| zeth | matti: Are you on the europython-talks mailing list? | 00:27 |
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| zeth | lots of talks have come through that today | 00:27 |
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| matti | No. | 00:43 |
| matti | I only have visibility of what people sent to me. | 00:44 |
| matti | Plus the Wiki | 00:44 |
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| zeth | well about 20 or more were sent via that mailing list | 01:05 |
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| matti | Grab them, compress and send to me. | 01:18 |
| matti | Please. | 01:18 |
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| MrTopf | is anybody around already on saturday evening? | 18:14 |
| MrTopf | will arrive at 1700 at the airport | 18:14 |
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| fuzzyman | lac: ping | 19:07 |
| lac | hi fuzzyman, what is up | 19:08 |
| fuzzyman | Hey | 19:08 |
| fuzzyman | just checking Frank Wierbecki's availability for the Python VM panel | 19:09 |
| fuzzyman | so uhm... no particular question yet :-) | 19:09 |
| fuzzyman | sorry | 19:09 |
| lac | I am just in the house for another 25 minutes then out for a dinner meeting. Will be back late, but far from sober, too | 19:09 |
| * MrTopf should start preparing for a podcast recording | 19:10 | |
| fuzzyman | hehe - have fun | 19:10 |
| lac | will do. | 19:10 |
| fuzzyman | lac: Is Raymond Hettinger coming that you know of? | 19:11 |
| lac | He isn't | 19:11 |
| fuzzyman | ok - thanks | 19:11 |
| fuzzyman | lac: Hmm... unfortunately the Python VM Panel has been scheduled at the same time as the 'unconference panel' | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | I was hoping to use Steve Holden for the VM Panel | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | currently I don't have anyone representing CPython on the panel | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 19:19 |
| lac | aha. well Steve would not be a good bet in any case, because python internals is not one of the man's specialties. | 19:19 |
| lac | However, there is close to nothing about the C Python internals that Samuele and Armin do not know | 19:19 |
| fuzzyman | but Steve does know about the CPython design decisions and processes | 19:20 |
| fuzzyman | and I think the panel is more about that than implementation details | 19:20 |
| lac | I wonder if Martin vn Löwis is coming? I haven't seen hi reg yet, but there are so many of them I could easily have missed it. | 19:20 |
| fuzzyman | besides - armin and Samuele will be representing CPython | 19:20 |
| fuzzyman | I think he said he couldn't make it | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | shame | 19:21 |
| lac | you mean pypy | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | yes | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | sorry :-) | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | hmm... I'll just have to see if I can find a core CPython developer there | 19:22 |
| fuzzyman | ah... I know - Georg Brandl | 19:22 |
| fuzzyman | he will more than do | 19:22 |
| lac | Antoine Pitrou | 19:23 |
| fuzzyman | yep - he would be fine as well | 19:26 |
| matti | Hello. | 20:57 |
| ronny | sup | 22:06 |
| matti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8mB6VsUHw | 22:06 |
| matti | ;] | 22:06 |
| ronny | MrTopf: sup, i just did read you'll arrive about the same time as me on the airport | 22:07 |
| ronny | oh, bbl | 22:09 |
| * Mez yawns | 22:20 | |
| zeth | Evening all | 22:24 |
| LarstiQ | gah! | 22:24 |
| * LarstiQ notes he gets two copies of every mail to the europython list, then notes he is subscribed with his paypal address!? | 22:24 | |
| zeth | you are just lucky I gues | 22:25 |
| zeth | you can unsubscribe yourself if you want too | 22:25 |
| LarstiQ | maybe. I'm certainly quite annoyed. | 22:25 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: yes, I will | 22:25 |
| zeth | chill ;) | 22:26 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: I can understand the idea of wanting to keep every attendee up to date | 22:26 |
| LarstiQ | but really, my billing information has been abused for way too much | 22:26 |
| LarstiQ | it's just that, billing, nothing else | 22:26 |
| zeth | So I think LarstiQ has just volunteered to take over this and organise it better? | 22:27 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: indeed | 22:27 |
| zeth | This is community volunteer run conference, if something sucks it is because you have not fixed it | 22:27 |
| * LarstiQ nods at zeth | 22:27 | |
| LarstiQ | zeth: the first step has been informing you about it | 22:27 |
| ronny | delgation or beheading is an intresting way of management to get the best out of the people that forcibly want to help | 22:28 |
| zeth | Probably better to email europython-improve mailing list | 22:28 |
| * ronny sharpens the axe | 22:28 | |
| zeth | lol | 22:28 |
| zeth | well we have no management | 22:28 |
| zeth | people keep getting the idea that John, Laura and I are in charge | 22:29 |
| zeth | when really it is everyone's fault ;) | 22:29 |
| ronny | oh sweet mind dissonaces | 22:29 |
| ronny | the by accident elected management doesnt tell people clear enough that it isnt actually in charge | 22:31 |
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| zeth | we are not elected | 22:32 |
| zeth | well if people make assumptions | 22:32 |
| zeth | then what can we do | 22:32 |
| LarstiQ | correct them | 22:32 |
| zeth | we say on the front page that "All the organisers are volunteers from within the Python community" | 22:33 |
| zeth | Far worse, is that some people emailing us thinking this is a for-profit conference | 22:33 |
| matti | Hi zeth | 22:34 |
| matti | I wonder. Should I take my camera? | 22:34 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: volunteers still need managing | 22:35 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: and you and pinner _are_ the local organizers afaik? | 22:36 |
| LarstiQ | anyway | 22:36 |
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| zeth | LarstiQ: I agree we need managing ;) | 22:37 |
| zeth | LarstiQ: Anyhow I think things are going rather well | 22:37 |
| zeth | considering everything | 22:37 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: yes, it seems so | 22:37 |
| zeth | Everything is streched and so on, especially considering the core crew could fit inside a large car | 22:38 |
| zeth | and we have 400 delegates | 22:38 |
| zeth | or whatever it is now | 22:38 |
| matti | ... and we work day jobs... | 22:38 |
| zeth | a lot more than 400 | 22:38 |
| zeth | indeed | 22:38 |
| zeth | and some of us work day jobs, night jobs and then this conference | 22:38 |
| matti | Very true. | 22:39 |
| LarstiQ | like me. | 22:39 |
| zeth | but we will miss it when it is over | 22:39 |
| matti | For some reason two weeks before EPC were also the most challenging at work as well. | 22:40 |
| zeth | After 2010 when we have to give europython back, we have to adopt another conference to hold in Birmingham | 22:40 |
| zeth | Maybe some more Linux ones | 22:40 |
| matti | Give EPC back? | 22:40 |
| matti | In what sense? | 22:40 |
| zeth | matti: me too I have a big website launch on 8th July | 22:40 |
| LarstiQ | matti: 2 years in a row by the same local organizers | 22:40 |
| zeth | matti: the UK has to give it back | 22:40 |
| matti | Oh. | 22:41 |
| zeth | it then will go somewhere else | 22:41 |
| zeth | unless somewhere else fail to get their act together | 22:41 |
| zeth | then it just sits in birmingham | 22:41 |
| matti | zeth: This Saturday we have huge launch of completely new code base in entire North America region. | 22:41 |
| matti | zeth: I was almost sleepless because of that... | 22:41 |
| matti | zeth: If there is something worng... > 16 mln customers might get upset. | 22:42 |
| matti | zeth: And then my boss will tear my head apart ;d | 22:42 |
| matti | zeth: So there is no real pressue p | 22:42 |
| matti | s/pressue/pressure/ | 22:42 |
| matti | ;] | 22:42 |
| zeth | wow | 22:42 |
| matti | That is why I am so unhappy with myself and my contribution... to some extend... if I only could have more time... | 22:43 |
| zeth | well I know | 22:43 |
| zeth | you have done really well with the CD | 22:43 |
| matti | zeth: I've missed recent update to the talk materials. | 22:43 |
| zeth | I think Jonathan hartley has been putting them on the wiki | 22:44 |
| matti | Yes. | 22:44 |
| matti | I was getting them from the Wiki | 22:44 |
| matti | And via e-mails. | 22:44 |
| matti | But people kept adding updated versions. | 22:44 |
| matti | So I was constantly keeping an eye on what is going on. | 22:44 |
| matti | But... I've missed the recent one... when one of the speakers decided to update his already updated once version ;d | 22:46 |
| matti | ;d | 22:46 |
| matti | ;] | 22:46 |
| matti | Tough. | 22:46 |
| LarstiQ | can't be helped | 22:47 |
| matti | Well. | 22:48 |
| matti | Some speakers done rather well. | 22:48 |
| matti | I had a sneak peak on some of the slides. | 22:48 |
| matti | And they are REALLY nice. | 22:48 |
| matti | I'd say that they are of at most quality. | 22:49 |
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| MrTopf | ronny: so how do we meet? ;-) | 23:13 |
| matti | MrTopf: You have to wear pink jeans. | 23:13 |
| matti | ;] | 23:13 |
| MrTopf | ok, we don't meet.. | 23:14 |
| MrTopf | ;-) | 23:14 |
| ronny | anyone aware of the airport has a palce that calims to seel thuringian sausage | 23:14 |
| ronny | i could do an epic rant there | 23:15 |
| matti | MrTopf: Are you afarid of a man in the pink jeans? ;p | 23:15 |
| MrTopf | not unless it's me | 23:15 |
| MrTopf | ronny: you are from .de? | 23:15 |
| LarstiQ | not that it will help, but you both know me | 23:15 |
| ronny | hmm, for some reason i remember jelmers face more clear | 23:16 |
| matti | MrTopf: Ha! | 23:16 |
| matti | MrTopf: ;] | 23:16 |
| ronny | and i lack an idea on why | 23:16 |
| LarstiQ | ronny: I don't practice ninjutsu, I swear. | 23:17 |
| ronny | LarstiQ: when/where will you arrive | 23:17 |
| LarstiQ | ronny: Monday, BHX. | 23:17 |
| ronny | LarstiQ: so you stopped practice and started mastering? | 23:17 |
| * LarstiQ will leave from HEL at 16:00 EEST | 23:17 | |
| * MrTopf will leave from Weeze at 16:25 | 23:19 | |
| MrTopf | 16:66 BHX | 23:19 |
| MrTopf | 16:55 :-) | 23:19 |
| ronny | MrTopf: what airline? | 23:19 |
| matti | Hight-Fly Inc. | 23:20 |
| matti | ;] | 23:20 |
| * ronny goes by ryanair from weeze | 23:20 | |
| LarstiQ | no airberlin? | 23:20 |
| MrTopf | ok, we have the same flight then :-) | 23:21 |
| ronny | well, then we should at least try to meet | 23:21 |
| MrTopf | FR2184 | 23:21 |
| matti | Heheh | 23:21 |
| matti | ;] | 23:21 |
| MrTopf | maybe just call me ;-) 01788128061 | 23:22 |
| MrTopf | I think I have a train arriving quite early there, 14:30 or so | 23:22 |
| ronny | MrTopf: i'll try to get that one then (i'll start around 12:00 somewhere from bochum langendreher) | 23:23 |
| MrTopf | well, simply call me when you are there. it should even be still a cheap call ;-) | 23:24 |
| MrTopf | on the list there was also somebody arriving at 17:35, maybe we can wait for him as well then | 23:25 |
| zeth | ronny: OMG weeze | 23:25 |
| zeth | I hate weeze | 23:25 |
| zeth | Please blowup weeze airport when you leave | 23:25 |
| zeth | total death count: 3 sheep and 4 cows | 23:25 |
| MrTopf | I never have been at Weeze | 23:25 |
| MrTopf | but what is worse, Weeze or Hahn? at least a train goes to Weeze | 23:26 |
| ronny | i did choose weeze after seeing how i would get to hahn | 23:26 |
| MrTopf | but I don't expect much from Ryanair anyway. I mainly hope they bring me safe over the water ;-) | 23:26 |
| MrTopf | well, there is a bus from Köln I could take to Hahn so I guess it doesn't matter time wise for me.. at least I know afterwards what's better or worse ;-) | 23:27 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: do you know Malpenza? | 23:27 |
| ronny | MrTopf: well, i'll have fun tommorow, im from somewhere deep in thuringia, but times to get to the airports sucked __damn much__ in both cases, but at least i have some friends for sleepover's in bochum | 23:28 |
| MrTopf | ah, that's good | 23:29 |
| MrTopf | and yes, for you both places are far away | 23:29 |
| MrTopf | LarstiQ: so what time will you arrive? | 23:32 |
| MrTopf | ah, that was monday | 23:32 |
| MrTopf | so I hope you don't mind that we don't wait for you then :-) | 23:32 |
| LarstiQ | MrTopf: I insist! ;) | 23:33 |
| MrTopf | we will then think about it | 23:33 |
| tobixen | MrTopf: I think the toilets are still free on RyanAir ... just be aware of the luggage restrictions ... | 23:33 |
| MrTopf | I don't believe anything is free on RyanAir ;-) | 23:34 |
| MrTopf | probably going to the toilet on board costs 5 EUR | 23:34 |
| MrTopf | 10 while in air | 23:34 |
| MrTopf | anyway, I will go home :-) | 23:34 |
| LarstiQ | tobixen: bmibaby is also fun with that :/ | 23:35 |
| MrTopf | ronny: we will hopefully meet in Weeze then :-) you might also find photos of me on flickr by searching for "mrtopf" :-) | 23:35 |
| tobixen | just be aware that if you've paid for checked-in luggage, you're only allowed to bring 15.0 kg in that bag. You'll have to pay for every gram above ;-) | 23:35 |
| MrTopf | I know | 23:36 |
| MrTopf | so I have to trim down my equipment I take with me | 23:36 |
| moreati | Pay by the gram, better make it something worthwhile... | 23:36 |
| MrTopf | esp. as I am not going home from EP but to the future music camp which is another 2 days | 23:36 |
| MrTopf | cheaper would be 2 bags but that's annoying to handle | 23:37 |
| MrTopf | anyway, talk to you soon! | 23:37 |
| tobixen | soon RyanAir will have free beer but paid toilets | 23:41 |
| moreati | or free toilets, but paid toilet paper | 23:44 |
| matti | Hehhe | 23:47 |
| matti | Per cm | 23:47 |
| matti | ;] | 23:47 |
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| tobixen | "We have looked into this before and the problem is Boeing can't come up with a mechanism on the toilet door to take coins. We're suggesting they go back and look at a mechanism where you'd swipe the credit card for a quid on the toilet door. They've gone off to look at that." | 23:55 |
| moreati | If they charged for the paper, then that credit card could fulfil another use too... | 23:56 |
| * moreati gets his coat | 23:56 | |
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