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| djszapi | beford: ping | 00:08 |
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| beford | hey | 00:12 |
| beford | sorry I had to leave yesterday. work meeting | 00:12 |
| beford | let me bring the OS X machine | 00:12 |
| djszapi | sure | 00:13 |
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| djszapi | MohammadAG: do you still need the widgetgallery built in scratchbox ? | 01:38 |
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| MohammadAG | djszapi: If you can, yeah, please | 01:43 |
| djszapi | why is this needed btw ? | 01:44 |
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| MohammadAG | I need to look at the gallery from which I'm taking some hints | 01:46 |
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| djszapi | isn't there a ready-made package for that ? | 01:47 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/libm/libmeegotouch/ | 01:49 |
| djszapi | you can install from there. | 01:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Oh! Thanks | 01:56 |
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| Sazpaimon | okay so how does USB networking work on the N9 so I can forward my WAN connection | 08:21 |
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| denism | hi, does anybody know - is it possible to check at Qt .pro file - is it currently compiled for x86 or for ARM? (for Harmattan scratchbox) | 10:03 |
| gabriel9|work | morning | 10:07 |
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| jonni | denism: pro file is never compiled ;) do you mean checking if some binary is x86 or arm? | 10:11 |
| tomma | denism, $ file <binary> | 10:14 |
| denism | jonni: yes, I need to know is it x86 or when .pro is handled by qmake. seems isEqual(QT_ARCH, armv6) works properly. | 10:15 |
| tomma | exept harmattan uses armv7 | 10:16 |
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| denism | tomma: scratchbox' qmake QT_ARCH reports armv6 (by message("QT_ARCH: $$QT_ARCH")) | 10:17 |
| tomma | ok nevermind then =) | 10:17 |
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| Jeffrey04 | am i supposed to emit a signal once i changed 'allow background connections' toggle programmatically? | 11:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfQqh7iCcOU&feature=player_embedded | 13:47 |
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| ZogG | sup pals | 15:12 |
| djszapi | ZogG: TEST! :D | 15:13 |
| ZogG | djszapi, had to go now =( | 15:13 |
| ZogG | send me file | 15:13 |
| ZogG | what have you changed? | 15:13 |
| djszapi | ZogG: it is now a different application | 15:13 |
| djszapi | QChuckNorris :D | 15:13 |
| ZogG | djszapi lol | 15:14 |
| ZogG | okay | 15:14 |
| ZogG | does it has russian? or i need to check an app itself | 15:14 |
| ZogG | djszapi, if you want me to test this is time to send file, s i'm gonna be gone in few minutes for few hours and than i would need to make HW in programming =\ | 15:16 |
| djszapi | ZogG: you have tested the Russian last time xD | 15:17 |
| djszapi | http://minus.com/mc0PstZrl/ | 15:17 |
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| Elleo | rzr: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2012/05/16/those-funny-funguloids/ <-- after a lot of hacking I managed to make it playable :) | 15:24 |
| rzr | brillant | 15:24 |
| rzr | ask me to rebuilt it when you think it worth it | 15:25 |
| Elleo | at the moment it's not really built in a proper debian friendly way | 15:26 |
| Elleo | as I'm sorting out a workflow that'll work for people getting stuff in to the ovi store | 15:26 |
| Elleo | which means the packages end up having to contain all the external libs | 15:26 |
| rzr | the apple way :( | 15:27 |
| Elleo | yeah :/ | 15:27 |
| Elleo | it's a shame that both ovi and apps for meego don't have any way of handling extra dependencies properly yet | 15:27 |
| rzr | but this is not a reason to a proper version of it isnt it | 15:28 |
| ZogG | rzr, djszapi i may need to help to build my app as well | 15:28 |
| rzr | ZogG, which one ? | 15:28 |
| Elleo | I might sort out a proper build at some point | 15:28 |
| ZogG | rzr, imgrup | 15:28 |
| ZogG | rzr, haven't touch it for a while | 15:28 |
| Elleo | but I don't think it'll work with the default debian ogre packaging, as you have to enable the opengles stuff manually at the moment | 15:28 |
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| rzr | Elleo, I will sort this out later | 15:29 |
| ZogG | i built it with qtcreator, but as i added plugin it not works the proper way and i want it on OBS so i can put it on appsformeego and OVI | 15:29 |
| rzr | now I am fighting w/ qml to support older version | 15:29 |
| Elleo | heh, no worries | 15:30 |
| rzr | ZogG, 1st is try to upload to obs | 15:30 |
| ZogG | rzr, wouldn't compile and it got messy | 15:30 |
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| rzr | ZogG, how comes ? | 15:31 |
| ZogG | rzr, i would talk to you as we both would have time, as now i need to go =( | 15:31 |
| rzr | ZogG, u can try to build it using sb | 15:31 |
| rzr | ZogG, no need to hurry . we'll do that on time | 15:31 |
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| ZogG | rzr, i'll try to add some feaures and fix old ones before and i'll talk to you, it may take time, just wanted to know if you would like to help latter | 15:33 |
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| rzr | btw i have more time this week than upcoming ones | 15:37 |
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| ZogG | rzr i do not have too much time this week =( | 15:39 |
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| rzr | ZogG, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1207367#post1207367 | 15:40 |
| ZogG | rzr, ok, thanks. i'll catch up with you here or on the forum. | 15:41 |
| ZogG | now going to shower and volunteering for help for holocaust victims =) | 15:41 |
| rzr | are both action related ? | 15:42 |
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| GentooXativa | hi :) | 15:59 |
| tgalal | GentooXativa: welcome back :) | 16:08 |
| GentooXativa | thanks mate :D | 16:08 |
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| Elleo | urgh, I can't seem to post anything with links in on tmo anymore without it going into the blackhole of moderation :/ | 16:25 |
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| Morpog | u need more than 5 posts | 16:42 |
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| Elleo | ah | 16:52 |
| Elleo | I wonder why some of my other posts with links in got through okay then :/ | 16:52 |
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| arcean | forum-pl | 16:52 |
| Elleo | I guess I'll just have to find some inane things to say ;) | 16:52 |
| arcean | err, wrong window :) | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Elleo: tmo usually isn't averse against links | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | moderation usually isn't a blackhole either | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you can't post somewhere, you usually should receive according msg when you try | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | other posts show up un thread until they get *removed* by a mod | 17:12 |
| Elleo | DocScrutinizer: when I post I get a message saying its gone into moderation, and I've never had anything leave moderation before | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I haven't seen or heard of user-specific thread-specific contains-URL-specific bans | 17:13 |
| Elleo | I waited a few weeks on a couple of announcements in moderation in the past, before giving up and reposting them (at which point they went through automatically) | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's unusual. maybe the thread got moderated now, or you aren't registered | 17:14 |
| Elleo | it got sent to moderation automatically when I posted it, rather than being banned by a moderator | 17:14 |
| Elleo | its just the moderator never seems to check the threads in that queue | 17:15 |
| Elleo | and I'm registered, I just have a pretty low post count | 17:15 |
| Elleo | but most of the things I post are software announcements (containing links) | 17:15 |
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| Elleo | so I'll try getting my post count up a bit by finding stuff to comment on and try again in a few days | 17:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Elleo: afaik moderation *is* a blackhole on tmo | 17:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that is, moderation as in post approval | 17:20 |
| Elleo | yeah | 17:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and a lot of vbulletin forums mark early posts with links as spam | 17:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i think my first post had links and it wasn't flagged... | 17:21 |
| Elleo | yeah, I'm not sure what the exact trigger is, since some of my posts with links have gone through okay | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe pm reggie? | 17:21 |
| Elleo | but no matter how I try to format this one and with as few links as possible it doesn't go through | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think qole hates pms and doesn't read them (which is kind of remiss for a forum mod) | 17:21 |
| Elleo | heh | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the others don't seem to, you know, exist | 17:22 |
| Elleo | well, I'll try again in a few days and if its still not accepting it I'll see about pinging folks | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just do it now | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 17:22 |
| Elleo | heh | 17:23 |
| Elleo | well I prefer not to pester people directly unless I absolutely have to | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd bet the entire problem is that no one looks at the spam queue because emptying the spam queue is boring and easy to forget | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and hidden away somewhere | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, moderation is a blackhole, as mods usually don't moderate at all | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Elleo: if nothing helps, just don't mark your links as links. Users will need to c&p them then, but you should get them thru automoderation then | 17:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the usual way to do that is to write it like hxxp:// | 17:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you just put it in as a url, it'll get automatically wrapped in url tags | 17:41 |
| rzr | any qml guys around ? can you tell what version of qt on your n9s ? | 17:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's 4.7.something | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just do this | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dpkg -l libqtcore4 | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (on the phone) | 17:45 |
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| rzr | i know | 17:54 |
| rzr | on my n9 4.7.4~git20110517-0maemo12+0m6 | 17:54 |
| rzr | behaviour is different than on 4.7.4~git20120112-0maemo1+0m7 | 17:54 |
| rzr | on some qml components | 17:54 |
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| trx | hm, is there some generic input dialog component in QML? | 18:13 |
| trx | something like TextInput and a button(s)? | 18:13 |
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| rzr | yes | 18:15 |
| rzr | but fear it | 18:15 |
| trx | why, it is buggy? | 18:15 |
| rzr | i am working on a text editor | 18:16 |
| rzr | and noticed that behaviour is very different on different versions of qt | 18:16 |
| rzr | so i am a bit lost | 18:17 |
| rzr | wanna test on your device ? | 18:17 |
| trx | sure | 18:17 |
| trx | i have an n950 | 18:17 |
| trx | a* | 18:17 |
| rzr | on that one it s working fine | 18:17 |
| trx | btw, have you tested txpad 0.3.0 ? | 18:18 |
| trx | i am working on finishing 0.4.0 atm, speed is greatly improved now | 18:19 |
| rzr | yes i tested it | 18:19 |
| trx | have you noticed anything other that speed that could be improved? | 18:19 |
| trx | than speed* | 18:19 |
| trx | i also fixed swype support in 0.4.0 | 18:20 |
| trx | oh btw, thank you for putting it in your repo! | 18:21 |
| rzr | you're welcome | 18:21 |
| rzr | i think i will give up using that textarea component | 18:21 |
| rzr | you're not using it and it behave nicely | 18:22 |
| trx | yeap | 18:22 |
| trx | its a pain to make it behave nicely | 18:22 |
| trx | but its worth it | 18:22 |
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| rzr | do you see any future for qml ? | 18:22 |
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| rzr | let me suggest to test it on older firmware | 18:23 |
| trx | no.. unless more hardware starts to use it, it will be dead.. | 18:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so confusing... | 19:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | both you guys have three letter nicks that weechat gave the same color :p | 19:10 |
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| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, maybe you're color blind :) | 19:12 |
| rzr | trx, https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTCOMPONENTS-540 | 19:13 |
| rzr | looks that qml is pretty immature for now | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: 14 color options and way more than 14 other people, there's bound to be overlap | 19:14 |
| rzr | weechat could alternate the colors on each letters | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:15 |
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| rzr | i am sure with a such brillant idea nokia will hire me as a marketting designer | 19:15 |
| trx | yeah, some things are very annoying, for example touch events in qml are propagated though components that do not receive them, to invisible(overlaped) components bellow | 19:16 |
| trx | which for example makes menus useless | 19:16 |
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| trx | so i had to register a custom type from c++ that handles touchevents and implement it in Fader component | 19:17 |
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| rzr | overkill | 19:17 |
| trx | it took me weeks sadly to figure that one out | 19:18 |
| rzr | i was quite happy wi9th redak on my n950 until i tested on a n | 19:18 |
| rzr | i was quite happy wi9th redak on my n950 until i tested on a n9 w/ older qt | 19:18 |
| trx | what were the problems? | 19:19 |
| rzr | i donno if it worth to support older version after pr1.3 release | 19:19 |
| rzr | softkb focus goes crazy etc | 19:19 |
| trx | oh that | 19:19 |
| trx | yeah, i hate that | 19:19 |
| trx | i made a mess of my code to "kida fix" those issues | 19:20 |
| rzr | if needed i can make a video of both behaviours | 19:20 |
| trx | kinda* | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: well, if you know it's borked on older versions and don't end up working around it, make sure to put in a dependency as such | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like libqtblahblah (>= version) | 19:20 |
| rzr | well would you prefer not having some app than a buggy one ? | 19:21 |
| rzr | fragmentation they call it... | 19:21 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, btw what fw are using on your devices ? | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *device, and pr1.2 | 19:22 |
| rzr | 950? | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no | 19:22 |
| rzr | k | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'd prefer having the app and having it not be buggy | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because i always run the latest fw | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the user isn't, well, that's their problem | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | putting in the dependency forces users to upgrade so they don't end up in the installed/buggy situation | 19:23 |
| rzr | sure but they'll have new buggy situations :) | 19:24 |
| rzr | like battery outage etc ... | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | battery outage? | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway...if everyone reflashed with a clean pr1.2 image, they'd have basically no problems | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | almost everything anybody complains about has stemmed from a screwy upgrade | 19:25 |
| * itsnotabigtruck sighs | 19:25 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it's halfway through may, nokia needs to get on with the pr1.3 already | 19:25 |
| rzr | release just after meltemi announces ... | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | Especially since I'm waiting to reflash my N9 | 19:29 |
| rzr | mine is on pr1.0 | 19:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: mine is 0.0.0.1alpha5 | 19:38 |
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| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, ping | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah? | 19:51 |
| Sazpaimon | i just noticed that a while ago, some people managed to get kexec working as a module on the droid x | 19:52 |
| Sazpaimon | droid x has the same SoC as the N9 | 19:52 |
| Sazpaimon | so would you be interested in possibly getting kexec on incepted phones? | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, probably the same thing i found before | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd definitely be interested | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't really have the willpower to do it myself though :p | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | well if I can get you the compiled modules you're free to try it | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | since i dont have a closed phone | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it would be super-awesome to have it working, it would eliminate the last disadvantage of inception vs other approaches | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and compiling it probably isn't the problem | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i for some reason can't get my kexec enabled regular harmattan kernel to boot another kernel | 19:54 |
| Sazpaimon | but I have a moslo kernel that will kexec fine | 19:54 |
| Sazpaimon | in fact i was able to kexec from one kernel to harmattan kernel from preinit | 19:55 |
| Sazpaimon | but not the other way around... I never really looked into it though | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so maybe whatever moslo's kernel contains needs to be ported into a module for the harmattan kernel | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with kexec, that would make it possible to arrange a two stage boot | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | set up a rootfs with the absolute minimum to get the original kernel and aegis going, then load the kexec module and kexec into a custom kernel, then pivot into the real rootfs | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then boot the rest of the harmattan system | 19:57 |
| Sazpaimon | i actually wanted to use this for multiboot really | 19:57 |
| Sazpaimon | but it could theoretically make it so incepted users can use nitdroid if it works | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that too :p | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, they could be combined into the same project really | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my idea is a special case of the multiboot setup with one kernel/os | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that kernel being some non-stock thing with custom goodies inside | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i'm hoping some people will get going on that (other than me) | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what this hack stuff requires is as many people as possible working on it | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon ^ | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | hi | 20:03 |
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| Sazpaimon | like ive said, I'm not really fully interested in inception, I prefer open mode | 20:04 |
| Sazpaimon | but i know a lot of people use it, so I may as well try and give something to them | 20:04 |
| jonni | \o/ heh just fixed one N9 that my work collegue had dropped to floor while usb cable was connected, which broke usb / made cold joints. Shit those connectoinpoints are in small area, my hands where shaking like mad when used soldering iron to connect things back to working. But happy end, now I got myself another free N9 :) | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: well, the inception approach is the best bet for shipping something that isn't a huge pita to install | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all the n00bs on tmo are having all the same open mode problems after installing nitdroid | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because no one did anything to make it easy to make it proper | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | jonni: :) | 20:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | so soon there would be results if there would be lawsuit against elop =) | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | There is. | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Or was I misinterpreting you. | 20:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | meh, shareholder lawsuits happen all the time | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're pretty much always just an attempt to get a quick buck | 20:12 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 20:39 |
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| b0unc3 | I've an app that makes a phone call through dbus, it works fine with the developer account not from the normal user | 20:40 |
| b0unc3 | anyone know why? | 20:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | b0unc3: permissions? | 20:51 |
| b0unc3 | ZogG_laptop: like aegis? | 20:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | or that or file permissions | 20:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | what error you get when you try to run from user? | 20:53 |
| b0unc3 | ZogG_laptop: that's the weird part, I get no error...simply the call doesn't start | 20:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmmm | 20:54 |
| jonni | developer has more capabilities and normal user on unknown source. | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | b0unc3: try to check system logs and dbus logs and if we have than aegis logs | 20:55 |
| jonni | (if your app is not ovi signed) | 20:55 |
| b0unc3 | no, it's just a bin atm | 20:56 |
| jonni | then devel mode has more capas than normal mode user | 20:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sign it with inception and try | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 21:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | https://docs.google.com/macros/edit?lib=MieqaJ37BNonm9p5Hu2EnMD0jTLAWh682 - coding in google docs =) | 21:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | b0unc3: it's almost certainly a permission problem | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try running it from develsh as user | 22:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if that works, then you need to figure out exactly which permissions that develsh is providing your app requires | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i bet it's Cellular or something like that | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact you could test that with: develsh -c 'aegis-exec -c -a Cellular ./yourapp' | 22:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | you probably don't need inception if your program works from the developer account | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though you should have inception anyway | 22:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: it's not always about inception =P | 22:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: only 99% of the time? :p | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: something like that | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | how are you pal | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: glad the school year's over | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: you just finished highschool? | 23:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no, i meant school was in university | 23:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *as in and i said school YEAR, not school altogether | 23:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | ohh | 23:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i still have half semester and than summer semester | 23:19 |
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| ieatlint | how easy is it to access the front facing camera in an app right now? | 23:46 |
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| Elleo | ieatlint: the aura source might be a good place to look, that can use the front camera | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | mirror app is on gitorius | 23:54 |
| Elleo | ieatlint: ah, from a quick glance at the source they do it all through gstreamer | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i think they added support within QML from PR1.2 | 23:55 |
| Elleo | which seems to be able to access the front camera without any trouble, just a matter of changing the input source | 23:55 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i see the qt mobility 1.1 item that might work for me | 23:55 |
| ieatlint | might need to look at gstreamer, will see | 23:55 |
| ieatlint | i need to pull off jpegs from it at around 10fps | 23:56 |
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