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| arvut | how do you pinch in fennec? normal way doesn't work for me | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ---Quote (Originally by panorton)---Unfortunately I'm back where I started. Phone boots as far as the Nokia logo and starts all over again. What did I do to deserve this phone ---End Quote--- | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL :-x | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what did *I*?? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to deserve a phone that doesn't allow downgrade | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and considers blinking of indicator LED a major security threat that must not be allowed to any app programmer outside Nokia | 17:28 |
| Jonni | heh, he just didnt know what he is doing :) | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but isn't he like Nokia, in that regard? I think Nokia also didn't know what they were doing when locking down HARM to suffocation | 17:34 |
| Jonni | well they wanted to make commercial product which is not hacker friendly :) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but selling this to us as "it's just for your security" is a major offense | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the openmode turned out to be a cheat | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, openmode works, just HARM doesn't work in openmode | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's definitely something Nokia cheated on us | 17:37 |
| Jonni | well harm works in openmode, if you know the tricks. But ofcourse there is inception which opens the phone :) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | harm works in openmode? even maps, navi, a-gps, store, updates...? | 17:38 |
| Jonni | DocScrutinizer05: well In my openmode device all those are working :) | 17:39 |
| Jonni | even device lock :) | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on *your*, I guess | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh yeah, forgot device lock | 17:39 |
| Jonni | I was planning to make ultimate post someday which gives instructions howto make working dev lock in openmode, but I've just been too busy | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if eventually some (ex-)Nokian could finally disclose the R&D-cert and how to flash it | 17:40 |
| Jonni | flashing r&d cert is easy, you can even do it from ssh commandline on the device, the hard part is how to generate the cert | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to *get* it, yeah | 17:41 |
| Jonni | easier is ofcourse just to patch the userspace binary that checks the cert, and make it return 1 instead of 0, and after that harmattan thinks that device has R&D cert and AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN starts to work ;) | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think generating a cert key-pair is rather straight foward. Generating a *matching* R&D cert though, is probably impossible | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah, with inception you probably could actually do this | 17:44 |
| Jonni | yes you can :) | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for flashing, which is under control of friggin NOLO | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, not even R&D cert allows downgrading afaik | 17:45 |
| Jonni | R&D cert allows downgrading just fine | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart Nokkia, for not providing Research&Development certs to certified Researchers and Developers | 17:47 |
| * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Nokkia, for not providing Research&Development certs to certified Researchers and Developers | 17:47 | |
| Jonni | you can actually downgrade back to pr1.0 even without R&D cert, but that exploit has never leaked. | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd dare to claim this inability to downgrade been the final nail to coffin of any commercial app development | 17:49 |
| Jonni | quite usefull if you want to change from 009 variant back to 001 variant :) | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | using flasher-3.5 ? | 17:49 |
| Jonni | flasher 3.12.1' | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or using coldflashing? | 17:50 |
| Jonni | just using normal flashing :) | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, whatever. I didn't touch that crap since almost a year now. and it *has* pr1.0 ;-P | 17:51 |
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| Jonni | heh | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the N950 still is always-on, so I could ssh into it any time I like. The N9 is powered down since ~6 months now | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer focusing on keeping maemo5 alive | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | konttori thought I should get a N950, otherwise I probably never had touched any HARM device | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (iirc the name) | 17:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 now is mildly curious and excited about what that jolla story will turn out to bring us in the end | 17:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it comes with hw kbd and without any friggin aegis stuff, I might actually ignore the damn c-ts and get one | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their first sailfish show-offs running on N950 gave me some hope for proper hw-kbd(-integration) | 18:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, I can confirm the capacitive touchscreen is something you can get used to. | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | if not something I prefer. | 18:40 |
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| chem|st | GeneralAntilles: used to yes, prefer no... scratchresistance is a feature, capacivity is a bug | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it this way: I don't mind which technology it is, as long as it allows me to reach an accuracy of <3mm^2 by using my fingernail, so it's not completely obscured by my fingertip | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | proper "pinpoint" stylus operation is also a must-have, for sketching etc | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | much for the same reasons as mentioned above: accuracy, resolution, non-obscuring | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for *some* usecases there are workarounds, but those fall into pieces rather easily, see highlighting of text in HARM | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which is basically impossible for parts of words | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Another key moment when I realized I never will be able to properly c&p from e.g browser to e.g. xterm, on HARM - dunno if that was the moment that I switched off N9 forever, but it well might be | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not? | 19:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. | 19:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer05: they added that in 1.2 i think | 19:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, wait, xterm | 19:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, i guess it's doing some oddball non-standard copy-paste | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't even know *how* to _physically_ highlight a text of usual PT (~1.5mm high) on a particular character position in the line, with by not really fat fingertip | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gives you little tabs to drag. | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/by/my/ | 19:16 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't even know *how* to _physically_ highlight a text of usual PT (~1.5mm high) on a particular character position in the line, with my not really fat fingertip | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it worked for whole words, one out of 4 or 5 times | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no shift-cursorkey function for highlighting either. So editing texts is a major PITA | 19:17 |
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| thedead1440 | there is shift cursor key function for highlighting | 19:53 |
| thedead1440 | you just need to add arrows to the vkb ;) | 19:53 |
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| thedead1440 | also except for device lock everything else works in openmode | 20:09 |
| thedead1440 | i don't know who told you maps, a-gps, navi etc don't work in openmode | 20:09 |
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| thedead1440 | LED indicator was there for charging only initially. Yes for notifications either you need to be in open mode or use inception but then if you have the whole screen in low power mode that's a much larger notification area than a led which doesn't differentiate between the type of notifications | 20:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | thedead1440: late ping from both of us | 23:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | like it's not chat but post office :) | 23:25 |
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