| frals | looking forward to meeting this mystic ui team now ;) | 00:02 |
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| andre__ | heh. I also only know a few people. | 00:05 |
| andre__ | maybe that's better for their health. :-P | 00:05 |
| andre__ | wolf^, will you kill me if I close https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7411 as a duplicate of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8017 ? | 00:17 |
| povbot | Bug 7411: "Rubber band" effect not smooth | 00:17 |
| povbot | Bug 8017: Kinetic scrolling of hildon scrollable things has a frame rate that is too slow for some customers' tastes | 00:17 |
| andre__ | that's a heated topic already... | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: it depends | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | in this case, the interlocutor was the caller | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | because it's the person to whom the person w/ the n900 was speaking | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and the instructions indicated that the n900 was called (thus callee) by the caller (thus interlocutor) | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: you get extra beers for killing them all | 00:21 |
| frals | sounds great *cough* | 00:22 |
| andre__ | but the video on youtube | 00:23 |
| andre__ | s/but/put | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, referring to andre__'s quote. | 00:23 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yeah s/GeneralAntilles:/andre__:/ | 00:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: fwiw | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe preed is of mozilla fame | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (and bugzilla for that matter) | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so feel free to smack him harder :) | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i think this is the classic "gtk tree views suck" bug | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | which can also be written as "any tree view will always suck" | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | for gecko, we eventually managed to make tree views /almost/ not suck | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | but they still suck | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and they're crashy/security risks | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i think in theory gtk could try to cheat by forcing the tree painter to paint into a buffer for a couple of screens | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and while panning it could skip painting things it doesn't think the user actually cares about | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's /probably/ possible to get decent 'fps' by cutting those corners | 00:38 |
| andre__ | yes, htktreeview sucks badly | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but to do so, gtk would also have to be responsible for dropping its cache whenever the window is _not_ topmost | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise, as eero wrote, memory expense for each buffer would kill the platform | 00:39 |
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| wolf^ | andre__, it's not really a duplicate, but fixing 8017 will hide 7411, so I guess I'm fine with it | 01:09 |
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| Milhouse | i wonder if there is any change of another round of testing with PR1.2 before it goes public? | 01:27 |
| Milhouse | s/change/chance/ | 01:27 |
| Milhouse | As we did with PR1.1 in mid December... | 01:28 |
| wolf^ | andre__, ok, I've read all the comments and saw it's resolved as invalid | 01:30 |
| wolf^ | andre__, I'd advise you to unduplicate 7411 | 01:31 |
| wolf^ | andre__, 8017 is generic yapping about low framerates | 01:31 |
| wolf^ | andre__, 7411 shows that there's something wrong happening underneath | 01:31 |
| wolf^ | andre__, ie. refer to comment 25 in 8017 | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Milhouse: i don't think anyone knows when pr1.2 will happen | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but hopefully if management found the feedback from the 1.1 testing helpful they'd arrange for a similar round for 1.2 | 01:32 |
| andre__ | wolf^, thanks, reopened. please comment on it again | 01:32 |
| wolf^ | andre__, ok | 01:32 |
| andre__ | Milhouse, the question is whether managers think that the community testing feedback was helpful | 01:33 |
| andre__ | also like how many reports got we from testers, how many people actually reported bugs out of those that had access to testing | 01:34 |
| andre__ | "if 12 out of 35 used it, did it make sense to have that effort again?" | 01:34 |
| andre__ | err s/did/does | 01:34 |
| Milhouse | andre: what's your take on how it went? | 01:43 |
| Milhouse | (off the record, like) ;) | 01:43 |
| Milhouse | I think it could have been better... but were many bugs reopened that were closed ? I only know of one | 01:43 |
| Milhouse | (although timeless would disagree with even that one, I think) | 01:43 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 01:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | i like it | 01:44 |
| Milhouse | one thing I would say is that i wasn't always sure whether to open a bug for a new problem as I didn't know at the time that 2.2009.51-1 was the final build | 01:44 |
| timeless_mbp | because it means i can more legally file bugs in bugs.maemo.org | 01:44 |
| andre__ | Milhouse, why did it matter for you if it was final or not? | 01:44 |
| andre__ | a few bugs were reopened that were closed | 01:45 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, please don't worry about such a thing | 01:45 |
| andre__ | but it was also about finding new ones | 01:45 |
| Milhouse | for some reason i thought it might get fixed before the final build was put together - obviously i regret that now | 01:45 |
| Milhouse | just saying it wasn't clear it was the final build, or maybe i missed it :) | 01:45 |
| Milhouse | andre: i'm sure i raised some new ones - just one or two minor ones i may have not opened | 01:46 |
| Milhouse | actually as I have timeless here... it's a browser issue | 01:46 |
| wolf^ | andre__, ok, I hope 7411 is more clear now | 01:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm a zombie | 01:46 |
| Milhouse | when you zoom in on a link to click it, in 42-11 the newly opened page would have the zoom factor reset to normal | 01:46 |
| andre__ | wolf^, thanks | 01:46 |
| andre__ | Milhouse, As this was without NDA, I think only people were chosen that have been around for a loong time. But those people obviously already have a high involvement in maemo and won't suddenly start the device way more to just report bugs all the time, hence the report rate remains as before, but just two weeks earlier | 01:46 |
| Milhouse | in 51-1 the new page is *sometimes* (about 50/50) opened at the massively zoomed-in level. bug? | 01:47 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 01:47 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't sound reasonable | 01:47 |
| timeless_mbp | file it | 01:47 |
| andre__ | another advantage was that a few 3rd party devs found breakage for their apps early and either escalate in bugs.maemo.org, or "fix" their apps (depends on whose fault it is) | 01:47 |
| timeless_mbp | preferably w/ pictures | 01:47 |
| Milhouse | k, will do it tonight | 01:47 |
| Milhouse | sure. | 01:47 |
| andre__ | Yay, closed: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635#c91 | 02:00 |
| povbot | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth | 02:00 |
| Milhouse | bug 8593 | 02:07 |
| Milhouse | bad povbot :) | 02:08 |
| Milhouse | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8593 | 02:08 |
| povbot | Bug 8593: Zoom factor not reset for newly opened pages | 02:08 |
| Milhouse | andre: congrats on closing 1635, must feel good! :) | 02:14 |
| andre__ | oh yeah, it does | 02:15 |
| VDVsx | what's the oldest one ? bug 2 ? | 02:19 |
| Milhouse | oldest open bug seems to be #19, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 | 02:41 |
| povbot | Bug 19: GtkTextView widgets need a border | 02:41 |
| Milhouse | oldest is number 2 | 02:41 |
| jebba | #19 is "Fixed in Diablo." I just closed it | 02:45 |
| Milhouse | :) | 02:48 |
| Milhouse | how about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27 ? | 02:48 |
| povbot | Bug 27: ttf-bitstream-vera font does not include all glyphs | 02:48 |
| Milhouse | fixed too - damn! :) | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | speaking of bugs | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Milhouse: can you open 'Notes'? | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't get a rich editor, tap the title area, options, rich text | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | you should eventually see a toolbar w/ a font drop down on the left | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | please tap that | 02:51 |
| Milhouse | yep, got rich text open | 02:51 |
| Milhouse | yep | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | do you get a scrollbar? | 02:51 |
| Milhouse | horizontal sccrollbar - yes | 02:51 |
| Milhouse | it ewen works | 02:51 |
| Milhouse | i've got a very long font name at the top of the list - MHeiGB18030C-Medium which is too wide for the list | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | bah | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | can you find someone w/ *ZERO* extra fonts and a default theme? | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | get them to get a screen shot | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | and preferably have them file the bug | 02:52 |
| * timeless_mbp is fried | 02:52 | |
| Milhouse | where did that "extra" font come from? I don't recall installing any extra fonts | 02:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sounds like you installed the chinese language thing | 02:52 |
| Milhouse | huh? | 02:52 |
| Milhouse | don't recall installing anything like that... | 02:53 |
| Milhouse | let's see... openssh... a few apps from Ovi (touch stuff and angry birds)... not much else | 02:53 |
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| kimitake | maemo.org shows php warning... | 04:04 |
| andre__ | kimitake, uhm :-( | 04:34 |
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| andre__ | good night... | 04:42 |
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| andre__ | "If you would look in the forums from time to time you may have read one of my threads about my problem." | 14:02 |
| andre__ | tells me somebody with 36 posts in the forum. Oh yeah. :-) | 14:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:04 |
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| andre__ | somebody please kick my brain and tell me where in the UI to get a on-screen virtual keyboard with "numbers only" input method set | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum | 15:32 |
| andre__ | I know that I've seen it | 15:33 |
| andre__ | I wonder where | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, me too. | 15:33 |
| andre__ | (yes, internal debates with developers stating "not possible") | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | That such a thing doesn't exist? | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ping #maemo | 15:34 |
| andre__ | well. some developers...... ah well. we all know. | 15:34 |
| * andre__ checks the PIN code dialog | 15:35 | |
| andre__ | *meep* wrong | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe one of the numerals-only fields in settings? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | IP address? Port number? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | something along those lines? | 15:35 |
| andre__ | nope, as that's the bug we have here :) | 15:35 |
| * andre__ tries port settings in modest | 15:36 | |
| andre__ | Bingo :-D | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't envy your job. :P | 15:37 |
| andre__ | basically it's kicking some asses and getting attacked for it. I like tension ;-) | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "I'm the Bugmaster" <front> | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | "rawr!" <back> | 15:44 |
| andre__ | yes, you found good words to describe it ;-) | 15:45 |
| andre__ | garr, waiting for the guy to finish repairing the heating here so I can finally get some dinner. | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | t-shirt | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad it's far too expensive to justify just one for you. :P | 15:46 |
| andre__ | hehe | 15:46 |
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| andre__ | Yay. Kudos to people writing me "Sorry for being rude". Don't have that too often :) | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:11 |
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| andre__ | ciao... | 19:17 |
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