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| gri | djszapi: Great to hear that :) Good night btw | 00:04 |
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| djszapi | gri: I have one more issue | 00:04 |
| djszapi | oh | 00:04 |
| gri | have to go, sorry :( | 00:04 |
| gri | girlfriend gets annoying when I don't get off my computer now :D | 00:05 |
| djszapi | :) | 00:05 |
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| ss8vx | PR1.2 | 00:51 |
| ss8vx | I've Got an used N950 with unreleased firmware | 00:51 |
| ss8vx | http://www.phonesfera.com/threads/5589-N950-Pr1.2 | 00:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | wacky | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | now what a fsckd up format webpage is THAT? | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, there' | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | s | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | already a newer version called PR1.2 at Nokia for inside use | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a big surprise, eh? | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | No. Wondering about 'second hand' | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | also no surprise that allegedly it again locks down some paegis "flaws" | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | who says "2nd hand"? | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 'used' | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess Nokia rather ships N950 with PR1.2 than beta1, again due to aegis flaws, and "downgrade not allowed" | 01:38 |
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| ajalkane | Anyone know why this does not work: /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user sleep 100 | 03:32 |
| ajalkane | the program is not ran as 'user', but as 'nobody' | 03:32 |
| ajalkane | This is in devel-su | 03:33 |
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| ajalkane | okay... it was just aegis issue | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, aegis-exec is a bit.... errr... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis-exec -bla -blub /bin/bash | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also, dunno.. man aegis-exec doesn't work for me, for absolutely unknown reason | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | which makes me wonder if it's meant to be used by developer/user at all | 04:15 |
| ajalkane | at least it gives -h some sort of help. Is the sources available for Harmattan's aegis-exec? I only found the old MSSF version | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I missed to append </sarcasm> | 04:16 |
| JackaLX | ok I've just walked in on the middle of the conversation here, but you've reminded me of my _next_ question :-) Where can I get my hands on the docs (man pages, texinfo etc) for everything they put into MeeGo/Harmattan by default? | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | man pages get nuked on build time, to save 20MB of storage space. On a device with 8GB on / | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not complain about it if at least those manpages got bundled and offered for installation as one pkg | 05:02 |
| JackaLX | I'd even be happy to be forced to store them off-device | 05:08 |
| JackaLX | it's just that there's a lot of funky shit that isn't in a "normal" Linux install that I'm not too familiar with, and there are times when RTFM is somehow soothing :-) | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page has links to all known sources of info, I guess | 05:10 |
| JackaLX | and then there's the little differences between find(1) on my desktop and on my N9... ticks me off a bit | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 05:11 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls -l `which find` | 05:11 |
| JackaLX | find is just an example, plenty of other standard tools ain't too standard | 05:11 |
| JackaLX | yup, I've seen | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install findutils-gnu or sth like that | 05:12 |
| JackaLX | possible "solution" yeah :-) | 05:13 |
| JackaLX | thanks for the link, BTW | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas apt-cache search find doesn't make me smile | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, never mind, I accidentally was on the wrong device | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | findutils-gnu - utilities for finding files--find, xargs | 05:17 |
| JackaLX | oh, speaking of apt-foo, what is the command to update the cache/index/db whatever it is. Like when you add a new repo and you want apt to search it too (can you tell I don't grok Debianisms) | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get update ? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway seems to me I installed findutils-gnu via packrat | 05:19 |
| JackaLX | apt-get update, yes that's the one | 05:21 |
| JackaLX | packrat? | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither, probably directly from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/f/findutils/ | 05:22 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:27 |
| djszapi_ | ajalkane: normal | 07:28 |
| djszapi_ | zz_gri: ping | 07:33 |
| Scifig | Hi, Looking for some opinion on where to deploy config db and log file on harmattan for my application. Is there any benefit of storing OfflineStorage folder and a log in /home/user/.application vs /opt/application? | 07:55 |
| Scifig | Assuming permissions are not an issue. The application binart file is currently deployed to /opt/application/ | 07:55 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:56 |
| djszapi_ | Scifig: yes, of course | 07:56 |
| djszapi_ | Scifig: /home/user is owned by user, so nobody will have an access to it ideally, just user | 07:57 |
| djszapi_ | Scifig: /home/user/.yourapp/db like calendar does | 07:57 |
| djszapi_ | and I would personally provide some token so nobody can misuse it from outside | 07:58 |
| Scifig | djszapi_, Does it makes sense in harmattan though, which other accounts can user use other than "user" and "root"? | 08:00 |
| djszapi_ | of course, it makes perfect sense | 08:01 |
| djszapi_ | root cannot use it, no | 08:01 |
| djszapi_ | that is a misconcept | 08:02 |
| djszapi_ | root can create any account, and use your data even if you somehow manage to put root onto a black list... | 08:03 |
| djszapi_ | also, the main point is that you should provide the credential anyway | 08:03 |
| Scifig | correct, but the data is not at all confidential. In fact right in the fremantle version of the application I hard coded the DB path as /home/user/.application so that even when root is running the application uses the same settings (globally) | 08:05 |
| djszapi_ | that sounds nasty... | 08:05 |
| Scifig | Not necessarily the best way to do things, thats why I wanted to get second opinion. | 08:05 |
| Scifig | Another question is how to create the folder in /home/user during deployment. Running "dpkg -i app.deb" as root creates the folder in /home/user/.application but makes root as owner. | 08:07 |
| Scifig | User can't create/modify database. | 08:07 |
| djszapi_ | no | 08:08 |
| djszapi_ | root cannot create that... | 08:08 |
| JackaLX | that'd be a task for the app at runtime wouldn't it? | 08:08 |
| djszapi_ | no | 08:08 |
| djszapi_ | Scifig: you just need to have the proper credential for the install context, nothing seriously biggie | 08:08 |
| Scifig | djszapi_, You mean use a postinst script to create the folder in home folder? | 08:09 |
| djszapi_ | yes of course | 08:10 |
| JackaLX | I know I'm looking at this from the POV of a desktop Linux, but that sounds crazy to create user directories/files with the package management | 08:10 |
| djszapi_ | that is what calendar and others do, nothing crazy really | 08:11 |
| djszapi_ | Harmattan is not a desktop Linux, actually almost the opposite | 08:11 |
| djszapi_ | it has nothing to do with Linux desktop security | 08:11 |
| Scifig | JackaLX, I've tried to create the config directory using Qt qmlviewer->engine()->setOfflineStoragePath(). But it did not create the folder in /home/user in scratchbox. Fails silently, no error until I try to access the database | 08:12 |
| JackaLX | I didn't have security on my mind | 08:12 |
| JackaLX | I kinda wish Nokia didn't either :-P | 08:13 |
| djszapi_ | so you wanna my mother her data got misused ? | 08:13 |
| djszapi_ | or even rubbed ? | 08:13 |
| djszapi_ | exploited ? | 08:13 |
| djszapi_ | I mean...are you serious ? Probably, just joking... | 08:13 |
| JackaLX | No, I just want your mother to have a choice | 08:13 |
| djszapi_ | that would silly | 08:14 |
| djszapi_ | because of 100-200 ranting developers, Nokia will not focus for 100-200 developers in case of a user device | 08:14 |
| JackaLX | I'm only half serious. I know a lot of the security features are a good thing, just some of them get in the way for "power users" | 08:14 |
| djszapi_ | who cares ? | 08:15 |
| djszapi_ | It is a user device, do not force it into your dreams | 08:15 |
| JackaLX | the $800 hole in my pocket LOL | 08:15 |
| djszapi_ | who said you must buy it ? | 08:15 |
| djszapi_ | please do not blame Nokia because you do not know what you buy | 08:15 |
| JackaLX | relax, I'm very happy with my N9. There are just some things that I find a bit frustrating I suppose. | 08:19 |
| djszapi_ | and even that I consider myself a "power user", and I am fine. I can develop applications into OVI | 08:19 |
| djszapi_ | so really not the slightest what you are talking about... | 08:19 |
| djszapi_ | well, again, please do not blame Nokia because you do not know what you buy. | 08:20 |
| djszapi_ | it really hurts many people including me. | 08:20 |
| djszapi_ | and as a user device, I would like to buy a secure device for my mum | 08:20 |
| djszapi_ | so I fail to see the problem. | 08:20 |
| djszapi_ | many people are happy out there, but 50-100 ranting developers... | 08:22 |
| djszapi_ | even if it is clearly obvious the device was not created for them. | 08:22 |
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| JackaLX | we'll have to agree to disagree I think. (my personal view is that it is a hacker's device that a non-hacker would love too (or vice-versa)) | 08:25 |
| djszapi_ | does not matter what you think, and what the fact is | 08:25 |
| djszapi_ | rephrase: does not matter what you think. The fact of the vendor is entirely different | 08:26 |
| djszapi_ | either accept it or leave. I do not see anything else would make sense | 08:26 |
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| JackaLX | I can't do either of those, djszapi_, but I do promise to keep my ranting to an absolute minimum. (not sure if I could manage zero ranting, but I can certainly try). I'm happy with my N9 and Nokia is happy with my money so lets all just get along. :-) | 08:52 |
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| yipdw | hi all -- just wondering if anyone knows of an effort for full XMPP support in Harmattan, as it's something I'm very interested in working on | 09:29 |
| yipdw | (where by "full" I mean full integration with the contact list, account manager, etc.) | 09:30 |
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| djszapi_ | anybody ever written any accounts(-ui) plugin ? | 09:42 |
| dm8tbr | no, but I'll forgive you for being such a pain if you do! ;) | 09:48 |
| * dm8tbr still hopes for a XMPP/Jabber account plugin | 09:48 | |
| dm8tbr | accounts-sso code and some stuff is here https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/accounts-qt | 09:49 |
| djszapi_ | zz_gri: could you please publish the accounts plugin you wrote ? | 09:49 |
| djszapi_ | to be precise, the link of the repository or source ? | 09:49 |
| yipdw | I was looking over the accounts-qt documentation, and it looks like that part of the problem is pretty straightforward | 09:50 |
| djszapi_ | well, it has public documentation | 09:50 |
| yipdw | that said, I haven't actually written any code for Harmattan, just done some Qt work in the past | 09:50 |
| djszapi_ | but imho, the main issue is not that | 09:51 |
| djszapi_ | yipdw: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/accounts-qt/main.html?tab=1 | 09:51 |
| yipdw | well, there's multiple issues, and that's definitely one of them | 09:52 |
| djszapi_ | not really.... | 09:52 |
| yipdw | I don't know if it's the hardest or easiest one to solve | 09:52 |
| djszapi_ | the main problem is the xml imho | 09:52 |
| yipdw | the XML where? | 09:52 |
| djszapi_ | imho, the accounts-qt is pretty well documented publicly. | 09:53 |
| yipdw | I agree | 09:53 |
| yipdw | I probably shouldn't have mentioned accounts-qt, as that's not really the first problem I wanted to solve; it's a component that looked relevant but may or may not be | 09:54 |
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| yipdw | the first problem I want to solve is that I shouldn't have to use mc-tool to add an XMPP account; I want to be able to do that via the usual Accounts application | 09:56 |
| yipdw | so whatever components are involved with that. | 09:56 |
| yipdw | as I mentioned, I'm still feeling my way around Harmattan's architecture, so will be picking up which components interact with which as I go | 09:57 |
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| djszapi_ | yes, mc-tool is avery dirty and nasty hack | 09:59 |
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| qronic | O don't know if it was posted already: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/11/1-pr1-2-nokia-n950/ | 10:25 |
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| jonni | that is not final pr1.2 | 10:30 |
| qronic | that would be a complete fail :) | 10:33 |
| Kaadlajk | qronic: did you manage to get that sp-oops-extract? | 10:33 |
| qronic | nope, the guy who I wrote to, was a fremantle maintainer, not harmattan | 10:34 |
| qronic | he gave me a link to https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/crash-reporter | 10:34 |
| qronic | I wrote PMs to a couple of maintainers of it, but no resonse so far | 10:34 |
| Kaadlajk | I am the maintainer of that | 10:35 |
| qronic | So is it possible to obtain that package for non-internal-team man? | 10:35 |
| Kaadlajk | hrr | 10:38 |
| Kaadlajk | it is marked as nokia-open but I would have to ask from someone if I can send sp-oops-extract to outsiders | 10:39 |
| Kaadlajk | jonni: do you have any idea about that? | 10:39 |
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| qronic | np, btw it's quite strange that it's not available officially, cause crash-reporter, rich-core, etc are depend on it | 10:40 |
| jonni | package was removed from beta2, so I have no idea if package can be given to outsiders. | 10:40 |
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| dm8tbr | yipdw: ah, so you're also after XMPP :D | 10:45 |
| yipdw | dm8tbr: yeah, was wondering if anyone had already started | 10:45 |
| yipdw | either way, I'm happy to work on it | 10:45 |
| dm8tbr | yipdw: be my hero! <3 ;) | 10:46 |
| yipdw | heh | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | Kaadlajk: sp-oops-extract is in fremantle SDK | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | (source) | 10:46 |
| Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: I know, but there are some patches for harmattan | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:46 |
| dm8tbr | I'll be happy to give some hints and comments and guess djszapi_ could know also a bit or two about the mechanics of adding an account type proper | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | ask eero tamminen(sp), i guess | 10:47 |
| yipdw | dm8tbr: that'd be great | 10:47 |
| Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: qronic already did that aswell :-) | 10:47 |
| yipdw | dm8tbr: at the moment I'm installing scratchbox and getting my bearings around Harmattan, so I'll definitely poke around in here later on | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | Kaadlajk: on occasion it's just good to show up at their office door and block their exit until they give an answer.. | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 10:48 |
| dm8tbr | mhm, did that yesterday too. now trying to figure out how to make the qtsdk find the mafw headers I installed into the SDK (and into the SB target, but different story that) | 10:48 |
| djszapi_ | mmm, the qt resource system does not really have "prefix" for pickup up the files from the project into the resources.. | 10:50 |
| djszapi_ | picking* | 10:50 |
| djszapi_ | Stskeeps: iirc eero is not involved in harmattan anymore | 10:51 |
| djszapi_ | we also tried to ask him few times about things. | 10:51 |
| yipdw | one thing re: XMPP that I was happy to see in Harmattan is that it seems to now use the system's SSL certificate store | 10:52 |
| yipdw | Fremantle required some crazy arcane incantations to make that happen | 10:52 |
| yipdw | (unless adding an XMPP account via mc-tool ignores SSL certificate errors, in which case oops :P) | 10:53 |
| dm8tbr | yipdw: I think it doesn't, as I need to set an override for the jabber server that I use (uses CAcert) | 10:54 |
| yipdw | dm8tbr: yeah, the server I use also has a CAcert-issued certificate, but unfortunately I added the certificates to the store before adding the account so couldn't really tell | 10:55 |
| yipdw | and the certificate manager doesn't seem to have a disable/distrust/delete certificate option | 10:56 |
| dm8tbr | hehe | 10:57 |
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| jonni | delete certifications usually come on package updates, like when those few ca's were compromised, then the next update deleted the cert. | 11:01 |
| yipdw | jonni: yeah, I saw that e.g. DigiNotar was removed in PR1.1 | 11:02 |
| yipdw | good thing too :) | 11:02 |
| jonni | and well you can use commandline tool to delete certs, but thats not advertised :) | 11:03 |
| yipdw | oh | 11:03 |
| yipdw | I need to read up on that | 11:04 |
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| abinader | had anyone used avahi to enable .local domains on Harmattan? | 11:33 |
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| * djszapi_ is really happy :) android target can work in scratchbox \o/ | 12:07 | |
| radiofree | djszapi_: care to post a wiki? :) | 12:10 |
| djszapi_ | radiofree: yes, I am trying to get it work first myself. | 12:11 |
| djszapi_ | it would be a really great addition | 12:11 |
| radiofree | indeed! | 12:11 |
| djszapi_ | qtcreator is a big no go for KDE development for instance | 12:11 |
| djszapi_ | it is broken for that in every sense possible. | 12:11 |
| radiofree | I've only used QtCreator briefly but the parts I would have used it for seem pretty broken | 12:13 |
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| djszapi_ | abinader: avahi is not available for Harmattan iirc | 12:38 |
| abinader | djszapi_: I guess it should be a good addition to community obs then :D I'd really love to ssh my device using a .local domain | 12:39 |
| djszapi_ | abinader: I have tried during the summer, maybe Jun, but it was not a trivial task. You know, dependency hell.. | 12:39 |
| abinader | djszapi_: yep, I might take a look at it on the weekend | 12:39 |
| djszapi_ | but you are welcome to send a working package :) | 12:39 |
| dm8tbr | abinader: if you get it working submitting it to apps.formeego.org from OBS would be cool :) | 12:43 |
| abinader | dm8tbr: thanks for the info :) I'll surely look at it soon | 12:44 |
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| djszapi_ | abinader: I would not recommend that | 12:44 |
| djszapi_ | because many dependencies are not available there just in obs | 12:44 |
| djszapi_ | so you would feed apps.formeego.org with a broken package | 12:45 |
| dm8tbr | ah, right afo doesn't support dependencies yet | 12:45 |
| dm8tbr | djszapi_: it would fail community QA, so no broken package in index :) | 12:45 |
| djszapi_ | if it fails QA, what is the sense of putting there ? | 12:46 |
| djszapi_ | c-obs works just fine | 12:46 |
| dm8tbr | djszapi_: [ ] you understood what I meant | 12:46 |
| djszapi_ | I do not really understand what apps.formeego.org is any good for harmattan... | 12:46 |
| djszapi_ | it surely is good for meego, but as for Harmattan...not much addition... | 12:47 |
| dm8tbr | there are things that nokia store won't accept for one reason or the other | 12:47 |
| dm8tbr | and it's community driven | 12:47 |
| djszapi_ | like ? | 12:47 |
| dm8tbr | themes | 12:48 |
| djszapi_ | I meant to ask for what "one reason or the other" ? | 12:48 |
| dm8tbr | yes, nokia store does not accept theme packages for harmattan although it works quite well | 12:48 |
| djszapi_ | again, please tell me the reason... | 12:49 |
| dm8tbr | please go and ask nokia | 12:49 |
| dm8tbr | I don't know the reason, ktxbai | 12:49 |
| djszapi_ | well, if you do not know the reason, please do not argue :) | 12:49 |
| djszapi_ | in this stage, it may have been a simple user error with this argument. | 12:49 |
| dm8tbr | please don't insinuate that I don't know what I'm talking about | 12:50 |
| dm8tbr | I very well do, if you fail to understand what I'm telling you in clear and simple sentences that is not my problem. | 12:50 |
| djszapi_ | Could you please tell me what the reason is ? | 12:51 |
| dm8tbr | the reason for _what_? | 12:51 |
| djszapi_ | why such an application is not accepted in OVI store, and why it was not just a user error ? | 12:51 |
| dm8tbr | 10:49:20< dm8tbr> please go and ask nokia | 12:51 |
| djszapi_ | or bug anywhere else in the flow that can be fixed. | 12:51 |
| djszapi_ | so you do not know :)) | 12:52 |
| dm8tbr | I am not Nokia, so I don't know. their statement was 'Harmattan does not support themes' | 12:52 |
| dm8tbr | I have seen working theming on Harmattan, so... | 12:52 |
| djszapi_ | where are they writing that, paste the documentation ? | 12:52 |
| djszapi_ | or anything they wrote about that ? | 12:52 |
| dm8tbr | that was the answer from QA | 12:52 |
| dm8tbr | please accept what I'm telling you and stop questioning everything | 12:53 |
| dm8tbr | I do not intend to waste time on something like that | 12:53 |
| djszapi_ | sorry, but this is really a weak argument | 12:53 |
| djszapi_ | you say something that you cannot even prove | 12:53 |
| dm8tbr | I do not need to 'prove' anything in a casual conversation | 12:54 |
| djszapi_ | I do not need to take it seriously either if anybody says something without proving it. | 12:54 |
| djszapi_ | but I will walk to the OVI maintainer today and ask him about it, if he is available... | 12:55 |
| dm8tbr | you don't have to. still my statement remains: Nokia does not accept themes. you don't have to believe it. but I know it's true. | 12:55 |
| dm8tbr | please do. | 12:55 |
| dm8tbr | I have spoken to people, also within Nokia about it. | 12:55 |
| djszapi_ | so that what they said: "They do not accept themes" ? | 12:55 |
| djszapi_ | without mentioning any QA issue with the package ? | 12:56 |
| dm8tbr | 10:52:02< dm8tbr> I am not Nokia, so I don't know. their statement was 'Harmattan does not support themes' | 12:56 |
| dm8tbr | please ask matrixx for details | 12:56 |
| djszapi_ | that is all ? | 12:56 |
| frals | nokia store for n9 does not accept themes, that is correct | 13:01 |
| frals | because harmattan does not officially support themes | 13:01 |
| frals | and hacking something to make it work does not mean its officially supported, no | 13:01 |
| djszapi_ | that is indeed a better reasoning and more logical | 13:01 |
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| djszapi_ | yeah, unsupported stuff can go into the apps.formeego.org Note, they will not be able to act with some credentials either. | 13:04 |
| djszapi_ | so will better to test the application without the developer mode. | 13:06 |
| djszapi_ | be*, not developer account and so on since that might provide some false results. | 13:06 |
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| jonni | hmm, i though that booting to custom kernel is not possible when device lock code is active, but I guess I'm wrong... or time to write bug report :) | 13:08 |
| dm8tbr | you can't flash moslo if you have lock code on | 13:09 |
| dm8tbr | kernel loading over usb is a different thing | 13:10 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: could you please first discuss it with Denis on IRC ? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | jonni: that's normal | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be possible to load when device lock is active | 13:11 |
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| jonni | djszapi_: denis on which irc network? | 13:14 |
| djszapi_ | jonni internal | 13:15 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: until there is moslo for N9 it is the only way to also boot Nemo. If the user has e.g. MfE then he'd be now screwed unless he wipes harmattan completely every time. which kind of defeats dual boot. | 13:16 |
| dm8tbr | if there ever will be MOSLO for the N9 that is... | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | you can disable provisioning somewhere, afaik | 13:16 |
| jonni | ah that one, there is 3 internal irc's so it took some time :) | 13:16 |
| djszapi_ | really, 3 ? :) | 13:17 |
| djszapi_ | windows, iphone, android ? :) | 13:17 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: not threatening, it's ported but QML-ifying it is a pita and I broke it en-route | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - sorry - I wasn't putting 2+2 together. | 14:14 |
| lardman | I keep saying it'll be ready in 2 days time, but this time I really think it will be ;) | 14:14 |
| lardman | at least in some form :) | 14:14 |
| djszapi_ | lardman: what app ? | 14:15 |
| lardman | mBarcode | 14:16 |
| djszapi_ | zz_gri: xml files for services are not well defined...there is no central point of integration, i.e. presence-ui grabs information of it's interest from accounts db | 14:19 |
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| djszapi_ | about provisioning - it is not about devicelock, provisioning has to be disabled by the issuer anyone who is issuing provisioning, for example - mail for exchange. MfE - check 'non-provisionable device' in the settings and devicelock might be disabled. (if non-provisionable device is allowed by MfE server) | 14:57 |
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| arkenoi | that's funny | 15:00 |
| arkenoi | how can server *know* that device is truly provisionable and is not lying about it :-) | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | honestly though, if you work with confidential company data.. you should have provisioning and device lock on | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It's all a matter of trusses. | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have my company account(s) on my n950 for that reason | 15:02 |
| djszapi_ | it does not matter for him, if user tries to do 'non-provisionable' request - it is up to server decide what to do | 15:02 |
| djszapi_ | Stskeeps: exactly :) | 15:03 |
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| djszapi_ | radiofree: btw, if you wanna help with setting up an android target in scratchbox, you are welcome :) | 15:13 |
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| lardman | am I right in thinking that one can't add a Twitter account? | 15:14 |
| lardman | and also, is it possible to add a Skype account as a SIP account | 15:15 |
| lardman | ? | 15:15 |
| gri | djszapi_: I never played around with the .service files, only the .provider ones | 15:15 |
| djszapi_ | gri: already fixed | 15:16 |
| djszapi_ | gri: I got access all the accounts plugin codes, so :) | 15:16 |
| gri | djszapi_: Then you might give me a hint about how to set my credentials correctly? | 15:17 |
| djszapi_ | sorry ? | 15:18 |
| gri | djszapi_: http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=243 I had no clue where to file/ask that | 15:19 |
| djszapi_ | ahh no sorry | 15:19 |
| djszapi_ | I am busy with t he android target in scratchbox | 15:19 |
| gri | hmpf :( | 15:21 |
| gri | jonni: You said something about you can claim a package with nokia origin even if it's not ... can you give me a hint? Maybe my only problem is the origin | 15:22 |
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| jonni | have you tried without invoker? | 15:23 |
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| gri | jonni: without invoker everything works as expected | 15:24 |
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| djszapi_ | jonni: read his bugreport :) | 15:25 |
| jonni | there was atleast bug in qtcreator that it created bad booster apps skeleton, which will be fixed in 2.4 creator, so most likely already fixed | 15:26 |
| jonni | in future releases | 15:26 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: not really | 15:26 |
| djszapi_ | he tried to grab the _aegis file too | 15:26 |
| djszapi_ | which is way after qtcreator | 15:26 |
| jonni | well he said that without invoker it works, so he must have working aegis file | 15:27 |
| faenil | hi people :) | 15:27 |
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| gri | QtCreator 2.4 only does the step which is mentioned in the docs to get the app running with invoker | 15:27 |
| gri | it seems that works only for "nokia tokens" | 15:28 |
| gri | but not for custom ones | 15:28 |
| djszapi_ | why not get rid of the whole qtcreator crap ? | 15:28 |
| djszapi_ | for making sure ? | 15:28 |
| gri | I wrote the _aegis file by hand | 15:28 |
| djszapi_ | ooouch... | 15:28 |
| gri | (well, I copied the account-plugin-youtube one) | 15:28 |
| djszapi_ | that is probably error-prone a lot | 15:28 |
| djszapi_ | anyway, when there is a serious issue, in general: get rid of the qtcreator crap | 15:29 |
| gri | well it's not qtcreator since it works when I start the app without invoker | 15:29 |
| jonni | gri: have you checking restok.conf file about what credentials it shows in there after you instell your '' deb? | 15:30 |
| gri | jonni: moment, I can paste it .. it looks scary :) | 15:30 |
| gri | and different than the youtube one | 15:30 |
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| gri | OH NOOO | 15:32 |
| gri | again a reboot problem | 15:32 |
| gri | it seems the restok file looks completely different after a reboot | 15:33 |
| gri | and now it works | 15:33 |
| gri | (or my phone was behaving stupid) | 15:33 |
| gri | because now my tokens are listed under develsh's tokens | 15:34 |
| gri | before reboot they were not | 15:34 |
| gri | http://pastebin.com/jW2AD5Ys restok contents of correct installation | 15:35 |
| djszapi_ | I do not see the problem | 15:36 |
| djszapi_ | 15:29 < gri> well it's not qtcreator since it works when I start the app without invoker -> it is not that simple | 15:36 |
| djszapi_ | if qtcreator generates tricky file, it can happen like that | 15:36 |
| djszapi_ | get rid of the whole qtcreator stuff while debugging a serious issue | 15:36 |
| djszapi_ | it is very hard to say things when there is such an error-prone tool in the process | 15:36 |
| gri | I do not use qtcreator while debugging | 15:36 |
| djszapi_ | you made the package with that ? | 15:37 |
| gri | that, yes | 15:37 |
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| djszapi_ | get rid of using qtcreator | 15:37 |
| djszapi_ | when debugging a problem | 15:37 |
| djszapi_ | but anyway, it works for you as y ou said... | 15:38 |
| djszapi_ | so not sure I understand the problem | 15:38 |
| gri | I try now to reproduce it | 15:38 |
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| djszapi_ | actually, I will not help people using qtcreator | 15:38 |
| djszapi_ | for debugging an issue :) | 15:38 |
| gri | for now I think it is: package install -> app start = missing tokens; package install -> reboot -> app start = tokens are there | 15:38 |
| djszapi_ | well, if that is the case, you need to see the dpkg wrapper's output that credentials could not be granted.. | 15:39 |
| djszapi_ | seen those lines ? | 15:39 |
| djszapi_ | if not, this concept fails. | 15:39 |
| jonni | gri: atleast one problem in your manifest, you should also ask web2sms::sso-encryption-token for applauncherd.bin | 15:39 |
| gri | jonni: I just copied this from youtube :) I don't care about that token ... it's more that all web2sms::* tokens were missing | 15:40 |
| djszapi_ | well, he said, he replicated the youtube stuff | 15:40 |
| djszapi_ | so that should be no problem | 15:40 |
| gri | so now I uninstalled my app, phone is rebooting ... hopefully I can reproduce the case | 15:41 |
| djszapi_ | gri: why didn't you actually attach the package to the bugreport and a link to your source ? | 15:41 |
| gri | djszapi_: Never thought of that | 15:41 |
| djszapi_ | please do.... | 15:41 |
| djszapi_ | those are very important stuff | 15:41 |
| djszapi_ | right now, you did not even provide any reproducing steps | 15:41 |
| djszapi_ | so how do you expect any helps ? :) | 15:41 |
| djszapi_ | and guys, really, I would appreciate not publishing security holes in general | 15:42 |
| djszapi_ | try to talk it in private, keeping amongst 4 eyes and so on. | 15:43 |
| jonni | but what I can see the youtube stuff is not replicated 1:1, but if he is sure.... :) | 15:43 |
| djszapi_ | it happens continously, and I am close to reporting it... | 15:43 |
| gri | I can't reproduce it again ... | 15:44 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: http://paste.kde.org/151994/ | 15:44 |
| djszapi_ | this is what you copied, right ? | 15:44 |
| djszapi_ | gri: in general for future reference, it is important to attach files, and having exact steps to reproduce :) | 15:45 |
| djszapi_ | that is the entry of a bugreport :) | 15:45 |
| gri | djszapi_: it looks like that, yes | 15:45 |
| djszapi_ | mmm, Nokia account plugin is entirely in QML... | 15:45 |
| djszapi_ | and it has lot of custom functionalities | 15:45 |
| jonni | gri: maybe http://paste.kde.org/152000/ | 15:46 |
| jonni | as far as I can see after that patch it would match the youtube one | 15:47 |
| gri | jonni: you're right but that's not the problem | 15:47 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: that is not the problem | 15:47 |
| gri | I am able to reproduce it now | 15:47 |
| djszapi_ | jonni his other credential is also dropped | 15:47 |
| gri | I uninstalled my package, rebooted phone and installed it again -> start via invoker: missing web2sms::* credentials | 15:48 |
| gri | I bet if I reboot now and start it again, they are there | 15:48 |
| djszapi_ | no errors during the installation ? | 15:48 |
| gri | no | 15:48 |
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| djszapi_ | how about if you leave the reboot step out ? | 15:48 |
| gri | installation: http://pastebin.com/eWBc4n9g | 15:49 |
| djszapi_ | is that a dominant step in this process ? | 15:49 |
| gri | it seems | 15:49 |
| gri | without reboot I don't get my credentials from invoker | 15:49 |
| djszapi_ | so if you reboot, it works ? | 15:49 |
| gri | let me try again .. :) *waits* | 15:49 |
| djszapi_ | so the situation is that you need to make a reboot after every single (re)installation ? | 15:49 |
| gri | I hope not for reinstallation, only for initial one | 15:50 |
| djszapi_ | anyway, upload the package pls ... | 15:51 |
| gri | moment | 15:52 |
| gri | yep, after reboot I have my web2sms::* tokens and my AID | 15:53 |
| gri | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4691970/web2sms_0.2.1_armel.deb package is here | 15:54 |
| djszapi_ | try reinstall | 15:54 |
| gri | moment | 15:54 |
| djszapi_ | install --reinstall | 15:54 |
| djszapi_ | upload it to the bugreport is what I meant to ask for :) | 15:54 |
| djszapi_ | others can also investigate.. | 15:54 |
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| gri | after reinstall I also have the tokens | 15:56 |
| djszapi_ | uninstall, install ? | 15:56 |
| djszapi_ | c-obs down for anybody else ? | 15:57 |
| djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | probably just busy, pushed a new mer release to it | 15:58 |
| gri | uninstall and install again also has the tokens | 15:58 |
| djszapi_ | uninstall, reboot, install then ? | 15:58 |
| gri | that's what I tried before | 15:59 |
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| gri | leads to having no tokens anymore | 15:59 |
| gri | I can do it again if you want :) | 15:59 |
| djszapi_ | yes, please do | 15:59 |
| djszapi_ | you did once above | 15:59 |
| djszapi_ | let us try to reproduce it more to get it clearly. | 15:59 |
| djszapi_ | Stskeeps: so does it load for you ? | 16:04 |
| gri | djszapi_: uninstall, reboot, install = no tokens, no AID | 16:07 |
| djszapi_ | gri: I see, I will check the aegis-validator.. | 16:07 |
| gri | I atleast can now write the bug report more clearly | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi_: seems not | 16:08 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: it does sound like same invoker policy. | 16:15 |
| djszapi_ | X-Fade lbt c-obs is down | 16:15 |
| gri | djszapi_: I assume it's because the package is installed while applauncher is still running? | 16:15 |
| djszapi_ | I have zero clue | 16:16 |
| djszapi_ | have you tried behind develsh ? | 16:16 |
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| gri | I could also try with kicking applauncherd and restart it | 16:16 |
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| djszapi_ | yes, and please try develsh | 16:17 |
| djszapi_ | since it is a similar process running your stuff | 16:17 |
| gri | Did it | 16:17 |
| djszapi_ | results ? | 16:17 |
| gri | I have one develsh instance that was started before package installation: accli -I returns no web2sms tokens | 16:18 |
| gri | the second one has them | 16:18 |
| gri | so it's the same with applauncher: it's simply not restarted, tokens are not changed for running processes | 16:18 |
| djszapi_ | second what ? | 16:18 |
| djszapi_ | second develsh, or accli command ? | 16:18 |
| djszapi_ | accli command ? | 16:18 |
| djszapi_ | because it confirms me then | 16:18 |
| gri | second instance of develsh, which I created after package installation | 16:18 |
| djszapi_ | right | 16:19 |
| djszapi_ | let me look into the dpkg wrapper code... | 16:19 |
| djszapi_ | perly stuff, be patient :) | 16:19 |
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| lbt | djszapi_: thanks... looking | 16:21 |
| djszapi_ | gri: okay, I found the issue | 16:22 |
| djszapi_ | and it is actually a known bug | 16:22 |
| djszapi_ | not aegis bug though... | 16:22 |
| gri | workaround available? | 16:22 |
| djszapi_ | not really... | 16:23 |
| djszapi_ | restart the stuff | 16:23 |
| djszapi_ | the problem is that, applauncher uses for instance fork | 16:23 |
| djszapi_ | it grabs the credential during the starting... | 16:23 |
| djszapi_ | and then it does not do any execS | 16:23 |
| djszapi_ | fork of course is not an option for getting modifications regarding the crds | 16:23 |
| djszapi_ | creds* | 16:23 |
| gri | so I have to force my users to reboot the phone after they downloaded the app from ovi ... cool :D | 16:24 |
| djszapi_ | I wish this was the biggest issue ever... | 16:24 |
| djszapi_ | but at any rate, fork is a really bad and nasty stuff for credentials. | 16:25 |
| djszapi_ | in any aspect ever | 16:25 |
| djszapi_ | so blame the guys doing forks. | 16:25 |
| djszapi_ | and it is not even aegis, it is even upstream policy. | 16:25 |
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| tomyri | is there any dunny/fake network interface for harmattan? | 16:25 |
| gri | ok so that bug is already in your internal bugtracker? Then I will delete mine | 16:26 |
| djszapi_ | gri: 99 % of the reports are waste of time | 16:26 |
| djszapi_ | like this | 16:26 |
| djszapi_ | poort bugreport, 1-2 hours gone, and known bug caught half a year ago or even more :) | 16:26 |
| djszapi_ | you can understand why we do not have time for these public bugs... | 16:26 |
| djszapi_ | lbt works, thanks. :) | 16:27 |
| gri | djszapi_: my bug was more about "you should tell in the docs how to do that correctly" | 16:27 |
| djszapi_ | it was ? | 16:27 |
| gri | not to understand like that | 16:27 |
| gri | but my initial intention was to write it like that since I thought I am too dumb to understand how this works | 16:28 |
| gri | since they mention it in the docs I assumed it works or was tested | 16:28 |
| djszapi_ | ofc it was | 16:28 |
| djszapi_ | I bet the applauncher even writes how it works. | 16:28 |
| djszapi_ | if not, that is applauncher doc problem | 16:29 |
| djszapi_ | we /do/ write forks is a sloppy thingy | 16:29 |
| djszapi_ | no creds mod. | 16:29 |
| djszapi_ | so I am afraid, the security part is completely correct | 16:29 |
| gri | djszapi_: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/aegis.html | 16:29 |
| djszapi_ | we cannot document how the externals work. | 16:29 |
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| gri | this site should atleast have a line with "warning: you have to reboot the phone" | 16:29 |
| djszapi_ | no | 16:29 |
| djszapi_ | not at all | 16:30 |
| djszapi_ | trouble shoot is a different section | 16:30 |
| djszapi_ | never really part of the intended technical documentation | 16:30 |
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| djszapi_ | and the trouble shoot should be provided by the guys doing the nasty forks. | 16:30 |
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| djszapi_ | security framework does not know the internals of the applauncher | 16:30 |
| djszapi_ | or X app | 16:30 |
| djszapi_ | it provides you how to get creds | 16:31 |
| djszapi_ | if the app fails to get it right, the app should document it | 16:31 |
| gri | the reader of the docs does not see a difference | 16:31 |
| djszapi_ | never really mix the security framework with applications | 16:31 |
| djszapi_ | security framework is a platform | 16:31 |
| djszapi_ | security framework does not see a different either | 16:32 |
| djszapi_ | that is the point | 16:32 |
| djszapi_ | I, as a user: huh ? Invoker sucks ? Go to the invoker documentation, not security | 16:32 |
| djszapi_ | or troubleshoot | 16:32 |
| gri | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/tipsandtricks.html?tab=3&q=launcher&sp=all | 16:32 |
| gri | no word inside "known issues" | 16:33 |
| djszapi_ | Forking | 16:33 |
| djszapi_ | It is not possible to use MComponentCache or MDeclarativeCache in the child process if you fork() in your application. This is due to the fact that X11 connections are disrupted after fork(). | 16:33 |
| djszapi_ | they should document it here. | 16:33 |
| djszapi_ | under "Limitations and known issues' | 16:33 |
| djszapi_ | such things are separate sections, not at zillion pages separately. | 16:34 |
| gri | ok, so I'll file a documentation enhancement for this section | 16:34 |
| timakima | i have quite interesting issue with my friends n9. can't install developer mode because it looks like packages are broken. and since they are in apt cache i can't remove the old packages and fetch new | 16:34 |
| timakima | any ideas what to do? tried to google already | 16:35 |
| djszapi_ | gri: nobody cares, but you can do :) | 16:35 |
| djszapi_ | imho, the issue should be fixed, not the documentation. | 16:35 |
| timakima | i can see the terminal app icon during developer mode installation, but after it fails it gets removed | 16:35 |
| gri | djszapi_: Sure but the doc writer can prevent many more people falling into that trap | 16:35 |
| djszapi_ | why ? | 16:35 |
| djszapi_ | They should fix it for the next release | 16:36 |
| djszapi_ | they should concentrate on that | 16:36 |
| djszapi_ | not how to document the crap | 16:36 |
| gri | they should do both | 16:36 |
| lbt | OK... yep - seems to be back | 16:36 |
| djszapi_ | and as it is a known bug, they have been already working on it | 16:36 |
| gri | document it until the update is out | 16:36 |
| djszapi_ | no | 16:36 |
| djszapi_ | public doc will not change until the release. | 16:36 |
| gri | didn't it change several times? | 16:36 |
| djszapi_ | and if you give a bit better and more precise bugreport, I would have said, it has been a known issue for a while | 16:36 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: after the releases. | 16:37 |
| gri | djszapi_: I was not able to give you more detailed information since I did not know about the reboot thingy | 16:37 |
| gri | I changed the language of my phone in the bus this morning, that's why it rebooted :) | 16:37 |
| djszapi_ | and again, they are actually writing the forking. | 16:37 |
| djszapi_ | security writes about what the consequence of working | 16:37 |
| djszapi_ | so 2 sentences from the two places, and done | 16:38 |
| djszapi_ | forking* | 16:38 |
| djszapi_ | I hope it is fixed for the next release. | 16:38 |
| gri | " initctl restart xsession/applauncherd" in postinst fixes it :) | 16:39 |
| djszapi_ | lbt: connect to store-vlan60.pub.in.meego.com:5352: Connection refused -> mmm | 16:40 |
| djszapi_ | good to know | 16:40 |
| djszapi_ | yes, I said you do not need to reboot | 16:40 |
| djszapi_ | it is not a kernel die :) | 16:40 |
| djszapi_ | you rarely need a reboot on linux | 16:40 |
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| gri | that's why I never tried it for the bug report | 16:41 |
| djszapi_ | though, I would write out a message, "Restart applauncherd" or so | 16:42 |
| gri | So I only need to find out how to renew icon cache ... executing /usr/bin/imgcachegen results in access violation :) | 16:43 |
| djszapi_ | sorry ? | 16:44 |
| djszapi_ | why not just use absolute paths ? | 16:44 |
| gri | does not work for .provider file | 16:44 |
| djszapi_ | please give a precise issue then | 16:44 |
| djszapi_ | some provider file, some imgcachegen | 16:44 |
| djszapi_ | not sure what it means, if not the general applauncher icon | 16:44 |
| gri | If I put a absolute path in my .provider file (which shows up in "accounts"), the icon won't be visible | 16:45 |
| djszapi_ | anyway, I am off to my hecking | 16:45 |
| djszapi_ | so another case, where aegis was not a problem :) | 16:46 |
| gri | I didn't say it's all aegis' fault :) | 16:47 |
| djszapi_ | 95% not | 16:47 |
| djszapi_ | well, 98-99% | 16:47 |
| gri | more accurate please :D | 16:49 |
| djszapi_ | :p | 16:49 |
| djszapi_ | Stskeeps: yes, Mer builds pretty much use 70-80% of the workers :p | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi_: not Mer, but Mer-based | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | Mer builds elsewhere | 16:56 |
| djszapi_ | actually Mer + CE | 16:57 |
| djszapi_ | Mer_Core_* and CE_* | 16:57 |
| djszapi_ | ok | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's "build against Mer" | 16:57 |
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| djszapi_ | Stskeeps: so where do you build Mer ? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi_: i have a server we call the mer CI server, where the continous integration goes on | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | so it's just doing QA checks and general release building there | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | no user accounts as it's well, just a builder | 17:04 |
| djszapi_ | if I am trying to swipe away the windows of my game, my application is closed instead of just being in the background. What can cause such a behavior ? | 17:11 |
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| gri | djszapi_: when swiping from any direction? | 17:13 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: just only if I swipe to right | 17:15 |
| djszapi_ | so I move my hand to the left :) | 17:15 |
| djszapi_ | right* | 17:16 |
| djszapi_ | meh, I got it confused | 17:16 |
| djszapi_ | left is the right direction :) | 17:16 |
| djszapi_ | if I keep it in portrait mode | 17:16 |
| gri | hmm ok ... it's very confusing how the "swipe down to close" behaves | 17:17 |
| gri | for example if you have a portrait-locked application and hold your phone in landscape, swiping down (which is right to left for the application) closes it | 17:17 |
| djszapi_ | it is getting weird... | 17:17 |
| djszapi_ | it closes only in landscape mode by swiping down | 17:18 |
| gri | so if you lie in bed and swipe from right to left, your apps shut down :D | 17:18 |
| djszapi_ | but that is expected | 17:18 |
| djszapi_ | okay, so it works as expected | 17:18 |
| gri | "swipe down to close" seems to ignore whether the application supports portrait or landscape at all | 17:19 |
| djszapi_ | works for me. | 17:19 |
| gri | open calculator | 17:20 |
| gri | rotate phone to landscape | 17:20 |
| gri | swipe down -> it closes | 17:20 |
| djszapi_ | so what is the way of locking the screen in every aspect after starting the game on the QGLWidget ? | 17:20 |
| gri | even though it does not support landscape | 17:20 |
| djszapi_ | yes, that is basically the same with my game | 17:21 |
| djszapi_ | my game does not support portrait | 17:21 |
| djszapi_ | gof2 locks the screen somehow | 17:22 |
| djszapi_ | Hence, I guess I should figure out what the Galaxy of Fire 2 uses for locking... | 17:22 |
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| matrixx | has anyone had such issues with camera that the images are very low quality? | 17:26 |
| matrixx | on N950 | 17:26 |
| matrixx | I'm quite sure I'm not imagining, but they are far worse than they were when I got the device | 17:27 |
| Jare_ | the swipe down behaviour will be updated in pr1.2: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222. I don't know, if they have changed anything regarding the orientation locked apps though.. | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | matrixx: pics? | 17:28 |
| matrixx | I can take one | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know what you mean by very low quality. | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not noticed bad quality myself. | 17:30 |
| matrixx | it's blurry | 17:30 |
| matrixx | the seeker itself already shows very noisy | 17:30 |
| matrixx | even with decent lighting | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | The front or back cam? | 17:31 |
| matrixx | back | 17:31 |
| Jare_ | maybe your lens is dirty ;)) | 17:31 |
| matrixx | hehe | 17:31 |
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| matrixx | hmm, ofcourse in current conditions I can't repro it | 17:32 |
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| dm8tbr | matrixx: low light conditions are poison for the camera module used. it needs really good lighting | 17:33 |
| vladest | dm8tbr: agree, btw | 17:34 |
| matrixx | dm8tbr: apparently yes, need to follow in try out its limits :) | 17:34 |
| * DocSalarySlave idly wonders when we'll see the first howto for a true hard reset with removing battery for 60s | 17:34 | |
| matrixx | decent is not apparently enough | 17:34 |
| * dm8tbr had some 'fun' when filming his LiveView experiments | 17:34 | |
| matrixx | hehe | 17:34 |
| dm8tbr | the OLED screen was very bright and made the camera logic go haywire | 17:35 |
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| dm8tbr | had to play with exposure and some other parameters to get it semi-decent | 17:35 |
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| dm8tbr | DocSalarySlave: thankfully the 10s press seems to work rather reliably for the device | 17:36 |
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| matrixx | SpeedEvil: I've been trying to download simple mirror from the store to try out front camera, but haven't been able to do it | 17:37 |
| matrixx | my store installation seems to be broken _again_, sigh | 17:37 |
| matrixx | it basically does nothing when I press the download button :( | 17:38 |
| dm8tbr | matrixx: does it show if you are logged on? | 17:38 |
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| dm8tbr | matrixx: does the device ask for passwords after boot? | 17:38 |
| matrixx | hmm, apparently I'm not logged in, and even can't log in :D | 17:39 |
| matrixx | maybe I'll try to reboot | 17:39 |
| dm8tbr | mhm, sounds like storage corruption | 17:39 |
| matrixx | crap, sounds bad | 17:40 |
| dm8tbr | it's a known bug that under certain conditions SSO credential storage goes south | 17:40 |
| dm8tbr | someone mentined it here | 17:40 |
| matrixx | it could explain why I'm asked my email password also from time to time | 17:40 |
| matrixx | though the email now works fine | 17:40 |
| matrixx | otherwise | 17:40 |
| dm8tbr | matrixx: probably after every reboot, especially if it's MfE | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | My twitter account still won't auth - though ovi works now. | 17:41 |
| matrixx | dm8tbr: no it's randomly without reboot | 17:41 |
| Jare_ | how is this Search app supposed to work? Yes, i can find a single message i'm searching for, but opening it will open a message thread showing the latest message from that contact and not the message i was searching for | 17:42 |
| Jare_ | there's no way i'm going to manually scroll that thread, when it has hundreds of messages in it | 17:42 |
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| vladest | btw, where is pr1.2 for 950? | 17:44 |
| djszapi_ | xD | 17:44 |
| djszapi_ | inside Nokia, I guess ? | 17:44 |
| Corsac | Jare_: there's a bug for that | 17:45 |
| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: ugh, I think I have that too | 17:45 |
| Corsac | Jare_: wait a sec | 17:45 |
| djszapi_ | Corsac: so do you have an idea for "-lm" patch | 17:45 |
| matrixx | got ovi working after reboot | 17:46 |
| Corsac | Jare_: http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=124 | 17:46 |
| matrixx | though now I had to login back to all other services too | 17:46 |
| Corsac | djszapi_: everything is in the gnome-devel mail I pasted | 17:46 |
| Corsac | or in the followup | 17:46 |
| djszapi_ | Corsac: sorry ? | 17:46 |
| Corsac | djszapi_: basically you just add a check for LM in configure.ac so -lm gets added to the link flags | 17:46 |
| Jare_ | Corsac: ok, thanks | 17:47 |
| Corsac | djszapi_: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-August/msg00236.html and followup | 17:47 |
| djszapi_ | Corsac: It was not nice of Matthias | 17:49 |
| djszapi_ | he broke many softwares for many people | 17:49 |
| Corsac | agreed | 17:50 |
| djszapi_ | also, we do not use auto* stuff | 17:50 |
| djszapi_ | they are just ... well scary ;) | 17:50 |
| djszapi_ | so cmake and qmake generates the makefile | 17:50 |
| djszapi_ | so I guess we need to patch the CMakeLists.txt or the *.pro | 17:51 |
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| djszapi_ | weird, he did not get any negative feedbacks for breaking the stuff | 17:52 |
| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: fix for twitter connect problem: http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/N9-Sorry-can-t-connect-to-twitter/m-p/1203447#M28791 | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | neat | 17:52 |
| frals | recursive unset on /system/osso sounds like a pretty dumb idea | 17:57 |
| djszapi_ | gri: ping | 17:58 |
| djszapi_ | gri: is there a documentation about the libaccounts-ui ? The available is quite dry | 17:59 |
| gri | djszapi_: Not really ... | 17:59 |
| gri | I found only the unfinished one on gitorious | 17:59 |
| djszapi_ | I have luckily access to the internal stuff | 17:59 |
| djszapi_ | this is something you should file a doc bug against | 17:59 |
| gri | does the internal one have more contents? | 18:00 |
| djszapi_ | since I have never seen external one, I do not know... | 18:00 |
| djszapi_ | care to paste the link ? | 18:00 |
| gri | moment | 18:00 |
| djszapi_ | I mean not the source code for sure | 18:01 |
| gri | https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/libaccounts-ui/trees/master/lib/doc/src | 18:02 |
| gri | it's only two files, so not much to see | 18:02 |
| gri | or three | 18:02 |
| gri | and also this one: https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/libaccountsetup/blobs/master/doc/src/introduction.dox | 18:02 |
| djszapi_ | well, it is the published accounts-qt doc ... | 18:03 |
| dm8tbr | http://blog.mardy.it/2011/08/meego-accounts-single-sign-on-project.html - that might also have some info | 18:03 |
| djszapi_ | gri: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/accounts-qt/main.html?tab=1 | 18:03 |
| gri | djszapi_: That is accounts-qt | 18:03 |
| djszapi_ | gri: exactly | 18:04 |
| djszapi_ | the same doc as in your link... | 18:04 |
| gri | I don't see "Writing Account plugins" | 18:04 |
| gri | but it was there I remember | 18:05 |
| dm8tbr | you could always ask mardy? | 18:05 |
| djszapi_ | gri: only the third file is actually related. | 18:05 |
| gri | I did that's why my code works now :P | 18:05 |
| djszapi_ | gri: and no, that is not even internal, so it is better than the internal :) | 18:05 |
| gri | djszapi_: https://cwiki.nokia.com/AccountmgtL I want access to this :D | 18:05 |
| djszapi_ | dm8tbr: that page has nothing to write about libaccounts-ui | 18:06 |
| * djszapi_ dislikes firefox | 18:07 | |
| djszapi_ | gri: lol I do not even have access to that page | 18:07 |
| djszapi_ | why would you like to have access to that ? | 18:07 |
| gri | djszapi_: since the link to it has "Accounts and SSO Wiki" as label | 18:07 |
| gri | might contain more information .. or less :) | 18:08 |
| djszapi_ | anyway, the introduction you pasted is the accounts-qt | 18:08 |
| djszapi_ | so kinda weird :) | 18:08 |
| djszapi_ | only the third-file is an addition | 18:08 |
| djszapi_ | and I do not see that internally :p | 18:08 |
| djszapi_ | oh sorry, we have the intro internally, and the other stuff | 18:09 |
| djszapi_ | sure, file a bug against it | 18:09 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: we need to have it on the documentation page, and not in a git repository anyway | 18:15 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: so are there common pitfalls for this accounts plugin thingie ? | 18:34 |
| gri | depends on what you define as pitfalls | 18:35 |
| gri | nothing serious | 18:35 |
| djszapi_ | sucky thingy :) | 18:35 |
| gri | no, that not | 18:35 |
| gri | you just have to read the docs: values by accounts-qt are not stored until you call sync() so calling setValue("something", "5") does not result in value("something") returns "5" | 18:36 |
| gri | you have to delete Identity credentials yourself at account removal | 18:37 |
| djszapi_ | yeah, have read those | 18:37 |
| djszapi_ | but that is just for the client anyway | 18:37 |
| djszapi_ | that is not the accounts plugin itself. | 18:37 |
| gri | the account plugin itself (atleast mine) is nothing different than a client | 18:37 |
| gri | your file should be at /usr/lib/AccountSetup/<providerid>plugin to be executed by the accounts-ui | 18:39 |
| djszapi_ | it is | 18:39 |
| djszapi_ | accounts plugin use libaccounts-ui | 18:39 |
| djszapi_ | not directly accounts-qt | 18:39 |
| djszapi_ | and libaccountssetup for sure | 18:39 |
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| gri | sure, I used accounts-qt since I made a qml ui | 18:39 |
| gri | if you do mtf, you can use libaccounts-ui | 18:39 |
| djszapi_ | since it is quite non-portable thing anyway | 18:40 |
| djszapi_ | MTF is a good choice | 18:40 |
| gri | yep for me it was a no-go :) | 18:40 |
| djszapi_ | the Nokia accounts stuff is also written in QML imho | 18:41 |
| gri | since my accounts-ui loads .qml dialogs as plugins (every web2sms account has a different ui for setting up the account) | 18:41 |
| gri | and I wanted to make sure even the most stupid coder is able to extend it by just knowing qml :) | 18:42 |
| djszapi_ | and have time to send patches against qt-components... | 18:42 |
| gri | for common usage qt-components is ok | 18:42 |
| djszapi_ | huh ? | 18:42 |
| djszapi_ | you have seen my last patch :) | 18:42 |
| djszapi_ | I would not say ListItem is not a common usage with non-hardcoded stuff :) | 18:43 |
| gri | yes, but those things can be patched and workarounded | 18:43 |
| gri | they do not prevent you from finishing your application | 18:43 |
| djszapi_ | just annoying I need to have a local copy... | 18:44 |
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| djszapi_ | I still have my fremantle workarounds, like for 1.5 years ? | 18:44 |
| gri | as long as they work :) | 18:45 |
| djszapi_ | meh :D | 18:45 |
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| gri | I wonder who had the idea to have a libdeclarative.so for controlpanel which just takes xml files that do not even support localization - or am I wrong with this? Can I load .qml files with this plugin? Can I localize the xml files? :) | 18:47 |
| djszapi_ | why not ? | 18:48 |
| djszapi_ | the content is displayed on the Ui, so should be localizable. | 18:49 |
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| gri | oh damn | 18:49 |
| gri | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libduicontrolpanel/declarativeplugins.html | 18:49 |
| gri | yeah, scrolling down is a hard thing | 18:49 |
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| merlin1991 | gri: you could also write a binary plugin ;) | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | the provider file is quite simple | 18:50 |
| gri | merlin1991: that's always possible but I was looking for a solution to use only .qml files which does not seem to be possible | 18:50 |
| gri | I will go for the unrecommended external applet :) | 18:52 |
| djszapi_ | I am about to write a FindHarmattan.cmake module. What would the best file for identification it is the Harmattan platform ? | 18:54 |
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| djszapi_ | lbt does the harmattan target use the harmattan-beta3 Nokia repo ? http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/ | 19:06 |
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| lbt | djszapi_: you'd have to ask X-Fade | 19:06 |
| djszapi_ | ok | 19:07 |
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| djszapi_ | so what is problematic about writing an XMPP/Jabber plugin ? | 19:10 |
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| gri | I think you also have to create the telepathy account but I don't know for sure | 19:16 |
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| djszapi_ | sorry ? | 19:16 |
| djszapi_ | gabble as the c. manager is available just fine | 19:16 |
| djszapi_ | what else needed from the telepathy side ? | 19:16 |
| gri | nothing, that should work | 19:17 |
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| gri | I was thinking about something else not related ... ignore it :P | 19:17 |
| djszapi_ | I mean it should not be hard | 19:17 |
| djszapi_ | people would like to have it here, so they could do it easily. | 19:18 |
| gri | adding a gabble plugin should work with a .provider file without any accountsetup plugin - tried this once but failed | 19:19 |
| gri | atleast I thought the generic plugin would handle that | 19:19 |
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| djszapi_ | should be simple | 19:20 |
| djszapi_ | gri: btw, do you have time and sake for testing the gluon player ? | 19:20 |
| djszapi_ | from the community repository, it is basically two pages. | 19:20 |
| gri | give me the apt-get line :) | 19:20 |
| djszapi_ | apt-get install gluonplayer | 19:22 |
| djszapi_ | and maybe apt-get install gluon-games | 19:22 |
| djszapi_ | to actually get games as well :) | 19:22 |
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| djszapi_ | imho, the Invaders game works only. Others use too much texture memory for this stuff | 19:25 |
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| djszapi_ | and it is not even possible to control atm from N9 without kb. | 19:25 |
| gri | poor download speed | 19:30 |
| gri | 65 kb/s .. | 19:30 |
| gri | ah | 19:31 |
| djszapi_ | btw, do not blame if it bricks your device... | 19:31 |
| gri | only the output was wrong :) | 19:31 |
| djszapi_ | so just on your own warranty... | 19:31 |
| gri | well, I have to reflash soon anyway | 19:31 |
| djszapi_ | someone told few days ago the kdelibs package broke his device, he was not even able to re-flash lol | 19:31 |
| gri | I created so many identities with wrong credentials where I don't have the credentials to delete them :) | 19:31 |
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| gri | would still have the n9 as secondary device | 19:32 |
| gri | no desktop icon? | 19:32 |
| djszapi_ | oh yes, you can play Space Invaders with your N950 definitely. | 19:32 |
| djszapi_ | there /is/ | 19:32 |
| djszapi_ | it should install libgluon-data | 19:33 |
| djszapi_ | did it not install that ? | 19:33 |
| djszapi_ | separate data package for icons and desktop file. | 19:33 |
| gri | no | 19:33 |
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| djszapi_ | well do it then | 19:33 |
| djszapi_ | I will add it as a dependency. | 19:33 |
| gri | black screen start up, nothing happens | 19:34 |
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| djszapi_ | for Invaders ? | 19:35 |
| djszapi_ | for Ball and Apocalypse, expected, that is | 19:35 |
| gri | "Gluon Player" nothing happens | 19:36 |
| gri | no ui at all | 19:36 |
| gri | qrc:/main.qml:21:1: module "com.nokia.meego" version 1.1 is not installed | 19:36 |
| gri | we still run on 1.0 | 19:36 |
| gri | I don't have a self compiled qt-components | 19:36 |
| djszapi_ | no 1.1 ? o_o | 19:37 |
| djszapi_ | shall I use 1.0 then ? | 19:37 |
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| djszapi_ | I thought it is available recently. | 19:37 |
| gri | use 1.0, yes | 19:38 |
| djszapi_ | that is sad ... | 19:38 |
| djszapi_ | you have QtQuick 1.1 right ? | 19:38 |
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| gri | yes | 19:39 |
| djszapi_ | right.... | 19:41 |
| djszapi_ | please wait 2 hours until I get the changes through c-obs.. | 19:41 |
| gri | :D | 19:42 |
| djszapi_ | I hope my app will work with 1.0, too | 19:42 |
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| ZogG_N9 | hello | 20:00 |
| ZogG_N9 | ~ping | 20:01 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:01 |
| ZogG_N9 | hmm, just noone talking =) | 20:01 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: can you do it again: apt-get install --reinstall gluon-games ? with all its dependencies for sure... | 20:59 |
| djszapi_ | meh, wait 10 minutes, obs did not still publish it | 20:59 |
| gri | no version update? | 20:59 |
| djszapi_ | no it will not have any version update | 21:00 |
| djszapi_ | it is gonna be the same snapshot version (day) | 21:00 |
| djszapi_ | so you need to uninstall the gluon packages first | 21:00 |
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| npm_ | where is the height of the system status bar defined? | 21:25 |
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| npm_ | and if I guess "35" pixels would I be wrong with some customization or different region? | 21:36 |
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| berndhs | npm_: 35 will be wrong as soon as you hard code it to 35 | 21:38 |
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| npm | berndhs: yeah i know that's why i was hoping for a better answer | 21:39 |
| npm | "worksforme" ? | 21:39 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: so can you try to reinstall it now ? | 21:50 |
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| gri | djszapi_: same error | 21:50 |
| djszapi_ | X-Fade ping, is there a bug in c-obs publishing if the version is the same like previosuly ? | 21:50 |
| gri | I uninstalled including all libs | 21:50 |
| djszapi_ | gri: when did you reinstall, right now ? | 21:50 |
| gri | cleared apt cache | 21:50 |
| gri | 5 minutes ago | 21:50 |
| djszapi_ | c-obs fails again | 21:50 |
| djszapi_ | actually, I do not see the modification on the data | 21:50 |
| djszapi_ | date* | 21:50 |
| djszapi_ | but the package was clearly rebuilt. | 21:51 |
| djszapi_ | so I think if it is the same version like earlier, it ignores the publishing | 21:51 |
| djszapi_ | and that is a bad practice imho | 21:51 |
| gri | maemo autobuilder also did this | 21:51 |
| djszapi_ | this sucks as hell | 21:51 |
| djszapi_ | anyway, I will bump the version then... | 21:52 |
| djszapi_ | but this is really annoying | 21:52 |
| djszapi_ | reporting a bug to c-obs... | 21:53 |
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| djszapi_ | probably an entire OBS bug though | 21:53 |
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| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/voicetogoog/voicetogoog-FTW.png :-) | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:22 |
| npm | i'm sure it'll be off the home row and shuffled elsewhere, but i had to capture the moment | 22:25 |
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| vadimq | I'm poking around on the phone, what is /etc/aegis/nosigcheck? It says "Check ignored if RDC present". What's RDC? | 22:36 |
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| messerting | Is there a RSS feed I can subscribe to that gives all new apps in the OVI store for the N9 (but filters out all those crappy RSS feed "apps" that are spamming the store)? | 22:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | vadimq: RDC are nokia internal development certs, with more permissions. | 22:48 |
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| djszapi_ | gri: I bumped the version, and still no publishing :/ | 22:54 |
| djszapi_ | I have no more clue... | 22:54 |
| gri | the publishing is not a cron job? :D | 22:56 |
| djszapi_ | no real clue involved. | 22:57 |
| djszapi_ | many packages were rebuilt today, and actually none of them were published apart from the early gluon | 22:57 |
| djszapi_ | X-Fade ping, take a look ? ^ | 22:58 |
| gri | djszapi_: Could it be that the applauncher restart quits some processes? | 22:58 |
| djszapi_ | I am not an applauncher developer, sorry | 22:58 |
| gri | When I download my package with the n9 via browser and install it, all visible applications are closed after installation :P | 22:59 |
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| djszapi_ | well, that is why I have a KDE repository | 23:02 |
| djszapi_ | but sadly, users cannot pick up the deps from the community repository for a reason | 23:02 |
| djszapi_ | not really sure why... I had the impression if both are added, it is ok | 23:02 |
| djszapi_ | should be the same situation like the Nokia repository + the community obs | 23:03 |
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| gri | they should have introduced a preinstalled repository like the n900 had :( | 23:03 |
| gri | since ovi does only accept one package it really sucks | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | it works like that everywhere on the planet | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | it is not ovi special. | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | well, preinstalled c-obs would not really aid me many times | 23:04 |
| gri | It would be good that ovi applications should share some code if some of their dependencies come from repositories | 23:05 |
| gri | for example qml wrappers of certain classes | 23:05 |
| djszapi_ | dream world ? :) | 23:05 |
| gri | yes ... | 23:06 |
| djszapi_ | I think dreaming is an important part of the life. | 23:06 |
| gri | my dreams could atleast give me hints for christmas presents ... so they would be useful | 23:07 |
| npm | feels traitorous and watches deadmau5 nokia lumia event | 23:07 |
| djszapi_ | so anybody with debian repository setting experience is welcome to help, why it can happen, deps are not picked up from other repository, if my repository does not provide them | 23:07 |
| npm | and for such an expensive broadcast, the sound really sucks (good thing i've got a nice rack of DSP's to make it sound better again) | 23:07 |
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