IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2009-06-09

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mattiMorning.12:23
* matti is still waiting for something to do... and reply from Nigel...12:24
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zethHi matti18:42
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tartleyhi19:00
tartleyanyone here?19:00
tartleyit *is* tuesday, right?19:00
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pinnerGood Evening!19:02
dboddie_officeHello.19:02
tartleyHi John19:02
pinnerHello David, Hello Jonathan19:03
tartleyYou well?19:04
pinnertartley:harassed!19:04
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pinnerI need to be going around 6.00 - 6.15, but you can carry on without me!19:05
pinnerShall we start?19:05
fuzzymanhere19:06
qwrightPRESENT19:06
fuzzymando we shout PRESENT yet?19:06
dboddie_officePRESENT19:06
pinner#startmeeting19:06
pboddiePRESENT19:06
pinnerPRESENT19:06
tartleyPRESENT19:06
pinnerNow you can!19:07
fuzzymanso I have to shout PRESENT *again*"19:07
zethHi19:07
fuzzymanuhm - hi :-)19:07
nickbookerPRESENT19:07
pinnerfuzzyman: probably19:07
fuzzymansorry to be obstreporous19:07
zethPRESENT19:07
pinnerITEM Apologies19:07
lacPRESENT19:07
pinnerApologies from ghum, he's travelling19:07
pinnerAny more?19:07
lacapologies from Jacob19:08
pinnerTOPIC Review Actions from Last Meeting19:08
pinnermost itesm not done, or at least not complete, I believe19:09
fuzzymanitem list?19:09
tartley- Session Team page updated ?19:09
tartley- Tutors mailed with tutorial requirements ?19:09
tartley- Session captain ?19:09
tartley- Publicise to The Register and LUGS?19:09
pinnerzeth: did you publicise to theregister and LUGS?19:09
zethAh, I did not know I had to19:10
zethI will do19:10
zethI have access to both19:10
pinnerI and Richard Talylow keep crossing regarding Session Captain19:10
zethSorry for last time, I got stuck with the damp surveyor19:10
pinnermoreati hadn't updates the SessionTeam page earlier19:11
pinnertartley: you've been preparing soemthing for the tutors I believe?19:11
tartleyI made a belated start today. I sent a draft to the ep-talks list for feedback a little few minutes ago, but don't see it yet...19:11
tartleymy outstanding questions are19:11
qwrighttartley: I see it19:11
tartley- where should they send their handouts? Is uploading them to the wiki page best?19:11
tartleyhttp://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials19:11
tartleyqwright: good, thanks.19:12
tartleyalso, what do we need them to do in order to pay them? Do they need to invoice us?19:12
pinnertartley: create a (orphan) wiki page for them to upload to19:13
tartleyThat's a reasonable idea. Fair enough. Will do.19:13
pinnerregarding format, we want something we can print reliably, which usually means pdf19:13
tartleyalright19:14
tartleyand if the payment question is not clear to somebody, then can that info wait for a later email?19:14
pinnerthey will need to invoice us, but not until we know how many students they have19:14
tartleyor is it clear to somebody?19:14
tartleyah!19:14
tartleyquite.19:14
pinnerso no invoice until after the tutorials19:14
tartleyOK then. I'll just mention that to assure them it is in hand, and no invoices until later. Right.19:14
tartleythanks19:15
pinneras far as the other things are concerned:19:15
tartleySorry to be so sluggish on it. I'll get this finished after this meet.19:15
pinnerACTION zeth, publicity register and LUGS19:15
pinnerACTION pinner session captain19:15
pinnerACTION moreati SessionTeam page, now urgent19:16
pinnerTOPIC Registration19:16
pinner256 real registrations to date + 9 duplicates (Tutorials, extra hotel rooms) = 265 in report19:17
pinnerreport is on wiki Organisers as usual19:17
pinnerMain problem at moment is with the illustrious Visa Section at the British Embassy in Kiev19:17
pboddie365 total, surely.19:17
pinnerpboddie: yes, of course19:18
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tartleycorrection? Is that 356 true total (not 256)19:18
pinnerI'm persevering with the visas, but frankly there's not much hope, so that will be 6 fewer delegates19:18
fuzzymanthat's a real shame19:18
pinneryes, yes 356. Sorry, it's been a long day...19:19
fuzzyman*phew*19:19
fuzzymanthat's a lot better19:19
zethYeah shame about Ukraine19:19
zethmaybe we hold Europython there one day19:19
dboddie_officeWhat's the problem in Kiev?19:19
zeththey can't get in UK19:20
fuzzymangot to be better than Birmingham ;-)19:20
pinnerzeth: more than the shame, we have sloppy civil servants19:20
fuzzyman:-)19:20
zethfuzzyman: bad fuzzywuzzy19:20
pinneror Northampton ;-)19:20
dboddie_officezeth: They're already in the UK... (not GB)19:20
zethfuzzyman: Bad civil servants are not in birmingham19:20
fuzzymanfirst year I can go to EuroPython and we have it in flipping Birmingham19:20
zethdboddie_office: ;)19:20
fuzzymansorry for the distraction19:21
pinnerfuzzyman: there's always next year ;-) I mean the year after19:21
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fuzzymanhehe19:21
pinnerTOPIC Tutorials19:21
zethI have not readded the booking system for tutorials I will do ASAP19:21
pinnerzeth: how is the booking system? we need it for room allocations, badly19:21
zethyes okay I will have a go tonight if I am allowed19:21
pinnerzeth: you had last night, the gaffer was out ;-)19:22
zethI know would of been ideal19:22
zethI did get loads of my work done though19:22
zethget them to go out again ;)19:22
pinnerzeth: shall we say ready by Friday?19:23
zethok19:23
zethpre-checkin for tutorials on Friday19:23
pinnerACTION zeth - tutorial booking system to be online by Friday 12th19:24
zethlast time I could set maximum number on certain tutorials, do we want me to do that?19:24
zethOr shall we just cope with whatever happens?19:24
pinnertartley: tutor notifications when?19:24
pinnerzeth: cope with whatever happens19:24
tartleyI intend to send right after this meeting19:24
pinnertartley: good.19:25
pinnerTOPIC Talks19:25
pinnerJim Hugunin has withdrawn, no keynote19:25
tartleysorry: quick sanity check: We are talking about the email to tutors about uploading and (not yet) invoicing. Not somethign else that I've misunderstood?19:25
fuzzymanwe're hoping to get an IronPython team replacement but it won't be a keynote19:26
pinnertartley: yes, you're sane (ish)19:26
tartleypinner: thanks19:26
pinnerso we can do a little rescheduling. maybe allocate more time to the PSF session with Steve Holden, or get him to do a Teach Me session19:27
pinnertime for that later, though19:27
pinnerWe are desparate for session chairs, need the SessionTeam page updating with the slots like at PyCon UK last year19:28
pinnerthen we need to press gang people...19:28
fuzzymantartley: advertised it but hasn't signed up himself...19:28
fuzzymando we have a session chair?19:29
pinnerMany of the speaker bios are inadequate19:29
pinnerfuzzyman: possible Richard Taylor19:29
fuzzymanok19:29
pinnerand a lot of the speaker pix are missing19:29
pinnernickbooker: can you mail a list of missing pix to the Talks Sub Committee19:30
pinnerso they can mail speakers?19:30
tartleyI was working on what I took from last week's meeting, that I would make a good fall-back if we are short-handed, but should focus on helping with AV19:30
dboddie_officeI'm aiming to sign up for a session chair later today.19:30
zethI have a suggestion, shall we write a list of annoying little jobs, and I will find lots of annoying little people to do them. The call for someone to help with collating papers returned 6 responses, but none of them seemed to know what to do. Maybe I could try to take a list of stupid things and shephard a bit more; just an idea.19:30
nickbookerpinner: yep i'll do that19:30
pinnertartley: you've already done a lot, we want others joining in, so we should only do it as a last resort19:31
pinneralthough I intend to sign up for a t19:31
pboddieI'm willing to help with session chairing and stuff. I was really assuming that Zeth would pester everyone he knows, anyway. ;-)19:31
pinnertalk/session I want to attend19:31
pinnerpboddie: thanks put you name on the wiki!19:32
pinnerand we have to chase the speakers who have not registered, although it's difficult to work out who they are19:32
pinnerACTION nickbooker produce list of speakers with missing pix for TSC19:33
pinnerACTION TSC to review bios and chase speakers with bad ones, and missing pix19:33
pinnerACTION all to press-gang session chairs19:34
pinnerTOPIC Swag Bags19:34
pinnerWe have looked at some and chosen, so that's in hand19:34
pinnerjust have to choose a design, which nick and zeth have been working on19:35
zethoh yes19:35
pinnerNo sign of Yusdi yet, so we have Plan B in reserve for the Programme19:35
pinnerand the other problem is the CD master19:35
pinnerzeth: any progress with volunteers?19:36
zethwell we have 6 volunteers19:36
pinnerjeez!19:36
zethbut none of them seemed to get anywhere19:36
zethmatti: was one19:36
zethwho was trying to grasp the bull by the horns19:36
zethI will try to chase this19:36
pinnerzeth: good19:37
pinnerwe need the master ideally one week before the conference19:37
zethok19:37
pinnerso we need to tell speakers/tutors they have until 18th June, that's only 9 days.19:37
zethcrikey19:38
pinnerin extremis we can go to two days before, ie 26th19:38
pinnerbut we can't tell them that19:38
tartleyRight. 18th was what I had in mind.19:38
pinnerACTION zeth to round up CD volunteers to produce the goods19:39
pinnerTOPIC Publicity19:39
fuzzymangood job tartley is producing the materials for our tutorial19:39
fuzzyman:-)19:39
pinnerAll we can do now is spam lists, plus try and get something on the reg etc19:40
tartleyha har! Good job fuzzy already did it for PyCon!19:40
fuzzyman:-)19:40
tartleyfuzzyman: acknowledged we need to brush them up though19:40
pinnerwe had good publicity on the Ubuntu-UK podcast and we have a winner of the competition, they will announce tonight I think19:40
fuzzymantartley: we should get together19:41
laccool19:41
fuzzymanWe were on MSDN flash as well19:41
fuzzymannot sure how effective it is, but it's something19:41
pinnerwe made the question too hard (!) so there were not many correct entries, so we though we'd offer them reduce entry fees19:41
pinnermight boost the attendance a little and spread goodwill19:41
tartleyout of interest, what was the question?19:42
pinnerThe Twitter reflector is working reliably (touch wood)19:42
tartleyOwn up: was it about metaclasses?19:42
fuzzymanI missed a talk question - sorry19:42
fuzzymanhave we scheduled Cory Doctorow and has anyone been in touch with him?19:43
pinnertartley: Which speaker is so relaxed about his database that he has a rest?19:43
tartleyI have19:43
fuzzymantartley: cool19:43
tartleyI have been in touch with Cory. He's confirmed for the slot we have him in (let me look...)19:43
tartleyand ishappy for any class of train ticket that gets him a table and a power socket. He's buying his own ticket on that understanding.19:44
pinnerACTION all to publicise where possible - lists, blogs, twitter etc19:44
pinnerdid you get the Twitter meeting reminder?19:44
pinnerTOPIC Tech Team19:45
pinnerqwright: status on ADSL?19:45
qwrightdue to order on Thursday19:45
fuzzymanpinner: you mean from the reflector? worked fine, I saw it19:45
mattiI was one?19:45
mattizeth: ? :)19:45
tartleyyes, I saw the twitter meeting reminder19:45
mattiDid I miss something?19:46
mattiI have go to ho,e19:46
mattiBut in 30 min time I will be able to help!19:46
pinnerfuzzyman: yes, the reflector. used as you suggested? talk on widgets starting in Bar in 10 minutes! etc19:47
fuzzymanworked great19:47
pinnermatti: suggest you and zeth meet after this meeting19:47
pinnerwe will order projector(s) this week19:47
pinnerand I'm picking up a loan projector in London on 25th.19:48
qwrightwe need to  make a visit to CBSO to work out wireless and power provision19:48
pinnerwe've not made much progress on video19:48
pinneralthough Ciaran is wound up ready for audio, I believe19:49
qwrightare there any plans in place for video?19:49
qwrightI've asked a few times....19:49
pinnerI'm forgetting about video, if it happens it happens, if not too bad19:49
lacI think there are no video plans.  If there are any I have not heard of them.19:49
pinnerhas anyone asked keith white to be a power monkey?19:49
qwrightNot I ...19:50
pinnerlac: we may have some video, but it's not definite at all.19:50
zethmatti: Hi cool, catch you in 30 mins19:50
qwrightI can e-mail him, assuming I can dig out his e-mail address19:50
zethvideo is off19:50
zethMrTopF wants to do other things this year19:51
zethlike go to talks19:51
pinnervery sensible of MrTopf19:51
zethvideo is a lot of work19:52
zethhe has not edited the stuff yet from last year19:52
zethso we just stick with audio19:52
pinnerACTION qwright to ask Keith White to help with power etc19:53
fuzzymanfine with me - shame - but is a *huge* amount of effort19:53
fuzzymanthe PyCon guys did really well but they had a big team and stack of equipment19:53
pinnerqwright needs a lot more help with Tech Team19:53
pinnerI think we should put out a call on europython@python.org for help with thinks like Tech Team and SessionTeam19:54
qwrightReally need more hands to set up stuff and clear up19:54
tartleysounds like a job for zeths 'stupid tasks' list ?19:54
pinnerit's supposed to be a community conference, after all...19:54
qwrightWe do have Mez some of the time.19:54
tartleyI think such a list will help with recruiting, too. Point people at it and say 'choose something off here', so they know exactly what will be involved by volunteering.19:55
qwrightI'll do stuff on wiki19:55
pinnertartley: good idea19:55
fuzzymanpinner: what's the period on the twitter reflector?19:55
qwright...relating to Tech Team19:56
pinnerfuzzyman: seconds to low number of minutes, assuming Twitter's not crashed19:56
fuzzymanok19:56
fuzzymanposted something 7 minutes ago19:56
fuzzymandoes it  drop recursive tweets?19:57
zethI think we need some point of contact, me or someone else19:57
fuzzyman(sorry - irrelevancy really)19:57
zethbecause asking people to do things doesn't seem to work quickly19:57
* Mez is in on the Tech Team, and can help whenever. but can't make it for the first sunday19:58
zethI am suggesting that you all put all of these tasks in a wiki list19:58
pinnerwill you *all* put areas where you need help on the wiki VolunteersByActivity page? (which probably needs reworking)19:58
zethand I chase people19:58
zethor someone chases people19:58
pinnerACTION All needing help to put requirements on wiki19:59
qwrighthttp://wiki.europython2009.eu/Helping19:59
zethproblem we have had is we ask volunteers, we get volunteers and they talk to a list, and then give up19:59
zethMaybe I am being too harsh though20:00
qwrightor is it: http://wiki.europython2009.eu/VolunteersByActivity ??20:00
pboddieSee Laura's list from previous years, too: http://www.europython2008.eu/Volunteers20:00
pinnerwho's going to ask on europython@python.org20:01
pinnerpboddie: it's a bit late for that! It's just the things 'on-the-day' we're lacking now20:01
zethOkay I need to get off campus, I will be home and hopefully online again in 20 mins20:02
pinnerzeth: good night, I will be gone by then20:03
zethnight20:03
pinnerACTION pinner to mail wuropython list with request for help, after updating membership20:03
pinnerTOPIC Sponsorship20:04
pinnerMicrosoft have not got the budget, but we've not given up hope yet...20:04
pinnerNo response from Canonical or Sun20:04
pinnerI asked Qt, no response yet20:05
* Mez is surprised @ no response from Canonical20:05
pinnerdboddie_office: any feedback?20:05
dboddie_officeI saw our contact today, but he didn't say anything.20:05
MrTopfHi! As for video, it needs some budget to really make it happen I believe20:05
MezMrTopf: video? poke tony whitmore :D20:06
MrTopfwho is Tony? :)20:06
pinnerMez: Canonical have gone quite on both sponsorship and involvement20:06
dboddie_officepinner: I'll chase him up about it.20:06
pinnerdboddie_office: thanks20:06
pinnerCanonical sponsored PyCon US $3000, but haven't responded to us, even though they promised a reply20:07
pinnerand I've reminded them20:07
qwrightWe need a sponsors and exhibitors co-ordinator...20:07
qwright.. to liaise with sponsors and exhibitors on the day(s)20:08
pinnerand Steve Alexander doesn't reply to emails about involvement with the conference20:08
qwrightjp tells me that's what a champion is20:09
pinnerso we'll keep plugging away...20:09
pinneryes, we need someone to hold the sposnors' hands and keep them happy on the day...20:09
pinnerhelp them with stand space, handouts, etc etc20:09
pinnerany one volunteering?20:10
qwrightor can think of anyone who might enjoy it???20:10
dboddie_officeSomeone who likes networking and who is looking for a job. ;-)20:11
fuzzymanhehe20:11
fuzzymanwhat day will the duty start?20:11
tartleywe can't pay for this role, is that right?20:11
qwrightyou mean social networking20:11
lacWhen jacob gets home I can see if he wants to be sp0nsor hand holder20:11
pinnerfuzzyman: Monday pm?20:11
lache often likes doing such things.20:11
fuzzymanI'm not looking for a job but if it doesn't clash with my tutorial I can do it20:12
lacjacob has a tutorial as well20:12
fuzzymanhappy for Jacob to do it - I can be a fallback20:12
fuzzymanor we can job share20:12
lacwell, I am onoy promising to ask him, not volunteering him .... :)20:12
fuzzymansimpler if you just volunteer him20:12
qwrightit doesn't have to be one person20:12
fuzzymansaves complications later20:13
pinnerso problem solved - jacob22 if he does as told, sorry, asked ;-) with fuzzyman as fallback20:13
Mezpinner: who's your contact there?20:13
pinnerwe'll leave a decision on that to the next meeting, after lac has discussed with jacob2220:14
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pinnerMez: Cezzaine Haigh promised to gte back by a month or more ago.20:14
pinnerTOPIC Social Programme20:14
pinnerThe Partners' Programme is in hand! I saw their notes from last night's meeting20:15
Mezqwright: when would I be needed for the tech team - I'm not booked in for the tutorial days, and am on a course on one of them20:16
pinnerAs far as anything else is concerned, we have the Australian Bar reserved for Monday and Tuesday nights20:16
lacI had an idea for social program.  I like to eat dim sum.  It's not available where I live.  I'd like to go out with others for dim sum.  Maybe others would as well.20:16
pinnerand otherwise we'll just let it happen20:16
Mezpinner: getting someone to check whetner20:16
pinnerlac: no problem20:16
lacIt is a lunch thing.  question is it located too far from the conference?20:16
MezCezzaine Haigh is on holiday20:16
fuzzymanbrb20:16
Mezpinner: Word from the canonical staff is if you can't get a hold of Cezzaine, try Kat Kinne20:17
pinnerlac: we have 90 minutes for lunch. It's a 15 minute walk, so you have time20:17
pinnerMez: thanks20:18
Mezpinner: one sec, lemme c/p20:18
Mez18:17 <mrevell> Okay, regarding an existing conference you probably want to speak to Kat Kinnie, if you can't get Cezz20:18
Mez18:17 <Mez> kat.kinnie@canonical.com ?20:18
Mez18:17 <mrevell> so, kat.kinnie@canonical.com20:18
Mez18:17 <mrevell> yeah :)20:18
pinnerlac: Also you have the other days (sprints and tutorials)20:18
Mez18:17 <mrevell> failing that gerry.carr@canonical.com20:18
Mez18:17 <mrevell> try Cezzaine first though20:18
Mez18:17 <mrevell> if they haven't already pinged/chased her20:18
pinnerMez: thanks to you and Matthew20:19
Mezpinner, happy to help :D but I have to go now20:19
pinnerwe could do with a list of local hostelries for the delegate bags20:20
pinnerMez: good night, and thanks :-)20:20
pinnerTOPIC AOB20:20
pinnerI have  none20:20
tartleyI have used beerintheevening for stuff like that in the past? Perhaps the locals could use it for inspiration?20:20
tartley(lists of pubs)20:20
lacI have one thing.20:21
lacI found somebody who has a working alternative version of faster python.20:21
lache is to present at EuroSciPy.20:21
lacI would like to ask him to drop an abstrract in, so that if we have room20:21
lacdue to drop outs we can put him in.20:21
lacIs the system up?20:21
pinnerlac: yes, but orphaned20:22
pinnerlac: and we will have spare slots20:22
lacok then, shall I tell him that there is room? he would like 30 minutes.20:22
pinnerbecause of Ukraine visas and Jum Hugunin20:22
lacJim cannot make it? oh rats. I seem to have missed that20:22
fuzzymanback20:23
pboddieHow about a VM shootout?20:23
pinnerlac: see earlier20:23
pinnerpboddie: are you volunteering?20:23
pinnerlac: he can probably have 4520:23
pinnerlac: looks interesting20:23
fuzzymana VM panel sounds like a good idea20:24
pinneryeah, good20:24
lacdid he say why he withdrew?20:24
fuzzymanwe have PyPy, IronPython, CPython, Jython and the new implementation20:24
fuzzymanunavoidable work conflicts20:24
pinnerlac: too busy20:24
lacalas.20:24
fuzzymanhe was very apologetic but that's no help20:24
* pboddie can't really think this through right now, but nudges fuzzyman into the spotlight.20:24
* pboddie has to go.20:25
fuzzymanI'm happy to organise a VM panel if it is wanted - but don't think it's a keynote20:25
lacwhat is the url for talk submissions again?20:25
* pinner needs to go as well20:25
pboddiefuzzyman: It's all of the above plus that Glasgow bloke and anyone else who has one up their sleeve.20:25
fuzzymanthat glasgow bloke was the one I meant20:25
pinnerso shall we fix the next meeting, one week's time?20:25
fuzzymanok20:26
* pboddie is off.20:26
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lacthere will be another person coming who has one20:26
fuzzymanshould I submit a VM panel as a talk or should we leave it until next week?20:26
pinnerI may have trouble attending because I'm away teaching20:26
lacsubmit it as a talk and20:26
tartleyis someone already producing the list of hostelries? Or should I volunteer to do that tonight?20:26
lactell me the url again for making a new submission20:26
tartleyIs there a Birminham local I could liase with to give my list the once-over?20:27
tartleyok 1 week20:27
fuzzymantalk submission url20:28
fuzzyman?20:28
tartleyhttp://www.europython.eu/submission/20:28
pinnertartley: me if you want20:28
tartleythanks John. It shouldn't take a moment of your time.20:29
* pinner needs to go now, if you have anyything for me speak now!20:29
lactake care john and thank you20:29
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* qwright good night20:30
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* fuzzyman waves at John20:31
fuzzymantoo late20:31
tartleybye all!20:31
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mattiOK OK21:06
mattiHome.21:06
mattiSorry for the delay.21:06
mattiI need to make some food.21:40
lactake care matti21:49
SafPlusPlusHmmm... Seems I need to readup on a bit of a backlog... :)23:09

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