| zeth | Hi matti | 00:43 |
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| zeth | Sorry for being out | 00:43 |
| zeth | The papers/outlines/abstracts/code examples volunteer thing is still open | 00:43 |
| zeth | matti: if you want to do it, I will help you | 00:44 |
| zeth | I will explain it | 00:44 |
| matti | zeth: I am. | 01:27 |
| zeth | `Cool | 02:45 |
| zeth | matti: when would be a good time to IRC with you? | 02:45 |
| matti | zeth: I look on IRC for time to time during my working hours. | 03:04 |
| matti | zeth: I believe between 10am - 5pm | 03:04 |
| matti | zeth: I have to go to sleep now :) | 03:04 |
| matti | zeth: Sleep well and speak to you later ;] | 03:04 |
| matti | :) | 12:18 |
| matti | zeth: I am at your service. | 12:19 |
| matti | ;] | 12:19 |
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| zeth | matti Hi | 15:56 |
| matti | Hi zeth | 15:57 |
| MrTopf | Hi zeth, matti | 16:14 |
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| matti | Hi MrTopf | 16:15 |
| matti | ;] | 16:15 |
| zeth | Hi MrTopf ! | 16:17 |
| zeth | How are you? | 16:17 |
| MrTopf | fine, thank you :-) | 16:17 |
| MrTopf | too many ideas for cool projects though ;-) | 16:17 |
| MrTopf | how are you? | 16:18 |
| matti | MrTopf: Same with me. | 16:18 |
| matti | ;] | 16:18 |
| matti | MrTopf: I have entire notebook full of project ideas. | 16:19 |
| matti | MrTopf: The only one issue I am facing at the moment... | 16:19 |
| matti | MrTopf: Is the lack of time :) | 16:19 |
| MrTopf | I start most of them and then let them fall off once I start a new one ;-) | 16:19 |
| matti | Hehe ;] | 16:19 |
| matti | MrTopf: Anything interesting? | 16:19 |
| matti | I need to finish the project I called "PIMS" | 16:19 |
| MrTopf | my hope usually is that it all comes together in the end.. it sorta does actually but it does not mean that it altogether will become less work magically | 16:19 |
| matti | PIMS stands for Platform Independent Monitoring System. | 16:20 |
| matti | Python + Pyrex and a bit of C; so far works on Linux, Solaris and Windows... | 16:20 |
| matti | ; | 16:20 |
| matti | I've got fed up with Nagios and that sort of things. | 16:20 |
| matti | ;] | 16:20 |
| matti | As it does not scales well in large networks. | 16:20 |
| matti | And my company bought something terrible for insane amount of money. | 16:21 |
| MrTopf | well, I am writing a CMS framework, thinking about how to write a virtual world, thinking about dataportability stuff and open standards (also inform of a lib called pydataportability which also is idle since last year's EP), political activism regarding censorship plans in Germany and Telecoms package on EU level, and so on | 16:21 |
| matti | SMARTS | 16:21 |
| matti | MrTopf: :) | 16:21 |
| MrTopf | sounds cool | 16:21 |
| MrTopf | I don't have a large network though so nagios is still ok for me :) | 16:21 |
| MrTopf | I also was thinking about remote backup software.. a la Backblaze/Mozy/DropBox to S3 or so | 16:22 |
| matti | Good idea. | 16:22 |
| matti | I thought about that as well. | 16:22 |
| MrTopf | and I recently dived a bit into wxWindows, PyGTK, pyqt and PyObjC/Cocoa | 16:22 |
| MrTopf | and Python-Ogre | 16:22 |
| MrTopf | the two latter mostly for the virtual worlds stuff | 16:22 |
| matti | Although, storatge solution offered by S3 is not yet that great. | 16:22 |
| matti | PyGTK is a good fun. | 16:23 |
| matti | Especially with Glade. | 16:23 |
| matti | :) | 16:23 |
| MrTopf | but apparently knowing how to code python gui apps might be useful for other stuff, too | 16:23 |
| matti | Indeed. | 16:23 |
| MrTopf | just packaging might be an issue (crossplatform at least) | 16:23 |
| matti | As for example, you have to scratch threads. | 16:23 |
| matti | If you want to make your application responsive etc. | 16:23 |
| MrTopf | I guess threads or some non-blocking solutions | 16:24 |
| MrTopf | like eventlet or maybe twisted | 16:24 |
| MrTopf | so a simple idea of writing a VW suddenly turns out to be far more complex ;-) | 16:24 |
| MrTopf | ok "simple idea" | 16:24 |
| MrTopf | but mostly I want the virtual world stuff as proof of concept for some protocol idea I have regarding distributed social networks with open standards | 16:25 |
| MrTopf | so it does not need to be an end product, just something I can demo or do a screencast about | 16:25 |
| matti | MrTopf: In a case of PyGTK i use threads for one sole purpose. | 16:25 |
| matti | MrTopf: To update GUI while being able to interact with the user. | 16:26 |
| MrTopf | ic | 16:26 |
| matti | MrTopf: As separate thread can intercept event from X i.e. mouse click, etc. | 16:26 |
| matti | MrTopf: And ack upon it. | 16:26 |
| MrTopf | well, I am not yet at that point. I first should think about what lib to use ;-) | 16:26 |
| matti | MrTopf: Its quite common DP for UIs. | 16:26 |
| MrTopf | it will be mostly a web browsery component and not much more anyway which then hands off to python-ogre | 16:26 |
| MrTopf | (where I also need some input loop though) | 16:27 |
| matti | :-) | 16:27 |
| MrTopf | are there any good tutorials or books on any of these libs? | 16:27 |
| matti | Yes. | 16:28 |
| MrTopf | esp. regarding python programming | 16:28 |
| matti | http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pygtktutorial/ | 16:28 |
| matti | For example. | 16:28 |
| MrTopf | ah, thanks! | 16:28 |
| matti | Also, PyGame is handy. | 16:29 |
| MrTopf | yeah, I keep hearing about it, e.g. at EP ;-) | 16:29 |
| MrTopf | and there is a tutorial on how to use pygame with python-ogre on the ogre site | 16:29 |
| matti | :) | 16:30 |
| MrTopf | or maybe I should use cocos2d and start a 2D virtual world instead of a 3D one ;-) | 16:32 |
| matti | :P | 16:32 |
| MrTopf | the concepts I want to work on should be the same anyway | 16:32 |
| MrTopf | because python-ogre is more of a beast actually | 16:32 |
| MrTopf | oh, and there is an iphone version of it | 16:32 |
| MrTopf | but one goal might actually be to be able to use both, 2D and 3D within the same virtual world.. no idea yet how to achieve this though | 16:33 |
| matti | ;] | 16:38 |
| MrTopf | well, cocos2d seems not to run on my mac | 16:44 |
| MrTopf | so back to ogre | 16:45 |
| MrTopf | actually back to work for now | 16:45 |
| zeth | Hi MrTopf | 16:45 |
| zeth | Can I ask you a question? | 16:45 |
| MrTopf | sure | 16:45 |
| zeth | Do you have any of the recordings of Europython 2008? | 16:45 |
| zeth | That we can use to pad out the Europython CD a little | 16:46 |
| MrTopf | mostly on tape I guess.. I have to check which I actually had on drive and maybe sort of finished | 16:46 |
| MrTopf | but that needs a bit of digging.. can try tomorrow | 16:47 |
| zeth | cheers | 16:47 |
| zeth | can you email matti for me at krzysztof.wilczynski@bcs.org.uk | 16:47 |
| zeth | when you have something | 16:47 |
| MrTopf | but maybe send me a mail tomorrow to remind me ;-) | 16:47 |
| zeth | perhaps something not too large though | 16:47 |
| zeth | MrTopf: what is your email again? | 16:47 |
| MrTopf | I only have full presentations | 16:48 |
| MrTopf | mrtopf@gmail.com | 16:48 |
| MrTopf | there is one video of it at http://comlounge.tv online | 16:48 |
| MrTopf | should I find finished ones I will also put them up there | 16:48 |
| zeth | well if they are downloadable | 16:49 |
| zeth | so he can put them on CD | 16:49 |
| zeth | how big to you guess they are? | 16:49 |
| zeth | or maybe audio perhaps? | 16:49 |
| MrTopf | 50-100 MB for a talk I would think | 16:51 |
| MrTopf | not sure about audio, need to check whether blip.tv was also creating mp3s automatically from it | 16:52 |
| MrTopf | I guess for manual audio extraction I don't have that time | 16:52 |
| MrTopf | but I think blip did that | 16:52 |
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| zeth | well 4 talks at 50MB would be well enough | 17:06 |
| zeth | or something | 17:06 |
| zeth | or maybe just the lightning talks | 17:06 |
| zeth | or whatever | 17:06 |
| zeth | whatever you got | 17:06 |
| MrTopf | I just found some at http://comlounge.blip.tv, they are also downloadable and have mp3 versions as well | 17:13 |
| MrTopf | so maybe simply take from there | 17:13 |
| MrTopf | but they are more 60-80 MBs | 17:14 |
| MrTopf | zeth: ^^ | 17:22 |
| zeth | yep cool cheers | 17:27 |
| matti | ;] | 17:28 |
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