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| DocScrutinizer05 | pa: too bad but afaik you can't "downgrade" from 006 to 001 | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stupid flasher/aegis/whatever considers XXX-006 a 'newer' version of XXX-001 | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 01:46 |
| ieatlint | that also sucked that you can't downgrade | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you could upgrade from PR1.1-006 to PR1.2-001 | 01:46 |
| ieatlint | i was never sure what that was supposed to do for you | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I elaborated on the purpose of this idiocy just 24h ago | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't it in this chan? | 01:47 |
| ieatlint | might've been, i've been busy/away :P | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Sonntag, 21. Oktober 2012] [02:28:20] <DocScrutinizer05> beford: actually they warned that downgrade is *not* possible, when they rolled out beta1.1 or whatever the name of first upgrade | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so only 22h ago | 01:49 |
| rzr | sounds like a challenge :) | 01:49 |
| ieatlint | haha, standard geek reaction... never tell a geek they can't do something | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is pretty foolproof | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to the whole security framework | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...concept | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even Nokians can downgrade | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except that one guru in R&D that manages that crap | 01:52 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it seems like having the dev certs on a device doesn't seem to actually give you more access to things | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that guy probably got fired months ago | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | having R&D cert allows you to really break aegis policies and get something similar to openmode - it does NOT allow to flash random arbitrary images | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's what I gathered | 01:54 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but there's already the ability to get to openmode without the dev certs... it's just a more official way to do it, but the end result seems to be the same | 01:55 |
| tonyoy | hi, where did you got this R&D cert ? | 01:55 |
| ieatlint | you don't | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody got that | 01:55 |
| ieatlint | only internal devices have it, no way to get one | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia handed special N9* devices with those certs installed to some of their employees | 01:55 |
| rzr | i remember a rule : no system is hacker proof | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this rule is untrue, like all rules | 01:56 |
| rzr | how can u be sure that there is no way to workaround this system / | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 'truth' is there's no such thing like "hacker proof" | 01:57 |
| tonyoy | ok, maybe when jolla'outing these kind of certs... | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there IS a way, it's just the question how much effort you need to put in | 01:57 |
| ieatlint | i don't know anything about jolla specifically, but the system will be different enough that the concept doesn't translate over to them | 01:58 |
| rzr | there should be several :_ | 01:58 |
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| tonyoy | seem that major part of jolla's employees are ex-nokia/meego/n9 team | 01:59 |
| ieatlint | sure, but that doesn't mean that they're copying the security system over... or will have the same "lock it down" policies nokia had with harmattan | 02:00 |
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| tonyoy | your'right, they claim it will be more open | 02:07 |
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| tonyoy | what I was hoping is that to gain n9 community, some will leak new bridges | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I like aegis. | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | not the way it's configures though | 02:09 |
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| pa | however, there should be the possibility to disable it, in case one wants.. | 02:20 |
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| ieatlint | i think the argument is that in order to disable it, it must require the phone owner to explicitly understand what they're doing, in order to prevent any nefarious activity | 02:21 |
| ieatlint | and nokia just eliminated the idea entirely... perhaps in part to keep network operators happier | 02:21 |
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| pa | i would say that allowing to do it with some secret tool from command line would make 99% sure that the user knows what he/she is doing | 02:22 |
| ieatlint | as long as i don't write an app that runs said tool, right? | 02:23 |
| pa | well, technically when you run such tool password could be asked | 02:23 |
| pa | or something like that | 02:23 |
| pa | and a decent disclaimer could be printed | 02:24 |
| pa | anyway, does anybody know what firmware is 009 Europe (2) ? | 02:24 |
| pa | i have a middle east firmware on a phone i bought in US | 02:25 |
| pa | maybe i should just leave that | 02:25 |
| pa | hm interesting | 02:29 |
| pa | 006 is smaller than 001 | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | usually it's based on what maps are preinstalled | 02:29 |
| pa | but isnt that on the emmc? | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | oh, yes | 02:30 |
| pa | the main bin is like 200mb smaller | 02:30 |
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| pa | btw are N8 and n950 sensors the same? (lens cant be i guess) | 03:08 |
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| ieatlint | from what i've been told, the n950 as distributed to people does not have the 12mp sensor | 03:25 |
| ieatlint | earlier hardware revisions did (and a few other changes), but when they mass produced them, they did not | 03:25 |
| rzr | pa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1272094# Show your best photos taken with #NokiA !N950Club only (#N9 vs #N950 fight), which is better? | 03:29 |
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| pa | thanks i'll check it out | 03:44 |
| pa | i have another question tho | 03:44 |
| pa | im trying to sync my calendars | 03:45 |
| pa | and now i just got an error "Data storage full. Please free up some space and try again" | 03:45 |
| pa | wft? on gmail? | 03:45 |
| pa | my gmail account is 0% full... | 03:46 |
| virtuald | :> | 03:46 |
| ieatlint | are you using exchange/mfe to sync? | 03:48 |
| pa | caldav | 03:49 |
| pa | and it worked without problems so far | 03:49 |
| pa | let me try a reboot | 03:50 |
| ieatlint | i'd otherwise suggest trying the exchange interface... i've had good luck with for email, contacts and calendar | 03:50 |
| pa | cool, now it totally stopped syncing | 03:54 |
| pa | without error | 03:54 |
| pa | what did i do to this phone? | 03:55 |
| ieatlint | spin it clockwise 3 times with the lock screen showing (but not unlocked) | 03:56 |
| pa | the caldav account setting is also pretty weird | 03:59 |
| pa | i dont even see where to change password | 03:59 |
| pa | right, so it failed coz battery was low.. -.- | 04:03 |
| pa | no comment, nokia | 04:03 |
| pa | ok, in the other caldav calendar instead it fails coz data storage is full | 04:04 |
| pa | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83243 <-- ok this is it | 04:05 |
| pa | tmp too small | 04:06 |
| pa | that's it | 04:06 |
| pa | ieatlint, no, apparently it was some mess on google server side, found some instructions how to reset it server side, now it seems to work | 04:22 |
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| lucido | I have trouble comipiling with the protobuf library, work fine when I compile for desktop, but if I try to compile for harmattan I get: qtcreator error: google/protobuf/stubs/common.h: No such file or directory | 05:18 |
| lucido | Is it beacause the qt SDK is missing the protobuf headers for harmattan? | 05:19 |
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| lucido | I installed libprotobuf-lite on the n9 from itsnotabigtruck's repo but libprotobuf-dev is uninstallable because of a libc6 dependency, can I just download the libprotobuf-dev package extract it and copy it somewhere in the SDK's path, where should I put it? | 05:40 |
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| tschakMAC | has anyone in here made section scrollers that look like the MTF section scrollers in apps like Phone and Mail? | 05:44 |
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| lucido | to answer my own question: I had to extract the armel dev package and add the path to the INCLUDEPATH | 06:08 |
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| lucido | it compiles but the I think this is a linker error: arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lprotobuf | 07:03 |
| lucido | I was missing the -Lpath from LIBS | 07:19 |
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| lucido | I cant create my app on the declarative cache because I cant include #include <MDeclarativeCache> | 08:19 |
| lucido | <lucido> I have CONFIG += qdeclarative-boostable and DEFINES += HARMATTAN_BOOSTER in my .pro | 08:19 |
| lucido | how can I use the booster? | 08:19 |
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| lucido | I extracted the -dev armel package and added its usr/include to the INCLUDEPATH but it didn't change anything | 08:25 |
| lucido | applauncherd-dev | 08:25 |
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| ladoga | has anyone packaged scp sharing plugin for harmattan? (for the default sharing menu) | 09:09 |
| ladoga | something like this http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2012/01/12/command-line-sharing-for-harmattan/ | 09:09 |
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| tomyri | how can I remove file that is owned by nobody:nogroup? | 14:54 |
| Kleggas | tom_: should devel-su have the rights for that? | 14:55 |
| Kleggas | sorry, ment tomyri | 14:56 |
| tomyri | Kleggas: oh, it seems to have | 14:56 |
| tomyri | just tried to cat the file | 14:56 |
| Corsac | tomyri: you don't care about the file permissions, you care about the parent folder permissions | 15:01 |
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| mf2hd | I have similar issua with my n9. i installed some version of cron for testing, but now that package refuses to uninstall because package handler can't remoce /etc/crontab | 15:13 |
| mf2hd | i have tried to check perms for nn times, but no luck | 15:14 |
| mf2hd | have tried about every account that i know of, no beef | 15:14 |
| mf2hd | and because of that issue, there is a broken package in the system and now i can't install, remove or upgrade anything... had this issue once before and the i ended up refirming whole phone | 15:15 |
| mf2hd | so if some1 could help me with this issue, it would be nice =) | 15:16 |
| Arkenoi | why twitter behaves so weird in landscape mode? | 15:20 |
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| phako | Arkenoi: define "weird" | 15:57 |
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| Arkenoi | phako: 1) sometimes it just does not rotate 2) sometimes picture previews get cropped 3) sometimes screen just gets black until i turn it back to portrait | 16:29 |
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| phako | I think it shouldn't work in landscape mode at all | 16:31 |
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| rzr | Sfiet_Konstantin, working on apkenv.deb ? | 17:54 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | rzr: well, not now | 17:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thp don't want it to be widespread | 17:57 |
| rzr | oki | 17:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have it, easy stuff, but we need that thp approves it | 17:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just install / unistall scripts | 17:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | now I'm writing the gui | 17:57 |
| rzr | u know how to push to obs ? | 17:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 17:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I won't, thp's orders | 17:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and obs is kinda busy now isn't it ? | 17:58 |
| rzr | may be | 17:58 |
| rzr | then feel free to submit any package to shared repo , we'll wait thp :) | 17:58 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm submitting to my repo currently, how to send to shared repo ? | 18:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | most of the time I push to apps.formeego | 18:01 |
| rzr | just push to | 18:04 |
| rzr | home:rzr:harmattan | 18:04 |
| rzr | easy | 18:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | easy | 18:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will you get emails about request, or will it be done automatically ? | 18:09 |
| rzr | i need to approve req | 18:11 |
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| Khertan_n950 | Hi all | 18:50 |
| Khertan_n950 | Someone have already use ShareUI in python or with dbus ? | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n950 | Look like only file located m MyDocs are accepted | 18:51 |
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