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| DocScrutinizer | nobody testing openmode kernel? opensh? | 00:51 |
| * Richlv isn't advanced enough yet :) | 00:54 | |
| lirax2432 | is it possible to install developer mode without wifi/3g? something like installing the packages? I searched in http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free but can't install openssh from there | 00:55 |
| Mek | even if you can find the .deb's somewhere, if you don't install them from the real repo they won't get the right origin and thus won't get the aegis rights they need | 00:56 |
| lirax2432 | :S thanks I tought there was a way | 00:57 |
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| jonni | Mek: that isnt entirely true, right origin remains if you get the debs, so in theory you can have all the debs in mydocs and isntall it from there. | 01:12 |
| lirax2432 | and is there a way to get them? | 01:13 |
| jabis | if you get the signed debs that is | 01:13 |
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| jonni | apt-get --download-only install openssh, gets you the signed debs | 01:13 |
| lirax2432 | thanks I will try it right now | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, you probably *could* do this command on you rlinux PC ;-D | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | given you'd config all the right repos and passwords and whatnot | 01:15 |
| jabis | yeh - 403 is a bitch x) | 01:15 |
| lirax2432 | but I need to be root right? cause I tried it and I got E: Could not open lock.. | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, you tried what? | 01:16 |
| lirax2432 | apt-get --download-only install openssh | 01:17 |
| lirax2432 | as jonni said | 01:17 |
| jabis | so let me get this right - you do or do not have internet access on the phone? | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | on which machine? | 01:17 |
| lirax2432 | haha I get it.. | 01:18 |
| lirax2432 | I don't have internet acces on the phone | 01:18 |
| jabis | (I was under the impression that you need the packages,but no 3g/wifi) so no dice with a command that sucks the package from the internet ;) | 01:18 |
| jonni | you can use usbnet, if you kludge the route add default 192.168.2.14 | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | on phone you can't apt-get --download without connectivity to internet. On PC you'll have a hard time teaching your apt to access the Nokia repos | 01:19 |
| jonni | I've installed through usbnet if there is no 3g or wifi | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, though usbnet isn't exactly easy to set up | 01:19 |
| lirax2432 | ok, I'm searching about usbnet | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes | 01:19 |
| lirax2432 | so is there a way toacces nokia repo in pc? | 01:20 |
| jonni | well if you can ssh into the device then usb net is up | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm indeed, kinda | 01:21 |
| jabis | tho you'd need to nat/bridge the host if I'm not terribly wrong | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and also teach the phone about standard gateway and routing | 01:21 |
| jonni | jabis: not necessarily, its enough if your pc has http proxy, then you can just: export http_proxy=http://192.168.2.14; apt-get --download..... | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow | 01:22 |
| jonni | no need to teach about routing | 01:22 |
| jabis | if it's a windows host that might be a bit trickier - tho duely noted that's one option for sure :) | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought along the line of port forwarding via ssh | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:23 |
| Richlv | i was thinking of suggesting to route through a laptop wifi, then remembered "no wifi" part :> | 01:23 |
| lirax2432 | I know I can't just access directly to http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/apps but you say that I'll have a hard time teaching myself to access it, just to be clear, is it possible to access from a pc? | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably easiest way is to take a walk to the next public hotspot ;-D | 01:24 |
| Richlv | lirax2432, btw, do you mean "no wifi access to internet" or "no wifi at al" ? | 01:24 |
| Richlv | all | 01:24 |
| lirax2432 | I have no wifi at all | 01:25 |
| jonni | lirax2432: its easier just to export http_proxy, there is a way to access from pc, but you need to fake a lot of things, ie you need to reverse engineer the headers it sends | 01:25 |
| lirax2432 | that sounds hard | 01:25 |
| jabis | not really hard, but takes some serious effort x) | 01:25 |
| jabis | hard is subjective ^^ | 01:25 |
| lirax2432 | and how can I learn to do that? what do I have to read? | 01:26 |
| lirax2432 | read/try | 01:26 |
| jonni | http://www.charlesproxy.com/ is pretty nice multiplatform http proxy protocol analyser, if you really want to learn to do that ;) | 01:28 |
| lirax2432 | thank you | 01:29 |
| jabis | mainly I'd like to know what your host (pc) operating system is? | 01:29 |
| jabis | windows? | 01:29 |
| lirax2432 | arch linux | 01:29 |
| jabis | kk - then setting up a http proxy shouldn't be that hard | 01:31 |
| jabis | privoxy or squid I'd reckon the easy to setup ones | 01:33 |
| lirax2432 | ok will look into it | 01:33 |
| lirax2432 | I used squid at school but nothing serious | 01:33 |
| lirax2432 | I need to read a lot of stuff | 01:33 |
| jabis | not really - set up the proxy on your host and export http_proxy on the phone -> done | 01:34 |
| jabis | lirax2432: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Privoxy | 01:35 |
| jonni | apt-get install tinyproxy, if you want really small proxy | 01:35 |
| lirax2432 | ok pacman -S tinyproxy for me | 01:36 |
| jonni | ofcourse you could just ask someone to run apt-get --download-only on their phone for you can copy the packages :) | 01:36 |
| jonni | s/can/and/ | 01:36 |
| infobot | jonni meant: ofcourse you could just ask someone to run apt-get --download-only on their phone for you and copy the packages :) | 01:36 |
| jabis | well knowledge > spoonfeeding x) | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l /home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb|wc -l | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1114 | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lock partial | 02:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | maybe its similar to how fremantle is set, delete packages after finished installing. Surely a few hacks can get it going ;) | 02:09 |
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| jonni | package is removed by default after installation, --download-only only keeps it there. | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: note though the IroN900 indicates it's fremantle where I get 1114 files | 02:49 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I know I know, the latter is from N950 :) | 02:50 |
| psycho_oreos | though surely there's probably ways around it, I wouldn't know because I don't even own N950 myself | 02:50 |
| psycho_oreos | I mean ways to make one accumulate deb packages | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I actually thought "well, I could provide those .deb while they are probably there anyway" - well they aren't | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't know which pkgs to apt-get install --download-only | 02:51 |
| phunguy | so with nfc, can I share to/from an android phone with my n9? | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't get NFC to detect anything I tested with it. Tried with RFID cards, RFID readers, dunno what else. No idea what it is supposed to do when it actually would detect sth, or what I need to do to make it search for stuff (I assume it's not constantly powering out some RF to power up battery-free NFC items) | 02:56 |
| phunguy | shitre | 02:58 |
| phunguy | thats no good :( | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I got no android device here, and I dunno if it would share sth with such device and how you'd do that | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: on the n9, nfc is turned off in factory default | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a setting | 02:59 |
| phunguy | well if its just sharing a file over bluetooth nfc is just used to make the connection i'd think | 02:59 |
| phunguy | i turned nfc on | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | but once turned on, nfc is always on whenever the screen is active/not locked (with some exceptions for p2p that have the transmitter turned off) | 02:59 |
| phunguy | its the n9, not the android phone | 03:00 |
| ieatlint | yes, the setting is in Settings -> Device -> NFC | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings->phone->NFC | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:00 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: in general when the phone detects anything nfc you get a blue banner saying nfc | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 03:00 |
| ieatlint | when you read anything via nfc, a blue bar will pop down from the top of the screen with a little "nfc" logo, and the phone will vibrate and play a noise | 03:00 |
| merlin1991 | with the 1.1 pr you get prompts to open webpage if the tag contains url/ other stuff depending on uri | 03:00 |
| ieatlint | even reading something it can't understand will produce that result | 03:01 |
| ieatlint | the nfc transceiver is at the top of the phone, so you want to hold tags to it | 03:01 |
| ieatlint | you need to be within 2cm to realistically make it work (they claim up to 5, but that's really sketchy), and it's better if the surface the tag is on won't be reflecting rf (so avoid metal surfaces) | 03:01 |
| ieatlint | if you have a credit-card sized tag, it may take a little bit of shifting the tag around to get the part for it to read in my experience, but then it will be consistently able to read it once you know where to hold it | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 03:03 |
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| ieatlint | note it won't read prox cards :P | 03:03 |
| ieatlint | if your company uses mifare desfire or mifare classic, it will twitch, but i don't remember if the current software gives an error, or just shows the blue nfc bar and does nothing more | 03:04 |
| ieatlint | if you have an oyster card, that'll definitely cause the phone to twitch | 03:05 |
| ieatlint | same with the rfid credit cards, and an rfid passport should also cause it to detect it (but none of these will be readable by the base software) | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to tell what kinda card this is, anyway it does nuttin | 03:05 |
| ieatlint | if it says hid or prox anywhere on it, you can likely give up | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it says nuttin, except some 2134 that looks like a sort of serial nr | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I wonder how much battery this feature will eat all the time - according to your info as long as screen is active | 03:13 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, which i've been told by the nfc team at nokia first hand, and also have independently confirmed | 03:15 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I tried to measure power consumption with and without nfc with the power monitor but couldn't make out any difference | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | theoretically it shouldn't use too much, but if you never have occasion to read nfc, it may be worth turning it off | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: it needs to frequently send RF bursts that are strong enough to power a passive card | 03:19 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i know | 03:19 |
| ieatlint | i'm speaking anecdotally on power usage.. i haven't noticed a drop in battery life with it on | 03:20 |
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| qronic | hey, is there any file like /var/malf that could give me a like-MALF screen after messing with installing opensh? | 08:48 |
| qronic | is it /var/clean-device dir? | 08:49 |
| djszapi | well, very simple to make one | 08:54 |
| qronic | though I guess I'm failing at in-kernel check... | 09:00 |
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| djszapi | so as of now, Berlios is gone. Gitorious is an unstable service. KDE repositories cannot be used for certain projects. I am curious what people use apart from these services. I am now not using any remote repository so far for an account plugin. | 10:19 |
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| jonni | djszapi: http://bettercodes.org/ free and allows also private/hidden projects. | 10:31 |
| jonni | I'm using that for a few of my personal projects | 10:31 |
| djszapi | is it more liable than gitorious, as in: gitorious tends to have downtime for ages. Sometimes, it is impossible to delete projects you created. We especially suffer from that because we have a very old code on gitorious for our project, and newbies tend to find that first. We could not delete. Also, many other bottlenecks... | 10:32 |
| djszapi | I am now just tracking the version locally and upload the debian package to the remote server. I am fine with it as far as there are no other contributors. | 10:34 |
| ieatlint | there's always github, but some object to their closed source base and profit model | 10:34 |
| ieatlint | good enough for linux though :P | 10:35 |
| jonni | delete works, can make git or svn, havent noticed that long downtimes recently. | 10:35 |
| djszapi | I do not really care about opensource and community stuff, if it is for free | 10:35 |
| djszapi | I would like to get it solved, not to make a philosophy about opensource and community, and get nothing done | 10:35 |
| ieatlint | uh, there are some restrictions on what's free | 10:35 |
| ieatlint | private projects are definitely not free | 10:35 |
| djszapi | define private projects. | 10:35 |
| ieatlint | as i recall, public projects are free with an unlimited number of contributors | 10:35 |
| ieatlint | projects that have read access restrictions | 10:36 |
| ieatlint | if you don't care that anyone can find your project and get the source, then it's free | 10:36 |
| ieatlint | https://github.com/plans | 10:37 |
| ieatlint | github is one of the major players... as said, the linux kernel was hosted there for a bit after the kernel.org hacking | 10:37 |
| djszapi | it would be nice if nokia can provide a remote repository for Harmattan projects. | 10:37 |
| jonni | in bettercodes.org even private projects that can be personal or limited users only are also free. | 10:37 |
| djszapi | we have Qt Playground for Qt5 projects, KDE Playground and scratch repositories for KDE projcets. It would be nice to talk to someone at Nokia to provide a remote repository for us making Harmattan projects, like an account plugin which is typically Harmattan specific, and not just another frontend/standalone for a Qt or/and KDE project. | 10:39 |
| ieatlint | well i know the major criticism of github is that they run on a closed source model for their site, whereas gitorious is opensource... you can download their entire site and host your own gitorious on your servers (my employer does this for internal repos, for instance) | 10:39 |
| djszapi | have been using gitolite for ages instead of gitorious.... | 10:40 |
| djszapi | way more liable.... | 10:40 |
| ieatlint | note that "liable" means culpable, and isn't associated with "reliable" | 10:40 |
| djszapi | gitorious is ... well, like qtcreator and qmake for me. I do not even wish it for my worst antagonist :) | 10:41 |
| ieatlint | heh, i do fine with qtcreator and qmake | 10:42 |
| ieatlint | my headaches are caused by scratchbox... not that i have a better alternative | 10:42 |
| djszapi | I will ask Nokia about this Harmattan project hosting, let us see... | 10:42 |
| djszapi | it would be better centralized and easier findable after all | 10:43 |
| djszapi | what Harmattan projects are running out there. | 10:43 |
| djszapi | so I do not think it is a lost match yet since it makes sense. | 10:43 |
| djszapi | prolly https://projects.developer.nokia.com/, but it is down | 10:44 |
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| jonni | most likely lost match, when even qt code is hosted in gitorious.org | 10:57 |
| djszapi | that is a completely different story | 10:57 |
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| djszapi | completely different organization inside Nokia as well. This projects.developer.nokia.com/harmattan would be a good idea | 10:58 |
| djszapi | so all they should perform: 1) Get the site back 2) Establish a subentry for Harmattan projects. | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 11:00 |
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| jonni | thats quite unlikely since there arent any repositories for 3rd party apps for symbian, m$ nor linux. | 11:01 |
| djszapi | Harmattan is not Symbian, but Maemo/Meego. | 11:02 |
| djszapi | There is indeed a repository for Meego on gitorious | 11:02 |
| djszapi | and I do not see it a hard task to establish a formal subentry on an existing page. | 11:02 |
| jonni | yep, but gitorious is not maintained by nokia. | 11:02 |
| djszapi | I think it is just simply that, nobody required this strongely from that. They did actualy establish the repositories for Qt5 playground projects. | 11:03 |
| djszapi | but pdnc /is/ maintained by Nokia | 11:03 |
| djszapi | and qt5 is way bigger than Harmattan. | 11:03 |
| jonni | or /was/ :-) | 11:03 |
| djszapi | so I still stick by this: all they should perform: 1) Get the site back 2) Establish a subentry for Harmattan projects. | 11:04 |
| jonni | In a perfect world yes, but I wouldnt hold my breath. | 11:05 |
| djszapi | I do not think they can afford to not getting that site back anymore | 11:05 |
| dm8tbr | it might be easier to get something up on formeego.org | 11:05 |
| djszapi | so if they need to get it back anyway, our problem can be solved without any works. | 11:06 |
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| djszapi | poked them, let us see the answers.. | 11:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the joys of /ignore: sometimes the whole chan gets mere gibberish | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | still gibberish is more healthy to my nerves than the whole unfiltered BS | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | recently we had a +q I heard, and I noticed this chan suddenly started to make sense again | 12:16 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: would SASL make sense to be supported by OCS ? | 14:20 |
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| djszapiN9 | X-Fade, we accepted thr oauth support for ocs. I will add it to standard tonight. | 15:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | anyone willing to test my app? | 20:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 20:48 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | is it a good app? | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | ;) | 20:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | medium rare | 20:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | medium raw =) | 20:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw how do i lock th screen | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | push the power button | 20:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i mean viewer.setOrientation(QmlApplicationViewer::ScreenOrientationLockPortrait); | 20:52 |
| RST38h | MEANWHILE: Two drunken RIM executives on a flight to China fought staff and then chewed through their restraints after being subdued, forcing the pilots to divert the plane. | 20:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: again? | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: You mean it is not the first set of restraints? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no, just that were a case weeks back about exactly same, just not china | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it was same case | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: http://db.tt/JcUPmPbv | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | is it supposed to be a surprise? | 20:56 |
| lirax2432 | hi, I'm trying to install the package nano from here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/n/nano/ and I get invalid installation package, is there a way to install it from there? | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | nope the app | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | lirax2432: why not repo | 20:57 |
| lirax2432 | can't get networkint on the phone | 20:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | download | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | ooh, an imgur uploader! awesome! | 20:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: just alpha | 20:58 |
| RST38h | what is imgur? | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | imgur.com is a very good pastebin for images | 20:59 |
| lirax2432 | http://imgur.com/ | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, I see an upgrade for aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy on my N950 | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: thinking of gallery, description, delete and so on | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | I wonder what it does... | 20:59 |
| djszapi | very simple, it updated the unknown policy... | 21:00 |
| djszapi | as its name says... | 21:00 |
| lirax2432 | so.. is there a way to install nano in my phone from a .deb? | 21:00 |
| djszapi | just dpkg -i ? | 21:01 |
| lirax2432 | I don't have developer mode | 21:01 |
| lirax2432 | I'm trying to install it | 21:01 |
| djszapi | use the pkg manager | 21:01 |
| lirax2432 | from downloaded packages | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | isn't nano pretty much useless without developer mode? no ssh, no xterm --> no terminal to run nano in | 21:01 |
| lirax2432 | I do have terminal | 21:01 |
| lirax2432 | I downloaded meego-terminal | 21:01 |
| djszapi | mgedmin: you are confused | 21:02 |
| * mgedmin often is | 21:02 | |
| djszapi | lirax2432: try this: pkgmgr --install-file --file <your-deb-file> | 21:02 |
| djszapi | if it is in the user/* section, it is okay | 21:02 |
| lirax2432 | ok, will try it | 21:02 |
| djszapi | or if the maemo visible flag is set | 21:02 |
| djszapi | if not, you are out of the stroke of luck | 21:02 |
| djszapi | but you can rebuild the package with proper section, if you would like to do it with developer mode | 21:03 |
| djszapi | wihtout* | 21:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | and maybe global mgedmin how is app? worked? if it says unresponsing, it's okay, it takes time to up large pictures and haven't figured out how to make signal to make busy state | 21:04 |
| djszapi | progressdialog is your friend... | 21:04 |
| * mgedmin is charging his n950 from dead zero to something more than that -- for some reason he is a bit reluctant to install alpha packages without sources on his n9 | 21:04 | |
| lirax2432 | I got error: package nano is not user package :( | 21:05 |
| djszapi | that is bad of theirs... | 21:05 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: aegis is going to protect you against evildoers! | 21:05 |
| djszapi | they should use the maemo visible flag, but at any rate ... 1) Use developer mode 2) Repackage with the proper section | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: haha | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: ok, haven't added src yet as only started | 21:06 |
| djszapi | you can lose credentials with the second way though | 21:06 |
| lirax2432 | and how do I repackage the app? I mean what do I have to change? the control file? | 21:06 |
| djszapi | yes | 21:07 |
| djszapi | just add "Maemo-Flags: visible". | 21:07 |
| djszapi | and leave the section as is | 21:07 |
| djszapi | I would like to warn you again, you might lose credentials, so make sure | 21:08 |
| djszapi | check out the manifest file | 21:08 |
| lirax2432 | what's the risk of losing credentials? I do not understand.. | 21:08 |
| djszapi | and compare the manifest file requests with the unknown origin caps | 21:08 |
| djszapi | simple, you cannot do certain things needed. | 21:09 |
| lirax2432 | for that package or for the system? | 21:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you can install maemo apps? | 21:09 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 21:09 |
| djszapi | lirax2432: that package | 21:10 |
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| lirax2432 | oh it's nano, I guess I can try and nothing bad will happen, right? | 21:10 |
| djszapi | but I have just done the job for you, and it does not contain any manifest files. | 21:10 |
| lirax2432 | oh thanks! | 21:10 |
| djszapi | so a simple repackage should work oob | 21:10 |
| djszapi | but why not developer mode ? You might collide with such badly packaged packages in the future... | 21:11 |
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| lirax2432 | yesterday I tried to get usbnet working | 21:11 |
| djszapi | why not wifi ? | 21:11 |
| lirax2432 | so as I don't have networking on the phone | 21:12 |
| lirax2432 | I'm trying to download the packages myself | 21:12 |
| djszapi | usb networking is pretty simple as well, but wi-fi is even simpler | 21:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | meh wifi is nothing, post pidgeons are way to go | 21:13 |
| lirax2432 | how do I repackage as a .deb? I'm on linux.. I have a folder with all the files | 21:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | lirax2432: you can't without scratchbox | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | actually, you can | 21:13 |
| lirax2432 | :S I tought it was something simple | 21:13 |
| djszapi | lirax2432: simple, download the src, debian and orig file | 21:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | or you can =) | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | it's not _too_ complicated, but a bit silly | 21:14 |
| djszapi | then dpkg-source -x *.dsc | 21:14 |
| djszapi | lirax2432: cd into the folder and then: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 21:14 |
| djszapi | and the debs will be generated | 21:14 |
| lirax2432 | ok, will try it | 21:14 |
| djszapi | modify the control file before dpkg-buildpackage | 21:14 |
| lirax2432 | sure | 21:15 |
| djszapi | of course sb is not the only environment | 21:15 |
| lirax2432 | thanks | 21:15 |
| djszapi | madde can be used for packaging as well | 21:15 |
| djszapi | and nothing silly in scratchbox, almost the best packaging workflow ever | 21:15 |
| djszapi | since you have all the tools in place... | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | unpack with ar x filename.deb; tar xvzf control.tar.gz; edit the control file; pack it with tar cvzf control.tar.gz control md5sums (and also preinst/postinst/etc. if they exist); pack the deb with ar q filename.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: waiting for result | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | then go sit on a rocking chair waiting for the unclean feeling to go away | 21:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 21:17 |
| djszapi | lirax2432: I can repackage it for you | 21:17 |
| lirax2432 | ok I created the .deb Imgoint to test it on the phone | 21:17 |
| RST38h | a1 | 21:19 |
| lirax2432 | I did what mgedmin said, unpacked control.tar.gz, edited the file and then repacked and I got an error, can't install damaged package | 21:19 |
| djszapi | imho, that is a bit overcomplicated workflow | 21:21 |
| djszapi | just do what I said really, 2 commands + edit :) | 21:21 |
| lirax2432 | ok | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | dpkg-buildpackage in scratchbox is definitely a better and more reliable method | 21:22 |
| lirax2432 | will try that | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | sometimes my sense of 'ooh there's this totally unpractical but possible technicality' overwhelms my common sense | 21:23 |
| djszapi | lirax2432: you do not actually probably need to repackage it | 21:24 |
| djszapi | if you use developer mode | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | ZogG_laptop, observation #1: imgur icon is a pretty arrow in a black square of a colour that slightly differs from the app launcher background | 21:25 |
| djszapi | and that is much easier approach | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | ZogG_laptop, observation #2: "NO FILE CHOOSED YET" is lolcat; English would be "No file chosen yet" | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | and a button "Take file:" would look better without the colon | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | and maybe a different label? say, "Choose an image to upload" | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | so, I choose an image, I'm back at the first screen, and it still says "NO FILE CHOOSED YET" | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | where's the preview? | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | the button is changed to "imgur me!" | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | menu -> gallery -> there's no way to go back without selecting an image! | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | ok, I uploaded _something_, I dunno what | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | clicking the link works | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't tell me the delete page url | 21:28 |
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| mgedmin | ZogG_laptop, this concludes my testing | 21:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: lol cat is the imgur thing | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: i asked person to improve icon | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | still, it appears to mean 'NO FILE UPLOADEDED YET' | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | since it doesn't go away after I choose a file | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | it goes away after I actually upload it | 21:41 |
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| lirax2432 | I tried to repack nano, but there are a lot of tools that I need to install in order to get developer mode and I just keep getting can't install no user package, so thanks for your help I can't install developer mode offline | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: wait a sec | 21:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | how to i set item in the midle from left and right? | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | wat? | 21:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | did what you asked | 21:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | trying to make preview in the middle and not left | 21:56 |
| mgedmin | there's that thing with anchors | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | whatsitcalled | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | anchors.horizontalCenter: parent.horizontalCenter ? | 21:59 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: o/ | 22:12 |
| djszapi | interesting, there is an ircclient example for qtdeclarative in qt5: http://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,7830 | 22:12 |
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| Venemo | hey Venemo | 22:12 |
| Venemo | f | 22:12 |
| Venemo | hey djszapi :) | 22:13 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: lol :) | 22:13 |
| Venemo | :P | 22:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: redownload | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: http://db.tt/JcUPmPbv | 22:15 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, wut is dis? | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: the alpha of my app | 22:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, what does your app do? :) | 22:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: imgur uploader | 22:18 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I dunno what imgur is, sorry | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | imgur.com is a very good pastebin for images | 22:19 |
| leinir | it's sort of like a pastebin for images, with a social, memetic aspect to it :) | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | No, it's not | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It's spammy | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | haven't received a single email from imgur ;) | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Popups | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | ooh, really? evil | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | wtf, n950, why won't you respond to my pings? | 22:22 |
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| djszapi | well, there is one thing worse than qmake: qmake + pkgconfig. /me superbloeeee :) | 22:23 |
| mgedmin | stupid wifi that stops working but still shows 'connected' | 22:23 |
| mgedmin | ZogG_laptop, why you no increase version number? ಠ_ಠ | 22:24 |
| mgedmin | preview works, excellent! | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | my n950 keeps spamming me with "MEMORY LOW please close some apps" | 22:26 |
| djszapi | it is aegis ? :) | 22:27 |
| Venemo | mgedmin, close some apps? | 22:27 |
| mgedmin | top tells me it's fenix -prestart and a bunch of other builtin apps | 22:27 |
| mgedmin | no real apps running (just browser, imgrup, xterm and update manager) | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | now I close *everything*; ssh my-n950 free -m ==> 915 M used, 69 M free, 10 M swap used | 22:29 |
| djszapi | report a bug against free :) | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | my n9 with a web browser running shows 823 M used, 161 M free (well, and 228 M swap used 27 M free -- but no 'LOW MEMORY OMG' popups at least) | 22:31 |
| mgedmin | software is hard, let's go get drunk | 22:31 |
| mgedmin | thanks for the introduction to pkgmgr, btw! | 22:32 |
| djszapi | nothing really worked, but you are welcome for sure ;) | 22:32 |
| * mgedmin can't resist running pkgmgr upgrade-all and seeing what happens | 22:34 | |
| djszapi | it probably installs ICS :) | 22:35 |
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| mgedmin | "All packages upgraded successfully!" (those packages being openssh-{client,server}, meego-terminal, sdk-connectivity-tool | 22:36 |
| djszapi | mmm, Qt5 running on N9 | 22:37 |
| djszapi | nifty :) | 22:37 |
| djszapi | also, Qt5 on Windows 8, amazing! | 22:37 |
| djszapi | ohh ah finally, QNX support commercially!! | 22:38 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: it's not even close to proper alpha | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | :) | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | it works, which is closer to it than either of my harmattan projects | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: what projects? =) | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | https://github.com/mgedmin/qml-time-tracker | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<mgedmin> stupid wifi that stops working but still shows 'connected') I get this all the time, thought it's related to DHCP lease timeouts | 23:01 |
| Jare | mgedmin: linux likes to "use" a lot of memory, but most of it is actually in buffers/cache, so you shouldn't be concerned unless both free and buffers/cache amounts are low | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe dhcpd doesn't crank up wifi when in "suspend" ? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it doesn't renow the lease | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, I suspect bugs in the atheros driver of my openwrt install | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | my laptop sometimes gets this problem too | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | but then discovers it lost the connection when the next WPA2 group rekeying interval comes up | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | the n9/n950 doesn't discover anything; I have to disconnect and reconnect manually | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, dlink dir-615 here | 23:04 |
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| gabriel9 | how to pass text to function, i try like this: onClicked: text = MainJS.test(text); | 23:11 |
| gabriel9 | but i get: Error: Invalid write to global property "text" | 23:11 |
| gabriel9 | "this" is not pointing to current element | 23:12 |
| tomma | why dont you use elements id? | 23:14 |
| djszapi | good night | 23:15 |
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| Richlv | <mgedmin> DocScrutinizer, I suspect bugs in the atheros driver of my openwrt install | 23:17 |
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| Richlv | probably won't help, but i have something very similar :) | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | we could start a support group :) | 23:17 |
| Richlv | although that is a pretty old openwrt trunk install | 23:17 |
| Richlv | i plan to update it... for a few years now :D | 23:18 |
| gabriel9 | i wish to create n number of buttons and all of them will have id: bid1 bid2 ... so i don't know id of that components :) | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | no apt-get upgrade, sadly | 23:18 |
| Richlv | if i restart hostapd, it comes back to life | 23:18 |
| gabriel9 | if there are n of them | 23:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | либперл | 23:18 |
| gabriel9 | cyrilic | 23:19 |
| gabriel9 | = | 23:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | wrong place | 23:19 |
| gabriel9 | yes it is | 23:19 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 23:19 |
| gabriel9 | здраво | 23:19 |
| gabriel9 | :Д | 23:19 |
| gabriel9 | tomma: do you understand now? | 23:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: btw you can change pi by clicking on preview | 23:32 |
| mgedmin | yep, noticed and liked that | 23:32 |
| gabriel9 | guys i can't find how to pass text of the element to some variable | 23:34 |
| gabriel9 | sorry, to function | 23:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | i need ideas about up and desing and as well what needed? like name and descriptions | 23:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | app | 23:35 |
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| gabriel9 | Venemo ping | 23:51 |
| mikelima | hello all | 23:51 |
| Venemo | gabriel9, pong | 23:51 |
| mikelima | Anybody is using maemo-garage? | 23:52 |
| gabriel9 | i think you had similar problem with your irc app. You have different irc chat rooms(windows) | 23:52 |
| gabriel9 | you crete them on the fly? and how you keep them? they states | 23:53 |
| gabriel9 | their* | 23:53 |
| gabriel9 | is there any way to get element attribute without id, function call is in that element | 23:55 |
| Venemo | gabriel9, I keep them as a QList<ChannelModel*> in the ServerModel class. then from QML, I use them as a model for a repeater. | 23:56 |
| Richlv | if n9 contacts contain some of the entries 2, 3 or 4 times - how could that automaticaly be reduced to only one of them left ? | 23:56 |
| Richlv | is there direct access from shell to contacts, maybe ? | 23:56 |
| Richlv | PR 1.1 | 23:56 |
| Richlv | is that matters :) | 23:57 |
| gabriel9 | Yes that is the best way, model-view but i don't know C++, i know some but i rock in JS | 23:57 |
| tomma | you can use ListModel in QML | 23:58 |
| gabriel9 | hm i see it's nice, i hope it will work :) | 23:59 |
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