IRC log of #europython for Friday, 2012-07-06

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zerokwhere is guido? ^_^11:03
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* Mez waves12:24
Mezno Moreati ?12:24
TheSheepno more ati12:24
TheSheepintel all the way12:25
Mezmoreati = alex wwilmer... he was asking me to help with soemthing to do with this channell.. thought he'd be in there12:27
TheSheepmaybe the topic?12:28
TheSheepit's kinda old12:28
MezAnyone from pyitalia here?12:28
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juD2kIt's all very well to do live coding in a talk, but it shouldn't be the majority of the content.12:37
juD2kI hate watching other people type.12:37
zerokjuD2k: with bpython it would be enjoyable ;-)12:40
hyneks/enjoyable/colorful/12:42
d0ugaljuD2k: What one you in?12:43
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zerokright… we haven't established yet, that light blue on white is a bad combination ^_^12:46
d0ugalDid anybody see the Django comp key talk?12:46
zerokd0ugal: yes12:46
d0ugalzerok: Was it good?12:47
d0ugalzerok: was it advanced?12:47
zerokd0ugal: it had a funny intro (star wars style) and yes, it was advanced. it basically required some knowledge of how models and querysets operate internally12:47
d0ugalOh nice. I should have went.12:48
juD2kd0ugal: OpenCV12:48
juD2kzerok: I doubt it would be enjoyable :)12:48
zerokjuD2k: ^_^12:48
juD2kSuch a shame because OpenCV has so *much* scope to show off.12:49
d0ugaljuD2k: Feeling better today? :p12:49
juD2kd0ugal: Yes thanks.12:49
d0ugalGood stuff.12:49
d0ugalBeer then? :D12:49
juD2kActually the talk's not bad - it's just slow and a little stumbling12:49
d0ugalfair enough12:49
d0ugalI'm in the mongo one12:49
zerokjuD2k: ah, you skipped yesterday?12:49
juD2kThe guy's mexican and english is not his first language, so you have to give him huge amounts of respect.12:49
d0ugalfor sure12:50
zerokd0ugal: how is mark this year? :-)12:50
d0ugalzerok: Alright, I'm only half watching TBH. Some of its pretty cool.12:50
d0ugalzerok: He is listing *lots* of open source projects, so lots to go and look up.12:51
zerokd0ugal: grrrr so the perfect talk for me :-(12:51
juD2kzerok: Skipped yesterday? No... :-?12:51
zerokjuD2k: oh, then i just completely missed you the whole day ^_^12:51
juD2klol12:51
juD2kI was just *very* tired yesterday.12:52
d0ugalThey should put the EP videos on torrents and use the local network to setup lots of seeds for when we leave12:52
zerokd0ugal: +112:52
juD2k+112:53
d0ugalMaybe I should suggest that, dunno how hard it would be. I've never created a torrent before only consumed :D12:53
d0ugalIt would probably saturate the local network for a while12:54
* zerok thinks about closing psfmember.org using flask or django or something … just not drupal12:54
zeroks/closing/cloning12:54
Jaruszerok: let do it, I will help ;)12:55
d0ugalzerok: sprint idea!12:55
zerokd0ugal: i will be heading home tomorrow, but i'd help remotely12:55
d0ugalcool12:56
zerokwill drop marc-andre a mail later12:56
zerokor i will just do it tonight :-P12:56
JarusI would attend a sprint ;)12:56
d0ugalI don't know what to sprint on yet12:57
d0ugalOh by the way, I think I'm doing pizza again today if anybody else wants to join12:57
d0ugalI didn't bother getting extra tickets though, so you best be quick12:57
zerokd0ugal: for lunch or tonight?12:57
d0ugallunch12:57
d0ugalThe free thing12:57
zerokd0ugal: hmm…. tempting. will try :-)12:58
TheSheepI think the standard lunch is better :P12:58
* TheSheep <-- not a fan of pizza12:58
TheSheepand they don't have ananas :P12:58
TheSheepum12:58
TheSheeppineapple12:58
d0ugalYeah, I prefer the selection12:59
zerokd0ugal: Jarus: mail is out. let's see13:00
d0ugalcool13:01
hynekTheSheep: dude, "free pizza" is just a buffet that has a_also_ pizza. it's jsut better and you can sit. :)13:02
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ambvhynek: I don't need no ticket to sit, youngster!13:03
TheSheephynek: I know that, I tried it last year and was disappointed13:03
TheSheephynek: you know, I'm too shy to actually eat my share at buffets13:03
* hynek likes-likes it :)13:03
TheSheephynek: they always make me feel bad, especially in an empty restaurant with 3+ waiters watching13:04
hynekheh. this buffet is always full though13:04
TheSheepI'm not saying it's bad, it's not my thing13:04
juD2kTheSheep: You *obviously* don't know what you're talking about ;P13:05
TheSheepjuD2k: obviously13:05
ambvtrololololo13:06
juD2k:P13:06
ambvhe only eats things that died13:06
juD2kI try not to eat living things myself.13:06
TheSheepI try to kill them before eating13:07
TheSheepjuD2k: living things, like green leaves?13:07
ambvjuD2k: you cook them alive?13:07
TheSheepjuD2k: you know that they are still photosynthetizing on your plate?13:07
juD2kWhy would I want to eat green leaves? I only eat MEAT!13:08
TheSheep\o/13:08
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* Jarus get a free pizza thing =)13:12
Jarus*got13:12
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d0ugalSo, where is everybody?15:33
Jarusd0ugal: I am at Big Mac ;)15:34
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* mgedmin is feeling like a zombie today for some reason16:32
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ambvmgedmin: easy. you had too few wine at lunch.16:36
TheSheeptoo little16:38
ambvyup, seems I had too much16:38
ambv:D16:38
TheSheeptoo many16:38
ambvbad Sheep, bad Sheep.16:38
* TheSheep bites ambv's head off16:38
ambvno fair, sheep don't do that.16:39
TheSheepmunch munch munch16:40
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mgedminwifi is dead in lasagne17:00
TheSheeprip17:01
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zerokjupp, light green and orange is also not all that great and not-quite-white background :-)17:06
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hynekreadable slides, you're doing it wrong18:29
mfandreasack18:29
ambvhynek: LOL18:29
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jezdezsteve!!18:29
jezdeznice18:29
Jerub"Your Font Is Too Small" is (c) GvR18:30
jeremiashmm, how do I know when is the time of my lightning talk?18:30
jeremiaswas there some list18:30
hynekJerub: they're big enough, but yellow on white and black on black ಠ_ಠ18:30
zerok-_-18:31
Jerub"Your Font Has Insufficient Contract With The Background But Is Adequately Large" (c)Hynek18:32
zerokyfhicwtbbial18:32
zerokcould you catch on18:32
hynektotally18:32
Jarusfaster!18:33
Jarusfaster!18:33
jezdezyum18:33
mfandreasfaster!!18:33
zerokhe is probably related to andrew18:33
zerokdistant18:34
Jaruszerok: who is andrew18:34
zerokhe still pauses from time to time18:34
zerokJarus: andrew godwin18:34
jezdezsounds like grubwith.us18:34
Jaruszerok: thanks18:34
* zerok loves overbooked events18:35
zeroklike overbooked flights18:35
hynekpussycat18:35
zerokwow, a user of django-registration ^_^18:36
jezdez;)18:36
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hynekwhat he says?18:38
zerok… raps are so 2012-07-0418:38
hynekit's paj-pi-aj!18:38
jezdezPIE PEE EYE!!!!!11!18:39
jezdezARGH18:39
zeroki just call it pee pee18:39
jezdezor Cheese shop :P18:39
zerokless thinking involved18:39
illenseeryour font is to small18:40
zerokwrapp … with meat, and onions and chili and cheese and ...18:41
jezdezfree beer for ambv18:41
ambv:)18:42
zerokwoot18:42
jezdezuh uh18:42
jezdezsigh, XML18:44
hynekYour Font Has Insufficient Contract With The Background But Is Adequately Large!18:44
zeroknope18:44
hynekand too small18:44
ambvis this serious?18:45
hynekis this the same guy like low-latency? ;)18:46
ambvah, it isn't. thank $DEITY.18:46
zerokhynek: no18:47
zerokbeer afterwards across the street?18:47
jezdezambv: it worked!!18:48
ambvCheeseShop += 118:48
ambvYAY18:48
jezdez:D18:48
ambvis it just me or is the temperature peaking18:50
jezdezambv: probably violent stress during the XML talk18:50
ulopeambv: Maybe it's the beginning of CO2 poisening18:51
jezdezPuka?18:51
hynekpikapika18:52
ambvjezdez: my thoughts exactly18:52
ambvlemme check the PyP.. I mean cheese shop18:52
jezdezLMAO18:52
ambv"an opinionated RabbitMQ client"18:53
jezdez)_o18:53
ambvbut I still like this result better: http://galeri.uludagsozluk.com/45/puka_32044.jpg18:53
jezdezerr O_o18:53
jezdezhuh, yeah18:53
TheSheepjezdez that looked painful18:53
TheSheepdid you get hit by a door?18:53
jezdezwait, what?18:54
jezdezoh18:54
jezdeznm18:54
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hynekneed beer18:59
jezdezmmmmbeeer19:00
hynekare sprint teasers worthwhile or can we pybeer before we start cocktailing?19:02
jezdezit's probably worthwhile for the sprint newbies19:02
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hynekhm, never been to a sprint but i know which one i go to, so i guess i can skip that one?19:08
zerokfinally someone with a prezi :-)19:09
ulopeInteresting properties like using up more currency in electrical energy than is being genrated in bitcoin value19:10
ambvulope: haha19:12
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ambvdon't hate me for making the lightning talks longer.19:18
jezdezambv: :P19:18
ambvOTOH the teasers will be shorter.19:19
Jerubyeah, bitcoin is a strange beast19:19
jeremiasmany people don't seem to like it, but I rarely see sensible arguments19:20
jeremiasmaybe it is too scary19:20
ambvI would totally get a bit bucket full of bit coins. #badjoke #failedattemptathumor19:21
jezdezyour hashes won't help you there19:22
Jerubjeremias: it wastes computing energy on a global scale to generate a currency that has high novelty value, but a total disconnect with any economy19:22
Jerubso you can't do any business with it that requires a stable supplychain without holding significant risk personally.19:22
jeremiasgoverments waste more value by printing currencies & bailing banks all the time19:23
zerokit's kind of similar to a currency of leaving your lights on when not at home, isn't it? ;-)19:23
jeremiasand personal usage is your own choice - nobody forces you to use bitcoin19:23
ambvjezdez: I can use the overheated room as an excuse19:23
jezdezambv: okay, fair enough19:23
jeremiasfor example, gold mining wastes more resources that bitcoin mining ever would19:24
Jerubeven when you import things from overseas, and you have to hold the risk of your currency shifting vs your suppliers currency.19:24
Jerubbut at least you have significant capital and costs in your own currency. with bitcoin, if you list physical goods for sale online, you might end up selling things for twice or half their cost price at a moments notice because the currency is so unstable.19:25
Jeruband all your costs are in money-dollars not bitcoins.19:25
jeremiasyep, it is highly volatile19:26
jeremiasbut people will still use it19:26
jeremiasfor virtual items & black market19:26
Jerubsure.19:26
jezdezwell, there were the data sims19:26
jeremiascompeting with traditional physical stuff probably isn't the use case19:27
Jerubso only for things where you don't actually interact with the real world :)19:27
jeremiasbut there are lots of use cases outside that area19:27
jeremiaswell, traditionally black market was real world activity... eg. you had to meet people live and settle with cash19:27
jeremiasnowadays you can use bitcoin + tor19:27
Jerubillegal stuff. digital content provision. licensing.19:28
jeremiasand also speculating/store of value19:28
Jerubmy thesis here is that it is not suitable for physical goods delivery.19:28
jeremiasin some 3rd world countries they can't easily move funds out of the country19:28
jeremiasespecially when goverments like devaluing the official currency with inflation19:30
jeremiasso even volatile bitcoin could be good alternative19:30
Jerubfor what?19:30
jeremiasfor USD replacement19:31
jeremiashttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-05/argentina-bans-dollar-purchases-for-savings-infobae-says.html19:31
Jerubyou get wages paid in physical dollars. you buy bread with it. currency transfer with foreign currencies goes to shit and you can't do it, how does bitcoin help? :)19:31
jeremiasbitcoin is easier to transfer19:31
jeremiaseg. remittances19:31
jeremiasno need to transfer currency over the borders19:31
jeremiasin a suitcase19:32
Jeruband we arrive back to the main use cases:19:32
Jerub02:28 < Jerub> illegal stuff. digital content provision. licensing.19:32
Jerubi don't see it gaining any traction beyond those niches.19:32
jeremiaswell yeah, buying and transfering bitcoins isn't illegal yet in any country :D19:32
jeremiaswell, the deflationary properties will take care of the rest19:33
jezdezyays!19:33
jezdezepic sprint intro19:37
ambvDJANGO, I AM YOUR FATHER19:38
ambv -- PHP19:38
jezdezLOL19:38
Jarusambv: great19:38
hynekfun fact, this bug once lead to accidentally changing all passwords of our mail accounts (key = name + domain) because yours truly was used to sqlalchemy.19:39
jezdezyikes!19:40
jezdezit really is a feature request though, not a bug19:40
jezdez*cough*19:40
hynek*cough*19:40
jezdez:D19:40
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