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| * DocScrutinizer has a great idea fro an app: Nokia -> english, english -> Nokia dictionary | 17:40 | |
| Venemo | khertan, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24933&postcount=14 | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is there a meaning of lystii, lannku, dali? | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | 17:41 |
| Mek | lankku == plank/board or something like that | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or are those just 'names', unlike rapuyama which is "lobster" afaik | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: thanks | 17:41 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "a cozy little place for pure harmattan device discussions | MeeGo N9(|50) CE on its way, MOSLO still missing discuss in #meego-arm please | chanlogs: see ~logs , http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950" | 17:42 | |
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| * javispedro is happy | 17:44 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: will powbot autojoin when kicked? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot* | 17:46 |
| javispedro | heh, zehjotkah is running fennec on n950 seemingly. | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | zehjotkah is doind some amazing things | 17:47 |
| * javispedro had an evil idea the other, after seeing that microb seemingly has something about "microbQt" | 17:47 | |
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| thebootroo | hello i have a problem | 17:48 |
| thebootroo | qml sucks | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: could you test if povbot` gets auto-voiced on join, please? | 17:49 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, that is not true | 17:49 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, what's wrong? | 17:49 |
| thebootroo | i have made a wonderfull UI in Qwidget for maemo5 and now i want to make it run under harmattan but qml does nt give me the same level of support | 17:49 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: that is | 17:49 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: i cant even design UI using qtcreator : it show a blank 50x50 rectangle | 17:50 |
| thebootroo | and i can't test the app on myy computer, the ui made is only runnable on harmattan | 17:50 |
| cpscotti | thebootroo, well.. there's always this: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/declarative-tutorials-extending-chapter1-basics.html | 17:50 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, by coding QML by hand, I was able to replace the QWidget-based GUI of one of my apps under a say | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh povbot isn't registered | 17:50 |
| thebootroo | the app i made use to run under win7, ubuntu, maemo5 and symbian with the SAME code | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, can't be, it got a cloak | 17:51 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: maybe you are not as exigent as i am | 17:51 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, read http://achipa.blogspot.com/2011/07/qt-components-story-of-ugly-qwidgetling.html | 17:51 |
| lcuk | thebootroo, what is your app? | 17:51 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, heheh I was looking for that link.. totally righteous blot post | 17:52 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: i can't just extend qml because it would mean recreate all the classes i've made in qwidget (a full set) and rethink the UI concepts qml which doesn't allow layouting, sizepolicies ...et c | 17:52 |
| javispedro | Venemo: so, you can get the open meegotouchhome in harmattan by replacing SwipeDesktopView with "DesktopView" in /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/meegotouchhome.conf" | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: you might want to /ns group povbot` | 17:52 |
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| javispedro | Venemo: but it looks very ugly and in fact I don't know how to hit launcher. | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, you're asking me advanced IRC questions about things I've no clue about | 17:53 |
| javispedro | probably missing theme files | 17:53 |
| Venemo | javispedro, hmm... | 17:53 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: i've read this blog and totally disagree : i didn't need more than 3 or 4 single #defines to make my app fully portable | 17:53 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, oooh, it does allow all that. you just need to read a doc | 17:53 |
| cpscotti | ~logs | 17:53 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | povbot is more or less stock supybot with the ChannelLogger plugin enabled | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: please make povbot issue the command >> /msg nickserv group << | 17:54 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: from the doc : 'qml don't matter about any kind of size control' | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: [Notice] -NickServ- povbot` is not registered. | 17:54 |
| thebootroo | which is bad | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | and I don't think it'll respect the "no logs of messages starting with a space" rule | 17:54 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, but QML Components can | 17:54 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, eg. there is the anchor component which can do what you want | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I can't add povbot` to channel's access list to autovoice it | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer what does that nickserv group thing do? | 17:54 |
| javispedro | why it needs voice? | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | it associates the nick povbot` to supybot's account | 17:55 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: i won't use components since it don't run on all plateforms its too specifical | 17:55 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, that is why I recommend reading that blog | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | what "supybot's account"? | 17:55 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: i read it | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: for convenience reasons, so the bots show up on top of userlist in enabled clients | 17:55 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: but i don't want to create 6 differents ui | 17:55 |
| Venemo | it's not hard | 17:55 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: when the aim is to have the same look | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 16:52:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on supybot (account supybot): | 17:56 |
| lcuk | thebootroo, what is your app? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 16:52:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Mar 27 22:06:47 2003 (8 years, 15 weeks, 6 days, 16:45:18 ago) | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 16:52:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~supybot@www522.hostpc.com | 17:56 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: it is, my apps are not simple hello world | 17:56 |
| *** povbot` is now known as povbot | 17:56 | |
| javispedro | (more like unconvenience reasons, because I now always have those top fixed items in the user list) | 17:56 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: its a waste of time | 17:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thebootroo, your application shouldn't have the same look across all platforms. | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just wrong. | 17:56 |
| thebootroo | i need to port my own classes but i'm not sure creating custome QDeclarativeitem will ever give me the same level of UI cohesion i use to have in QWidget/QGRaphicsTIem | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | /whois povbot | 17:57 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, it takes a LOT less to code it than to code QWidgets GUIs. at the end you spend barely more time. in return, you get a nice GUI for every platform | 17:57 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, if I design a website, it looks the same everywhere | 17:57 |
| lcuk | same with flash things | 17:57 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, QDeclarativeItem *IS* a QGraphicsItem | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, I've no idea how to tell povbot how to issue messages to nickserv! | 17:57 |
| lcuk | actually making things look totally different is not always desired | 17:57 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: false | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | I find supybot very user-unfriendly | 17:57 |
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| thebootroo | Venemo: qml syntax is hyper heavy, overall is i need to multiply by 6 the number of files | 17:58 |
| lcuk | but integration with components is of course positive | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, a website is not an application. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | pp | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: /msg nickserv help group | 17:58 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, ever read a .ui file? compare with that... | 17:58 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, HTML5 | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | did that | 17:58 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: and i find the json-like syntax totally unreadable and hard to browse throught in file more than 50 lines | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | you'd like me to group povbot with my own nickserv account? | 17:58 |
| lcuk | tell that to google yahoo microsoft nokia even (WRT etc) | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, I'm not playing this game this morning. I, personally, think it's a better plan to integrate closely with the look and feel of the platform you're deploying to. | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise you're stepping all over its UI conventions | 17:58 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, of course | 17:58 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, the sooner you get used to it the better | 17:59 |
| lardman | did I miss the #meego-meeting? | 17:59 |
| thebootroo | GeneralAntilles: not same colors but same behavior, and my custom classes handles the theme changing very well | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and that's neither good nor desirable. | 17:59 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: but QML does wonders for stepping over UI conventons! | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | I could tell povbot to change its nick to xxxtempxxx, change _my_ nick to povbot, issue the nickserv group thing, then change my nick back and change povbot back to povbot | 17:59 |
| lcuk | no lardman | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I'd like povbot to register with nickserv | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | is that what you'd like me to do? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | i did not see the meeting | 17:59 |
| lardman | lcuk: nor me | 17:59 |
| lardman | nm | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: it's not a big thing | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: but nice to have | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | or maybe there's a nickserv feature/plugin for supybot? | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | "13 Sep 2008 – You can make Supybot identify itself to the network NickServ after it has connected" says google | 17:59 |
| * javispedro was googling the same =) | 18:00 | |
| thebootroo | Venemo: why do i need to get used to something i don't like because it don't get the level i need to dev my apps ? qml is just good for small gadgets not 8 or 10 pages apps full of layouts and complex wigtes | 18:00 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, disagreed | 18:00 |
| * lcuk wonders why angry birds does not use UI themes | 18:00 | |
| thebootroo | Venemo: prove it | 18:00 |
| lcuk | or any game for that matter :P | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I don't mind if you group the povbot name to whatever account you like | 18:01 |
| lcuk | thebootroo, for the third time, what is your app? | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just need to have the credetials of that account ;-) | 18:01 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, first, I did port my QGV-based app just by altering my stuff to derive from QDeclarativeItem. | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | if supybot account isn't *your* account then probably you won't group povbot to supybot | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | no, supybot is most definitely not *my* account | 18:02 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, then I added this to some QML I wrote in a couple of hours and then I wired it up with some minimal code | 18:02 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: how you make QDeclarativeItem support layouting, sizepolicy and proper styling (without pixmaps) | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, games are a separate issue. :) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so group povbot to mgedmin account I suggest | 18:02 |
| lcuk | GAN900, games are apps | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | does that also mean I'll have to configure supybot so that it can identify with nickserv? | 18:03 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, semantics. | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:03 |
| javispedro | games have traditionally defined their own look and feel. | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | aaaaugh | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah nevermind then | 18:03 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: that seems relatively easy: https://gitorious.org/supybot/supybot/blobs/d78f7b6ac556293739f7334a56bd5b9f67742516/plugins/Services/config.py | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | I'd have preferred a blog post with a HOWTO | 18:04 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, having the bot voiced hasn't been needed in any other channel? | 18:04 |
| javispedro | but either way I don't know why do all of this, this would be the first channel I've joined to that has voiced bots =) | 18:04 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, the components take care of that afaik... dunno. I'lI share with you my code when I'm finished. (this app is probably a lot simpler than yours, I chose to port it first because it's one of my simplest) | 18:04 |
| lcuk | why now | 18:04 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: my apps need proper layouting, not complex parent.height - 10 + me.height / 2 + icon.height ...etc | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just when it doesn't register, any rogue user can snatch the nick and pretend he's povbot | 18:04 |
| lcuk | same has been true for years then | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I can't addpovbot to can access list to give it auto-voice | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | can the notional rogue do any damage that way? | 18:04 |
| Venemo | thebootroo, mine didn't exactly need it, but if you entrust the proper QML components to do their job, they can do it well | 18:04 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, povbot listens, he does not need voice :P | 18:05 |
| thebootroo | Venemo: i have at least 7 differents apps to port, all based on my own set of qwidgets, that i was rewriting in qgraphicsItem, before the announce of n950 not supporting them | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: it's not needed, it's just a convenience thing | 18:05 |
| javispedro | Venemo: thebootroo: also, aren't there QML layouts too, like Grid? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | for what? povbot is in many maemo/meego channels | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: some sort of highlight | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, I will happily follow a HOWTO that I can understand | 18:05 |
| Venemo | javispedro, yes. | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | giving me the git source view of a supybot plugin I don't know if I have or not is not a HOWTO | 18:05 |
| javispedro | =) | 18:06 |
| thebootroo | javispedro: QML layouts sucks, problems with spacing and not way to equally distribute the parent size, it only puts elements side by side | 18:06 |
| * javispedro thinks Qt layouts suck, but that's another story.. | 18:06 | |
| Venemo | thebootroo, that is untrue | 18:06 |
| lcuk | Venemo, do you knkow what thebootroo's app is, I asked a few times but he didn't answer | 18:06 |
| Venemo | lcuk, no I do not know. | 18:06 |
| Venemo | lcuk, but it must be very complicated seeing the way he talks about it | 18:06 |
| * lcuk nods | 18:07 | |
| thebootroo | javispedro: qlayout can be easily subclassed to do wonderfull layouts, like i did (carrousels, smart spaced grids, flow layouts...° | 18:07 |
| fiferboy | thebootroo: QML anchor layouts are really easy and really powerful, as long as your widget knows what size it should be | 18:07 |
| fiferboy | anchor layout margins make spacing equally easy | 18:07 |
| lcuk | speaking of grids and stuff, is it possible to do the grid reordering thing that is on harmattan app grid easily? | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: howto: remove povbot so the nick is free, you do /nick povbot, you do /msg nickserv group (assuming you are already registered to nickserv), you do /nick mgedmin, you make povbot join in again and send /msg nickserv ID MySecretPasswordForMgedminAccount | 18:07 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: but povbot needs to authenticate to services and that's the hard part seemingly. | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: the last step is the kicker -- how do I make supybot do that nickserv thing? | 18:08 |
| thebootroo | fiferboy: anchors sucks because it needs to know who is the previous widget to position against it | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: [2011-07-15 17:03:37] <javispedro> mgedmin: that seems relatively easy: https://gitorious.org/supybot/supybot/blobs/d78f7b6ac556293739f7334a56bd5b9f67742516/plugins/Services/config.py | 18:08 |
| javispedro | (note: I never used supybot =) ) | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | dpkg -L supybot|grep Services -> I at least have the plugin | 18:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer neither | 18:09 | |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: <mgedmin> giving me the git source view of a supybot plugin I don't know if I have or not is not a HOWTO | 18:09 |
| thebootroo | lcuk: some of my apps : google reader client (full client, not just read a list of news), movies manager and info retriever, spotify client with auto orientation, big text documents reader with infinite scrolling.... | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | well, now I know that I have the plugin | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | but the process of enabling a plugin in supybot is lost in the fog of memory | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: fair enough | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | I remember that it involves much cursing | 18:10 |
| fiferboy | thebootroo: Hmm, maybe anchors suck for a very specific kind of interface with lots of programatically generated elements (although I would think you could programatically anchor them without issue) but not for most interfaces | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: it's not mandatory for channel maintenance, but for your bot it was a really nice-to-have so it knows nobody else can impersonate it | 18:10 |
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| mgedmin | I am inclined to do what you ask me to do | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: so I'd appreciate it when you get it sorted, but it's definitely not mandatory | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | I'm merely having slight technical difficulties figuring it out | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 17:13:07] [Whois] MeeGoBot ist angemeldet als _MeeGoBot_. | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 17:13:20] [Whois] infobot ist angemeldet als apt. | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot.... <void> | 18:13 |
| povbot | DocScrutinizer: Error: "<void>" is not a valid command. | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:13 |
| javispedro | and that's why it doesn't need voice =) | 18:14 |
| javispedro | just let it log. | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | unregistered bots have a bit of a suspicious flair | 18:14 |
| javispedro | btw, what does the meegobot do? | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | tomorrow mr random hacker might decide to run another bot with nick povbot and we wouldn't even notice | 18:15 |
| javispedro | evil mr hacker would manage to see all of our miscelaneuous ramblings! | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: replies to bug #1 | 18:15 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no, evil Mr hacker would kill original povbot | 18:16 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, agreed | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and thus logging | 18:16 |
| javispedro | seems that meegobot is another instance of supybot | 18:16 |
| javispedro | MeeGoBot.... <void> | 18:17 |
| javispedro | hm... or no. | 18:17 |
| javispedro | ah, it's mozbot. | 18:17 |
| * mgedmin can type Lithuanian on his n950 after one day of experiments | 18:18 | |
| * mgedmin couldn't do that on his n900 after how many years now? | 18:18 | |
| javispedro | I can't type {} on my N950's vkb | 18:18 |
| Venemo | mgedmin, you remapped the hw kbd | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | both hw and vkb | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | here's what I did: http://pastie.org/2218247 | 18:19 |
| Venemo | mgedmin, how did you do that? I want to input öüóőúéáűí | 18:19 |
| javispedro | Venemo: on vkb hold "o" | 18:19 |
| Venemo | javispedro, I can input it with vkb by just choosing Hungarian as the input method | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | the diff is against meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard git sources, but it applies cleanly to the files in /usr/share/meegotouch/virtual-keyboard/layouts | 18:19 |
| Venemo | javispedro, I want this with hw kbd | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | for hw kbd see the hack I did to hwkbcharloops.xml to make Sym+letter do something | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | the default en_GB section is ignored because the actual language code is just 'en' without the _GB | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | oh, and after you edit the .xml, you need to /sbin/initctl restart xsession/meego-im-uiserver | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | people in #meego-inputmethods are very friendly and helpful | 18:21 |
| Venemo | hmm | 18:21 |
| Venemo | ok, I'll try, wait a moment | 18:21 |
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| mgedmin | note: hwkb config depends on the UI language | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: also +V on a bot indicates it's an "official" bot | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | vkb config depends on the text input methods you've chosen | 18:22 |
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| Venemo | mgedmin, noooo... UI language... nooo | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | which UI language do you use? | 18:23 |
| Venemo | English | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | US or UK? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | english | 18:23 |
| Venemo | dunno, the default | 18:24 |
| Venemo | and I don't want to switch to Hungarian, the translations are usually crap | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | I think the default is UK | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | I'm curious what is 'gconftool -g /meegotouch/i18n/language' would say if you chose English (US) | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | English (UK) | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | but insufficiently curious to actually try it, because that would require a reboot | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | (boo!) | 18:24 |
| Venemo | what the heck? harmattan uses gconf? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet, no? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | gconftool -g /meegotouch/i18n/language -> en | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | for english (UK) | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | right | 18:27 |
| Venemo | meh, gconf is obsolete | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | which is why by default sym+letters do not input any accented versions, because hwkbcharloop.xml defines accents for "en_GB", not "en" | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: harmattan is obsolete ;-D | 18:28 |
| Venemo | heh | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it uses HAL as well ;-) | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I heard HAL is at least as obsolete as gconf | 18:30 |
| Venemo | it is a bit less obsolete | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh? | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is it IBM now? ;-P | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | as gconf is dconf now | 18:31 |
| Venemo | :P | 18:31 |
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| Tronic | I bet also uses an obsolete logger, an obsolete init system and a totally obsolete filesystem. | 18:32 |
| Tronic | What is it with these open-source hippies, always inventing new frameworks to accomplish the same old thing, only now broken in different ways. | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | I thought HAL was more obsolete than gconf | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tronic: lol | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tronic: couldn't agree more :-) | 18:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer deletes a line starting with PulseAu | 18:33 | |
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| rm_work | now that my n950 is in-route via DHL, i'm getting more excited :P | 18:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles was, but now it's stuck in the UK. | 18:36 | |
| rm_work | same | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn | 18:36 |
| rm_work | was gonna ask if anyone in the US has gotten theirs yet | 18:36 |
| fiferboy | Mine is on a loooong slight over, apparently | 18:36 |
| rm_work | and if it was actually 2 day shipping or if it ended up being like week-long shipping | 18:36 |
| fiferboy | Left UK 8 hours ago and hasn't arrived anywhere yet | 18:36 |
| rm_work | hrm | 18:36 |
| thebootroo | what is the widget flag to allow auto rotation in harmattan | 18:36 |
| rm_work | 7 Processed at EAST MIDLANDS - UK EAST MIDLANDS - UK 06:06 | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's actually overnight express. | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | But DHL is fail as always. | 18:37 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: lol yeah, wow... fail... | 18:37 |
| rm_work | overnight my @$% :P | 18:37 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: your last status? | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same as yours, but 06:22 | 18:37 |
| fiferboy | Overnight express is next day by noon? | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | End of next business day. | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everything at DHL is "Express" | 18:38 |
| rm_work | that'd be.... today | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 18:38 |
| rm_work | and since it hasn't left the UK yet... | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus the fail. | 18:38 |
| rm_work | lol | 18:38 |
| rm_work | maybe they just... forgot to mention it left? :P | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible | 18:38 |
| fiferboy | Mine took an extra step after Midlands to London-Heathrow | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | They probably paid €100. . . . | 18:38 |
| rm_work | does FedEx not exist in Finland? >_> | 18:39 |
| rm_work | Fedex seems to actually be the one competent shipping company IME | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | UPS > FedEx | 18:39 |
| rm_work | UPS has been about as fail to me :/ | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | FedEx is always fail down here. | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | DHL is USUALLY fail (though my sample size is low) | 18:40 |
| rm_work | I've had on multiple occasions 1-3 day shipping turn into 1-week shipping | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | UPS is rarely fail. | 18:40 |
| rm_work | at least they refunded me >_> | 18:40 |
| rm_work | each time | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hardly ever do 3-day UPS anymore. | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually 2-day air or ground. | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | ok, here we go, let's try to unlock the home screen orientation | 18:40 |
| rm_work | 3-day UPS used to be the #1 price-point | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | I think I found a simpler way than http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3756&page=2 | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | and by "simpler" I mean without the two mkdirs | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css has an @import "custom.css"; at the end | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | so what if I create a custom.css there | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | and restart meegotouch-home with /sbin/initctl restart xsession/mthome | 18:43 |
| * mgedmin tries | 18:43 | |
| mgedmin | nope, still locked to portrait | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | and all my running apps were closed as a side effect | 18:43 |
| rm_work | lol | 18:43 |
| rm_work | have you tried turning it off and on again? :P | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | still faster than a reboot though | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 18:44 |
| rm_work | mayhaps you just need to restart something else | 18:44 |
| rm_work | your theory makes sense | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | your theory is intriguing | 18:44 |
| rm_work | lol | 18:44 |
| * mgedmin reboots | 18:44 | |
| rm_work | my theory is from IT Crowd (and any IT technician ever) :P | 18:45 |
| rm_work | lol redundant | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | maybe the themes are handled by some other component and restarting mthome is insufficient? reboot restarts everything | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | nope, still locked to portrait | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | and now my existing ssh session is dead obviously | 18:46 |
| * mgedmin mkdir -p blanco/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/ | 18:48 | |
| * mgedmin cd /usr/share/themes | 18:48 | |
| mgedmin | (before the mkdir obviously) | 18:48 |
| * lardman heads home | 18:48 | |
| * mgedmin mv base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/custom.css blanco/me | 18:48 | |
| mgedmin | egotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css | 18:48 |
| lardman | catch you chaps next week | 18:48 |
| *** lardman is now known as lardman|gone | 18:48 | |
| * mgedmin /sbin/initctl restart xsession/mthome | 18:49 | |
| mgedmin | now it works | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: enjoy your weekend | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: \o/ | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | I don't like the task switching animation | 18:50 |
| Venemo | mgedmin, how about the redraw issue? | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | tap on a window, it shrinks to a point and then suddenly takes over the screen | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | I'd like to see it expand instead | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | what redraw issue? everyone talks about some redraw issue without explaining that it is with screenshots etc | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | so far no issues detected | 18:52 |
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| rlinfati | hi, how match time take the option erase-mmc of the flasher on the n950 ? | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | mgdemin, yeah, that really irritates me too. | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: it's questionable anybody has tested that option yet | 18:56 |
| rm_work | GAN900: if it isn't out of midlands by tonight when I get off work, i'm going to be seriously lulz at DHL | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: given the fact several users got their devices just 2 days ago, or not yet at all | 18:56 |
| rlinfati | DocScrutinizer OK, take more of 10-15 min... :S | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, while flashing a complete new image, there was some 30+ minutes mentioned. I haven't timed it | 18:59 |
| rlinfati | yeah... the flash process was fast... but was not the secure erase mmc ... | 18:59 |
| rlinfati | some bug from fremantle are still in harmattan | 19:02 |
| rlinfati | :S | 19:02 |
| * rZr apt-get install turntable # http://rzr.online.fr/q/handset | 19:06 | |
| rm_work | ahhhh dokuwiki | 19:07 |
| rm_work | favorite wiki software ever, use it every day :P | 19:08 |
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| rlinfati | how i can login to ovi maps ? :S | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: you need a nokia account (aka yahoo account) | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or ovi account (all the same it seems) | 19:16 |
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| rlinfati | my ovi account do not work :( | 19:29 |
| rlinfati | grrr i setup and exchange account.... and now i can not add a other imap account :( | 19:30 |
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| hiemanshu | still no tracking number or delivery, I wonder what will happen | 19:34 |
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| Elleo | if anyone's interested in doing some 2d game dev for harmattan I've just built box2d and the box2d-qml wrappers: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2011/07/15/box2d-and-box2d-qml-for-harmattan/ | 19:53 |
| Elleo | box2d-qml looks really handy, it lets you setup all your physics stuff directly within a qml document | 19:53 |
| cpscotti | Elleo, jeez.. that url really looks like microsoft at first look :D | 19:54 |
| Elleo | heh | 19:54 |
| cpscotti | Elleo, awesome video! :D | 19:55 |
| Elleo | thanks :) | 19:56 |
| cpscotti | can you drag them to add energy/speed or just touching? | 19:56 |
| cpscotti | like.. on the video, are you clicking on the elements or "throwing" them? | 19:56 |
| Elleo | I'm just touching them, then they're firing off in random directions | 19:57 |
| Elleo | but there's nothing to stop you making it so that you can drag them around and such | 19:57 |
| Elleo | there's another demo that hooks up the accelerometer stuff to move the centre of gravity around | 19:57 |
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| Elleo | https://gitorious.org/qml-box2d/qml-box2d/blobs/master/examples/accelerometer/accelerometer.qml <-- all very nice and simple | 19:59 |
| * mgedmin has no energy today to deal with supybot, please remind him some other day | 20:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, this really is ridiculous. | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, what an enthusiasm drainer. | 20:05 |
| cpscotti | Elleo, cool! | 20:11 |
| cpscotti | Hey there.. I think I found a quite obvious bug on qml/harmattan-components wrt orientation | 20:30 |
| Venemo | nah, who wants to try my first-ever Harmattan game? | 20:30 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, I can try | 20:31 |
| Venemo | cpscotti, you prefer .deb or source? | 20:31 |
| cpscotti | source is cooler :D | 20:31 |
| cpscotti | as long as it compiles & runs cool with QtSdk | 20:31 |
| cpscotti | otherwise just send the .deb | 20:32 |
| cpscotti | (well, the bug I found is quite obvious. Open QMLComponents demo that comes with the N950, position device in landscape mode; swipe the app to the background; Turn the phone into portrait mode; switch back to the app.. the top StatusBar will be messed up) | 20:33 |
| cpscotti | (anyone else confirms this?) | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | which QMLComponents demo? there are two | 20:34 |
| cpscotti | works with both I think | 20:34 |
| cpscotti | let me check | 20:35 |
| cpscotti | yep | 20:35 |
| Venemo | cpscotti, that is a known bug, see http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Rotation | 20:35 |
| cpscotti | ahh cool | 20:35 |
| Venemo | at least, something like that is a known bug :P | 20:35 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, I was searching for it on http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/ and couldn't find much | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | yes, the status bar is kinda messed up | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | BTW I've done the hacky theme modification to allow landscape home screens | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | does this happen with unmodified themes? | 20:36 |
| Venemo | cpscotti, http://sources.venemo.net/memory-game.zip | 20:36 |
| Venemo | should open in Qt Creator and run | 20:36 |
| Venemo | it's still pre-release, some stuff doesn't work 100% well yet, but it's 90% okay now | 20:37 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, the bug I'm talking about is not that one.. | 20:37 |
| Venemo | mhm | 20:37 |
| Venemo | ok | 20:37 |
| Venemo | I need to leave now, but I'll get back later and then please tell me what you think of da app :P | 20:37 |
| cpscotti | I will | 20:37 |
| cpscotti | mgedmin, I don't know.. I just found this.. | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | I mean, did you hack your themes to support landscape home screens? | 20:38 |
| cpscotti | mgedmin, I tried the most simple possible Harmattan app with orientationLock: Automatic | 20:38 |
| cpscotti | no no | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | ah, ok | 20:38 |
| cpscotti | never touched them | 20:38 |
| cpscotti | (sorry, I didn't get what you mean at first) | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | yeah, sorry, I meant this: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24933&postcount=14 | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | heh, the wiki at http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Rotation | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | says "modify themes [...] to support portrait" | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | but portrait is already supported, it's landscape we geeks crave | 20:40 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, haha.. make is going crazy here.. telling me your files com from the future :D lol | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | also, wtf? there's ~/MyDocs/Music, but .mp3 files received over bluetooth end up in ~/MyDocs/.sounds | 20:41 |
| Venemo | cpscotti, open the .pro in Qt Creator (>= 2.2.1), select Harmattan, and you'll be fine | 20:41 |
| lcuk | where is that icon thingy javispedro did? | 20:41 |
| cpscotti | mgedmin, yeah.. got it but no.. I didn't play with that | 20:41 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, it ran fine anyway.. :D Just trying to understand how the game works.;. | 20:42 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, haha! Cool game! :D | 20:43 |
| cpscotti | like it! | 20:43 |
| Venemo | thanks cpscotti | 20:43 |
| Venemo | about how it works: look at memorygameboard.cpp/.h and memorycard.cpp/.h | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: finally | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 19:46:15, CONNECTED, USB100MA, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 90, 1091, 4094, -82, -81, -1099 | 20:46 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, that's what I was doing.. and I got really happy to see I'm not the only one pending to the c++ side of qml :D | 20:48 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, only thing I'd change is the cards color... lol | 20:48 |
| Venemo | cpscotti, I'll make that a setting | 20:48 |
| cpscotti | but then again, a color blind's opinion on colours isn't really worth much | 20:48 |
| Venemo | cpscotti, plus I'll add an option to allow the user to select pics for the cards | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: the joys of a concept aiming agnostics of any directory structure | 20:49 |
| cpscotti | Venemo, you know.. Maybe I'd just talk to some graphic designer wanting to do free stuff for him to choose pics & colors | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | THE worst part of iPhone ever - now proudly introduced with harmattan | 20:50 |
| Venemo | mhm | 20:50 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I wouldn't worry much, sounds like a good filemanager is in order | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | when I first did ls MyDocs and saw Music, Videos etc., I was so happy "they" got rid of those .sounds/.images hidden directories | 20:51 |
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| mgedmin | and now I'm feeling betrayed ;) | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: no filemanager of any acme qualities can replace a filepicker requester for attachment selection in mail, just to choose an arbitrary example | 20:51 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 20:52 |
| Venemo | anyway, I need to leave now | 20:52 |
| Venemo | will be back later | 20:52 |
| * lcuk imagines Venemo putting on his superhero costume and cape | 20:52 | |
| Venemo | lcuk, http://sources.venemo.net/memory-game.zip if you're interested :) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | beating up some UX designers in HEL? ;-D | 20:53 |
| Venemo | so, brb | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | oh, oh, oh, I know what I want for my n950 | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | telepathy-salut | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | or a qr code reader | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | iOS V-dunno now finally comes *with* C&P, harmattan now finally *got rid* of C&P | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | what do you mean got rid? | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | it works just fine in Notes | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh why, is it always the crap details that get adopted by Nokia | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | to annoy you personally, I'm sure :) | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 20:56 |
| Mek | C&P works just fine in any text field I've tried it in so far... | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | iPhone at least one some of the solotmachine datepickers got week-of-day. In QML those are consequently omitted | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mek: what's worth a C&P in text input boxes when it doesn't work on browser and terminal? | 20:58 |
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| Mek | okay, yeah, not being able to copy from a browser is indeed a bit annoying | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | C&P a dbus-send cmdline from wiki to shell ;-) | 20:59 |
| lcuk | most frustrating part of the swipe UX is that once you swipe something to the side | 20:59 |
| lcuk | trying to swipe back to where you were is not possible | 20:59 |
| lcuk | losing flow | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | my notion is unchanged, I prefer the N900 every single day | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9 is not, and never will be, the device for me | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I'm willing to help improve it for those who love the concept better than I do | 21:02 |
| Venemo | N9 may be not, but N950 maybe mine | 21:02 |
| Venemo | thanks DocScrutinizer | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | timy details like Fn-BS give me hope | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | tiny* | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ctl-Q | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | a faint twinkle of MHD awesomeness | 21:08 |
| Venemo | MHD? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and obviously with type-to-search in any of the 3 basic screens together with Fn-BS to reach taskswitcher basic screen there's even a stub of a better way than in fremantle to start arbitrary apps via kbd only | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | modified hildon desktop | 21:12 |
| ieatlint | i'm like swipe | 21:13 |
| ieatlint | bleh, i'm also good english talk person | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | basic GUI / MMI design rule: don't make the user constantly swap between kbd and mouse. Ergo plan for kbd shortcuts for all operations that are usually done via mouse, and possibly even plan for a vkbd to type the texts via mouse that you usually would enter via kbd | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | we actually HAVE a vkbd for "mouse", what's missing is full support for hw-kbd accelerator key shortcuts so you don't need to use "mouse" | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | one of the first Apple MacIntosh testers stated: "My keaboard was defect for a week. I got more work done during this week by only using this new thing, the mouse, and the virtual keyboard, than I usually get done on my other PC that has keyboard only" | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder what the same guy would say today, about N900 when his touchscreen was defect | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably not "I got more work done on this awesome N900 hw keyboard alone than on an iPhone with virtual keyboard" | 21:26 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:27 |
| ieatlint | that depends on if he needed to type a lot of non-alphanumeric chars | 21:28 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, also, would be nice the GUI wouldn't flip back and forth between portrait and landscape, especially when the keyboard is slid out | 21:28 |
| Venemo | it just disturbs the natural flow on my usecase | 21:28 |
| Venemo | anyway, will be back later | 21:28 |
| lcuk | " error while loading shared libraries: [/usr/lib/libfoo.so.1] failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted" | 21:32 |
| lcuk | is this aegis? | 21:32 |
| lcuk | it began after I copied binary over the top of installed one | 21:33 |
| Mek | yeah, if sha1 doesn't match it will refuse to load it | 21:33 |
| lcuk | where is the sha1 stored and how can I update it? | 21:33 |
| Mek | (doesn't match with what was in the .deb that is installed) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | yes I can understand that logically, ta for fragment of info | 21:34 |
| * lcuk will just build a later package for now | 21:34 | |
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| dm8tbr | lcuk: you'll probably need to also rename the package as you can't replace signed packages IIRC | 21:34 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, it is my own package | 21:35 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: aaah, ok :) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i installed the file originally with dpkg -i | 21:35 |
| lcuk | then was updating just the file instead of new package | 21:35 |
| lcuk | it is libliqbase | 21:35 |
| lcuk | I was testing the calendar on the capacitive | 21:36 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:36 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 21:36 |
| dm8tbr | how is it? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | well if I could run the calendar (this bug with loading the library now exists..) I would give a screenshot | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yes, this is the security of aegis. You love it, no? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 21:37 |
| lcuk | i actually do not mind | 21:37 |
| lcuk | if the restriction is merely relating to installed packages | 21:37 |
| lcuk | I will simply use "make; sudo make install" directly on the device :P | 21:38 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 21:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, fair enough | 21:38 |
| lcuk | it is similar to the windows protection stuff | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | just it breaks all the normal procedures and habits of the average hacker | 21:39 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is not what a devel device is meant for | 21:39 |
| lcuk | it does show reason why qt-creator has reverted to always installing a package | 21:39 |
| lcuk | when debugging | 21:39 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, when I got the device, happily amongst the first package I installed was "apt-get install build-essential" | 21:40 |
| lcuk | that to me makes it a good device :) | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | my first package was bash, as you know | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that experience made me somewhat hate the device | 21:41 |
| lcuk | echo "deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free" > /etc/apt/repos.d/sdktools.lst | 21:41 |
| lcuk | apt-get update | 21:41 |
| lcuk | apt-get install build-essential | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't give a *real* shell either | 21:42 |
| lcuk | wow, when I got the n810 I wouldn't have known what that meant, by the n900 I knew it but didn't really know why | 21:42 |
| lcuk | now it is almost natural to read scripts | 21:42 |
| * lcuk feels his beard getting longer | 21:43 | |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: lol yeah it's ridiculous but i'm not letting it get me down :P | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway let me try that echo thing, I doubt it will work | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | what tools are available in that harmattan sdk repo? | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | gcc/binutils/etc? | 21:44 |
| lcuk | mg, have a peek around | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html is not friendly to peekers, seems like | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | and I forgot the apt repo structure | 21:44 |
| lcuk | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/ | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | that's a bazillion alphabetical directories | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | is there a Packages.gz I could skim? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | -sh: can't create /etc/apt/repos.d/sdktools.lst: nonexistent directory | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer it's sources.d, not repos.d | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe I shouldn't C&P that ruthlessly | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I only got sources.list.d/ | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | d'oh! | 21:48 |
| * mgedmin fail at correcting | 21:48 | |
| ieatlint | and the repos in sources.list.d/ are oddly password protected | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | no vim in harmattan-dev, which is actually not that surprising... | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | and no sudo, so lcuk's grand 'sudo make install' plan ain't gonna work | 21:51 |
| ieatlint | there is vi | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | yeah, busybox vi | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the echo cmd to create sdktools.lst worked | 21:51 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that's good enough for me | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder what it got me though | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | you got an additional repository and now can apt-get install additional stuff | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | such as sqlite3 | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | still no bash, no mc. I refused to learn either vi or emacs since 20 years, won't stat with it to match Nokia's idea of what's an appropriate shell environment to do some work | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | or strace | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | development tools mostly, as far as I can see | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace :-) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, it is the sdk repository used in scratchbox | 21:55 |
| lcuk | each version of maemo had same | 21:55 |
| lcuk | wonderful resource :) | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | I also remember the fun people had after running apt-get dist-upgrade with the sdk repository enabled | 21:55 |
| lcuk | neat | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ummm, maybe I want to rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sdktools.lst then? | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | better refrain from dist-upgrade | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always did :-D | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | just having those tools available for installation shouldn't hurt | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | lcuk, if you find a sudo package, please share; I can't stand this devel-sh business | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | s/devel-sh/devel-su | 21:58 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, yeah :$ | 22:00 |
| lcuk | curious | 22:00 |
| lcuk | harmattan does not like fullscreen/full resolution it has the tearing | 22:01 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 | 22:01 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 22:01 |
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| javispedro | ah, logs to read! | 22:12 |
| * javispedro is happy | 22:12 | |
| javispedro | also, no work to do this weekend :) | 22:12 |
| * javispedro puts on scratchbox wizard hat and robes | 22:12 | |
| ieatlint | no work for me this weekend either :) | 22:19 |
| ieatlint | i can play with the n950 and start moving on the app :) | 22:20 |
| Mek | hmm, downloading maps seems to be broken on my n950... it downloads a file, but then just sits at 100% forever without doing anything... | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mek: heard it download a tarbal but fails to expand it | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Map_loader | 22:24 |
| javispedro | it worked for me | 22:25 |
| javispedro | the tarball was 30MiB thoug | 22:25 |
| javispedro | h | 22:25 |
| ieatlint | haha, i just tried to download a map on it, and it sat there at maybe 100kbps for a couple min, then gave me an error saying my connection is "too slow" | 22:26 |
| ieatlint | (it's on wifi with a ~15mbit uplink) | 22:26 |
| Mek | hmm, yeah, a 5MB map download works fine, but a 100MB one doesn't... | 22:27 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, my local map package is 126.4mb | 22:28 |
| ieatlint | in my tests, the map application is nice, works well at finding places | 22:29 |
| ieatlint | but the data is maybe 2 years old | 22:30 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, do you have a couple of minutes for me? | 22:52 |
| lcuk | not really, i am debugging something | 22:52 |
| Venemo | you'll miss out the first harmattan game :( | 22:53 |
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| Venemo | mgedmin, you here? | 22:58 |
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