IRC log of #europython for Monday, 2012-07-02

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zerokman, it's so hot09:56
zerok(had to say it in order to test ambv_) ;-)09:56
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mollerstrandhello10:43
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mollerstrandwhere is guido holding this speech?10:44
davidcramer_haha topic is still about europython 201110:44
mitsuhikois this the place where we can troll?10:44
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: also: future tense10:45
davidcramer_no one uses python 310:45
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mollerstrandtrollcenter, surely10:45
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davidcramer_god twitter is dumb10:45
davidcramer_it shortened my tweet10:45
davidcramer_https://twitter.com/zeeg/status/21969802451392921710:45
davidcramer_oh it works here10:45
davidcramer_just not in the os x client10:45
davidcramer_mitsuhiko, did you get any of those invites for the cocktail things10:46
henriquebastosdavidcramer_: same with a rt10:46
davidcramer_oh well people will figure it out10:46
davidcramer_hopefully10:46
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: no. !!!!10:46
davidcramer_i could spin up an instance of the pycon app we built for europython10:46
davidcramer_https://pycon.disqus.com/10:46
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: i don't even have a fancy badge :(10:47
davidcramer_its so full of crap now haha10:47
davidcramer_mitsuhiko, ya im pro at badges somehow10:47
davidcramer_im going to try to force my way into the web/sql mixers10:47
zerokdavidcramer_: yeah, most clients manage to break shortened links :-/10:47
mitsuhikoi think someone should do a live blogging of the keynotes10:47
davidcramer_i need to school some people on sql :)10:47
mitsuhikowith gruber like translations10:47
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ambvdavidcramer_: I received a single invitation for a cocktail10:47
davidcramer_friend got one for mongob10:47
davidcramer_he knows nothing about mongodb10:48
davidcramer_haha10:48
davidcramer_but he knows mangodb10:48
ambvyeah, that's also the one I got.10:48
ambvremember the eventually consistent mug at PyCon US?10:48
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davidcramer_:)10:49
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henriquebastosdavidcramer_: will u record a new mongodb video at ep? :-P10:49
davidcramer_haha10:49
davidcramer_i might give a lightning talk on mangodb10:49
henriquebastoslol cool10:50
davidcramer_probably not out of sheer laziness but ive considered it10:50
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: we should do a troll project for europython10:50
davidcramer_i have a bot that trolls twitter10:50
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davidcramer_called spoilernator10:50
davidcramer_:)10:50
davidcramer_it just spoils tv shows/movies/etc10:50
zerokdavidcramer_: ah, so you broke twitter for me >:-(10:50
zerok:-)10:50
davidcramer_haha10:51
davidcramer_it mostly was spoiling the wire10:51
davidcramer_i wonder if raven would work in python 310:51
davidcramer_without me doing anything painful10:51
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davidcramer_probably not, since the coercion code is a nightmare10:51
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mitsuhikodavidcramer_: http://rustlang.org/10:52
mitsuhikoyou shall keep an eye on that10:52
davidcramer_gross syntax10:52
jezdezuh, flaky connection10:52
jezdezdavidcramer_: what's the web/sql thingie?10:52
davidcramer_jezdez, its those cocktail mixers10:52
jezdez?10:52
davidcramer_jezdez, i think you just have to talk to registration desk to get an invite10:53
* zerok wonders if there will be speakers again with IRC notifications popping up on the screen during the talk :D10:53
davidcramer_jezdez, check your schedule, there is one each night10:53
davidcramer_like at 193010:53
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zeroksadly no cocktail invites for me :-(10:53
jezdezdavidcramer_: aha!10:53
davidcramer_yai didnt get any either10:53
jezdezdavidcramer_: thanks10:53
davidcramer_but i asked and they said talk to registration about it10:53
zeroki guess i will just pay for my own cocktails :-)10:53
mitsuhikojezdez: there is no firewall on the network and someone is tethering his shitty dhcp server onto the network10:54
ambvdavidcramer_: no MongoDB invite for you? DUH!10:54
davidcramer_:)10:54
henriquebastoszerok: if we can't make to the cocktail, let's make another one ;)10:54
jezdezmitsuhiko: nice10:54
zerokhenriquebastos: <310:54
ambvmitsuhiko: whoa, that would be a great hack10:54
jezdez"Every day, in the evening, we will hold a tag-based cocktail, that is a cocktail in which we invite all people that share the same area of interest, as selected through the tags published in their public profiles" umm10:55
ambvto actually provide a working DNS that just tracks what you're doing10:55
davidcramer_id go to the mongodb one just to explain to people why they should go to the SQL one and learn something useful10:56
davidcramer_:)10:56
jezdezhah10:56
jezdezclassic trolling10:56
zerok"tags" are the ones listed under "technical interests" on the public profile, aren't they?10:56
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d0ugalMornin10:57
jezdezzerok: I think so, yeah10:58
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* zerok wonders why there is no "java" cocktail with white and black russian cocktails only :-)10:58
davidcramer_id attend that10:58
d0ugalI managed to get an invite to all the cocktails \o/10:59
zeroklol10:59
jezdezd0ugal: dang10:59
jezdezincluding the mangodb one?10:59
davidcramer_mangodb cocktail will be held at a pub11:00
jezdezexcellent11:00
d0ugalYup, I've got all five lol11:00
d0ugaldavidcramer_: sounds tasty11:00
zerokgrrr power outages11:00
d0ugalAnybody got the sim card? I can't get mine to work for some reason11:03
jezdezd0ugal: use wind.internet as the apn11:04
jezdezempty user/pass11:04
d0ugalThanks11:04
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jezdezd0ugal: err, wait, it's "internet.wind"11:05
jezdezhttps://twitter.com/europython/status/21969829126328729611:05
jezdezstupid backwards namespaces11:05
henriquebastosthis wind internet is great. i've been using it all over italy for the past 10 days.11:05
jezdezhenriquebastos: +111:05
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mitsuhikoshould have bought a sim :(11:05
davidcramer_mitsuhiko, i can give you one of mine to use11:05
d0ugalOh nice, didn't see that tweet11:05
davidcramer_since i need micro sim :P11:05
jezdezbeen using it in the past, too. too bad it's invalid after a while11:05
davidcramer_and my iphone still is locked11:05
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: would take it :)11:05
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henriquebastosmitsuhiko: it's 10 euros on any wind store11:05
davidcramer_i have the vodafone one and a wind one now :P11:05
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mitsuhikoslowclap11:09
jezdezno clap up here11:09
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mitsuhikoshy room :)11:09
ambvlet's ask Guido about "assert", shall we? http://goo.gl/mod/Ljix11:09
mollerstrandspaghetti is quite quiet indeed11:10
mollerstrandwhich is the keynote room?11:11
davidcramer_im sooo hungry11:11
davidcramer_im going to probably find food after keynote11:11
d0ugaldavidcramer_: have breakfast here for free, they don't check you have a room11:11
davidcramer_orly11:11
ambvbad d0ugal.11:11
ambv;)11:11
d0ugal:)11:12
ambvbut if I *do* have a room here11:12
ambvis breakfast included?11:12
d0ugalYes11:12
ambvI wasn't aware.11:12
d0ugalIt is11:12
* ambv dumb11:12
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dumbvoh well.11:12
majackson[D11:12
d0ugalI have a room and it's booked for two people, both with my name. So I've got two breakfasts :D11:12
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davidcramer_ha11:13
davidcramer_we airbnb'd this year11:13
davidcramer_no ac/wifi11:13
davidcramer_TERRIBLE IDEA11:13
majacksonouch11:13
d0ugalYikes11:13
davidcramer_surviving so far though11:13
majacksonno ac is pretty disastrous11:13
d0ugalHotel wifi doesn't work here for me anyway11:13
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davidcramer_majackson, ya didnt even consider that11:13
majacksoni never got my wind sim with my pass :(11:13
davidcramer_luckily the room we booked for Rome next week has both wifi and AC :)11:14
majacksonwill have to chase that up after this talk11:14
majacksonnice11:14
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: i'm all for buying a fan11:14
davidcramer_mitsuhiko, we were looking for one yesterday11:14
davidcramer_we didnt look too hard11:14
davidcramer_but ya we were gonna buy one11:14
ambvI'm done with buying fans11:14
majacksonwe used laterooms and ended up with a supremely creepy huge old hotel, with chandeliers and ancient furniture in each room11:14
jezdezdavidcramer_: same for us fwiw, we should grab breakfast together tomorrow morning11:14
majacksonwifi at only €16/day, bargain11:15
mitsuhikomajackson: pycon ua this year's hotel for speakers hat 2 hour wifi for 20 bucks11:15
davidcramer_hah11:15
davidcramer_jezdez, ya11:15
mitsuhiko"what do you mean, more than two hours of internet?"11:15
majacksonha, awesome11:15
jezdezI think I head down to the cafe bar already before the horde comes running11:16
majacksonim guessing they dont require your name to be reg'd with police for net access though11:16
mitsuhikohad shitty network gear though, you could just sniff out mac addresses of the hotel computers and free internets11:16
majacksonthought that was nuts when i first read that11:16
majacksongood to see this irc channel is being used, shame there dont seem to be any mods around to update the topic11:17
jezdezmitsuhiko: hah, like the time we used the voip phone ethernet cable in the pycon hotel for free internet?11:17
* jezdez is a l33t hacker11:17
mitsuhikojezdez: good times :)11:17
mitsuhikonever travel without charles proxy and wireshark :)11:17
d0ugalmajackson: the ops are the guys that ran EP in the UK. Tried to reach out to them with no luck11:18
jezdezmitsuhiko: :D11:18
zerokd0ugal: zeth just became a dad, so at least his absent is understandable :-)11:18
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d0ugalzerok: aha, that might explain it11:19
jezdezdid you hear that? Guido called it Cheeseshop!11:20
davidcramer_k getting off irc for now11:20
jezdezdavidcramer_: see you down?11:20
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zerokd0ugal: oh, but zeth isn't even op here it seems :-/11:21
d0ugalzerok: yeah, I just looked. It's changed11:22
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d0ugalzerok: meh, I dunno. It was a month or two ago I tried11:22
zeroki guess we could also contact someone from the freenode staff11:22
zeroksame here11:22
ambvjezdez: zing. cheeseshop again.11:22
mitsuhikoso i guess c++ is garbage collected11:23
mitsuhikotil11:23
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mitsuhikowho wants some more php bashing? https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=1855611:24
vortecmitsuhiko: wow11:24
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mitsuhiko:)11:30
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majacksonoh god incredible numbers of parts & joins every talk12:01
majacksondoes no-one use proxys any more? :(12:01
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juD2kDon't know about you guys - we've only just started and I already need a nap! :)12:14
majackson"EuroPython - Fast" just got awfully not-fast12:15
zerokconferences are great for writing code…. have fixed about 3 bugs/workpackages within the last hour :D12:16
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juD2kApple Chalkboard is still pretty ugly.12:18
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ambvjuD2k: +112:23
ambvbut I wonder whether it's more about the huge amount of text on a single slide12:23
d0ugalUpstairs room is cooler and good for a nap btw12:23
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juD2kd0ugal: Thx for the tip - maybe later :)12:24
juD2kambv: Bullet points in slides (often) == bad slides.12:24
juD2k(Not necessarily a bad talk)12:24
d0ugalTotally not reading them and we can only see slides up here12:25
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juD2kI'm reading them, and not listening :)12:25
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titohi.12:25
majacksonthe best slides are ones that make absolutely no sense unless when accompanied with the talk12:25
d0ugaltito: hi12:25
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juD2kmajackson: Agree - slides *accompany* the talk.12:28
juD2kAlthough some of the slide-decks on slideshare are pretty good, even though they often do make sense ;)12:28
vortecalex' slides are very unique12:28
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juD2kGrace Hopper sounds pretty cool. I didn't know a lot of this.12:29
TheSheepit should be taught at schools12:31
davidcramer_http://pastie.org/private/keyewn04wtnf3cstqvuoxg12:31
davidcramer_mitsuhiko, ^^ terrible idea?12:31
davidcramer_i need the main exception class12:31
jezdezTheSheep: +112:31
majacksonedward tufte: slides too often used to guide the presenter, rather than enlighten the audience12:31
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: dude12:31
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mitsuhikodavidcramer_: class SentryException :P12:31
davidcramer_or i could __import__ Exception somehow12:32
davidcramer_noooo12:32
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davidcramer_x = Exception12:32
davidcramer_i could do that12:32
mitsuhikoExceptionBase = Exception12:32
mitsuhikojust don't call it BaseException12:32
juD2kmajackson: O'Reilly publish a great book, called Slide:ology. It's very good.12:32
* mgedmin bought it last year at EuroPython12:32
davidcramer_mitsuhiko, i stole it from pickle12:32
mitsuhikodavidcramer_: object.__new__(cls)12:32
mgedminis O'Reilly having a book stand this year too?12:33
davidcramer_mitsuhiko, does that force __init__ ?12:33
zerokmgedmin: yes12:33
zerokmgedmin: at the back of the tent outside12:33
fijaldavidcramer_: no12:33
TheSheepmgedmin: behind the posters12:33
majackson40% discount too! very generous i thought12:33
davidcramer_http://pastie.org/private/m7w4ssatt0xev1lw5xnoyq12:33
davidcramer_any side effects? ^^12:33
juD2kdavidcramer_: What are you trying to acheive?12:34
davidcramer_unpickle12:34
juD2kAhhh12:34
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d0ugaldavidcramer_: pickled mango?12:36
davidcramer_:)12:37
davidcramer_sentry code12:37
davidcramer_but sentry will use mangodb soon12:37
davidcramer_to be infinitely scaleable12:37
davidcramer_is backbone.js still the cool thing to use?12:39
davidcramer_trying to decide what to use for sentry's frontend12:39
d0ugalSeems to be12:41
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gperetindavidcramer_: does frontend need to be infinitely scaleable too? :)12:44
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d0ugalMangoDB.js12:44
davidcramer_hah12:44
ambvDongoMB12:45
davidcramer_forgot how much i hate js12:45
davidcramer_moving on to next idea12:45
ambvBootstrap or Foundation?12:46
ambvtoo mainstream I guess12:46
davidcramer_already use bootstrap :P12:46
juD2kdavidcramer_: Have you tried CoffeeScript?12:47
davidcramer_bleh12:47
juD2kIt's ugly but good12:47
davidcramer_we used backbone.js + coffee script for the pycon webapp12:47
juD2kAhh12:47
juD2kNot seen foundation before. Looks quite cool.12:50
juD2kNot sure I can find the motivation to switch from bootstrap though.12:50
ambvThey somewhat trolled me because I started playing with it on the 30th, and on the 1st they released a new major version.12:52
ambvI like how they use Sass and their design is different enough from Bootstrap so the website doesn't look transparent.12:53
fijal"ugly but good"12:54
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juD2kYeah, I'm going to have to play with the Bootstrap theming in my own project. At the moment it looks like a Bootstrap example site.12:56
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davidcramer_fml12:57
davidcramer_trying to setup a simple rails app12:57
juD2klol12:57
juD2kAt EP12:57
fijaldavidcramer_: it's not that east eh?12:57
ambvawesome.12:57
davidcramer_still trying to install rails12:57
fijaldavidcramer_: make sure you use os x12:57
fijalall ruby devs use os x12:58
davidcramer_already using os x12:58
davidcramer_ahead of the curve12:58
juD2kdavidcramer_ was using OS X before all the cool kids caught on.12:58
juD2kOops, accidentally implied davidcramer_ might not be cool ;)12:58
davidcramer_pretty sure im going to be covered in red spots before this week is over12:58
fijalI wonder what cool kids use for servers12:58
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davidcramer_fijal, windows man12:59
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ambvnah12:59
davidcramer_or netbsd or something12:59
ambvTEH CLOUD12:59
davidcramer_lol12:59
davidcramer_ya12:59
davidcramer_no servers12:59
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fijalsry12:59
davidcramer_y u so slow to install rails12:59
davidcramer_why cant i just git clone their sample blog app13:00
davidcramer_that'd be so much easier13:00
ambvdavidcramer_: yeah, just as we can git clone the sample Django blogging app?13:00
juD2kWhy are you working with Rails? For lols?13:00
davidcramer_juD2k, need to debug/fix/understand how the ruby client works or Sentry13:00
davidcramer_ambv, good point13:00
davidcramer_ambv, scumbag Django13:00
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juD2kSentry: Another example of Python-as-virus13:01
davidcramer_even java was easier than rails13:01
juD2k:-O13:01
davidcramer_rails is now asking for my password13:02
davidcramer_i assume its uploading it to the internet13:02
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juD2ktweeting it13:02
ambv"Sign up with Twitter" to your Rails installation13:02
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mgedminif it starts asking for your credit card number, start worrying13:03
juD2kSo I've added 'social login' to my django app (using the awesome django-social-auth) - what are the top 3 I should enable? I'm thinking Twitter, Facebook & Google.13:03
davidcramer_p.s. rewriting sentry in ruby now13:03
davidcramer_SEE YOU GUYS LATER13:04
juD2kdavidcramer_: No! You've made the wrong decision! Erlang!13:04
ambvjuD2k: Twitter, Google and RAILS.13:04
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juD2kI'd rather not use Facebook, but I guess I kinda have to. Plus their defaults are to share *everything* with me, so should be a profitable association ;)13:05
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mgedminif you won't allow OpenID, I won't use your site13:05
juD2kmgedmin: A person of principle - I respect you for it.13:06
fijalmgedmin: xcode install does that13:06
juD2kHad considered using openID.13:06
* mgedmin is actually just too lazy to manage passwords, and too paranoid to use Twitter/Facebook for auth13:07
NorthIsUphas anybody here used http://www.fapws.org/ and if so, does it support streaming? or does it buffer data before sending it?13:07
juD2kintriguing13:08
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ulopeCan't someone from the conference up the volume a bit?13:26
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vorteculope: which room?13:34
ulopeSpaghetti13:35
juD2kI wonder where python comes into this talk.13:35
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vorteculope: told a staff member13:35
ulopevortec: thanks13:35
juD2kCan't beat the service at EP :)13:37
vortecdid it work?13:37
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ulopevortec: not noticeable at least13:38
vorteculope: we were confused about the location of the spaghetti room13:38
vortecshould be sorted soon13:38
ulope:) The big one where the guy actually stands on stage13:38
vortechaha yes13:39
vortecjuD2k: i dont think there's any python in this talk13:40
vorteculope: now it's louder?13:42
ulopeYes! Thanks13:42
vortecgood13:42
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d0ugaljuD2k: is it good?13:46
mgedminis there a twitter -> irc proxy?13:47
juD2kd0ugal: Is what good?13:47
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juD2kTwitter doesn't appear to be working very well ATM :(13:48
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d0ugaljuD2k: the talk, I'm wandering13:49
d0ugalCan we go and get beers yet?13:51
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juD2kd0ugal: Ummm13:55
juD2kI would find it difficult to get out :)13:55
juD2kFree wine with lunch! ;)13:55
jezdeznot going to lie, the talk makes me sleepy13:55
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juD2kI've just got it - he's shown 2 laptops running Matlab. This is a call-to-arms - he wants us to rewrite that code in Python/SciPy13:56
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juD2kThis speaker's stuff is very clever, but it's kind of niche.13:59
d0ugaljuD2k: beers after lunch then :D nothing else for a while13:59
juD2kI'm in. Anyone else?13:59
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d0ugaljezdez,  davidcramer_: ^^14:00
jezdeznah, gonna work on my talk :)14:00
d0ugalYou can do that over a beer ;)14:01
yacwow, it is streamed live. nice14:01
jezdezd0ugal: heh, nah14:01
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d0ugalToo wise. Gonna miss your talk unfortunately I think14:02
jezdezI'd be surprised if there is something interesting in there anyway14:03
jezdezfor you at least :)14:03
d0ugalHeh, I'll check out the video and let you know14:04
ambvhaha, subtle insult14:04
juD2kjezdez: I think I'm going to your talk.14:04
d0ugaljuD2k: I'm going to the Postgres training at that time14:04
juD2kI'm sure I'll learn lots :)14:05
juD2kOh bum, so am I14:05
juD2kWell, video for me too, then :)14:05
jezdez:)14:05
juD2kWe can do Q&A later over IRC ;)14:05
d0ugalPython white magic sounded good too14:05
juD2kYeah.14:05
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jezdezjuD2k: sure thing14:06
juD2kAh well - I never ask questions anyway.14:06
juD2kI'm here for the talks and the hallway track.14:06
jezdezluuuuuuuunch14:06
jezdezoh wait, not yet14:06
d0ugaljuD2k: and training and beer and food...14:06
ambvyeah, jezdez, your spot is kinda tricky with the White Magic stuff14:06
d0ugaljezdez: pretty much now, I'm going to wander over14:06
juD2kI'm hemmed in :(14:07
jezdezambv: yeah, tough spot14:07
juD2kOh - guy with blue hair is a Scot. I will have to recruit to Python-Edinburgh :)14:08
juD2kIf he hasn't moved to London :(14:08
juD2k... d0ugal14:08
jezdezsubtle..14:08
juD2kI never have got the hang of subtle.14:08
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d0ugalOver the road next to the river having a beer with  juD2k if anybody else wants to come15:23
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davidcramer_anyon eknow ruby :)15:36
davidcramer_jezdez, d0ugal, what did i miss?15:36
jezdezoh everything, it was hilarious15:37
jezdezj/k15:37
davidcramer_:)15:38
davidcramer_i cant figure out how to pip install -e in ruby15:38
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`fox`hi guys15:42
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jezdezhi `fox`15:42
floxhi jezdez15:42
floxconnection issue, now is good15:42
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davidcramer_#ruby is about to hate me15:45
DamianzUrgh ruby... *shudder*15:48
davidcramer_juD2k, d0ugal, you still here?15:49
jezdezdavidcramer_: they went out having beer across the street next to the river15:50
davidcramer_ah15:50
davidcramer_im going to need alcohol after trying to figure out rails15:50
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zerokso, tonight is pybeer. anyone got any plan for dinner tonight?16:04
zeroklike before the beer event ;-)16:04
d0ugaldavidcramer_: hi16:10
d0ugaldavidcramer_: still on the bar16:10
d0ugalIn16:10
d0ugaldavidcramer_: we are going to order another16:10
d0ugalSo, heard over16:11
d0ugalHead.16:11
davidcramer_ah16:11
davidcramer_d0ugal, i assume its super hot16:11
d0ugalYeah, it is16:11
davidcramer_NorthIsUp, mitsuhiko ^^ wnt to go?16:11
d0ugalBut mark just went to buy you a beer16:11
NorthIsUpwat16:11
davidcramer_lol16:12
NorthIsUpsure?16:12
d0ugalSo, if you don't come I'll have to drink 2.16:12
NorthIsUpi'm just trying to make my talk more 'adavanced'16:12
NorthIsUpso that means CODE SLIDES!16:12
NorthIsUpsed s/pictures/codes/g16:12
davidcramer_just put pictures of flowers16:12
davidcramer_works for me16:12
d0ugaldavidcramer_: closing the iPad, see you here shortly? Cool16:13
davidcramer_ya16:13
NorthIsUppoll: what do people care about for talks, more pictures or more code?16:13
floxmore free beers16:14
floxboth are useful, imho16:15
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mollerstrandlaptop breakage!16:19
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floxor is it a LCD screen?16:22
mollerstrandas long as it's breakage, hey16:26
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torbjorn__is the network connection better in some places than others ? .. It's not great in "Pizza Margherita"17:06
DamianzPizza > Wifi17:06
torbjorn__well, right now I would agree, but I'm afraid the pizza is here in name only ..17:10
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jezdezmitsuhiko: this may interest you: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/python-virtualenv/pWjqpEHYPJM/discussion17:16
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mitsuhikojezdez: i can't get to anything google.com17:38
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floxnow the lightning' talks19:15
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mgedminthe terminal font is very thin and hard to read19:19
mgedminI think he's using a bitmapped font of some kind19:19
mgedminTerminus?19:19
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floxyep, wrong font19:21
ambvmaybe wrong for presentations19:22
ambvterrific for actual usage19:22
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torbjorn__is there a schedule for these lightning talks somewhere ? .. preferably not on the19:35
torbjorn__is there a schedule for these lightning talks somewhere ? .. preferably not the one thats outside19:36
mgedmin"I regret nothing".  Best.  Talk.  Ever.19:41
mgedminI hope there'll be a good quality video of it19:41
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mgedminambv, Best Talk Ever!19:42
ambv:)19:42
floxhe regrets nothing19:42
torbjorn__+1, would attend again19:42
mgedminplease upload the slides somewhere19:42
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ambvhttp://www.slideshare.net/lukaszlanga/i-regret-nothing19:53
mgedminthanks!19:55
floxambv thanks (from 3 seats on your left19:55
mgedminI trust you won't regret uploading them :D19:55
ambvflox: you should be worried, I can overload the "shift left" operator19:55
mgedminaugh, slideshare requires login for downloading19:55
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mgedminwhat's the location of the cocktails?20:03
mgedminhehe "anagrams will help you refactor legacy code"20:05
roguelynnI think it's at James Joyce pub, which I believe is across the river20:06
mgedminno, that's PyBirra, isn't it?20:07
roguelynnah yea, my apologies you're correct20:08
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* mgedmin needs more oxygen20:20
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fonsneaking in, not actually at ep   :(20:53
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