IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2011-08-03

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RST38hfiferboy: no, I simply could not found a way to do it, syntactically00:00
fiferboyRST38h: My Qt/QML interaction has been solely model, signal, and slot so far00:00
fiferboyI know it is _technically_ supposed to be possbile to work QML in with QWidgets00:01
RST38hWell, my stuff is a little bit more ... involved00:01
RST38hand there is a lot of devil in the details00:01
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fiferboyRST38h: Yeah, I take it you won't be writing emulators in raw QML anytime soon ;)00:01
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javispedroRST38h: you are running the qt mainloop in the emus?00:02
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fiferboyRST38h: I take it you have seen this aritcle:
fiferboyLooks like adding the declarative view to a Qt layout is the way to go00:03
RST38hjavispedro: yes00:03
RST38hjavispedro: via QCoreApplication::processEvents()00:03
fiferboyThe other way is graphicsview, but I have no experience with that00:04
RST38hfiferboy: aha00:04
javispedroRST38h: changing the way you render to the screen? or still hit the FB directly?00:05
rm_workstill need to figure out what's holding back proper playback of x264 video... i thought it was supposed to be handled in the DSP this time00:05
javispedrorm_work: this is the kind of bug that would get Nokia based on engadget's first page, so whatever it is they surely have one engineer full time working on it.00:07
* javispedro still has some optimism left00:07
rm_workyeah i am holding out to see what enhancements come with the next firmware00:07
rm_workthough all i've heard on the timeline still is just speculation00:08
javispedroI don't expect much save for a few major bugs fixed00:08
fiferboyRST38h: Any luck there?00:08
rm_workit's peculiar that mplayer NOT using the DSP is only ~5% more CPU >_>00:08
javispedrolike the incall UI "blackout"00:08
rm_workgah that's annoying00:08
rm_worki have that now00:08
rm_workcan't really use it as a phone anymore00:08
rm_workor, can sometimes, but if i hit voicemail i'm boned00:09
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rm_workor if i need to press keys like for my bank's automated system00:09
RST38hfiferboy: ironically, it worked (the integration article)00:09
rm_workif i get someone's voicemail, they're gonna get a three hour message, because i can't hang up00:09
rm_workclosing the window doesn't hang up the call :/00:09
RST38hfiferboy: but now I have "DEVELOPER EDITION"title bar BELOW my app menu, between the menu and the qml view00:10
* javispedro lols00:10
fiferboyRST38h: Awesome!00:10
javispedroso that's how "nativelooking" QML works00:10
RST38hfiferboy: nah, broken00:11
rm_workstill trying to figure out how to get something into the dropdown statusbar area (like the volume meter)00:11
fiferboyRST38h: Boo!00:11
* RST38h will avoid QML for now00:11
fiferboyTime for me to go, though00:11
fiferboyGood luck00:11
RST38hDoes not mix with normal apps well00:11
RST38hsame, good night00:11
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javispedrobut you are mixing plain qt, meegotouch, qml on the same binary =)00:12
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* javispedro ponders whether learning some metatracker voodoo or doing real work00:14
rm_workwell i'm getting really close to nailing down the exact most efficient profile mplayer can play on n95000:17
vandenoeverrm_work: cpu or with hw accel?00:18
rm_workmplayer doesn't use the DSP i don't think00:18
rm_workexcept for audio00:18
rm_worksince it does audio through pulse00:18
vandenoeverrm_work: i thought maybe hw mpeg decoder00:18
rm_workbut if you saw my previous figures for mplayer vs video-suite, it is not much slower without DSP :/ it's almost as if DSP does nothing00:18
rm_workDSP IS THE GOGGLES00:19
javispedrovideo player is using software decoding with a cpu limit. =)00:20
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javispedrosometimes when I look at the platform APIs..00:37
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javispedrothere's way too much stuff that makes this entire thing work together and which does not exist in desktop, not even true Meego.00:37
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vandenoeverjavispedro: you mean true meego is incomplete?00:39
javispedrofor example looking at ths library that handles the menu of actions that is shown on hightlighted phone numbers, or email addresses... etc.00:41
SpeedEvilrm_work: DSP may use less power, though being not faster.00:50
rm_workbut i didn't mean speed00:51
rm_worki meant CPU usage00:51
javispedroif rm_work's report of 5% difference in CPU usage is accurate ( ;) ) then DSP probably wastes battery.00:52
rm_worki did ask someone with a better idea of how to run these benchmarks to check my work00:52
rm_workthis was a week or two ago00:52
rm_workso you were prolly on vacation :P00:53
rm_workall i did was run several tests with different videos, had a terminal open via SSH with 'top' running, and watched cpu and got a rough average over 30 seconds or so00:53
rm_workwould run each video with mplayer and then video-suite00:53
rm_worktried switching the order with one or two videos to check for caching or anything, but it didn't seem to affect it00:54
rm_workanyway, the answer is actually something like.... 20FPS, up to 3000VBR, audio doesn't matter00:59
rm_workwell, mp300:59
rm_workonly SUPER annoying thing left is that the screen blanks all the time -- it doesn't seem to know how to disable the screenlock01:00
rm_workscale down to fit inside the screen01:01
rm_workscaling is the #1 performance hit01:01
rm_workfollowed by too high FPS01:01
rm_workand x264 decoding01:01
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GAN900So much spam.01:12
rm_workwell bbl01:13
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wazd <- latest OMWeather concept, sorry for russian :) Feedback? :)01:13
javispedronot sure about the background01:15
javispedrobut nice touch with the temperature color!01:15
wazdjavispedro: maybe narrow it down a bit?01:16
javispedrowell it might look nice on device01:17
wazdfeel free to test it :D01:17
javispedroaha, GAN900 and Texrat's lengthy politics discussion has now been replaced by some webos discussion about some new firmware on my twitter homepage01:19
wazdjavispedro: how about this one? :)01:20
javispedroyes, better imho01:21
GAN900javispedro, congratulations?01:21
wazdjavispedro: looks better on the device too01:21
javispedroGAN900: so I take you are Marxist-Leninist socialist?01:22
* javispedro is obviously kidding, and did appreciate the discussion01:22
wazdWhat do you guys think bout "pull down to update" gesture?01:23
wazdI find it fancy, the only problem is user "initiation"01:24
GAN900javispedro, :p01:24
javispedrowouldn't it prevent scrolling?01:24
wazdjavispedro: it works on the top of the list01:24
wazdjavispedro: try the facebook app on n95001:24
javispedroI should sometime, to see what they do.01:24
GAN900wazd, get your N950?01:26
wazdGAN900: yep :)01:26
wazdGAN900: surprise-surprise :D01:27
GAN900wazd, hehe.01:27
wazdGAN900: actually Nokia Russia worked really great this time01:27
javispedronice to hear01:27
wazdGAN900: shockingly great :)01:27
GAN900wazd, how'd'you like it?01:27
wazdGAN900: awesome device, wish I had phone UI to call somebody :D01:28
GAN900Wait, /I/ have a phone UI.01:28
javispedrodepends on your lock01:29
meegoexpertswazd: Great looking concept pic :-)01:29
javispedrosome people have a black screen for UI01:29
wazdI had it too, but it's gone now :)01:29
wazdmeegoexperts: thx :)01:29
wazdmeegoexperts: hope we'll be able to deliver the actual app asap01:30
meegoexpertsThat will be good01:31
meegoexpertsI look forward to it ;)01:32
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Ken-YoungI am trying to figure out how to run python scripts on my loaner N950.   I have executed devel-su, develsh and aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec, but I still get "Operation not permitted" when I try to execute a python script.   Does anyone know now I can get that to work?01:53
javispedroone of the following: do not run them as root. use python to run them.01:54
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kimjuor package them with correct aegis manifest.01:55
Ken-Youngjavispedro, Yeah, I know I can feed the script to python as stdin, and that works, but it's a pain.   Is there no way to get the box to allow you to execute scripts in the normal way, with #!/usr/bin/python as the first line?01:55
javispedrothere was my other option, and the one kimju specified (no manifest needed, just packaging)01:56
Ken-YoungWhat does aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec do?   It seems to be a NOOP as far as I can tell.01:56
javispedroit allows you to run unsigned binaries as USER.01:56
SpeedEvilWhat does the SDK actually do to sign a binary.01:56
SpeedEvilShip off the hash to a nokia server for a signature?01:57
Ken-Youngjavispedro, But you still can't run unsigned scripts?01:57
javispedroSpeedEvil: during late packaging stages it creates a digsigsums files with all SHA1 hashes, and attaches it to .deb01:57
javispedroSpeedEvil: no  signatures involved, which is the reason the packages are classified as "unknown origin"01:57
javispedroSpeedEvil: this is what developer mode is about: unknown origin gets a few more privileges than in full closed mode.01:57
SpeedEvilI see.01:58
javispedroKen-Young: yes you can, as user01:58
javispedroKen-Young: use "aegis-exec -u user -l" to get a "user" shell01:58
SpeedEvilI hope the statements today about nokia stuff not checking if it's in aegis-off mode, combined with own-kernel without aegis pan out.01:58
SpeedEvilBecause that's a useful 'nuclear option'.01:59
* javispedro has some hope too.01:59
SpeedEvilOn a slightly related matter.01:59
javispedromore and more people are realizing that aegis is a pain in the ass (see qole for ex.) and loudly complaining01:59
SpeedEvilI assume n9 apps on n900 is a non-starter?01:59
javispedroeventually this will escalate or be quickly resolved.01:59
SpeedEvilwell - floating point using02:00
javispedrothe other day I was surprised about one fact: the dynamic loader doesn't care if your ABI doesn't match.02:00
javispedroand will happily run hardfp apps in softfpabi system02:00
Ken-Youngjavispedro, OK, I became root, ran develsh, ran aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec, ran aegis-exec -u user -l, and I *still* can't run a python script.02:00
javispedroKen-Young: reboot02:00
SpeedEvilThat's a bit careless of it.02:00
javispedroSpeedEvil: on the other side it means you can run non-fp apps happily on either system02:01
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javispedro(or even fp apps that do not make external library calls)02:01
SpeedEvilKen-Young: Another fun app I thought of. Clip n900 to binoculars. start app. App says 'point at moon' This calibrates the magnetometer for the offset. App now tells you what you're pointing the binocs at.02:01
Ken-YoungSpeedEvil, I'm really looking forward to having fun like that with the magnetometer, once I've gotten over the initial learning curve.02:04
SpeedEvilI hope it turns out to be accurate enough.02:04
SpeedEvilI' be playing with it - but...02:04
Ken-Youngjavispedro, WOW - it does work after the reboot.   Thanks for the tip!02:04
javispedroah, the mysteries of aegis02:05
Ken-YoungI'm going to go check to see if that fixed my refrigerator too.02:05
javispedroremember that once you start abusing aegis, he will eventually enrage and self-destruct, requiring you to reflash02:07
javispedroso take care and backups.02:07
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SpeedEviljavispedro: There was a claim earlier that the lockup bug may be related to an issue on the internal bugtracker which is fixed on internal images.02:14
SpeedEvilI wonder when the images may pop up.02:15
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javispedrooh well, that is good news.02:15
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ScifigHi, can anyone pls point me to any documentation on how/where to deploy upstart scripts in harmattan?07:28
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Rizzerthe QML Tumbler element, it's there in the sample QMLComponents app but there's no direct documentation for it.  It's tucked away in or something.  Is it deprecated, or is it safe to use in an app?08:23
antman8969well, what does deprecated mean? It won't be supported in the future?08:27
antman8969neither will the platform...08:27
antman8969I think you're safe08:27
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RizzerI worried about deprecation because the only docs I can find for it are listed under symbian (e.g., and because the element generates a warning "The semantics of screen.width property is deprecated, see QTCOMPONENTS-521. Please use screen.displayWidth to query native screen width.", suggesting it's not maintained any more.08:29
antman8969well it uses deprecated methods08:31
antman8969but if you really need a tumbler then you can use the source and package it with your app08:32
antman8969if the only deprecated thing about it is the screen query, it won't be hard to fix08:32
antman8969I don't think they will be removing it though08:32
antman8969even after a qt update08:32
Rizzertrue that. I can just copy it over. Seems inefficient though.  It's a useful element, why would they not upgrade it to mainstream?08:33
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antman8969they may come out with another08:37
antman8969i wouldn't say it's inefficient really though... the file is probably no more than 10-20 kbs?08:38
antman8969considering you alternative... making your own08:38
antman8969which will probably be no better than theirs, but still take up room08:38
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Rizzerat least it works, apart from the warning. I'll keep using it for now.08:41
npmanybody have suggestions for getting QML WebView to be able to read from servers with bad certificates, such as,
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npmthat's all that stands between me and getting this working on harmattan/meego: &&
* npm wonders about setting up a builtin proxyserver to "eat" the SSL errors08:49
Summelinpm: you have to catch the qnetwork error about the certificate and ignore it :)08:50
SummeliQSSL error or something similar08:50
npmSummeli: thanks for the hint08:52
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dm8tbrjftr: I took another 'dead' bl-4d (low discharge triggered, 0V on pins) and after hooking up usb charger and pressing the power button repeatedly: boots just fine09:04
dm8tbrthe only thing remaining to be tested is an 'old' battery by using a 7\Omega in series09:05
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wazdwoo all11:36
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thpwazd: woo12:15
kimjumikhas, you are expert on input methods? could you point to some documentation about how to prevent vkb from showing up in a program (and then enabling it again) via button/menu in the program12:28
wazdthp: heyhey :)12:32
mikhaskimju, mark your widgets as non-focusable12:32
mikhasif you LMT, you can use MTextEdit::setAutoSipEnabled to false12:32
kimjucan it still receive hwkb events then?12:33
mikhasif they are non-focusable, no12:34
kimjuhmm, that would not work then.12:35
kimjuand another way, is it possible to keep vkb always visible while in program?12:36
mikhasnope, I requested such sticky VKB API myself some time ago …12:36
kimjuI'm hacking the terminal currently, some of the programs I ran in it doesn't like when the screen gets resized when vkb shows/hides..12:37
mikhasyou could experiment with moving the X window, instead of resize12:37
mikhas(or just the top-most scene window, in case of the terminal)12:38
mikhasof course you need to make sure that any additional terminal control is then either in IM toolbar or a floating overlay element12:39
kimjuI already added option to lock the orientation to landscape/portrait, that helps some. and ignore resize events when window isInSwitcher, another to disable/enable the vkb would be nice.12:40
kimjuyeah, the menu is opened from floating overlay button12:41
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kimjunow the problem is that if I have hwkb open and swipe to another screen, then (accidentally) open the terminal from switcher with hwkb closed, it opens with vkb and resizes before I can open the hwkb.12:43
kimjualso, without hwkb at all, it would be nice to have some programs that don't need constant input running on full screen terminal, without vkb taking half of the screen12:44
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thpwazd: have your n950 and some time handy?13:00
Arkenoihow can i turn "smart" (fscking dumb!) input off (which forces the first letter in "sentence" to be english and uppercase)?13:03
thpArkenoi: settings -> time and langugage -> textinput -> disable error correction?13:07
Arkenoithp: it says it applies to vkb only, will try anyways13:08
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Arkenoiand yes, it applies to vkb only, no effect on hardware keyboard13:10
MohammadAGanyone experiencing a no sim card issue13:11
spenapMohammadAG, it happened to me yesterday, and rebooting it fixed it13:19
spenapbut it was quite strange :-/13:19
MohammadAGreboot didn't fix it, had to take out the sim and insert it13:26
MohammadAGHow does the N950 determine that an installation is broken?13:43
fralsMohammadAG: did you guys have to sign any PLA or something to get the N950?13:47
MohammadAGfrals, PLA?13:47
fralsproduct loan agreement13:47
MohammadAGI "signed" an NDA13:47
MohammadAGnot that I remember no13:48
Stskeepsthere was a PLA too13:48
MohammadAGI've seen the PLA on fmc13:48
MohammadAGbut I don't recall signing it13:48
fralsif you signed the NDA i guess that superseedes the PLA anyway13:48
MohammadAGwell, the NDA was standard, not specific to the N95013:49
tommaQtAmbassadors signed PLA13:52
RST38hWell. Moo.13:52
MohammadAGanyone tapped into the FMTX yet?13:54
RST38hEHLO Mohammad13:54
MohammadAGheya RST38h13:54
hiemanshuMohammadAG: no antenna, so useless13:54
MohammadAGhiemanshu, that can be arranged later on13:55
RST38hMohammad: QApplication::setFont() should fix Communi13:55
hiemanshuMohammadAG: also can you patch communi?13:55
RST38hMohammad: t least it worked for me, made the Qt menu bigger13:55
MohammadAGRST38h, shouldn't -font fix it too? :P13:55
razvanpetruis this the security framework at work: when I start the app from terminal I can save contacts, when I start from launcher it crashes when I try to save a contact. When i launch from QtCreator it works again...13:55
RST38hMohammad: -font does not work for me, dunno why13:55
RST38hYes, it should do exactly the same thing, in theory13:55
hiemanshuMohammadAG: nope, -font wont work here13:56
MohammadAGinsmod: error inserting 'radio-wl1273.ko': -1 Operation not permitted13:56
hiemanshuMohammadAG: it doesn't work if you have Qt compiled with fontconfig support, and IIRC Qt is compiled with fontconfig support13:56
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MohammadAGanyone compiled mplayer yet?14:32
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Arkenoiwhich repository new shiny mg-terminal is in now?14:34
TermanaMohammadAG, I can't believe it14:34
JaffaThere's a new shiny mg-terminal? C&P? Link opening?14:34
slaineAre there any QtQuick+Harmattan components sample apps / tutorials ?14:34
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TermanaMohammadAG, you get it in Israel before I get it in Australia. What has the world come to? :p just kidding14:34
Arkenoiiirc someone mentioned there is14:35
sivangoh finally.14:35
sivangMOSLO is the new boot loader I suppose?14:35
MohammadAGTermana, yes :P14:35
Jaffaslaine: an14:35
MohammadAGyou should move here Termana14:35
MohammadAGyou'll love it14:35
MohammadAGsivang, no14:35
Termanalol... yeah nah, I think I can live with the delayed postage thanks :p14:36
MohammadAGNOLO is still the bootloader, MOSLO is something for dual booting14:36
MohammadAGalso, I'm impressed with the battery life14:36
MohammadAGlibass/ass_bitmap.c:27: fatal error: ft2build.h: No such file or directory grr14:37
MohammadAGno freetype headers, why the f are -dev packages missing14:37
ArkenoiI guess we are impressed with the battery life as we do not have messaging account plugins yet14:37
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MohammadAGI don't use those on the N900 and it barely lasts me a day14:37
Arkenoihmm, with messaging set to offline n900 lasted 2-3 days for me14:38
MohammadAGwhich reminds me, I need to compile haze/pecan14:38
MohammadAGArkenoi, with 3G/Wifi?14:38
Arkenoibtw n950 does not work with my office network14:39
Arkenoinone of two modes -- wpa2/peap and wep/peap14:39
lardmanmy battery life seems to have fallen quite badly in recent days14:39
sivangMohammadAG: what is it then?14:39
sivangMohammadAG: battery life is AMAZING14:40
sivangMohammadAG: bro, I tell you, this is the best ever device to be released on the planet.14:40
sivangMohammadAG: some misakens were nicely learned from :)14:40
MohammadAGsome were introduced, hi aegis14:40
sivangMohammadAG: also I like the auto bot that does automatic power saving14:41
sivangMohammadAG: so I've heared ;)14:41
sivangMohammadAG: giving you hard time?14:41
sivangMohammadAG: would you prefer to develop on a non secure device like WP7? :)14:41
sivang(unsure about security contexts there, talking out of arse)14:41
MohammadAGyeah, in some ways14:41
Arkenoibtw a device with keyboard like that, flawless email connectivity and remote ssh access that enables mass management by IT helpdesk could be real blackberry killer.. or e7 killer at least :-)14:42
sivangMohammadAG: com'on, we must stop whine at some point :)14:42
MohammadAGI'm not whining14:42
MohammadAGI'm just saying aegis was a mistake14:42
sivangArkenoi: I had some plans for that, for creating full fledgued apps to manage remote clouds and server, we can create a plesk app to run on it14:42
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sivangMohammadAG: mistakes have been done and will be done :) this is how stuff are made14:43
sivangMohammadAG: but I take it you are happy with it as I am :)14:43
* javispedro thinks Aegis is fine, just don't seal enforcing mode on a developer device dammit!14:43
MohammadAGyeah, it's an awesome device14:43
Arkenoiwow, plesk :-) ( try /whois arkenoi )14:43
sivangjavispedro: lol! A marekting mistake :-p14:43
* javispedro now ponders14:44
javispedrook, so Aegis can/may block read and/or write access to tracker14:44
javispedroI ponder what kind of hoops I have to go through if I want to make a tracker provider/miner14:45
hiemanshuMohammadAG: patching communi yet? :P14:45
MohammadAGno, trying to build mplaye14:45
hiemanshuthere is mplayer already IIRC14:45
MohammadAG/usr/include/ft2build.h:56: fatal error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory14:45
Summelijavispedro: here's a list of security tokens14:45
javispedrohiemanshu: infobot is gone since a few days ago14:46
javispedroSummeli: believe I know them by heart :)14:46
Summelijavispedro: ok :)14:46
Summeliso you'll need more than just the tokens :-)14:46
hiemanshuMohammadAG: add that your sources.list.d14:46
hiemanshuit has mplayer and such14:47
MohammadAGoh nice, libmafw14:47
lardmanah back to the good old 770 days of multiple repos14:47
MohammadAGshould build my mediaplayer sometime14:47
javispedrolardman: yes, indeed...14:47
lardmanall that work to persuade people to submit their apps to a centralised repo, gone in one fell swoop14:48
javispedroit had to happen.14:48
MohammadAGI feel like I'm on Symbian agian14:48
* RST38h yawns14:48
RST38hSo, folks, how are things?14:49
javispedronote though that rzr set up some kind of obs shared repo14:49
javispedromoo RST38h14:49
MohammadAGhaven't we agreed that the centralized repo is
RST38hheya javispedro14:49
RST38hAnyone willing to accept a few binary packages into his repo?14:49
javispedrothat's another question14:49
* RST38h is too lazy to figure out how to set up a debian repo on FreeBSD14:49
MohammadAGsh: mplayer: Operation not permitted LOL14:50
RST38hMohammad: Package and install as a deb, it will work14:50
sivangArkenoi: ?14:50
javispedroor use --relaxed-exec and run as user14:50
MohammadAGRST38h, that was the deb14:50
javispedrobut I bet mplayer does a lot of forbidden stuff14:50
RST38hMohammad: Also, enable running-arbitrary-binaries-as-root in Aegis14:51
MohammadAGI have relaxed-exec14:51
RST38hWhat the hell does mplayer do then? =) Interesting14:51
javispedroalso reboot14:51
MohammadAGoh, as user14:51
* sivang misses skype itnegration in N90014:51
sivangwhat's the difference between CE and DE?14:51
sivang(meego handset)14:52
hiemanshusivang: #meego-arm please14:52
MohammadAGDE was renamed to CE14:52
MohammadAGCommunist Edition14:52
RST38hMer, sorry.14:52
MohammadAGhow are .ivt files made?14:53
MohammadAGyou know how the Nokia tune vibrates on the N950?14:53
sivangMohammadAG: ah, that's all? nice14:53
Arkenoisivang, n9 has it, so hopefully it will be in n950 as well after n9 launch14:53
sivangArkenoi: you mean a plesk control app?14:53
MohammadAGit uses the files in /usr/share/sounds/vibra14:53
sivangArkenoi: or an app to manage and control your could and vds's?14:54
StskeepsMohammadAG: immersion player or soething14:54
Arkenoisivang, both are interesting. i mentioned /whois because i work for swsoft/parallels now :-)14:54
sivangArkenoi: oh, and those apps are already there?14:54
Arkenoinope :-(14:54
sivangArkenoi: I've been planning on this for 2 yeasr now :) since N900 cam eout, but never found the funding for14:55
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Arkenoii may ask people around14:55
Arkenoidrop me a email about your vision14:55
* RST38h will talk rm_you into creating a repo =)14:55
MohammadAGoh thanks Stskeeps14:55
lardmananyone have any experience of OCR e.g. Tesseract?14:55
javispedrothis is stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.14:56
StskeepsMohammadAG: closed source crap, no idea if it is possible to get editors for it14:56
* javispedro sighs at the entire packages situation14:56
SummeliI almost got my package building at obs :)14:56
Summeligood that I didn't put too much effort into it, since it seems pretty irrelevant now14:57
MohammadAGtbh, we should've just used the same extras-devel system14:57
M4rtinK2OBS is fun :)14:57
lardmanMohammadAG: +114:57
lardmanat least for the time being while people are hacking and porting apps over14:57
sivangArkenoi: It is a nice idea and highly helpful for sysadmin on duty.14:57
Arkenoidoes easybed-chroot from repository mentioned above really work? no aegis problems with it?14:58
M4rtinK2home:rzr:harmattan is slowly becoming extras-devel, imho :)14:58
sivangArkenoi: I need to find the specs and I can send it over.14:58
lardmanM4rtinK2: very slowly as it only has 11 packages afaict14:59
javispedroand how do you publish to it?14:59
javispedroand, it does not help with nonfree packages14:59
kimjuobs is no fun:
lardmanoh I tell a lie, quite a few in there14:59
MohammadAGM4rtinK2, slowly15:00
MohammadAGjavispedro, you need to be added15:00
javispedrokimju: it works better than yesterday15:02
sivangArkenoi: got my email?15:02
sivangArkenoi: let's make this a project o promote the N9 :)15:03
Arkenoiyep. when should i remind you?15:04
kimjutrigger rebuild doesn't seems to work today either, and I don't have any new changes to commit yet, so can't try if it would work today.15:06
MohammadAGqjson is rzr's repo if anyone needs it15:08
sivangno other way to have qjson otherwise?15:08
sivang(on #n950, that is15:09
w00t_hm. it's not in the repos?15:09
MohammadAGnot that I know of15:10
w00t_huh, ok15:10
MohammadAGregardless, qfacebook is also in rzr's repo15:10
MohammadAGwell, if it built that is15:10
sivangMohammadAG: is that teh fb app that comes with the N950?15:11
MohammadAGno, it's a library for Facebook's graph API15:11
sivangah nice15:11
wazdArkenoi, RST38h: are you guys planning to visit N9 presentation @ Nokia Tverskaya Store? :)15:13
sivangis this in russia? :)15:14
sivangMohammadAG: so if I ship an app that uses qjson15:15
sivangMohammadAG: I need to tell user to include the repo as well?15:15
Arkenoiwazd, when?15:15
wazdArkenoi: Aug 21st I guess15:15
Arkenoii think i will15:15
harbaumsivang: Do you know ?15:19
harbaumIs nearly a drop-in replacement and consists of just two mit licensed dfiles15:20
MohammadAGwhere does QSettings store settings on the N950?15:21
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MohammadAGactually screw that, how do I style my Qt app? I wanna see how crappy it looks15:26
divanMohammadAG, isn't is ~/.config/?15:32
MohammadAGdivan, yeah15:33
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MohammadAG-style meegotouch shows the default plastique style15:33
MohammadAGdo I need something installed?15:33
hiemanshuthere is no meegotouch-qt-style sadly15:34
harbaumMohammadAG: Plain Qt apps are basically unusable on MeeGo15:41
MohammadAGthere is one in the SDK...15:41
hiemanshuharbaum: they aren't unusable, they are ugly15:41
hiemanshuMohammadAG: its in SB, not in Qemu or the actual phone15:42
harbaumthey are unusable, everything is so tiny, that you can't click it and subwindows are seperate windows which you have to use the icon overview to switch between. That's close to unuasble15:42
vandenoeverstill, with a proper, large, style, many plain Qt apps with only one window could be usable15:44
hiemanshumy app is very usuable in plain qt, just looks ugly15:45
sivangMohammadAG: nice, QSettings is used there alreadt? I thought it had only backends for filesystem15:45
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MohammadAGit's part of QtCore15:46
sivangMohammadAG: I know, did not know it was used on systems that do not use a file based registery15:47
sivangMohammadAG: does ti back end to dbus?15:47
sivangMohammadAG: err, not dbus15:47
sivangMohammadAG: gconf15:47
sivangbad bad freudian mistake15:47
MohammadAG_MEEGO_LOW_POWER_MODE <-- so I'm guessing this atom makes a window show even when the screen's off on the N915:48
MohammadAGsivang, it was never backed by gconf15:48
javispedroMohammadAG: correct15:53
* MohammadAG uploads wmctrl to obs15:54
javispedroif you are interested in the mcompositor atoms, there are a few hints in mwindowpropertycache.h15:54
MohammadAGwhere's MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan?15:56
lcuknew battery arrived and device booted happily15:57
javispedroMohammadAG: there15:59
MohammadAGjavispedro, it wasn't there :(15:59
javispedroI was saying it is now :)15:59
* MohammadAG blames Aegis15:59
MohammadAGwhat's with No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment btw16:00
javispedroon a normal device, dpkg pases hashes of installed files via a pipe to something that sends them to the kernel16:00
javispedro(something is the "dpkg" binary itself -- because the real dpkg is somewhere else)16:01
hiemanshuwell aegis intervenes the installation, checks the files, and if its ok, passes it to dpkg to install it16:02
hiemanshuand sends the hashes as well16:02
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MohammadAGwmctrl in repos16:05
sivangdoes N950 support OTG?16:05
sivangMohammadAG: ? :)16:05
sivangMohammadAG: what's an atom excuse me for asking?16:06
javispedrosivang: no OTG16:07
javispedroalso, host will require killing aegis first.16:07
sivangjavispedro: but what if I connect it to a N8 ?16:07
sivangjavispedro: the N8 will let me use it as storatge, I suppose?16:07
SpeedEvilStupid question incoming.16:08
RST38hNobody tried installing his own kernel so far?16:08
MohammadAGthat's not OTG16:08
sivangjavispedro: no need for aegis and OTG fort hat, since N8 has it already16:08
javispedroRST38h: three people so far iirc16:08
javispedrono success16:08
sivangSpeedEvil: ? :)16:08
sivangMohammadAG: so OTG, is the ability to host usb stuff that needs extra voltage no?16:08
javispedroI built a zImage and tried to load it using flasher -> rapidly blinking led, panic after 8 seconds16:08
sivangMohammadAG: err, that can act as USB contollers rather than slaves16:08
RST38hjust need more time then =)16:08
SpeedEvilAs I understand it, there is no checking of code for packages. Surely arbitrary nastiness can be done, simply by having a package that edits a system init file?16:09
SpeedEvilOr an unprotected config file.16:09
javispedroyou can do some nastiness16:09
javispedrobut not in the kernel..16:09
SpeedEvilthere is no CAP:loadmodule I assume?16:09
javispedro(I mean, there is, it's CAP::sys_module iirc, but obviously it's not granted)16:10
javispedroI worry that if they're going to keep the current seriousness about aegis, then that probably means no host at all: enabling usb host in the kernel presents a quite large attack surface16:11
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SpeedEvilIt was stated yesterday at one point that the nokia binaries do not check for th epresence of aegis.16:12
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SpeedEvilSo, boot a 'clean' kernel (yes, ...) and al of this goes away.16:12
javispedroI'll believe that when I see it.16:12
MohammadAGdevscripts uploaded16:12
javispedrostrace of Nokia/Ovi account setup shows it talking with aegis16:12
SpeedEvilAnd all the user loses is angry birds. (and probably maps, drive)16:12
SpeedEvilthose too16:12
SpeedEvilI do hope there is't a SMS registration message again.16:13
SpeedEvilI need to have a poke around a device today or tomorrow I guess.16:13
javispedronote: optimist in me says it's talking with aegis beacuse of protected storage16:13
javispedropessimist says the "Service not available at the moment" error message was caused because Aegis said "no"16:14
SpeedEvilAegis in 'just provide protected storage' mode might be a useful app.16:14
SpeedEvilAlso useful would be if you could supply your own root key, in 'open' mode, and get it to pretend to be closed.16:15
SpeedEvilBut that's probably just for the paranoid amongst us.16:15
javispedroI also like application privilege separation. I obviously do not like fake root.16:15
SpeedEvilImagine a n9 which when you boot it requires you to touch it to a NFC token.16:15
SpeedEvilWhich gives the phone the key.16:16
SpeedEvilIf the phone detects that it's outside BT range of this token, it shuts off.16:16
SpeedEvilIf the user presses button on the token, the key goes away.16:16
javispedroI want my usb host! :(16:17
SpeedEvilMe too.16:17
* javispedro had made a qt for showing livescribe notes that I can't put to good use16:18
javispedro*a qt app16:18
MohammadAGUploading x11-utils16:21
slaineIn Qt Creator, can I break out the Help window to a separate window ?16:21
* slaine is new to Qt16:21
MohammadAGanyone got some "essential" tool.s that need packaging/uploading?16:22
javispedroMohammadAG: x11-utils are already on device =)16:22
MohammadAGoh right16:22
javispedrothis is why we need an IntentToPackage ML ;)16:22
rcg1javispedro: indeed16:26
rcg1javispedro: ^16:27
rcg1maybe such a subforum (see last post from me aka wonko) would be a good thing in that context as well?16:28
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javispedrothe way things are going, we might even have a "" ;)16:30
rcg1lol aye16:32
javispedrowhy do some usernames have ':' in paths?16:36
javispedro(and some others do not?)16:36
rcg1and some even both ;)16:36
Stskeepsjavispedro: means there is a subproject16:36
javispedroStskeeps: ah, ta.16:37
trxmy n950 arrived finally :)16:43
Arkenoijavispedro, seems that luit is either missing or i cannot find it16:44
lardmanjavispedro: I think one is a default project and others not16:44
lardmansomething like that iirf16:44
lardmanah, beaten to it16:45
Arkenoijavispedro, yep, man luit on desktop linux16:45
Arkenoia command line tool to recode terminal sessions16:46
Arkenoivery important for cyrillic users for historical reasons16:46
Arkenoiit was in x11-utils on n90016:46
MohammadAGwasn't there a compass app on the N9?16:47
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divanMohammadAG there is  pretty nice one -
javispedroArkenoi: so, you're boned -- unless you package it separately.16:48
divanjavispedro, do you have "Service not available at the moment" issue with ovi account (and maps) as well?16:49
javispedrodivan: reflash16:49
MohammadAGI have a luit binary if you want it16:49
divanjavispedro, did it help you? I've reflashed two times already and still have the problem.16:50
ArkenoiMohammadAG, yes please16:50
MohammadAG Arkenoi16:51
hiemanshuMohammadAG: didja rebuild communi? :P16:51
MohammadAGno :P16:52
hiemanshuah, please do :)16:52
MohammadAGlemme send libircclient-qt to the repos16:55
MohammadAGVenemo's gonna need it anyways16:55
ArkenoiMohammadAG, works perfectly, thanks again16:58
slaineOk, step 1 complete, Qt Creator installed and Harmattan QtQuick example compiled and running on the Harmattan Emulator17:04
slainenow to create my masterpiece17:05
* lardman discovers that his wireless phones have an intercom function17:10
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* lardman thinks this might get annoying...17:11
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lardmanAnyone know of any pdf analysis software to provide useful access to e.g. a library of pdf papers17:15
lardmanslightly ot I knoe17:15
lardmanah, this is what I remember seeing,
lardmanback on topic now, promise17:19
lcuk70fps is not bad for n95017:20
fiferboyI guess we don't know when qt components (and "extra" components) 1.1 will be available17:35
* fiferboy starts thinking about building them from git17:35
* fiferboy stops thinking about it and starts doing it17:39
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MohammadAGwhich package is mcontentitem.h in?17:49
javispedro(not sure)17:49
javispedrobtw, is there docs on how to make global/smartsearch show my stuff (it is indexed by tracker already)?17:51
MohammadAGlibmeegotouch-dev, /me goes looking for MStatusIndicatorMenuExtensionInterface17:51
fralsjavispedro: let device blank screen and wait x minutes while device is in idle :(17:53
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lcukbut that action means the n950 is a quantum box17:54
lcukyou do not know the indexing is finished unless you unlock the device17:55
javispedroit is already indexed by tracker (this is a custom mimetype I am talking about :) )17:55
javispedrobut I was wondering whether there's something I need to do to show custom mimetypes on smartsearch17:55
javispedro(by indexed I mean I can already launch those sparql queries and they return meaningful data)17:55
fralssmartsearch is unfortunately not as smart as it would appear wrt tracker17:56
fralsiirc smartsearch is doing its own indexing for some damn reason, but dont quote me on that17:56
Stskeepssomeone said tracker, drink!17:56
javispedroStskeeps: and sparql!17:56
* Stskeeps ponders designing a tmo drinking game17:57
MohammadAGhas anyone made a status menu plugin successfully?17:57
javispedromy reasoning is that there seems to be a complete lack of file open dialogs in Harmattan -- the preferred way is to just enumerate all files in the initial screen for each application17:57
MohammadAGI've looked at the profile example, it builds since the header is in the source17:58
MohammadAGbut there's no system-ui-dev package17:58
javispedroso I was trying to use tracker for that, and it seems to work very well (well, didn't try Sparql Qml bindings yet, but tracker-sparql cmdline works)17:58
MohammadAGor is there...17:59
MohammadAGnice, loving how -dev packages are missing17:59
* lardman saw smart search sat at 8% of cpu earlier18:00
javispedroMohammadAG: weird, system-ui should be free18:00
lardmanno idea why, nothing new added to the device for at least 12h, other than phone calls and whatever is pulled down from online18:00
MohammadAGjavispedro, there's a system-ui-dev package, it's just missing from the repos18:01
MohammadAGhmm, seems the lockscreen is open source...18:01
lcuklardman, scent detectors cataloguing what you ate for lunch18:01
MohammadAGpadlockview, could be MeeGo's lockscreen18:01
javispedroMohammadAG: seems that you are right, system-ui-dev free package is missing18:02
javispedroclearly a bug18:02
MohammadAGjavispedro, there are lots of missing -dev packages18:02
MohammadAGfreetype is another one18:02
Stskeepsfile a bug, it's normally oversight18:02
MohammadAGapt-get source + build and you'll get the -dev packages18:02
javispedroI do have a libfreetype6-dev package18:03
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rafael2kpeople, do you know if can the N950 support USB hostmode?18:05
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MohammadAGnot before we can flash and boot custom kernels18:08
* Stskeeps hopes he'll have time to work more on that before he leaves for a week18:08
* MohammadAG hopes we'll have MOSLO this week18:09
rcg1MohammadAG: you are trying to get a status indicator plugin running?18:09
GeneralAntillesSo what's new and exciting on the forking front?18:09
Stskeepsmm, i hope so as well (or soon)18:10
MohammadAGrcg1, yes18:10
javispedroforking front already? =)18:10
MohammadAGyes, I've seen both18:10
rcg1ah ic :)18:10
MohammadAGbut system-ui-dev is missing18:10
MohammadAGI already have the code, it's just not compiling (obviously)18:10
MohammadAGbuilding system-ui from source18:11
rcg1to get the dev package.. yeah i read some lines in the scroll back buffer18:11
rcg1but it's very good to see you are at it18:12
rcg1i, personally, wouldn't have had a clue of where to get that dev package from18:13
rcg1my last progress was being stuck in scratchbox apt-cache searching for suspicious packages18:13
rafael2kMohammadAG: but do you think it's feasible to get USB hostmode working for the N950 in terms of hardware?18:16
MohammadAGwell, that didn't work18:17
MohammadAGrafael2k, yes18:17
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rafael2k; )18:17
fiferboyWow, building qt components 1.1 was *much* easier than I thought it was going to be18:25
fiferboyOh. Yeah. The build was easy, but I forgot the problems installing a user-built application of a Nokia provided...18:29
fiferboyAny advice, since half the system depends on qt-components?18:29
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lcukfiferboy, why are you rebuilding it?18:31
fiferboylcuk: Newer version18:32
lcukhave you requested an update to the firmware?18:32
lcukie let nokia rebuild it for you18:33
fiferboylcuk: It is planned, but I have no idea what timeframe18:33
fiferboyI want to test it now so my app will work with it when it is released18:33
hiemanshufiferboy: different package name?18:34
GeneralAntilleslcuk, good one!18:35
hiemanshu:-1: error: Could not connect to host: Botan library exception: Botan: Decoding error: BER: Length field is too large :/18:35
fiferboyhiemanshu: I may have to resort to that18:35
hiemanshuQtSDK gives that error when connecting to device, any ideas?18:35
fiferboyIf I could just remove one package while leaving its dependencies that would be ideal18:35
hiemanshuMohammadAG: around?18:37
fiferboyAh, 'dpkg -P --force-depends qt-components' worked18:40
javispedroyour package manager is now probably completely broken :)18:41
javispedroalso, I ponder why Aegis allowed you to do that18:41
fiferboyjavispedro: My package manager may indeed be foobar'd18:42
fiferboyBut aegis has no problems with that, then installed my user-built package without complaint :)18:43
fiferboyMy system is still usable, and the new qt-components-examples installed and runs fine18:43
fiferboyMy program that uses 1.1 now works and shows the extra components!18:44
hiemanshuaegis allows you to do this, but not run files properly installed :/18:44
fiferboyBut yeah, my package manager is *completely* broken :)18:45
javispedroexpect aegis selfdestruction any time now18:45
fiferboyI am afraid to reboot :(18:45
javispedroHe might have been distracted now, but He always remembers, never forgets.18:45
lardmananyone know whether it's possible to stack modal dialog windows using Qt?18:46
hiemanshugah, how the fuck do you take a screenshot?18:46
hiemanshuwhere does it get saved?18:47
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fiferboyI wonder if I uninstall my user packages and reinstall the system package if aegis will forgive me?18:49
lardmanhiemanshu: not sure that's worked actually18:50
fiferboylardman, hiemanshu: I _think_ that only works in mtf apps18:50
fiferboy(although I have heard of at least one person who claims it worked in a QML app)18:50
lardmanah ok, thanks fiferboy18:50
fiferboyFor QML apps you can open the QML Widget Gallery, go to "developer tools" and use the screenshot utility18:51
fiferboySave in /home/user18:51
fiferboyjavispedro: Does He ever forgive?18:51
javispedroonly after a given number of reflashes18:52
javispedrodepending on your sin18:52
fiferboyMaybe I can repent by installing the system packages again18:52
fiferboyAlthough, it is probably time to try my hand at the one-flick flasher18:53
javispedroI would actually try to reboot to see if you can pass it off =)18:53
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javispedronot that many system apps use qml18:53
fiferboyjavispedro: I guess I have nothing on here that I can't replace18:53
lardmanjavispedro: so how do they look nice?18:53
javispedrothey use MTF18:54
fiferboylardman: MTF is completely capable of looking nice :)18:54
fiferboyJust no future in it18:54
lardmanwhat is mtf?18:54
javispedroQML vs MTF is easily recognizble, there are subtle animation differences18:54
lardmanwhat does it stand for?18:54
lardmanAh ok18:55
* fiferboy has the feeling he should have had his backup phone with him today18:55
* javispedro would not be scared of using MTF18:55
hiemanshuwell how different is MTF?18:55
hiemanshuok, so now I have the individual screens working for Komedia, not to connect them18:57
fiferboyjavispedro: Yeah, it is not very likely to go away (given the system dependencies) but it most likely won't be on any future platform18:57
* lardman calls it an afternoon on coding, bbl18:57
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* fiferboy locates his one-click flasher and prepares for reboot >.<18:58
fiferboyPowered down...18:58
javispedrowell, there are two things I consider: the only API Nokia has partially managed to keep for more than a year or two has been the Symbian one...18:58
fiferboyPowering up...18:59
hiemanshuany comments on this screen ?18:59
javispedroso even if they promise that Qt^W DUI^W MeegoTouch^W QtQuick is now really here to stay I have a hard time believing it considering the fast pace verything here moves18:59
* fiferboy hears the start up shimes18:59
javispedromost likely there won't be _any_ future platform.19:00
hiemanshujavispedro: well, no Qt on the WP, so wonder what nokia will do to Qt19:00
fiferboyjavispedro: I have stealthily defeated aegis!19:00
javispedro"for now19:01
fiferboyYeah, for now.19:01
fiferboyBut I am pleased it passed the reboot19:01
fiferboyProbably just going to wait until I least expect it and can't recover quickly19:02
javispedrohappened to me19:02
javispedroI installed portmap, even rebooted, and it decided to selfdestruct a few minutes after of total idleness, when I was away from home19:02
fiferboyHmm, I'll keep an eye out for any suspicious behaviour19:03
javispedroI could explain try to explain that with sth technical jumbo mumbo about having lost wi-fi connectivity then portmap woke up due to the select call being interrupted, doing sth aegis didn't like, etc.19:03
javispedrobut it's best to just say that He wanted his revenge.19:04
fiferboyjavispedro: I wonder if the difference is the package I built from Nokia source had a full aegis manifest?19:05
hiemanshugah, I cant make out shit on how to use qml with a C++ backend :(19:05
javispedrofiferboy: more probably qtquick is still after all a bunch of scripts, few binaries, and no weird stuff like setgid19:06
hiemanshuI have the C++ and qml ready, just need to connect them19:06
fiferboyhiemanshu: What are you trying to connect?19:06
fiferboySignals and slots?  Data models?  GUI?19:06
hiemanshufiferboy: GUI19:07
hiemanshuI just need to be able to change a few parameters, mostly just images19:07
hiemanshuso clicking a button would change an image19:07
fiferboyhiemanshu: I have done signal/slot and data model, but not GUI :(19:08
rcg1see especially Exchanging data between QML and C++ and Calling functions19:08
hiemanshufiferboy: ugh sorry, I meant no GUI, just the others19:08
hiemanshuI just need to exchange data19:08
rcg1essentially you use QObjects on the C++ side and either use slots or use the Q_INVOKABLE macro to make your C++ methods executable in QML19:09
fiferboyhiemanshu: If you have a class with Q_INVOKABLE functions you can pass that class to rootContext->setContextProperty in your declarative view19:09
fiferboyhiemanshu: It may take some trial and error19:10
hiemanshufiferboy: I have C++ code from the QWidget app, and qml ready for the new app, I dont know where to start lol19:10
rcg1last but not least you need to make your C++ stuff "known" to QML via qmlRegisterType19:11
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fiferboyhiemanshu: Read over the qtbinding doc rcg1 linked to a few times19:12
fiferboyTook me multiple reads to get the most out of it :)19:12
rcg1 <- i think this is a pretty straight forward step by step guide19:12
hiemanshufiferboy: doing that19:12
hiemanshurcg1: I suck at RTFM-ing, I better understand by examples :P19:13
rcg1heh yeah took a little bit of trial and error to grasp the concept.. but once you get it it feels natural19:13
hiemanshuyeah, its the same with QML too19:13
rcg1there you go ;)19:13
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rcg1oh.. one hint.. do not use QDeclarativeExtensionPlugin and  Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2 as suggested by those examples..19:14
fiferboyDamn, I am freaking out whenever it takes a couple time to tap-unlock the phone :(19:14
rcg1just use qmlRegisterType e.g. in your main.cpp to register your "custom" QML types19:15
rcg1i never had any success with this Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2 and QDeclarativeExtensionPlugin stuff19:15
rcg1 <-- thats one of my projects using C++ and QML19:16
hiemanshurcg1: ah thanks a lot19:16
* hiemanshu will play with it tonight19:16
rcg1see main.cpp on how to use qmlRegisterType and the according classes (e.g. entry or entrystorage) on how to "prepare" your stuff to work with QML19:18
rcg1then e.g. in main.qml in e.g. qml/harmattan you see how to use this stuff in QML including the imports statement..19:20
rcg1ohh.. i avoid to pass my custom objects as method parameters in this project.. but this is a pretty ugly hack to make this work with the "stable" Qt version available for Fremantle..19:21
hiemanshuwhy couldn't they just theme qwidget and be done with it :/19:21
rcg1for Harmattan you can simply pass your custom objects via pointers from QML to the C++ side and vice versa19:21
hiemanshuI really just need to pass links, and call a few functions, nothing complex19:22
rcg1hehe.. if you wanna include a custom QWidget in your QML have a look at qcomboboxqmladapter.h19:23
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rcg1this one essentially wraps qcombobox in order to use it in QML19:23
rcg1+ some eyecandy via stylesheets19:23
hiemanshunaah, I dont need all that19:23
fiferboyYes! TumblerButton and DatePickDailog work now!19:23
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hiemanshuI have everything I need in qt-components19:23
hiemanshuall I need is webview, progressbar, and buttons :D19:24
hiemanshumaybe gestures later19:24
rcg1uh sweet.. system-ui just finished building :)19:24
rcg1MohammadAG: ^19:24
lcukif aegis uses a hashed database of files which cannot be modified19:24
lcukcan the hash be updated on the go19:25
rcg1system-ui-dev_0.20.74-1+0m6_armel.deb <-- hmmm looks promising19:25
rcg1bbl though19:25
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RST38hCould someone remind me how to restart scratchbox daemons?19:43
lcuksb-menu i believe19:44
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RST38hno, sb-menu displays the menu19:44
divanhiemanshu, have you try using PinchArea with WebView? Or implement pinch zoom in WebView in some other way?19:48
fiferboyRST38h: sb-conf?19:54
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hiemanshudivan: not yet, but I plan to do so20:28
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M4rtinK2djszapi: I have submitted two packages to the community repo :)20:46
M4rtinK2espeak and telnet - should be in the submit-queue20:46
RST38hA'ok, gentlemen20:47
djszapiM4rtinK2: all kind of brilliant :)20:47
M4rtinK2djszapi: any guidelines what should be submitted or what is needed ?20:49
djszapiM4rtinK2: what do you mean ?20:51
M4rtinK2djszapi: while I'm mostly doing packages relevant for my projects, I can also try to add some other useful packages20:52
djszapisure, go ahead, thanks20:52
M4rtinK2as most of them build without patching20:52
M4rtinK2well, ok :)20:52
hiemanshuHi, we are extending the N950 device program with 50 additional pieces received from Nokia. Have a look at
djszapihiemanshu o/20:53
hiemanshudjszapi: o/20:54
hiemanshuhey aegis, just shoot me in the head20:55
hiemanshureflash time20:55
M4rtinK2djszapi: also a technical question - when I submit a package to home:rzr:harmattan is it still somehow connected to the package in my project or is it independent ?20:55
djszapiit is a separate repository.20:55
M4rtinK2some when I now say delete espeak or upgrade it to a newer version, it won't propagate until I submit it again ?20:58
rcg1hiemanshu: sweet.. good news that there are additional devices available for community devs.. :D20:58
M4rtinK2just  to be sure :)20:58
hiemanshurcg1: yup, a game dev should get some :)20:59
fiferboyhiemanshu: How did you offend aegis?21:01
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hiemanshufiferboy: find / -iname *aegis* -exec rm -rf :P21:01
rcg1hehe.. yeah some good games would be nice as well.. :)21:01
rcg1MohammadAG: i gave it a shot to build system-ui via obs.. though i suspect it to fail at last in the final steps with the known problems connected to the aegis manifest21:02
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macmaNMohammadAG: enjoying n950?21:18
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rcg1huh?.. sweet system-ui even built via the obs ->
rcg1MohammadAG: ^21:29
rcg1there you get the system-ui-dev package21:29
rcg1and it seems it made it through the obs even though it includes an aegis manifest21:32
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captainiglooi build some libs and bins with scratchbox, and try to execute them on the n95021:41
captainigloobut without success21:41
captainiglooi read some posts on the meego forum about security21:41
captainigloobut i'm not able to run my binaries21:42
djszapi|windowsand install it by the dpkg wrapper21:42
captainiglooand i have flashed my n950 two times, so i come here for some help ^^21:42
djszapi|windowspackage it21:42
djszapi|windowsflashing is quite irrelevant :)21:42
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captainigloo my n950 was no rebooting after some changes ...21:43
captainiglooi try to package it, maybe with a quick and dirty method21:43
captainiglooi just put all my binaries in the debian.tar.gz21:43
djszapi|windowsdo not make dirty method, and then asking for help :)21:43
captainiglooand the control in debian.tar.gz21:44
djszapi|windowsuse the tools that were written for this purpose....21:44
captainiglooyes sorry ^^21:44
captainigloowich are ?21:44
djszapi|windowsdpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot21:44
djszapi|windowsor QtCreator.21:44
captainiglooin scratchbox ?21:45
djszapi|windowsyes, you have a dpkg-buildpackage tool.21:46
captainigloook ! thanks21:46
djszapi|windowscaptainigloo: do not fall into the whining people's failure, problem is always coming from aegis ;)21:47
captainigloodjszapi|windows: yes indeed ... i will try with the right method21:48
lcukwhen things are moving fast, do they have red shift?21:50
lcukbecause when I pan lists on harmattan, they get a green tint21:50
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MohammadAGwhat's the NDA's opinion on a campaign for the N95021:51
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djszapi|windowslcuk what do you mean ?22:03
lcukdjszapi|windows, when you pan a list in harmattan on the n95022:03
lcukwith white text22:03
lcukthe white colour gets a green tint22:03
djszapi|windowsnot here22:03
lcukafaik relating to the refresh rate of pixels22:03
lcukblack background/white text22:04
lcukthe icon grid labels do it22:04
djszapi|windowsare you from greenpeace ? :D22:04
djszapi|windowsscrn :p22:04
djszapi|windowslcuk: it seems white here.22:05
lcukdjszapi|windows, n9 or n950?22:06
djszapi|windowsdouble checked both22:06
lcukharder to spot on the applaunch grid22:07
GeneralAntillesMan, the N950 has terrible reception.22:09
Stskeepssupposedly fw issue22:10
djszapi|windowsGeneralAntilles: yes, whining people happen to be everywhere.22:10
w00t_i actually get pretty good reception.. even when I was up up and away in the middle of the mountains in the middle of nowhere22:10
GeneralAntillesdjszapi|windows, easy now. That's what IRC is for. :)22:10
lcukGeneralAntilles, i thought you weren't using this anymore?22:10
wazd <- what do you guys think? I can't come up with any more tweaks, looks solid to me22:10
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djszapi|windowsGeneralAntilles: :p Let me not qualify meego on N900 then :)22:11
lcukwazd, visibility "1000000 metres" isn't that granted if you can see the sun?22:11
lcukand tbh, the one you posted yesterday22:12
lcukwas more balanced22:12
lcukI even tried to emulate the layout myself22:12
GeneralAntillesdjszapi|windows, it pisses me off when my N900 reboots into N900CE in the middle of the night and I pick it up in the morning and it's MeeGo. :P22:12
lcukGeneralAntilles, I didn't know you were dualbooting it?22:13
lcukhow have you found the summer edition?22:13
* lcuk quite likes it 22:13
lcukand even more now I fixed the caulculator22:13
GeneralAntillesLess useful than Maemo.22:13
GeneralAntillesSo mostly pointless for my purposes22:13
wazdlcuk: well, that's what sends in its rss :)22:13
GeneralAntillesWill be more useful if/when I can test Qt Components stuff there.22:13
lcuklol wazd22:13
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lcukwazd, that is visiblity of 600miles22:14
djszapi|windowsGeneralAntilles: I think the image is also fairly old containing already fixed and annoying bugs22:14
lcukor is the , a .22:14
djszapi|windowsI like this project, at least we have something working nicely, even with issues. (Note: nothing is perfect :)22:15
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wazdlcuk: previous layout falls apart with this load of info unfortunately :(22:16
lcukwazd understandable22:16
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lcukwazd, did you see the weather chart I did a few weeks ago?  I will find it its amusing22:16
lcukwazd, anytime I have drawn a bit of something for weather they got tagged together22:17
lcukand now flow around europe22:17
lcukthis is actually better view
lcukhas lovely coloured sunshine :)22:18
djszapi|windowslcuk: niftiness :)22:18
lcukdjszapi|windows indeed22:19
M4rtinK2lbt: what to do if a package is stuck building for hours ? its state is "Updating...", there is no abort build button and the live logs shows no movement22:21
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djszapi|windowsM4rtinK2: you cannot do much on the webinterface, just with osc. You can abort it. It is a shame it is not exposed on the webinterface22:22
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Venemogood evening guys22:23
djszapi|windowsVenemo o/ :)22:23
Venemohey djszapi|windows :)22:24
M4rtinK2djszapi|windows: thanks, must have overlooked it in the osc documentation :)22:24
djszapi|windowsVenemo: How are you ?22:25
lbtM4rtinK2: OK now?22:25
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djszapi|windowsVenemo: how is your IRC client coming ?22:27
Venemo_sorry, I've been disconnected22:27
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VenemoI'm using the N950 as my modem22:27
M4rtinK2lbt: seems to be unstuck now :)22:28
lbtgood to know22:28
Venemodjszapi|windows, it's coming well, but I'm still having trouble with that PinchArea thing.22:28
M4rtinK2so for the log: package stuck building -> run: "osc abortbuild project_name"22:29
djszapi|windowsVenemo: ah I see.22:29
Venemodjszapi|windows, basically the PinchArea eats all single-touch events.22:30
Venemowhich is bad.22:30
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SpeedEvilCan anyone comment on the state of harmattan at the beginning of the year?22:48
SpeedEvilWas it booting and usable, were there devices with early images going around?22:49
Venemosomething bad (I have no idea what) was happening with harmattan in 2009-201022:50
Venemothey (Nokia), claimed to be working on it since the N900's launch.22:50
SpeedEvilIndeed. There's a big difference between 'commits going on in GIT', and an actual 'usable' image though.22:51
VenemoI think that somewhere along the way something really bad happened (eg. the started over from scratch, or sth.)22:52
* w00t_ is quite sure harmattan would have many stories to tell, if only it could tell them22:52
Venemow00t_, yeah22:53
Venemow00t_, unfortunately the people who could tell those stories are not allowed to tell them22:53
djszapi|windowswhy is it important to know ?22:53
Venemodjszapi|windows, not important at all, just interesting22:54
Venemowhat I'm also curious about is the _real_ truth behind the N95022:54
djszapi|windowsdo you also know the development lifecycle of Linux and other projects ? :)22:54
w00t_perhaps that's for the best, after all, as Stskeeps says sometimes.. mobile OS development is a bit like a sausage, really, really tasty, but you don't wanna know how it's made or what's inside :-)22:54
Venemow00t_ :D22:54
Venemow00t_, do you happen to be good with QML?22:55
VenemoI have a problem to which noone knows the answer :(22:55
w00t_I'm still a beginner22:55
w00t_PinchArea? so I saw22:55
w00t_I've never used gestures at all22:55
VenemoI want to use a pinch gesture in my app to show/hide the status bar and toolbar22:56
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SpeedEvildjszapi: It's not important to know. It's interesting - I'm wondering somewhat what the state was back in november or whenever before Elop was approached.23:00
Venemocould anyone help me with this?
djszapi|windows_Venemo: Could you please send me your IRC client in mail once it works ? I am looking forward to hearing from it :)23:17
djszapi|windows_Please make sure it also works properly without HKB, aka VK. It would be nice to have one working client on N9.23:18
Venemodjszapi|windows_, I'll put it on the web somewhere, maybe I'll learn to use the COBS too.23:18
Venemodjszapi|windows_, I'm already making sure of that! :)23:18
djszapi|windows_sure, but I would like to get notification, if possible :)23:18
Venemoyou'll be the first to know :P23:19
Venemobut everyone will be able to see when I log in as Venemo_N95023:19
Venemowhich reminds me, I should register that name with NickServ23:20
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Venemodjszapi|windows_, I still need to write GUI for server configuration (should be effortless), then I will use libircclient-qt as a backend (should be easy as well, once I can build a package of that for the N950)23:24
djszapi|windows_Venemo: awesome niftiness :)23:25
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Venemodjszapi|windows_, I think the Maemo5 packaged version will work fine.23:26
Venemomaybe the lib has some new stuff since then, but I'm not sure I need that.23:26
djszapi|windows_from what I can say, fremantle to harmattan port is much more painful than wheezy to harmattan port.23:27
Venemoit doesn't need porting23:27
Venemoit's just a lib depending on Qt23:27
fiferboylibircclient-qt is there :)23:28
djszapi|windows_except that, it is not futile how it was built...23:28
VenemoI think the fremantle version didn't receive any porting either, just the packaging was done by a Maemo guy23:28
Venemohmm, MohammadAG has been working I see :)23:28
Venemothanks fiferboy for the link23:28
VenemoMohammadAG, pingping, please send me the sources for that package23:29
fiferboyNo problem, I recalled him saying he built it earlier23:29
Venemoah, I see he also built communi23:29
Venemoa pity that QWidgets don't work well on Harmattan23:29
djszapi|windows_communi is useless on N923:29
tommaVenemo, QWidgets work pretty well if you use stylesheets23:30
fiferboyVenemo: Someone (RST38h?) compiled a Qt app with the global setFont() and said it was improved23:31
Venemotomma, they're slow. _very_.23:31
Venemoat least Puzzle Master was very-very underwhelmingly slow when I tried to just build it23:32
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tommayeah widgets wont be drawn as fast as qml but still you can reuse QWidget application with stylesheet tweaking23:35
Venemoin this case, it's unplayably and unenjoyably slow so I can not :(23:36
djszapi|workI think it is not a style question, mainly zooming opportunity23:36
Venemodjszapi|work, nope, in my case it's a question of performance.23:39
djszapi|workI was referring to that communi is useless without being able to zoom23:40
VenemoI think it has a setting for font size if that's what you're looking for23:44
djszapi|worknope, I am looking for zooming23:45
djszapi|workaka. pincharea which is not available since it does does not use neither meegotouch nor components.23:45
Venemowhat exactly would you like to zoom?23:46
tommapincharea is not in copnents23:46
tommait is in QtQuick 1.123:46
Venemotomma, communi doesn't use QtQuick.23:46
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djszapi|worktomma: zooming is available directly from meegotouch as well...23:47
djszapi|workVenemo anything, but most straight-forwardly the input fields.23:47
tommawell Qt has also gesture for pinch23:48
djszapi|workyes, of course..23:51
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djszapi|workwe have actually been using that for a while.23:51
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Venemomeh, I got disconnected again23:52
Venemodjszapi, djszapi|work: so how do you imagine this zooming feature?23:53
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