IRC log of #europython for Wednesday, 2009-06-10

zethHi matti00:43
zethSorry for being out00:43
zethThe papers/outlines/abstracts/code examples volunteer thing is still open00:43
zethmatti: if you want to do it, I will help you00:44
zethI will explain it00:44
mattizeth: I am.01:27
zeth`Cool02:45
zethmatti: when would be a good time to IRC with you?02:45
mattizeth: I look on IRC for time to time during my working hours.03:04
mattizeth: I believe between 10am - 5pm03:04
mattizeth: I have to go to sleep now :)03:04
mattizeth: Sleep well and speak to you later ;]03:04
matti:)12:18
mattizeth: I am at your service.12:19
matti;]12:19
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zethmatti Hi15:56
mattiHi zeth15:57
MrTopfHi zeth, matti16:14
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mattiHi MrTopf16:15
matti;]16:15
zethHi MrTopf !16:17
zethHow are you?16:17
MrTopffine, thank you :-)16:17
MrTopftoo many ideas for cool projects though ;-)16:17
MrTopfhow are you?16:18
mattiMrTopf: Same with me.16:18
matti;]16:18
mattiMrTopf: I have entire notebook full of project ideas.16:19
mattiMrTopf: The only one issue I am facing at the moment...16:19
mattiMrTopf: Is the lack of time :)16:19
MrTopfI start most of them and then let them fall off once I start a new one ;-)16:19
mattiHehe ;]16:19
mattiMrTopf: Anything interesting?16:19
mattiI need to finish the project I called "PIMS"16:19
MrTopfmy hope usually is that it all comes together in the end.. it sorta does actually but it does not mean that it altogether will become less work magically16:19
mattiPIMS stands for Platform Independent Monitoring System.16:20
mattiPython + Pyrex and a bit of C; so far works on Linux, Solaris and Windows...16:20
matti;16:20
mattiI've got fed up with Nagios and that sort of things.16:20
matti;]16:20
mattiAs it does not scales well in large networks.16:20
mattiAnd my company bought something terrible for insane amount of money.16:21
MrTopfwell, I am writing a CMS framework, thinking about how to write a virtual world, thinking about dataportability stuff and open standards (also inform of a lib called pydataportability which also is idle since last year's EP), political activism regarding censorship plans in Germany and Telecoms package on EU level, and so on16:21
mattiSMARTS16:21
mattiMrTopf: :)16:21
MrTopfsounds cool16:21
MrTopfI don't have a large network though so nagios is still ok for me :)16:21
MrTopfI also was thinking about remote backup software.. a la Backblaze/Mozy/DropBox to S3 or so16:22
mattiGood idea.16:22
mattiI thought about that as well.16:22
MrTopfand I recently dived a bit into wxWindows, PyGTK, pyqt and PyObjC/Cocoa16:22
MrTopfand Python-Ogre16:22
MrTopfthe two latter mostly for the virtual worlds stuff16:22
mattiAlthough, storatge solution offered by S3 is not yet that great.16:22
mattiPyGTK is a good fun.16:23
mattiEspecially with Glade.16:23
matti:)16:23
MrTopfbut apparently knowing how to code python gui apps might be useful for other stuff, too16:23
mattiIndeed.16:23
MrTopfjust packaging might be an issue (crossplatform at least)16:23
mattiAs for example, you have to scratch threads.16:23
mattiIf you want to make your application responsive etc.16:23
MrTopfI guess threads or some non-blocking solutions16:24
MrTopflike eventlet or maybe twisted16:24
MrTopfso a simple idea of writing a VW suddenly turns out to be far more complex ;-)16:24
MrTopfok "simple idea"16:24
MrTopfbut mostly I want the virtual world stuff as proof of concept for some protocol idea I have regarding distributed social networks with open standards16:25
MrTopfso it does not need to be an end product, just something I can demo or do a screencast about16:25
mattiMrTopf: In a case of PyGTK i use threads for one sole purpose.16:25
mattiMrTopf: To update GUI while being able to interact with the user.16:26
MrTopfic16:26
mattiMrTopf: As separate thread can intercept event from X i.e. mouse click, etc.16:26
mattiMrTopf: And ack upon it.16:26
MrTopfwell, I am not yet at that point. I first should think about what lib to use ;-)16:26
mattiMrTopf: Its quite common DP for UIs.16:26
MrTopfit will be mostly a web browsery component and not much more anyway which then hands off to python-ogre16:26
MrTopf(where I also need some input loop though)16:27
matti:-)16:27
MrTopfare there any good tutorials or books on any of these libs?16:27
mattiYes.16:28
MrTopfesp. regarding python programming16:28
mattihttp://zetcode.com/tutorials/pygtktutorial/16:28
mattiFor example.16:28
MrTopfah, thanks!16:28
mattiAlso, PyGame is handy.16:29
MrTopfyeah, I keep hearing about it, e.g. at EP ;-)16:29
MrTopfand there is a tutorial on how to use pygame with python-ogre on the ogre site16:29
matti:)16:30
MrTopfor maybe I should use cocos2d and start a 2D virtual world instead of a 3D one ;-)16:32
matti:P16:32
MrTopfthe concepts I want to work on should be the same anyway16:32
MrTopfbecause python-ogre is more of a beast actually16:32
MrTopfoh, and there is an iphone version of it16:32
MrTopfbut one goal might actually be to be able to use both, 2D and 3D within the same virtual world.. no idea yet how to achieve this though16:33
matti;]16:38
MrTopfwell, cocos2d seems not to run on my mac16:44
MrTopfso back to ogre16:45
MrTopfactually back to work for now16:45
zethHi MrTopf16:45
zethCan I ask you a question?16:45
MrTopfsure16:45
zethDo you have any of the recordings of Europython 2008?16:45
zethThat we can use to pad out the Europython CD a little16:46
MrTopfmostly on tape I guess.. I have to check which I actually had on drive and maybe sort of finished16:46
MrTopfbut that needs a bit of digging.. can try tomorrow16:47
zethcheers16:47
zethcan you email matti for me at krzysztof.wilczynski@bcs.org.uk16:47
zethwhen you have something16:47
MrTopfbut maybe send me a mail tomorrow to remind me ;-)16:47
zethperhaps something not too large though16:47
zethMrTopf: what is your email again?16:47
MrTopfI only have full presentations16:48
MrTopfmrtopf@gmail.com16:48
MrTopfthere is one video of it at http://comlounge.tv online16:48
MrTopfshould I find finished ones I will also put them up there16:48
zethwell if they are downloadable16:49
zethso he can put them on CD16:49
zethhow big to you guess they are?16:49
zethor maybe audio perhaps?16:49
MrTopf50-100 MB for a talk I would think16:51
MrTopfnot sure about audio, need to check whether blip.tv was also creating mp3s automatically from it16:52
MrTopfI guess for manual audio extraction I don't have that time16:52
MrTopfbut I think blip did that16:52
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zethwell 4 talks at 50MB would be well enough17:06
zethor something17:06
zethor maybe just the lightning talks17:06
zethor whatever17:06
zethwhatever you got17:06
MrTopfI just found some at http://comlounge.blip.tv, they are also downloadable and have mp3 versions as well17:13
MrTopfso maybe simply take from there17:13
MrTopfbut they are more 60-80 MBs17:14
MrTopfzeth: ^^17:22
zethyep cool cheers17:27
matti;]17:28
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