked fine with the jebba howtos | 11:52 |
| flux | so firewall doesn't really matter | 11:52 |
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| BabelO_ | hi | 11:53 |
| flux | dimitris82z, ifconfig ethX should show exactly the same in scratchbox as it looks outside it, no? | 11:54 |
| flux | dimitris82z, do ip addresses work? | 11:54 |
| dimitris82z | flux, its shows exactly the same as ubuntu vm-image | 11:54 |
| * asj__ beats qmake with a rotten fish | 11:55 | |
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| dimitris82z | very nice madde doesnt play windows lol | 11:59 |
| dimitris82z | lol at last i run the emulator! | 12:14 |
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| asj__ | yay the .deb works, damn, what a pita | 12:18 |
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| dimitris82z | lol ! in the emulator i can open pages but in mantle_x86 i cant apt-get update! lol | 12:21 |
| woglinde | ????? | 12:21 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, i just test the maemo interface! i love it! i open web page from there and has internet but in the terminal if i run fakeroot apt-get update it tells me that cannot resolve nokes.nokia.com | 12:22 |
| woglinde | dimitris82z fix resolv.conf | 12:23 |
| woglinde | its a known bug sometimes with the sdk | 12:23 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, i tried ini the howto of this page http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/18/want-to-play-with-a-nokia-n900-right-now-well-kinda/ | 12:23 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, i just cp the local to mantle_x86 | 12:24 |
| woglinde | check /etc/resolv.conf | 12:24 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, its ok | 12:24 |
| dimitris82z | ok and to /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf either /scratchbox/users/maemo/etc/resolv.conf | 12:26 |
| woglinde | can you ping something with ip? | 12:27 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, i have noticed that i can wget! | 12:27 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, i cant ping because it need apt-get to install it first | 12:27 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, it needs to put new repos ? | 12:28 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, my repo list is good ? | 12:28 |
| woglinde | dimitris82z with ip or with hostname wget? | 12:28 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, i tried this :http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/18/want-to-play-with-a-nokia-n900-right-now-well-kinda/ | 12:29 |
| dimitris82z | wog wrong | 12:29 |
| dimitris82z | i tried this : wget http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe...../nokia-binaries/ | 12:29 |
| woglinde | hm ah the nokia binaries | 12:30 |
| woglinde | hm works here | 12:30 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, wht else to try? | 12:31 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, is it "nokes.nokia.com" right??? | 12:31 |
| dimitris82z | could not resolve 'nokes.nokia.com' | 12:32 |
| woglinde | nope | 12:32 |
| dimitris82z | from all repo | 12:32 |
| woglinde | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/bigpersonalnumber nokia-binaries | 12:32 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, only this needs ? the other sdk.. tools non-free and free? | 12:33 |
| woglinde | the other should word | 12:33 |
| woglinde | args work | 12:33 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, vi /etc/apt/sources.list right ? not in /scratchbox ? | 12:34 |
| woglinde | inside sratchbox | 12:34 |
| dimitris82z | damn | 12:34 |
| woglinde | sratchbox login | 12:34 |
| woglinde | edit /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:34 |
| dimitris82z | woglinde, i am already in but i say in the path like : /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/apt/sources.list ? | 12:35 |
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| dimitris82z | woglinde, its the same there too | 12:37 |
| woglinde | inside sratchbox you dont have /scratchbox | 12:37 |
| dimitris82z | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > ? | 12:38 |
| dimitris82z | here i have lol | 12:38 |
| woglinde | hm | 12:39 |
| woglinde | okay | 12:39 |
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| hrw | morning | 14:17 |
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| scoopr | hm, couldn't get mad remote debug to work, says can't find gdb | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | scoopr, which version of gdb | 15:09 |
| scoopr | I wouldn't know, what ever comes with MADDE I suppose | 15:09 |
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| * lcuk nods | 15:18 | |
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| hrw | time to finally check my app on device | 15:19 |
| lcuk | hrw, is it a qt app | 15:24 |
| hrw | yes | 15:24 |
| lcuk | would it be possible for you to install a proposed gdb 7.0 whilst its in limbo | 15:25 |
| lcuk | (ie before main servers but been tested with me for a while) | 15:25 |
| hrw | not today | 15:25 |
| lcuk | ok | 15:25 |
| hrw | I plan to spend less time on dev side of maemo5 | 15:26 |
| hrw | need to regain sanity | 15:26 |
| lcuk | heh good point | 15:26 |
| lcuk | your posting about the splattering of versions is pretty spot on | 15:27 |
| hrw | lenny based maemo5 would be nice to have | 15:27 |
| hrw | but thats nokia so we will stay with current crap until maemo11 | 15:27 |
| ifreq | why does the msn-plugins import offline contacts which ive allready removed locally and from the server? | 15:33 |
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| hrw | ARGHH | 15:40 |
| hrw | looks like qt 4.6 did not enabled kinetic scrolling | 15:40 |
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| ruskie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYrfTVMQkY <-- fun... make it a mini game for the n900 and use the acceloremeter to swing it ;) | 17:50 |
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| hrw | hi | 19:31 |
| sjaensch | hrw: hi | 19:32 |
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| woglinde | hrw next funny think with n900 | 19:34 |
| woglinde | the dialer dont let you dial *100# | 19:34 |
| ruskie | nothing new | 19:35 |
| hrw | or any other * started | 19:35 |
| woglinde | ruskie he I only discovered it today | 19:35 |
| hrw | woglinde: as ruskie said - old bug | 19:35 |
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| woglinde | as I wanted to check my prepaid sim card | 19:36 |
| hrw | woglinde: it is maemo - you expected working software? | 19:36 |
| woglinde | *g* | 19:37 |
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| jebba | some russian guys figured out how to hack around it, but the link is 404 now :( | 20:04 |
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| ruskie | jebba, tried google cache? | 20:55 |
| ruskie | or archive.org ? | 20:55 |
| jebba | ruskie: i tried google cache, but no archive.org | 20:56 |
| jebba | would be surprised if it hit archive.org | 20:56 |
| ruskie | yeah | 21:02 |
| ruskie | they tend have a half year delay | 21:02 |
| ruskie | hmm what's this n900 rebate that people talk about??? and where does it apply? | 21:02 |
| jebba | no clue. | 21:06 |
| sr71 | Amazon had this form for those who purchased the N900 from them: http://0x.to/v/n900_rebate.pdf | 21:15 |
| sr71 | purchase date had to be between November 16th 2009 and December 31st 2009 | 21:16 |
| jebba | pfft. $50 prepaid visa and you have to activate OVI store stuff too. | 21:17 |
| jebba | can you even do that yet? | 21:17 |
| jebba | i did get one fone from amazon. | 21:17 |
| sr71 | must be postmarked by January 8th 2010 and received by January 15th 2010 | 21:18 |
| ruskie | I also hear nokia.fr has something | 21:18 |
| hrw | question: since MyDocs partition can be not available (due to usb-storage) can package install something there? | 21:19 |
| ruskie | from what I know yes | 21:19 |
| hrw | but if it is unmounted at package install time it will fail | 21:20 |
| ruskie | why... it can get installed | 21:20 |
| ruskie | the dir is still there | 21:20 |
| hrw | I want to install /home/user/MyDocs/modules/utwory.sqlite file. when partition is mounted it is fine. when it is unmounted then it will install fine but dir will be 'covered' by /home/user/MyDocs/ partition contents and not available for my app | 21:21 |
| hrw | Am I right? | 21:24 |
| woglinde | lalala | 21:37 |
| jebba | hrw: yes, your logic seems sound. | 21:44 |
| jebba | but someone would have to be mounting their N900 via USB to their PC in that scenario. | 21:44 |
| jebba | debs installing things to ~/MyDocs (or ~ in general) seems to be a dodgy practice IMHO | 21:44 |
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| woglinde | yeah no deb should install something to users dir | 21:46 |
| hrw | jebba: my app fetches Protracker modules from net to MyDocs/modules/ dir (as maemo guide requires). it also uses 2.7MB sqlite3 database | 21:46 |
| hrw | jebba: so why not keeping it in same place? | 21:47 |
| hrw | woglinde: I know - but this is maemo... | 21:47 |
| jebba | ok, go ahead ;) | 21:47 |
| jebba | i'm just saying the scenario you outlined above would result in your file being mounted over and invisible. | 21:47 |
| jebba | just like you said | 21:47 |
| hrw | yep | 21:47 |
| woglinde | hrw hm its extra | 21:47 |
| woglinde | or not? | 21:48 |
| jebba | though a .deb install probably shouldn't run out to the net either i wouldnt think... | 21:48 |
| woglinde | there is no qa on extras you can only voted the crappy debs down | 21:48 |
| hrw | binary of player will land in /usr/bin/ dir, its deps in /opt/ dir, data in MyDocs/ subdir... | 21:48 |
| jebba | woglinde: can you vote up my crappy app? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-18/ | 21:48 |
| woglinde | he you karmawhore *g* | 21:49 |
| jebba | well, i just want the thing to land in extras so a friend of mine in other part of world can install it and i dont have to handhold him haha | 21:49 |
| jebba | hrw: probably best if your app installs it's binary to /opt as well. | 21:49 |
| flux | that problem could be fixed by chmodding ~user/MyDocs to 0, or possibly chowning it to 0.0 as well (before mounting) | 21:50 |
| woglinde | let auto optify it | 21:50 |
| woglinde | slow slow maemo.org | 21:50 |
| jebba | hrw: what is the application so i have an idea why you need to do this stuff? | 21:50 |
| hrw | jebba: protracker module player | 21:51 |
| hrw | binary has ~60KB now | 21:51 |
| jebba | ah cool, so in /opt it can free up 60k ;) What files need to be dumped to ~/MyDocs? | 21:52 |
| jebba | ah protracker modules | 21:53 |
| jebba | hmm, why not /opt/protracker/modules ? | 21:53 |
| jebba | or somesuch | 21:53 |
| hrw | jebba: it can be 10GB of them | 21:54 |
| hrw | whole collection has 10GB now | 21:54 |
| hrw | Protracker: 75556 files (10.0 GB total) | 21:54 |
| jebba | so your deb is gonna wget 10G of files to dump in ~/MyDocs? That's madness. | 21:55 |
| ifreq | this is madness /me kicks hrw into the pit | 21:57 |
| ifreq | THIS IS #MAEMO-DEVEL!! | 21:57 |
| ifreq | *g* | 21:57 |
| ifreq | sorry.. bored | 21:57 |
| hrw | jebba: no | 21:57 |
| hrw | jebba: there will be two debs: small (up to 100KB unpacked) with player and second (up to 3MB unpacked) with database for player. modules are fetched when needed | 21:58 |
| hrw | and stored on disk for next use | 21:58 |
| jebba | I'd suggest dumping those all in /opt/tracker/modules or somesuch and having your app also use ~/MyDocs/trackermodules or somesuch for user installed modiules they download later. | 21:59 |
| jebba | also, as a side note, ~/MyDocs can't symlink since its vfat | 22:00 |
| hrw | I do not need symlinks | 22:00 |
| flux | doesn't the retrieval and dumping of the modules happen as the user | 22:00 |
| flux | not much different from, say, a podcast downloader? | 22:00 |
| flux | of course they should go to ~user/MyDocs ? | 22:01 |
| hrw | flux: it happens as user ofcouse | 22:01 |
| jebba | i just have a "hunch" that installing .deb stuff to ~/* will come back to haunt at some point in the future. | 22:03 |
| flux | nothing was going to be installed to ~, right? | 22:03 |
| hrw | finally nothing will be | 22:04 |
| hrw | now it is not even packaged ;D | 22:04 |
| jebba | flux: ya, i think oringally he was considering it, but it's quite messsy ;) | 22:04 |
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