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| ruskie | hmm rox-filer seems to be a usable file manager for the n900 even without hildonization | 10:11 |
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| ruskie | though lacks a bit of things | 10:12 |
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| ruskie | BabelO, so how's it going with qlandkarte? | 10:36 |
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| BabelO | hi | 11:50 |
| BabelO | ruskie, some progress, autobuilder miss some stuff i ve locally like mcd-dev | 11:51 |
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| blubbi | hi all, I got my n900 a week ago and now I would like to propper port some of my favorite applications to Maemo. Just small stuff like the text editor Joe. | 12:31 |
| ruskie | that should be easy enough | 12:32 |
| blubbi | Is there a howto/Guide how to do the packaging? I am a Gentoo user, so I never messed around with debian packages :-) | 12:32 |
| ruskie | setup an SDK | 12:32 |
| ruskie | add deb-src for etch|sid | 12:32 |
| ruskie | apt-get source joe | 12:32 |
| ruskie | cd joe* | 12:32 |
| ruskie | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 12:32 |
| ruskie | get the built package there | 12:33 |
| ruskie | should work for most cli stuff generaly | 12:33 |
| blubbi | hu, okay thats easy... would have crosscompiled it with /opt/ as prefix :_) | 12:33 |
| blubbi | ruskie: Okay, I'll get my hands on one of these VM SDK and try my luck | 12:34 |
| blubbi | ruskie: thanks a lot | 12:34 |
| ruskie | it isn't a VM :) | 12:35 |
| ruskie | there's a script on the page or you can emerge the stuff... but you'll need to look it up | 12:35 |
| ruskie | as for /opt there's maemo-optify somewhere as well | 12:36 |
| blubbi | But there are "Ubuntu VMS" with all SDK stuff preinstalled? | 12:36 |
| ruskie | frankly I don't but then I did a repartition :) | 12:36 |
| ruskie | no clue | 12:36 |
| blubbi | ruskie: you repartitioned the N900? | 12:37 |
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| blubbi | I thought the 200MB are located on OneNAND and therefore you can't extend this partition? | 12:38 |
| ruskie | you can always mount /usr to emmc ;) | 12:40 |
| ruskie | I have a 5gb /usr that is a partition on the emmc | 12:41 |
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| blubbi | okay, thats a good idea | 12:43 |
| ruskie | it's documentod on t.m.o - just search for repartition | 12:43 |
| ruskie | there's 3 different procedures at that | 12:43 |
| blubbi | But i first have to get my hands on a 16GB Card to backup my data :) before messing around with the FS | 12:43 |
| ruskie | :) | 12:43 |
| blubbi | ruskie: as long as maemo cant sync via GroupeDAV or MLsync over http I am stuck wich "local" backups :-( | 12:44 |
| ruskie | I'm wondering if I can use flasher to read the entire device | 12:45 |
| blubbi | ruskie: t.m.o? What's that? | 12:45 |
| ruskie | talk.maemo.org | 12:45 |
| blubbi | okay | 12:45 |
| blubbi | why not use cat on /dev/{devices,list} to read the eintire device? | 12:47 |
| ruskie | and store it where? | 12:47 |
| ruskie | I don't have large SD cards :) | 12:47 |
| blubbi | on the externam memory card | 12:47 |
| blubbi | ruskie: ah okay | 12:47 |
| ruskie | hell I have no clue what to do with the 20gb I have for /home now | 12:47 |
| blubbi | okay, what yout sshfs or NFS | 12:47 |
| ruskie | I rarely have so much data I need with me | 12:48 |
| blubbi | ruskie: ack | 12:48 |
| blubbi | but it would not be that harad to mount an external NFS/sshfs vie WLAN and then dump the stuff there | 12:48 |
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| ruskie | blubbi, I can do it with netcat if I really want ;) | 12:49 |
| blubbi | might not be the fastest way :-) | 12:49 |
| ruskie | but a flash image would be nicer | 12:49 |
| blubbi | ruskie: right | 12:49 |
| blubbi | uiii, there's dev-embedded/scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 in portage... | 12:53 |
| ruskie | this being maemo5 | 12:53 |
| ruskie | search on t.m.o or wiki | 12:53 |
| ruskie | iirc there is some mention about it | 12:53 |
| blubbi | ruskie: k, I'll keep on searching | 12:53 |
| blubbi | ruskie: but how's the naming strategy if maemo3 is maem5? | 12:54 |
| ruskie | it isn't | 12:54 |
| ruskie | that's old iirc | 12:54 |
| blubbi | 1.0.3 the ebuild says | 12:54 |
| blubbi | I'll keep on searching (would rather stay on gentoo then using debian or redhat or something similar :-) | 12:55 |
| blubbi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=420940 nice "gentoo x86_64 SDK" | 12:59 |
| blubbi | ruskie: thanks a lot | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba900: publish your kernel with fbcon and so on somewhere? | 14:27 |
| ruskie | hmm isn't it mentioned on his wiki page? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 14:29 |
| fnordianslip | trying to add a .desktop file and both desktop and package icons to my conky port. any tips? i've tried adding a uuencoded 48x48 png to control, but the build says "dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Maemo-Icon-26' in input data in package's section of control info file" | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | jebba900: it would be good to seperate getbootstate and /sbin/preinit, yeah | 14:31 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Installing_my_custom_kernel http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Compile_custom_kernel | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'm finally free of my thesis hell at least for a month, so i'm back in my role | 14:51 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: that icon warning is just noise, should be fine. | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:51 |
| jebba | cool. | 14:51 |
| jebba | what's your thesis? | 14:51 |
| w00t | nnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo- | 14:51 |
| w00t | :P | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | that it's possible to improve rehabilitation with computer vision and mobility detection | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:51 |
| jebba | :) | 14:51 |
| ruskie | sounds interesting | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:52 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: cheers. now i'm wondering what the easiest way to add the desktop and icon files is. do i have to hack the makefile, or i can i do it in debian/control somehow? | 14:53 |
| jebba | take a look at my burgerspace. 1 sec | 14:54 |
| jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/burgerspace/freemoe/burgerspace-1.8.3/debian/rules | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: any interest in helping out with mer/n900 when time is? | 14:55 |
| jebba | though there is an .xpm in in there that gets put in /usr/share/pixmaps that I need to rm | 14:55 |
| fnordianslip | cheers again | 14:55 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: ya, definitely | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:55 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: my goal is 100% free n900 | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | and mine is 97% (some hw blobs), so we can probably follow most of the way :P | 14:55 |
| * ruskie wants that as well | 14:55 | |
| ruskie | I can live with binary firmware | 14:55 |
| jebba | binary firmware for the lose | 14:55 |
| ruskie | feel free to reverse engineer it :) | 14:56 |
| ruskie | but apps should all be free :) | 14:56 |
| jebba | not sure what needs binary firmware at this point. A quick glance at the wifi i didnt see one (!) but i may have just overlooked it | 14:56 |
| jebba | you know what other firmware it's using? | 14:56 |
| jebba | the killer I see at this point is battery & GL video | 14:57 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: and you keep those resource files in the debian dir? | 14:57 |
| jebba | so we may have to use openbox & 2D ;) | 14:57 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: which resource files? sry? the icons? | 14:57 |
| ruskie | jebba, nahhh fvwm ;) | 14:57 |
| fnordianslip | icons and desktop files? | 14:57 |
| ruskie | lighter and more configurable :) | 14:57 |
| jebba | .desktop files you can put in the debian/ dir | 14:57 |
| ruskie | could probably make the current layout into a fvwm config easily :) | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: at least once we get token repos going, some of those problems are fairly more sane to deal with :P | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | but GL drivers are -really- weird | 14:58 |
| ruskie | I do hope oFono once it's there will be available for the n900 to replace the current framework | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | some claim TI allows redistribution of the SGX libs | 14:58 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: i see you have 64, 48 and 32 icons. why? | 14:59 |
| jebba | older debian packaging CAN'T INCLUDE BINARY FILES! I found this very lame. So to include an icon (e.g. in the diff), you have to uuencode it (no shit), or re-tar the .orig.tar.gz (which I did in burgerspace, but is a bad approach IMHO). The newer debian packaging can handle things like icons. You may be able to do it if you set up your debian/ to use quilt for patches, but i've only just touched on that. | 14:59 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, why not ue the pandora work and get a driver out of that? | 14:59 |
| jebba | 32 size icon cuz it is what came with burgerspace. WIll rm that one. "VDVsx: 48x48 for the app menu and 64x64 for the desktop shortcuts " | 15:00 |
| jebba | ofono seems to be very well advanced actually. I bet it could even make calls and such with the n900 now if someone bothered to go thru it all | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: afaik that is just vaporware atm (libs) | 15:01 |
| ruskie | I hope the interest might pickup... to bad amd isn't in the embeded graphics market | 15:03 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: thanks. your a useful guy to have around :) sorry for all the questions | 15:04 |
| jebba | no problem at all. :) | 15:04 |
| ruskie | :) | 15:05 |
| jebba | i gathered lots of this info bugging people on irc too. ehha. especially vdvsx, he helped a lot. | 15:05 |
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| jebba | ah, plus i don't really like the "RTFM" attitudes in some channels... I mean, it's not like we haven't all read enough fkn manuals. Nice to just get a quick answer about something like icons instead of wading through a dozen wiki pages with old info scattered about and trying to search for things like "debian icon patching the dirty ho" etc... | 15:07 |
| jebba | irc makes it easier :) | 15:08 |
| ruskie | yup | 15:08 |
| ruskie | though it also has the possibility of burnout | 15:08 |
| fnordianslip | its hard to find all of the bits of the manual, so its more like FTFM :) | 15:09 |
| jebba | ya, then you can just /igore or whatever, you're not obligated to answer the same question. But go into #openbsd and ask about default routes or somethign and shazang! you'll get lynched by 50 people who could all answer the Q in 1 sentence instead.... | 15:10 |
| jebba | ya FTFM is exactly it. The wiki needs a bit of refreshing. I'm gonna organize my page into sub sections then eventually see where it should go in the main wiki. | 15:10 |
| fnordianslip | i think i've just groked that the rules file is just another makefile, isn't it? | 15:10 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: ya, more or less. That's where ./configure is run from if it exists, for example. | 15:11 |
| ruskie | jebba, not my opinion of the openbsd crowd.. but I did get that when I tried it on freebsd | 15:11 |
| jebba | it is like foo.spec if you've done .rpm packaging. | 15:11 |
| ruskie | the rule file from what I can tell is a Makefile | 15:11 |
| ruskie | just named differentely | 15:11 |
| jebba | i love openbsd, but i would sweat for like 5 days over manuals before i dared ask anything around htere.... | 15:11 |
| fnordianslip | for my sins, i've been doing stuff with Windriver Linux, which is rpm based, but has a bespoke build system | 15:12 |
| jebba | it's more like a shell script, but ya. Could be in makefile format too. | 15:12 |
| ruskie | I tend to ask after I do a search and I mention that | 15:12 |
| ruskie | jebba, it is a Makefile... se the bottom and the escapes and so on :) | 15:12 |
| jebba | i actually like RPM packaging by comparison and I always though apt way superior.... | 15:12 |
| ruskie | I dislike all binary packaging :) | 15:12 |
| jebba | ruskie: i think it can be either. Like if you go #!/bin/sh or /bin/makefile -f or whatever it is | 15:13 |
| ruskie | I prefer spells(ref: source mage GNU/Linux) :) | 15:13 |
| fnordianslip | well, i am reading the wiki, but can't find everything that i'm looking for. | 15:13 |
| jebba | i *think* (but not so well sometimes) | 15:13 |
| ruskie | jebba, shell doesn't have .PHONY target ;) | 15:13 |
| ruskie | and target: whatever | 15:14 |
| ruskie | :) | 15:14 |
| jebba | ruskie: !/usr/bin/make -f if it starts liek that, ya. | 15:14 |
| jebba | but i think that is arbitary. You could #!/bin/zsh if you want or whatever | 15:14 |
| fnordianslip | good spot | 15:14 |
| ruskie | hmm I wonder | 15:15 |
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| ruskie | if it could be a script that would make packaging dead easy | 15:15 |
| ruskie | I wouldn't be suprised though if some dh script would complain about it somehow | 15:15 |
| jebba | ok, i shut up. every single rules file I looked at starts with #!/usr/bin/make -f ;) | 15:16 |
| ruskie | :) | 15:16 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: this is something left out of my rules that i haven't fixed. It's a one-liner no doubt, but i don't knwo what it is, if you happen to stumble across it: "Bug-tracker missing in package-desc/app" | 15:19 |
| fnordianslip | o you get that from the autobuilder? | 15:20 |
| fnordianslip | do even | 15:20 |
| fnordianslip | excuse my missing letters, i have a macbook pro | 15:20 |
| jebba | a dude reviewed the package (quite well): http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-10/ | 15:20 |
| jebba | heh | 15:20 |
| ruskie | what is burgerspace? | 15:20 |
| jebba | the greatest | 15:21 |
| * fnordianslip has to wait again for maemo.org | 15:21 | |
| jebba | well, supertux is the greatest, but burgerspace is quite good. very cute for n900. | 15:21 |
| ruskie | btw "Bug-tracker missing in package-desc/app" iirc that's an extra field to assign a bug tracker for each app | 15:21 |
| jebba | ya, but what bugtracker? bugs.m.o? I suppose i'd have to request it be added there or something. I'm not gonna set up bz for this ;) | 15:21 |
| fnordianslip | dev/null should do it | 15:22 |
| jebba | an actual haha | 15:22 |
| jebba | an actual line for Bz: fnoo or whatever would be convenient ahaha. | 15:22 |
| ruskie | or bugs@someemail | 15:22 |
| fnordianslip | qgil? | 15:23 |
| jebba | Xsbc-Bugtracker: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=SuperTux | 15:23 |
| fnordianslip | only joking | 15:23 |
| jebba | in the control file | 15:23 |
| ruskie | I guess that's what it's bothered about missing | 15:24 |
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| hrw | morning | 15:30 |
| ruskie | lo | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody got numptyphysics to work? | 15:31 |
| jebba | heya | 15:31 |
| fnordianslip | man i loved that on the n800. the bicycles were awesome | 15:31 |
| jebba | hrw: after you took off (last?) night i offered SDK space if you dont want to bother to set one up (IIRC you had some issue with it) | 15:32 |
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| ruskie | gah need to find the time to hammer away at the Digital nature theme sometime | 15:33 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products | 15:33 |
| ruskie | maybe this sunday... or next week when I'm on vacation | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | numptyphysics: failed to create user dir | 15:34 |
| xorAxAx | BabelO: can you document the RDS things on the wiki? | 15:36 |
| hrw | jebba: I am using maemosdk VM | 15:36 |
| jebba | ok | 15:39 |
| hrw | too bad that sbox is still used | 15:41 |
| jebba | there is an "SDK+" which uses scratchbox2, fyi | 15:43 |
| jebba | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ | 15:43 |
| hrw | how much does it differ? | 15:44 |
| jebba | i haven't used it yet. I gave it a quick glance, but it wouldnt install on 64bit | 15:44 |
| jebba | there is a nice FAQ listing the changes, but garage is dogging, believe it or not... | 15:45 |
| hrw | garage is working at nominal speed - sluggish one | 15:45 |
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| Khertan | re | 16:25 |
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| blubbi | mmh, I have a general question about optification... | 16:38 |
| blubbi | should I place the entire package in /opt/ | 16:38 |
| blubbi | like comiling the tool with /opt/TOOL as prefix | 16:38 |
| blubbi | so everything goes into /opt/TOOL/{etc,usr,var,...} | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | that'll break | 16:43 |
| blubbi | to the stuff has to go to /usr/bin | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and optification will move it to /opt | 16:44 |
| blubbi | Stskeeps: completely? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and set up symlinks | 16:44 |
| blubbi | okay, I understand | 16:45 |
| jebba | actually: ~ $ supertux | 16:46 |
| jebba | -sh: supertux: not found | 16:46 |
| jebba | ~ $ ls -l /opt/supertux/supertux | 16:46 |
| jebba | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 396560 Dec 9 21:34 /opt/supertux/supertux | 16:46 |
| jebba | and then the .desktop file just runs /opt/supertux/supterux | 16:46 |
| jebba | now if your package is `colordiff` or something you probably want that in the $PATH. In supertux the only thing put in /usr is the icons & .desktop file | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: anything with libs would be hell though :P | 16:47 |
| jebba | I use supertux as a reference for GUI applications because i believe it was done correctly because VDVsx appears to know WTF he's doing | 16:48 |
| VDVsx | no, I don't know :P | 16:48 |
| VDVsx | IMO for Apps that's the correct way, no need to create thousands of symlinks in the system for nothing | 16:49 |
| VDVsx | also no need to use maemo-optify, just place everything into /opt (apart from libs of course) | 16:50 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: /opt/maemo/usr/lib appears to work for a package that burgerspace depends on (libzebra) | 16:50 |
| jebba | libflatzebra | 16:50 |
| jebba | and I didn't do any extra $foo to make burgerspace find it there | 16:50 |
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| jebba | dunno if somewhere/time ldconfig /opt/maemo/libs is run--must be | 16:52 |
| blubbi | so is there any guide? Maemo file system guide? | 16:53 |
| VDVsx | blubbi, about /opt ? | 16:56 |
| blubbi | about placing files | 16:56 |
| blubbi | for example i was looking at AccDisplay http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/accdisplay/1.0/ | 16:56 |
| blubbi | some Python files go to /opt/accDisplay/ | 16:57 |
| VDVsx | blubbi, my recommendation: new apps should put everything into /opt apart from the icons and .desktop file | 16:57 |
| blubbi | but the executable is in /usr/bin | 16:57 |
| VDVsx | blubbi, if you're using a .desktop file you can put the exc anywhere in the system | 16:58 |
| blubbi | so from what I read here the bin should also go to /opt/accDisplay/ and then should be symlinked | 16:58 |
| VDVsx | blubbi, if you want to use to have it in the console path,yes | 16:58 |
| VDVsx | s/use/have it | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Seems reasonable | 16:58 |
| blubbi | VDVsx: okay, and the icons and Desktopfiles go where? | 16:59 |
| VDVsx | blubbi, normal places for maemo | 16:59 |
| jebba | blubbi: IMHO if it is a GUI app you expect people to launch by tapping at it, just leave it out of /usr/bin. If it's a command line app you think people will run from the xterm (e.g. some dev tool, git, diff, telnet or whatever) then put a symlink in /usr/bin | 16:59 |
| VDVsx | you can use symlinks to | 16:59 |
| VDVsx | *too | 16:59 |
| fnordianslip | nice. i now have a cool picture of Conky himself for the conky icon | 16:59 |
| blubbi | VDVsx: thanks for the clarification | 17:00 |
| blubbi | VDVsx: I am just reviewing some apps I use on my phone and commenting them :-) Next step will be to port joe for maemo :) | 17:00 |
| VDVsx | blubbi, the desktop file is very small, IMO there no need to create a symlink, same for some icons | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how about moving /usr and /var to eMMC? | 17:01 |
| VDVsx | DocScrutinizer51, fat32 | 17:01 |
| blubbi | DocScrutinizer51: unneccessary if everyone sticks to the symlinking I would guess | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not the whole eMMC is vfat | 17:01 |
| blubbi | second it would slow down the access | 17:02 |
| blubbi | wouldn't it? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not significantly from what I heard | 17:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 seems to remeber somebody's quote of NAND:15 eMMC:12 uSD:10 or similar ballpark | 17:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | on a system with only 256MB on bootdevice and as much as 32G elsewhere - with /fs filled at least 2/3 but easily 90% - I'd honestly stick to the classic partitoning/filesystem setup of a bare minimum (like /boot /etc /bin /sbin /lib /root) on bootdevice. And have all other dirs, particularly /home /usr /var /opt on extended storage own partition(s) | 17:14 |
| blubbi | DocScrutinizer51: would make sens | 17:15 |
| blubbi | one might keep the UI on the OneNAND... | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *g*. Not invented here. Probably kernigan and Richie invented that | 17:17 |
| fnordianslip | 'm pretty sure that lvm doesn't work with MTDs and UBIFS, and its a shame though | 17:19 |
| fnordianslip | I'm | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blubbi: if you have files with really high demand for fast readout, and those files should have a path that places them on /usr or /opt etc. Then you might create a /speedstore dir on NAND and symlink back from /opt/foo to /speedstore | 17:20 |
| fnordianslip | i guess the problem is maintaining consistency when reflashing | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fnordianslip: yep. that's an issue I guess | 17:21 |
| blubbi | DocScrutinizer51: good point | 17:24 |
| * fnordianslip was thinking about the readonly-root mechanism in fedora, which provides a writeable overlay in a seperate partition, which gets populated by shadowing (only once) from the readonly rootfs, and uses bind mounts. | 17:25 | |
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| fnordianslip | but there's still the big issue of updating the writeable overlay when you reflash the rootfs | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fnordianslip: I pondered along that line as well last few days | 17:26 |
| fnordianslip | the fedora readonly-root stuff works nicely for me on a virtex4 fpga | 17:27 |
| fnordianslip | any idea what time past the hour the extras-devel repo gets updated from the autobuilder? | 17:31 |
| * fnordianslip guesses at 15:46z for devel repo update | 17:36 | |
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| fnordianslip | woohoo. i was right :) | 17:48 |
| jebba | heh | 17:53 |
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| fnordianslip | need a new volunteer to try my latest conky package in devel. this could be the one to go to testing. has icons, a desktop file for launching, installs the default conf and droid-fonts as a dependency. | 17:54 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: could you be the lucky tester? | 17:54 |
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| fnordianslip | don't all rush | 17:55 |
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| jebba | ok, i'll check it out | 17:56 |
| fnordianslip | cheers. should "just work" :) | 17:56 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: you check out burgerspace in -testing then :P | 17:57 |
| jebba | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-10/ | 17:57 |
| fnordianslip | ok. optified i assume? | 17:57 |
| jebba | ya | 17:57 |
| jebba | i min gotta go | 17:57 |
| jebba | 1 min | 17:57 |
| fnordianslip | oh, its only small anyway | 17:57 |
| fnordianslip | wow just realised what time it is. doing well as didn't sleep last night | 17:58 |
| jebba | hehe, best way to hack | 18:00 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 18:00 |
| fnordianslip | i was watching films all night. only started hacking this morning | 18:00 |
| bobbyd | I notice that the scrolling of the backdrop on the desktop of the n900 isn't as smooth as, say, the eCoach map implementation. | 18:01 |
| bobbyd | is there scope to optimise that, and if so, are the components that implement it open? | 18:01 |
| jebba | gah, i'm at 100%, gotta solve that first | 18:02 |
| fnordianslip | eek | 18:03 |
| jebba | i really dont have that many apps installed either... | 18:07 |
| fnordianslip | mplayer? | 18:07 |
| jebba | i'm going to complain in the package reviews of the offenders now | 18:07 |
| fnordianslip | which are they? | 18:07 |
| jebba | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.3M Nov 18 20:07 x11vnc | 18:08 |
| jebba | that's the first one | 18:08 |
| fnordianslip | pah. vnc is for WIMPS | 18:08 |
| fnordianslip | ^ pun. gettit? | 18:08 |
| jebba | heh. I would if i knew what WIMPS wass heh | 18:10 |
| fnordianslip | ah. odd. Conky doesn't have the right icon in the "app grid", but it does for the shortcut on the desktop. wonder why? | 18:10 |
| jebba | 152.0k Dec 16 12:58 vagalume ciao vagalume | 18:10 |
| fnordianslip | Windows, Icons & Mouse Pointers | 18:10 |
| fnordianslip | or perhaps Menus and Pointers. wikipedia will know for sure. | 18:11 |
| jebba | man that cursor just spins submitting comments on packages. | 18:13 |
| fnordianslip | any idea on my icon issue ^^ | 18:14 |
| jebba | WTF is "app grid" ? | 18:14 |
| jebba | you have both a 48x48 and 64x64? | 18:14 |
| fnordianslip | i dunno what else you call it, the thing under "More..." | 18:14 |
| fnordianslip | there's a base-64 encoded 48 in the control file for the package, and a 64 referenced in the desktop file | 18:15 |
| fnordianslip | when you install conky you'll see what i mean | 18:16 |
| jebba | ok wait a few minutes. this may take like 30 minutes to sort out all this especially BECAUSE GARAGE IS SO asdfaskjdfsad well, you know | 18:17 |
| jebba | err, maemo.org/packages in this case not garage | 18:17 |
| fnordianslip | it fetched from devel repo ok | 18:18 |
| jebba | i mean for removing non optified packages and commenting on them as I go... | 18:18 |
| jebba | brb people here | 18:18 |
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| BabelO | xorAxAx: wiki link please ? :) | 18:30 |
| jebba | 801.5k Jan 26 2009 gpg | 18:32 |
| BabelO | jebba : when you add maemo-optify to rules file, what else it need to go under /opt ? | 18:32 |
| jebba | well, if you use maemo-optify it pretty much figures it all out magickally. | 18:33 |
| jebba | Hmm, gnupg is actually part of default install. hrumph. | 18:33 |
| jebba | AFAICT | 18:33 |
| BabelO | jebba when i install package on scratchbox it does not install under /opt | 18:33 |
| xorAxAx | BabelO: create a new page | 18:34 |
| xorAxAx | BabelO: gives you karma as well :) | 18:35 |
| BabelO | xorAxAx: ok i will do | 18:35 |
| jebba | BabelO: you can check the package like: dpkg --contents foo.deb | 18:36 |
| BabelO | xorAxAx: i have 12 of farma but don't know from where it is | 18:36 |
| jebba | also ` echo auto > foo-1.2.3/debian/optify ` BabelO | 18:36 |
| BabelO | jebba thanks | 18:37 |
| BabelO | xorAxAx: i ve to finish the packaging o qlandkartem | 18:37 |
| BabelO | then do the wiki while i package my rds radio application | 18:37 |
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| jebba | would be nice if removing packages actually freed up space... still says 100%, but no way. need a reboot i suppose... | 18:38 |
| fnordianslip | gud luck then | 18:39 |
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| ruskie | jebba, tried apt-get clean yet? | 18:42 |
| BabelO | ok it link to /opt/maemo/usr/bin | 18:42 |
| BabelO | but it does not put desktop file, grrrh qt build is not so easy | 18:42 |
| BabelO | with debian | 18:42 |
| jebba | ruskie: heh ya | 18:43 |
| jebba | BabelO: /usr/share/applications/hildon/burgerspace.desktop for .desktop | 18:43 |
| BabelO | jebba yes sure | 18:44 |
| BabelO | i ve setup my .pro file like the wiki says | 18:44 |
| BabelO | i think i miss something in rules file | 18:44 |
| BabelO | other thing, modest is locked with my mail for exchange sever and i don't know how to do :( | 18:45 |
| ruskie | open a terminal and pkill -9 modest ? | 18:45 |
| BabelO | ruskie: not that, it yscannotcng txxxxxxxooooooo | 18:46 |
| BabelO | oups | 18:46 |
| ruskie | erm? | 18:46 |
| BabelO | bluetooth keyboard :) | 18:47 |
| BabelO | it says cannot chnge to mailbox dir | 18:47 |
| BabelO | so i ve removed the mfe entry from modest | 18:47 |
| BabelO | and no i cannot add again my mfe server :( | 18:47 |
| ruskie | mmm AP is working | 18:47 |
| BabelO | and i still see in status bar the mfe error message | 18:47 |
| BabelO | i ve gmail mailbox setup and works well | 18:48 |
| BabelO | just problem with mfe | 18:48 |
| ruskie | try what I said | 18:48 |
| ruskie | pkill -15 modest | 18:48 |
| ruskie | or -9 | 18:48 |
| ruskie | and then try launching it again | 18:48 |
| BabelO | already done ,reboot phone shutdown phone | 18:48 |
| BabelO | all done | 18:48 |
| BabelO | it is like that since 1 week | 18:49 |
| BabelO | i have to ask some modest developper i think | 18:49 |
| * ruskie hasn't been able to build his own modest yet | 18:49 | |
| BabelO | even removed the mfe profile, and now i can't add a new one | 18:50 |
| ruskie | configure always errors out with MODEST_GSTUFF not found or something along those lines | 18:50 |
| ruskie | can't really help you | 18:50 |
| BabelO | ruskie: i think i will build modest too, to add active directory contacts :) | 18:50 |
| ruskie | I removed mfe and skype and flash and other crap | 18:50 |
| ruskie | modest will go as soon as I get an app that can manage mailto: dbus messages and open what I want | 18:51 |
| BabelO | so you have an iphone like :) without flash and crap | 18:51 |
| ruskie | erm | 18:51 |
| BabelO | i ve upgraded my scratchbox since autobuilder require gconf2 and locally it don't ask with check deps | 18:53 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: dont feed the troll plz | 18:53 |
| fnordianslip | wrong room? | 18:54 |
| ruskie | nope | 18:55 |
| jebba | #maemo | 18:56 |
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| BabelO | jebba: sudo run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/qlm | 18:59 |
| BabelO | is it normal to force sudo ? | 18:59 |
| jebba | what is qlm? Not sure if it is normal to force sudo. You got some pointers for your package? | 19:03 |
| * jebba installing conky finally with 20M free! :) | 19:03 | |
| fnordianslip | ooh. 20MB. i have 56MB free | 19:05 |
| BabelO | jebba: qlm is my application for GPS, see www.qlandkarte.org | 19:06 |
| ruskie | hmm is it in extras-devel yet? | 19:07 |
| fnordianslip | ah. i thought that was some kind of game driving carts - lol | 19:07 |
| jebba | BabelO: looks cool. You sure it has to run as root though? | 19:07 |
| BabelO | ruskie: i try to push it, if i did not miss more deps, now it should works | 19:07 |
| BabelO | jebba: time of qtopia qt application need to run as root | 19:08 |
| ruskie | erm | 19:08 |
| ruskie | why does it need to run root? | 19:08 |
| jebba | BabelO: huh? qt applications dont need to run as root. | 19:09 |
| BabelO | jebba: i have a grennphone it run as root | 19:09 |
| BabelO | that' was like that | 19:09 |
| ruskie | nothing user runnable should run as root | 19:09 |
| BabelO | i remove sudo | 19:09 |
| BabelO | and see | 19:09 |
| BabelO | ok i ask qt-maemo | 19:10 |
| jebba | BabelO: just try it withotu sudo. Sounds like an app that doesnt need sudo | 19:11 |
| BabelO | i know that | 19:11 |
| jebba | they may have put in sudo in another distro because they didnt have perms to the GPS or something and did a cheap solution to that. | 19:11 |
| BabelO | but it was a qt deps but it was 2 year ago | 19:11 |
| BabelO | maybe fixed now | 19:11 |
| jebba | ... | 19:11 |
| BabelO | jebba: this was a work i do, with qtopia http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393973 | 19:15 |
| ruskie | gah | 19:16 |
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| ruskie | why do they always respond with: this doesn't need sources | 19:16 |
| BabelO | ruskie: ? | 19:16 |
| ruskie | a bug jebba filled for opening up something | 19:17 |
| BabelO | :) | 19:17 |
| BabelO | ok qlm sent to builder queue :) cross finger | 19:17 |
| BabelO | should be ok this time | 19:17 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: conky installed and working :) | 19:17 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: right, so i'm guessing that you get a good icon in app man, and if you install a desktop shortcut, but a blue square if you look in the "app grid thingy" | 19:18 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: no icon, but you know that i assume | 19:19 |
| hrw | fnordianslip: thats known bug and got fixed now | 19:19 |
| hrw | last installed app gets default icon | 19:19 |
| jebba | i didnt check app man, will do now | 19:19 |
| hrw | you need to reboot or install something | 19:19 |
| fnordianslip | but a desktop shortcut gets the right icon? | 19:19 |
| hrw | I reported it some time ago | 19:19 |
| fnordianslip | hrw: ok | 19:19 |
| hrw | fnordianslip: did not tested | 19:20 |
| jebba | huh? | 19:20 |
| jebba | what bug? | 19:20 |
| jebba | i dont think that's a bug. didn't happen to my app | 19:20 |
| hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 | 19:20 |
| povbot | Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in "More..." view has default icon instead of own one | 19:20 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: icon looks fine in app man | 19:20 |
| hrw | povbot should also report component and status | 19:20 |
| povbot | hrw: Error: "should" is not a valid command. | 19:20 |
| jebba | hrw: that may be because they are not updating the icon cache in postinst | 19:21 |
| jebba | i'll check midori source now to see what it does | 19:22 |
| hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6729 | 19:22 |
| povbot | Bug 6729: gtk-update-icon-cache -f shouldn't say Failed to open file /usr/share/icons/hicolor/.icon-theme.cache : File exists | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: gtk-update-icon-cache is going away in next maemo gtk iteration it seems like | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | turning it into a nullop | 19:23 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: if you add a desktop shortcut to conky, you get the icon, right? | 19:23 |
| jebba | yes, but in the list of icons to add, it's got a blue box | 19:24 |
| fnordianslip | indeed | 19:24 |
| fnordianslip | weird | 19:24 |
| jebba | i didn't get the "Failed to open file /usr/share/icons/hicolor/.icon-theme.cache : File exists" error, fwiw | 19:28 |
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| jebba | hrw: actually fnordianslip isnt calling gtk-update-icon-cache at all, so that's why it's not happening in his case (he appears to have parted) | 19:30 |
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| jebba | (02:30:08 PM) jebba: hrw: actually fnordianslip isnt calling gtk-update-icon-cache at all, so that's why it's not happening in his case (he appears to have parted) | 19:32 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: see this file for an example of how to update you icon: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/supertux/maemo/supertux-stable-0.1.3/debian/postinst | 19:33 |
| fnordianslip | weirder. now i've installed gconvert to try and sort out the icon cache thing, and now both conky and gconvert's icons are default int he grid thingy, but ok when added as a shortcut | 19:33 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: cheers | 19:33 |
| jebba | gonvert does run gtk-update-icon-cache but doesnt have a 48x48 icon | 19:34 |
| fnordianslip | fing typcial :) | 19:34 |
| fnordianslip | typo fail | 19:34 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: too bad conky can't run on the desktop though, that would be rad | 19:35 |
| jebba | or fullscreen or something | 19:35 |
| fnordianslip | i'll see what i can do, but not convinced i'd want it eating cycles on the desktop much | 19:35 |
| jebba | still cool nonetheless thx :) i'll definitely keep this package :) | 19:35 |
| jebba | ya, probably not by default, but if a user wants to eat cycles... | 19:36 |
| jebba | also, color would be cool if there was a better stock conky.conf | 19:36 |
| fnordianslip | fill yer boots | 19:36 |
| fnordianslip | you should have seen the pink one | 19:36 |
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| jebba | maybe it could even be run like: "nice -n 10 conky" | 19:37 |
| jebba | on mine it is running 2 processes consuming about 2.5% cpu eat, fyi | 19:38 |
| jebba | (if i tap the screen a few times it "clicks" and pulseaudio shoots up to 7% cpu haha= | 19:38 |
| fnordianslip | yep same here | 19:39 |
| fnordianslip | handy seeing the cpu clock too | 19:39 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: is there anyway to fullscreen it? | 19:42 |
| fnordianslip | not as far as i know | 19:43 |
| fnordianslip | i noticed qwerty12 did an old build for chinook/diablo, so i might have a word with him | 19:43 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: i didn't hack anything out the build, so there may be a way, but i couldn't get it onto the desktop | 19:44 |
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| anidel | hi | 19:51 |
| jebba | fnordianslip: own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky | 19:52 |
| fnordianslip | ooh. what does that do? screenshot? | 19:52 |
| jebba | try it | 19:53 |
| jebba | basically full screen | 19:53 |
| jebba | so more space to add more goodies | 19:55 |
| fnordianslip | ah yes, still the status bar on top though | 19:57 |
| jebba | http://pastebin.com/f2027650b my current config | 20:00 |
| jebba | ya, but it's still fine. I definitely think it's better that way at least. | 20:00 |
| jebba | that status bar is transparent so nothing important is unreadable | 20:01 |
| jebba | http://sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl may be a cool app to package up: "A command line tool to interact with an X Window Manager" you can fuck around with window placement with it. Probably a good way to extract info about how the desktop works on this thing too | 20:02 |
| fnordianslip | cool. just need to sort out the icon issue | 20:02 |
| jebba | though not sure how "EWMH/NetWM compatible X Window Manager." that the maemo window manager is. | 20:02 |
| jebba | well doesn't appear to be ewmh compatible at all, but not certain | 20:05 |
| BabelO | ruskie: ok app is available on extras-devel now, have to try once package is published | 20:05 |
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| jebba | what was i doing anyway? I think i got sidetracked from what i was sidetracked from | 20:06 |
| fnordianslip | you may be back on the right track then | 20:07 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/17/released-sources-of-my-protracker-module-player/ | 20:13 |
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| ruskie | mod player? have it with xmms2 :) | 20:18 |
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| ruskie | gah... dnsmasq seems to cache nxdomain as well :( | 20:41 |
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| jebba | shit, i removed gnupg thinking it was something i added, not stock, but trying to grab it again: | 20:56 |
| jebba | E: Package gnupg has no installation candidate | 20:56 |
| jebba | dumb dumb dumb | 20:56 |
| ruskie | should be there | 20:57 |
| ruskie | check thesdk and tools repos | 20:58 |
| ruskie | might be there | 20:58 |
| fnordianslip | once removed everything with apt-get, even busybox. oops | 21:06 |
| jebba | ahha | 21:06 |
| jebba | i once, waaaay back when, removed /lib or /usr/lib or something that was a bit of a mess. | 21:07 |
| ruskie | lol | 21:07 |
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| fnordianslip | aptitude once asked me if i was sure i wanted to uninstall the running kernel | 21:08 |
| ruskie | rofl | 21:09 |
| fnordianslip | recovering within aptitude was easier than the devastation left by apt-get with no busybox to return to | 21:10 |
| jebba | ah cool was in SDK, thx for mentioning it ruskie | 21:11 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: postinst ftw with conky icons | 21:12 |
| jebba | cool! hrw|gone ^^^ | 21:12 |
| ruskie | :) | 21:18 |
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| ruskie | hmm we need a bot in here that would report promotions, demotions, builds, publishes | 21:29 |
| jebba | would be cool. Might get a bit noisy. But writing the bot.... | 21:30 |
| ruskie | or a plugin to an existing one | 21:31 |
| * ruskie has a rbot around but has no clue where to get the data | 21:31 | |
| ruskie | is there a rss feed? | 21:34 |
| jebba | there is a mailing list of successful builds. I have it in #random on my page | 21:34 |
| ruskie | hmm that could work | 21:34 |
| ruskie | I'll try to get something going | 21:35 |
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| ruskie | hmm still no qlm that I can see | 21:40 |
| jebba | may need #maemo-noise heh | 21:40 |
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| ruskie | yay qlm installed | 22:21 |
| ruskie | though not starting | 22:24 |
| ruskie | BabelO, doesn't start for me... just keeps starting | 22:24 |
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| Anidel | hi | 23:06 |
| jebba | hey | 23:21 |
| Anidel | hey | 23:24 |
| jebba | hey | 23:24 |
| Anidel | hi | 23:25 |
| Anidel | ok :P | 23:25 |
| Anidel | so .. is here someone good enough with GTK? | 23:25 |
| jebba | not me | 23:25 |
| Anidel | or at least with exp in GTK and GTK UI Manager | 23:25 |
| Anidel | cool :) | 23:25 |
| Anidel | well I solved it, but I don't like the solution.. there must be a better way | 23:26 |
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