| Venemo | maybe it should've synced your already existing contacts up | 00:00 |
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| njsf | Google contacts phone # info is accessible via MfE or CardDAV. And MfE is going away next Jan | 00:00 |
| Venemo | I dunno | 00:00 |
| RzR | MfE is going away next Jan ? | 00:01 |
| RzR | how comes ? | 00:01 |
| njsf | for google accounts yes | 00:01 |
| RzR | why? | 00:02 |
| njsf | Not sure if for "personal" accounts only or for their Google Apps accounts too | 00:02 |
| RzR | well i dont see benefits of using exchange anyway | 00:02 |
| njsf | If they keep it in the Google Apps, then the move is to charge for it | 00:02 |
| njsf | since they will not be creating new free accounts in Google Apps | 00:03 |
| njsf | Also really makes migration of Android to Windows Phone users a non-starter | 00:03 |
| njsf | I don't think WP has CardDAV (N9 does not have for sure :) ) | 00:04 |
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| buhman | ^ | 00:04 |
| RzR | rashm2k, how do u wake up screen on dev b ? | 00:05 |
| RzR | 68% | 00:05 |
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| rashm2k | press the power button? | 00:16 |
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| pa | anybody familiar with symbian? | 00:19 |
| Venemo | pa: I've seen it | 00:19 |
| pa | is there a media player that can play videos over http? like the stock player of harmattan? | 00:19 |
| pa | and possibly mkv | 00:20 |
| Venemo | oh | 00:21 |
| Venemo | I have no clue | 00:21 |
| RzR | mplayer ? | 00:22 |
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| RzR | 75% | 00:26 |
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| ladoga | pa: mplayer does that by simply mplayer <url> if there's slower connection you might want to use -cache and -cache-min flags | 00:40 |
| RzR | phttp://blog.parts-people.com/2012/12/20/mobile-raspberry-pi-computer-build-your-own-portable-rpi-to-go/ | 00:40 |
| ladoga | "mplayer -cache 8192 -cache-min 50 <url>" would download 8MB cache and download 50% of it before the playing starts | 00:43 |
| ladoga | rest being downloaded while playing | 00:43 |
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| bobofosho123 | Hey everyone, I just wanted to ask a question in here that I posted in the forums in the hopes of getting an answer: | 06:47 |
| bobofosho123 | I currently own a Cyan Nokia N9 16g. I've had the phone for a about 4 months and have never had a data plan with my carrier active on the phone. For the record, I live in the USA and use T-Mobile, which uses the 1700 and 1900 MHz bands for 3G and HSPA+ data. Even though the phone is clearly compatible with the network for Internet I've had tons of issues properly configuring the phone to work with the data connection. | 06:47 |
| bobofosho123 | I've already made sure the APN is set to epc.t-mobile.com and that the Access Point code (1234) is correct. I've spoken to reps at the highest level of tech support to see what the issue and they can't seem to find anything wrong, so now I'm coming here to see if anyone has any ideas. I've uploaded some screenshots of the settings for the data connection below: | 06:47 |
| bobofosho123 | [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JGFZn.png[/IMG] | 06:47 |
| bobofosho123 | [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JI2p6.png[/IMG] | 06:47 |
| bobofosho123 | [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fS6F2.png[/IMG] | 06:47 |
| bobofosho123 | The connection works intermittently, sometimes it'll work for a day, sometimes it won't work at all. Sometimes it'll load web pages halfway and then cut out, other times it won't sync properly with my email, Facebook, or Twitter accounts, etc. The problems seem to be random. FYI, I already know it works totally fine on wifi connections. If anyone has any ideas feel free to help. Thanks in advance. | 06:47 |
| bobofosho123 | -Cheers, bobofosho123 | 06:48 |
| bobofosho123 | UPDATE: I forgot to mention a few other details, whenever I reboot the phone I get a text from T-Mobile saying "We see your phone doesn't have correct settings to access the Internet or send MMS. You will receive a message on how to fix this." After that, a screen appears asking for the access point access code, which is 1234, and then it comes up again twice and then it finally connects. However, it normally fails to | 06:48 |
| bobofosho123 | properly connect to the data network, meaning I'm still unable to access the Internet. | 06:48 |
| bobofosho123 | If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. | 06:48 |
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| bobofosho123 | DocScrutinizer05: Could you help me out? | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, not really | 06:56 |
| bobofosho123 | Damn, no problem lol. | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be related to storage of credentials in that secure aegis filesystem | 06:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I would wonder if your sim works with any phone | 06:58 |
| bobofosho123 | It does | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc we've seen similar problems of password not getting stored for other services, particularly some Nokia login | 06:58 |
| bobofosho123 | I've tried it on an iPhone | 06:58 |
| bobofosho123 | since it's the only other one I could find with a Microsim | 06:58 |
| bobofosho123 | Any potential solutions | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflashing sometimes helped for that other problem | 07:00 |
| bobofosho123 | But then I would lose all of my apps, settings, etc. | 07:00 |
| bobofosho123 | I would do that as a last resort. | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, probably | 07:00 |
| bluefox | built in backup functionality should get everything but applications | 07:01 |
| bobofosho123 | gotcha | 07:01 |
| bobofosho123 | alright | 07:01 |
| bobofosho123 | Ist that only potential solution you can think of? | 07:02 |
| bobofosho123 | *Is that | 07:02 |
| bluefox | at least it got all my contacts/sms/etc moved over when i switched phones | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure it's any solution at all | 07:02 |
| bobofosho123 | gotcha | 07:02 |
| bobofosho123 | Anything more concrete? | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't there a setting where you could check what's the stored password of APN? | 07:04 |
| thedead1440 | bobofosho123: have you tried deleting all your connections and starting afresh? | 07:05 |
| bobofosho123 | Theres is no stored password as far as I can tell | 07:06 |
| bobofosho123 | thedead1440: I'll try that. | 07:06 |
| thedead1440 | bobofosho123: use gconf to unset the values and reboot | 07:07 |
| thedead1440 | maybe it helps | 07:07 |
| bobofosho123 | how do I do that? | 07:07 |
| bobofosho123 | sorry a bit of a n00b | 07:07 |
| thedead1440 | gconftool --recursive-unset /system/http_proxy + gconftool --recursive-unset /system/proxy + gconftool --recursive-unset /system/osso | 07:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no stored password? well, that's the answer then | 07:07 |
| bobofosho123 | do I do that from terminal? | 07:07 |
| thedead1440 | those are 3 commands you have to type in terminal | 07:07 |
| bobofosho123 | gotcha | 07:07 |
| thedead1440 | the + is to append 1 from 2 and 2 from 3 | 07:07 |
| bobofosho123 | go it, thanks | 07:08 |
| bobofosho123 | *got it | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: so why not use && ? | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or ; | 07:08 |
| bobofosho123 | brb | 07:08 |
| thedead1440 | yup :) | 07:08 |
| thedead1440 | my bad | 07:09 |
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| bobofosho123 | so I ran those three commands in order | 07:26 |
| bobofosho123 | and restarted the device | 07:26 |
| bobofosho123 | so now I should just attempt to connect to T-Mobile's data network again. | 07:26 |
| bobofosho123 | Is that correct? | 07:28 |
| bobofosho123 | thedead1440? | 07:28 |
| bobofosho123 | It didn't work | 07:34 |
| bobofosho123 | The commands erased the values, I rebooted the device, and then connected to "Tmobile Web2Go" and it didn't work. | 07:34 |
| bobofosho123 | i.e. I still can't connect to the Internet | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bobofosho123: please go to settings->internet->edit-networks->"your network" and set APN user name and password there | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then quit the screen, quit settings. Go there again and see if it got stored | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it still doesn't work, delete the whole setting and reconfigure it | 07:50 |
| bobofosho123 | I don't know what the username or password are though | 07:51 |
| bobofosho123 | I wasn't given either one by T-Mobile | 07:51 |
| thedead1440 | bobofosho123: yup; i just saw your thread on TMO too and one of the reply there said not to have any proxy selected instead of the automatic you had | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you say password is 1234? | 07:51 |
| bobofosho123 | no | 07:51 |
| bobofosho123 | the access code it asks me to enter to fetch the info. is 1234 | 07:52 |
| bobofosho123 | different | 07:52 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 07:52 |
| bobofosho123 | It's not the username and password you're thinking of | 07:52 |
| thedead1440 | so you mean you receive a message enter that code to receive settings? | 07:52 |
| bobofosho123 | exactly | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually you need to set up username and password. user frequently is "internet" or similar nonsense, password often is empty | 07:53 |
| thedead1440 | bobofosho123: exactly what DocScrutinizer05 said; is that the way in your case? | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please find out about the correct values for your APN | 07:53 |
| bobofosho123 | http://i.imgur.com/K53Js.png | 07:53 |
| bobofosho123 | Okay, I'll call T-Mobile again and ask | 07:54 |
| bobofosho123 | thanks for all the help thus far btw | 07:54 |
| bobofosho123 | I really appreciate it. | 07:54 |
| bobofosho123 | that screenshot shows the pin screen that pops up | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's athing called configuration SMS or sth, you receive it, device asks you if you want to use those settings. If you answer "yes" then those settings like APN, username and password get set up for you | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what you request by your "1234" | 07:56 |
| bobofosho123 | exactly | 07:56 |
| bobofosho123 | yep, I enter that code | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might not work as expected | 07:56 |
| bobofosho123 | another screen pops up asking to save the MMS and Internet settings | 07:56 |
| bobofosho123 | I save them | 07:56 |
| bobofosho123 | and a small black box pops up on the homescreen saying "We've recieved your settings" | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should google for your APN, the username and password settings are no secret | 07:57 |
| bobofosho123 | but then it doesn't work | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and configure manually | 07:57 |
| bobofosho123 | http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1976 | 07:58 |
| bobofosho123 | would that be a relevant document? | 07:58 |
| bobofosho123 | or do those settings no apply to the N9 | 07:58 |
| bobofosho123 | i.e. the username as "None" | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 07:58 |
| thedead1440 | bobofosho123: http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data | 07:58 |
| thedead1440 | oops you already have the link :D | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | APN: epc.tmobile.com Username: None (SIC!) Password: <Not set> | 08:00 |
| bobofosho123 | I saved it | 08:01 |
| bobofosho123 | restarting device | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://i.imgur.com/fS6F2.png[/IMG] | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | nope | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | still not working | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | followed your insreuctions to the letter | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | both of your instructions | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | change user name to "none" | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | all the settings are correct | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | huh | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | well now it loaded a web page | 08:06 |
| bobofosho123 | but it was slow as molasses | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | change proxy from "automatic" to "none" as well | 08:07 |
| bobofosho123 | way to slow for HSPA+ at full bars | 08:07 |
| bobofosho123 | already did that. | 08:07 |
| thedead1440 | do a speedtest then ;) | 08:07 |
| bobofosho123 | got a site that works on the n9 for speedtest? | 08:07 |
| bobofosho123 | or app? | 08:07 |
| thedead1440 | cnlab speedtest from the store is for free | 08:07 |
| bobofosho123 | already have it lol | 08:08 |
| bobofosho123 | nevermind | 08:08 |
| bobofosho123 | closest server is NY | 08:08 |
| bobofosho123 | I'm in LA | 08:08 |
| bobofosho123 | whatev | 08:08 |
| bobofosho123 | here goes | 08:08 |
| bobofosho123 | Seems way to slow to me | 08:10 |
| bobofosho123 | 1880 kBit/s down and 48 kBit/s up | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1880k downstream? sounds pretty fine to me | 08:11 |
| bobofosho123 | that's barely above 3g speed. | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is as fast as my DSL here | 08:12 |
| bobofosho123 | And it's still not connecting to other services properly | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maximum bandwidth only under optimum conditions | 08:13 |
| bobofosho123 | It's timing out with email, facebook, twitter, etc. | 08:13 |
| bobofosho123 | true, but it's still not working | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange | 08:13 |
| thedead1440 | maybe give it another reboot? | 08:13 |
| thedead1440 | although i don't see why a reboot is needed :o | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suggest you first make sure you don't see this requester anymore | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only then bother about speed | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since those are two unrelated topics | 08:15 |
| bobofosho123 | I'm not seeing the access code request anymore | 08:16 |
| bobofosho123 | but the connection still isn't working | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might have enabled powersave mode or what it's called | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is basically pretty much tearing down connectivity for most services when it kicks in | 08:17 |
| bobofosho123 | It's not on | 08:17 |
| bobofosho123 | just checked | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (the one where you define % of battery capacity) | 08:18 |
| bobofosho123 | I know, it's off | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doublecheck if your APN is up to date | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the info that is | 08:18 |
| bobofosho123 | epc.tmobile.com? | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 08:18 |
| bobofosho123 | yep | 08:19 |
| bobofosho123 | all good | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well if that's the recommended APN, and your logon works, then any connectivity problems are probably on carrier side | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not much you can do about it | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blame t-mo | 08:20 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: blame talk.maemo.org? :p | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo | 08:20 |
| infobot | well, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~T-MO | 08:20 |
| infobot | from memory, t-mo is T-Mobile | 08:20 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 08:20 |
| bobofosho123 | anyway | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tm0 | 08:21 |
| infobot | tm0 is probably trolls, mooses and orangutans | 08:21 |
| bobofosho123 | The strange part to this is the T-mobile rep said all things were green on their end with my connection | 08:22 |
| bobofosho123 | they showed no connectivity problems | 08:22 |
| bobofosho123 | and this is coming from a senior tech rep | 08:22 |
| bobofosho123 | i.e. the highest level support, blah blah blah | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they have pretty poor diagnostics tools for individual connections | 08:22 |
| thedead1440 | why not disconnect and reconnect to the connection? | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all they can do is check the config and the general network/cell status | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if the hear "1234" and "epc.tmobile.com" from your side... | 08:24 |
| bobofosho123 | I've done that a million times | 08:24 |
| bobofosho123 | I've troubleshooted the living hell out of this thing lmao | 08:24 |
| bobofosho123 | and I tried an AT&T sim and it worked perfectly | 08:25 |
| thedead1440 | so then its the T-MO sim thats the issue not the phone | 08:25 |
| thedead1440 | get a replacement sim from them? | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! the sim obviously works | 08:26 |
| thedead1440 | i mean if the AT&T sim works well and the Tmobile one has speed etc issues then could be a lousy quality sim, no? | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like data flows *through* the SIM | 08:27 |
| bobofosho123 | Alright, seems to be working now | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the SIM is only used for logon purposes | 08:27 |
| bobofosho123 | porn sites are loading | 08:27 |
| bobofosho123 | I'm happy | 08:27 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | logon evidently works | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no use in swapping the SIM | 08:28 |
| thedead1440 | yes right ;) | 08:28 |
| bobofosho123 | btw, I want auto-retrieve IP Address and DNS address on, right? | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 08:28 |
| thedead1440 | unless you have a manual address to input leave it on auto | 08:28 |
| bobofosho123 | got it | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | full DHCP | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. retrieve IP, DNS and other shite from network, aka 'automatic' | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe proxy, which you usually don't want to use, except when you want to use it since e.g. it does some compression for you | 08:31 |
| bobofosho123 | btw | 08:31 |
| bobofosho123 | does the N9 have VPN functionality built in? | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't think so | 08:31 |
| bobofosho123 | That's what I though | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you better ask you dad | 08:31 |
| bobofosho123 | *thought | 08:31 |
| bobofosho123 | mmmhmmm lmao | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 08:32 |
| bobofosho123 | Anyways, Happy Festivus for the rest of us everyone | 08:32 |
| bobofosho123 | or at least for me | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and HOOHOOHOOOOO | 08:32 |
| bobofosho123 | hohoho indeed | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you do me a favour and see what a /msg nickserv info DocScrutinizer05 shows for you. (it shows different detail when you ask for own account) | 08:33 |
| bobofosho123 | me? | 08:33 |
| bobofosho123 | sure | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whoever | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | Information on DocScrutinizer05 (account jOERG_rw): | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | Registered : Jun 04 12:27:14 2012 (28 weeks, 5 days, 18:07:06 ago) | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | User reg. : Jun 01 00:56:15 2008 (4 years, 29 weeks, 3 days, 05:38:05 ago) | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | Last addr : ~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | Last seen : now | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | Email : joerg@openmoko.org | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | Metadata : cloak-alternative = Maemo/community/council/joerg_reisenweber | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | *** End of Info *** | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | sure | 08:34 |
| bobofosho123 | take it easy | 08:35 |
| bobofosho123 | night | 08:35 |
| bobofosho123 | thanks for the help | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 08:35 |
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| dm8tbr | hrm, missed him. there is vpn functionality. at least tun/tap is there | 08:57 |
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| ttt0600 | hi | 09:13 |
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| ladoga | thedead1440: do you have ffmpeg running on n9? | 11:19 |
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| thedead1440 | ladoga: nope on the laptop | 11:36 |
| thedead1440 | i used movgrab on my laptop | 11:36 |
| ladoga | thanks | 11:38 |
| ladoga | transcoding on n9 might take some time :) | 11:39 |
| thedead1440 | ya that's what i thought | 11:39 |
| ladoga | though ffmpeg would be useful there too | 11:39 |
| thedead1440 | i was thinking maybe if there is a way to transcode on the n900 since its my spare so you know input like 5-10 videos at night to transcode so 0 disturbance | 11:39 |
| ladoga | btw. with movgrab i think you can use "" just around the URL? | 11:40 |
| thedead1440 | i had to use it around the file name i wanted to save as not on the URL | 11:40 |
| thedead1440 | initially i was saving as xyz.mp4 without spaces so i thought the "" were redundant but it kept grabbing 0byte files | 11:41 |
| ladoga | only reason it fails is because youtube links contain ? i think | 11:41 |
| thedead1440 | so finally i realised that it was my stupid mistake to omit the "" from the file name | 11:41 |
| ladoga | hmm.. for me movgrab works fine with movgrab -o angryspace.mp4 -f mp4:1280x720 "http://www.youtube.com/wat | 11:42 |
| ladoga | ch?v=WKgGphfZXqA" | 11:42 |
| ladoga | sorry...broke the line | 11:42 |
| thedead1440 | yup | 11:42 |
| thedead1440 | but when i added it into one line with the ffmpeg command thats when i was getting the error | 11:42 |
| thedead1440 | hence the long time figuring out what i was doing wrong :D | 11:42 |
| ladoga | thats weird because they are separate commands | 11:43 |
| thedead1440 | oh you added "" on the URL which i didnt | 11:43 |
| ladoga | ; in between | 11:43 |
| thedead1440 | even my final command in one line has no "" on the URL | 11:43 |
| ladoga | yes "" needs to be around url as it contains ? | 11:43 |
| thedead1440 | just on the inputfile.mp4 | 11:43 |
| thedead1440 | ah ok | 11:43 |
| ladoga | ; just equals to "press enter" | 11:44 |
| thedead1440 | yup that's why i was thinking what was wrong :S | 11:44 |
| ladoga | same as && afaik | 11:44 |
| thedead1440 | && didn't work for me but maybe it was due to the "" | 11:45 |
| ladoga | nothing works if "" wasn't around the url...otherwise bash parses it as wildcard | 11:45 |
| ladoga | it=? | 11:46 |
| thedead1440 | true but why when i put no "" on the URL but on the input.mp4 does it work fine? | 11:46 |
| ladoga | i think ´´ you put around the whole thing solved that too | 11:47 |
| thedead1440 | ah no wonder | 11:47 |
| ladoga | it prevented bash from interpreting whats inside and just executed the whole | 11:47 |
| thedead1440 | i had followed from this thread on TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88150 | 11:48 |
| thedead1440 | it too has no "" on the URL and without the backticks too | 11:48 |
| ladoga | maybe ash interprets it differently | 11:50 |
| ladoga | or whatever shell he has | 11:50 |
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| ladoga | i'm just used to using "" around paths or filenames that contain !,?,*,>,< space etc. | 11:52 |
| thedead1440 | nope i think its the way movgrab expects it; it doesn't expect with the "" i just tried it without the backticks too | 11:54 |
| thedead1440 | ~ $ movgrab -o "angryspace.mp4" -f mp4:1280x720 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKgGphfZXqA ; ffmpeg -i angryspace.mp4 -s 1280x720 -r 29.97 -vcodec libx264 -vb 1536k -vprofile baseline -acodec ac3 -ab 192k -ac 6 angry_n9.mp4 ; rm -rf angryspace.mp4 | 11:54 |
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| thedead1440 | but yeah its always good practice to have the "" around special characters; i've had a few problems when i miss out on them :o | 11:56 |
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| thedead1440 | ladoga: another thing i realised was using 25fps was markedly better in the sense at 29.97 there can be slight stuttering if you use cuteTube to play the video in the background or if you aggressively change the volume; these were taken care of at 25fps | 12:00 |
| ladoga | for 1280x720 or 854x480 or both? | 12:02 |
| thedead1440 | 1280x720 | 12:02 |
| thedead1440 | havent tried 854x480 | 12:02 |
| ladoga | i guess it's better to use 25fps then | 12:03 |
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| ladoga | i only noticed stuttering when going above 30fps | 12:03 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 12:03 |
| ladoga | but didn't try with 1280x720 yet | 12:03 |
| thedead1440 | so for 1280x720 25fps and 854x480 29.97fps | 12:04 |
| ladoga | i'm now trying with -r 30 -g 30 | 12:06 |
| thedead1440 | is it any better? | 12:06 |
| ladoga | i wonder if theres a better way to set i-frames | 12:06 |
| ladoga | as this depends on fps | 12:07 |
| thedead1440 | not sure | 12:07 |
| ladoga | so with -r 25 youd have -g 25 | 12:07 |
| ladoga | and so on | 12:08 |
| thedead1440 | yup | 12:08 |
| ladoga | to have one i-frame per second | 12:08 |
| ladoga | from what i understood i frames are higher quality frames used for reference and indexing | 12:08 |
| ladoga | so having more i-frames makes searching faster and enhances picture quality | 12:08 |
| thedead1440 | wouldn't that mean stuttering would be more likely? | 12:09 |
| ladoga | but has some cost in overall filesize | 12:09 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 12:09 |
| ladoga | without enough i-frames searching would be less accurate | 12:10 |
| ladoga | skipping...you probably noticed when playing some videos | 12:10 |
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| thedead1440 | yes | 12:10 |
| ladoga | so i guess it's worth trying | 12:11 |
| thedead1440 | certainly | 12:11 |
| thedead1440 | i'll try it with 25fps 1280x720 now | 12:11 |
| ladoga | end result should be just video that is more responsive to player controls | 12:11 |
| ladoga | and which might look slightly better (not that it's bad now) | 12:12 |
| thedead1440 | that would be desired of course :) | 12:12 |
| thedead1440 | i tested the same video on 25fps 1280x720 with and without the I-frame setting and certainly it seems to skip faster with I-frames; file size increase in my case was 100kB larger for that 44s angry birds space video | 12:18 |
| thedead1440 | thats around a 1% increase in size | 12:18 |
| ladoga | if source video is not good quality.. has garbled frames for example and such broken frame is used as reference. then output would be ruined until next i-frame | 12:19 |
| ladoga | so having more i-frames helps in that too | 12:19 |
| thedead1440 | ah thats good | 12:19 |
| ladoga | or thats how i understood what i read today:) | 12:20 |
| thedead1440 | it seems like what you said: http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Encoding_Suggestions#Encoder_latency | 12:20 |
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| Timo | Hi there | 12:46 |
| Timo | I've got a question about the vkb | 12:46 |
| Timo | I've bought myself a slide out BT keyboard, and paired it with btinput. How do I let the VKB hide, or how do I edit the layout of the VKB, so I can make a VKB without any keys? | 12:48 |
| ladoga | go ahead | 12:48 |
| Timo | see above ;) | 12:48 |
| ladoga | you were too fast:) | 12:48 |
| Timo | :) | 12:49 |
| ladoga | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1173384&postcount=9 | 12:49 |
| ladoga | does that answer your question? | 12:50 |
| Timo | Yeah, but that's only a terminal | 12:50 |
| Timo | I'm a terminal beast, but whatsapp doesn't have a CLI ;) | 12:50 |
| Timo | *Wazapp | 12:51 |
| ladoga | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82375&highlight=hide+terminal+bluetooth | 12:52 |
| Timo | install MesInput from Nokia Store; | 12:53 |
| Timo | - open MesInput and search for "Empyt for VNC" keyboard layout and install it; | 12:53 |
| Timo | - swipe to right or left until this keyboard layout appears | 12:53 |
| Timo | Nice, gonna try that, thanks for that thread :) | 12:53 |
| Timo | Harmattan on the N900 would be so nice | 12:55 |
| Timo | it's sad that Nokia gave it just 256 MB of ram | 12:55 |
| ladoga | Theres many sad things that nokia did | 13:00 |
| Timo | *That Elop did | 13:00 |
| ladoga | I'm quite suprised they managed to put out such nice devices as N9 and N900 at all | 13:01 |
| Timo | Done, I now have an empty VKB, thanks! | 13:01 |
| Timo | ladoga: hmhm | 13:01 |
| Hurrian | Timo, Harmattan on the N900? Well, the kernel will need to be patched for Aegis first. | 13:01 |
| Timo | Hurrian: isn't it possible to port harmattan without aegis | 13:02 |
| Hurrian | Last time I tried, it failed the boot for not having the required sysfs entries, and since it had less than 1GB RAM, it started swapping on /dev/mtd5. | 13:02 |
| Timo | Yeah, that's another question I have: If I want to upgrade Nano and Imgrup by apt-get upgrade, Aegis tells me that it won't let me do that because it was previously installed out of the ovi store. Is there any way to fix that? | 13:03 |
| Hurrian | Timo: The kernel-level interfaces for Aegis are open-source, and can be ported to any kernel. We could run that on the 2.6.37 Adaptation kernel, and try to boot Harmattan (with mtdswap OFF!) | 13:03 |
| Hurrian | Timo: export AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo/ovi | 13:04 |
| Hurrian | dpkg -i debfile.deb | 13:04 |
| ladoga | if in openmode | 13:04 |
| Timo | ladoga: only inception | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | then incept the package. | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | HOWEVER | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | you will only be able to upgrade by incepting. | 13:06 |
| Hurrian | question though, why not enter Open Mode? | 13:07 |
| ladoga | hurrian is there any use for removing all aegis mounts in open mode? | 13:07 |
| Hurrian | They make apps work normally again. | 13:07 |
| ladoga | well i guess there's no use having them | 13:07 |
| Hurrian | (Back up your SSL certs first!) | 13:07 |
| ladoga | i did, well atleast output of df is not cluttered withthem anymore :) | 13:08 |
| Hurrian | Want to clear up the df output even more? Move /home to rootfs. | 13:09 |
| Timo | Hurrian: So with open mode, it won't bother me with aegis things? | 13:09 |
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| Hurrian | Patched open mode. | 13:09 |
| Hurrian | Aegis shouldn't hinder you anymore (just remember to set AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN instead of incepting, dpkg is still Aegis-patched) | 13:10 |
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| ladoga | would it be possible to install the stock dpkg from debian? | 13:11 |
| Hurrian | I would do a diff first. | 13:11 |
| Hurrian | it may break osa. | 13:11 |
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| Timo | Actually, I don't want to reflash my phone to install open mode :P | 13:12 |
| Hurrian | Timo: you don't need to ref lash. | 13:12 |
| thedead1440 | its just flashing kernel | 13:12 |
| Timo | okay | 13:12 |
| ladoga | isn't it good to flash userspace too | 13:12 |
| Timo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81579 | 13:12 |
| ladoga | to avoid account related problems | 13:13 |
| thedead1440 | ladoga: from what i understand you can delete the accounts first or simply delete the 3 folders after the flashing of open mode kernel to fix it up... never had any account related problems after that | 13:13 |
| ladoga | i did clean flash before flashing openmode kernel, so no idea | 13:13 |
| ladoga | ok | 13:14 |
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| Timo | the thread says a reflash is needed... | 13:14 |
| ladoga | i remember reading somewhere that it could cause some problems | 13:14 |
| thedead1440 | except for deleting the 3 folders i never had problems when changing the kernel | 13:15 |
| freemangordon | ~seen arcean | 13:15 |
| infobot | arcean <~arcean@aaes41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 10h 3m 37s ago, saying: 'yeah, it good time for bed :)'. | 13:15 |
| Timo | I'll incept it for now | 13:15 |
| thedead1440 | the reflash comment must be as a precaution measure | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | probably from battery life paranoia. | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | (but the N9 has crap battery life with the LPM clock on anyways) | 13:18 |
| thedead1440 | battery life affected by open mode? didn't know that | 13:19 |
| thedead1440 | never noticed a difference personally | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | paranoia. | 13:19 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 13:19 |
| thedead1440 | or maybe the OP just doesn't want to be responsible for someone somewhere screwing something up | 13:20 |
| ladoga | btw. Timo are you a finn? | 13:22 |
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| Timo | ladoga: nope, a dutchman :) | 13:25 |
| Timo | but with a Finnish name :0 | 13:25 |
| ladoga | Timo is quite sual name here too | 13:25 |
| Timo | Great, packages are incepted :) | 13:25 |
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| Timo | There are quite a few people called Timo in the year I was born :) | 13:27 |
| thedead1440 | Timo: just curious, why didn't you simply uninstall the old packages and install anew instead of incepting the new ones? | 13:27 |
| Timo | in the Netherlands | 13:27 |
| Timo | thedead1440: that's a good question | 13:27 |
| thedead1440 | now you are in the same situation; no package can replace that incepted package | 13:27 |
| thedead1440 | so unless you incept the next upgrade you still have to purge and install | 13:28 |
| Timo | Why do things in the simple way if there's also a difficult one ;) | 13:28 |
| Timo | it are just two packages | 13:28 |
| Timo | so incepting that two isn't that hard | 13:28 |
| Timo | Is there by the way also something like a maemo-offtopic channel? :P | 13:35 |
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| rashm2k | how I include bb10 qt libraries? | 15:49 |
| rashm2k | qt creator can't seem to find qobject | 15:50 |
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| faenil | rashm2k, I guess this question is for #BlackBerryDev | 16:08 |
| faenil | anyway, there's a wiki guide about how to configure QtCreator for BB10 | 16:09 |
| rashm2k | I fixed it - seems like Qt creator does not like absolute include paths, once I included the QtCore from the bbndk is worked fine. | 16:10 |
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| pa | RzR, ladoga, mplayer for symbian? does the port exist? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Yes, it exists in hell | 16:58 |
| RST38h | Satan uses it t torture iPhone users | 16:59 |
| pa | :) | 17:23 |
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| ladoga | pa: I have no clue about symbian, never used it. But mplayer being a CLI program I doubt | 18:16 |
| ladoga | i use mplayer (via smplayer GUI on the desktop) and on N9 via KMPlayer (to use subtitles) | 18:18 |
| ladoga | when used as backend with a correct config file it autoloads subtitle files | 18:20 |
| ladoga | also mplayer might be able to play some formats that gstreamer can't | 18:22 |
| ladoga | i also use it from command line - although rarely - to listen to internet radio streams | 18:26 |
| ladoga | like mplayer -playlist http://radio.radiohelsinki.fi/listen2.pls | 18:26 |
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| dt3rm | hi guys... | 21:21 |
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| dt3rm | i have a nokia n9 and i was wondering if i can create folders in my galary | 21:23 |
| leinir | not quite | 21:25 |
| leinir | but you /can/ tag things, and then show those tags | 21:26 |
| dt3rm | ok thanks i will give that a try see how that works... | 21:28 |
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| ladoga | any ideas why "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video1" doesn't work? | 21:31 |
| ladoga | it seems to recognize the device as video output | 21:33 |
| ladoga | http://pastebin.com/0BiphUtx | 21:33 |
| ladoga | I'm trying to find out if N9 cameras' output are accessible from /dev | 21:36 |
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| ladoga | looks like on n900 it works pretty much the same as any desktop/laptop webcams | 21:37 |
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