| Malinux | teleshoes: I know. maybe another half could be an attachable keybord | 00:00 |
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| teleshoes | more than maybe, it certainly can | 00:00 |
| teleshoes | i2c with dedicated int | 00:00 |
| teleshoes | the only question is whether jolla will make an official one, or we'll have to make due with whatever enthusiasts make | 00:00 |
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| teleshoes | im pretty sure there is absolutely nothing about it that is worse than n9 | 00:01 |
| teleshoes | except its hideous | 00:02 |
| teleshoes | forgot that | 00:02 |
| teleshoes | its hideous | 00:02 |
| teleshoes | i think everyone but me likes the design | 00:02 |
| teleshoes | i see it and think: 1) andes candies! 2) oh god thats a phone? | 00:02 |
| Custodian | i dont like transparent fuzzy background | 00:02 |
| teleshoes | transparent....fuzzy... | 00:02 |
| teleshoes | oh yea! | 00:04 |
| Custodian | here it looks okay: https://sailfishos.org/images/Device_icon.png and here it does not: http://goo.gl/tXZHSQ | 00:05 |
| teleshoes | i just remembered the Bad THing About Jolla | 00:05 |
| Custodian | it looks like i'm blinded and cannot read anything | 00:05 |
| teleshoes | ah, yea, that it bad | 00:05 |
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| teleshoes | but i mean, thats obviously just aesthetics. im sure it will be extremely configurable | 00:05 |
| teleshoes | preferably with a style sheet like n9 | 00:05 |
| Custodian | ;) | 00:06 |
| teleshoes | anyway, the Bad Thing is no oled | 00:06 |
| teleshoes | and thus no LPS | 00:06 |
| teleshoes | which is easily my favorite n9 feature | 00:06 |
| teleshoes | hah, i want a 16x2 character LCD on the front of my phone | 00:07 |
| teleshoes | wouldnt that be awesome | 00:07 |
| teleshoes | use essentially no power | 00:07 |
| Aard | teleshoes: would back work as well? :p | 00:07 |
| Custodian | i guess sailfish will be ported to n9 as pr1.4 :-D | 00:07 |
| teleshoes | aard, what? | 00:07 |
| Aard | teleshoes: the lcd on the back of the phone. would work on TOH via i2c ;) | 00:08 |
| teleshoes | oh snap | 00:08 |
| teleshoes | thats brilliant man | 00:10 |
| Eztran | Besides a keyboard, you've just basically described the first OH I'd really want. | 00:11 |
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| Eztran | Custodian: just had exactly the same problem with Warehouse that Malinux did up a bit. May have missed the end of the conversation though due to disconnect. Any ideas? | 00:21 |
| Malinux | Eztran: Custodian helped me on a pm | 00:21 |
| Custodian | do you have "installation from uncertified sources" enabled? | 00:21 |
| Eztran | Yep, Warehouse also worked until latest update. | 00:22 |
| Custodian | you should not install as root. apt-get remove warehouse, and install downloaded deb. | 00:22 |
| Eztran | Ah, phone did the update itself. OK, thanks. | 00:22 |
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| teleshoes | man this sucks | 00:29 |
| teleshoes | now i want a TOH that wont exist | 00:29 |
| teleshoes | combination kb/lcd | 00:29 |
| Aard | teleshoes: don't underestimate the chinese :p | 00:29 |
| teleshoes | heh | 00:30 |
| teleshoes | i was looking forward to this project tho | 00:30 |
| teleshoes | i was all like | 00:30 |
| teleshoes | im going to get an arduino | 00:30 |
| teleshoes | design an i2c gpo circuit thingie | 00:30 |
| teleshoes | 3dprint a case | 00:31 |
| teleshoes | and blammo | 00:31 |
| teleshoes | and then i remembered my TOH will be a keyboard, obviously, forever | 00:31 |
| Eztran | That does kinda ruin the fun a bit. | 00:32 |
| teleshoes | yea, i just realized that i dont get to have a TOH | 00:33 |
| teleshoes | and neither does anybody else who thinks that mobile computers are better than smart phones | 00:33 |
| Eztran | The Jolla device looks designed to be a smartphone to me, really. But then, so was the N9, and that didn't work out too badly. (also, this is probably the wrong channel for this, but it's silent anyway) | 00:35 |
| teleshoes | mm, i personally pollute the crap out of this channel all the time | 00:35 |
| teleshoes | n9 is a shitty mobile computer | 00:36 |
| teleshoes | hwkb and removable storage are absolutely essential | 00:36 |
| teleshoes | my n9 flash gets so much wear everytime i reflash and recopy my 46GB music library | 00:37 |
| Eztran | Yeah... hadn't thought about the second too much, but it's a fair point. With all the formatting, backup-ing, copying, etc., they get... | 00:37 |
| teleshoes | im sure mine wont last more than a coupla years | 00:38 |
| Eztran | Guessing you're going for a 64GB card in the Jolla then, with that collection ;) | 00:38 |
| teleshoes | i have a few already | 00:39 |
| teleshoes | in my n900 | 00:39 |
| teleshoes | in my raspi | 00:39 |
| teleshoes | and in my other raspi | 00:40 |
| Eztran | Huh, they've got pretty cheap now, apparently. Even decent ones. | 00:40 |
| teleshoes | mm | 00:41 |
| teleshoes | my first cost $150 | 00:41 |
| Eztran | Ouch. | 00:41 |
| teleshoes | this was way back when | 00:42 |
| teleshoes | it was for my n900; my music lib had just outgrown it and i was panicking | 00:42 |
| teleshoes | i waited 4 months after the release and could wait no longer | 00:42 |
| Eztran | You could always not copy your whole collection onto the device? | 00:43 |
| teleshoes | hah i already dont | 00:43 |
| teleshoes | this is just the essential core | 00:43 |
| teleshoes | wolke:~/Desktop/Music$ du -hs . | 00:43 |
| teleshoes | 260G. | 00:43 |
| Eztran | Oh, you've got one of 'those' collections. Also, 46GB is essential!? | 00:43 |
| teleshoes | its the top 25% of my music library | 00:44 |
| Eztran | I can only guess you listen to music a fair bit. | 00:44 |
| teleshoes | more or less all the time | 00:44 |
| teleshoes | but thats not it, really | 00:44 |
| Eztran | Ah. Would help to have some variety, then. What format's it in? | 00:45 |
| teleshoes | its more that my favorite song is a quantum superposition of my entire library | 00:45 |
| teleshoes | most of it is flac | 00:45 |
| teleshoes | but on the phone, gets converted to quality=6 oggs | 00:45 |
| teleshoes | vorbis i mean | 00:45 |
| teleshoes | about 15% is mp3 | 00:46 |
| Eztran | Heh, right. And FLAC would explain some of that monstrous size at least. Little bit overkill for mobile though, sure. | 00:46 |
| teleshoes | nono | 00:46 |
| teleshoes | i dont put FLACs on my phone | 00:46 |
| teleshoes | i convert them to ogg vorbis first | 00:46 |
| Eztran | Ah. I don't really like converting for stuff, but I can understand why with that massive pile of tunes. | 00:47 |
| teleshoes | well, i do it incrementally and in the background on my laptop | 00:47 |
| teleshoes | when i add an album or whatever, the music player thingie i wrote converts it to ogg in a mirrored directory structure | 00:48 |
| Eztran | Sure. To which you can say it's a good thing you have a decent phone, you can transfer stuff in far more useful ways than mass storage or whatever-the-manufacturer-wrote. | 00:48 |
| teleshoes | mm | 00:48 |
| teleshoes | rsync | 00:48 |
| teleshoes | over wifi | 00:48 |
| teleshoes | at night | 00:48 |
| teleshoes | every night | 00:48 |
| Eztran | Nice. | 00:48 |
| teleshoes | with flacs converted to oggs, my library is 148GB | 00:49 |
| teleshoes | instead of 260GB | 00:49 |
| teleshoes | so i guess 48GB is the essential 1/3 of my library, not 1/4 | 00:50 |
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| Eztran | Well, that's a bit more managable. You can see from the size it's still fairly high quality. | 00:50 |
| teleshoes | i personally cant hear the difference between FLAC and ogg quality=6 | 00:50 |
| teleshoes | quality=5 i totally can, but only with expensive headphones | 00:50 |
| Eztran | Well, there's kinda a cutoff where all of a sudden, ugh compression, I find. | 00:51 |
| Eztran | And badly compressed mp3 is one of those things you can't unhear. | 00:52 |
| teleshoes | 128kbps is tolerable in a noisy environment | 00:53 |
| teleshoes | my friend listens to 96kbps music in his car, and my eye twitches the whole time | 00:54 |
| teleshoes | mp3, i mean | 00:54 |
| Eztran | yeah, anything less is painful. Don't know how people even listen to 64kbps Internet radio stations. | 00:54 |
| teleshoes | vorbis is definitely higher quality even at low bitrates | 00:54 |
| teleshoes | 96kbps ogg vorbis is more like 128kbps mp3 | 00:55 |
| Eztran | I'm not sure if it's just 'cause I hate how mp3s compress, but yeah, noticed the same. | 00:55 |
| teleshoes | for myself, ive done some blind tests | 00:55 |
| teleshoes | generates a bunch of oggs and mp3s, with hidden filenames, from a source and arranged in order of quality | 00:57 |
| Eztran | About as scientific as you could want, I guess. Is that how you found the above? | 00:57 |
| teleshoes | yea | 00:57 |
| teleshoes | i ranked 96kbps-ogg above 128kbps-mp3 | 00:59 |
| teleshoes | so did my audiophile friend | 00:59 |
| Eztran | Assuming decent hardware, that's pretty definitive, then. | 00:59 |
| teleshoes | incase headphones | 01:00 |
| teleshoes | not the best in the world | 01:00 |
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| teleshoes | but they were definitely decent | 01:02 |
| teleshoes | i should re-do the test with v-modas | 01:03 |
| teleshoes | also not the best in the world, but definitely sufficient | 01:03 |
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| teleshoes | i really should have done some controls though, like un-audiophile people, and repeating the tests with the files in the reverse order | 01:04 |
| teleshoes | the order was randomly generated, but still always in the same order | 01:05 |
| teleshoes | er, i mean, it was randomly generated once | 01:05 |
| teleshoes | and then used for everyone | 01:05 |
| Eztran | Yeah, like some audio player shuffles. | 01:05 |
| teleshoes | heh, my audio player does that | 01:06 |
| teleshoes | i like it that way | 01:06 |
| teleshoes | almost calvinist | 01:06 |
| teleshoes | i recently found out that my music player doesnt have hardware mp3 decoding | 01:07 |
| teleshoes | on the n9 | 01:07 |
| Eztran | Really? What player? | 01:08 |
| teleshoes | mine, its a weird eccentric thing called klomp | 01:09 |
| teleshoes | https://github.com/teleshoes/klomp | 01:09 |
| teleshoes | its chief feature is that it works on n900, n9, and desktop linux | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | and that i can do the tagging and metadata processing on the desktop | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | and share it with the phone | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | like itunes does with ipods | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | it also does that flac=>ogg thing i mentioned | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | it currently has a userbase of 3 | 01:11 |
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| teleshoes | afaik | 01:11 |
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| Eztran | Ah, right, so the stuff you were talking about earlier's handled by the player. Pretty cool, then. Suppose the CLI thing can put users off, though :) | 01:11 |
| teleshoes | oh yea, its not for everybody | 01:12 |
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| Malinux | I asked last day about autocomplete in terminal when doing apt-get install and so on | 02:27 |
| Malinux | install n9 tweaks and start it, after bash-completion is available :) | 02:27 |
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| Malinux | Does anyone now of a nordic keyboard spare part for N900 ? | 15:27 |
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