| loin | Jonni, thank you for that hint, i will probably not chmod -x it but replace the content with exit 1 | 00:00 |
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| loin | or something | 00:00 |
| joecool | loin: oh you mean load time, ok.. UI lags and FC's are a part of android life | 00:00 |
| joecool | that and bad battery life | 00:00 |
| Jonni | loin: chmod a-x will not malf your device, replaceing with exit 1 will screw refhashlist and make your device not to boot up :) | 00:00 |
| joecool | i have not had the N9 go unresponsive yet | 00:01 |
| Jonni | and you can always a+x if you want to use smartsearch later. | 00:01 |
| loin | Jonni, thanks for that, that's one less reflash i'll have to do on my device | 00:01 |
| loin | joecool, maybe your n9 is better than mine :) | 00:02 |
| Jonni | smartsearch is the root of all evil, it indexes everything and makes everythinhg slow, it indexes all your audio, video, pictures, emails, facebooks, sms'es etc. | 00:02 |
| loin | Jonni, but i don't have any filees on the phone | 00:02 |
| loin | so it doesn't really index anything | 00:02 |
| Jonni | basicly it spies everything that you do on the phone and puts it on the database. All the incoming and outcoming calls and messages. | 00:02 |
| joecool | Jonni: where's it located at so i can chmod it? | 00:02 |
| joecool | (android has same issue, called mediascanner or something) | 00:02 |
| Jonni | "chmod a-x /usr/bin/smartsearch" | 00:03 |
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| joecool | thanks | 00:04 |
| loin | Jonni, i added that info to my manifest and it still doesn't run as root | 00:05 |
| Jonni | loin: did you make the deb file with creator or scratchbox? :), by default creator doesnt include aegis manifests in deb file :) | 00:06 |
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| Jonni | yet another nice feature that took me a while to notice | 00:07 |
| loin | qt creator, of course | 00:07 |
| loin | i don't really enjoy scratchbox | 00:07 |
| Jonni | well I bet that aegis file is missing from the deb package and script isnt runned as root | 00:07 |
| loin | i only used scratchbox when compiling my systemui | 00:07 |
| joecool | Jonni: curious, how long can you stretch on the battery? | 00:08 |
| Jonni | loin: you can easily check if root permissions are missing by " tail -20 /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf" | 00:09 |
| Jonni | if it doesnt have request UID::ROOT then your creator didnt create valid deb file | 00:10 |
| Jonni | loin: if I remember right the trick was to remove AutoGenerateAegisFile line from manifest or otherwise creator just didnt do anything. | 00:11 |
| loin | Jonni, nothing on the feelcache | 00:11 |
| loin | thanks Jonni | 00:12 |
| loin | i'll try that | 00:12 |
| loin | saved me a lot of time on debugging :P | 00:12 |
| Jonni | joecool: it depens on usage, if I dont do anything with it and keep it on low powermode, it can last something like 4-5 days, but usually when I actively use it, I keep it on charger every night, and even on working hours on my workdesk. | 00:12 |
| loin | Jonni, joecool http://i.imm.io/14S3M.png | 00:15 |
| Jonni | joecool: and on long travels I have this with me http://www.amazon.co.uk/10000mAh-Multi-voltage-Recorders-Lightning-Sensation/dp/B006WHMKEE/ makes live your easy to have extra 10000mAh, nice bonus for the default 1400mAh phone battery. | 00:15 |
| loin | Jonni, for that small change i needed inception | 00:17 |
| loin | to override systemui | 00:17 |
| Jonni | I find using inception to overrote sustemui a bit bad practice, since it changes the origin of the package. Personally I just override packages with com.nokia.maemo origin, that way you can easily replace systemui back to stock systemui with just apt-get command. (where it would fail if you just incept the package) | 00:19 |
| loin | i never intend to go back to systemui | 00:20 |
| loin | also, removing auto generated aegis worked | 00:20 |
| loin | boy, this qt creator is a pain | 00:20 |
| Jonni | well yes, but if someday there is some system package updated that is depending on some incepted package, end users might be in pain. | 00:21 |
| joecool | Jonni: yeah i got a similar battery unit because my ion only gets ~4 hours of battery life when on cell network with vpn | 00:21 |
| joecool | with the backup i can stretch it through the day, it's just annoying to lug around | 00:21 |
| Jonni | personally I just have added my own pgp keys are com.nokia.maemo trusted keys, and when I sign my debian packages with my pgp key, system thinks that they are coming from com.nokia.maemo origin | 00:22 |
| loin | Jonni, any tutorial on your method of overriding systemui? | 00:22 |
| Jonni | so I can just add my own repo to sources.list and just apt-get my overriding systemui :) | 00:23 |
| loin | Jonni, sounds like a nice plan | 00:23 |
| loin | Jonni, but i used whatever method i found at the time | 00:24 |
| loin | i don't like having inception | 00:24 |
| Jonni | well yes, most people are just using inception because they dont want to learn how aegis really works. | 00:24 |
| loin | Jonni, is it documented anywhere? | 00:25 |
| Jonni | loin: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security.html | 00:25 |
| Jonni | yes its documented | 00:25 |
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| loin | Jonni, did you write any tutorials on that replacing system ui without inception thing? | 00:27 |
| joecool | hm so it seems like for openvpn i'd need openmode kernel? | 00:27 |
| Jonni | joecool: openvpn works without openmode kernel. | 00:27 |
| Jonni | joecool: I have openvpn running on stock kernel, but yes I used opensh to get all the required credentials to run it | 00:28 |
| Jonni | loin: sorry, not that many tutorials around, most of that info is just in my head :) | 00:28 |
| joecool | ok, will need this working by next week so phone is usable in canada | 00:29 |
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| loin | Jonni, too bad, i'd really love to get rid of that inception thing | 00:29 |
| loin | Jonni, how do you override package origins? | 00:30 |
| Jonni | lets see if I have time some day, I was planning to write triple boot tutorial soon also. | 00:30 |
| Jonni | basicly I've just patched dpkg to allow AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN export. | 00:31 |
| loin | that's it? | 00:32 |
| fmunozs | but only in openmode? | 00:32 |
| Jonni | so I just run "AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo/ovi dpkg -i foobar.deb" if I want package installed as ovi credentials, and "AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo dpkg -i package.deb" if I want to package appear as nokia system pacakge | 00:32 |
| Jonni | fmunozs: I have enabled that in secure mode :) | 00:32 |
| loin | Jonni, don't you need open mode to AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN ? | 00:33 |
| Jonni | so basicly all the benefits of open mode export, but without need to ever go into open mode :). So you dont need openmode :) | 00:34 |
| Jonni | by default you need to be in openmode to use that export, it just requires a bit of paching to enable that in secure mode. | 00:35 |
| fmunozs | but you can't "easily" replace dpkg with a patched one, or can you? | 00:35 |
| Jonni | I find using export much cleaner solution than inception :) | 00:35 |
| loin | Jonni, any commits you can point to for the dpkg thing? | 00:35 |
| Jonni | fmunozs: well define easily, I just have a 3-line shell script that does the patching, so its semi-easy. :) | 00:36 |
| fmunozs | not sure, I was just guessing that dpk is protected by aegis so you couldn't replace it without causing MALF on reboot | 00:37 |
| fmunozs | dpkg* | 00:38 |
| Jonni | fmunozs: well yes simple replace causes malf. basicly line 1 just does echo trick to selected place, line 2 calculates new sha1sum for reflashlist and line 3 just resigns refhashlist with opensh capabilities. | 00:39 |
| Jonni | ie if you patch things, you need to make corresponding changes to refhashlist to keep system happy | 00:39 |
| fmunozs | yep | 00:40 |
| Jonni | but after the patch life is easy and you never need to use inception again :) | 00:41 |
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| fmunozs | :/ can't run QtSDK on new ubuntu | 00:56 |
| Jonni | 13.04? | 00:56 |
| fmunozs | seems i found a fix http://www.andreagrandi.it/2012/01/12/nokia-qtsdk-installer-crash-on-ubuntu-how-to-fix-it/ | 00:57 |
| fmunozs | yea, 13.04 and that fix -style cleanlooks worked | 00:58 |
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| loin | how can i set context properties? | 02:37 |
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| fmunozs | anyone tried the nfcchat demo on N9? I'm getting this error when trying to stablish the connection Status message: Client socket error: The socket operation failed because the application lacked the required privileges. | 04:50 |
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| fmunozs | oh seems to be an issue with 1.0 firmware | 04:52 |
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| loin | hello, does anyone know if i can just change context properties as easily as i can read them with libcontextsubscriber? | 09:50 |
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| loin | does anyone know how i can interface with the email app to force sync? | 10:28 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd expect dbus | 10:52 |
| dm8tbr | can't you just listen to dbus and see the sent messages? | 10:52 |
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| loin | dm8tbr, listen to see what happens when i press sync? | 11:18 |
| dm8tbr | $ man dbus-monitor | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on voting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1341376#post1341376 | 11:38 |
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| loin | dm8tbr, thank you for that, i'm checking it out now | 12:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: anyway filenames with spaces are a pita in unix, and I strongly suggest to not even allow them anywhere. When importing e.g. mp3 then just convert all spaces to underlines | 14:29 |
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| loin | what is the user password | 20:07 |
| loin | for ssh user@... | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't one, I don't think. | 20:11 |
| Morpog_PC | u need to set one | 20:11 |
| Morpog_PC | devel-su | 20:11 |
| Morpog_PC | passwd user (and enter some password) | 20:11 |
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| t7kus | hi | 20:25 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, I use iTunes to manage my music, it renames files and folders depending on artist/album/title | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | so that's not an option | 20:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 20:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | itunes | 20:34 |
| loin | Morpog_PC, i was thinking about that but i'm not sure | 20:38 |
| loin | thanks GeneralAntilles , Morpog_PC | 20:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: hey, i saw sowatch code, i'm too noob to make bb10 port :) but at least i still can try :) | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, less noon than me. | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Noob* | 20:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | don't think so :) | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm a facilitator and wannabe writer. :P | 20:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm just sloth :) | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, yeah, sloth I know. | 20:58 |
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| fmunozs | Jonni, do you know if it affects somehow performance having a big image on the qml diectory if it is not used? | 21:55 |
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| Jonni | fmunozs: well if its inside qrc then yes it affects, if its not, then not. | 21:56 |
| fmunozs | thanks, i always put the launcher splash image there (to avoid editing the pro file) | 21:58 |
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| loin | am i alone in thinking that jolla is crap? | 23:28 |
| dm8tbr | what would you base that opinion on? | 23:29 |
| loin | demos online | 23:29 |
| loin | by demos i mean videos | 23:29 |
| dm8tbr | their usage paradigm seems consistent and ui choices seem thought out, what's your gripe then? | 23:31 |
| loin | well, i just don;t like the ui | 23:31 |
| loin | it's nothing like the swipe ui | 23:32 |
| loin | it looks too much like android | 23:32 |
| dm8tbr | well, de gustibus non est disputandum | 23:33 |
| dm8tbr | nobody will force you to like it | 23:33 |
| loin | i was just wondering if other people felt the same | 23:34 |
| loin | that was all | 23:34 |
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