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| zeth | Michael Jackson, 80s pop star, is dead | 01:40 |
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| fuzzyman | is it confirmed yet? | 02:08 |
| matti | Oh dear | 02:08 |
| fuzzyman | it was just one website reporting it (TMZ) up until recently | 02:08 |
| fuzzyman | he was a very odd man | 02:08 |
| fuzzyman | lots of other sites saying he is in a coma | 02:08 |
| fuzzyman | Hmmm... BBC now saying he is dead | 02:09 |
| fuzzyman | so fair enough | 02:09 |
| zeth | He's dead, he's dead, he's really really dead | 02:17 |
| zeth | Now I have a minibreak in London to fill with something else | 02:17 |
| fuzzyman | there are rumours his plastic surgeon has enough spares to fulfil the tour obligations, so don't change plans too quickly. | 02:18 |
| zeth | (previous line before was to the tune of 'Bad') | 02:18 |
| matti | Have a coffee. | 02:18 |
| zeth | lol | 02:18 |
| zeth | He's been hit by, he's been struck by, a cardiac arrest | 02:18 |
| zeth | doesn't quite fit | 02:18 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 02:19 |
| fuzzyman | I can see you're very emotional about this | 02:19 |
| zeth | She who must be obeyed is the biggest Michael Jackson fan | 02:19 |
| fuzzyman | ahhhh | 02:19 |
| matti | Oh dear. | 02:19 |
| matti | Lets talk about something else. | 02:19 |
| matti | ; | 02:19 |
| matti | ;] | 02:19 |
| zeth | I thought he was reasonable 80s act with slightly questionable relationship to children | 02:19 |
| zeth | but wife insisted on buying tickets to the concert in London 02 | 02:20 |
| zeth | so we have hotel (£30) and national express tickets (3 * £4), so I won't waste it ;) | 02:21 |
| zeth | big spender me ;) | 02:21 |
| matti | Hehe | 02:21 |
| zeth | tickets were 4 * £3, otherwise someone is not going home | 02:21 |
| zeth | hopefully there will be musical or suchlike instead | 02:22 |
| fuzzyman | that's very cheap - both for hotel and coach | 02:22 |
| fuzzyman | I'm sure you'll find something else | 02:22 |
| zeth | We are efficient ;) | 02:22 |
| matti | Question: can somebody recommend nice gadget? | 02:22 |
| zeth | hotel is right next to 02 | 02:22 |
| fuzzyman | gadget... | 02:22 |
| matti | I want to spoil myself for my 25h b-day. | 02:22 |
| zeth | matti: mincer | 02:22 |
| matti | s/h/th/ | 02:22 |
| fuzzyman | did I hear someone gadget | 02:22 |
| fuzzyman | say | 02:22 |
| matti | zeth: Hahahah | 02:22 |
| zeth | They are really good | 02:22 |
| matti | Reliable. | 02:22 |
| matti | ;] | 02:23 |
| zeth | We have She Who Must be Obeyed Granny's | 02:23 |
| fuzzyman | http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2009_06_13.shtml#e1099 | 02:23 |
| zeth | it is really nice | 02:23 |
| matti | I see that someone is in a very sacrastic mood. | 02:23 |
| fuzzyman | iPhone is great | 02:23 |
| matti | ;] | 02:23 |
| fuzzyman | Pre is almost as good | 02:23 |
| fuzzyman | Android phone probably as good as Pre | 02:23 |
| zeth | you cut up meat and mince it, so you can mix meats in cool ways | 02:23 |
| matti | Yeah. | 02:23 |
| matti | I reckon. | 02:23 |
| matti | There is one slight glitch. | 02:23 |
| zeth | like beef and pork etc | 02:23 |
| matti | You see. | 02:23 |
| matti | ;] | 02:23 |
| matti | I am a vegetarian. | 02:24 |
| fuzzyman | that blog entry is a review of three different gadgets | 02:24 |
| matti | Carror + Mincer = ??? | 02:24 |
| matti | Carrot | 02:24 |
| zeth | it would handle a carrot | 02:24 |
| fuzzyman | why are you a vegetarian? | 02:24 |
| matti | Its a long story. | 02:24 |
| matti | I can tell you at EPC. | 02:24 |
| matti | ;] | 02:24 |
| fuzzyman | tell me over a beer or two | 02:24 |
| zeth | fuzz what hotel are you in> | 02:24 |
| matti | Sure thing. | 02:25 |
| matti | ; | 02:25 |
| zeth | etap again or did you splash out? | 02:25 |
| fuzzyman | I'm at the cheap one | 02:25 |
| fuzzyman | the boss booked :-( | 02:25 |
| fuzzyman | and I couldn't be arsed to change it | 02:25 |
| zeth | d'oh | 02:25 |
| zeth | well you get a bit fit | 02:26 |
| matti | ;| | 02:26 |
| fuzzyman | there for a frickin week | 02:26 |
| zeth | the other one is lovely | 02:26 |
| zeth | ;) | 02:26 |
| fuzzyman | which is the other one? | 02:26 |
| zeth | the one by the canal | 02:26 |
| matti | Premier | 02:26 |
| matti | ;] | 02:26 |
| fuzzyman | how much it cost? | 02:26 |
| zeth | right near the venue and all the historic looking bits | 02:26 |
| fuzzyman | still any vacancies? | 02:27 |
| fuzzyman | I might see if I can sell my room to ronny who was looking for a room... | 02:27 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/registration/ | 02:27 |
| matti | Anyway... besides mincer. | 02:27 |
| matti | Anything else? | 02:27 |
| zeth | Well john might be able to swap it in the background | 02:27 |
| zeth | It is basicially double | 02:27 |
| fuzzyman | hmmm - I'd have to find £420 | 02:28 |
| fuzzyman | I'm staying a frickin week | 02:28 |
| zeth | well 62 instead od 38 | 02:28 |
| zeth | except on Sunday, when the Premier is 31 for some weird reason | 02:28 |
| matti | Yeah | 02:29 |
| fuzzyman | hotels often cheaper at weekends | 02:29 |
| matti | I was expecting weekend to be more expensive | 02:29 |
| fuzzyman | yeah - but I'd have to pay it all myself | 02:29 |
| fuzzyman | except what I can get back from someone else | 02:29 |
| zeth | weird, that hotel seems to be different quite a lot between nights | 02:29 |
| zeth | but if John in the background, reused that etap booking | 02:29 |
| zeth | then it would only be the difference | 02:30 |
| fuzzyman | google news reporting that Jeff Goldblum died as well | 02:30 |
| matti | WOT | 02:30 |
| zeth | but it depends if your boss booked through us or directly | 02:30 |
| matti | Odd. | 02:30 |
| fuzzyman | I'll ask John - although he might want to strangle me | 02:30 |
| fuzzyman | he booked through us | 02:30 |
| fuzzyman | did you see the latest tweet from the EuroPython account? | 02:30 |
| zeth | Say that you want to be nearer the venue so that you can help more | 02:30 |
| fuzzyman | ha | 02:30 |
| zeth | lol | 02:31 |
| matti | ;] | 02:31 |
| zeth | Funny tweet | 02:34 |
| fuzzyman | Only just finished my talk | 02:36 |
| fuzzyman | isn't that bad :-( | 02:36 |
| zeth | I am still doing mine | 02:36 |
| fuzzyman | heh | 02:37 |
| zeth | Conference organising filled my time I had alloted last weekend to do it | 02:37 |
| zeth | I am trying to think of new XML jokes so I don't have to re-use those from PyConUK | 02:37 |
| fuzzyman | this isn't PyCon UK | 02:38 |
| fuzzyman | you can reuse anything | 02:38 |
| fuzzyman | it's great | 02:38 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 02:38 |
| fuzzyman | matti you decided on a gadget? | 02:39 |
| zeth | well last year I had way too much material and too much enthusiam | 02:39 |
| zeth | so I might just use one slide out of it | 02:39 |
| zeth | ;) | 02:39 |
| fuzzyman | how is too much enthusiasm poossible? | 02:39 |
| fuzzyman | I didn't see your talk | 02:40 |
| fuzzyman | in fact I don't recall many talks | 02:40 |
| fuzzyman | ah... | 02:40 |
| zeth | It was me and a friend | 02:40 |
| zeth | we had 30 min slot | 02:40 |
| zeth | we each had about 45 mins tutorial | 02:40 |
| fuzzyman | hah | 02:40 |
| zeth | and we followed Someone that went 10 minutes over | 02:40 |
| zeth | so we spoke at amazing speed | 02:40 |
| zeth | so that I am not sure how easy it was to understand | 02:41 |
| zeth | I think we got the main points across | 02:41 |
| zeth | but | 02:41 |
| zeth | I think I could have done it bit less | 02:41 |
| zeth | This year is me alone in 45 mins | 02:41 |
| zeth | and I am before a break | 02:41 |
| zeth | so I can do less material | 02:41 |
| zeth | and leave good time for discussion | 02:42 |
| zeth | and if don't have discussion, we go and get the food first | 02:42 |
| zeth | or tea and biscuits | 02:42 |
| matti | fuzzyman: No. | 02:51 |
| matti | fuzzyman: I have no idea. | 02:51 |
| matti | fuzzyman: I had this period in my life, when I was gathering a lot of junk. | 02:52 |
| matti | fuzzyman: Now... I can't be asked to go and buy more junk. | 02:52 |
| matti | ;] | 02:52 |
| fuzzyman | heh | 02:52 |
| fuzzyman | buying junk is bad | 02:52 |
| fuzzyman | g'night | 02:52 |
| matti | Well. | 02:52 |
| fuzzyman | I'm going to bed | 02:52 |
| matti | Good night fuzzyman ;] | 02:52 |
| matti | Sleep tight. | 02:52 |
| matti | fuzzyman: Junk as "stuff that I dont really need..." | 02:53 |
| fuzzyman | I understand | 02:53 |
| fuzzyman | I have bought much stuff I don't need in the past | 02:53 |
| fuzzyman | I get annoyed with myself when I do it | 02:53 |
| fuzzyman | anyway | 02:54 |
| fuzzyman | really g'night | 02:54 |
| matti | ;] | 02:54 |
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| Mez | zeth, does this mean I have the arduous task of trying to get you to shut up on Wednesday ? | 13:23 |
| zeth | Hi | 13:31 |
| zeth | Tuesday I think | 13:31 |
| zeth | Mez: wed would ne nice one more day to prepare | 13:31 |
| zeth | but alas the put me on the first day of chaos | 13:31 |
| matti | Hi zeth | 13:32 |
| zeth | Morning matti | 13:33 |
| Mez | lol | 13:44 |
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| fiona | half expected this to be empty | 14:35 |
| MrTopf | I feel very empty .. | 14:48 |
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| fiona | why is thta? | 14:50 |
| fiona | is this a sympathy plea? :P | 14:50 |
| zeth | lol | 15:03 |
| zeth | We are all a bit tired out from organing maybe ;) | 15:03 |
| zeth | Or people are sad about michael Jackson? ;-) | 15:03 |
| matti | Heheh | 15:03 |
| zeth | fiona: Hwo are you? | 15:03 |
| matti | Michael Jackson. | 15:04 |
| matti | The amount of jokes floating in the office today makes me worried. | 15:04 |
| matti | ;] | 15:04 |
| fiona | I'm fine thanks | 15:05 |
| fiona | still reeling over the shock from michael jacksons death | 15:05 |
| matti | Shock? | 15:06 |
| matti | God. | 15:06 |
| matti | People die you know. | 15:06 |
| matti | Kinda normal thing. | 15:06 |
| zeth | well he was only 50, and was about to have a big comeback | 15:08 |
| fiona | yeah but very few times do legends of that calibre die | 15:08 |
| fiona | and yes just before his comeback tour | 15:08 |
| matti | Phew. | 15:08 |
| MrTopf | probably because his comeback tour | 15:08 |
| zeth | I had tickets, but I do think people around me here need to get a reality check | 15:08 |
| zeth | MrTopf: indeed | 15:09 |
| matti | zeth: Yeah. | 15:09 |
| fiona | i've been told all the tickets are magically being turned into madonna tickets with no whispers of refunds | 15:09 |
| matti | zeth: They do need to stop behaving like 5 years old children and get over it. | 15:09 |
| zeth | madonna? | 15:09 |
| zeth | What a pile of poo | 15:09 |
| matti | zeth: If not, perhaps we can have Jackson shrine or an altar on the EPC. | 15:10 |
| matti | ;] | 15:10 |
| MrTopf | who's madonna? | 15:10 |
| matti | We could organise Jackon karaoke | 15:11 |
| matti | ;] | 15:11 |
| fiona | ray of light is pretty much the only great song madonna ever released | 15:11 |
| fiona | the rest is forgettable | 15:11 |
| matti | I like Frozen. | 15:11 |
| matti | Anyway. | 15:11 |
| zeth | Frozen is good despite madonna not because of her | 15:12 |
| zeth | The madonna thing is probably nonsene | 15:12 |
| zeth | nonsense | 15:12 |
| zeth | it says on the website that refund informaton will be published soon | 15:12 |
| fiona | is europy held in a place with minimal windows? | 15:12 |
| fiona | because the glare on screens will be horrendous otherwise | 15:12 |
| zeth | yep | 15:12 |
| MrTopf | what's the weather anyway? | 15:13 |
| zeth | 1. they are proper lecture rooms | 15:13 |
| zeth | This week has been 26 C here | 15:13 |
| fiona | phew | 15:13 |
| zeth | but next week is storms and rain | 15:13 |
| zeth | so no glare here | 15:13 |
| fiona | i bought a lovely new coat for the occassion | 15:13 |
| MrTopf | Hm.. | 15:13 |
| fiona | so i look forward to the rain | 15:13 |
| zeth | http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2102 | 15:13 |
| fiona | fuck you sunday | 15:14 |
| zeth | so it works out kind of well in a way | 15:14 |
| zeth | that I had really sunny week this week, then when I am indoors all week in Europython it rains, then the week after is sunny | 15:14 |
| matti | Heheh | 15:14 |
| MrTopf | well, at least not cold | 15:14 |
| zeth | we can't sit on the beach that much if it rains | 15:15 |
| zeth | there is an artifical beach right outside the venue | 15:15 |
| fiona | i work in what is practically a greenhouse so i routinely curse the sun | 15:15 |
| zeth | Birmingham is not near the sea, so the city council builds a big artifical beach | 15:15 |
| matti | Bleh. | 15:16 |
| fiona | that makes sense | 15:16 |
| zeth | and they have parties on it and so on | 15:16 |
| zeth | it is free to sit on it | 15:16 |
| matti | Interesting. | 15:16 |
| fiona | the saturday social has a huge list of names I see | 15:16 |
| zeth | However, the BBC website always shows the worst weather possible | 15:17 |
| fiona | maybe i should put my paw on it | 15:17 |
| matti | Saturday social? | 15:17 |
| fiona | http://wiki.europython.eu/Socials | 15:17 |
| matti | TBD :P | 15:18 |
| zeth | well that is not true | 15:18 |
| zeth | most of them are decided | 15:18 |
| fiona | what | 15:18 |
| fiona | i tried editing the wiki | 15:18 |
| fiona | and it goes "TextCha: Wrong answer! Go back and try again.." | 15:18 |
| zeth | You have to fill in the stupid box | 15:18 |
| zeth | Someone needs to crib the info from here http://www.europython.eu/talks/timetable/ | 15:18 |
| fiona | which box | 15:19 |
| fiona | the comment? i tried that | 15:19 |
| zeth | the box aking you a quiz question | 15:19 |
| matti | Haha | 15:19 |
| fiona | oh my that is one hidden captcha | 15:19 |
| zeth | I am not sure why one should have to sign up for socials on the wiki? | 15:19 |
| matti | I am only looking forward to GPG signing party. | 15:20 |
| fiona | well it might push someone into selecting a venue for saturday when the names are actually there | 15:20 |
| matti | I am not very a people-person :< | 15:20 |
| matti | Dont drink alcohol etc. | 15:20 |
| fiona | i'm pretty much the opposite haha | 15:21 |
| matti | :) | 15:21 |
| matti | fiona++ | 15:21 |
| MrTopf | I guess I will meet some people at the airport, somebody should do a EP sign so we can create a meeting point :) | 15:21 |
| fiona | my boyfriend is not a people person and doesn't drink | 15:21 |
| fiona | (he's not coming to europy) | 15:21 |
| matti | fiona: So you have catch up for two of you, I see. | 15:21 |
| matti | :) | 15:21 |
| fiona | MrTopf: suggest someone just holds a large draught snake | 15:22 |
| fiona | http://ecotrendspotter.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/snake_draught_excluderjpg.jpg ssss | 15:22 |
| matti | Oh dear. | 15:23 |
| matti | I am so lucky. | 15:23 |
| matti | Train station is like a throw of a stone from the hotel. | 15:23 |
| matti | So is the venue. | 15:23 |
| matti | *smile8 | 15:23 |
| fiona | don't know where my hotel is in relation to everything | 15:23 |
| fiona | gonig to rely on my friends iphone | 15:23 |
| matti | LOL | 15:23 |
| matti | I wouldnt realy on iPhone ;] | 15:24 |
| matti | What if you run out of battery power? | 15:24 |
| zeth | I added the 'official' socials to the wiki page | 15:24 |
| zeth | so people can organise less official socials on the other nights | 15:24 |
| fiona | matti: monkey island has taught me that all i need is a shrunken head | 15:24 |
| fiona | so i have a backup plan | 15:24 |
| MrTopf | matti: which hotel? | 15:24 |
| matti | fiona: Right.... | 15:24 |
| matti | fiona: Especially for you I'll take my favourite t-shirt :) | 15:25 |
| MrTopf | I also looked for some tourist guide at the bookshop today but from my search results I assume that Birmingham has nothing really to show ;-) | 15:25 |
| fiona | i'll be wearing my "I beat the swordmaster" tshirt at somepoint i'm sure | 15:25 |
| matti | fiona: "9 of 10 voices if my head agree that drugs are good for you" | 15:25 |
| matti | fiona: Hahah. | 15:25 |
| fiona | haha | 15:25 |
| matti | fiona: I have "I am not a Geek. I am a 9th level Warlord" | 15:26 |
| matti | ;] | 15:26 |
| zeth | It is raining massively now | 15:26 |
| matti | Sunny in Slough | 15:26 |
| matti | :/ | 15:26 |
| zeth | so hopefully it will rain itself out | 15:26 |
| matti | MrTopf: Premier | 15:26 |
| fiona | i also like my "schei?e encoding" tshirt | 15:27 |
| matti | ;] | 15:27 |
| matti | I see you are a proper gekette. | 15:27 |
| matti | ;] | 15:27 |
| fiona | not sure if that one is appropriate though | 15:27 |
| matti | fiona: Depends on one's sense of humour tho | 15:27 |
| matti | ;] | 15:27 |
| MrTopf | fiona: haha :) | 15:28 |
| MrTopf | I would say "Schei? encoding though" | 15:28 |
| matti | Haha | 15:28 |
| MrTopf | well, move that quote a bit :-) | 15:28 |
| MrTopf | but right now I only wear my zensursula tshirt anyway.. | 15:29 |
| fiona | MrTopf: yeah it does. memory fail. | 15:29 |
| zeth | So talking of memory | 15:30 |
| zeth | I remember MrTopf of course | 15:30 |
| zeth | Have I met you before fiona ? | 15:30 |
| fiona | nope | 15:30 |
| zeth | Good, I have not forgotton who you are ;) | 15:31 |
| matti | Hahha | 15:31 |
| matti | ;] | 15:31 |
| zeth | but you are local? | 15:31 |
| fiona | how local? | 15:32 |
| fiona | i'm in manchester | 15:32 |
| zeth | as in UK | 15:32 |
| zeth | cool | 15:32 |
| fiona | yup | 15:33 |
| zeth | we can all figure out who we are at the conference ;) | 15:33 |
| matti | ;] | 15:33 |
| MrTopf | I am still for an introduction round at the opening :-) | 15:33 |
| matti | Special IRC social event? ;p | 15:33 |
| zeth | Yeah there is no escape for you matti ;) | 15:33 |
| fiona | MrTopf: scary suggestion | 15:33 |
| zeth | MrTopf: with 430 people, that might take the whole first day | 15:34 |
| MrTopf | well, just name and 3 tags | 15:34 |
| fiona | are there name tags+ | 15:34 |
| matti | zeth: Haha. | 15:34 |
| fiona | + | 15:34 |
| fiona | ? | 15:34 |
| MrTopf | nah, we had it at barcamps and that was 40 mins | 15:34 |
| MrTopf | or 30 | 15:34 |
| MrTopf | don't remember it that exactly anymore | 15:34 |
| zeth | If everyone keeps to 30 sec | 15:34 |
| matti | zeth: I am too shy I reckon. | 15:34 |
| zeth | and there are no breaks | 15:34 |
| MrTopf | from my experience at least it seemed to work | 15:35 |
| zeth | If everyone keeps to 30 sec, and there are no breaks | 15:35 |
| zeth | then it will be 3 hours 35 minws | 15:35 |
| MrTopf | and you know who is around and what they are doing and to whom you might want to talk | 15:35 |
| fiona | how about everyone introduces themselves.. at the same time... | 15:35 |
| zeth | lol | 15:36 |
| MrTopf | name and tags is 5-10 secs | 15:36 |
| zeth | that could work | 15:36 |
| matti | fiona: Introduction FLASH MOB :] | 15:36 |
| zeth | all at the same time | 15:36 |
| * matti like it. | 15:36 | |
| MrTopf | is there a list of who is actually there? | 15:36 |
| fiona | it is a bit unfair to put everyone on the spot though infront of loads of other folks | 15:36 |
| matti | Do we need to introduce ourselves? | 15:36 |
| matti | I can do "Hello. Bye!" | 15:37 |
| matti | 10 seconds. | 15:37 |
| matti | ;] | 15:37 |
| MrTopf | maybe for next year I write some social network addition for registration so you can maybe search for tags and connect beforehand or so | 15:37 |
| * matti blinks. | 15:37 | |
| zeth | Even if you did it 10 secs with no breathing or stops | 15:37 |
| zeth | it would be almost 2 hours | 15:37 |
| MrTopf | usually it was "Christian Scholz, Python, Plone, DataPortability" and next one | 15:37 |
| matti | zeth: :( | 15:37 |
| fiona | ugh i still need to install stuff on my laptop for the tutorials | 15:37 |
| fiona | cba | 15:37 |
| zeth | we have 15 mins to introduce the crew and to instroduce the rules etc | 15:38 |
| MrTopf | although not everybody said that exact phrase ;-) | 15:38 |
| zeth | after that the chaos will begin | 15:38 |
| matti | I might take my camera with me. | 15:38 |
| zeth | please do | 15:39 |
| matti | Aye | 15:39 |
| MrTopf | but nevertheless we maybe should think about some simple social network where you can check who is there, what they are working on and maybe contact people in advance so they actually meet | 15:39 |
| zeth | we normally at PyConUK at least, have a photo competition | 15:39 |
| MrTopf | don't forget to tell people the tag :-) | 15:39 |
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| zeth | MrTopf: we have a printed delegate list, a wiki, a mailing list, a facebook group, a twitter account | 15:39 |
| * fiona has no camera :( | 15:39 | |
| fiona | oh no tell a lie there's a little one on my eeepc | 15:40 |
| MrTopf | zeth: well. a printed list is not that searchable esp. regarding interests, projects | 15:40 |
| MrTopf | that's why I was thinking about a simple network where people voluntarily can list their projects | 15:41 |
| matti | MrTopf: The tag? | 15:41 |
| matti | ;] | 15:41 |
| MrTopf | how to tag photos or blog posts on e.g. flickr | 15:41 |
| matti | Oh. | 15:41 |
| matti | That interesting. | 15:41 |
| matti | Is there an EPC flickr? | 15:41 |
| MrTopf | so that the outside world also notices that there is some cool python conference happening | 15:41 |
| zeth | MrTopf: well I am suggesting that we sort out the site in future, that everyone has a user account and login which lasts between years | 15:42 |
| MrTopf | and people of course also should twitter about it using that as hashtag | 15:42 |
| matti | MrTopf: I am not very good with social portals. | 15:42 |
| matti | MrTopf: I can take photos, but ... that's about it ;] | 15:42 |
| zeth | with permanent user account database, you can have all kinds of cool apps built on it | 15:42 |
| MrTopf | zeth: I am of course not proposing to install this for this conference :-) | 15:42 |
| zeth | sure | 15:42 |
| MrTopf | but maybe we can discuss this next week | 15:42 |
| fiona | what's the average level of python ability at the conference? I'd like to think I'm pretty good, but the friend i'm talking along has never written a line of it. | 15:43 |
| zeth | Maybe you should start an open space session about it | 15:43 |
| MrTopf | matti: but uploading photos to flickr is not that complicated ;-) | 15:43 |
| zeth | fiona: mix from novies to core developers | 15:43 |
| MrTopf | zeth: yep, I was thinking about it | 15:43 |
| matti | MrTopf: I dont have flickr account ;] | 15:43 |
| fiona | zeth: what's the ratio? or couldn't you even hazard a guess? | 15:43 |
| matti | MrTopf: I am not very people-person ;p | 15:44 |
| MrTopf | matti: also signing up is not that complicated ;-) | 15:44 |
| matti | Dammit ;P | 15:44 |
| matti | I cant invent any excuse :P | 15:44 |
| matti | MrTopf++ | 15:44 |
| MrTopf | I think it's actually cool to also show photos you shoot :-) | 15:44 |
| matti | Hehe | 15:45 |
| matti | :P | 15:45 |
| fiona | does flickr support openid? | 15:45 |
| matti | Oh. | 15:45 |
| fiona | i haven't signed up for it either | 15:45 |
| MrTopf | it would also be great to get a homepage slot on slideshare but that would mean that people also upload their slides there | 15:45 |
| matti | That would make this so much easier. | 15:45 |
| MrTopf | unfortunately yahoo (flickrs parent) is only an openid provider at the moment but no consumer | 15:45 |
| fiona | MrTopf: that seems so backasswards | 15:45 |
| MrTopf | and I agree, it would make things definitely easier | 15:45 |
| MrTopf | that's why we fight for such things in the DataPortability Project :-) | 15:46 |
| MrTopf | but even facebook seems to move so maybe yahoo will do that as well (although fb in a strange fashion) | 15:46 |
| MrTopf | and right now I would assume that more effort is done in keeping yahoo alive than to add new features | 15:46 |
| fiona | gonna go get a sandwich | 15:49 |
| fiona | late lunch | 15:49 |
| MrTopf | enjoy | 15:51 |
| zeth | fiona: I could probably guess at the ratio | 15:56 |
| zeth | This splits into two groups | 15:56 |
| zeth | The Europeans are travelling by air to get here | 15:56 |
| zeth | so this weeds out some novices | 15:56 |
| zeth | you have to be quite committed to get on a plane | 15:56 |
| zeth | so as a group the average european are more hardcore than the average brit | 15:57 |
| zeth | but the brits have hardcore and novices | 15:57 |
| zeth | I have the stats somewhere | 15:57 |
| zeth | I don't have time to dig them out | 15:57 |
| zeth | we do a questionaire on the last day of both europython and pyconuks | 15:58 |
| MrTopf | maybe another thing to store in some database for the future | 15:58 |
| zeth | so somewhere will be quite exact stats on what previous abilities there were | 15:58 |
| zeth | from the top of my head, I would say a good mix | 15:58 |
| MrTopf | and we could check how many people will move their rating up after the conference/tutorials ;-) | 15:59 |
| zeth | though naturally in person most people want to seem 'at their most expert' | 15:59 |
| zeth | because of subconsious group sociology | 15:59 |
| zeth | except for the crew which seem at their most tired and shellshocked ;) | 16:00 |
| fiona | hehe | 16:02 |
| fiona | makes sense | 16:02 |
| fiona | thanks for the answer anyway | 16:02 |
| MrTopf | I am at least a novice at Python 3 ;-) | 16:03 |
| matti | Do I need to send my GPG key and fingerprint to somebody? | 16:04 |
| MrTopf | maybe send me your private key and your password, that should be sufficient | 16:05 |
| matti | Sure. | 16:06 |
| matti | ;] | 16:06 |
| matti | My CC details as well? | 16:06 |
| matti | ;p | 16:06 |
| MrTopf | possibly | 16:06 |
| matti | Anything else Sir? ;p | 16:06 |
| MrTopf | no, I think that's it, thank you very much, Sir | 16:06 |
| MrTopf | otoh coffee would be good | 16:07 |
| matti | Sure thing. | 16:07 |
| matti | ;p | 16:07 |
| matti | A relaxing massage as well? | 16:07 |
| matti | ;p | 16:07 |
| fiona | massages? europy is sounding better and better | 16:08 |
| matti | LOL | 16:08 |
| matti | ;] | 16:08 |
| MrTopf | indeed :) | 16:09 |
| MrTopf | well, massages have been already a vital part of europython's before | 16:09 |
| MrTopf | usually during conference dinners | 16:10 |
| fiona | sounds good, i'm in | 16:11 |
| matti | Emm... | 16:12 |
| matti | Dont get any ideas folks ;p | 16:12 |
| matti | Few years ago back in Poland during one of the FOSS conferences. | 16:12 |
| matti | Somebody found out hot sauna near by. | 16:13 |
| matti | And half of the atendees were gone ;p | 16:13 |
| matti | I wonder. | 16:15 |
| fiona | typical polish | 16:15 |
| fiona | i had a very good polish friend before he left to ga back home a year or so ago | 16:16 |
| fiona | he'd have gone to the sauna too | 16:16 |
| fiona | so would his sister | 16:16 |
| matti | There is nothing wrong with sauna tho. | 16:16 |
| matti | Healthy. | 16:16 |
| fiona | and they are the source of my complete knowledge of polish people | 16:16 |
| fiona | he was pretty great with css too | 16:16 |
| matti | Hehe. | 16:16 |
| matti | I am self-proclaimed Welsh. | 16:17 |
| matti | ;p | 16:17 |
| matti | Fortunately. | 16:17 |
| matti | I wonder. | 16:17 |
| fiona | I'm british. Born in nottinghamshire. brought up in cyprus and germany and lincolnshire. | 16:17 |
| fiona | i'm not sure what i'm self-proclaimed as | 16:17 |
| fiona | "geek" tends to work =/ | 16:18 |
| matti | Well. | 16:18 |
| matti | :) | 16:18 |
| matti | That indeed suits you well. | 16:18 |
| fiona | i'll live with it | 16:19 |
| matti | I am Polish - believe or not. But a lot of people on #ubuntu-uk thought that I am Welsh. | 16:19 |
| matti | For some reason... | 16:19 |
| matti | Anyway. | 16:19 |
| fiona | that's funny for some reason | 16:20 |
| matti | What is going on with the Premier Inn and the number of beds in the room? | 16:20 |
| matti | fiona: How so? | 16:20 |
| matti | ;] | 16:20 |
| fiona | if i knew it wouldn't be "some reason" | 16:20 |
| matti | It was never clear to me, why... | 16:21 |
| matti | An extant mystery I'd say. | 16:21 |
| matti | At least for me. | 16:21 |
| matti | ;] | 16:21 |
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| matti | ambv: /o | 16:22 |
| matti | Ops. | 16:22 |
| matti | ambv: o/ | 16:22 |
| matti | ;] | 16:22 |
| ambv | matti: \m/ | 16:22 |
| ambv | :D | 16:22 |
| matti | :) | 16:23 |
| fiona | run! we're being emoted!! | 16:24 |
| fiona | i think i'm staying at one of the holiday inns | 16:25 |
| fiona | luckily i'm not dealing with it | 16:25 |
| matti | Well. | 16:26 |
| matti | I am about to find out on Saturday ;] | 16:26 |
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| matti | Haha | 16:30 |
| matti | Bruce Eckel's talk r0x | 16:30 |
| matti | ;] | 16:30 |
| fiona | What is it abount | 16:31 |
| matti | His Keynote. | 16:31 |
| matti | Funny. | 16:31 |
| matti | Some slides hard to read. | 16:31 |
| matti | Dark letters on the dark background?! | 16:31 |
| matti | ;D | 16:31 |
| zeth | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 16:31 |
| zeth | thankyou | 16:32 |
| matti | ? | 16:32 |
| matti | zeth: What was that about? | 16:32 |
| zeth | Massive suge in late bookings | 16:32 |
| zeth | Massive surge in late bookings | 16:32 |
| matti | Uh :< | 16:32 |
| zeth | and we have filled all the hotels | 16:33 |
| fiona | oh dear | 16:33 |
| zeth | and I have been repeating the wrong info on the list | 16:33 |
| zeth | We can sort it out | 16:33 |
| * fiona hugs zeth | 16:33 | |
| matti | I want a hug too. | 16:33 |
| zeth | One hotel told us to continue taking bookings no problem, except they were full | 16:33 |
| matti | ;p | 16:33 |
| zeth | hugpython 2009 ;) | 16:34 |
| matti | ;D | 16:34 |
| zeth | I'm cool | 16:34 |
| zeth | I have a place | 16:34 |
| matti | zeth: The Force is strong with you! | 16:34 |
| zeth | in my own bed | 16:34 |
| zeth | ;) | 16:34 |
| zeth | well on the bright side | 16:35 |
| fiona | are you going to offer people without anywhere to stay the bottom half of your bed? | 16:35 |
| zeth | this might be the first conference in the history of Python not to lose a pile of money. | 16:35 |
| zeth | that would be | 16:35 |
| zeth | yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh | 16:35 |
| fiona | are you going to give some back to the "community"? | 16:35 |
| matti | fiona: No. | 16:35 |
| fiona | as in.. put a fiver in each schwag bag | 16:35 |
| fiona | ;) | 16:36 |
| zeth | I am the community, so we have it already | 16:36 |
| zeth | ;) | 16:36 |
| fiona | haha | 16:36 |
| matti | fiona: Surplus money are to be allocated for mental treatment of the organisers. | 16:36 |
| zeth | put on your best Stallone voice to read that "I am the community" | 16:36 |
| zeth | matti: lol! | 16:36 |
| fiona | community is a bit of a big word for stallone.. it doesn't work | 16:36 |
| matti | Oh. | 16:37 |
| matti | fiona | 16:37 |
| matti | Have a faith in people ;p | 16:37 |
| fiona | just the one? | 16:37 |
| matti | One is a good start. | 16:37 |
| matti | ;d | 16:37 |
| zeth | well the hotel had another hotel in another part of town | 16:37 |
| zeth | 2 miles away, in the red light district, which is not ideal | 16:38 |
| zeth | it was going to just put people in there | 16:38 |
| fiona | no way that's perfectly ideal | 16:38 |
| fiona | i'll go there | 16:38 |
| zeth | lol | 16:38 |
| zeth | I used to live there for three years actually | 16:39 |
| fiona | i'll probably find a completely different python conference | 16:39 |
| zeth | when I first moved here I did not know the areas | 16:39 |
| zeth | fiona: lol! | 16:39 |
| matti | fiona: Hahaha | 16:39 |
| zeth | fantastic | 16:39 |
| MrTopf | a LaTeX conference ;-) | 16:39 |
| fiona | hehe | 16:39 |
| zeth | hahahah! | 16:39 |
| matti | Oh dear ;p | 16:39 |
| zeth | the rent was cheap | 16:41 |
| zeth | and had fanastic bus service | 16:41 |
| matti | Heheh | 16:41 |
| zeth | but having 'night walkers' come up to you, or having cars stop and shout at women "are you in business" was not ideal | 16:42 |
| fiona | I'd reply, "Yeah, we talking hardware or software?" | 16:43 |
| fiona | lol i am a terrible person | 16:46 |
| zeth | lol | 16:51 |
| zeth | you would be great there | 16:51 |
| zeth | they are going to redevelop it | 16:51 |
| zeth | and then the house prices will boom | 16:51 |
| zeth | but the remaining people there need a hard skin until then | 16:51 |
| zeth | they will send the metro down the middle of it | 16:52 |
| fiona | sounds redevelopmentastic | 16:53 |
| zeth | it is only a mile or two out of centre | 16:56 |
| zeth | problem with the area is that it was originally posh area in 1800s | 16:56 |
| zeth | so the houses are all oversized | 16:56 |
| zeth | so they deteriorated into bedsits | 16:56 |
| fiona | we recently moved | 16:57 |
| zeth | not many people have enough kids these days to warrant a ten bedroom house | 16:57 |
| fiona | from a one bedroom flat to a two bedroom house | 16:57 |
| fiona | and now i want a three bedroom house | 16:57 |
| zeth | oh right | 16:58 |
| fiona | ten beds? | 16:58 |
| fiona | that's the kind of shit students would pile in to | 16:58 |
| zeth | why to fit stuff in, or have you been instantiating? | 16:58 |
| zeth | well that is not so much the student area | 16:58 |
| zeth | but that is why I went there originally | 16:58 |
| zeth | the house we were was beautiful victorian house with six beds | 16:59 |
| zeth | they auctioned it after we moved out for some terribly cheap price | 16:59 |
| zeth | I maybe should have bought it ; | 16:59 |
| zeth | ) | 16:59 |
| zeth | I am about to exchange on a rundown two-bed in posh area | 17:00 |
| zeth | what is manchester house prices like now? | 17:00 |
| fiona | i dunno really | 17:00 |
| fiona | i rent | 17:00 |
| fiona | did have a gander at house prices but they were miles out of our range | 17:01 |
| fiona | and it was to fit stuff in! | 17:01 |
| fiona | basically i bought a very large synthesizer which ended up taking up a large portion of our living room | 17:01 |
| fiona | so we decided that we(i) had outgrown the flat | 17:02 |
| fiona | 2nd bedroom in the house in my "music room" | 17:02 |
| fiona | my mum says it's her room | 17:02 |
| zeth | how many people are you? | 17:02 |
| fiona | my best friend says it's her room | 17:02 |
| fiona | 2 | 17:02 |
| fiona | me and boyfriend | 17:02 |
| zeth | yeah stuff files the space available | 17:02 |
| zeth | yeah stuff fills the space available | 17:02 |
| zeth | this will be remembered as the age of cheap chinese crap | 17:03 |
| zeth | future generations will be able to dig and find the chinese crap layer in the ground | 17:03 |
| fiona | I'm going for a chinese meal tonight | 17:04 |
| fiona | which means i will probably end up producing more chinese crap later on | 17:04 |
| zeth | lol ;) | 17:04 |
| zeth | hilarious | 17:04 |
| * SafPlusPlus snickers | 17:04 | |
| zeth | I love word jokes | 17:04 |
| zeth | I currently rent two bed | 17:05 |
| zeth | the new house will be first time I own a house | 17:05 |
| zeth | and I will be completely broke afterwards | 17:05 |
| zeth | without the recession etc, I would not been able to afford anything | 17:05 |
| zeth | now the house price is cheap, but to get a decent mortgage one needs to put down over 25% | 17:06 |
| zeth | which is a lot of money to find down the sofa | 17:06 |
| fiona | yes indeed that was our issue | 17:06 |
| zeth | even the cheap made in china crapped on sofa | 17:06 |
| fiona | no one would be willing to lend it to us | 17:06 |
| fiona | as that's how they got into this mess in the first place | 17:07 |
| zeth | the first-time buyer is damned in every situation | 17:07 |
| zeth | At least with 25% deposit, it is quicker to pay off I supoose | 17:08 |
| zeth | suppose | 17:08 |
| fiona | you'll probably never pay it off, not till you sell the house, some of the precedings will go into it | 17:08 |
| fiona | that's usually how it works anyway | 17:08 |
| zeth | well | 17:10 |
| zeth | apparently the average family income is £32,779 before tax. | 17:11 |
| zeth | I have never earned anything close to that in Birmingham | 17:11 |
| fiona | any idea if this wellington pub sells things less.. beery? i tend to drink things that are vodka based. | 17:11 |
| zeth | but I may do | 17:11 |
| zeth | fiona: I have been there, I think so | 17:11 |
| fiona | that per-year? | 17:11 |
| zeth | but I can't remember since I only drank beer | 17:12 |
| zeth | apparently the average family income is £32,779 before tax per year. | 17:12 |
| fiona | i think we're earning just around that before tax | 17:12 |
| fiona | maybe a little bit over | 17:12 |
| zeth | but I am only a year into working full time, and my woman does not earn now | 17:12 |
| fiona | but we're a couple of developers which i guess is bit more than average job by definition | 17:12 |
| zeth | in a few years I might hopefully | 17:12 |
| zeth | (I did three degrees so did not start earning full time until last year) | 17:13 |
| zeth | anyhow, if we bring home that level of income | 17:13 |
| zeth | then I hope to pay off the mortgage quicker | 17:13 |
| fiona | you'd be surprised how quickly money disappears | 17:13 |
| zeth | since the quicker you pay it off, the less interest you pay over the term | 17:13 |
| fiona | everytime i get a raise i feel like i don't see it | 17:14 |
| zeth | well that is self-discipline I suppose | 17:14 |
| fiona | the more i conciously don't spend the more i seem to spend it seems | 17:14 |
| zeth | between 2002-4, my woman and I lived on 6000 per year together | 17:14 |
| fiona | frig that | 17:14 |
| zeth | now I earn mid 20s per rata | 17:15 |
| zeth | if things go well, next year I be just below 30s per rata | 17:15 |
| zeth | we still spend very little | 17:15 |
| zeth | so that is how we got to buying house | 17:15 |
| zeth | I want to pay it off well before I am 40 | 17:16 |
| fiona | :) | 17:16 |
| fiona | how old are you now? | 17:16 |
| zeth | 29 | 17:16 |
| fiona | tick-tock tick-tock | 17:16 |
| zeth | I came from poor family, so I want any future instances to have better chance | 17:16 |
| zeth | so I need to pay off house if I am going to send any future instances to harvard ;) | 17:17 |
| fiona | i don't essentially come from a poor family as such. but when my parents split up and i ended up living with my mum we became poor. | 17:17 |
| fiona | harvard!? | 17:17 |
| fiona | i presume you mean oxford or cambridge | 17:17 |
| zeth | Well my dad hving three divorces led to the poverty | 17:17 |
| zeth | some people should be neutured ;) | 17:17 |
| fiona | what number month is june | 17:17 |
| zeth | 6 for non-mathematians | 17:18 |
| zeth | 5 in real workd | 17:18 |
| zeth | in code world | 17:18 |
| fiona | my phone only understands non mathematician | 17:18 |
| fiona | i like how code-world is real-world | 17:21 |
| fiona | i know how you feel | 17:21 |
| fiona | i pointing to a piece of text on a piece of paper other day and said "just copy that string" | 17:22 |
| zeth | yeah I know | 17:34 |
| zeth | Trying to press Ctrl+F on paper books | 17:34 |
| fiona | looking at walls and instinctively thinking "The bumpmapping on that wall is pretty crap." | 17:35 |
| fiona | both true stories | 17:35 |
| SafPlusPlus | That sounds terribly familiar... :) | 17:40 |
| zeth | I wish my family had a Python API | 17:41 |
| SafPlusPlus | I feel that the ability to monkey patch your family is like cheating... :P | 17:41 |
| matti | zeth: json-rpc ;p | 17:42 |
| zeth | or catch them as an event and spawn a deferred object | 17:42 |
| matti | ;] | 17:42 |
| zeth | mother = Parent() | 17:43 |
| matti | We can have multiple inherictance :P | 17:43 |
| zeth | mother.send_her_card() | 17:43 |
| zeth | delete(mother) | 17:43 |
| matti | Cruel :< | 17:43 |
| fiona | funny i have a game library that keeps members for references to fathers, sons and brothers | 17:43 |
| zeth | ;) in XML you also have parent elements, child elements | 17:44 |
| zeth | siblings etc | 17:44 |
| fiona | yeah but we don't talk about xml | 17:44 |
| matti | Yay. | 17:44 |
| fiona | "here be monsters" | 17:44 |
| matti | Geeks are scary. | 17:44 |
| matti | Its like... | 17:45 |
| matti | "Clean your room or I will replace you with small bash script" | 17:45 |
| matti | ;] | 17:45 |
| fiona | if you had a roomba you could so do that | 17:45 |
| zeth | well I talk about XML http://www.europython.eu/talks/talk_abstracts/index.html#talk92 | 17:48 |
| zeth | ;) | 17:48 |
| zeth | but it is nice object-oriented interface so that you don't have to like XML | 17:49 |
| zeth | So I think we are about to go over the next tipping point | 17:49 |
| zeth | We have exactly double last year's attendence | 17:50 |
| fiona | might have to find another venue | 17:50 |
| zeth | we be alright | 17:50 |
| fiona | i have contacts at the manchester men arena | 17:50 |
| fiona | haha | 17:50 |
| zeth | we were going to have an event in mancester | 17:50 |
| zeth | but the person was was organising got too busy | 17:50 |
| zeth | I here the 02 in London is free | 17:51 |
| zeth | I hear the 02 in London is free | 17:51 |
| zeth | (bad joke) | 17:51 |
| fiona | do you never put your surname to anything? | 17:51 |
| zeth | I try not to | 17:51 |
| fiona | who was organising the manchester one? | 17:51 |
| zeth | My lawyer made me put it on my house deads | 17:51 |
| fiona | i have considered starting a python user group | 17:51 |
| zeth | cool | 17:53 |
| zeth | I started PyWM | 17:53 |
| zeth | and would love a local group up there | 17:53 |
| zeth | This website is a bit neglected (by me( | 17:53 |
| zeth | ) | 17:53 |
| zeth | http://python.me.uk/ | 17:53 |
| fiona | haha so i see | 17:54 |
| zeth | but we want someone to start northern groups | 17:54 |
| fiona | me too | 17:54 |
| matti | Where would be Slough? | 17:54 |
| matti | London? | 17:54 |
| matti | South East? | 17:54 |
| fiona | am i still here | 18:02 |
| matti | :) | 18:03 |
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| fiona | ffffff | 18:15 |
| fiona | my neck hurts | 18:15 |
| fiona | stupid emacs stop giving me rsi | 18:15 |
| fiona | it's great, i can blame emacs for everything great and wrong with my life | 18:16 |
| zeth | "me too" means fiona is elected chairperson of Python North West | 18:26 |
| zeth | ;) | 18:26 |
| zeth | I use emacs | 18:27 |
| zeth | it is my dodgy typing that annoys my wrists | 18:27 |
| zeth | and doing work from bed | 18:27 |
| fiona | i have a shit chair at work | 18:28 |
| fiona | i have a frikken awesome chair at home | 18:28 |
| fiona | i want to work from home | 18:28 |
| fiona | half an hour till no work work | 18:57 |
| fiona | no more work* | 18:57 |
| fiona | really burned out today | 18:57 |
| zeth | I know how you feel | 19:03 |
| zeth | ]/win 10 | 19:03 |
| fiona | I'm off. See you tomorrow or Sunday. | 19:15 |
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| fuzzyman | zeth: is python.me.uk you? | 20:49 |
| fuzzyman | very nice anywya | 20:49 |
| fuzzyman | *anyway | 20:49 |
| zeth | yeah | 20:52 |
| zeth | it was more a few days ago | 20:52 |
| zeth | it was a few years ago | 20:52 |
| zeth | I made it during PyConUK 2007 | 20:53 |
| zeth | The idea was that I would get someone to front each group | 20:54 |
| zeth | and give them all a login | 20:54 |
| zeth | I did most of the technical stuff | 20:54 |
| zeth | but then never got any further to due general business | 20:54 |
| zeth | Obviously I would make a site today that looks better | 20:54 |
| fuzzyman | Looks good to me | 21:05 |
| fuzzyman | you should publicise it | 21:05 |
| fuzzyman | how many more folk have we had register in the last few days? | 21:05 |
| zeth | quite a lot | 21:06 |
| zeth | the hotel is full, so looks like you are in the etap | 21:06 |
| fuzzyman | I think the publicity on BoingBoing got us quite a few of those. | 21:06 |
| fuzzyman | I know :-( | 21:06 |
| zeth | I think when we get the final figure it might be double last year's | 21:07 |
| fuzzyman | great | 21:07 |
| zeth | If this number keeps up next year, we will be able to book the town hall, which is really beautiful | 21:07 |
| fuzzyman | PyCon US got caught out by that | 21:09 |
| fuzzyman | they book a bigger venue for 2009 based on 2008 visitor numbers | 21:09 |
| fuzzyman | cost them quite a lot | 21:09 |
| fuzzyman | don't we have to make a decision about venue well before we start taking registrations? | 21:10 |
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| zeth | Well I think the last minute registrations are because people are disorganised | 21:19 |
| zeth | I take your point | 21:20 |
| zeth | and it more expensive per head, the more heads we have | 21:21 |
| zeth | which is counter-intitutive | 21:21 |
| zeth | and the organisational overhead increases more per head | 21:21 |
| zeth | Ideally we would just open bookings for 2 days, and then build the conference based on that. | 21:21 |
| zeth | But we would be unpopular | 21:21 |
| zeth | having this fantastic conference that no one can go to | 21:22 |
| fuzzyman | no-one? | 21:22 |
| fuzzyman | hyperbole much... :-) | 21:22 |
| zeth | well the x people that booked in the time period | 21:22 |
| fuzzyman | we need to work out the financial risk | 21:22 |
| zeth | well maybe we should try to do an event that way | 21:22 |
| fuzzyman | oh | 21:23 |
| zeth | open bookings, close them, and then we can price all the things | 21:23 |
| fuzzyman | I see | 21:23 |
| fuzzyman | if we just had booking open for two days | 21:23 |
| fuzzyman | ha | 21:23 |
| zeth | if you opened bookings and closed them, it would be great organisationally | 21:23 |
| zeth | and you would have a fixed budget | 21:23 |
| zeth | and you don't have to scale anything up or down | 21:23 |
| zeth | that is where the problems come, hacking the last minute problems | 21:23 |
| zeth | if we could guarenteee that we had 450 people, we would have done things differently | 21:24 |
| zeth | the current setup works ok for 100-500 | 21:24 |
| zeth | but if you know the number six months in advance you could be really efficient | 21:25 |
| zeth | do a lot more with the money | 21:25 |
| zeth | Bit sci-fi maybe | 21:25 |
| zeth | I organised a conference in London once | 21:25 |
| zeth | that had so different figures | 21:25 |
| zeth | that it had to be more like that | 21:25 |
| fuzzyman | we couldn't even consider that for EuroPython | 21:26 |
| zeth | because the costs were huge per head | 21:26 |
| fuzzyman | nice thought it would be | 21:26 |
| zeth | what london or closing bookings? | 21:26 |
| zeth | Yep I agree | 21:26 |
| fuzzyman | closed bookings | 21:26 |
| zeth | we could not do either | 21:26 |
| zeth | yep | 21:26 |
| zeth | To do this conference in similar way in London would be double the price | 21:27 |
| zeth | but you would get different delegates maybe | 21:27 |
| zeth | so maybe would do it in a different way | 21:27 |
| zeth | more modular | 21:27 |
| zeth | people only pay for the day they are there type thing | 21:28 |
| zeth | less speakers | 21:28 |
| zeth | have 20 speakers on rotation ;) | 21:28 |
| zeth | But that is no fun | 21:28 |
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| fuzzyman | 20 speakers on rotation?? | 21:29 |
| fuzzyman | odd | 21:29 |
| fuzzyman | being able to pay for individual days would be good - and quite normal for tech conference | 21:29 |
| moreati | Anybody have a couple of minutes and a webcam that works with Skype? | 21:30 |
| fuzzyman | maybe | 21:30 |
| fuzzyman | not tried my webcam with skype but should work | 21:30 |
| fuzzyman | have to prop it up to point it in the right directio | 21:30 |
| fuzzyman | *direction | 21:30 |
| fuzzyman | don't use my webcam much | 21:30 |
| fuzzyman | Zeth might be a better bet | 21:31 |
| zeth | I have a webcam | 21:31 |
| fuzzyman | ah | 21:31 |
| zeth | But have not done my hair ;) | 21:31 |
| fuzzyman | but Zeth uses Linux | 21:31 |
| moreati | zeth: what's you skype name? | 21:31 |
| fuzzyman | ;-) | 21:31 |
| zeth | zeth followed by my last name | 21:31 |
| fuzzyman | good luck with the drivers | 21:31 |
| zeth | hould change it | 21:31 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: Skype make their own Linux client | 21:31 |
| fuzzyman | hehe | 21:31 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: just burn twitter to CD ;) | 21:32 |
| fuzzyman | actually my webcam doesn't have a Mac driver provided by the manufacturer | 21:32 |
| fuzzyman | but their is an open source one that works | 21:32 |
| zeth | I have macbook pro running Ubuntu | 21:32 |
| fuzzyman | heh | 21:32 |
| fuzzyman | nice hardware | 21:32 |
| zeth | I couldn't see you or hear you | 21:35 |
| moreati | yes | 21:35 |
| moreati | hang on | 21:36 |
| moreati | yes i can hear you | 21:37 |
| zeth | I can't hear you | 21:37 |
| zeth | but I can see you | 21:37 |
| zeth | I cannot hear you | 21:38 |
| zeth | I could for a sec, but you went | 21:38 |
| zeth | I try the test to be sure | 21:38 |
| zeth | I do the skype call test, but I am pretty sure it is not my computer | 21:39 |
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| zeth | cool | 21:40 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: macbook pro is okay | 21:40 |
| zeth | but wifi card in it is weak | 21:40 |
| zeth | much weaker than my thinkpad | 21:41 |
| zeth | I like the metal though | 21:41 |
| fuzzyman | fair enough | 21:41 |
| moreati | did test call, could hear but bearly. Time to pop down the shops and get a microphone. | 21:41 |
| fuzzyman | I had a thinkpad briefly | 21:41 |
| fuzzyman | it was old - but very nice bit of kit | 21:41 |
| zeth | hopefully I get a new one if we get research grants for 2009 | 21:41 |
| fuzzyman | not as good looking as the Mac - but nice | 21:41 |
| zeth | well macs are a bit flakey | 21:44 |
| zeth | if we get over the manufactoring defects | 21:44 |
| zeth | or get a good one | 21:44 |
| zeth | then the higher end ones are good | 21:44 |
| zeth | they go on and on after that | 21:44 |
| fuzzyman | well I have quite a good one I guess - so not found any manufacturing defects or flakiness | 21:45 |
| fuzzyman | although my wife has a standard Macbook - plastic shell | 21:45 |
| fuzzyman | that seems very nice as well | 21:45 |
| fuzzyman | although I guess the wireless could be better :-) | 21:45 |
| zeth | at uni they buy them in units of 20 | 21:47 |
| zeth | and there are always duds | 21:48 |
| fuzzyman | my guess is that if you bought thinkpads in batches of 20 you'd have duds too | 21:48 |
| zeth | possibly | 21:50 |
| zeth | university buys sony vaios in batches of 500 | 21:50 |
| zeth | no idea what the failure rate is | 21:50 |
| zeth | there are only a handful of laptop factories in the world | 21:50 |
| zeth | macbooks are made by ASUS | 21:51 |
| zeth | I think lenovo do make their own though | 21:51 |
| zeth | though I could be wrong | 21:51 |
| zeth | it uses all the old IBM plants | 21:52 |
| zeth | I am trying to buy locally at the moment | 21:54 |
| zeth | so maybe I should look into an ARM machine | 21:54 |
| zeth | since that is probably as local as you can get | 21:55 |
| zeth | something at least | 21:55 |
| moreati | bugger, this mic I bought has a 2.5mm jack | 21:59 |
| * moreati ponders some soldering | 21:59 | |
| zeth | I think I might have a big jack to small jack | 22:04 |
| zeth | or it might be the other way around | 22:04 |
| moreati | welll that make no sense, the mic has 4 conductors | 22:09 |
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| ThomasWaldmann | moin :) | 22:14 |
| fuzzyman | http://neopythonic.blogspot.com/2009/06/ironpython-in-action-and-decline-of.html | 22:17 |
| fuzzyman | Guido reviews IronPython in Action | 22:17 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: "what guido said" /hide | 22:45 |
| fuzzyman | aa_: heh | 22:46 |
| fuzzyman | is Windows Forms that much worse than GTK? | 22:46 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: gtk's one merit is its API | 22:46 |
| fuzzyman | I've used other GUI libraries and they were just as annoying | 22:46 |
| fuzzyman | right | 22:46 |
| fuzzyman | fair enough | 22:46 |
| aa_ | it is genuinely a pleasure | 22:46 |
| aa_ | it's f*ing broken on most levels when you look at it, so can't claim its perfect | 22:47 |
| aa_ | but API, they got it | 22:47 |
| moreati | I thought gtk was the API whipping boy, Qt was the creme. | 22:47 |
| ronny | sup | 22:47 |
| aa_ | moreati: Qt is la creme de la turd of an API | 22:47 |
| aa_ | hey ronny | 22:47 |
| aa_ | and in the very near future all gtk bindings will be introspected live | 22:48 |
| aa_ | how sick is that :) | 22:48 |
| moreati | fuzzyman: does windows forms use absolute position, a la VB 6, or is more like GTK/Qt's springs and resizing containers? | 22:48 |
| aa_ | people already writing gtk apps in javascript | 22:48 |
| fuzzyman | you can do it either way | 22:48 |
| fuzzyman | you don't have to use absolute positioning | 22:49 |
| fuzzyman | so I thought that comment was a bit odd | 22:49 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: in general your sentiment is correct though, windows forms isn't generally better or worse than anything else (imo) | 22:49 |
| fuzzyman | right | 22:49 |
| aa_ | the real gtk nerds always find me at conferences anyway, I love it | 22:50 |
| aa_ | "having trouble left-padding some blah blah" | 22:50 |
| zeth | "Seeing a book like IronPython in Action, by Michael Foord and Christian Muirhead, is another milestone for IronPython. This is a solid work in every aspect, and something nobody using IronPython on .NET should be without. The book is chock full of useful information, presented along with a series of running examples, and covers almost every aspect of IronPython use imaginable." | 22:50 |
| zeth | That is the bit you put on the cover | 22:51 |
| fuzzyman | it's a bit late to put things on the cover... | 22:51 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 22:51 |
| zeth | on the website then | 22:51 |
| aa_ | I would go for "It's no wonder that users are switching to the web as the platform for everything that used to live on the desktop -- with all its flaws (which I will discuss another time), web development still feels like a breeze compared to Windows development." | 22:51 |
| zeth | Or in the second edition | 22:51 |
| zeth | "Praise for the first edition" .... "Guido Van Rossum, creator of Python" | 22:52 |
| fuzzyman | hehe | 22:54 |
| fuzzyman | yeah - it's certainly nice praise for the book | 22:54 |
| fuzzyman | I quite like the review - it's fun to read | 22:54 |
| ronny | aa_: i just arrived in bochum, now i need to figure how to get to the airport tomorow morning | 22:56 |
| zeth | Well I personally use the web as the platform for everything | 23:01 |
| ThomasWaldmann | btw, will there be some water provided at the conference / sprints? | 23:04 |
| * ThomasWaldmann remembers that slightly scarce water supply in vilnius | 23:05 | |
| zeth | get yourself a flask | 23:15 |
| zeth | or an army style water bottle | 23:15 |
| zeth | last UK conference we spent 3000 or something stupid on mineral water | 23:15 |
| zeth | I hope this time they put out jugs of normal water | 23:15 |
| zeth | ThomasWaldmann: everything wqas a bit scarce in vilnius | 23:16 |
| zeth | ThomasWaldmann: everything was a bit scarce in vilnius | 23:16 |
| moreati | but whatever you do, don't drink the Birmingham water from the taps if it comes out with a burnt umber colour | 23:16 |
| zeth | ? | 23:16 |
| zeth | Water from Bham is far better than where I come from | 23:16 |
| zeth | Bham water is taken in an aquaduct from wales | 23:17 |
| moreati | water from birmingham comes from Wales | 23:17 |
| zeth | what is the burnt umber? | 23:18 |
| ThomasWaldmann | zeth: yeah, but my builtin water reserve depletes faster than the other reserves :D | 23:18 |
| moreati | I haven't seen any, but it probably wouldn't be good for you | 23:19 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: I don't find HTML / CSS / Javascript less annoying than any UI toolkit. | 23:19 |
| fuzzyman | Quite the opposite... | 23:19 |
| moreati | http://b3ta.com/board/9546649 | 23:21 |
| zeth | well django | 23:23 |
| zeth | is not so pythonic as we know it | 23:23 |
| zeth | but once you get used to it | 23:23 |
| zeth | then things become easy | 23:23 |
| zeth | and you don't have to package a website | 23:23 |
| zeth | or get it to work on people's systems | 23:23 |
| fuzzyman | right - but packaging / deployment issues is very different from saying GUI programming sucks | 23:28 |
| fuzzyman | and at least when GUI programming you only target one front end - instead of 6 different browsers... | 23:28 |
| moreati | cross browser compatibility is the web equivalent of deploye | 23:28 |
| moreati | deployment issues | 23:28 |
| fuzzyman | yeah - so not much better | 23:29 |
| fuzzyman | IMHO | 23:29 |
| fuzzyman | or IMNSHO | 23:29 |
| aa_ | ronny: wher eis bochum? | 23:34 |
| zeth | well it depends how simple your app is | 23:35 |
| zeth | the majority of applications are very simple | 23:35 |
| zeth | that is why Windows beats Linux | 23:35 |
| zeth | because you can knock out a visual basic app | 23:35 |
| zeth | just by dragging and dropping a few forms | 23:36 |
| aa_ | zeth: you can do that too with most gui frameworks | 23:36 |
| aa_ | (but you have to know what you are doing I guess) | 23:37 |
| zeth | yep and I don't | 23:37 |
| zeth | maybe I sit in on your tutorial ;) | 23:37 |
| aa_ | zeth: good idea, if you are suffering from insomnia | 23:37 |
| zeth | don't be so modest | 23:37 |
| zeth | I have not even had time to think about tutorials yet | 23:37 |
| zeth | the last couple of years I made one tutorial | 23:38 |
| zeth | since I was organising | 23:38 |
| zeth | but the good thing about the tutorials is that we have the world setup and mostly done before the rest of the horde arrive | 23:38 |
| zeth | This time I try to do better | 23:38 |
| zeth | I quite like the idea of the Pyjamas | 23:39 |
| zeth | but that is a bit overfull already | 23:39 |
| zeth | and Pyjamas is all day | 23:39 |
| zeth | and I want to go to code clinic | 23:40 |
| zeth | David Jones is always fun on a stick | 23:40 |
| zeth | a conservatively dressed stick with glasses | 23:40 |
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