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| HtheB | anyone alive? :) | 12:57 |
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| HtheB | RzR: u there? | 12:57 |
| mschlens_ | No. We all died last night. Sorry. | 12:58 |
| HtheB | RIP | 12:58 |
| HtheB | holocoast? | 12:59 |
| mschlens_ | Thanks. Much appreciated. | 12:59 |
| mschlens_ | Rapture. | 12:59 |
| HtheB | argh | 13:18 |
| HtheB | well... shit happens | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: and then they need a way to recover, and that's where the nasty part starts and a rollback to 1.0 comes in handy | 20:20 |
| thedead1440 | indeed the inability to go back to 1.0 is one of the most nonsensical part of it | 20:24 |
| joecool | is there a particular reason on would want to go back to 1.0? | 20:31 |
| thedead1440 | joecool: the only reason is for people who screw up by flashing to the highest pr legacy or who are stuck on china cmt which makes flashing a pita | 20:33 |
| thedead1440 | also i ask; why should you be restricted to not being able to downgrade? every nokia device except for WP can downgrade iirc so why is the n9 an exception? | 20:33 |
| joecool | thedead1440: unsure, other devices there have been issues with downgrading related to incompatible firmware flashing | 20:34 |
| thedead1440 | joecool: symbian devices could downgrade too so not sure which nokia devices would have that restriction. also the n9 is supposed to be more open than symbian devices so the only fair comparison is to previous maemo devices which had no issues with downgrading | 20:35 |
| deram | was the restriction there on 1.0 or did it come later? | 20:39 |
| joecool | i don't think it's really such a situation of whether it's very open or not to allow downgrade | 20:39 |
| thedead1440 | deram: it was always there | 20:39 |
| joecool | i have another device that does allow downgrade, my SE arc, and if i did it, it would cook the battery fuel gauge and report 1% to the OS | 20:39 |
| thedead1440 | joecool: totally unfair comparison | 20:39 |
| thedead1440 | here we are talking about the stupidity that restricts that even on the same pr version if you have a xxx pr legacy you can only flash to the same or higher pr legacy | 20:40 |
| joecool | thedead1440: is it? I don't know if Nokia flashes phone components with new firmware on newer PR releases | 20:40 |
| joecool | mine shipped with 1.3 and I'm curious to see *why* one would want to downgrade, is aegis still present in 1.0? | 20:40 |
| thedead1440 | joecool: you have pr1.3 | 20:41 |
| thedead1440 | but if you have pr1.3 with Swedish operator variant and wish to downgrade to stock pr1.3 you can't do that | 20:41 |
| thedead1440 | that is indeed lame | 20:41 |
| joecool | i wouldn't call that a downgrade, that's a region change, and indeed it's lame | 20:41 |
| thedead1440 | aegis is present in all pr versions except maybe those for internal use only | 20:42 |
| thedead1440 | joecool: if you got a device shipped from hong kong, it may come with a pr_legacy 009 i.e. Chinese FW and if you wish to flash any other country's or stock fw you need to still flash the cmt of the chinese firmware | 20:42 |
| joecool | mine came from kuwait, i have middle eastern variant | 20:43 |
| thedead1440 | so you can't go back to stock variant now :) | 20:43 |
| joecool | doesn't appear to be customized in any way though, so should I care? | 20:43 |
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| thedead1440 | joecool: no it shouldn't matter for MEA variant | 20:44 |
| HtheB | thedead1440: | 20:45 |
| HtheB | i hate u | 20:45 |
| thedead1440 | but when you flash along with the 1.16GiB rootfs you require a >1.5GB EMMC file too which contains MEA maps. if you flash a stock variant the MEA maps are gone and the emmc is only ~255MB. | 20:45 |
| thedead1440 | HtheB: why? | 20:45 |
| thedead1440 | :p | 20:45 |
| HtheB | cauz real love begins with hate lol | 20:45 |
| HtheB | meh | 20:45 |
| HtheB | sup | 20:45 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 20:45 |
| thedead1440 | nothing much; how about you? | 20:45 |
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| joecool | meh i don't really even use the maps, the drive app is pretty horrible | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | joecool: a region change might be a downgrade | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joecool: while from 1.0 you could UPgrade to whatever you like | 20:59 |
| joecool | i see, so that's the benefit then, downgrade to 1.0 in order to upgrade to any region | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joecool: the major pita in that whole no-downgrade policy is for developers who are supposed to test their sowftware against most recent as well as older OS versions. So as a developer you'd need several devices with the different OS versions on them, to test your sw against | 21:00 |
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| thedead1440 | i would rate the drive app up there with Sygic on Android and Drive on S^3; even WP Drive sucks in comparison | 21:01 |
| joecool | thedead1440: i dunno, i only tried to use it a handful of times and it pretty much instantly infuriated me, attempting to recalculate route in a dumb way, complaining that i have too many filters set when i don't have any set, etc | 21:03 |
| joecool | oh and crashing | 21:03 |
| joecool | DocScrutinizer05: unless nokia botched rolling out updates in other regions, wouldn't the older PR's be useless to support? | 21:03 |
| joecool | (from a developer's standpoint) | 21:04 |
| thedead1440 | ooh; never had those issues personally. I've used it successfully in at least 6 countries and while at times it takes the longer routes (i.e. main roads) it works pretty well | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me, it's a requirement by Nokia afaik | 21:04 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: that requirement has been worked-around by devs on Nokia store by stating that their apps are only compatible for >=pr1.2 or pr1.3 only otherwise nokia store used to fail them | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia themselves commented on it when rolling out PR1.2 (iirc), explicitly mentioning this test problem for devels | 21:05 |
| joecool | thedead1440: maybe i'll try to give it another shot, i'm kind of annoyed with my phone situation at the moment | 21:05 |
| joecool | i rely pretty heavily on SIP calling and my android devices suck at doing it on the cell network, and the N9 sucks at doing it on wifi | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, I simply hate it, since it defeats the whole idea of unbrickable | 21:06 |
| thedead1440 | joecool: you could do with changing your system language, reboot then change back to what it was originally | 21:06 |
| thedead1440 | it should get locks faster | 21:06 |
| thedead1440 | also maybe do a re-install of drive app before doing the change of language | 21:06 |
| joecool | i have no issue with the GPS in the phone | 21:07 |
| thedead1440 | it should just not crash unless rare cases of out-of-memory while installing applications | 21:08 |
| joecool | it doesn't close, map just freezes and it stops routing anywhere | 21:08 |
| thedead1440 | strange; never seen that reported before | 21:09 |
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| HtheB | juiceme: already gone? :) | 22:35 |
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| knobtviker | Who summoned me? | 22:41 |
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| knobtviker | sup? :) | 22:42 |
| HtheB | sup | 22:42 |
| HtheB | nm | 22:42 |
| HtheB | you? | 22:42 |
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| knobtviker | same old same old | 22:42 |
| knobtviker | is it about Vine? | 22:43 |
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