IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-05-16

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djszapibeford: ping00:08
befordsorry I had to leave yesterday. work meeting00:12
befordlet me bring the OS X machine00:12
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djszapiMohammadAG: do you still need the widgetgallery built in scratchbox ?01:38
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MohammadAGdjszapi: If you can, yeah, please01:43
djszapiwhy is this needed btw ?01:44
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MohammadAGI need to look at the gallery from which I'm taking some hints01:46
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djszapiisn't there a ready-made package for that ?01:47
djszapiyou can install from there.01:50
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MohammadAGOh! Thanks01:56
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Sazpaimonokay so how does USB networking work on the N9 so I can forward my WAN connection08:21
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denismhi, does anybody know - is it possible to check at Qt .pro file - is it currently compiled for x86 or for ARM? (for Harmattan scratchbox)10:03
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jonnidenism: pro file is never compiled ;) do you mean checking if some binary is x86 or arm?10:11
tommadenism, $ file <binary>10:14
denismjonni: yes, I need to know is it x86 or when .pro is handled by qmake. seems isEqual(QT_ARCH, armv6) works properly.10:15
tommaexept harmattan uses armv710:16
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denismtomma: scratchbox' qmake QT_ARCH reports armv6  (by message("QT_ARCH: $$QT_ARCH"))10:17
tommaok nevermind then =)10:17
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Jeffrey04am i supposed to emit a signal once i changed 'allow background connections' toggle programmatically?11:43
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ZogGsup pals15:12
djszapiZogG: TEST! :D15:13
ZogGdjszapi, had to go now =(15:13
ZogGsend me file15:13
ZogGwhat have you changed?15:13
djszapiZogG: it is now a different application15:13
djszapiQChuckNorris :D15:13
ZogGdjszapi lol15:14
ZogGdoes it has russian? or i need to check an app itself15:14
ZogGdjszapi, if you want me to test this is time to send file, s i'm gonna be gone in few minutes for few hours and than i would need to make HW in programming =\15:16
djszapiZogG: you have tested the Russian last time xD15:17
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Elleorzr: <-- after a lot of hacking I managed to make it playable :)15:24
rzrask me to rebuilt it when you think it worth it15:25
Elleoat the moment it's not really built in a proper debian friendly way15:26
Elleoas I'm sorting out a workflow that'll work for people getting stuff in to the ovi store15:26
Elleowhich means the packages end up having to contain all the external libs15:26
rzrthe apple way :(15:27
Elleoyeah :/15:27
Elleoit's a shame that both ovi and apps for meego don't have any way of handling extra dependencies properly yet15:27
rzrbut this is not a reason to a proper version of it isnt it15:28
ZogGrzr, djszapi i may need to help to build my app as well15:28
rzrZogG, which one ?15:28
ElleoI might sort out a proper build at some point15:28
ZogGrzr, imgrup15:28
ZogGrzr, haven't touch it for a while15:28
Elleobut I don't think it'll work with the default debian ogre packaging, as you have to enable the opengles stuff manually at the moment15:28
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rzrElleo, I will sort this out later15:29
ZogGi built it with qtcreator, but as i added plugin it not works the proper way and i want it on OBS so i can put it on appsformeego and OVI15:29
rzrnow I am fighting w/ qml to support older version15:29
Elleoheh, no worries15:30
rzrZogG, 1st is try to upload to obs15:30
ZogGrzr, wouldn't compile and it got messy15:30
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rzrZogG, how comes ?15:31
ZogGrzr, i would talk to you as we both would have time, as now i need to go =(15:31
rzrZogG, u can try to build it using sb15:31
rzrZogG, no need to hurry . we'll do that on time15:31
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ZogGrzr, i'll try to add some feaures and fix old ones before and i'll talk to you, it may take time, just wanted to know if you would like to help latter15:33
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rzrbtw i have more time this week than upcoming ones15:37
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ZogGrzr i do not have too much time this week =(15:39
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ZogGrzr, ok, thanks. i'll catch up with you here or on the forum.15:41
ZogGnow going to shower and volunteering for help for holocaust victims =)15:41
rzrare both action related ?15:42
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GentooXativahi :)15:59
tgalalGentooXativa: welcome back :)16:08
GentooXativathanks mate :D16:08
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Elleourgh, I can't seem to post anything with links in on tmo anymore without it going into the blackhole of moderation :/16:25
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Morpogu need more than 5 posts16:42
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ElleoI wonder why some of my other posts with links in got through okay then :/16:52
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ElleoI guess I'll just have to find some inane things to say ;)16:52
arceanerr, wrong window :)16:53
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DocScrutinizerElleo: tmo usually isn't averse against links17:10
DocScrutinizermoderation usually isn't a blackhole either17:11
DocScrutinizerif you can't post somewhere, you usually should receive according msg when you try17:12
DocScrutinizerother posts show up un thread until they get *removed* by a mod17:12
ElleoDocScrutinizer: when I post I get a message saying its gone into moderation, and I've never had anything leave moderation before17:13
DocScrutinizerI haven't seen or heard of user-specific thread-specific  contains-URL-specific bans17:13
ElleoI waited a few weeks on a couple of announcements in moderation in the past, before giving up and reposting them (at which point they went through automatically)17:13
DocScrutinizerthat's unusual. maybe the thread got moderated now, or you aren't registered17:14
Elleoit got sent to moderation automatically when I posted it, rather than being banned by a moderator17:14
Elleoits just the moderator never seems to check the threads in that queue17:15
Elleoand I'm registered, I just have a pretty low post count17:15
Elleobut most of the things I post are software announcements (containing links)17:15
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Elleoso I'll try getting my post count up a bit by finding stuff to comment on and try again in a few days17:16
itsnotabigtruckElleo: afaik moderation *is* a blackhole on tmo17:20
itsnotabigtruckthat is, moderation as in post approval17:20
itsnotabigtruckand a lot of vbulletin forums mark early posts with links as spam17:20
itsnotabigtruckthough i think my first post had links and it wasn't flagged...17:21
Elleoyeah, I'm not sure what the exact trigger is, since some of my posts with links have gone through okay17:21
itsnotabigtruckmaybe pm reggie?17:21
Elleobut no matter how I try to format this one and with as few links as possible it doesn't go through17:21
itsnotabigtrucki think qole hates pms and doesn't read them (which is kind of remiss for a forum mod)17:21
itsnotabigtruckand the others don't seem to, you know, exist17:22
Elleowell, I'll try again in a few days and if its still not accepting it I'll see about pinging folks17:22
itsnotabigtruckjust do it now17:22
Elleowell I prefer not to pester people directly unless I absolutely have to17:23
itsnotabigtrucki'd bet the entire problem is that no one looks at the spam queue because emptying the spam queue is boring and easy to forget17:23
itsnotabigtruckand hidden away somewhere17:23
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DocScrutinizersure, moderation is a blackhole, as mods usually don't moderate at all17:37
DocScrutinizerElleo: if nothing helps, just don't mark your links as links. Users will need to c&p them then, but you should get them thru automoderation then17:39
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itsnotabigtruckoh yeah17:40
itsnotabigtruckthe usual way to do that is to write it like hxxp://17:41
itsnotabigtruckif you just put it in as a url, it'll get automatically wrapped in url tags17:41
rzrany qml guys around ? can you tell what version of qt on your n9s ?17:41
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itsnotabigtruckit's 4.7.something17:45
itsnotabigtruckjust do this17:45
itsnotabigtruckdpkg -l libqtcore417:45
itsnotabigtruck(on the phone)17:45
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rzri know17:54
rzron my n9 4.7.4~git20110517-0maemo12+0m617:54
rzrbehaviour is different than on 4.7.4~git20120112-0maemo1+0m717:54
rzron some qml components17:54
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trxhm, is there some generic input dialog component in QML?18:13
trxsomething like TextInput and a button(s)?18:13
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rzrbut fear it18:15
trxwhy, it is buggy?18:15
rzri am working on a text editor18:16
rzrand noticed that behaviour is very different on different versions of qt18:16
rzrso i am a bit lost18:17
rzrwanna test on your device ?18:17
trxi have an n95018:17
rzron that one it s working fine18:17
trxbtw, have you tested txpad 0.3.0 ?18:18
trxi am working on finishing 0.4.0 atm, speed is greatly improved now18:19
rzryes i tested it18:19
trxhave you noticed anything other that speed that could be improved?18:19
trxthan speed*18:19
trxi also fixed swype support in 0.4.018:20
trxoh btw, thank you for putting it in your repo!18:21
rzryou're welcome18:21
rzri think i will give up using that textarea component18:21
rzryou're not using it and it behave nicely18:22
trxits a pain to make it behave nicely18:22
trxbut its worth it18:22
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rzrdo you see any future for qml ?18:22
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rzrlet me suggest to test it on older firmware18:23
trxno.. unless more hardware starts to use it, it will be dead..18:23
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itsnotabigtruckso confusing...19:09
itsnotabigtruckboth you guys have three letter nicks that weechat gave the same color :p19:10
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rzritsnotabigtruck, maybe you're color blind :)19:12
rzrlooks that qml is pretty immature for now19:13
itsnotabigtruckrzr: 14 color options and way more than 14 other people, there's bound to be overlap19:14
rzrweechat could alternate the colors on each letters19:14
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rzri am sure with a such brillant idea nokia will hire me as a marketting designer19:15
trxyeah, some things are very annoying, for example touch events in qml are propagated though components that do not receive them, to invisible(overlaped) components bellow19:16
trxwhich for example makes menus useless19:16
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trxso i had to register a custom type from c++ that handles touchevents and implement it in Fader component19:17
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trxit took me weeks sadly to figure that one out19:18
rzri was quite happy wi9th redak on my n950 until i tested on a n19:18
rzri was quite happy wi9th redak on my n950 until i tested on a n9 w/ older qt19:18
trxwhat were the problems?19:19
rzri donno if it worth to support older version after pr1.3 release19:19
rzrsoftkb focus goes crazy etc19:19
trxoh that19:19
trxyeah, i hate that19:19
trxi made a mess of my code to "kida fix" those issues19:20
rzrif needed i can make a video of both behaviours19:20
itsnotabigtruckrzr: well, if you know it's borked on older versions and don't end up working around it, make sure to put in a dependency as such19:20
itsnotabigtrucklike libqtblahblah (>= version)19:20
rzrwell would you prefer not having some app than a buggy one ?19:21
rzrfragmentation they call it...19:21
rzritsnotabigtruck, btw what fw are using on your devices ?19:21
itsnotabigtruck*device, and pr1.219:22
itsnotabigtruckand i'd prefer having the app and having it not be buggy19:22
itsnotabigtruckbecause i always run the latest fw19:22
itsnotabigtruckif the user isn't, well, that's their problem19:22
itsnotabigtruckputting in the dependency forces users to upgrade so they don't end up in the installed/buggy situation19:23
rzrsure but they'll have new buggy situations :)19:24
rzrlike battery outage etc ...19:24
itsnotabigtruckbattery outage?19:24
itsnotabigtruckanyway...if everyone reflashed with a clean pr1.2 image, they'd have basically no problems19:24
itsnotabigtruckalmost everything anybody complains about has stemmed from a screwy upgrade19:25
* itsnotabigtruck sighs19:25
itsnotabigtruckalso it's halfway through may, nokia needs to get on with the pr1.3 already19:25
rzrrelease just after meltemi announces ...19:27
JaffaEspecially since I'm waiting to reflash my N919:29
rzrmine is on pr1.019:32
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ZogG_laptoprzr: mine is
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Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, ping19:51
Sazpaimoni just noticed that a while ago, some people managed to get kexec working as a module on the droid x19:52
Sazpaimondroid x has the same SoC as the N919:52
Sazpaimonso would you be interested in possibly getting kexec on incepted phones?19:52
itsnotabigtruckhm, probably the same thing i found before19:52
itsnotabigtrucki'd definitely be interested19:52
itsnotabigtrucki don't really have the willpower to do it myself though :p19:53
Sazpaimonwell if I can get you the compiled modules you're free to try it19:53
Sazpaimonsince i dont have a closed phone19:53
itsnotabigtruckbut it would be super-awesome to have it working, it would eliminate the last disadvantage of inception vs other approaches19:53
itsnotabigtruckand compiling it probably isn't the problem19:53
Sazpaimonyeah i for some reason can't get my kexec enabled regular harmattan kernel to boot another kernel19:54
Sazpaimonbut I have a moslo kernel that will kexec fine19:54
Sazpaimonin fact i was able to kexec from one kernel to harmattan kernel from preinit19:55
Sazpaimonbut not the other way around... I never really looked into it though19:55
itsnotabigtruckso maybe whatever moslo's kernel contains needs to be ported into a module for the harmattan kernel19:55
itsnotabigtruckwith kexec, that would make it possible to arrange a two stage boot19:55
itsnotabigtruckset up a rootfs with the absolute minimum to get the original kernel and aegis going, then load the kexec module and kexec into a custom kernel, then pivot into the real rootfs19:56
itsnotabigtruckthen boot the rest of the harmattan system19:57
Sazpaimoni actually wanted to use this for multiboot really19:57
Sazpaimonbut it could theoretically make it so incepted users can use nitdroid if it works19:57
itsnotabigtruckthat too :p19:57
itsnotabigtruckwell, they could be combined into the same project really19:57
itsnotabigtruckmy idea is a special case of the multiboot setup with one kernel/os19:58
itsnotabigtruckand that kernel being some non-stock thing with custom goodies inside19:58
itsnotabigtruckanyway, i'm hoping some people will get going on that (other than me)19:59
itsnotabigtruckwhat this hack stuff requires is as many people as possible working on it19:59
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon ^20:03
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Sazpaimonlike ive said, I'm not really fully interested in inception, I prefer open mode20:04
Sazpaimonbut i know a lot of people use it, so I may as well try and give something to them20:04
jonni\o/ heh just fixed one N9 that my work collegue had dropped to floor while usb cable was connected, which broke usb / made cold joints. Shit those connectoinpoints are in small area, my hands where shaking like mad when used soldering iron to connect things back to working. But happy end, now I got myself another free N9 :)20:05
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: well, the inception approach is the best bet for shipping something that isn't a huge pita to install20:05
itsnotabigtruckall the n00bs on tmo are having all the same open mode problems after installing nitdroid20:05
itsnotabigtruckbecause no one did anything to make it easy to make it proper20:06
SpeedEviljonni: :)20:06
ZogG_laptopso soon there would be results if there would be lawsuit against elop =)20:08
SpeedEvilThere is.20:09
SpeedEvilOr was I misinterpreting you.20:10
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itsnotabigtruckmeh, shareholder lawsuits happen all the time20:12
itsnotabigtruckthey're pretty much always just an attempt to get a quick buck20:12
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b0unc3I've an app that makes a phone call through dbus, it works fine with the developer account not from the normal user20:40
b0unc3anyone know why?20:40
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ZogG_laptopb0unc3: permissions?20:51
b0unc3ZogG_laptop: like aegis?20:52
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ZogG_laptopor that or file permissions20:53
ZogG_laptopwhat error you get when you try to run from user?20:53
b0unc3ZogG_laptop: that's the weird part, I get no error...simply the call doesn't start20:53
jonnideveloper has more capabilities and normal user on unknown source.20:54
ZogG_laptopb0unc3: try to check system logs and dbus logs and if we have than aegis logs20:55
jonni(if your app is not ovi signed)20:55
b0unc3no, it's just a bin atm20:56
jonnithen devel mode has more capas than normal mode user20:58
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ZogG_laptopsign it with inception and try21:06
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ZogG_laptop - coding in google docs =)21:18
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itsnotabigtruckb0unc3: it's almost certainly a permission problem22:45
itsnotabigtrucktry running it from develsh as user22:45
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itsnotabigtruckif that works, then you need to figure out exactly which permissions that develsh is providing your app requires22:45
itsnotabigtrucki bet it's Cellular or something like that22:45
itsnotabigtruckin fact you could test that with: develsh -c 'aegis-exec -c -a Cellular ./yourapp'22:46
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itsnotabigtruckyou probably don't need inception if your program works from the developer account22:47
itsnotabigtruckthough you should have inception anyway22:47
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: it's not always about inception =P22:58
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: only 99% of the time? :p23:14
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: something like that23:15
ZogG_laptophow are you pal23:15
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: glad the school year's over23:16
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: you just finished highschool?23:18
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: no, i meant school was in university23:18
itsnotabigtruck*as in   and i said school YEAR, not school altogether23:18
ZogG_laptopi still have half semester and than summer semester23:19
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ieatlinthow easy is it to access the front facing camera in an app right now?23:46
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Elleoieatlint: the aura source might be a good place to look, that can use the front camera23:53
ZogG_laptopmirror app is on gitorius23:54
Elleoieatlint: ah, from a quick glance at the source they do it all through gstreamer23:54
ZogG_laptopbut i think they added support within QML from PR1.223:55
Elleowhich seems to be able to access the front camera without any trouble, just a matter of changing the input source23:55
ieatlintyeah, i see the qt mobility 1.1 item that might work for me23:55
ieatlintmight need to look at gstreamer, will see23:55
ieatlinti need to pull off jpegs from it at around 10fps23:56
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