IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-08-06

djszapi___you do not understand the difference between current and old?00:00
merlin1991I'm trying to build qt4-x11 from the harm sources in scratchbox but it's stuck at doing something with qdoc3 (qemu goes mad), anybody ever managed todo that?00:01
djszapi___merlin1991: why do you need to build qt from source?00:02
paok maybe yes00:02
djszapi___different config?00:02
pabut then i need a stack of properties00:02
djszapi___test a pach that can be upstreamed?00:02
djszapi___pa: ofc you do not..00:02
merlin1991djszapi___: because I need pr1.2 libmeegotouch which in turn needs pr 1.2 qt which again isn't aviable for scratchbox00:03
paif i push the pages, then i also have to push their current status00:03
djszapi___nobody backed up either?00:03
djszapi___pa: no00:03
djszapi___you said, you had two pages00:04
pawell ok00:04
panow i have two00:04
pawhat if i would have three00:04
djszapi___then you will design differently.00:04
djszapi___do not make premature optimization00:04
pawell in my case i might have three00:04
paeven tho i dont have to push the status every time00:04
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djszapi___the point is not really how many pages are...00:05
djszapi___the point is that how big the queued stack can be ...00:05
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djszapi___but even with a big stack, it is super simple to do with a js array00:07
djszapi___push and pop00:07
heymaster-laptophow to fit text in QueryDialog ?00:07
djszapi___could you please rephrase that question ?00:07
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: how word wrap text in QML QueryDialog ?00:08
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: << example .. i fingerprint is to lengthy to fit in dialog00:09
djszapi___I do not think you can with the stock component00:11
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: can i use HTML ?00:12
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paah now i see why MohammadAG  was complaining about coderus00:12
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: yes i can insert "<br" :)00:13
heymaster-laptopeven "<hr>" :)00:13
djszapi___that is a different thing00:14
djszapi___than text wrapping feature00:14
djszapi___as in property00:14
djszapi___your best bet is the Style property in QueryDialog00:14
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: ok thank you00:15
heymaster-laptopdon't see it00:16
djszapi___because it is undocumented00:16
djszapi___look at the source ...00:16
heymaster-laptopcool :)00:16
heymaster-laptopprive APIs is cool :)00:16
djszapi___no, it is not private00:16
djszapi___it is totally public00:16
heymaster-laptopok :)00:17
djszapi___but even that, Style does not seem to be able to change the text wrapping00:17
djszapi___you can always build your own dialog00:18
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: yes. I will use <br>00:18
djszapi___qml dialog00:18
djszapi___not rich-text based dialog00:18
djszapi___that is a hack IMO00:19
djszapi___but perhaps even better to patch the stock version, and ask for a merge request or so00:19
djszapi___and use the pached version.00:19
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heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: so what to do ?00:19
djszapi___so it can be useful for everybody in the future, not fully hacked around. =)00:19
djszapi___patch the code?00:20
Venemo~seen wazd00:20
djszapi___I wanted to text wrapping patch long ago00:20
djszapi___but I was busy with other patches00:20
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: i'm beginner, not hacker00:21
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djszapi___heymaster-laptop: one does not need to be a hard core hacker to add one property, but go for the hackish way, if you feel more comfortable with that.00:26
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djszapi___though br will not work properly.00:29
djszapi___for internationalized and localized strings, so it is a kinda uncool hackaround.00:29
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heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: yes. Actually i writing app for contest. still don't have anything to show. so don't have time to add new features to core qml :)00:34
djszapi___what contest?00:35
heymaster-laptopsummer contest00:35
djszapi___for getting a Harmattan device?00:36
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: yes00:36
* djszapi___ should get one as well00:38
djszapi___I presume it is too late to apply for such a stuff?00:38
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: why not ?00:39
heymaster-laptopcontest ends September 1000:39
djszapi___right. well, I do not have any brilliant ideas. :-)00:40
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: why you need ? if you already own harmattan device ? :)00:41
djszapi___because it is broken00:41
heymaster-laptopech :/00:41
djszapi___the glass is pretty scratched.00:41
heymaster-laptopi don't think it's problem :)00:42
djszapi___well, it is almost a year old device.00:42
djszapi___well, you can serve me a new one then, and I can send it to you. :)00:42
djszapi___if it is "not a problem".00:42
heymaster-laptophaha :) you joking .."almost a year old" :)00:42
djszapi___no, I do not.00:42
djszapi___it is almost a year old.00:43
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: a year is short period of time00:45
djszapi___you are new in the mobile industry, aren't you00:45
paheymaster-laptop, what are you making? :)00:46
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: you own device. it's not big problem to have that device for one year. bigger problem don't own that device.00:47
heymaster-laptoppa: app. but don't have anything to show00:47
djszapi___I heavily disagree00:47
djszapi___when you cannot see certain spots of the phone, that is a HUGE problem on a smart phone00:48
djszapi___total broken user experience for most of the applications, and so forth.00:48
pawell, but i hope you know what kind of app you are going to make :)00:48
heymaster-laptopdjszapi___: ok00:48
padjszapi___, well doing better than mine, that has been stolen..00:48
heymaster-laptoppa: it's for servers monitoring00:49
heymaster-laptopvery tiny app00:49
heymaster-laptoppa: i will show you if i will have something working00:50
djszapi___pa: my reference is obviously not stolen phones00:50
pawould be cool.. i also hoped to roll out mine today00:50
pabut it looks its not gonna happen00:50
pai realized i need to make it a little fancier so that non-nerds will appreciate it :)00:51
pafor me it+s already perfect :p00:51
heymaster-laptoppa: big number of participants .. stiff competition00:51
pabig number?00:52
paare there manyhcompeting?00:52
pacool :)00:53
pawell, do your best, in the worst case you can always sell it00:53
paand probably get enough money to buy a device :)00:53
heymaster-laptopsell that ? :)00:53
heymaster-laptopyou need to win it at first :)00:54
pai heared you can sell the app on the store, and still participate00:55
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djszapi___I sold one device I won00:56
djszapi___to a guy in this channel.00:57
djszapi___for 300 EUR back then iirc.00:57
heymaster-laptopi don't think it's possible to earn so much money in app store to buy device00:57
paif you sell for 1 eur (minimum)00:58
pamaybe you find 300 people needing ur app00:58
paplus, N9s are now sold pretty cheap00:58
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heymaster-laptoppa: how much time you coded your app ? Any screenshots ?01:03
pai have some screens but i havent had time to make the page yet01:03
heymaster-laptoppa: what uou app doing ?01:04
paim working on it for about a week, all in all01:04
javispedroI am _again_ being forced to dissasemble one of the GPL components in the PR1.3 image because the source is nowhere to be found :rolleyes:01:04
pai mean, its more, but mostly on spare time01:04
paso if you count, itsabout a week01:04
javispedroand yes, I asked for the DVDs, but they were on holiday, or sth...01:05
pait's an (i like to believe) improvement of sportstracker :)01:05
merlin1991javispedro: any idea when you'll get dvds?01:05
javispedromerlin1991: no, seemingly they are on vacatiosn01:06
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merlin1991javispedro: btw the dvds are not that helpfull after all, I'm still stuck trying to compile qt4 from the dvd pr1.2 sources :/01:06
djszapi___yes, jun-aug is pretty much vacation time in Finland01:06
djszapi___that is why Finns got crazy when Elop wanted to decrease the one month holiday time01:06
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heymaster-laptoppa: so it's gps app for training ? :)01:07
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, time for a lawsuit. :P01:07
paand hrm01:07
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heymaster-laptoppa: so good luck :)01:08
payou too!01:09
javispedroGeneralAntilles: someone will probably do it sooner or later, specially as they get more attached to MS01:09
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you back STRATA?01:10
javispedroJust hoping I get the DVDs before postal service on this country gets ruined by gov :)01:10
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: nope, happy with the current design01:11
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I rather prefer the current design, but I want them to make more watches.01:11
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javispedrogood point :)01:12
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javispedroI'm surprised that despite the fact that MW has already shipped virtually the same product and has honest specs get less funding than crazy-already-delayed-twice pebble.01:13
GeneralAntillesIt must be the e-ink BS.01:13
GeneralAntillesI'm still floored by people talking about MetaWatch like they've never shipped a watch.01:14
djszapi___they did partially.01:14
javispedroI predicted on the meego forums that pebble won't ship a watch until the end of the year. So far I'm a few months nearer my prediction :)01:14
djszapi___some folks got one (unfortunately I missed the event) at the metawatch meetup.01:14
javispedrodjszapi___: we know, both GeneralAntilles and I have one too :)01:15
padjszapi___, what hr belt do you have?01:15
GeneralAntillesdjszapi___, I've had a MetaWatch since last September.01:15
djszapi___what is "hr belt" ?01:15
GeneralAntilles(javispedro got his first)01:15
GeneralAntilles(that asshole)01:15
djszapi___so it is not vaporware01:15
djszapi___but yeah, that was it.01:15
GeneralAntilles(at least it gave him time to put sowatch together, though. :D)01:16
GeneralAntillesIn fact, STRATA is MetaWatch v3.01:16
javispedroGeneralAntilles: apart from larger battery, more RAM, "different" charging clip, do you remember any other difference?01:17
javispedroand the colors ofc :)01:17
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, nope.01:17
padjszapi___, heart rate belt01:17
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you ever interrogate @billg?01:17
paor.. werent you wanting edomondo for n9?01:17
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you see the new color?01:17
javispedroGeneralAntilles: @billg didn't answer, but dave did01:17
javispedrohe didn't mention about the charging clip though. I learnt that later. That puts an end to my plans to get a new charging clip :)01:18
GeneralAntillesI switched my order from blue. :<01:18
javispedromeh, now I need to hack on the firmware before aug20th to see if the extra RAM will be useful or not01:19
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, just back the hacker watch with the JTAG01:20
GeneralAntillesMAN UP01:20
javispedrowe'll see01:21
GeneralAntillesWith a MetaWatch and a Jolla all I need is a Holga and I'll be the ultimate gadget hipster.01:21
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, you keep companies who do things you like doing things you like by giving them money to do things you like. :P01:21
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: but I already did :)01:23
javispedro(also, slightly overbudget this year, with MBAir et all :( )01:24
GeneralAntillesYeah, yeah. :P01:24
GeneralAntillesHow's the Air?01:24
GeneralAntillesDid you install Quicksilver yet?01:24
djszapi___oh, I almost forgot the embedded stuff in Barcelona01:24
GeneralAntilles(TextExpander is super-useful, too)01:24
javispedroGeneralAntilles: lil machine is actually fast, I'm surprised by the raw performance of the UltraLowVoltage chips01:25
GeneralAntilles(Also: PathFinder and Yojimbo)01:25
GeneralAntillesYeah, they're rather impressive.01:25
javispedro... gets quite hot though, but that seems to be the case with all apple machines...01:26
javispedroand it already has a few scratches :(01:26
javispedrotherefore, I dislike aluminum :P01:27
pait's osX that is actually pretty fast01:29
pai remember from the powerpc times01:29
pait used to crush linux01:29
Sazpaimon_well that was fun01:35
Sazpaimon_tried to get nitdroid to run in a chroot for shits and giggles01:35
Sazpaimon_didn't work, it couldnt load my framebuffer and zygote kept crashing because it capset was giving permission denied01:36
Sazpaimon_cba to look into it more01:36
javispedroyou need the android kernel, you know01:37
Sazpaimon_i know01:37
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Sazpaimon_e-yes's nitdroid kernel runs on both harmattan and android you know01:37
Sazpaimon_so I guess in theory it could work01:39
Sazpaimon_but I dont know enough about android's startup process to be able to fix it01:40
Sazpaimon_I couldn't even find where this zygote process was located01:40
HurrianSazpaimon_, you'd need to setup all the weird crap Android does01:42
Hurrianit doesn't run too well in a chroot01:42
Sazpaimon_yeah I noticed01:43
Sazpaimon_like I said I don't know enough or care to know enough about android to bother01:44
Sazpaimon_something tells me that it'd be easier to actually run harmattan from a chroot within android01:44
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djszapi___gnight to all01:51
javispedrognite djszapi___01:51
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heymaster-laptophow to get object from a different QML file ?02:33
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pathat+s also what i was wondering02:48
pai was trying something like otherpage.someflicker.somebutton.text02:48
pabut it says otherpage.someflicker  [undefined] isn not an object02:49
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heymaster-laptoppa: thanks03:06
heymaster-laptopdid that thing in different way03:06
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pathis way worked for me03:29
heymaste_night :)03:29
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Sazpaimon_has anyone gotten the PR1.3 sources dvd yet?04:32
GeneralAntillesSazpaimon_, don't believe so.04:37
GeneralAntillesjavispedro said he's been chasing them down, but as the whole goddamn country goes on vacation in the summer. . . .04:37
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Sazpaimon_GeneralAntilles, well they got back to me last week05:42
Sazpaimon_said they sent my copy05:42
Sazpaimon_I assume javispedro got the same thing05:43
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susundbergHey, i am having troubles with my calendar -- i am using google calendar with CalDav but strangly it stopped to sync. I removed + re-added the account and now i have double entries of those calenders, and when i try to 'managa calendars' it app crashes09:18
susundbergany ideas / manual edit tips?09:18
susundbergother thing that seems not working is the 'gallery' app -- it doesnt show old photos but only the latests taken with camera after reboot09:19
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djszapi_Venemo_N9: sup09:53
Venemo_N9heading for work09:54
Venemo_N9we have a planning meeting today09:54
Venemo_N9djszapi_, how are you?09:55
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TheBootrooi must get number from incoming and outgoing calls on a Nokia N9, using Qt, how should i do ?11:00
TheBootrooi know there are Telepathy DBus api, Qt Cellular maemo api, and other things but i don't which one is the simpler for my use, and i hardly find documentation/examples/how to11:00
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dm8tbrTheBootroo: I know sowatch is accessing this in real-time, so it is certainly possible11:06
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djszapi_sup sir dr khertan !12:20
khertandr ... hum a bit too much :)12:22
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khertanSomeone know if there is a way to read the notification of an n9 ?13:26
khertani would like to be able to display harmattan notification on a desktop computer13:26
khertanmaybe i should look at the meta watch things13:29
khertanthey should have done that13:29
dm8tbrkhertan: look at sowatch13:29
dm8tbralso I'd use XMPP as the transport, there are desktop clients for XMPP based notifications13:30
dm8tbrfor linux I use tavu13:30
khertanhum interesting13:30
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merlin1991anybody know about libthai and libdatrie? Those  2 are runtime dependencies of qt4, but I can't find any source anywhere, also the description on device is rather funky with the default debhelper <insert a 60 char description here> text14:35
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Hurrianlibthai iirc is thai language support library, I guess you can grab whatever your distro provides14:40
susundbergrelated to question of mine earlier: i got it done with 'remove all calendar accounts ' + mv .calendar .calendar_old and re-add the accounts + sync14:55
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Lava_Croftdamn you N9 battery life :<15:08
susundbergI use powesave mode all day long ..15:15
susundbergdevice idle is still eating my battery ..15:15
Arkenoisame for me15:15
Arkenoipower management is total disaster15:15
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Lava_Crofti stream radio over 2g all day15:17
Lava_Croftnot so sure if that will work well with powersave15:17
Lava_Croftmaybe i should just cut up my N9 shell15:18
Lava_Croftand make my own battery door15:18
Lava_Croftbut it sounds as a bad thing to do15:18
Lava_Croftshell is so pretty15:18
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ZogG_laptopniwakame|away: ping15:25
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susundbergLava_Croft: huh, just attach external USB battery ?15:52
Lava_Croftsusundberg: those are hardly a solution15:53
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susundbergwell to me it sounds better than cutting up N9 shell  ..15:55
Lava_Croftexternal usb batteries only supply a little bit of power15:56
Lava_Croftlike the Duracell one orso15:56
Lava_Croftand they are a bit bigger than a usual phone battery15:56
Lava_Croftand quite a bit more expensive15:56
Lava_Croftbut yes, its probably the best, non-intrusive solution15:56
* djszapi__ has dejavu15:57
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: stop flooding all channels i'm on :P15:57
Lava_Croft /ignore Lava_Croft -channels #1 #2 #415:58
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: i didn't say i don't want to talk to you and don't want to read you15:59
susundbergLava_Croft: well i guess you can craft powerpack of wanted size from wanted brand of cellphone batteries to provide usb-power supply power ..16:01
susundbergi ended up using 4xAA battery back for extra power (with loadable batteries)16:02
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ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: you can make a wheel with hammsters providing power =)16:02
Lava_Crofti thought about using bicycle dynamo16:03
Lava_Croftthat will totally work16:03
susundbergi have also seen solar-panel chargers but those are kind of joke with 12h loading time ..16:03
Lava_Crofti could also just use a transformer and hook it up to a streetlight orso16:03
Lava_Croftbut these arent the 90s anymore16:03
Lava_Croftthese days cops arrest you for that16:03
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djszapi__cops is overrated16:07
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Lava_Croftthey used to be, in NL16:12
Lava_Croftbut these days they are getting a bit tougher16:12
Lava_Croftprobably 30 years of The Police Is Your Friend indoctrination, people just dont respect the cops anymore16:12
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pathey also tend to just sit and do nothing, too often being "too busy for this"16:28
pahow do i increase the shell history, in busybox' ash?16:31
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jonnipr1.3 sourcecode dvd arrived to me today :)16:40
Corsacsame here16:43
Corsacwell, I'm not at home16:43
Corsacbut the dvd is16:43
djszapi__perhaps, it is a wrong dvd then with manga on it.16:44
Corsacyou think Nokia would send me dvds with tentacles?16:44
djszapi__or they have perhaps sent the Windows source code :-)16:45
CorsacI'd still be interested16:46
ZogG_laptopjonni: can you upload somewhere?16:52
CorsacZogG_laptop: I'll do it tonight on
Corsac(if I don't forget, please remind me as i'm leaving tomorrow)16:56
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jonniit was quite funny to see that 1.3 has trunckated filenames to 8.3 chars, someone skills needed to fail like that :)17:10
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djszapi__unsure what you mean17:11
wirwehey guys, my N9 was lying in river about a half day. some motorola people tried to dry and clean it now and when they tried to turn it on, there was a nokia logo on the screen but then nothing happened. sounds for me as if there is still a little chance to make it work again. now it doesn't do anything if i try to charge it or power it on. also my computer doesn't recognize it when plugging it in via usb. but i'm so addicted to it, i don't want17:12
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jonnisource dir has like  QT4_MESS.TGZ files :)17:12
pais it coz now nokia needs to retain DOS compatibility for windows phone? <g><17:16
djszapi__wirwe: your message got truncated17:16
wirweoh it was too long?17:17
djszapi__jonni: so what exactly is the problem?17:17
wirwethe problem is that it was completey wet17:17
wirwenow it seems to be dry but doesn't do anything17:18
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wirweand i am searching for ideas to make it work again17:18
djszapi__well, if it begins booting after charging, that is something...17:18
jonnidjszapi__:  there is no problem really, but in pr1.2 dvd it had full names like qt4-messagingframework_2012W09-0maemo4+0m8.tar.gz, and now pr1.3 dvd has max 8.3 characters per file :), just a cosmetic thing17:19
wirweno it doesn't, it did on friday, but now curiously not17:19
wirwemaybe the accu17:19
pajonni, sorry to bug you.. do you by chance know anything about this?
wirwethe rest of my message was:  i don't want to give it up. i guess if one of the hardware components doesn't work, it17:20
wirwe               doesn't boot or maybe the accu is damaged. does someone has an idea what to do?17:20
jonnipa: dont know anything about that. last time when i tested maps qml api's offline thingie worked just fine, but Im not 100% sure about that.17:21
jonnipa: afaik there is example in sdk or in device.17:21
payes theres one example, but it doesnt work offline17:21
paat least not on my phone17:21
djszapi__jonni: well, I do not understand your saying then, if there is no problem. :17:24
jonnisometimes I just comment on funny observations, not everything needs to be a problem :)17:24
djszapi__well, you said to "to fail like that".17:25
phakowell it's 201217:25
djszapi__you insulted them and implied that it is a problem17:25
djszapi__meanwhile, there are really no problems. :-)17:25
djszapi__it is just the matter of style.17:25
phakoit's like people who still fail to get UTF-8 properly17:25
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ZogG_laptopphako: i think you shouldn't set it or do anything with it, it should just be there by default =)17:34
PaulePanterRegarding wirwe’s question, is there a way to know if something is going on during startup before any lights light up?17:40
PaulePanterOr is the only possibility, if there is no power light, that it is broken?17:41
ZogG_laptopwhat lights17:41
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: The LED(?) light on the bottom left?17:41
ZogG_laptopit is used only when powering on or charging in LPM on pr1.417:42
jonniyou can turn on developer mode, that way it blinks the camera led on activity. And ofcourse serial console is very helpfull on debugging (but unfortunately that hardware is not avail to normal end users).17:43
PaulePanterThat would have been my next question, if there is some kind of serial console.17:44
ZogG_laptopyou can check it wiht led not app17:44
PaulePanterThe USB port cannot be used to get debugging messages (from uboot(?))?17:44
ZogG_laptopbut u need inception17:44
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: Sorry, I did not get the last two sentences.17:45
jonniPaulePanter: your out of luck if your normal end user. If you happen to know someone inside nokia or nokia care, they have better tools to access serial console.17:45
PaulePanterToo bad.17:46
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: you want to check LED?17:48
ZogG_laptopyou can use Led notification via system-ui17:48
ZogG_laptopbut it requires inception17:48
ZogG_laptopcheck MohammadAG's thread named unrestricted-system-ui17:48
ZogG_laptopon TMO17:48
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PaulePanterZogG_laptop: I think, wirwe wants to check if the N9 works at all after drying it since it was lying in a dirty water beforehand.17:52
ZogG_laptopdidn't get it17:52
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Sazpaimon_[10:19] <jonni> djszapi__:  there is no problem really, but in pr1.2 dvd it had full names like qt4-messagingframework_2012W09-0maemo4+0m8.tar.gz, and now pr1.3 dvd has max 8.3 characters per file :), just a cosmetic thing18:17
Sazpaimon_that'd make it difficult for anyone making a repository from those sources18:17
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danielcbitHi everybody. Does some one know If I can create a NAP with wifi ad-hoc using qnetworkconfiguration?18:20
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djszapi_Sazpaimon_: why?18:50
djszapi_also, why would anyone on the earth would like to make a repository out of those sources when there already working repositories out ther ?!?18:50
djszapi_that would be utterly stupid.18:52
jonnifor making signed PR1.3 repo.18:52
djszapi_why ?!?18:53
jonnias 3rd parties dont have access to signed internal  repo18:53
djszapi_I *really* do not see what gain would that have with reasonable effort18:53
RST38hhe has no understanding that people outside Nokia (where he worked) are in different situation than himself18:53
djszapi_so no artificial theoritical problems, but really useful working practice.18:54
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djszapi__"not to mention, ofc it is possible to make a repository out of that, but this is really out of the practice anyway, so I fail to see the problem." -> not sure if this got in.19:01
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padoes anybody here own a bluetooth HR belt that is not Polar?19:22
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macmaNhey guys, how do i get info on harmattan how much the battery has lost its original capacity20:18
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thpmacmaN: you could probably look in sysfs for its current capacity?20:21
macmaNhmmm, gonna go poke around sysfs, indeed20:22
thpmacmaN: the other place i'd look for if you can't find anything in sysfs is QmBattery:
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djszapi_sysfs should be properly documented for power supply / batter in the Documenation folder of the Linux tree.20:27
macmaNwell my laptop has /sys/class/power_supply/BAT120:28
macmaNn9 really doesnt20:28
macmaNfind -name charge_full == fail20:29
djszapi_can be under proc as well20:29
macmaNmy google-fu, sys-fu and proc-fu are all failing to find the right place20:33
djszapi_read the kernel documentation then20:35
djszapi_or check what the high-level interface does underneath.20:37
macmaNwent through it. it doesnt seem like the device driver follows a very standard approach20:40
macmaNexposing this info20:40
djszapi_well, the high-level layer gets this information somehow...20:41
macmaNneed food before further research activity20:42
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djszapi_yeah, I have also just taken some. :)20:50
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merlin1991apt-get install -d libthai --reinstall --> Reinstallation of libthai is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.22:00
x29aout of space? offline? wrong permissions?22:02
merlin1991online, space is there, running as root22:02
merlin1991also it's a runtime dependency of libqt4 which I cannot find ANYWHERE22:03
merlin1991well sure there are the libthai files on the device, but the .deb or the source of it is MIA22:03
* merlin1991 smells GPL VIOLATIONS22:04
merlin1991djszapi__: because there is a libthai on the net (which is GPL) which happens to have the same version as the package in harmattan, and the libthai sources are not in any of the harmattan dvds I could get a hold of22:06
djszapi__ask for the source22:06
merlin1991I will though that's going to take some time :/22:07
merlin1991btw it's exactly the same thing with libdatrie22:07
merlin1991and this is the dpkg status about libthai: noticve the <insert $something here> texts22:08
djszapi__so ask for the source of libdatrie22:08
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djszapi__can you please put this onto the wikipage?22:34
Corsacwhich one?22:34
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djszapi__essentially any that can be approached from the main page.22:35
djszapi__or since it is just an url, even somewhere on the landing page.22:36
djszapi__provided of course, it is gonna remain there.22:36
CorsacI can't really guarantee the stability, it's on my home server so there can be outages22:39
Corsacand I can move the data around22:39
CorsacI can keep the data there, but the url might not be that stable (although I didn't change it since pr1.0 I think)22:40
Corsacat the very least if I move it I can provide a redirect22:40
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Corsacrah, fenix really pisses me off22:50
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Corsachmhm, is there a nice world clock for n9?23:07
ZogG_laptopCorsac: you mean app showing time?23:12
ZogG_laptopok brb23:12
Corsacin different timezones, yeah23:12
njsfYes WorldClock is nice :)23:13
njsfthe free one from the Ovi story by Nokia itself23:15
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Venemodid you guys know it's the birthday of MohammadAG today? :)23:16
VenemoMohammadAG: happy birthday! :)23:16
merlin1991Corsac: did you get a dvd?23:20
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alteregoWhat daemon provides /org/maemo/Playback/Manager ?23:41
Corsacmerlin1991: yes23:41
merlin1991Corsac: do you have a complete iso / image of the dvd on your webhost aswell?23:42
CorsacI could do it but I have no time right now, and won't  have it before 3 weeks23:43
ZogG_laptopVenemo: really?23:44
ZogG_laptopand i talked to him and didn't say anything23:44
VenemoZogG_laptop: according to his facebook profile anyway23:44
ZogG_laptoptoday is as 6th or 7th?23:44
ZogG_laptopVenemo: i don't have you or MohammadAG there23:44
Venemobut he may have lied on facebook. who knows?23:45
VenemoZogG_laptop: feel free to add me :)23:45
ZogG_laptoptimur right?23:45
Venemo :P23:45
merlin1991Corsac: well, if you find the time, I'd be interested in such an image23:46
ZogG_laptopVenemo: btw link me your speech23:46
ZogG_laptopfrom summit23:46
VenemoZogG_laptop: I'm not sure if it's uploaded yet23:47
Corsacmerlin1991: I will, in 3 weeks (if you remind me)23:47
ZogG_laptopVenemo: upload and link me :P23:47
VenemoI don't have the full talk.23:47
ZogG_laptopVenemo: i don't see mohammad in your friends or he uses fake name?23:48
Venemobut it's about an ECMS, not about mobile dev. not sure if that's interesting for you23:48
VenemoZogG_laptop: look more closely23:48
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Khertan_n950thp, ping23:49
ZogG_laptopVenemo: entered you friends and made search for his name, how closer it can be? =)23:50
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