IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2012-10-21

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DocScrutinizer05mlankhorst: jonni: where would we look for UART testpoints? The receipe for N900 to look under battery obviously doesn't apply well to N901:07
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DocScrutinizer05jonni: mlankhorst: "Production test" FBUS_RX, FBUS_TX, J2083, J2084, J2085(GND)01:23
DocScrutinizer05just one question: *where*01:23
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DocScrutinizer05seems there's a special contraption to plug in instead of / on top of the SIM. There are two rows of TP there01:34
DocScrutinizer05the two TestPoints most to the center or towards the USB are J2083 and J208401:35
DocScrutinizer05both are to SoC-GPIO which would mean they are 1.8V. They are ESD-protected (tranzorb), and have a 1kR series both01:36
DocScrutinizer05J2083 (UART3_RX) is the 'inner' one, J2084 (UART_TX) the 'outer' one01:38
DocScrutinizer05mlankhorst: HTH01:39
DocScrutinizer05ooh, almost forgot: ^^^applies to N901:39
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jonniDocScrutinizer05: you can see them in the schematics, I give you hint: where simcard is located ;)02:29
jonnibeford: officially no, but there is no such thing as secure software.02:31
jonni(and you can also freely downgrade if you have valid rdc in the cal)02:33
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DocScrutinizer05jonni: you missed some ~10 lines of elaboration about exactly that?03:11
DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-21 00:34:40] <DocScrutinizer05> seems there's a special contraption to plug in instead of / on top of the SIM. There are two rows of TP there03:12
DocScrutinizer05etc pp03:12
befordjonni: I see, thanks. I would have thought that Nokia had allowed downgrade since its a developer device03:21
DocScrutinizer05damn, I hoped for finding a N9 fbus adapter from cyclonebox, nitro, $other-flasher. But actually that's not a promising result that google gives me03:25
DocScrutinizer05beford: actually they warned that downgrade is *not* possible, when they rolled out beta1.1 or whatever the name of first upgrade03:28
DocScrutinizer05and they had a rather lame "excuse" why this isn't a complete brainfuck for devels that can't afford to buy a new N950 for each HARM revision they are supposed to test their software against03:29
DocScrutinizer05it's also been the moment where HARM definitely died for me03:30
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befordDocScrutinizer05: yea, I'm not sure what they try to protect by not allowing a downgrade04:03
DocScrutinizer05allegedly they try to protect *us* - bwahahaha! In fact - if anything - they protect the interests of investors who rely on the main purpose of ~aegis04:11
DocScrutinizer05~aegis04:11
infobothttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or  http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif04:11
DocScrutinizer05I.E. "third party software" that has (or deals with) some intelectual property, which they want to protect by all means04:12
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njsfand also cell carrier device lock04:13
DocScrutinizer05the really funny detail in all that: I have to see yet any such third party software for HARM04:13
DocScrutinizer05njsf: nope, that's cell-modem domain and largely unentangled with general firmware downgrade04:14
njsfok04:15
DocScrutinizer05even cellmo firmware uo/downgrades are a well understood process by now, and Nokia knows how to protect the SIMlock etc flags in cmt flash filesystem from any damage possibly done by firmware up- or downgrades04:16
njsfI though that would also serve to have "unlockers" from being able to run04:16
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tschakMACis there a page showing the different harmattan stock icons, e.g. icon-m-content-playlist-inverse ?04:20
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DocScrutinizer05tschakEee: I don't think so04:22
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DocScrutinizer05umm, maybe i'm mistaken, then sorry04:27
tschakMACok.04:27
DocScrutinizer05~seen tschakeee04:27
infobottschakeee <~TSCHAKeee@173.9.2.181-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 302d 5h 9m 23s ago, saying: 'later.'.04:27
tschakMACi was able to look at each one, so it's okay04:27
befordbtw, if I need to add a new icon for a provider is it ok to copy it to usr share themes blanco icons?04:28
Hurrianbeford, yup, that works04:35
befordHurrian: nokia qa wont complain?04:37
Hurrianit's how most apps get their icons in04:37
befordah well, thanks04:37
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, the ridiculous part is that no app stops functioning under openmode04:37
Hurrianheck, even under developer-mode04:38
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SpeedEvilis ...05:39
SpeedEvilnvm05:40
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pawhy cant ssh as user , if i have the phone connected via usb?07:27
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faenilgood morning everyone! o/11:31
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lina100hey all checkout this fun popular cam chat www.chatville.com14:15
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jonnipa: by default user doesnt have passwd set, thats why ssh as user doesnt work :)14:21
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pajonni, i set it , and over wifi it works15:02
pabut over usb it seemingly does not let me login as user15:02
pai mean, using 192.168.2.idontrememberlast15:02
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trxwhats the default file system on n9 ~/ ?16:42
trxFAT32?16:42
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marcellus_hi. can maemo repositories from N900 be used for MeeGo?17:20
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Kleggasmarcellus_: "can" and "can", two different things. appsformeego adds its own repos file, you could probably add new repositories also then to your phone. However, the versions on the packages differs, would you really want to start messing with that?17:30
Kleggasmarcellus_: I installed few things by manually downloading them from the maemo repos, but some wanted different older versions of libraries than I had on the phone. kinda ignored them. adding the repos to the phone, well....17:31
marcellus_I think I better respect the lines: "only do this if you know what you are doing". thanks for advice17:33
Kleggasmarcellus_: np :)17:33
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trograinHi all. Check out the new Meego app on n9-apps.com called Mobile Trade Network17:49
trograinit seems like  cool app :)17:49
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jesuschrist_hello18:11
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jonnitrx: ext418:40
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jesuschrist_sup jonni18:50
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Lava_CroftOn the N900, one could set a gconf key to stop the device from looking for software updates (at all, or make it wait longer inbetween checking)19:44
Lava_Croftis this possible on the n9?19:44
padoes anyone remember the page that explained the firm19:44
pafirmware codes and what they are?19:44
palike 001 002... etc19:44
Lava_Croftpa: you need a specific version?19:45
Lava_Croftsince iirc, mostly you should just want/get 00119:45
pai have a phone with 00619:45
paand i dont know what it is19:45
Lava_Crofti think it might be MEA19:47
Lava_Croftmiddle east19:47
Lava_Croftnavifirm says the firmware with '00619:48
Lava_Croft' is MEA19:48
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pai see..19:56
pawhat the next best think i can put on it?19:57
pai mean, it's PR1.2 and i would like to leave PR1.2 for now+19:57
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ZogG_laptophi20:20
rzris there a place for harmy in hildon f ?20:20
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rZrbbl20:21
ZogG_laptopharmy?20:21
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: PR1.4 is out :P20:44
valdur55ZogG_laptop, Really?20:45
ZogG_laptopnope20:46
ZogG_laptopi'm trying to lure him back here :P20:46
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valdur55irw20:47
ZogG_laptopirw?20:48
ZogG_laptop!irw20:49
ZogG_laptop!ping20:49
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ZogG_laptophttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuC6q9kbryw&feature=player_embedded - amazing thing21:11
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paZogG_laptop, you kidding, right?23:24
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ladogatrx: ~ is ext4 ~/MyDocs is vfat23:34
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ToAruShiroiNekoI am trying to figure out why ovi maps application doesnt want to properly work23:52
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ToAruShiroiNekoit is telling me to connect to a wi-fi network even when I am connected23:52
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