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| ruskie | jebba, yup | 00:46 |
| ruskie | jebba, and a gtar | 00:46 |
| ruskie | jebba, both in my nonopt repo | 00:46 |
| ruskie | anyway sleep | 00:47 |
| jebba | ah! noopt :P | 00:47 |
| jebba | ruskie: where's the repo? | 00:47 |
| jebba | URL?! before sleep! ;) | 00:47 |
| ruskie | https://repo.codemages.net/ nonopt/ | 00:52 |
| ruskie | sources are in source/ | 00:52 |
| ruskie | I'll probably run optify-deb on it and put it into opt/ as well | 00:53 |
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| jebba | si! | 01:27 |
| jebba | soo easy to optify... | 01:28 |
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| jebba | Col, added to my new repositories page http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories | 01:30 |
| Anidel | oh jebba, you're italian as well... didn't know | 01:33 |
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| jebba | i am? | 01:50 |
| woglinde | he jebba | 01:51 |
| Anidel | lately I can't read.. I ran a whois on you but read my own that I did earlier today :p | 01:51 |
| jebba | jaja | 01:52 |
| Anidel | :) the "si!" you wrote earlier also confused me.. :p | 01:52 |
| jebba | ah cool, didnt know there was maemo-it. No maemo-es, but really isnt available in most -es countries yet. | 01:55 |
| Anidel | I went there today and found ONE guy there :) sitting idle looks like | 02:00 |
| jebba | haha | 02:01 |
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| Miniscalope1 | Anidel: im sitting here every day waiting for someone. And when someone finaly speak i dont answer because i'm too shy | 02:56 |
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| jebba1 | haha | 03:11 |
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| micke | Hi, I have some questions about removing a package I uploaded to maemo extras-devel | 13:14 |
| micke | can anyone help me with that? | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | micke: Ask X-Fade or jeremiah on #maemo; or email niels@maemo.org or jeremiah@maemo.org | 13:28 |
| micke | Jaffa: thanx | 13:28 |
| ruskie | jebba, you can add the opt repository as well for me | 13:29 |
| ruskie | jebba, https://repo.codemages.net/ opt/ are the same packages just run through maemo-optify-deb | 13:39 |
| ifreq | optify-deb moves stuff under opt and makes symlink correct? | 14:04 |
| ruskie | yup | 14:04 |
| ifreq | why ie. opt/bin could be added to PATH and sw installed directly under there? | 14:05 |
| ruskie | I have two repos opt/ and nonopt/ | 14:05 |
| ifreq | yeh saw them yesterday | 14:05 |
| ruskie | ifreq, no /opt/maemo/bin | 14:05 |
| ifreq | was going thru your site | 14:05 |
| ifreq | ah anyways | 14:05 |
| ifreq | i dislike linking myself :) | 14:05 |
| ruskie | same here | 14:05 |
| ruskie | but for those that really want to :) | 14:05 |
| ruskie | it's there and they can play with it | 14:05 |
| ruskie | most of them are hacked togheter things | 14:06 |
| ruskie | but then looking at debian/ dirs it all looks like a massive collection of hacks anyway | 14:06 |
| ifreq | hrr | 14:06 |
| ifreq | i dont mind to have /opt/maemo/bin on my PATH instead of loads of symlinks :P | 14:06 |
| ruskie | agreed | 14:06 |
| ruskie | though probably /usr/local would be the better solution there | 14:07 |
| ruskie | and having that mounted on a specific partition | 14:07 |
| ruskie | anyway I'm happy with my repartitioned stuff | 14:08 |
| ruskie | I'll need to do some extra work on updates but beyond that probably not much | 14:08 |
| ifreq | im ok with the default, i dont use much sw. or the sw i use are not spacehungry like | 14:08 |
| ifreq | so dont care atm opt or not | 14:09 |
| ifreq | just ssh/browser/email/telnet/vpnc/default apps mostly | 14:09 |
| ruskie | well I removed a pile of default stuff already | 14:09 |
| ruskie | hoping someone will make a fork of browser switchboard for mail clients | 14:09 |
| ifreq | hmm that would be smart | 14:09 |
| ruskie | then I can get rid of modest as well | 14:10 |
| ifreq | did you remove em by hand of dpkg? | 14:10 |
| ifreq | or* | 14:10 |
| ruskie | mediaplayer is gone, flash, skype, messaging, mfe, probably others as well | 14:10 |
| ruskie | dpkg | 14:10 |
| ifreq | could remove some games atleast | 14:10 |
| ifreq | unuseful stuff :) | 14:10 |
| ruskie | I might remove the default ones as well | 14:10 |
| ruskie | mplayer+xmms2+djmount replace mediaplayer for me | 14:11 |
| ifreq | got screenshot of xmms2 on n900 screen? | 14:11 |
| ruskie | it has no gui :) | 14:11 |
| ruskie | terminal interface only | 14:11 |
| ifreq | ah okay heh | 14:11 |
| ifreq | then i could go for mpg123 | 14:12 |
| ifreq | :) | 14:12 |
| ruskie | one of the xmms2 devs atleast has the n900 as well | 14:12 |
| ruskie | also have it there ;) | 14:12 |
| ifreq | mp3blaster could be fun tho | 14:12 |
| ifreq | if you remember such app=) | 14:12 |
| ruskie | mpg123 is my preferd if I need something like it | 14:12 |
| ruskie | I'm hoping the xmms2 dev will make a nice interface | 14:12 |
| ruskie | he also plans on pushing xmms2 to extras | 14:12 |
| ifreq | nice | 14:12 |
| ifreq | didnt mplayer have some simple gui too? | 14:13 |
| ruskie | though as I hardly ever have anything in mp3 it's pointless | 14:13 |
| ruskie | kmplayer probably | 14:13 |
| ifreq | could remove default player too | 14:13 |
| ruskie | I did :) | 14:13 |
| ruskie | and since I like the access to upnp I installed djmount and use that for filesystem like access to upnp shares :) | 14:15 |
| ifreq | yeah read the man page :) | 14:17 |
| ifreq | i rsync my mp3s so ive got always music with me | 14:17 |
| ruskie | well I have a few oggs on it | 14:17 |
| ruskie | but basically if I really want music I'll just use some shout/icecast | 14:17 |
| ifreq | y | 14:17 |
| ifreq | tested the docs2go stuff? | 14:18 |
| ruskie | removed it | 14:18 |
| ifreq | heh yeah.. mayb no need | 14:18 |
| ruskie | I might get koffice or abiword/gnumeric when it's there | 14:18 |
| ruskie | http://sprunge.us/ahcJ <-- my default remove list :) | 14:19 |
| ruskie | I actually installed a newer modest built but it's still crap so that will go bye bye as well | 14:19 |
| ifreq | why not all default apps arent shown on appmanager btw? | 14:24 |
| ifreq | like the games etc | 14:24 |
| ruskie | no repo for them by default | 14:25 |
| ruskie | you need the nokia-binaries for a lot of them iirc | 14:25 |
| ifreq | ah riight :P | 14:25 |
| ifreq | okay so trying to remove games and it wants to remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr is used by Nokia to deliver firmware upgrades. | 14:37 |
| ifreq | so better not to remove :P | 14:37 |
| ruskie | erm | 14:42 |
| ruskie | why is it used to deliver updates? | 14:42 |
| ruskie | why not update just like normal apt-get dist-upgrade style | 14:42 |
| ifreq | yeah thats true | 14:44 |
| ifreq | but its nice notifier | 14:44 |
| ifreq | if something newer exists on the repo | 14:44 |
| ifreq | more or less just way you like it yourself :) | 14:45 |
| ruskie | erm | 14:57 |
| ifreq | i think its automatic notifier, thats why its nice to have | 15:00 |
| ifreq | mayb you like to run apt-get upgrade by daily basis | 15:00 |
| ifreq | i dont. not on a phone :) | 15:00 |
| ruskie | I tend to rarely upgrade overall | 15:00 |
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| jebba | ruskie: cool, thx for opt repo. Gonna upload to extras? | 16:09 |
| woglinde | hi jebba | 16:09 |
| jebba | heya woglinde | 16:13 |
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| ruskie | jebba, nope because it's to messy | 16:22 |
| mkargar | what time released maemo 6? | 16:25 |
| woglinde | mkargar when it is ready | 16:25 |
| woglinde | I think second half of 2010 maybee | 16:25 |
| jebba | ok, thx ruskie. i'm outta here for now to see if i can get an unlimited data plan with Telecom Personal. Be back in hours after waiting in line! | 16:26 |
| pingpong | does somebody know if it's possible to update the n900 from maemo 5 to 6 when it's ready? | 16:26 |
| mkargar | woglinde:oh!half of 2010??! | 16:27 |
| woglinde | mkargar its only a guess | 16:28 |
| woglinde | maybee 2011 | 16:28 |
| mkargar | woglinde:o|0 | 16:28 |
| mkargar | woglinde:maemo will be based on qt4?(complete) | 16:29 |
| woglinde | no | 16:29 |
| woglinde | in harmattan qt4 will be the main widgetset | 16:29 |
| woglinde | but you can use hildon too | 16:29 |
| mkargar | woglinde:what is hildon? | 16:30 |
| woglinde | the gtk widget set for maemo | 16:30 |
| mkargar | woglinde:i have newbie in maemo!i want another question!maemo 5 and 6 complety based on GTK? | 16:32 |
| woglinde | no | 16:32 |
| woglinde | on maemo5 == fremantle gtk/hildon is main widgetset but you can use qt4.5 and qt4.6 too | 16:33 |
| woglinde | on maemo6 == harmattan the main widgetset will be from qt 4.6 or greater and you can use gtk/hildon too | 16:33 |
| mkargar | woglinde:in fact,harmattan based on qt 4.6 and fremantle based on gtk!ok? | 16:35 |
| lcuk | woglinde, mmm so qt4.5 will be considered as alien as gtk? | 16:36 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, where ? in maemo6 ? | 16:37 |
| woglinde | VDVsx not? | 16:37 |
| woglinde | I am only guessing | 16:37 |
| lcuk | yes m6 | 16:38 |
| woglinde | but it would make sense | 16:38 |
| lcuk | come to think of it, theres an awful lot of compatability breaks for qt devs | 16:38 |
| VDVsx | qt4.5 and qt4.6 are 'fully' compatible, apart from the new stuff introduced in 4.6 | 16:39 |
| lcuk | so an app build on 4.5 should "just work" when built on a later stack? | 16:39 |
| mkargar | woglinde:in fact,harmattan based on qt 4.6 and fremantle based on gtk!ok? | 16:40 |
| VDVsx | in fact any Qt4.x can work in the never version without almost any modification | 16:40 |
| lcuk | "the never version" :D | 16:40 |
| VDVsx | I'm not a expert in the area, but for what I've seen only a few things aren't compatible | 16:41 |
| woglinde | mkargar vdvsx can make it clearer than me | 16:41 |
| lcuk | indeed VDVsx | 16:41 |
| woglinde | hm arent the qtlibs versioned? | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | harmattan will be based in Qt4.x and fremantle is based in hildon(GTK+ based) | 16:42 |
| woglinde | and the app will complain lib not found? | 16:42 |
| VDVsx | woglinde, yes,same as any lib | 16:42 |
| woglinde | yeah so you have to recompile it anyway | 16:42 |
| VDVsx | you can depend in =qt.4.5 or >qt.4.6 | 16:42 |
| VDVsx | for e.g | 16:42 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:ok!very thx! | 16:44 |
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| VDVsx | mkargar, more info here: http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/maemo-harmattan-keynote-at-gcds/ | 16:45 |
| woglinde | haha some one proted squeak | 16:45 |
| woglinde | lol | 16:45 |
| woglinde | some other wants ada | 16:46 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:very thx!i have n900!how to use harmattan on the it?(now) | 16:46 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, you can't, harmattan doesn't 'exist' yet | 16:47 |
| VDVsx | well, some people already have somethings for sure, but that doesn't count | 16:47 |
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| mkargar | VDVsx:ok!what time it released? | 17:00 |
| VDVsx | when it's ready | 17:00 |
| lcuk | probably a little after tea time | 17:01 |
| mkargar | lcuk:0|o! | 17:02 |
| lcuk | mkargar, that line does not parse | 17:02 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:ok!o eant using qt 4.6 on the my n900?how to i want? | 17:02 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, nah, finns like to release things early in the morning;) | 17:03 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, install it, it's available in the extras-devel repository | 17:04 |
| mkargar | *I want using... | 17:04 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, do you know that Qt is a programming framework to make applications ? not a shiny application right ? | 17:05 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, if you want to make applications you can use Qt in your PC with sbox or MADDE and them copy the apps to your n900 | 17:06 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:i confused!in fact.i want qt 4.6 on the n900 for install qt theme!qt app!i right? | 17:08 |
| woglinde | mkargar nope | 17:09 |
| woglinde | qt4.6 is programming framework | 17:09 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, madde magic arm compilation? | 17:10 |
| lcuk | or does it cheat or dont you knpow | 17:10 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, never used it, but it compiles for ARM | 17:10 |
| mkargar | woglinde:qt 4.6 on the extra repo is only for developer maemo? | 17:10 |
| * lcuk will try it | 17:10 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I think is like a chroot | 17:10 |
| woglinde | lcuk for qt4.6 you need some tricks | 17:11 |
| woglinde | from harald | 17:11 |
| woglinde | hm ah was only for macos x | 17:11 |
| woglinde | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/12/26/building-qt-46-for-maemo-5-apps-on-mac-os-x/ | 17:11 |
| lcuk | woglinde, cool, ill dig later at the windows one and then debug happily on device with gdb | 17:13 |
| woglinde | what you want to debug? | 17:13 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(toolkit) | 17:14 |
| lcuk | anything ive ben sorting out the gdb70 proper version | 17:14 |
| lcuk | cos 6.8 crashed and harold made a sidebranch | 17:14 |
| lcuk | so ive been validating it and making sure debugging occurs nicely | 17:14 |
| woglinde | cos? | 17:14 |
| * lcuk has been debugging liqbase too | 17:14 | |
| woglinde | yeah I used gdb7 for navit | 17:15 |
| woglinde | but its crashing in freetype and I am puzzled | 17:15 |
| woglinde | luck you have to set debug-file-path in gdb7 commanline | 17:15 |
| woglinde | it points to /usr/local/lib/debug as default | 17:15 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:i know!i am kde user!:)my mean is how to using qt theme and app on the n900? | 17:15 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, just install them if available for installation in the repositories, if not you need to compile them for the arm architecture | 17:17 |
| lcuk | woglinde, i havent changed the debug path | 17:17 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt | 17:17 |
| woglinde | mkargar apps compiled with qt automagicly takes the qt theme | 17:17 |
| lcuk | and you wont have my branch lol | 17:17 |
| VDVsx | woglinde, in the n900 they will get the fremantle theme :) | 17:18 |
| woglinde | vdvsx yes | 17:18 |
| woglinde | where qt4.6 is a bit more hildenized than qt4.5 | 17:19 |
| VDVsx | actually with Qt4.6 a direct port from Qt is much much better than a direct port from GTK ;) | 17:19 |
| woglinde | the biggest news is eclipse-rcp with qt | 17:21 |
| woglinde | okay playtime with my son | 17:22 |
| lcuk | woglinde, quake3? farcry? | 17:22 |
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| mkargar | whats libqt4-gui?since of install it,my maemo gui changed to qt?(from gtk) | 17:43 |
| VDVsx | no | 17:46 |
| woglinde | lcuk no | 17:47 |
| woglinde | is a game with colors and dices | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, maemo5 uses hildon/GTK+ for the system apps you can't automatically change that, of course you can run apps built using other GUI toolkits (Qt, EFL,...) | 17:49 |
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| phreck | gents, have we found a way to bring up 3g only while browsing? | 17:51 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:ok!very thx for repply to me!what qt app avilable | 17:51 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:ok!very thx for repply to me!what qt app available for maemo 5? | 17:53 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, only a few atm, google can help you finding that | 17:53 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:ok!for install qt app ao maemo,i need install libs? | 17:55 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, is like in any linux system, when you install a app the dependencies will be pulled as well | 17:56 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:ok! | 17:57 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:another question!i want connect to internet by n900!but,i have not internet service on mobile(internet on mobile is broken in iran!)!how to i want connect to internet? | 18:00 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, humm, no wifi router ? | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | I'm not sure if usb networking works easily in maemo5, probably not :( | 18:01 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:no!heh! | 18:02 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:what another way for connet to interne? | 18:03 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:+i using ADSL connection on the laptop! | 18:03 |
| VDVsx | if you have wifi in your PC you can create a Ad-Hoc network and share it with the n900 | 18:04 |
| phreck | or usb dun | 18:06 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:+i using ADSL connection (by ethernet card!)!and my laptop included wirless!it possible? | 18:06 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, yes it is | 18:07 |
| VDVsx | phreck, not sure if usb dun works in maemo5 | 18:07 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:how to ad-hoc? | 18:08 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, search for "ad hoc network linux" | 18:08 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:i using arch and kubuntu on the my system! | 18:08 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:what n900 settings since of configured ad hoc? | 18:13 |
| VDVsx | mkargar, on the n900 you only need to connect to the network | 18:14 |
| mkargar | VDVsx:ok!no need settings on n900! | 18:19 |
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| ruskie | usbnet is always a viable option | 18:55 |
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| mark87 | I'm trying to follow the dbus example here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_Basics but when I attempt to build it, it tells me it can't find dbus/dbus.h | 20:16 |
| mark87 | hmm, it seems like theres a command i'm supposed to append to the compiler to include libdbus but I can't remember what it is | 20:16 |
| ruskie | -I/path/to/includes | 20:22 |
| mark87 | right, well its libdbus, shouldn't the sdk know where thats at on its own | 20:28 |
| mark87 | and if it doesn't, i sure as hell don't know | 20:28 |
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| Miniscalope1 | someone know hwo i can, close, minimize an app by Dbus? | 20:40 |
| frals | gcc `pkg-config --cflags --libs dbus-1 dbus-glib-1` i use smth like that mark87 | 20:41 |
| ruskie | Miniscalope1, I would guess something like wmctrl would be more suited to that | 20:42 |
| mark87 | frals i just ran that, and now my terminal isn't... working | 20:47 |
| VDVsx | Miniscalope1, minimize: dbus-send --type=signal --session /com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.exit_app_view | 20:47 |
| mark87 | instead of [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > i get just > and its not accepting commands | 20:47 |
| mark87 | weird | 20:47 |
| lcuk | mark87, your console has a problem, i'm afraid to say, its terminal | 20:48 |
| VDVsx | ctrl+c or ctrl+z | 20:48 |
| VDVsx | :D | 20:48 |
| frals | lol lcuk | 20:48 |
| mark87 | ... | 20:49 |
| frals | sounds like you forgot a ` at the end mebbe? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | mark87, sounds like you borked a sequence, ctrl d | 20:49 |
| lcuk | unterminated if block or something in a command | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i used to close console window and restart when that happened :$ | 20:50 |
| frals | :D | 20:50 |
| mark87 | yea i was about to do that | 20:50 |
| lcuk | its the same when im in vim or something too | 20:50 |
| frals | ctrl+c shud work as well? | 20:50 |
| mark87 | ctrl+C did it | 20:50 |
| mark87 | but i added the ' to end and it crashed my scratchbox | 20:50 |
| mark87 | lol | 20:50 |
| lcuk | doh! | 20:50 |
| mark87 | segmentation fault | 20:50 |
| mark87 | seriously, i just want to #include <dbus/dbus.h> in my file | 20:51 |
| VDVsx | welcome to the C world ;) | 20:51 |
| mark87 | lol | 20:51 |
| * lcuk always misses d bus | 20:53 | |
| lcuk | tho ive seen more of dbus recently than i think a human should ever have to | 20:53 |
| VDVsx | dbus is very easy to use, if used with proper wrappers | 20:54 |
| VDVsx | in python or Qt for example ;) | 20:54 |
| frals | im fighting with dbus in python to get mms working | 20:54 |
| frals | im doing something wrong thou, should probably read thru the docs properly at some point | 20:54 |
| mark87 | i just recently saw that there was qt wrapper for dbus and i'm going to start using it whenever i figure out what the hell im doing | 20:55 |
| mark87 | good luck with the docs | 20:55 |
| frals | ive found the dbus-python docs to be lacking at times :P | 20:55 |
| lcuk | frals, you have really grasped this one, im pleased i know its tough subject | 20:56 |
| VDVsx | frals, that's a problem if you don't know the correct names for the services/signals, but if you know is always the same think:) | 20:56 |
| VDVsx | *thing | 20:56 |
| frals | yeah problem is when i test sending stuff to it through dbus-send it works fine, but not when wappushd is sending stuff to it | 20:57 |
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| mark87 | so don't have a dbus.h anywhere in my scratchbox | 21:20 |
| mark87 | and running apt-get install libdbus-1-dev tells me its already installed | 21:21 |
| mark87 | but i see here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6058&highlight=dbus/dbus.h that this guy just copied and pasted from the internet | 21:21 |
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| jebba | (11:26:15 AM) jebba: ok, thx ruskie. i'm outta here for now to see if i can get an unlimited data plan with Telecom Personal. Be back in hours after waiting in line! | 22:04 |
| * jebba rockin' the new "unlimited" data plan, yee haw | 22:04 | |
| jebba | only took 5.5 hours! ;) | 22:04 |
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| ruskie | jebba, lol | 22:13 |
| jebba | argentina is a country of lines | 22:17 |
| frals | so i got a c program here doing dbus_connectiong_register_object_path() and dbus_bus_request_name() working fine when im sending a dbus-send with a bogus message name, however if i register the service in python the dbus-send fails with UnknownMethodException complaining about my bogus message name | 22:32 |
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| frals | is my python implementation wrong or is dbus-python bindings doing something weird? ;o | 22:32 |
| woglinde | re jebba *grats* | 22:40 |
| jebba | they assign IP space out of 172.32.x.x don't see that too often. Usually 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x | 22:45 |
| ruskie | lol | 22:46 |
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| frals | nvm me, i just missed a small but important line :D | 23:23 |
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