IRC log of #europython for Monday, 2009-06-29

nick_fnmoreati: looks like you didn't come into town; so hopefully you won't miss us00:01
moreatiNo, sorry. Still doing slides00:13
moreatiHow was it ?00:14
Quicktime`bye guys! going to meet ianto00:14
nick_fnWent to Bear something... didn't find hoegaarden though00:21
nick_fnwill try again tomorrow00:21
moreatiokay00:21
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moreatinick_fn at least your clone kept you company00:23
nick_fnThis is true00:23
nick_fn1Eye00:23
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Meznick_fn1: Hoegarden can be found at Bennett's hill00:27
nick_fnah, thank you :-)00:27
MezOr at least, it could last time I was in there00:28
AquilaeOh darn.00:28
nick_fnis that a pub on the street called Bennett's Hill?00:28
AquilaeIt took some time at the restaurant.00:28
MezSorry, its on bennett's hill, at the top.00:28
MezIt's just called "Bennetts"00:29
nick_fnOk, great00:29
nick_fnAquilae: where did you eat?00:29
AquilaeNando's. My friend really liked their chicken.00:29
AquilaeSo, what's up?00:30
nick_fnCafe Soya was ok - actually, not bad. drink was good too, but Pontus was disappointed no beer00:30
AquilaeDid fiona go some place?00:30
fionai didn't get any alerts to leave00:30
AquilaeOr ianto or tobixen?00:30
dreimarknando was okay for me00:31
AquilaeOk, how far are you from the corner of Bridge and Broad st.?00:31
AquilaeLike, anyone and everyone willing to go somewhere.00:33
Meznick_fn1: which cafe soya did you goto? the little one or the big one?00:33
fionai feel a bit nackered actually00:34
* dreimark is tired (arrived some hours ago)00:34
fionai might just curl up with a book00:34
fionafelt alright an hour ago00:34
AquilaeNoooo.00:34
Mezfiona: what book?00:34
fionatry again tomorrow00:34
fionathe dreaming void00:35
fionaby peter f hamilton00:35
nick_fnMez: how can we tell, if we only went to one? :-)00:35
fionaone of my fave authors right now00:35
nick_fnIt was in the Arcadian00:35
AquilaeOkay, anybody else?00:35
Meznick_fn: if it was in the arcadian, and about 10 tables... it was the cafe00:35
nick_fnMez: other one better? It wasn't bad, I'll go again - it was just unclear what was veganish; such as the spring rolls were no good. We had the 10 quid/3 course thing.00:36
Meznick_fn: anything on the veggy menu is vegan. But you have to say that you want it vegan, so they dont use egg00:37
AquilaeOkay, so we're going to karaoke. Are there anybody at the Premier inn willing to join?00:37
Aquilae...anyone? :D00:40
MezAquilae: where?00:40
AquilaeLittle Japan.00:41
AquilaeI have now idea what kind of place it is, just spotted it yesterday night.00:42
AquilaeYou coming?00:42
MezAquilae: edge of china town?00:43
AquilaePretty much.00:43
AquilaeNear Horse fair.00:43
MezAquilae: No offence meant, but its a VERY rough bar00:43
AquilaeDefine "rough".00:43
MezAquilae: Owned and frequented by triads00:44
MezNot very welcoming to new people00:44
moreatifiona: have you read his others? Greg Mendel, Confederation/Reality Dysfunction trilogy?00:44
AquilaeOkay. Well, we'll try the other one.00:44
fionamoreati: i have read he commonwealth trilogy and will move onto others after00:45
fionaprobably nights dawn after=00:45
AquilaeWell, it seems my friend isn't going anywhere so probably I'll skip it as well.00:46
moreatiNights dawn is brilliant, Misspent Youth and Fallen(?) Dragon are missable00:47
AquilaeI don't feel like going somewhere alone for another night straight.00:47
fionamisspent youth is kinda the precursor to pandoras star/judas unchained00:47
fionai adored judas unchained, i couldn't read it fast enough00:47
moreatiyes, but it's not necessary to have read it, and it's not worth reading :)00:48
fionaindeed00:48
fionai just really enjoy the commonwealth universe00:48
fionaand some of the characters you can fall in love with00:48
moreatiMendel books are fun, if comparitively simplistic00:49
moreatiI've got the dreaming void to read next, couldn't get into it the first time00:50
fionai'm sure i'll get through his back catalogue in time00:50
fionait's weird i think "okay, next book you buy is not a peter f hamilton one"00:50
fionaand then it always is =/00:50
fionathe man writes faster than i have time to read unfortunately00:51
moreatifiona: The Culture novels by Iain M Banks are a good alternative00:51
zethWhat us is owned by triads?00:51
zethI go to the chinese quarter all the time00:51
zethI thought it was mostly owned by birmingham city council00:52
moreatiNear Horse fair pub, I think00:52
zethwho I agree are akin to triads ;)00:52
Mezzeth: Karaoke bar opposite rileys00:52
nick_fnI'd like recommendations for audio books :-) Not sure what to pick next from audible00:52
fionamoreati: i read two of the culture novels, enjoyable. sometimes hard to follow, especially when the ships talk to each other.00:52
fionamoreati: a friend of mine is really into them00:52
moreatifiona: yes00:53
Mezzeth: to be fair, a lot of the stuff round there is owned by triads :D00:53
* Mez fortunately has a few of them who are rather friendly towards him00:53
Mez(from working in the casino in china town)00:56
fionai have spent two days in birmingham00:56
fionaand all i can say is that it is full of casinos00:56
fionathat's all this place is, casinos and a pycon00:57
Mezthere's only 7...00:57
fionabam00:57
Mez:P00:57
AquilaeSo no one's going anywhere?00:57
zethI might go to the loo00:58
MezI might goto bed00:58
fionai might go to the loo in bed00:59
Mezfiona: kinky... you're into watersports then ?00:59
zethlol00:59
zethback to #europython-hardcore00:59
zethYou should all go to slobs00:59
zethsnobs01:00
zethhttp://www.snobsnightclub.co.uk/01:00
fionaMez: i guess water balloons are fun01:00
zethcloses at 4 AM on Sundays01:01
zethgreat fun01:01
fionai'm going to start a nightclub that plays 1940s music01:01
fionaand make the dress code like vampire goth shit01:01
fionaand record the event01:01
fionaupload it to youtube01:01
Mezzeth: are you INSANE?01:01
fiona???01:01
fionaprofit01:01
MezSnobs is full of preppy emo kids.01:02
zethyes, and our europython kids arenot going to be beaten up there01:03
nick_fnWhat is subside bar like?01:03
zethbecause they will be the hardest one there01:03
zethSnobs is nice01:03
Mezzeth: are you sure about that?01:03
Mezzeth: snobs SUCKS01:03
zethOnly been there twice01:03
Meznick_fn: I'm a fan of Subside - I DJ there sometimes.01:03
zethI am pretty old you know01:03
nick_fnMez: it looked pretty good when I walked past yesterday night01:03
MezCheap beer, good music (ish)  :D01:04
zethI am a hare and hounds person in my old age01:04
nick_fnI was tempted to get up early and go01:04
Meznick_fn: early?01:04
zethAnyhow this is a challenge01:04
nick_fnMez: open until 6, so I could get up at 5 and still make it ;-)01:04
Mezopen till 6 on weekends.01:04
zethone night this week, get Mez drunk and all go to snobs]01:04
zethwe go on the student night ;)01:05
Mezzeth: I will NOT go to snobs01:05
MezIt's just a hunting ground for paedophiles01:05
zethwell that makes it a good challenge ;)01:05
zethhunting ground for paedophiles?01:05
Mezyes, it's mostly 14 year olds.01:06
zethI thought that was broad street, drunk 40 year old women coming up to you01:06
MezLast time I was in snobs, I was the oldest person in there.01:06
MezI was 22 at the time#01:06
zethwell the cheesier the venue the better01:06
zethlol01:06
zethAs I said, it was about 6 years ago I went01:07
Mezzeth: I'm not going to snobs...01:07
MezI'll stay at subside01:07
zethNever been to subside01:08
zethBeen to hare and hounds ;)01:08
moreatinight all01:08
nick_fnMez: I'll come with you, then I'll try Snobs01:08
nick_fnmoreati: see you tomorrow01:08
fionamoreati: night!!01:08
Meznick_fn: dont even bother with snobs... unless you're a teenaged emo01:09
moreatinick_fn: seya01:09
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Meznight mor01:09
Meztabcomplete fail01:09
zethlol01:09
fionahttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Face_of_a_Southern_Yellowjacket_Queen_(Vespula_squamosa).jpg01:16
fiona< dream time fue01:16
fional01:16
nick_fnnight everyone01:20
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AquilaeSleepyheads.01:35
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ChrisWhey all, there a map of the venue anywhere to download?01:37
ChrisWjust wnt to make sure I turn up at the right place to give my tutorial!01:38
zethChrisW: Where is your badge?01:38
zethChrisW: there is one in the programme01:39
zethwhere the digital file is I have no idea01:39
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fiona`sleepnight01:39
zethfiona`sleep: night!01:40
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zethChrisW: you are in the Band Room01:40
zethso I think it is okay01:40
zeththe venues are less random than they were today01:40
zetheach day the rooms get more sane01:40
ChrisWyeah, but sme building as the conference last year?01:41
ChrisW(I'm coming straight from New Street to give the tutorial and then checking in to the hotel afterwards...01:41
zethcool01:42
zethThere are still the stewards01:42
zethsitting around doing their nails01:42
ChrisWthere lunch provided tomrrow?01:42
zethif you are in a rush, and you can't see anyone you know01:42
zethget one of those steward girls to escort you to the Band Room01:42
zethChrisW: yes01:43
ChrisWwhat time?01:43
zethNormal venue provided pap again01:43
zeth12:3001:43
zethTue-Thursday we have nicer food01:43
ChrisWah noi worries, I'll go for that then01:43
ChrisWtrain ges in at 11:1801:43
zethbut Sun-Mon is the buffet again01:43
ChrisWwhat time do I start again? 14:30 or something?01:44
zethTue-Thursday is traditional food from three places in the UK01:44
zeth14:0001:44
ChrisWmcdonalds, burger king and kfc? ;-)01:44
zethnot exactly01:44
zethI think we could safe a ton of money and give delegates mcdonalds vouchers01:45
zethmost of them seem to go there for breakfast01:45
zethyuck01:45
ChrisWewww01:45
* Mez is sore01:46
ChrisWwhy?01:47
MezFucked up my shoulder somehow...01:47
MezDon't know what I did, but it's agony01:47
MrMeanienight night01:47
zethMez: probably the spooning01:48
* ChrisW looks slightly scared...01:48
zethBe afraid, be very afraid01:49
Theuni1dude EP in britain has a huge issue01:49
ChrisWhey Christian, whassup?01:49
MezTheuni1: the fact that Zeth's running it ?01:49
Theuni1pubs are closed :/01:49
Mez:P01:49
MezTheuni1: not if you know where to go ;)01:49
ChrisWyeah, Sunday nights likely will be quiet01:50
Theuni1isn't the point that i come to a place where i don't know?01:50
Theuni1ChrisW: well. i wouldn't call it quiet. the clubs are overcrowded but way too loud01:50
ChrisWit's what we have locals for though :-P01:50
Mezoh, yeah, sunday nights....01:50
Mez:(01:50
ChrisWon a Sunda ynight?01:50
ChrisWintersting...01:50
* Mez knows where the 24 hour bars are :D01:50
ChrisWhas anyone done a google map for the conference area?01:51
zethyes01:52
zethcheck the website01:52
ChrisWI did01:52
ChrisWcouldn't find it01:52
mattiHeh01:52
mattiFail.01:53
ChrisWinded, the navigation on this year's website is pretty poor01:53
zethhttp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aeuropython.eu+map&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=01:53
mattiWe went to this Brasshouse and there was almost nobody in there.01:53
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zethwhich leads to01:54
zethhttp://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&source=embed&msa=0&msid=104670010414967360724.0004394ea19c66425808f&ll=52.477057,-1.906376&spn=0.014925,0.045447&z=1501:54
zethChrisW: well we did our best01:54
zethwhen you have around 5-10 people helping01:55
zethand 450 people coming01:55
zethit is quite enough to have a conference at all01:55
zethrather low level of volunteers despite repeated requests for help, but that is another matter01:55
mattiBleh.01:56
mattizeth: Not entirely true ;]01:56
ChrisWindeed, but as I pointed out, there doesn't seem to be an easy way for people in help out hwen the yonly have limited time...01:56
ChrisWnow, I wonder why hotel I booked into,,01:56
zethWell ChrisW, you were in fact at EuroPython last year01:56
zethwhen in the PLENARY sessions we asked for help01:56
zethwhat more can we do01:57
ChrisWI don't even know what a plenary session is01:57
zetha session where everyone is together01:57
zetha session where there is nothing else on01:57
ChrisWasking for help and making is easy/possible for people to help are two very different things ;-)01:57
mattiHeh.01:57
zethwell when you have 60 things to do each, you can't sit around creating red tape01:58
mattiWhat is the point of this conversation? There will be always problems to fight and issues to resolve.01:58
zethyou just do it or don't01:58
zeththere are not some people who are busy and some people who are not01:58
zetheveryone is busy with their own lives01:58
ChrisWarg... I wish I'd been joking about which hotel I'd booked into..01:59
Mezzeth: at least with only 10 volunteers, it's a saving on crew t shirts :D01:59
zethlol01:59
matti;]01:59
Mezzeth - PM01:59
zethwell Chris, last year, I got to EuroPython 2008, and all the local voluteers from EuroPython 2007 had disappared. So I thought was going to have just a holiday; but John and I ended up running around doing basic things to save the conference.02:00
zethAnd the only help I got was some person moaning at me about my badge.02:00
Mezzeth: what was wrong with your badge?02:01
zethAfter unexpected hours making sure everyone had a room, and that we had food, and PA; I left it in my hotel on the other side of town02:01
mattiMez: Wasn't pink enough ;]02:01
zethso a person, not an organise, starting having a fit at me over my badge, so I had to go 1 hour trip in the rain to get my badge02:03
zethand see even less talks02:03
mattiWhat was wrong with it?02:04
ChrisWbet you'll have your badge on you this year though ;-)02:04
ChrisWthe problem was random people in the hotel taking the europython food, and the only wya anyone could stop it wsa to check badges02:04
ChrisWthis whole process was really stressing out one of the organisers, so to have another of the organisers saying "yes, but it's fine for me not to have a badge" seemed a little hypocritical ;-)02:05
zethwell the food was a diaster in general02:05
* ChrisW shrugs, seemed fine to me02:05
zethwell I was having the world's worst day02:06
zethI should have just said that I did not want to organise then02:06
ChrisW'cos that definitely would have solved the badge problem ;-)02:06
zethJohn and I should have just spent out time going round Lithunia as planned and let the conference collapse02:07
zeththe hotel had not even been paid the deposit02:07
zethso without our intervention, no one would have got in02:07
zethThis is a bad side effect of the two-year EuroPython system02:08
zethif the people bid for it in 2006, hold it in 200702:08
zeththen disappear02:08
zetheveryone arrives in 2008 expecting a conference02:08
zethAnyhow badges under the bridge02:09
zeth;)02:09
zethThis year is going fantastically well02:09
ChrisWI assume I'll be able to pick mine up on arrival this afternoon? ;-)02:09
zethwe have double the number of delegates than Lithunia02:09
zethyeah02:09
zethso someone must have made it through the navigation ;)02:09
zethChrisW: you will get your badge when you arrive02:11
zethAt the moment, only crew and tutorial speakers wear badges02:12
zethif we are ahead of ourselves tomorrow, we start giving the badges out more generally02:12
ChrisW:-)02:14
ChrisWmy hotel hunt continues...02:14
zethhotel hunt?02:15
zethYou don't have a hotel?02:15
ChrisWno, I've booked one but managed to lkoose the confirmation email02:15
ChrisWso I have no clue which one I'm going to :-(02:15
MezChrisW: did you book on the EP booking ?02:22
ChrisWnope02:23
ChrisWdirect with the hotel02:23
MezAh.. lol - fail.02:23
Mezuberfail02:26
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tobixenworse with a seminar I was to in Vilnius some years ago ... we were all staying at SAS Raddisson, we went to a club right at the other side of the square ...02:34
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tobixenand one Finnish guy got so drunk he didn't remember what hotel he was staying in, he spent 200 euros on taxi trip from hotel to hotel searching for the right one ;-)02:35
tobixenThe year after, the same Finns lost their flight for the same seminar due to a delayed connection ... and ended up taking taxi from Frankfurt to Prague ... those Finns really like to take taxis it seems like ;-)02:35
iantozeth: Imma help tomorrow D:02:46
iantozeth: Am I gonna get me badge? D: D:02:47
Mezianto: you pissed?02:49
iantoMez: Nope, I volunteered for Disaster Management :)02:50
iantoMez: How many people do you know called Mez? :)02:50
Mez302:50
iantoSeriously? :-/02:50
MezFemale Mez, Fake Mez, and me02:50
iantoI thought it was an alias until I found your profiles online02:50
iantoi.e. linkedin02:51
Mezianto: it *is* an alias. But most people call me Me02:51
MezMez *02:51
iantoWhat's it short for? :-/02:51
Mezianto: where does it mention "Mez" on linked in02:51
Mez?02:51
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iantoMez Meredith or something02:51
* Mez can't find it on there.02:52
MezMartin "Mez" Meredith02:53
iantoHeh i was wrong02:53
iantoThe mailing lists you're Mez though?02:54
* Mez is generally "Martin Meredith" via email02:54
iantoUbuntu wiki?02:55
* Mez shrugs02:55
iantoWell somewhere I saw Mez Meredith so... :-/02:55
Mezmy username is mez at most places, most people IRL call me "Mez"02:55
Mezany search for "Mez Meredith" shows uo02:55
iantoBut with the name Martin, people can go "maaaaaaaaar-teeeeeeeeeen"02:55
Mez"Martin "Mez" Meredith02:55
iantoMez: How do you know a girl named Martin? :-/02:56
Mezianto: I dont.02:56
MezFemale Mez = Laura02:57
Mezfake Mez = James02:57
iantoRegardless, zeth give me a shout tomorrow and I'll go around bossing the delegate for you02:59
* Mez slaps ianto 02:59
iantoMez: Why? :(03:00
Mezfor the hell of it.03:02
MezRight, off to bed.03:02
MezHave fun guys and gals03:02
ChrisWhurmph03:06
ChrisWwell, my google chrome history suggests I booked at the Radisson03:07
ChrisWbut they deny all knowledge03:07
iantoReceipts?03:08
iantoBank statements?03:08
zethnight Mez03:14
zethianto: cheers03:14
zethianto: go into the crew room when you have time and tell them you are voluteer03:14
zethno idea when I arrive03:14
zethI have to finish my tal03:15
zethk03:15
iantozeth: Erm, where is the crew room?03:22
iantoI'll try to be early as well03:23
iantoPerhaps 8:45 o rsooner03:23
zethianto: I can't say in this channel03:31
zethask someone one the crew03:31
Quicktime`cluck03:43
iantoclick03:45
iantoevery03:45
iantotrip03:45
Quicktime`bah03:45
Quicktime`long walk home03:45
iantoWell over 1hr?03:45
Quicktime`lol03:45
Quicktime`yeah03:45
Quicktime`weird roads03:45
Quicktime`breakfast time03:46
Quicktime`pineapple03:46
Quicktime`toast03:46
Quicktime`cherriiooosss03:46
Quicktime`Chris03:46
Quicktime`didn't you say one guy was russian??03:47
iantoQuicktime`: Ja he was03:50
iantoI hate this hotel03:51
iantoWiFi is terrible!!03:52
iantoQuicktime`: Why ya want to known bruv?03:55
Quicktime`I want to hear him pronounce some stuff03:59
iantoQuicktime`: His accent was more neutral than those Irish guys we met04:13
Quicktime`:(04:15
iantoQuicktime`: The dude with long hair04:15
Quicktime`kk04:15
iantoTime for bed now, bye all \o04:19
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tobixenwhere does people eat breakfast?09:22
tobixenseems like we'll try the local premier inn buffet today09:22
dreimarkmoin09:45
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tobixenDoes anyone have the email of Pascal Chambon?11:06
tobixenI see he has posted to the python mailing list (mirrorred to comp.lang.python) but all references at google has the email address masked out, and my local news server only have some few weeks archived11:06
tobixenhe has a linked-in profile, but it's not linked to mine11:07
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fiona`sleeplol woke up too late11:13
fiona`sleepskipping pygtk i think11:13
fiona`sleepit'll be break by the time i get down11:13
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nicholas_fiona`sleep: pygtk going to be beginners-intermediate instead of intermediate BTW11:20
fiona`sleepoh11:22
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nicholas_Could do with having a local conference Debian mirror12:00
tobixennicholas_: set it up and announce it ;-)12:01
nicholas_tobixen: would take a brief while to download ;-)12:02
tobixenI believe a proxy server would do, without all the initial downloads12:02
ThomasWaldmannwhere exactly are the sprint rooms/tables?12:09
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jmlhello from just outside the coding dojo12:10
bbrazilhello from inside12:11
tobixenare we producing too much noise?  Should we close the door?12:15
tobixenor should we peek in and see what dojo is about?12:15
tobixen(what is dojo about?)12:15
bbrazilcan't hear you at all12:15
tobixenseems like someone else already made the decision to close the door anyway12:15
bbrazilwe can use it as a 1 bit data channel...12:15
tobixengood idea ... in case the wireless breaks down ...12:17
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tobixenHave anyone seen Tv (Tommi Virtanen)?13:33
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SafPlusPlusMeh, pictures still don't seem to be showing up at flicker... :(13:52
Mezmorning all13:53
tobixenafternoon ... almost ;-)13:53
Mezmeh.13:57
tobixeninternet burp ;-)13:57
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tobixensome two minutes we were all offline13:58
tobixenhm, still too much packet loss13:58
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Meztobixen: this is why I'm bringing the cable for my phone :D13:58
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SafPlusPlus:P14:03
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ghumhello14:06
ghumanybody online in this caht?14:06
ghumcaht14:06
ghumchat14:06
ghum?14:06
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tobixenf..k. .s. hi.h p..k.t l..s .at..14:11
tobixen..ck!...o .... p.cket..oss.ra.e!14:11
tobixenf......so.......a...t.loss......14:11
ghumtobixen?14:11
ghumyou are loosing bytes!14:11
tobixen;-)14:11
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ambv_is it just me or did the wi-fi ground to a halt?14:12
ambv_*grind / grinded ?14:13
ghummaybe someone is .torrenting thriller?14:13
ambv_it's just rude, I cannot virtually use anything now...14:13
ambv_~1 K/s14:14
* ambv_ got nostalgic (the dialup noise in his head)14:14
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tobixenMy theory is that wer' too many clients on the same access point14:17
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tobixendamn, took me three minutes to get the last line through ;-)14:18
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holdenwebAnyone going to lunch in about 20 minutes?14:19
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ms-yep, there's lunch in the refectory14:19
ms-unless you're going out :)14:19
holdenwebms-: Thanks. I'll be across shortly. No need to go out.14:20
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* SafPlusPlus feels kinda proud to get some of the pyjamas stuff + jsonrpc + django working... :)14:48
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nick_fnPhew, I'm back. Don't try to upgrade python-gtk2 during a tutorial when the wifi is variable...15:22
ronnyLarstiQ: sup?15:23
nick_fntime to go check if any food is left15:23
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ronnyLarstiQ: you and jelmer around the conference by now?15:23
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tobixenis there any coffee around?  there was none in refectionary when I was there15:33
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tobixenI desparely need coffee ... :/15:41
* ghum now considers to take his coffee machine with him :)15:41
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TheSheepthey should make laptops with a coffee dispenser built in15:42
tobixenso there is still no coffee in the refectionary?15:42
tobixenrefectory15:42
tobixenrefactory15:42
ghumdriver coffeemachine not installed15:42
fiona"cannot find the server at google.com"15:42
fionai dunno... first sign of the apocalypse15:42
TheSheeprefactorary ;)15:43
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fionahahahaha starcraft 2 has no lan mode... this makes me laugh. silly blizzard15:47
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SafPlusPlusftw... no lan mode?15:49
* SafPlusPlus gets back to starcraft 1 then... :)15:50
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fionaoh hai total annihilation15:53
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Mezfiona: morning16:02
fionafeels like it16:02
MrMeaniehow have the tutorials been?16:03
Mezwell, afternoon anyway16:03
fionaMrMeanie: only went to the ones yesterday. it was alright16:03
fionai'm in py.test right now16:03
fionathis guy is a founder of pypy16:03
MrMeaniefiona, ahhh16:03
fionapypy++16:03
MrMeaniethe pypy talks should be interesting...16:04
MrMeanieis it macziek?16:04
fionacan't remember his name16:05
MrMeanieahh16:05
fiona(can't pronounce it)16:05
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* Mez has spent the morning cleaning :(16:05
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MrMeaniewaiting at peterborough station for a rather delayed train16:06
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fionalost connection again16:07
fionalike everything over port 8016:07
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Mez:(16:10
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ghumpytest? should be Holger Krekel?16:30
MS-It is Holger speaking :)16:31
fionapy.test seems pretty brilliant tbh16:31
fionavery concise and readable16:31
fionagetting a deprecation warning whenever i run it though16:31
fionadamnit people python 2.6 is out!!!16:32
tobixenoh darn it ... the py.test tutorial seems interessting, should have gone there ;-)16:32
MS-It's being videoed16:33
MS-I managed to nab a video camera from work16:33
nick_fnpytest seems quite nice so far , I agree16:33
MS-Will be uploaded to blip.tv out of hours or soon after europython16:33
nick_fnsurprised it's just called, "py" though for easyinstall16:34
fionayes that is confusing16:34
nick_fnseems like that name would be for something more.. core16:34
fionawell he is one of the founders of pypy16:35
fionamaybe he likes the name py16:35
nick_fntobixen: what did you go to instead?16:36
ghumpy was the whole py-library that was created within the pypy project ...16:36
tobixennothing, hoped to do sprinting ....16:36
tobixen... but none of the potential co-sprinters are around16:37
nick_fnoh right, yes; that easyinstall installed a lot more than just py.test16:37
nick_fntobixen: you could still come up, there is probably a square meter space still16:39
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tobixenI'll skip it, need to search for coffee and do some work16:40
tobixenhm, there will be coffee in half an hour during the break ;-)16:40
nick_fntobixen: there is a slight delay while everyone installs things...  Happened every tutorial so far :-)16:43
MS-py.test -f seems useful16:43
nick_fnI'm hoping the distributed testing is good16:43
nick_fnMS-: yes, that's cool16:44
nick_fnIntegrating/record with a VM would be interesting, to snapshot the whole machine at the test failure point so you can always go back and investigate that state of everything16:46
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TheSheepmaybe you should provide laptops with preinstalled software for tutorials ;)16:49
fionaare you gonna provide 50 laptops ? hehe16:49
TheSheepbut seriously, a livecd could work16:49
fionanot really, i'm on a netbook16:49
fionai know a lot of other people are too16:49
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TheSheeplivesbstick...16:49
TheSheepliveusbstikc16:49
fionawhen it works ;)16:50
* TheSheep <-- can't type16:50
TheSheepwell, I think that anything sucks when it doesn't work16:50
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TheSheepexcept for pumps and vacuum cleaners maybe16:51
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nick_fnMy feedback will ask for version numbers to be mentioned in the tutorial pre-req lists16:52
fionatexttest tutorial didn't even mential all of the pre-reqs16:52
fionamention*16:52
nick_fnI like funcargs16:53
fionapain in my right pinky for some reason16:53
fionanot even using it to type :O16:53
TheSheepit will rain probably16:54
fionai like rain, but not when it's so hot16:54
TheSheepfreezing rain is not nice...16:55
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nick_fnbuilt in funcargs too :-)17:00
nick_fnand the provider function can know which test wants something17:03
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fiona`hyaahahaha17:10
fiona`didn't even have the right version17:10
fiona`ffff thanks PyPI17:10
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fiona`that is fricking awesome17:16
fiona`the parameter scope rule17:17
TheSheepjust you wait for running a series of tests for a list of funcargs :)17:17
nick_fnI like the decorator based test parameterisation17:18
fiona` welp, i'm a convert17:19
fiona`this is way better than unittest17:19
TheSheepI'd convert just because of the 'assert' syntax17:20
fiona`it's better than a bunch of functions17:20
fiona`i mean, it does a lot of magic, but it's just a bunch of tests17:21
fiona`anything that removes the work you have to do to get a test to work, regardless of how small, is good imho17:21
TheSheepyeah, writing the tests is enough of a pain already :)17:22
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nick_fnhope we break for power soon17:24
fiona`i need 5-star T.E.A. petrol17:24
nick_fnI think I probably only have a few minutes left.17:25
nick_fnfiona`: not a cold drinks? It's way too hot...17:25
fiona`i like tea too much17:25
nick_fnI like making tea, more than I actually like tea17:25
fiona`i have it on mediterraiean beaches and everything17:25
fiona`thermos ftw17:26
fiona`http://twitpic.com/8r9k3 lol17:26
nick_fnfiona`: I have one of those in my bag!17:27
fiona`ah verbose mode17:27
fiona`that's way better17:27
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TheSheepbeats nose's generators17:30
piks"Table: The homicidal barber"??17:31
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fiona`piks: i am "scotsman on a horse"17:33
fiona`cheeky bastards!17:33
fiona`i think it might be your table on wednesday night17:33
pikshehe17:34
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AquilaeDarn, it would be nice to use py.test on django projects.17:44
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fiona`Aquilae: i must have missed something - what's the issue witth django?17:56
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AquilaeOkay, rephrasing: I hope I'd have enough time to write the wrapping code for our test framework. :P18:06
AquilaeBut it could be that I'm missing something obvious. Our tests have just been a bit of hassle recently.18:07
fiona`ask him during question time :)18:09
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ronnysup18:13
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dobeedoes anybody know where "The Australian Bar, Broad Street" is?18:14
fiona`it's on broad street18:14
TheSheepawesome18:14
fiona`;)18:14
AquilaeBriilliant.18:14
TheSheepnot by the side of it?18:14
fiona`brillant18:14
AquilaeDrillant.18:15
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fiona`no i do not know where it is, but broad street is a large stretch of road near the venue18:15
fiona`ask one of the organisers18:15
tobixendidn't find it so far on google ...18:16
yoletobixen: I think we passed by it yesterday18:16
dobeetobixen: also tried google could not find it, so if it is near here, we will find it :-)18:17
yoleIIRC it's on the left side of Broad Street if you walk from the venue, not far from Bridge St18:17
Aquilae"The bar is right at the end of Broad Street, opposite the Brasshouse, Just past the canal bridge." from http://travel.ciao.co.uk/Australian_Bar__Review_536512118:21
dobeethx Aquilae n yole18:22
AquilaeNp. :)18:22
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holdenwebfiona: Broad Street is just the other side of the canal if you are staying at the Premier Inn18:40
MS-Or, walk out of venue, turn left, walk through shopping arcade, and if you keep walking, straight on, that's broad street :-)18:40
* holdenweb is missing air conditioning, and anticipates a week of group perspiration18:41
AquilaeI love the smell of sweaty coders in the morning.18:42
fiona`holdenweb: i am not. but i know where broad street is anyway, i just can't explain to someone how to get there :)18:47
fiona`Aquilae: get some anti-persperant deoderant18:48
fiona`i have a large can of Sure in my hotel room18:48
fiona`might be a bit perfumey i dunno18:48
holdenwebfiona`: Just tell them to head out of the venue through the shopping area, continue under the road, and they should be able to cross the canal by continuing more or less straight ahead18:49
Aquilaefiona`: Well probably doesn't help the others, but thanks anyway. :>18:50
fiona`oh18:50
fiona`kay18:50
holdenwebAquilae: When I plead with geeks to "use soap" I am *not* referring to the Simple Object Access Protocol18:51
penmarkgo left round the first corner outside the venue, passing mcdonald's, and walking through the arcade. cross the foot bridge and over the square, broad street is on your left side, and the bars are on the left side of broad street, after the square18:51
fiona`holdenweb: good, because soap is good but SOAP can fuck off18:52
fiona`been having to deal with that for the past few weeks18:52
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fiona`was writing a script for a large iinsurance company, and they insisted i used this horrible SOAP interface18:53
fiona`long story short, i ended up going there to fix their problems18:53
fiona`but i didn't enjoy writing the script18:53
nick_fnhttp://72.249.21.88/nonintersecting/?year=2006&monthnum=11&day=15&name=the-s-stands-for-simple&page= I love this story about SOAP18:54
fiona`SG: Well, ‘tunnel’ is such an ugly word. We prefer to say SOAP is transport agnostic.18:55
fiona`haha18:55
fiona`Dev: Whoa, back up. What was that word? Wizzdle?18:56
fiona`oh god too close to home18:56
fiona`thanks for this nick_fn18:57
nick_fnfiona`: don't miss the talk we're in though ;-)18:57
ronnysup18:58
fiona`tryin'18:58
fiona`sup ronny18:58
ronnygoing insane on thinking about a nice api for automating virtualenv in order to set up different python versions / package versions for testing18:59
Aquilaehttp://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=2007071618:59
fiona`buckleyyyyy19:00
fiona`ctrl-alt19:00
fiona`-del is the worst comic in the world19:00
fiona`i don't even need to click it to know that it's three characters with the same expression in each panel19:00
fiona`probably an awkward pause in one of the panels19:00
AquilaeI wouldn't say that but it has it has its ups and downs.19:01
fiona`very rarely anything related to video games19:01
nick_fnWhat's the name of the girl who wears the purple tshirt in c-a-d?19:01
AquilaeLilah?19:01
fiona`she doesn't need a name, she is "girl"19:01
fiona`that is her only defining character trait19:01
nick_fnShe looks exactly like my wife, so I read c-a-d for that reason.19:01
AquilaeWhen was the last time you checked it?19:01
fiona`she exists to stroke the authors ego19:01
fiona`Aquilae: i stopped looking at it a while ago, but i click on enough links of people linking to it19:02
fiona`also i get updated on it's latest terrible now and again19:02
fiona`now castle vidcons.. that's a video game comic19:02
fiona`or hilarity comics19:02
ronnybbl19:03
nick_fnPeople eating at this Broad Street bar?19:04
fiona`no one seems to know what's going on19:04
fiona`some people are going to this wellington bar19:04
nick_fnI will have a snack before hand, and take a snack also then.19:04
fiona`some people are going to australian19:04
fiona`no one has mentioned food19:04
AquilaeWhoah, déjà-vu.19:05
fiona`i wish someone would take the reigns tbh19:05
nick_fnfiona`: people have different preferences though?19:05
AquilaeI've heard that introduction to distributed testing in a dream.19:05
MS-The "official" plan (ie one on the schedule) is the Australian Bar on broad street.19:05
nick_fnAquilae: lol19:05
nick_fnuh, but quietly19:05
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MS-But that's at 7:30, so you could always go to both :)19:06
fiona`true, but i'm not sure if anyone will19:06
fiona`so do i go back to the hotel room, cool down a bit and go to the australian bar at 7:30 to potentially find no one there?19:06
nick_fnfiona`: I'll be going at least, and so will Pontus. Although I realise you don't know either of us.19:07
fiona`we should all wear our name tags, easy to find python people19:07
TheSheepand funny hats19:08
TheSheepand "rob me I'm a tourist" t-shirts19:08
nick_fnit's kind of easy to recognise us anyway...19:08
nick_fnwe were playing that game outside yesterday19:09
nick_fnwe are the people who look like the geeky people19:09
tobixenHm ... maybe I should just go for ales for dinner today ...19:09
nick_fn[py.test] This really does sound great19:11
fiona`seriously, the multiple interpreters is frikkin sweet19:12
fiona`and finally, a use for my three sleeping processor cores??19:12
fiona`hell yeah19:12
TheSheepand you can have a build farm too19:12
AquilaeAgreed, I'm so in love with this.19:13
tobixenfiona: what's that? Kamelia?  PIPPER?19:13
yolethat's py.test19:13
tobixenah ... right19:13
tobixenparallellizing the tests?19:13
fiona`cha19:13
tobixenI think we already do that at work19:13
tobixenthrough our self-built framework ...19:14
fiona`oooOOOOOOOoooo19:14
fiona`;)19:14
fiona`that seemed so easy it's criminal19:16
TheSheepand you can test on windows...19:16
TheSheepwithout having to use windows19:16
fiona`why? ;)19:16
TheSheepjust set up an ssh server19:16
TheSheepbecause it hurts19:16
yoleI don't think it would be exactly easy to set up this stuff on Win19:16
fiona`you can do that on windows?19:16
TheSheepyou can set up an ssh server in cygwin on windows19:16
nick_fncygwin includes sshd, and rsync, and all sorts19:16
fiona`ah-ha19:17
yoleyou can do this even without cygwin, but the config is more cumbersome19:17
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nick_fnit feels a bit weird to ssh into the cmd shell, mind19:17
TheSheepbut it's one-time effort19:17
MS-py.test's distribution model looks interesting. I may nab the approach it uses for our code :)19:17
fiona`the only experience of cygwin i have is getting my boyfriend set up with git19:17
fiona`seemed good enough19:18
MS-(for multiple hosts stuff)19:18
Theuni1hmm19:18
Theuni1does anybody see john pinner?19:18
tobixenhaven't seen him at all so far19:18
MS-he should be in the code clinic IIRC19:18
Theuni1A hotel reservation went wrong and I'd need to get in contact with him. If anybody has his mobile number that would be great too.19:18
MS-I saw him at lunch time19:18
Theuni1I'm currently at my hotel trying to proxy some other guy, so I'd need a hand here. :)19:19
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AquilaeThe projector box looks a bit like a smiley with shades at least when looking from the back of the room.19:21
TheSheepAquilae: I see you are in *that* stage already19:21
TheSheepjust don't attack it on the excuse that it's staring at you19:22
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AquilaeThat looponfailing sounds quite awesome. :>19:23
fiona`yup19:23
yolepy.test --pleasedontfail19:23
fiona`py.test --illbuyyouanicecreamifyouwork19:23
TheSheeppy.test --please-plaease-plaease-with-sugar-on-top19:23
Aquilaepy.test --if-you-segfault-you-re-done-for19:24
TheSheephey, how about --don't-run-tests-just-displays-the-dots ?19:24
yole"no, I'm not daydreaming, I'm just waiting for my tests to pass" :)19:25
Theuni1humm19:25
Theuni1any other EP organizers around?19:26
nick_fnTheuni1: we're about to finish, so maybe someone will run into them19:26
Theuni1hmm.19:27
Theuni1i've gotta leave soon19:27
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nick_fntime to go charge my phone then now.19:28
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nick_fnpenmark: oh, hey19:30
penmarktoot19:30
Aquilae0:10 of battery remaining...19:30
fiona`i'm on AC oooo yeaaa19:30
penmarkPyjamas wrapping up now19:30
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AquilaeThat was awesom!19:31
fiona`yup it was19:31
nick_fnyep19:31
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AquilaeHotel and AC. ->19:31
fiona`shutting down the lappy19:31
fiona`see ya'll19:31
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holdenwebGoing for a pint in the Premier canalside before dinner, if anyone wants to join me19:48
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nick_fn_tabletI will be going to the sushi place near Paradise Forum for dinner20:08
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sgbirchA few of us are planning an Indian meal at http://www.barajee.com/location.html, next door to the Australian bar.  Meeting at 7:30pm.20:14
sgbirchjoin us if you like Indian food!20:15
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nick_fn_phonepenmark: you want to eat soon?20:22
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fionahooah20:27
fionaslow hotel internet connection20:28
nick_fn_phoneHotel connection is missing today for me :-(20:29
nick_fn_phonefiona: you were not sure what to do for food. I'm going to collect some people for sushi, if you fancy that.20:30
fionanah i don't like sushi20:31
fionawill the bar have any food that you know??20:31
yolenick_fn_phone: at what time are you going for sushi?20:31
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nick_fn_tabletI'll be having noodles rather than sushi20:43
nick_fn_tabletyole, asap really20:43
nick_fn_tabletOff to find penmark , then food20:45
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tobixenfiona: the australian bar should have food20:48
tobixenor so it was said20:48
tobixenso I'm planning to eat there20:48
tobixenafter shower and some emails20:48
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fionaokay tobixen - i'll probably see you there :)20:53
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tobixenit's raining cats and dogs out there now ...21:04
tobixeneither I skip taking the shower and walk out naked, or I'll postpone going to the bar ;-)21:05
tobixenapparently the wellington has wifi, maybe I'll go there instead of the australian bar21:06
MS-thunder & lightning too! :-)21:06
tobixenit was the same weather in London some days ago.  With hail as well ... thunder & lighting & rain lasted for more than an hour21:08
Theuni1wow21:08
Theuni1now i'm soaked21:08
Theuni1hooray21:08
MS-I may give it 10 minutes or so before I go out to the bar21:11
MS-:)21:11
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Theuni1I'll give it more.21:20
Meztobixen: the wellington is normally packed at this time21:21
Meztobixen: you wouldnt have space to put a laptop down21:22
Mezwow, it seems that the premier inn are having major issues with booking.21:28
MezI just checked with etap, and they have a large booking, which includes mine (made a couple of days ago)21:29
tobixenit stopped raining now, so I'll rush into the shower ...21:31
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tobixenok, on my way to ... the australian wellington?21:46
tobixeneh ... on broad way ;-)21:46
fionaleaving now21:57
fionai'm gonna go to the australian i think21:57
fionaif only because i need food21:57
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LarstiQronny: I just arrived. I don't think jelmer is attending this year.23:32
MezLarstiQ: I've not heard if jelmer is... but it'll be cool if he is - I believe I owe him a pint from last time23:40
MezLarstiQ: you're @ EP too?23:42
Mezcool23:42
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