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| pboddie | lac: How is everything going? You're going to PyCon Italia, too, aren't you? | 19:16 |
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| lac | everything is going fairly well. I am going to take a few days of vacation in Italy, around PyCon Italia. | 19:22 |
| lac | we're also going to make a major product release and start selling our stuff as a service to end user customers | 19:23 |
| lac | so things are crazy, but then what else is new | 19:23 |
| lac | how are things with you? | 19:23 |
| pboddie | Fairly busy. | 19:25 |
| pboddie | Have been rather out of the EP loop, but I suppose things are getting done. | 19:25 |
| pboddie | At least that's what I gather from reading the logs. ;-) | 19:25 |
| lac | John has been working extremely hard. | 19:26 |
| lac | and we have tons of talks this year. | 19:26 |
| lac | I think too many, myself | 19:26 |
| pboddie | I don't envy John, really. I wouldn't want to organise EP on the ground. | 19:26 |
| lac | He's good at this sort of thing, and does it for PyCON UK, and LinuxExpo and other things | 19:27 |
| pboddie | But having more talks than the last two years is a real change. I thought we didn't have enough. | 19:27 |
| LarstiQ | lurking I gather variety is a problem though. | 19:27 |
| lac | 86 talks and tutorials now. | 19:28 |
| lac | yes, very heavy on testing this year | 19:28 |
| pboddie | I haven't really got a good overview of the talk selection - I guess europython-talks is a discontinued list now, so I can't check that for more details. | 19:28 |
| LarstiQ | I wonder what is to be said about testing, I've been disappointed in the testing talks I've glanced at in Vilnius | 19:29 |
| pboddie | But I think that there's a vocal Web/testing/packaging contingent in the Python community that expands to fill all space if allowed to. | 19:29 |
| pboddie | If you browse my Python Papers article, you'll see that I don't exactly favour the "mainstream" talk topics, either, really. | 19:30 |
| * LarstiQ nods | 19:32 | |
| * pboddie worries that the PyPy team might be upset that he did not choose any of their talks amongst the picks | 19:32 | |
| * pboddie does not worry so much that GvR's keynote didn't make it into his favourites, however | 19:33 | |
| lac | the TIP list (testing in python) | 19:33 |
| lac | has gone nuts with discussion, cross polination, and the like. | 19:34 |
| lac | so some of the talks come from this. | 19:34 |
| * pboddie is blissfully unaware of the TIP list | 19:34 | |
| lac | I don't think that the PyPy people mind. They only had one talk, after all. | 19:34 |
| pboddie | There's always a risk of repetition, although PyPy seems to be on a roll again after the last sprint. | 19:35 |
| pboddie | Even GvR made light of his Py3K keynotes at PyCon, I note. | 19:35 |
| LarstiQ | heh :) | 19:38 |
| lac | the Jit has been making steady progress. Unfortunately its not the sort of thing that you can talk about. | 19:38 |
| LarstiQ | I must say the three versions I saw of the py3k talks _were_ different, but yes. | 19:38 |
| pboddie | Maybe it's a publicity thing - I always worry about that. That we don't interest the right people. | 19:38 |
| lac | 30 percent of the new JIT is integrated, we still don't know how fast it is, 42% of the new JIT is .... and so on and so forth makes for boring commentary | 19:39 |
| lac | the other thing is that everybody in the PyPy team likes writing code about 5000 times as much as making a release | 19:39 |
| lac | we need to attract somebody who likes making releases. They must exsit somewhere ... | 19:40 |
| pboddie | I would have been interested in getting the ShedSkin guy along to EP at some point, thinking of alternative Python-like implementations. | 19:40 |
| pboddie | I thought the VM panel at PyCon was a bit narrow-minded when half the fun is surely in investigating the boundaries of what Python is, not setting every last dodgy detail in concrete and trying to make it go fast. | 19:41 |
| lac | yes, the shedskin guy would be very interesting | 19:42 |
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| pboddie | I mean, Michael Salib of Starkiller fame seemed like a good bloke and everything, but Mark Dufour has stuck with the idea, at least. | 19:43 |
| * LarstiQ likes making releases | 19:43 | |
| pboddie | Seeing if something has merit is what it's all about. | 19:43 |
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| * lac points LarstiQ at the #pypy channel | 19:44 | |
| lac | Hi marius. | 19:44 |
| LarstiQ | lac: I am however, as everyone, chronically short on time. | 19:44 |
| pboddie | LarstiQ knows it's safe to declare such things in the appropriate channel. | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | hi lac | 19:44 |
| LarstiQ | mgedmin: .se? | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | yup | 19:44 |
| lac | He's working for us this week. Lucky us. | 19:45 |
| LarstiQ | aah :) | 19:45 |
| pboddie | mgedmin: Not defected to Sony Ericsson, then? ;-) | 19:45 |
| LarstiQ | hahaha | 19:45 |
| * mgedmin prefers Python's syntax to Erlang's | 19:45 | |
| zeth | Poo I missed yet another meeting yesterday | 20:48 |
| zeth | that is two in a row | 20:48 |
| pboddie | Bad Zeth! | 21:02 |
| pboddie | Anyway, I'm sure you'll catch up with everything. | 21:05 |
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| lac | zeth: hope life goes well with you | 21:26 |
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