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andre__ | yay, bug day tomorrow. see you around, I'm off :) | 00:34 |
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therock | i almost forgot the bug day :D | 18:06 |
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evo | hello! the Bugday idea is really cool, in this way I can bother maemo developers live and not with bugs mails only :P | 19:29 |
lma | Hi all! | 19:29 |
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jukey | hi :) | 19:32 |
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jebba | heya | 19:37 |
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jebba | 5 minutes! (unless my time is wrong hehe9 | 19:56 |
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andre__ | hehe | 20:00 |
evo | so, who wants to be the first one to fix the bugs I filed? :P | 20:01 |
andre__ | sorry, but this is not about *fixing* bugs :) | 20:02 |
andre__ | and I need 5 more minutes | 20:02 |
* andre__ is late | 20:03 | |
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range | You have 8 hours :) | 20:03 |
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andre__ | I know :-P | 20:03 |
lma | I'll take 5' too then (enjoying the chocolate, thanks!) | 20:04 |
evo | andre__: I was kidding, don't worry | 20:04 |
andre__ | lma, hah, you're welcome :) | 20:05 |
andre__ | evo, heh ,okay | 20:05 |
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andre__ | yay. so I think I'm more or less ready. | 20:19 |
andre__ | welcome everybody :) | 20:19 |
andre__ | Basically a Bugday is for hanging around, discussing bugs together where we are not sure what to do, cleaning up a bit (for example taking a look at open reports that have a Version field set to lower than 5 [which means Chinook/Diablo] and updating those; or taking a look at bugs with moreinfo keyword), and introducing new people to triaging a bit by giving them a hand for the first steps. | 20:20 |
andre__ | So... there's no program or something :) If anybody has questions, just ask (and be patient, because it's IRC) | 20:21 |
lma | Tangentially on-topic: resolution MOVED seems to be off limits to me, is that normal? | 20:22 |
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Jaffa | Ev'ning | 20:31 |
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RevdKathy | hello? echo... echo... echo | 20:50 |
range | Sounds hollow. | 20:50 |
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lma | Yup, deleting/re-creating the birthdays smart calendar results in dupes. Is that enough to confirm the bug? | 20:56 |
andre__ | definitely :) | 20:56 |
Silvernight84 | yes | 20:56 |
lma | I don't have Hermes or any facebook etc accounts to test the original case | 20:56 |
Silvernight84 | that's the problem! | 20:56 |
Silvernight84 | i have hermes | 20:56 |
Silvernight84 | i updated my contacts with hermes | 20:56 |
Silvernight84 | and they were automatically added to calendar | 20:56 |
Silvernight84 | but if you try to delete the birthday from contact, the calendar event remains | 20:56 |
Silvernight84 | and you can't delete it | 20:56 |
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Silvernight84 | then i tried to remove the birthdays, and when i readded then: duplicates. | 20:56 |
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lma | and after another delete/create I now have three... | 20:57 |
Silvernight84 | i know | 20:59 |
Silvernight84 | i have four... | 20:59 |
Silvernight84 | :-( | 20:59 |
Silvernight84 | very painful | 20:59 |
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RevdKathy | So now you will have to buy everyone 4 presents! It just became very expensive indeed | 21:00 |
Silvernight84 | hahaha lol | 21:00 |
Silvernight84 | that's why it's painful | 21:00 |
qwerty12_N900 | *mutters* 99p stores | 21:01 |
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jukey_ | uh... choppy seas today | 21:18 |
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lma | Anyway, I think this one should be pushed internally at this stage. | 21:23 |
jeremiah | lma: Woot | 21:23 |
jebba | why push them internally? Hmm. "The community no longer needs to track this bug..." | 21:23 |
jebba | or perhaps you mean something else by that. (sry if so) | 21:23 |
lma | For better or worse that's how (most of) Nokia likes things | 21:24 |
jukey_ | maybe here somebody has an idea: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6947 | 21:24 |
povbot` | Bug 6947: Error: ssl_error_bad_mac_read one some https-websites (e.g. https://bugs.maemo.org) | 21:24 |
jukey_ | i can't use bugs.maemo.org on the n900 atm :-/ | 21:24 |
jukey_ | and many other sites | 21:24 |
lma | off the top of my head: is your clock set correctly? | 21:24 |
jukey_ | my clock? yes :) | 21:25 |
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archebyte | hello BugSquad! | 21:26 |
andre__ | heja | 21:26 |
jukey_ | hi archebyte | 21:26 |
archebyte | first time here. | 21:26 |
jeremiah | Umm, pork? | 21:27 |
lma | It most likely is related to the restore somehow... Do you still have the two VeriSign Class 3 certificates in Settings -> Certificate manager? | 21:28 |
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jukey_ | yes there are 2 class 3 certs | 21:30 |
jukey_ | one has 4eb6 d578... as fingerprint and one has 132d 0d45.... | 21:32 |
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jukey_ | however it's very annoying | 21:34 |
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jebba | ok now | 21:47 |
lma | jukey: of course it's always possible that someone is playing a mitm attack on you, have you tried from a different network? | 21:47 |
jebba | the one i see has a fingerpring of 6CDF C332 ... etc (as viewing the certificate in n900) | 21:47 |
jebba | valid until 16 July 2010 | 21:48 |
lma | and another silly question: are you using a proxy? | 21:50 |
jukey_ | no | 21:51 |
jukey_ | and I can go to the pages using fanneec | 21:51 |
jukey_ | but i get the error with microb | 21:51 |
lma | so probably not an attack then :-) | 21:51 |
jukey_ | fennec i mean :) | 21:52 |
jukey_ | yes | 21:52 |
lma | must be something in either the microb config or the certificate store then | 21:54 |
archebyte | fennec rebooted my N900 last night.. :) | 21:54 |
jukey_ | :) yepp fennec very slow and hungry for memory and cpu | 21:55 |
jukey_ | lma: i'll do a reflash and than hopefully this issue is gone | 21:56 |
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netvandal | hi all | 21:56 |
jukey_ | hi netvandal | 21:56 |
archebyte | hey netvandal | 21:56 |
netvandal | ddos on freenode don't help tday.... | 21:57 |
netvandal | hi jukey_, hi archebyte | 21:57 |
lma | that should cure it, but we'll never find out what the problem was. Try moving /home/user/.mozilla and /home/user/.maemosec* somewhere else and rebooting first | 21:57 |
jukey_ | too late... :-/ | 21:59 |
jukey_ | but I already have the backup and can restore my settings again | 21:59 |
jukey_ | ha! a hint... | 22:02 |
jukey_ | there is a version conflict if i try to restore my bookmarks | 22:02 |
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jukey_ | hm tht seems to be not the reason | 22:04 |
archebyte | bye all. | 22:05 |
lma | ah, of course a *very* silly question is: was the backup made on the same OS version? | 22:05 |
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jukey_ | lma: yes both devices had 1.2009.42-11 | 22:06 |
therock | hey so the bug night has begun? | 22:07 |
andre__ | yesh :) | 22:08 |
therock | cool :D | 22:09 |
therock | just got back from the gym so ready now :D | 22:09 |
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therock | so any topics so far? | 22:09 |
andre__ | there's no program or something :) If anybody has questions, just ask (and be patient, because it's IRC) | 22:09 |
therock | hehe | 22:09 |
therock | okay well i have a couple | 22:09 |
andre__ | ah, cool | 22:09 |
therock | iptables.... when ? :D | 22:09 |
therock | because a mobile computer without a firewall heh | 22:10 |
andre__ | therock, this is about maintaining bugs, not about fixing them :) | 22:10 |
andre__ | actually i have not really a clue about nokia's plans | 22:10 |
therock | oh heh | 22:10 |
therock | but ehm maintaining bugs.... that not normally a good thing :D | 22:11 |
therock | what do you mean by that? heh | 22:11 |
lma | andre__: I'm not sure about bug 6646, since this is essentially a regression from previous versions. Did the WONTFIX come from inside? | 22:11 |
jukey_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6947 is now a "worksforme" :) but I'll try to reproduce it an other day | 22:11 |
povbot` | Bug 6947: Error: ssl_error_bad_mac_read one some https-websites (e.g. https://bugs.maemo.org) | 22:11 |
jukey_ | cool bot :) | 22:11 |
jebba | therock: it's offtopic but.... even building iptables/NAT modules for 2.6.28-omap1 kernel won't work, you need to build a new kernel if you want NAT. More info here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/ | 22:11 |
therock | okay checking it out now | 22:12 |
andre__ | lma, damn, I should become better in documenting the exact reasons :-/ | 22:12 |
andre__ | lma, please reopen it and let me find out | 22:12 |
lma | we should teach the bot about 'bug \d+' someday | 22:12 |
andre__ | eh? | 22:13 |
lma | It can understand https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6646 but not bug 6646 :-) | 22:14 |
povbot` | Bug 6646: Show Status for Physical Keyboard | 22:14 |
therock | andre__: now you made me curius :D | 22:15 |
therock | why is it not posseble to get netfilter/iptables to the kernel | 22:15 |
therock | what needs to be inside the kernel since you have to recompile it | 22:15 |
andre__ | therock: well - there's bugs. and there's developers. and in between, the bugsquad tries to make bug reports "good enough" that developers have enough info to take a look at them. that's what I call "maintaining bugs" :) | 22:16 |
andre__ | also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad | 22:16 |
therock | ahhhh | 22:16 |
therock | gotcha so we are like some kind of secretaries :P | 22:16 |
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jebba | gah. Why does bugzilla do midair collisions? Can't it just append my comment after the previous submission? It's not like you can't comment on talk.m.o if someone comments on a thread at the same time... | 22:19 |
andre__ | jebba, because it's a bit more complicated :-P | 22:19 |
jebba | andre__: perhaps Bugsquad URL in /topic | 22:19 |
jukey_ | jebba: somtimes also other fields chaNGE | 22:19 |
andre__ | jebba, well, if somebody closes a bug inbetween, it might change the situation and your comment is needless | 22:19 |
*** andre__ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo-bugs, the home of the Bugsquad who maintains bugs.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-bugs-irclog/ | maemo.org Bugday: Dec 15th, 18:00-03:00 UTC -> http://tinyurl.com/yl53f2j" | 22:20 | |
andre__ | like that? | 22:20 |
andre__ | jebba, everybody can change the topic :-P | 22:20 |
lma | Pet peeve: moving a bug from to a different product that has a component with the same name (usually "General") | 22:20 |
andre__ | lma: it sucks and is one step more, I know. Bugzilla 3.4 will fix it | 22:20 |
* andre__ swears :-D | 22:20 | |
lma | Any ETA for that? | 22:21 |
jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad /me was thinkin | 22:22 |
jebba | anythoo | 22:22 |
andre__ | lma: before end of february definitely | 22:22 |
lma | Cool :-) | 22:22 |
andre__ | lma: actually also depends on how many hours I can get for Karsten from Nokia for January :-/ | 22:23 |
therock | hey jebba sorry to bother with this question again but it really bugs me you said nat was not posseble without recompile | 22:24 |
therock | but what i really want is input output iptables thats it :P | 22:24 |
jebba | therock: perhaps we talk about that in #maemo | 22:25 |
therock | sure man if you are in there heh | 22:25 |
jebba | si | 22:25 |
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jukey_ | andre__: yepp grabbing the browser log was not possible as described :D | 22:34 |
andre__ | yeah :-/ | 22:34 |
andre__ | or maybe adding TODOs as a first step | 22:34 |
andre__ | would be welcome | 22:34 |
andre__ | in general, to everybody using http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers :) | 22:34 |
jukey_ | some answers are also in your greasemonky script | 22:35 |
lma | I think the modest logging instructions are out of date as well | 22:36 |
jukey_ | An other point it is to connect the extras-testing test process and bugzilla... are there any plans? | 22:40 |
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timsamoff | Hey everyone. | 22:43 |
KAHA | hi | 22:43 |
felixrohrbach | hey | 22:43 |
andre__ | heja | 22:44 |
lma | Hi! | 22:44 |
timsamoff | Looks like things are hoppin'. ;) | 22:44 |
andre__ | heh | 22:44 |
andre__ | hmm, so is DUN in Fremantle's Bluetooth supported? | 22:45 |
* andre__ wonders if "Bluetooth and car sets (only in Fremantle)" stock answer also makes sense for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6734 | 22:45 | |
povbot | Bug 6734: problem pairing with bluetooth headsets | 22:45 |
timsamoff | There's an app in Extras that supposedly enables BT DUN. Haven't tried it yet. | 22:46 |
lma | DUN client or server? | 22:46 |
andre__ | client | 22:47 |
jukey_ | hi tim :) | 22:47 |
andre__ | I know that server is not | 22:47 |
timsamoff | Hi, Uwe! | 22:47 |
lma | officially neither is supported | 22:48 |
andre__ | heh. okay... | 22:48 |
andre__ | hmm, I think I found an internal ticket about that report now anyway | 22:48 |
timsamoff | The app says that the "service" is provided by Maemo and that the app only anables it. | 22:49 |
timsamoff | *enables | 22:49 |
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lma | Is that bluetooth-dun? | 22:51 |
timsamoff | Yes. | 22:52 |
lma | That looks like just an event.d script that does what's described in http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#DUN_server plus setup the right SDP records so the other end knows DUN is supported | 22:54 |
lma | It should work in theory | 22:54 |
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KAHA | Ftpclient upload is that supported on n900 ? | 22:58 |
andre__ | darn, mid-air collisions with lma on bug 6811 :-P | 22:58 |
lma | Now you tell me :-( | 22:59 |
lma | Hm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 (such a waste of a nice round number) INVALID, WORKSFORME or DUPLICATE? | 23:01 |
povbot | Bug 7000: rootfs free space is very low! | 23:01 |
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timsamoff | Running into that ^ today. | 23:01 |
andre__ | gnarf | 23:02 |
andre__ | that's a dup | 23:03 |
andre__ | of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 | 23:03 |
povbot | Bug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space | 23:03 |
andre__ | or a complaint about Nokia's architecture decisions and hence out of scope | 23:03 |
andre__ | I'd say dup | 23:03 |
jeremiah | Working on 6866 | 23:04 |
lma | There's also the element of the reporter installing lots of stuff with apt-get which is not officially sanctioned and will eat more disk space (/var/apt/cache, h-a-m cleans up after itself) | 23:04 |
timsamoff | Hi, jeremiah. ;) | 23:04 |
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Anidel | hi | 23:05 |
jeremiah | timsamoff: Hello! | 23:05 |
lma | But let's say dup, easier on all concerned. | 23:05 |
jeremiah | How goes it? :) | 23:05 |
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timsamoff | jeremiah: Always a ball. :p | 23:05 |
jeremiah | heh | 23:05 |
Late666 | Yo | 23:05 |
jeremiah | Especially on bug days | 23:05 |
jeremiah | They are fun fun fun! | 23:05 |
andre__ | hehe | 23:05 |
andre__ | how weird. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 - never seen that myself, but I'm running an internal newer version :-/ | 23:06 |
povbot | Bug 6970: Alarms list is unsorted | 23:06 |
jeremiah | Bug triage and squashing is hard. | 23:06 |
* andre__ trying to find an internal ticket | 23:06 | |
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timsamoff | OT (sort of)... Some Bugzilla DB issues are occurring: http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan | 23:07 |
jukey_ | hi aniello :) | 23:08 |
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timsamoff | Re: Bug 6970 - My alarms list is sorted fine. | 23:08 |
andre__ | yeah. same here :-/ | 23:08 |
andre__ | well, activated alarms are on top of non-active ones | 23:08 |
Anidel | hi jukey | 23:09 |
Anidel | trying to get the next t-shirt?:) | 23:09 |
lma | That one's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5700 | 23:09 |
povbot | Bug 5700: BugzillaReports fail to connect to database | 23:09 |
jukey_ | povbot: you should make a bug report for this :) | 23:10 |
povbot | jukey_: Error: "you" is not a valid command. | 23:10 |
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timsamoff | (Btw, the next t-shirt should be: Planned For Harmattan) :p | 23:10 |
jukey_ | Anidel: yeah | 23:10 |
Anidel | tim ahah | 23:11 |
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Anidel | or Brainstormed for Harmattan | 23:11 |
timsamoff | Anidel: Hehe. :D | 23:11 |
Anidel | :D | 23:11 |
lma | It should be "My bug was Fixed in Harmattan and all I got was this bloody t-shirt" (bonus points for real blood on it) | 23:11 |
timsamoff | Blood is a major enhancement... Sent to Brainstorm. | 23:12 |
lma | BTW, what's up with MOVED? Is it normal that I don't have access to it in either direction? | 23:12 |
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alexatkin | Anything happening/happened in here? | 23:14 |
andre__ | alexatkin, yes, we're alive. | 23:14 |
andre__ | lma, Actually I am a bit afraid that Nokia will repeat the Diablo mistake for Fremantle, like "push a few updates, do nothing for 9 months, and then publish Harmattan", as I wrote in my blog. I *hope* they have learned a bit... :-/ | 23:14 |
andre__ | lma: let me fix that :) | 23:15 |
lma | I think we're ALL afraid of that | 23:15 |
alexatkin | I could probably live with that, if they fixed all the major bugs in that time. | 23:15 |
zenlinuxPDX | I have an N800 which is running OS2008 v5.2008.43-7. Is that the most recent release I should be running? | 23:15 |
andre__ | alexatkin, unlikely, as "major" is highly subjective :-/ | 23:16 |
andre__ | zenlinuxPDX, yes | 23:16 |
zenlinuxPDX | andre__, great, thanks | 23:16 |
alexatkin | I am afraid they will release Maemo 6 and they will have changed the things I like about 5. | 23:16 |
lma | Some say this has already happened :-( | 23:16 |
alexatkin | I dont think virtual desktops are good, capacitive screens or lack of a keyboard. | 23:17 |
andre__ | lma: done. notice the "move to brainstorm" button that will *immediately* move. any former changes by you before clicking it will get lost. (yes, it's a hack, and 3.4 will make that better) | 23:18 |
lma | Thanks! | 23:18 |
andre__ | virtual desktops are awesome. at least on my laptop here i could not survive without :) | 23:18 |
andre__ | anybody else who wants to be able to move to brainstorm? :) | 23:18 |
alexatkin | Yes but if Nokia think making the desktop fully pannable will fix the portrait/landscape problem they are mental. | 23:18 |
lma | gotta go for a bit | 23:18 |
alexatkin | fact is you will end up with a desktop that works better one way or the other | 23:19 |
alexatkin | I'm perfectly happy with how the N900 handles virtual desktops, but adding up/down scrolling too would be insanely confusing. | 23:20 |
andre__ | So, I should add a sentence to my "Fixed internally" stock answer that answers "if there’s a way to get non public firmware updates". | 23:20 |
andre__ | Hmm. Hmm, hmm. | 23:20 |
andre__ | I think people can get internal updates through forum nokia or something, but I'm not sure if that's true | 23:20 |
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timsamoff | Any word from Nokia about releasing incremental updates of specific apps rather than large bulk firmware updates? | 23:22 |
timsamoff | (Oh, what's that bug number...?) | 23:23 |
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andre__ | timsamoff, private email this time. but happened too often. the answer is in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5709 | 23:23 |
povbot | Bug 5709: N900 firmware out of date | 23:23 |
andre__ | timsamoff, incremental updates: unfortunately no news. | 23:23 |
timsamoff | Ok. Hmmm... We should really push that one. | 23:24 |
andre__ | and as I still see terms like "PR1.1" and "PR1.2" I don't see changes. which sucks | 23:24 |
andre__ | yeah. it would make life SO MUCH EASIER if other people could also test newer versions, at their own risk. | 23:24 |
andre__ | those who like it should be able to do it. | 23:24 |
andre__ | see http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/ | 23:24 |
timsamoff | Right. | 23:24 |
andre__ | because the more time passes after a public release, the more public reports are "internally fixed already" and I waste time importing ancient stuff | 23:25 |
andre__ | and that sucks | 23:25 |
andre__ | and I already am a few days behind with triaging :-( | 23:25 |
timsamoff | Exactly. | 23:25 |
* timsamoff gotta go... My son wants to "watch a movie on the computer." I may be back a little later. (He's grumpy after naps and I don't want to provoke him!) :p | 23:25 | |
jeremiah | heh | 23:26 |
timsamoff | Maybe I'll come back on my N900. | 23:26 |
timsamoff | Bye for now. | 23:26 |
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jeremiah | ciao | 23:26 |
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andre__ | so, addition to my "Fixed internally" comments is now: | 23:27 |
andre__ | To cover popular followup questions: | 23:27 |
andre__ | * Nokia does not announce release dates of public updates in advance. | 23:27 |
andre__ | * There is currently no access to these internal, non-public firmware versions. A Brainstorm proposal exists at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/ | 23:27 |
andre__ | I hope that works... | 23:27 |
jukey_ | sounds good | 23:28 |
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andre__ | I hope that people in Nokia will understand that they waste a HUGE number of testers that would even work for free for them :-P | 23:28 |
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timsamoff | Hey, I'm back! ;) | 23:31 |
timsamoff | XChat crashes everytime I try to increase the font size, though! | 23:31 |
andre__ | XChat crashes when changing anything :-P | 23:32 |
andre__ | let me try to write in larger fonts for you :-P | 23:32 |
timsamoff | Ha ha. | 23:32 |
fnordianslip | timsamoff: change it in the conf file | 23:34 |
timsamoff | fnordianslip: Ah, ok! Thanks! :D | 23:36 |
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* andre__ switches his N900 from French to German | 23:38 | |
alexatkinuk | dunno what caused it but google on my N900 turned to German last night for no apparent reason, still English on my PCs so very odd. | 23:39 |
alexatkinuk | I think I was on 3G at the time so perhaps a bug in the O2 network? | 23:41 |
timsamoff | alexatkinuk: I believe you, but that seems impossible! | 23:41 |
andre__ | anybody speaking Spanish here who can confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6982 ? | 23:43 |
andre__ | my spanish is... rusty, and my argentinian flatmate not around :-P | 23:43 |
povbot | Bug 6982: Spanish: "Tipo de fuente cambiado" when switching input languages | 23:43 |
rlinfati | andre__, checking bug 6982..... | 23:48 |
alexatkinuk | @timsamoff I believe Google just checks your IP to see where you are. So if O2 is routing oddly it could think you are in the wrong country. | 23:48 |
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timsamoff | Possibly. | 23:49 |
alexatkinuk | hang on, switching to n900 | 23:50 |
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alexatkinuk | (no idea how that works) | 23:50 |
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timsamoff | bye! | 23:52 |
rlinfati | andre__, repro bug 6982.... now testing wiith es_MX ( LatinAmerican Spanish ) | 23:52 |
jukey_ | cu next time here in the bug hall :) | 23:53 |
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rlinfati | andre__, with es_MX work fine.... ( Idioma de Entrada Cambiado ) | 23:55 |
andre__ | rlinfati, uh, interesting. can you add that to the report, plus the software version you use? thanks! | 23:57 |
rlinfati | ok.. doing... | 23:57 |
timsamoff | So, andre__, I have a beer, but it's on my own dime. Shouldn't it have been provided? | 23:57 |
timsamoff | :p | 23:58 |
netvandal | hi all, some free time now... what you are testing? if you are testing? :) | 23:58 |
andre__ | timsamoff, yeah, next time I'll be more organized, and also choose a day without netsplits :) | 23:58 |
andre__ | netvandal, basically taking a look at bugs at https://bugs.maemo.org/ . no direct "program" or something :) | 23:58 |
andre__ | there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Potential_Tasks though | 23:58 |
andre__ | oops. http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Tasks is the correct URL | 23:59 |
andre__ | netvandal, so, if you want to triage a bit, you're welcome (and ask any questions here) :) | 23:59 |
netvandal | andre__, i go to read that | 23:59 |
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