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| RST38h | fiferboy: no, I simply could not found a way to do it, syntactically | 00:00 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: My Qt/QML interaction has been solely model, signal, and slot so far | 00:00 |
| fiferboy | I know it is _technically_ supposed to be possbile to work QML in with QWidgets | 00:01 |
| RST38h | Well, my stuff is a little bit more ... involved | 00:01 |
| RST38h | and there is a lot of devil in the details | 00:01 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: Yeah, I take it you won't be writing emulators in raw QML anytime soon ;) | 00:01 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: you are running the qt mainloop in the emus? | 00:02 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: I take it you have seen this aritcle: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-integration.html | 00:03 |
| fiferboy | Looks like adding the declarative view to a Qt layout is the way to go | 00:03 |
| RST38h | javispedro: yes | 00:03 |
| RST38h | javispedro: via QCoreApplication::processEvents() | 00:03 |
| fiferboy | The other way is graphicsview, but I have no experience with that | 00:04 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: aha | 00:04 |
| javispedro | RST38h: changing the way you render to the screen? or still hit the FB directly? | 00:05 |
| rm_work | still need to figure out what's holding back proper playback of x264 video... i thought it was supposed to be handled in the DSP this time | 00:05 |
| javispedro | rm_work: this is the kind of bug that would get Nokia based on engadget's first page, so whatever it is they surely have one engineer full time working on it. | 00:07 |
| javispedro | s/based/surely/ | 00:07 |
| * javispedro still has some optimism left | 00:07 | |
| rm_work | lol | 00:07 |
| rm_work | yeah i am holding out to see what enhancements come with the next firmware | 00:07 |
| rm_work | though all i've heard on the timeline still is just speculation | 00:08 |
| javispedro | I don't expect much save for a few major bugs fixed | 00:08 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Any luck there? | 00:08 |
| rm_work | it's peculiar that mplayer NOT using the DSP is only ~5% more CPU >_> | 00:08 |
| javispedro | like the incall UI "blackout" | 00:08 |
| rm_work | gah that's annoying | 00:08 |
| rm_work | i have that now | 00:08 |
| rm_work | can't really use it as a phone anymore | 00:08 |
| rm_work | or, can sometimes, but if i hit voicemail i'm boned | 00:09 |
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| rm_work | or if i need to press keys like for my bank's automated system | 00:09 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: ironically, it worked (the integration article) | 00:09 |
| rm_work | if i get someone's voicemail, they're gonna get a three hour message, because i can't hang up | 00:09 |
| rm_work | closing the window doesn't hang up the call :/ | 00:09 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: but now I have "DEVELOPER EDITION"title bar BELOW my app menu, between the menu and the qml view | 00:10 |
| * javispedro lols | 00:10 | |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Awesome! | 00:10 |
| javispedro | so that's how "nativelooking" QML works | 00:10 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: nah, broken | 00:11 |
| rm_work | still trying to figure out how to get something into the dropdown statusbar area (like the volume meter) | 00:11 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Boo! | 00:11 |
| * RST38h will avoid QML for now | 00:11 | |
| fiferboy | Time for me to go, though | 00:11 |
| fiferboy | Good luck | 00:11 |
| RST38h | Does not mix with normal apps well | 00:11 |
| RST38h | same, good night | 00:11 |
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| javispedro | but you are mixing plain qt, meegotouch, qml on the same binary =) | 00:12 |
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| * javispedro ponders whether learning some metatracker voodoo or doing real work | 00:14 | |
| rm_work | well i'm getting really close to nailing down the exact most efficient profile mplayer can play on n950 | 00:17 |
| vandenoever | rm_work: cpu or with hw accel? | 00:18 |
| rm_work | cpu | 00:18 |
| rm_work | mplayer doesn't use the DSP i don't think | 00:18 |
| rm_work | except for audio | 00:18 |
| rm_work | since it does audio through pulse | 00:18 |
| vandenoever | rm_work: i thought maybe hw mpeg decoder | 00:18 |
| rm_work | but if you saw my previous figures for mplayer vs video-suite, it is not much slower without DSP :/ it's almost as if DSP does nothing | 00:18 |
| rm_work | DSP IS THE GOGGLES | 00:19 |
| javispedro | conclusion | 00:20 |
| javispedro | video player is using software decoding with a cpu limit. =) | 00:20 |
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| rm_work | lol | 00:34 |
| javispedro | sometimes when I look at the platform APIs.. | 00:37 |
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| javispedro | there's way too much stuff that makes this entire thing work together and which does not exist in desktop, not even true Meego. | 00:37 |
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| vandenoever | javispedro: you mean true meego is incomplete? | 00:39 |
| javispedro | yes | 00:40 |
| javispedro | for example looking at ths library that handles the menu of actions that is shown on hightlighted phone numbers, or email addresses... etc. | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_work: DSP may use less power, though being not faster. | 00:50 |
| rm_work | yeah | 00:51 |
| rm_work | but i didn't mean speed | 00:51 |
| rm_work | i meant CPU usage | 00:51 |
| javispedro | if rm_work's report of 5% difference in CPU usage is accurate ( ;) ) then DSP probably wastes battery. | 00:52 |
| rm_work | lol | 00:52 |
| rm_work | i did ask someone with a better idea of how to run these benchmarks to check my work | 00:52 |
| rm_work | this was a week or two ago | 00:52 |
| rm_work | so you were prolly on vacation :P | 00:53 |
| rm_work | all i did was run several tests with different videos, had a terminal open via SSH with 'top' running, and watched cpu and got a rough average over 30 seconds or so | 00:53 |
| rm_work | would run each video with mplayer and then video-suite | 00:53 |
| rm_work | tried switching the order with one or two videos to check for caching or anything, but it didn't seem to affect it | 00:54 |
| rm_work | anyway, the answer is actually something like.... 20FPS, up to 3000VBR, audio doesn't matter | 00:59 |
| rm_work | well, mp3 | 00:59 |
| javispedro | 854x480? | 01:00 |
| rm_work | only SUPER annoying thing left is that the screen blanks all the time -- it doesn't seem to know how to disable the screenlock | 01:00 |
| rm_work | yes | 01:00 |
| rm_work | scale down to fit inside the screen | 01:01 |
| rm_work | scaling is the #1 performance hit | 01:01 |
| rm_work | followed by too high FPS | 01:01 |
| rm_work | and x264 decoding | 01:01 |
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| GAN900 | So much spam. | 01:12 |
| rm_work | lol | 01:13 |
| rm_work | well bbl | 01:13 |
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| wazd | http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1108/95/e74fa9e26f5f.png <- latest OMWeather concept, sorry for russian :) Feedback? :) | 01:13 |
| javispedro | not sure about the background | 01:15 |
| javispedro | but nice touch with the temperature color! | 01:15 |
| wazd | javispedro: maybe narrow it down a bit? | 01:16 |
| javispedro | hmm | 01:17 |
| javispedro | well it might look nice on device | 01:17 |
| wazd | feel free to test it :D | 01:17 |
| javispedro | aha, GAN900 and Texrat's lengthy politics discussion has now been replaced by some webos discussion about some new firmware on my twitter homepage | 01:19 |
| wazd | javispedro: http://i052.radikal.ru/1108/3b/21e30d190dec.png how about this one? :) | 01:20 |
| javispedro | yes, better imho | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, congratulations? | 01:21 |
| wazd | javispedro: looks better on the device too | 01:21 |
| javispedro | GAN900: so I take you are Marxist-Leninist socialist? | 01:22 |
| * javispedro is obviously kidding, and did appreciate the discussion | 01:22 | |
| wazd | also | 01:23 |
| wazd | What do you guys think bout "pull down to update" gesture? | 01:23 |
| javispedro | hm | 01:23 |
| wazd | I find it fancy, the only problem is user "initiation" | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, :p | 01:24 |
| javispedro | wouldn't it prevent scrolling? | 01:24 |
| wazd | javispedro: it works on the top of the list | 01:24 |
| wazd | javispedro: try the facebook app on n950 | 01:24 |
| javispedro | ah | 01:24 |
| javispedro | I should sometime, to see what they do. | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | wazd, get your N950? | 01:26 |
| wazd | GAN900: yep :) | 01:26 |
| wazd | GAN900: surprise-surprise :D | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | wazd, hehe. | 01:27 |
| wazd | GAN900: actually Nokia Russia worked really great this time | 01:27 |
| javispedro | hah | 01:27 |
| javispedro | nice to hear | 01:27 |
| wazd | GAN900: shockingly great :) | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | wazd, how'd'you like it? | 01:27 |
| wazd | GAN900: awesome device, wish I had phone UI to call somebody :D | 01:28 |
| GAN900 | Wait, /I/ have a phone UI. | 01:28 |
| javispedro | depends on your lock | 01:29 |
| javispedro | *luck | 01:29 |
| meegoexperts | wazd: Great looking concept pic :-) | 01:29 |
| javispedro | some people have a black screen for UI | 01:29 |
| wazd | I had it too, but it's gone now :) | 01:29 |
| wazd | meegoexperts: thx :) | 01:29 |
| wazd | meegoexperts: hope we'll be able to deliver the actual app asap | 01:30 |
| meegoexperts | Wow | 01:31 |
| meegoexperts | That will be good | 01:31 |
| meegoexperts | I look forward to it ;) | 01:32 |
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| Ken-Young | I am trying to figure out how to run python scripts on my loaner N950. I have executed devel-su, develsh and aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec, but I still get "Operation not permitted" when I try to execute a python script. Does anyone know now I can get that to work? | 01:53 |
| Ken-Young | s/now/how/ | 01:53 |
| javispedro | one of the following: do not run them as root. use python yourscript.py to run them. | 01:54 |
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| kimju | or package them with correct aegis manifest. | 01:55 |
| Ken-Young | javispedro, Yeah, I know I can feed the script to python as stdin, and that works, but it's a pain. Is there no way to get the box to allow you to execute scripts in the normal way, with #!/usr/bin/python as the first line? | 01:55 |
| javispedro | there was my other option, and the one kimju specified (no manifest needed, just packaging) | 01:56 |
| Ken-Young | What does aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec do? It seems to be a NOOP as far as I can tell. | 01:56 |
| javispedro | it allows you to run unsigned binaries as USER. | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | What does the SDK actually do to sign a binary. | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Ship off the hash to a nokia server for a signature? | 01:57 |
| Ken-Young | javispedro, But you still can't run unsigned scripts? | 01:57 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: during late packaging stages it creates a digsigsums files with all SHA1 hashes, and attaches it to .deb | 01:57 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: no signatures involved, which is the reason the packages are classified as "unknown origin" | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 01:57 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: this is what developer mode is about: unknown origin gets a few more privileges than in full closed mode. | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I see. | 01:58 |
| javispedro | Ken-Young: yes you can, as user | 01:58 |
| javispedro | Ken-Young: use "aegis-exec -u user -l" to get a "user" shell | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I hope the statements today about nokia stuff not checking if it's in aegis-off mode, combined with own-kernel without aegis pan out. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Because that's a useful 'nuclear option'. | 01:59 |
| * javispedro has some hope too. | 01:59 | |
| SpeedEvil | On a slightly related matter. | 01:59 |
| javispedro | more and more people are realizing that aegis is a pain in the ass (see qole for ex.) and loudly complaining | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume n9 apps on n900 is a non-starter? | 01:59 |
| javispedro | eventually this will escalate or be quickly resolved. | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | well - floating point using | 02:00 |
| javispedro | the other day I was surprised about one fact: the dynamic loader doesn't care if your ABI doesn't match. | 02:00 |
| javispedro | and will happily run hardfp apps in softfpabi system | 02:00 |
| Ken-Young | javispedro, OK, I became root, ran develsh, ran aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec, ran aegis-exec -u user -l, and I *still* can't run a python script. | 02:00 |
| javispedro | Ken-Young: reboot | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | That's a bit careless of it. | 02:00 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: on the other side it means you can run non-fp apps happily on either system | 02:01 |
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| javispedro | (or even fp apps that do not make external library calls) | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: Another fun app I thought of. Clip n900 to binoculars. start app. App says 'point at moon' This calibrates the magnetometer for the offset. App now tells you what you're pointing the binocs at. | 02:01 |
| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, I'm really looking forward to having fun like that with the magnetometer, once I've gotten over the initial learning curve. | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I hope it turns out to be accurate enough. | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I' be playing with it - but... | 02:04 |
| Ken-Young | javispedro, WOW - it does work after the reboot. Thanks for the tip! | 02:04 |
| javispedro | ah, the mysteries of aegis | 02:05 |
| Ken-Young | I'm going to go check to see if that fixed my refrigerator too. | 02:05 |
| javispedro | remember that once you start abusing aegis, he will eventually enrage and self-destruct, requiring you to reflash | 02:07 |
| javispedro | so take care and backups. | 02:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: There was a claim earlier that the lockup bug may be related to an issue on the internal bugtracker which is fixed on internal images. | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder when the images may pop up. | 02:15 |
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| javispedro | oh well, that is good news. | 02:15 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:06 |
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| Scifig | Hi, can anyone pls point me to any documentation on how/where to deploy upstart scripts in harmattan? | 07:28 |
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| Rizzer | the QML Tumbler element, it's there in the sample QMLComponents app but there's no direct documentation for it. It's tucked away in com.nokia.extras or something. Is it deprecated, or is it safe to use in an app? | 08:23 |
| antman8969 | well, what does deprecated mean? It won't be supported in the future? | 08:27 |
| antman8969 | neither will the platform... | 08:27 |
| antman8969 | I think you're safe | 08:27 |
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| Rizzer | I worried about deprecation because the only docs I can find for it are listed under symbian (e.g. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-components-symbian-1.0/qt-components-extras.html), and because the element generates a warning "The semantics of screen.width property is deprecated, see QTCOMPONENTS-521. Please use screen.displayWidth to query native screen width.", suggesting it's not maintained any more. | 08:29 |
| antman8969 | well it uses deprecated methods | 08:31 |
| antman8969 | but if you really need a tumbler then you can use the source and package it with your app | 08:32 |
| antman8969 | if the only deprecated thing about it is the screen query, it won't be hard to fix | 08:32 |
| antman8969 | I don't think they will be removing it though | 08:32 |
| antman8969 | even after a qt update | 08:32 |
| Rizzer | true that. I can just copy it over. Seems inefficient though. It's a useful element, why would they not upgrade it to mainstream? | 08:33 |
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| antman8969 | they may come out with another | 08:37 |
| antman8969 | i wouldn't say it's inefficient really though... the file is probably no more than 10-20 kbs? | 08:38 |
| antman8969 | considering you alternative... making your own | 08:38 |
| antman8969 | which will probably be no better than theirs, but still take up room | 08:38 |
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| Rizzer | at least it works, apart from the warning. I'll keep using it for now. | 08:41 |
| npm | anybody have suggestions for getting QML WebView to be able to read from servers with bad certificates, such as, https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=NielsMayer&ctype=csv&columnlist=all | 08:45 |
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| npm | that's all that stands between me and getting this working on harmattan/meego: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugzhibit-timeline.png && http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugxhibit.png | 08:47 |
| * npm wonders about setting up a builtin proxyserver to "eat" the SSL errors | 08:49 | |
| Summeli | npm: you have to catch the qnetwork error about the certificate and ignore it :) | 08:50 |
| Summeli | QSSL error or something similar | 08:50 |
| npm | Summeli: thanks for the hint | 08:52 |
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| dm8tbr | jftr: I took another 'dead' bl-4d (low discharge triggered, 0V on pins) and after hooking up usb charger and pressing the power button repeatedly: boots just fine | 09:04 |
| dm8tbr | the only thing remaining to be tested is an 'old' battery by using a 7\Omega in series | 09:05 |
| divan | http://www.ted.com/talks/harald_haas_wireless_data_from_every_light_bulb.html | 09:07 |
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| wazd | woo all | 11:36 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:49 |
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| thp | wazd: woo | 12:15 |
| kimju | mikhas, you are expert on input methods? could you point to some documentation about how to prevent vkb from showing up in a program (and then enabling it again) via button/menu in the program | 12:28 |
| wazd | thp: heyhey :) | 12:32 |
| mikhas | kimju, mark your widgets as non-focusable | 12:32 |
| mikhas | if you LMT, you can use MTextEdit::setAutoSipEnabled to false | 12:32 |
| kimju | can it still receive hwkb events then? | 12:33 |
| mikhas | if they are non-focusable, no | 12:34 |
| kimju | hmm, that would not work then. | 12:35 |
| kimju | and another way, is it possible to keep vkb always visible while in program? | 12:36 |
| mikhas | nope, I requested such sticky VKB API myself some time ago … | 12:36 |
| kimju | I'm hacking the terminal currently, some of the programs I ran in it doesn't like when the screen gets resized when vkb shows/hides.. | 12:37 |
| mikhas | you could experiment with moving the X window, instead of resize | 12:37 |
| mikhas | (or just the top-most scene window, in case of the terminal) | 12:38 |
| mikhas | of course you need to make sure that any additional terminal control is then either in IM toolbar or a floating overlay element | 12:39 |
| kimju | I already added option to lock the orientation to landscape/portrait, that helps some. and ignore resize events when window isInSwitcher, another to disable/enable the vkb would be nice. | 12:40 |
| kimju | yeah, the menu is opened from floating overlay button | 12:41 |
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| kimju | now the problem is that if I have hwkb open and swipe to another screen, then (accidentally) open the terminal from switcher with hwkb closed, it opens with vkb and resizes before I can open the hwkb. | 12:43 |
| kimju | also, without hwkb at all, it would be nice to have some programs that don't need constant input running on full screen terminal, without vkb taking half of the screen | 12:44 |
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| thp | wazd: have your n950 and some time handy? | 13:00 |
| Arkenoi | how can i turn "smart" (fscking dumb!) input off (which forces the first letter in "sentence" to be english and uppercase)? | 13:03 |
| thp | Arkenoi: settings -> time and langugage -> textinput -> disable error correction? | 13:07 |
| Arkenoi | thp: it says it applies to vkb only, will try anyways | 13:08 |
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| Arkenoi | and yes, it applies to vkb only, no effect on hardware keyboard | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | anyone experiencing a no sim card issue | 13:11 |
| spenap | MohammadAG, it happened to me yesterday, and rebooting it fixed it | 13:19 |
| spenap | but it was quite strange :-/ | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | reboot didn't fix it, had to take out the sim and insert it | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG | How does the N950 determine that an installation is broken? | 13:43 |
| frals | MohammadAG: did you guys have to sign any PLA or something to get the N950? | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | frals, PLA? | 13:47 |
| frals | product loan agreement | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | I "signed" an NDA | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | not that I remember no | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | there was a PLA too | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | I've seen the PLA on fmc | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | but I don't recall signing it | 13:48 |
| frals | if you signed the NDA i guess that superseedes the PLA anyway | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | well, the NDA was standard, not specific to the N950 | 13:49 |
| tomma | QtAmbassadors signed PLA | 13:52 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | anyone tapped into the FMTX yet? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | EHLO Mohammad | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | heya RST38h | 13:54 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: no antenna, so useless | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, that can be arranged later on | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | headset..? | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: QApplication::setFont() should fix Communi | 13:55 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: also can you patch communi? | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | exactly | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: t least it worked for me, made the Qt menu bigger | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, shouldn't -font fix it too? :P | 13:55 |
| razvanpetru | is this the security framework at work: when I start the app from terminal I can save contacts, when I start from launcher it crashes when I try to save a contact. When i launch from QtCreator it works again... | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: -font does not work for me, dunno why | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Yes, it should do exactly the same thing, in theory | 13:55 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: nope, -font wont work here | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | insmod: error inserting 'radio-wl1273.ko': -1 Operation not permitted | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | grr | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Aegis. | 13:56 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: it doesn't work if you have Qt compiled with fontconfig support, and IIRC Qt is compiled with fontconfig support | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone compiled mplayer yet? | 14:32 |
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| Arkenoi | which repository new shiny mg-terminal is in now? | 14:34 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, I can't believe it | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | There's a new shiny mg-terminal? C&P? Link opening? | 14:34 |
| slaine | Are there any QtQuick+Harmattan components sample apps / tutorials ? | 14:34 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG, you get it in Israel before I get it in Australia. What has the world come to? :p just kidding | 14:34 |
| Arkenoi | iirc someone mentioned there is | 14:35 |
| sivang | oh finally. | 14:35 |
| sivang | MOSLO is the new boot loader I suppose? | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, yes :P | 14:35 |
| Jaffa | slaine: developwr.nokia.com an | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | you should move here Termana | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | you'll love it | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, no | 14:35 |
| Termana | lol... yeah nah, I think I can live with the delayed postage thanks :p | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | NOLO is still the bootloader, MOSLO is something for dual booting | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | also, I'm impressed with the battery life | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | libass/ass_bitmap.c:27: fatal error: ft2build.h: No such file or directory grr | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | no freetype headers, why the f are -dev packages missing | 14:37 |
| Arkenoi | I guess we are impressed with the battery life as we do not have messaging account plugins yet | 14:37 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't use those on the N900 and it barely lasts me a day | 14:37 |
| Arkenoi | hmm, with messaging set to offline n900 lasted 2-3 days for me | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | which reminds me, I need to compile haze/pecan | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, with 3G/Wifi? | 14:38 |
| Arkenoi | yes | 14:38 |
| Arkenoi | btw n950 does not work with my office network | 14:39 |
| Arkenoi | none of two modes -- wpa2/peap and wep/peap | 14:39 |
| javispedro | moo. | 14:39 |
| lardman | my battery life seems to have fallen quite badly in recent days | 14:39 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: what is it then? | 14:39 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: battery life is AMAZING | 14:40 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: bro, I tell you, this is the best ever device to be released on the planet. | 14:40 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: some misakens were nicely learned from :) | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | some were introduced, hi aegis | 14:40 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: also I like the auto bot that does automatic power saving | 14:41 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: so I've heared ;) | 14:41 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: giving you hard time? | 14:41 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: would you prefer to develop on a non secure device like WP7? :) | 14:41 |
| sivang | (unsure about security contexts there, talking out of arse) | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, in some ways | 14:41 |
| Arkenoi | btw a device with keyboard like that, flawless email connectivity and remote ssh access that enables mass management by IT helpdesk could be real blackberry killer.. or e7 killer at least :-) | 14:42 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: com'on, we must stop whine at some point :) | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not whining | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm just saying aegis was a mistake | 14:42 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: I had some plans for that, for creating full fledgued apps to manage remote clouds and server, we can create a plesk app to run on it | 14:42 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: mistakes have been done and will be done :) this is how stuff are made | 14:43 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: but I take it you are happy with it as I am :) | 14:43 |
| * javispedro thinks Aegis is fine, just don't seal enforcing mode on a developer device dammit! | 14:43 | |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it's an awesome device | 14:43 |
| Arkenoi | wow, plesk :-) ( try /whois arkenoi ) | 14:43 |
| sivang | javispedro: lol! A marekting mistake :-p | 14:43 |
| * javispedro now ponders | 14:44 | |
| javispedro | ok, so Aegis can/may block read and/or write access to tracker | 14:44 |
| javispedro | I ponder what kind of hoops I have to go through if I want to make a tracker provider/miner | 14:45 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: patching communi yet? :P | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | no, trying to build mplaye | 14:45 |
| hiemanshu | there is mplayer already IIRC | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | r | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/include/ft2build.h:56: fatal error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory | 14:45 |
| hiemanshu | !packrat | 14:45 |
| Summeli | javispedro: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Security_Tokens here's a list of security tokens | 14:45 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: infobot is gone since a few days ago | 14:46 |
| javispedro | Summeli: believe I know them by heart :) | 14:46 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 14:46 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/index.php?Action=list&System=.%2F&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repo=0 | 14:46 |
| Summeli | javispedro: ok :) | 14:46 |
| Summeli | so you'll need more than just the tokens :-) | 14:46 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: http://sheeplauncher.net/debs add that your sources.list.d | 14:46 |
| hiemanshu | it has mplayer and such | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | oh nice, libmafw | 14:47 |
| lardman | ah back to the good old 770 days of multiple repos | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | should build my mediaplayer sometime | 14:47 |
| javispedro | lardman: yes, indeed... | 14:47 |
| lardman | all that work to persuade people to submit their apps to a centralised repo, gone in one fell swoop | 14:48 |
| javispedro | it had to happen. | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | I feel like I'm on Symbian agian | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | again* | 14:48 |
| * RST38h yawns | 14:48 | |
| RST38h | So, folks, how are things? | 14:49 |
| javispedro | note though that rzr set up some kind of obs shared repo | 14:49 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | haven't we agreed that the centralized repo is http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/? | 14:49 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Anyone willing to accept a few binary packages into his repo? | 14:49 |
| javispedro | hah | 14:49 |
| javispedro | that's another question | 14:49 |
| * RST38h is too lazy to figure out how to set up a debian repo on FreeBSD | 14:49 | |
| MohammadAG | sh: mplayer: Operation not permitted LOL | 14:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Package and install as a deb, it will work | 14:50 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: ? | 14:50 |
| javispedro | or use --relaxed-exec and run as user | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, that was the deb | 14:50 |
| javispedro | but I bet mplayer does a lot of forbidden stuff | 14:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Also, enable running-arbitrary-binaries-as-root in Aegis | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | I have relaxed-exec | 14:51 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 14:51 |
| RST38h | What the hell does mplayer do then? =) Interesting | 14:51 |
| javispedro | also reboot | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | oh, as user | 14:51 |
| * sivang misses skype itnegration in N900 | 14:51 | |
| sivang | (Maemo) | 14:51 |
| sivang | what's the difference between CE and DE? | 14:51 |
| sivang | (meego handset) | 14:52 |
| hiemanshu | sivang: #meego-arm please | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | DE was renamed to CE | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | Communist Edition | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Met. | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Mer, sorry. | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | how are .ivt files made? | 14:53 |
| javispedro | ivt? | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | you know how the Nokia tune vibrates on the N950? | 14:53 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: ah, that's all? nice | 14:53 |
| Arkenoi | sivang, n9 has it, so hopefully it will be in n950 as well after n9 launch | 14:53 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: you mean a plesk control app? | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | it uses the files in /usr/share/sounds/vibra | 14:53 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: or an app to manage and control your could and vds's? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: immersion player or soething | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | sivang, both are interesting. i mentioned /whois because i work for swsoft/parallels now :-) | 14:54 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: oh, and those apps are already there? | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | nope :-( | 14:54 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: I've been planning on this for 2 yeasr now :) since N900 cam eout, but never found the funding for | 14:55 |
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| Arkenoi | i may ask people around | 14:55 |
| Arkenoi | drop me a email about your vision | 14:55 |
| * RST38h will talk rm_you into creating a repo =) | 14:55 | |
| MohammadAG | oh thanks Stskeeps | 14:55 |
| lardman | anyone have any experience of OCR e.g. Tesseract? | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Hohoho | 14:56 |
| javispedro | this is stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: closed source crap, no idea if it is possible to get editors for it | 14:56 |
| Arkenoi | arkenoi@gmail.com | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | err | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 14:56 |
| * javispedro sighs at the entire packages situation | 14:56 | |
| Summeli | I almost got my package building at obs :) | 14:56 |
| Summeli | good that I didn't put too much effort into it, since it seems pretty irrelevant now | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | tbh, we should've just used the same extras-devel system | 14:57 |
| M4rtinK2 | OBS is fun :) | 14:57 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: +1 | 14:57 |
| lardman | at least for the time being while people are hacking and porting apps over | 14:57 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: It is a nice idea and highly helpful for sysadmin on duty. | 14:57 |
| Arkenoi | does easybed-chroot from repository mentioned above really work? no aegis problems with it? | 14:58 |
| M4rtinK2 | home:rzr:harmattan is slowly becoming extras-devel, imho :) | 14:58 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: I need to find the specs and I can send it over. | 14:58 |
| lardman | M4rtinK2: very slowly as it only has 11 packages afaict | 14:59 |
| javispedro | and how do you publish to it? | 14:59 |
| javispedro | and, it does not help with nonfree packages | 14:59 |
| kimju | obs is no fun: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old | 14:59 |
| lardman | oh I tell a lie, quite a few in there | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | M4rtinK2, slowly | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you need to be added | 15:00 |
| javispedro | kimju: it works better than yesterday | 15:02 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: got my email? | 15:02 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: let's make this a project o promote the N9 :) | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | yep. when should i remind you? | 15:04 |
| kimju | trigger rebuild doesn't seems to work today either, and I don't have any new changes to commit yet, so can't try if it would work today. | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | qjson is rzr's repo if anyone needs it | 15:08 |
| sivang | no other way to have qjson otherwise? | 15:08 |
| sivang | (on #n950, that is | 15:09 |
| w00t_ | hm. it's not in the repos? | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | not that I know of | 15:10 |
| w00t_ | huh, ok | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | regardless, qfacebook is also in rzr's repo | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | well, if it built that is | 15:10 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: is that teh fb app that comes with the N950? | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's a library for Facebook's graph API | 15:11 |
| sivang | ah nice | 15:11 |
| wazd | Arkenoi, RST38h: are you guys planning to visit N9 presentation @ Nokia Tverskaya Store? :) | 15:13 |
| sivang | is this in russia? :) | 15:14 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: so if I ship an app that uses qjson | 15:15 |
| wazd | yep | 15:15 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I need to tell user to include the repo as well? | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 15:15 |
| Arkenoi | wazd, when? | 15:15 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: Aug 21st I guess | 15:15 |
| Arkenoi | i think i will | 15:15 |
| wazd | cool | 15:16 |
| harbaum | sivang: Do you know http://nilier.blogspot.com/2010/08/json-parser-class-for-qt.html ? | 15:19 |
| harbaum | Is nearly a drop-in replacement and consists of just two mit licensed dfiles | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | where does QSettings store settings on the N950? | 15:21 |
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| MohammadAG | actually screw that, how do I style my Qt app? I wanna see how crappy it looks | 15:26 |
| divan | MohammadAG, isn't is ~/.config/? | 15:32 |
| divan | s/is/it/ | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | divan, yeah | 15:33 |
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| MohammadAG | -style meegotouch shows the default plastique style | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | do I need something installed? | 15:33 |
| hiemanshu | there is no meegotouch-qt-style sadly | 15:34 |
| harbaum | MohammadAG: Plain Qt apps are basically unusable on MeeGo | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | there is one in the SDK... | 15:41 |
| hiemanshu | harbaum: they aren't unusable, they are ugly | 15:41 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: its in SB, not in Qemu or the actual phone | 15:42 |
| harbaum | they are unusable, everything is so tiny, that you can't click it and subwindows are seperate windows which you have to use the icon overview to switch between. That's close to unuasble | 15:42 |
| vandenoever | still, with a proper, large, style, many plain Qt apps with only one window could be usable | 15:44 |
| hiemanshu | my app is very usuable in plain qt, just looks ugly | 15:45 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: nice, QSettings is used there alreadt? I thought it had only backends for filesystem | 15:45 |
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| MohammadAG | it's part of QtCore | 15:46 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I know, did not know it was used on systems that do not use a file based registery | 15:47 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: does ti back end to dbus? | 15:47 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: err, not dbus | 15:47 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: gconf | 15:47 |
| sivang | bad bad freudian mistake | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | _MEEGO_LOW_POWER_MODE <-- so I'm guessing this atom makes a window show even when the screen's off on the N9 | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, it was never backed by gconf | 15:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: correct | 15:53 |
| * MohammadAG uploads wmctrl to obs | 15:54 | |
| javispedro | if you are interested in the mcompositor atoms, there are a few hints in mwindowpropertycache.h | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | where's MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan? | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=wmctrl&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 15:56 |
| lcuk | new battery arrived and device booted happily | 15:57 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: there | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it wasn't there :( | 15:59 |
| javispedro | I was saying it is now :) | 15:59 |
| * MohammadAG blames Aegis | 15:59 | |
| MohammadAG | what's with No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment btw | 16:00 |
| javispedro | on a normal device, dpkg pases hashes of installed files via a pipe to something that sends them to the kernel | 16:00 |
| javispedro | (something is the "dpkg" binary itself -- because the real dpkg is somewhere else) | 16:01 |
| hiemanshu | well aegis intervenes the installation, checks the files, and if its ok, passes it to dpkg to install it | 16:02 |
| hiemanshu | and sends the hashes as well | 16:02 |
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| MohammadAG | wmctrl in repos | 16:05 |
| sivang | does N950 support OTG? | 16:05 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: ? :) | 16:05 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: what's an atom excuse me for asking? | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System_core_protocol#Atoms | 16:06 |
| javispedro | sivang: no OTG | 16:07 |
| javispedro | also, host will require killing aegis first. | 16:07 |
| sivang | javispedro: but what if I connect it to a N8 ? | 16:07 |
| sivang | javispedro: the N8 will let me use it as storatge, I suppose? | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Stupid question incoming. | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Nobody tried installing his own kernel so far? | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | that's not OTG | 16:08 |
| sivang | javispedro: no need for aegis and OTG fort hat, since N8 has it already | 16:08 |
| javispedro | RST38h: three people so far iirc | 16:08 |
| javispedro | no success | 16:08 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: ? :) | 16:08 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: so OTG, is the ability to host usb stuff that needs extra voltage no? | 16:08 |
| javispedro | I built a zImage and tried to load it using flasher -> rapidly blinking led, panic after 8 seconds | 16:08 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: err, that can act as USB contollers rather than slaves | 16:08 |
| RST38h | just need more time then =) | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it, there is no checking of code for packages. Surely arbitrary nastiness can be done, simply by having a package that edits a system init file? | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Or an unprotected config file. | 16:09 |
| javispedro | you can do some nastiness | 16:09 |
| javispedro | but not in the kernel.. | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | there is no CAP:loadmodule I assume? | 16:09 |
| javispedro | nope | 16:10 |
| javispedro | (I mean, there is, it's CAP::sys_module iirc, but obviously it's not granted) | 16:10 |
| javispedro | I worry that if they're going to keep the current seriousness about aegis, then that probably means no host at all: enabling usb host in the kernel presents a quite large attack surface | 16:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was stated yesterday at one point that the nokia binaries do not check for th epresence of aegis. | 16:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | So, boot a 'clean' kernel (yes, ...) and al of this goes away. | 16:12 |
| javispedro | I'll believe that when I see it. | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | devscripts uploaded | 16:12 |
| javispedro | strace of Nokia/Ovi account setup shows it talking with aegis | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | And all the user loses is angry birds. (and probably maps, drive) | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | those too | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I do hope there is't a SMS registration message again. | 16:13 |
| frals | :-( | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to have a poke around a device today or tomorrow I guess. | 16:13 |
| javispedro | note: optimist in me says it's talking with aegis beacuse of protected storage | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:14 |
| javispedro | pessimist says the "Service not available at the moment" error message was caused because Aegis said "no" | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis in 'just provide protected storage' mode might be a useful app. | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Also useful would be if you could supply your own root key, in 'open' mode, and get it to pretend to be closed. | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | But that's probably just for the paranoid amongst us. | 16:15 |
| javispedro | I also like application privilege separation. I obviously do not like fake root. | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Imagine a n9 which when you boot it requires you to touch it to a NFC token. | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Which gives the phone the key. | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | If the phone detects that it's outside BT range of this token, it shuts off. | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | If the user presses button on the token, the key goes away. | 16:16 |
| javispedro | I want my usb host! :( | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Me too. | 16:17 |
| * javispedro had made a qt for showing livescribe notes that I can't put to good use | 16:18 | |
| javispedro | *a qt app | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | Uploading x11-utils | 16:21 |
| slaine | In Qt Creator, can I break out the Help window to a separate window ? | 16:21 |
| * slaine is new to Qt | 16:21 | |
| MohammadAG | anyone got some "essential" tool.s that need packaging/uploading? | 16:22 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: x11-utils are already on device =) | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | o.o | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | oh right | 16:22 |
| javispedro | this is why we need an IntentToPackage ML ;) | 16:22 |
| rcg1 | javispedro: indeed | 16:26 |
| rcg1 | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3752&page=2 | 16:27 |
| rcg1 | javispedro: ^ | 16:27 |
| rcg1 | maybe such a subforum (see last post from me aka wonko) would be a good thing in that context as well? | 16:28 |
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| javispedro | the way things are going, we might even have a "itp.formeego.org" ;) | 16:30 |
| rcg1 | lol aye | 16:32 |
| javispedro | why do some usernames have ':' in repo.pub.meego.com paths? | 16:36 |
| javispedro | (and some others do not?) | 16:36 |
| rcg1 | and some even both ;) | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: means there is a subproject | 16:36 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: ah, ta. | 16:37 |
| trx | my n950 arrived finally :) | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | :} | 16:43 |
| Arkenoi | javispedro, seems that luit is either missing or i cannot find it | 16:44 |
| javispedro | "luit"? | 16:44 |
| lardman | javispedro: I think one is a default project and others not | 16:44 |
| lardman | something like that iirf | 16:44 |
| lardman | iirc | 16:44 |
| lardman | ah, beaten to it | 16:45 |
| Arkenoi | javispedro, yep, man luit on desktop linux | 16:45 |
| Arkenoi | a command line tool to recode terminal sessions | 16:46 |
| Arkenoi | very important for cyrillic users for historical reasons | 16:46 |
| Arkenoi | it was in x11-utils on n900 | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't there a compass app on the N9? | 16:47 |
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| divan | MohammadAG there is pretty nice one - https://projects.developer.nokia.com/compass | 16:48 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: so, you're boned -- unless you package it separately. | 16:48 |
| divan | javispedro, do you have "Service not available at the moment" issue with ovi account (and maps) as well? | 16:49 |
| javispedro | divan: reflash | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | I have a luit binary if you want it | 16:49 |
| divan | javispedro, did it help you? I've reflashed two times already and still have the problem. | 16:50 |
| javispedro | yes | 16:50 |
| Arkenoi | MohammadAG, yes please | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/luit Arkenoi | 16:51 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: didja rebuild communi? :P | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | no :P | 16:52 |
| Arkenoi | thanks | 16:52 |
| hiemanshu | ah, please do :) | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | lemme send libircclient-qt to the repos | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo's gonna need it anyways | 16:55 |
| Arkenoi | MohammadAG, works perfectly, thanks again | 16:58 |
| slaine | Ok, step 1 complete, Qt Creator installed and Harmattan QtQuick example compiled and running on the Harmattan Emulator | 17:04 |
| slaine | now to create my masterpiece | 17:05 |
| * lardman discovers that his wireless phones have an intercom function | 17:10 | |
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| * lardman thinks this might get annoying... | 17:11 | |
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| lardman | Anyone know of any pdf analysis software to provide useful access to e.g. a library of pdf papers | 17:15 |
| lardman | slightly ot I knoe | 17:15 |
| lardman | w | 17:15 |
| lardman | ah, this is what I remember seeing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiqqa | 17:18 |
| lardman | back on topic now, promise | 17:19 |
| lcuk | 70fps is not bad for n950 | 17:20 |
| fiferboy | I guess we don't know when qt components (and "extra" components) 1.1 will be available | 17:35 |
| * fiferboy starts thinking about building them from git | 17:35 | |
| * fiferboy stops thinking about it and starts doing it | 17:39 | |
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| MohammadAG | which package is mcontentitem.h in? | 17:49 |
| javispedro | libcontentaction? | 17:49 |
| javispedro | (not sure) | 17:49 |
| w00t_ | meegotouch | 17:50 |
| javispedro | btw, is there docs on how to make global/smartsearch show my stuff (it is indexed by tracker already)? | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | libmeegotouch-dev, /me goes looking for MStatusIndicatorMenuExtensionInterface | 17:51 |
| frals | javispedro: let device blank screen and wait x minutes while device is in idle :( | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | frals, | 17:54 |
| lcuk | but that action means the n950 is a quantum box | 17:54 |
| lcuk | you do not know the indexing is finished unless you unlock the device | 17:55 |
| javispedro | it is already indexed by tracker (this is a custom mimetype I am talking about :) ) | 17:55 |
| javispedro | but I was wondering whether there's something I need to do to show custom mimetypes on smartsearch | 17:55 |
| javispedro | (by indexed I mean I can already launch those sparql queries and they return meaningful data) | 17:55 |
| frals | smartsearch is unfortunately not as smart as it would appear wrt tracker | 17:56 |
| frals | iirc smartsearch is doing its own indexing for some damn reason, but dont quote me on that | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | someone said tracker, drink! | 17:56 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: and sparql! | 17:56 |
| * Stskeeps ponders designing a tmo drinking game | 17:57 | |
| MohammadAG | has anyone made a status menu plugin successfully? | 17:57 |
| javispedro | my reasoning is that there seems to be a complete lack of file open dialogs in Harmattan -- the preferred way is to just enumerate all files in the initial screen for each application | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | I've looked at the profile example, it builds since the header is in the source | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | but there's no system-ui-dev package | 17:58 |
| javispedro | so I was trying to use tracker for that, and it seems to work very well (well, didn't try Sparql Qml bindings yet, but tracker-sparql cmdline works) | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | or is there... | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | nice, loving how -dev packages are missing | 17:59 |
| * lardman saw smart search sat at 8% of cpu earlier | 18:00 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: weird, system-ui should be free | 18:00 |
| lardman | no idea why, nothing new added to the device for at least 12h, other than phone calls and whatever is pulled down from online | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, there's a system-ui-dev package, it's just missing from the repos | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, seems the lockscreen is open source... | 18:01 |
| lcuk | lardman, scent detectors cataloguing what you ate for lunch | 18:01 |
| lardman | lol | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | padlockview, could be MeeGo's lockscreen | 18:01 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: seems that you are right, system-ui-dev free package is missing | 18:02 |
| javispedro | clearly a bug | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, there are lots of missing -dev packages | 18:02 |
| javispedro | heh | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | freetype is another one | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug, it's normally oversight | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get source + build and you'll get the -dev packages | 18:02 |
| javispedro | I do have a libfreetype6-dev package | 18:03 |
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| rafael2k | people, do you know if can the N950 support USB hostmode? | 18:05 |
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| MohammadAG | not before we can flash and boot custom kernels | 18:08 |
| * Stskeeps hopes he'll have time to work more on that before he leaves for a week | 18:08 | |
| * MohammadAG hopes we'll have MOSLO this week | 18:09 | |
| rcg1 | MohammadAG: you are trying to get a status indicator plugin running? | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | So what's new and exciting on the forking front? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i hope so as well (or soon) | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | rcg1, yes | 18:10 |
| rcg1 | cool | 18:10 |
| javispedro | forking front already? =) | 18:10 |
| rcg1 | http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/trees/master/demos/plugins | 18:10 |
| rcg1 | http://apidocs.meego.com/git-tip/mtf-old/meegotouch-systemui/class_m_status_indicator_menu_extension_interface.html | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | yes, I've seen both | 18:10 |
| rcg1 | ah ic :) | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | but system-ui-dev is missing | 18:10 |
| rcg1 | yep | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | I already have the code, it's just not compiling (obviously) | 18:10 |
| rcg1 | hmmz | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | building system-ui from source | 18:11 |
| rcg1 | to get the dev package.. yeah i read some lines in the scroll back buffer | 18:11 |
| rcg1 | but it's very good to see you are at it | 18:12 |
| rcg1 | i, personally, wouldn't have had a clue of where to get that dev package from | 18:13 |
| rcg1 | my last progress was being stuck in scratchbox apt-cache searching for suspicious packages | 18:13 |
| rafael2k | MohammadAG: but do you think it's feasible to get USB hostmode working for the N950 in terms of hardware? | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | well, that didn't work | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | rafael2k, yes | 18:17 |
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| rafael2k | ; ) | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | Wow, building qt components 1.1 was *much* easier than I thought it was going to be | 18:25 |
| fiferboy | Oh. Yeah. The build was easy, but I forgot the problems installing a user-built application of a Nokia provided... | 18:29 |
| fiferboy | Any advice, since half the system depends on qt-components? | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, why are you rebuilding it? | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Newer version | 18:32 |
| lcuk | have you requested an update to the firmware? | 18:32 |
| lcuk | ie let nokia rebuild it for you | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: It is planned, but I have no idea what timeframe | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | I want to test it now so my app will work with it when it is released | 18:33 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: different package name? | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, good one! | 18:35 |
| hiemanshu | :-1: error: Could not connect to host: Botan library exception: Botan: Decoding error: BER: Length field is too large :/ | 18:35 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: I may have to resort to that | 18:35 |
| hiemanshu | QtSDK gives that error when connecting to device, any ideas? | 18:35 |
| fiferboy | If I could just remove one package while leaving its dependencies that would be ideal | 18:35 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: around? | 18:37 |
| fiferboy | Ah, 'dpkg -P --force-depends qt-components' worked | 18:40 |
| javispedro | your package manager is now probably completely broken :) | 18:41 |
| javispedro | also, I ponder why Aegis allowed you to do that | 18:41 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: My package manager may indeed be foobar'd | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | But aegis has no problems with that, then installed my user-built package without complaint :) | 18:43 |
| fiferboy | My system is still usable, and the new qt-components-examples installed and runs fine | 18:43 |
| fiferboy | My program that uses com.nokia.extras 1.1 now works and shows the extra components! | 18:44 |
| hiemanshu | aegis allows you to do this, but not run files properly installed :/ | 18:44 |
| fiferboy | But yeah, my package manager is *completely* broken :) | 18:45 |
| javispedro | expect aegis selfdestruction any time now | 18:45 |
| fiferboy | I am afraid to reboot :( | 18:45 |
| javispedro | He might have been distracted now, but He always remembers, never forgets. | 18:45 |
| lardman | anyone know whether it's possible to stack modal dialog windows using Qt? | 18:46 |
| hiemanshu | gah, how the fuck do you take a screenshot? | 18:46 |
| lardman | ctrl-alt-p? | 18:46 |
| hiemanshu | where does it get saved? | 18:47 |
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| fiferboy | I wonder if I uninstall my user packages and reinstall the system package if aegis will forgive me? | 18:49 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: not sure that's worked actually | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | lardman, hiemanshu: I _think_ that only works in mtf apps | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | (although I have heard of at least one person who claims it worked in a QML app) | 18:50 |
| lardman | ah ok, thanks fiferboy | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | For QML apps you can open the QML Widget Gallery, go to "developer tools" and use the screenshot utility | 18:51 |
| fiferboy | Save in /home/user | 18:51 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 18:51 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Does He ever forgive? | 18:51 |
| javispedro | only after a given number of reflashes | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | :( | 18:52 |
| javispedro | depending on your sin | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | Maybe I can repent by installing the system packages again | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | Although, it is probably time to try my hand at the one-flick flasher | 18:53 |
| javispedro | I would actually try to reboot to see if you can pass it off =) | 18:53 |
| fiferboy | s/flick/click/ | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | not that many system apps use qml | 18:53 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: I guess I have nothing on here that I can't replace | 18:53 |
| lardman | javispedro: so how do they look nice? | 18:53 |
| javispedro | they use MTF | 18:54 |
| fiferboy | lardman: MTF is completely capable of looking nice :) | 18:54 |
| fiferboy | Just no future in it | 18:54 |
| lardman | what is mtf? | 18:54 |
| javispedro | QML vs MTF is easily recognizble, there are subtle animation differences | 18:54 |
| javispedro | well | 18:54 |
| lardman | what does it stand for? | 18:54 |
| javispedro | meegotouchframework | 18:54 |
| lardman | Ah ok | 18:55 |
| * fiferboy has the feeling he should have had his backup phone with him today | 18:55 | |
| * javispedro would not be scared of using MTF | 18:55 | |
| hiemanshu | well how different is MTF? | 18:55 |
| javispedro | "very". | 18:56 |
| hiemanshu | ok, so now I have the individual screens working for Komedia, not to connect them | 18:57 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Yeah, it is not very likely to go away (given the system dependencies) but it most likely won't be on any future platform | 18:57 |
| * lardman calls it an afternoon on coding, bbl | 18:57 | |
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| * fiferboy locates his one-click flasher and prepares for reboot >.< | 18:58 | |
| fiferboy | Powered down... | 18:58 |
| javispedro | well, there are two things I consider: the only API Nokia has partially managed to keep for more than a year or two has been the Symbian one... | 18:58 |
| fiferboy | Powering up... | 18:59 |
| hiemanshu | any comments on this screen http://i.imgur.com/izhZ1.png ? | 18:59 |
| javispedro | so even if they promise that Qt^W DUI^W MeegoTouch^W QtQuick is now really here to stay I have a hard time believing it considering the fast pace verything here moves | 18:59 |
| javispedro | AND | 18:59 |
| * fiferboy hears the start up shimes | 18:59 | |
| javispedro | most likely there won't be _any_ future platform. | 19:00 |
| fiferboy | s/shimes/chimes | 19:00 |
| fiferboy | Success! | 19:00 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: well, no Qt on the WP, so wonder what nokia will do to Qt | 19:00 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: I have stealthily defeated aegis! | 19:00 |
| javispedro | "for now | 19:01 |
| javispedro | " | 19:01 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, for now. | 19:01 |
| fiferboy | But I am pleased it passed the reboot | 19:01 |
| fiferboy | Probably just going to wait until I least expect it and can't recover quickly | 19:02 |
| javispedro | happened to me | 19:02 |
| javispedro | I installed portmap, even rebooted, and it decided to selfdestruct a few minutes after of total idleness, when I was away from home | 19:02 |
| fiferboy | Hmm, I'll keep an eye out for any suspicious behaviour | 19:03 |
| javispedro | I could explain try to explain that with sth technical jumbo mumbo about having lost wi-fi connectivity then portmap woke up due to the select call being interrupted, doing sth aegis didn't like, etc. | 19:03 |
| javispedro | but it's best to just say that He wanted his revenge. | 19:04 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: I wonder if the difference is the package I built from Nokia source had a full aegis manifest? | 19:05 |
| hiemanshu | gah, I cant make out shit on how to use qml with a C++ backend :( | 19:05 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: more probably qtquick is still after all a bunch of scripts, few binaries, and no weird stuff like setgid | 19:06 |
| hiemanshu | I have the C++ and qml ready, just need to connect them | 19:06 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: What are you trying to connect? | 19:06 |
| fiferboy | Signals and slots? Data models? GUI? | 19:06 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: GUI | 19:07 |
| hiemanshu | I just need to be able to change a few parameters, mostly just images | 19:07 |
| hiemanshu | so clicking a button would change an image | 19:07 |
| rcg1 | hiemanshu: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qtbinding.html | 19:07 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: I have done signal/slot and data model, but not GUI :( | 19:08 |
| rcg1 | see especially Exchanging data between QML and C++ and Calling functions | 19:08 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: ugh sorry, I meant no GUI, just the others | 19:08 |
| hiemanshu | I just need to exchange data | 19:08 |
| rcg1 | essentially you use QObjects on the C++ side and either use slots or use the Q_INVOKABLE macro to make your C++ methods executable in QML | 19:09 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: If you have a class with Q_INVOKABLE functions you can pass that class to rootContext->setContextProperty in your declarative view | 19:09 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: It may take some trial and error | 19:10 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: I have C++ code from the QWidget app, and qml ready for the new app, I dont know where to start lol | 19:10 |
| rcg1 | last but not least you need to make your C++ stuff "known" to QML via qmlRegisterType | 19:11 |
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| fiferboy | hiemanshu: Read over the qtbinding doc rcg1 linked to a few times | 19:12 |
| fiferboy | Took me multiple reads to get the most out of it :) | 19:12 |
| rcg1 | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-extending.html <- i think this is a pretty straight forward step by step guide | 19:12 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: doing that | 19:12 |
| hiemanshu | rcg1: I suck at RTFM-ing, I better understand by examples :P | 19:13 |
| rcg1 | heh yeah took a little bit of trial and error to grasp the concept.. but once you get it it feels natural | 19:13 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, its the same with QML too | 19:13 |
| rcg1 | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeexamples.html#c-extensions | 19:13 |
| rcg1 | there you go ;) | 19:13 |
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| rcg1 | oh.. one hint.. do not use QDeclarativeExtensionPlugin and Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2 as suggested by those examples.. | 19:14 |
| fiferboy | Damn, I am freaking out whenever it takes a couple time to tap-unlock the phone :( | 19:14 |
| rcg1 | just use qmlRegisterType e.g. in your main.cpp to register your "custom" QML types | 19:15 |
| rcg1 | i never had any success with this Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2 and QDeclarativeExtensionPlugin stuff | 19:15 |
| rcg1 | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=meepasswords <-- thats one of my projects using C++ and QML | 19:16 |
| hiemanshu | rcg1: ah thanks a lot | 19:16 |
| * hiemanshu will play with it tonight | 19:16 | |
| rcg1 | see main.cpp on how to use qmlRegisterType and the according classes (e.g. entry or entrystorage) on how to "prepare" your stuff to work with QML | 19:18 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 19:19 |
| rcg1 | then e.g. in main.qml in e.g. qml/harmattan you see how to use this stuff in QML including the imports statement.. | 19:20 |
| rcg1 | ohh.. i avoid to pass my custom objects as method parameters in this project.. but this is a pretty ugly hack to make this work with the "stable" Qt version available for Fremantle.. | 19:21 |
| hiemanshu | why couldn't they just theme qwidget and be done with it :/ | 19:21 |
| rcg1 | for Harmattan you can simply pass your custom objects via pointers from QML to the C++ side and vice versa | 19:21 |
| hiemanshu | I really just need to pass links, and call a few functions, nothing complex | 19:22 |
| rcg1 | hehe.. if you wanna include a custom QWidget in your QML have a look at qcomboboxqmladapter.h | 19:23 |
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| rcg1 | this one essentially wraps qcombobox in order to use it in QML | 19:23 |
| rcg1 | + some eyecandy via stylesheets | 19:23 |
| hiemanshu | naah, I dont need all that | 19:23 |
| rcg1 | kk | 19:23 |
| rcg1 | :) | 19:23 |
| fiferboy | Yes! TumblerButton and DatePickDailog work now! | 19:23 |
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| hiemanshu | I have everything I need in qt-components | 19:23 |
| rcg1 | ic | 19:24 |
| hiemanshu | all I need is webview, progressbar, and buttons :D | 19:24 |
| hiemanshu | maybe gestures later | 19:24 |
| rcg1 | uh sweet.. system-ui just finished building :) | 19:24 |
| rcg1 | MohammadAG: ^ | 19:24 |
| lcuk | if aegis uses a hashed database of files which cannot be modified | 19:24 |
| lcuk | can the hash be updated on the go | 19:25 |
| rcg1 | system-ui-dev_0.20.74-1+0m6_armel.deb <-- hmmm looks promising | 19:25 |
| rcg1 | bbl though | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | Could someone remind me how to restart scratchbox daemons? | 19:43 |
| lcuk | sb-menu i believe | 19:44 |
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| RST38h | no, sb-menu displays the menu | 19:44 |
| divan | hiemanshu, have you try using PinchArea with WebView? Or implement pinch zoom in WebView in some other way? | 19:48 |
| divan | s/try/tried/ | 19:49 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: sb-conf? | 19:54 |
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| hiemanshu | divan: not yet, but I plan to do so | 20:28 |
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| M4rtinK2 | djszapi: I have submitted two packages to the community repo :) | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | espeak and telnet - should be in the submit-queue | 20:46 |
| RST38h | A'ok, gentlemen | 20:47 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK2: all kind of brilliant :) | 20:47 |
| RST38h | picasaweb | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | djszapi: any guidelines what should be submitted or what is needed ? | 20:49 |
| RST38h | https://picasaweb.google.com/luarvique/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCKaR39fjs8PNgAE#5636687252037733650 | 20:49 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 20:49 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK2: what do you mean ? | 20:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | djszapi: while I'm mostly doing packages relevant for my projects, I can also try to add some other useful packages | 20:52 |
| djszapi | sure, go ahead, thanks | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | as most of them build without patching | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, ok :) | 20:52 |
| hiemanshu | Hi, we are extending the meego.com N950 device program with 50 additional pieces received from Nokia. Have a look at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/N950_Extended_Program | 20:53 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu o/ | 20:53 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: o/ | 20:54 |
| hiemanshu | hey aegis, just shoot me in the head | 20:55 |
| hiemanshu | reflash time | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | djszapi: also a technical question - when I submit a package to home:rzr:harmattan is it still somehow connected to the package in my project or is it independent ? | 20:55 |
| djszapi | it is a separate repository. | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | some when I now say delete espeak or upgrade it to a newer version, it won't propagate until I submit it again ? | 20:58 |
| rcg1 | hiemanshu: sweet.. good news that there are additional devices available for community devs.. :D | 20:58 |
| M4rtinK2 | just to be sure :) | 20:58 |
| hiemanshu | rcg1: yup, a game dev should get some :) | 20:59 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: How did you offend aegis? | 21:01 |
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| hiemanshu | fiferboy: find / -iname *aegis* -exec rm -rf :P | 21:01 |
| rcg1 | hehe.. yeah some good games would be nice as well.. :) | 21:01 |
| rcg1 | MohammadAG: i gave it a shot to build system-ui via obs.. though i suspect it to fail at last in the final steps with the known problems connected to the aegis manifest | 21:02 |
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| macmaN | MohammadAG: enjoying n950? | 21:18 |
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| rcg1 | huh?.. sweet system-ui even built via the obs -> http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/wonko/Harmattan/armel/ | 21:28 |
| rcg1 | *sweet! | 21:28 |
| rcg1 | MohammadAG: ^ | 21:29 |
| rcg1 | there you get the system-ui-dev package | 21:29 |
| rcg1 | and it seems it made it through the obs even though it includes an aegis manifest | 21:32 |
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| captainigloo | hi | 21:39 |
| captainigloo | i build some libs and bins with scratchbox, and try to execute them on the n950 | 21:41 |
| captainigloo | but without success | 21:41 |
| captainigloo | i read some posts on the meego forum about security | 21:41 |
| captainigloo | but i'm not able to run my binaries | 21:42 |
| djszapi|windows | and install it by the dpkg wrapper | 21:42 |
| captainigloo | and i have flashed my n950 two times, so i come here for some help ^^ | 21:42 |
| djszapi|windows | package it | 21:42 |
| djszapi|windows | flashing is quite irrelevant :) | 21:42 |
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| captainigloo | my n950 was no rebooting after some changes ... | 21:43 |
| captainigloo | i try to package it, maybe with a quick and dirty method | 21:43 |
| captainigloo | i just put all my binaries in the debian.tar.gz | 21:43 |
| djszapi|windows | do not make dirty method, and then asking for help :) | 21:43 |
| captainigloo | and the control in debian.tar.gz | 21:44 |
| djszapi|windows | use the tools that were written for this purpose.... | 21:44 |
| captainigloo | yes sorry ^^ | 21:44 |
| captainigloo | ah | 21:44 |
| captainigloo | wich are ? | 21:44 |
| djszapi|windows | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 21:44 |
| djszapi|windows | or QtCreator. | 21:44 |
| captainigloo | in scratchbox ? | 21:45 |
| djszapi|windows | yes, you have a dpkg-buildpackage tool. | 21:46 |
| captainigloo | ok ! thanks | 21:46 |
| djszapi|windows | captainigloo: do not fall into the whining people's failure, problem is always coming from aegis ;) | 21:47 |
| captainigloo | djszapi|windows: yes indeed ... i will try with the right method | 21:48 |
| lcuk | when things are moving fast, do they have red shift? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | because when I pan lists on harmattan, they get a green tint | 21:50 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the NDA's opinion on a campaign for the N950 | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | /N9 | 21:51 |
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| djszapi|windows | lcuk what do you mean ? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | djszapi|windows, when you pan a list in harmattan on the n950 | 22:03 |
| lcuk | with white text | 22:03 |
| lcuk | the white colour gets a green tint | 22:03 |
| djszapi|windows | not here | 22:03 |
| lcuk | afaik relating to the refresh rate of pixels | 22:03 |
| lcuk | black background/white text | 22:04 |
| lcuk | the icon grid labels do it | 22:04 |
| djszapi|windows | are you from greenpeace ? :D | 22:04 |
| djszapi|windows | scrn :p | 22:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:04 |
| djszapi|windows | lcuk: it seems white here. | 22:05 |
| lcuk | djszapi|windows, n9 or n950? | 22:06 |
| djszapi|windows | double checked both | 22:06 |
| lcuk | harder to spot on the applaunch grid | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, the N950 has terrible reception. | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly fw issue | 22:10 |
| djszapi|windows | GeneralAntilles: yes, whining people happen to be everywhere. | 22:10 |
| w00t_ | i actually get pretty good reception.. even when I was up up and away in the middle of the mountains in the middle of nowhere | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi|windows, easy now. That's what IRC is for. :) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i thought you weren't using this anymore? | 22:10 |
| wazd | http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/1108/7b/1aba590ff4a5.png <- what do you guys think? I can't come up with any more tweaks, looks solid to me | 22:10 |
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| djszapi|windows | GeneralAntilles: :p Let me not qualify meego on N900 then :) | 22:11 |
| lcuk | wazd, visibility "1000000 metres" isn't that granted if you can see the sun? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | and tbh, the one you posted yesterday | 22:12 |
| lcuk | was more balanced | 22:12 |
| lcuk | I even tried to emulate the layout myself | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi|windows, it pisses me off when my N900 reboots into N900CE in the middle of the night and I pick it up in the morning and it's MeeGo. :P | 22:12 |
| djszapi|windows | =) | 22:12 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, I didn't know you were dualbooting it? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | how have you found the summer edition? | 22:13 |
| * lcuk quite likes it | 22:13 | |
| lcuk | and even more now I fixed the caulculator | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less useful than Maemo. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | So mostly pointless for my purposes | 22:13 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, that's what weather.com sends in its rss :) | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will be more useful if/when I can test Qt Components stuff there. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | lol wazd | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | wazd, that is visiblity of 600miles | 22:14 |
| djszapi|windows | GeneralAntilles: I think the image is also fairly old containing already fixed and annoying bugs | 22:14 |
| lcuk | or is the , a . | 22:14 |
| djszapi|windows | I like this project, at least we have something working nicely, even with issues. (Note: nothing is perfect :) | 22:15 |
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| wazd | lcuk: previous layout falls apart with this load of info unfortunately :( | 22:16 |
| lcuk | wazd understandable | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | wazd, did you see the weather chart I did a few weeks ago? I will find it its amusing | 22:16 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110621_232725.weather.scr.png | 22:17 |
| lcuk | wazd, anytime I have drawn a bit of something for weather they got tagged together | 22:17 |
| lcuk | and now flow around europe | 22:17 |
| lcuk | this is actually better view http://liqbase.net/liq.20110731_175955.weather.scr.png | 22:18 |
| lcuk | has lovely coloured sunshine :) | 22:18 |
| djszapi|windows | lcuk: niftiness :) | 22:18 |
| lcuk | djszapi|windows indeed | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | lbt: what to do if a package is stuck building for hours ? its state is "Updating...", there is no abort build button and the live logs shows no movement | 22:21 |
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| djszapi|windows | M4rtinK2: you cannot do much on the webinterface, just with osc. You can abort it. It is a shame it is not exposed on the webinterface | 22:22 |
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| Venemo | good evening guys | 22:23 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo o/ :) | 22:23 |
| Venemo | hey djszapi|windows :) | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK2 | djszapi|windows: thanks, must have overlooked it in the osc documentation :) | 22:24 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo: How are you ? | 22:25 |
| lbt | M4rtinK2: OK now? | 22:25 |
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| djszapi|windows | Venemo: how is your IRC client coming ? | 22:27 |
| Venemo_ | sorry, I've been disconnected | 22:27 |
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| Venemo | I'm using the N950 as my modem | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | lbt: seems to be unstuck now :) | 22:28 |
| lbt | good to know | 22:28 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows, it's coming well, but I'm still having trouble with that PinchArea thing. | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | so for the log: package stuck building -> run: "osc abortbuild project_name" | 22:29 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo: ah I see. | 22:29 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows, basically the PinchArea eats all single-touch events. | 22:30 |
| Venemo | which is bad. | 22:30 |
| djszapi|windows | yep | 22:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Can anyone comment on the state of harmattan at the beginning of the year? | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Was it booting and usable, were there devices with early images going around? | 22:49 |
| djszapi|windows | no | 22:49 |
| Venemo | something bad (I have no idea what) was happening with harmattan in 2009-2010 | 22:50 |
| Venemo | they (Nokia), claimed to be working on it since the N900's launch. | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. There's a big difference between 'commits going on in GIT', and an actual 'usable' image though. | 22:51 |
| Venemo | I think that somewhere along the way something really bad happened (eg. the started over from scratch, or sth.) | 22:52 |
| * w00t_ is quite sure harmattan would have many stories to tell, if only it could tell them | 22:52 | |
| Venemo | w00t_, yeah | 22:53 |
| Venemo | w00t_, unfortunately the people who could tell those stories are not allowed to tell them | 22:53 |
| djszapi|windows | why is it important to know ? | 22:53 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows, not important at all, just interesting | 22:54 |
| Venemo | what I'm also curious about is the _real_ truth behind the N950 | 22:54 |
| djszapi|windows | do you also know the development lifecycle of Linux and other projects ? :) | 22:54 |
| w00t_ | perhaps that's for the best, after all, as Stskeeps says sometimes.. mobile OS development is a bit like a sausage, really, really tasty, but you don't wanna know how it's made or what's inside :-) | 22:54 |
| Venemo | w00t_ :D | 22:54 |
| Venemo | w00t_, do you happen to be good with QML? | 22:55 |
| w00t_ | no | 22:55 |
| Venemo | I have a problem to which noone knows the answer :( | 22:55 |
| w00t_ | I'm still a beginner | 22:55 |
| w00t_ | PinchArea? so I saw | 22:55 |
| w00t_ | I've never used gestures at all | 22:55 |
| Venemo | I want to use a pinch gesture in my app to show/hide the status bar and toolbar | 22:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | djszapi: It's not important to know. It's interesting - I'm wondering somewhat what the state was back in november or whenever before Elop was approached. | 23:00 |
| Venemo | could anyone help me with this? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28171#post28171 | 23:02 |
| djszapi|windows_ | Venemo: Could you please send me your IRC client in mail once it works ? I am looking forward to hearing from it :) | 23:17 |
| djszapi|windows_ | Please make sure it also works properly without HKB, aka VK. It would be nice to have one working client on N9. | 23:18 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows_, I'll put it on the web somewhere, maybe I'll learn to use the COBS too. | 23:18 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows_, I'm already making sure of that! :) | 23:18 |
| djszapi|windows_ | sure, but I would like to get notification, if possible :) | 23:18 |
| Venemo | ok | 23:19 |
| Venemo | you'll be the first to know :P | 23:19 |
| Venemo | but everyone will be able to see when I log in as Venemo_N950 | 23:19 |
| Venemo | which reminds me, I should register that name with NickServ | 23:20 |
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| Venemo | done | 23:20 |
| djszapi|windows_ | :) | 23:21 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows_, I still need to write GUI for server configuration (should be effortless), then I will use libircclient-qt as a backend (should be easy as well, once I can build a package of that for the N950) | 23:24 |
| djszapi|windows_ | Venemo: awesome niftiness :) | 23:25 |
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| Venemo | djszapi|windows_, I think the Maemo5 packaged version will work fine. | 23:26 |
| Venemo | maybe the lib has some new stuff since then, but I'm not sure I need that. | 23:26 |
| djszapi|windows_ | from what I can say, fremantle to harmattan port is much more painful than wheezy to harmattan port. | 23:27 |
| Venemo | it doesn't need porting | 23:27 |
| Venemo | it's just a lib depending on Qt | 23:27 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/ | 23:28 |
| fiferboy | libircclient-qt is there :) | 23:28 |
| djszapi|windows_ | except that, it is not futile how it was built... | 23:28 |
| Venemo | I think the fremantle version didn't receive any porting either, just the packaging was done by a Maemo guy | 23:28 |
| Venemo | hmm, MohammadAG has been working I see :) | 23:28 |
| Venemo | thanks fiferboy for the link | 23:28 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, pingping, please send me the sources for that package | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | No problem, I recalled him saying he built it earlier | 23:29 |
| Venemo | ah, I see he also built communi | 23:29 |
| Venemo | a pity that QWidgets don't work well on Harmattan | 23:29 |
| djszapi|windows_ | communi is useless on N9 | 23:29 |
| tomma | Venemo, QWidgets work pretty well if you use stylesheets | 23:30 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Someone (RST38h?) compiled a Qt app with the global setFont() and said it was improved | 23:31 |
| Venemo | tomma, they're slow. _very_. | 23:31 |
| Venemo | at least Puzzle Master was very-very underwhelmingly slow when I tried to just build it | 23:32 |
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| tomma | yeah widgets wont be drawn as fast as qml but still you can reuse QWidget application with stylesheet tweaking | 23:35 |
| Venemo | in this case, it's unplayably and unenjoyably slow so I can not :( | 23:36 |
| djszapi|work | I think it is not a style question, mainly zooming opportunity | 23:36 |
| Venemo | djszapi|work, nope, in my case it's a question of performance. | 23:39 |
| djszapi|work | I was referring to that communi is useless without being able to zoom | 23:40 |
| Venemo | zoom? | 23:44 |
| Venemo | I think it has a setting for font size if that's what you're looking for | 23:44 |
| djszapi|work | nope, I am looking for zooming | 23:45 |
| djszapi|work | aka. pincharea which is not available since it does does not use neither meegotouch nor components. | 23:45 |
| Venemo | what exactly would you like to zoom? | 23:46 |
| tomma | pincharea is not in copnents | 23:46 |
| tomma | it is in QtQuick 1.1 | 23:46 |
| Venemo | tomma, communi doesn't use QtQuick. | 23:46 |
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| djszapi|work | tomma: zooming is available directly from meegotouch as well... | 23:47 |
| djszapi|work | Venemo anything, but most straight-forwardly the input fields. | 23:47 |
| tomma | well Qt has also gesture for pinch | 23:48 |
| djszapi|work | yes, of course.. | 23:51 |
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| djszapi|work | we have actually been using that for a while. | 23:51 |
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| Venemo | meh, I got disconnected again | 23:52 |
| Venemo | djszapi, djszapi|work: so how do you imagine this zooming feature? | 23:53 |
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