IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-10-22

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trxjonni ladoga thanks!00:30
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DocScrutinizer05pa: too bad but afaik you can't "downgrade" from 006 to 00101:45
DocScrutinizer05stupid flasher/aegis/whatever considers XXX-006 a 'newer' version of XXX-00101:46
ieatlintthat also sucked that you can't downgrade01:46
DocScrutinizer05so you could upgrade from PR1.1-006 to PR1.2-00101:46
ieatlinti was never sure what that was supposed to do for you01:47
DocScrutinizer05I elaborated on the purpose of this idiocy just 24h ago01:47
DocScrutinizer05wasn't it in this chan?01:47
ieatlintmight've been, i've been busy/away :P01:48
DocScrutinizer05[Sonntag, 21. Oktober 2012] [02:28:20] <DocScrutinizer05> beford: actually they warned that downgrade is *not* possible, when they rolled out beta1.1 or whatever the name of first upgrade01:48
DocScrutinizer05so only 22h ago01:49
rzrsounds like a challenge :)01:49
ieatlinthaha, standard geek reaction... never tell a geek they can't do something01:50
DocScrutinizer05this is pretty foolproof01:51
DocScrutinizer05thanks to the whole security framework01:51
DocScrutinizer05not even Nokians can downgrade01:51
DocScrutinizer05except that one guru in R&D that manages that crap01:52
ieatlintyeah, it seems like having the dev certs on a device doesn't seem to actually give you more access to things01:52
DocScrutinizer05and that guy probably got fired months ago01:52
DocScrutinizer05having R&D cert allows you to really break aegis policies and get something similar to openmode - it does NOT allow to flash random arbitrary images01:54
DocScrutinizer05at least that's what I gathered01:54
ieatlintyeah, but there's already the ability to get to openmode without the dev certs... it's just a more official way to do it, but the end result seems to be the same01:55
tonyoyhi, where did you got this R&D cert ?01:55
ieatlintyou don't01:55
DocScrutinizer05nobody got that01:55
ieatlintonly internal devices have it, no way to get one01:55
DocScrutinizer05Nokia handed special N9* devices with those certs installed to some of their employees01:55
rzri remember a rule : no system is hacker proof01:56
DocScrutinizer05this rule is untrue, like all rules01:56
rzrhow can u be sure that there is no way to workaround this system /01:57
DocScrutinizer05the 'truth' is there's no such thing like "hacker proof"01:57
tonyoyok, maybe when jolla'outing these kind of certs...01:57
DocScrutinizer05there IS a way, it's just the question how much effort you need to put in01:57
ieatlinti don't know anything about jolla specifically, but the system will be different enough that the concept doesn't translate over to them01:58
rzrthere should be several :_01:58
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tonyoyseem that major part of jolla's employees are ex-nokia/meego/n9 team01:59
ieatlintsure, but that doesn't mean that they're copying the security system over... or will have the same "lock it down" policies nokia had with harmattan02:00
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tonyoyyour'right, they claim it will be more open02:07
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tonyoywhat I was hoping is that to gain n9 community, some will leak new bridges02:09
SpeedEvilI like aegis.02:09
SpeedEvilnot the way it's configures though02:09
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pahowever, there should be the possibility to disable it, in case one wants..02:20
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ieatlinti think the argument is that in order to disable it, it must require the phone owner to explicitly understand what they're doing, in order to prevent any nefarious activity02:21
ieatlintand nokia just eliminated the idea entirely... perhaps in part to keep network operators happier02:21
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pai would say that allowing to do it with some secret tool from command line would make 99% sure that the user knows what he/she is doing02:22
ieatlintas long as i don't write an app that runs said tool, right?02:23
pawell, technically when you run such tool password could be asked02:23
paor something like that02:23
paand a decent disclaimer could be printed02:24
paanyway, does anybody know what firmware is 009 Europe (2) ?02:24
pai have a middle east firmware on a phone i bought in US02:25
pamaybe i should just leave that02:25
pahm interesting02:29
pa006 is smaller than 00102:29
ieatlintusually it's based on what maps are preinstalled02:29
pabut isnt that on the emmc?02:29
ieatlintoh, yes02:30
pathe main bin is like 200mb smaller02:30
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pabtw are N8 and n950 sensors the same? (lens cant be i guess)03:08
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ieatlintfrom what i've been told, the n950 as distributed to people does not have the 12mp sensor03:25
ieatlintearlier hardware revisions did (and a few other changes), but when they mass produced them, they did not03:25
rzrpa: Show your best photos taken with #NokiA !N950Club only (#N9 vs #N950 fight), which is better?03:29
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pathanks i'll check it out03:44
pai have another question tho03:44
paim trying to sync my calendars03:45
paand now i just got an error "Data storage full. Please free up some space and try again"03:45
pawft? on gmail?03:45
pamy gmail account is 0% full...03:46
ieatlintare you using exchange/mfe to sync?03:48
paand it worked without problems so far03:49
palet me try a reboot03:50
ieatlinti'd otherwise suggest trying the exchange interface... i've had good luck with for email, contacts and calendar03:50
pacool, now it totally stopped syncing03:54
pawithout error03:54
pawhat did i do to this phone?03:55
ieatlintspin it clockwise 3 times with the lock screen showing (but not unlocked)03:56
pathe caldav account setting is also pretty weird03:59
pai dont even see where to change password03:59
paright, so it failed coz battery was low.. -.-04:03
pano comment, nokia04:03
paok, in the other caldav calendar instead it fails coz data storage is full04:04
pa  <-- ok this is it04:05
patmp too small04:06
pathat's it04:06
paieatlint, no, apparently it was some mess on google server side, found some instructions how to reset it server side, now it seems to work04:22
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lucidoI have trouble comipiling with the protobuf library, work fine when I compile for desktop, but if I try to compile for harmattan I get:  qtcreator error: google/protobuf/stubs/common.h: No such file or directory05:18
lucidoIs it beacause the qt SDK is missing the protobuf headers for harmattan?05:19
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lucidoI installed libprotobuf-lite on the n9 from itsnotabigtruck's repo but libprotobuf-dev is uninstallable because of a libc6 dependency, can I just download the libprotobuf-dev package extract it and copy it somewhere in the SDK's path, where should I put it?05:40
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tschakMAChas anyone in here made section scrollers that look like the MTF section scrollers in apps like Phone and Mail?05:44
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lucidoto answer my own question: I had to extract the armel dev package and add the path to the INCLUDEPATH06:08
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lucidoit compiles but the I think this is a linker error: arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lprotobuf07:03
lucidoI was missing the -Lpath from LIBS07:19
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lucido I cant create my app on the declarative cache because I cant include #include <MDeclarativeCache>08:19
lucido<lucido> I have CONFIG += qdeclarative-boostable and DEFINES += HARMATTAN_BOOSTER in my .pro08:19
lucidohow can I use the booster?08:19
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lucidoI extracted the -dev armel package and added its usr/include to the INCLUDEPATH but it didn't change anything08:25
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ladogahas anyone packaged scp sharing plugin for harmattan? (for the default sharing menu)09:09
ladogasomething like this
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tomyrihow can I remove file that is owned by nobody:nogroup?14:54
Kleggastom_: should devel-su have the rights for that?14:55
Kleggassorry, ment tomyri14:56
tomyriKleggas: oh, it seems to have14:56
tomyrijust tried to cat the file14:56
Corsactomyri: you don't care about the file permissions, you care about the parent folder permissions15:01
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mf2hdI have similar issua with my n9. i installed some version of cron for testing, but now that package refuses to uninstall because package handler can't remoce /etc/crontab15:13
mf2hdi have tried to check perms for nn times, but no luck15:14
mf2hdhave tried about every account that i know of, no beef15:14
mf2hdand because of that issue, there is a broken package in the system and now i can't install, remove or upgrade anything... had this issue once before and the i ended up refirming whole phone15:15
mf2hdso if some1 could help me with this issue, it would be nice =)15:16
Arkenoiwhy twitter behaves so weird in landscape mode?15:20
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phakoArkenoi: define "weird"15:57
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Arkenoiphako: 1) sometimes it just does not rotate 2) sometimes picture previews get cropped 3) sometimes screen just gets black until i turn it back to portrait16:29
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phakoI think it shouldn't work in landscape mode at all16:31
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rzrSfiet_Konstantin, working on apkenv.deb ?17:54
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Sfiet_Konstantinrzr: well, not now17:56
Sfiet_Konstantinthp don't want it to be widespread17:57
Sfiet_KonstantinI have it, easy stuff, but we need that thp approves it17:57
Sfiet_Konstantinjust install / unistall scripts17:57
Sfiet_Konstantinnow I'm writing the gui17:57
rzru know how to push to obs ?17:57
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I won't, thp's orders17:57
Sfiet_Konstantinand obs is kinda busy now isn't it ?17:58
rzrmay be17:58
rzrthen feel free to submit any package to shared repo , we'll wait thp :)17:58
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Sfiet_KonstantinI'm submitting to my repo currently, how to send to shared repo ?18:01
Sfiet_Konstantinmost of the time I push to apps.formeego18:01
rzrjust push to18:04
Sfiet_Konstantinwill you get emails about request, or will it be done automatically ?18:09
rzri need to approve req18:11
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Khertan_n950Hi all18:50
Khertan_n950Someone have already use ShareUI in python or with dbus ?18:51
Khertan_n950Look like only file located m MyDocs are accepted18:51
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