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| LarstiQ | does someone perhaps has .rst source for an rst2s5 presentation to share for how to do things? *glances at Tv* | 13:32 |
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| LarstiQ | hello, btw :) | 13:32 |
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| dreimark | LarstiQ: http://wiki.python.de/User_Group_Köln/VortragMoinMoinEinfuehrung, http://wiki.python.de/User_Group_Köln/VortragPyGTKEinfuehrung | 14:11 |
| dreimark | LarstiQ: you get these examples by searching for text tgz on the wiki | 14:12 |
| dreimark | http://wiki.python.de | 14:12 |
| LarstiQ | dreimark: thanks! | 14:51 |
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| Tv | LarstiQ: let me know if you still want mine | 16:47 |
| Tv | mine's usually a bit more customized about CSS etc | 16:47 |
| Tv | simple tricks like | 16:50 |
| Tv | .. |br| raw:: html | 16:50 |
| Tv | <br/> | 16:50 |
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| LarstiQ | Tv: yes please :) | 17:48 |
| * LarstiQ is also looking for a math mode that works in html, not just tex | 17:49 | |
| LarstiQ | but that is probably a bit more work than just looking at other presentations | 17:49 |
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| Tv | LarstiQ: sphinx has a jsmath thingie | 17:59 |
| Tv | that might work as the basis of that | 17:59 |
| Tv | LarstiQ: give an email address maybe? i'll mail you some sources | 17:59 |
| LarstiQ | Tv: thanks, I'll take a look. http://www1.american.edu/econ/itex2mml/mathhack.rst seems suboptimal | 18:00 |
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| pinner | Hello! | 19:01 |
| nickbooker | Hi | 19:02 |
| pboddie | Hello everyone! | 19:05 |
| pinner | Hello Paul | 19:05 |
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| pinner | Hello Jonathan | 19:06 |
| tartley | hello there | 19:06 |
| pinner | just 4 of us, pboddie, nickbooker, tartley and pinner | 19:06 |
| pinner | but I think we should start and get through the light stuff | 19:07 |
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| pinner | maybe more people will show up | 19:07 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 19:07 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 19:07 |
| nickbooker | PRESENT | 19:07 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 19:07 |
| tartley | PRESENT | 19:07 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 19:08 |
| pinner | APOLOGIES Martin_Hellwigg possibly en-route to NL | 19:08 |
| lac | PRESENT | 19:08 |
| pinner | APOLOGIES Ciaran_Mooney working on his degree | 19:08 |
| pinner | APOLOGIES moreati IRC blocked at work, may join us later | 19:09 |
| pinner | Hello Laura | 19:09 |
| pinner | any more apologies? | 19:09 |
| pinner | TOPIC Review Actions from Last Meeting | 19:09 |
| pinner | Partners Programme - Mesdames Green and Pinner have agreed to put something together | 19:10 |
| lac | jacob is around. I told him to go type 'present'. | 19:10 |
| pinner | Wiki improvements page - is there one? | 19:10 |
| pboddie | There's a WikiToDo page which I hijacked. | 19:11 |
| pboddie | http://wiki.europython2009.eu/WikiToDo | 19:11 |
| pinner | Wiki publicity page - has had some material added, eg tartley's PyCon US EP Publicity LT | 19:11 |
| pboddie | I managed to get an article in The Python Papers, and since they publish articles as they go, it's up for everyone to read already. | 19:12 |
| lac | great | 19:12 |
| pinner | pboddie: Thanks, I'd missed that (the todo page) | 19:12 |
| pinner | OK, so that's all happening, at least a little | 19:13 |
| pboddie | I think we miss some of the "buzz" on the Web site that we had last year, really. Before, it was really easy to add news to the front page. | 19:13 |
| jacob22 | PRESENT | 19:13 |
| pinner | pboddie: it's not difficult now, if you have a login, like last year. | 19:14 |
| pinner | pboddie: I'll set you up with one | 19:14 |
| pboddie | I meant on the main site, though. There wasn't a distinction between main site and Wiki last year. | 19:14 |
| pboddie | I think that blog updates should also appear prominently, too. We did that last year as well. | 19:15 |
| pinner | pboddie: I couldn't add things to the site last year, it was a bit frustrating. | 19:15 |
| pboddie | Anyway, those are just my observations about the front page - it's a bit static, that's all. | 19:17 |
| pinner | pboddie: you have a login to the site and can update it. have you lost your password? | 19:17 |
| pboddie | pinner: I don't think I've really logged in more than once. I tend to edit things wherever I am, however - not necessarily in the comfort of my own computer. | 19:19 |
| pinner | pboddie: we'll discuss this more outside the meeting, OK? | 19:20 |
| pboddie | OK. | 19:20 |
| pinner | TOPIC Registration | 19:20 |
| voidspace | PRESENT | 19:20 |
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| voidspace | sorry I'm late just got in from work | 19:20 |
| pinner | I put the status report up at wiki.europython.eu/Organisers earlier | 19:20 |
| qwright | same here! | 19:21 |
| pinner | Hello Michael | 19:21 |
| pinner | Hello Q | 19:21 |
| qwright | Hi John | 19:21 |
| voidspace | Hello Q | 19:21 |
| pinner | Currently 173 delegates IIRC | 19:21 |
| voidspace | Hello John | 19:21 |
| voidspace | Hello everyone | 19:21 |
| voidspace | is that a healthy number? sounds good to me | 19:21 |
| qwright | voidspace: Hi! | 19:21 |
| pinner | qwright: are u present? | 19:22 |
| qwright | PRESENT | 19:22 |
| pinner | voidspace: extremely healthy at this stage | 19:22 |
| voidspace | great | 19:22 |
| pinner | but we should not be complacent: we need the schedule done on schedule then publicise heavily, Item 5 | 19:23 |
| pinner | TOPIC Talks | 19:23 |
| lac | I hve many things I would like to bring up. | 19:23 |
| pinner | lac, tartley report? | 19:23 |
| tartley | ok | 19:24 |
| tartley | shall I do a quickie? | 19:24 |
| * lac nods | 19:24 | |
| tartley | lac and I finished reviewing everything that had been submitted | 19:24 |
| lac | we got some new additions, since then. | 19:24 |
| tartley | we marked most things 'accept with desire to clarify / improive' | 19:24 |
| tartley | thanks, I hadn't seen. | 19:24 |
| lac | some of the last ones we could only mark as proofread. | 19:25 |
| lac | we would basically have to rewrite the abstract | 19:25 |
| pinner | I think we're expecting one more submission, lac knows about this | 19:25 |
| pinner | then we should close submissions | 19:25 |
| tartley | right, plus one in which I've requested clarification about the submitter having python experience 'since april 2009' - may be a typo | 19:25 |
| lac | well, were you expecting Andy Robinson to drop one in today? | 19:25 |
| pinner | lac: yes, two | 19:26 |
| pinner | lac: 1 talk, 1 tutorial | 19:26 |
| tartley | we got our 'general feedback' message drafted, and have started drafting individual responses for cases that require much discussion | 19:26 |
| voidspace | has Trent Nelson done his Snakebite proposal? | 19:26 |
| voidspace | he was threatening to | 19:26 |
| tartley | I haven't seen it yet | 19:27 |
| lac | not yet | 19:27 |
| lac | and I have 1 talk and one tutorial that I am expecting | 19:27 |
| lac | I have all my responses drafted except for the newbies, Christian Tismer's and Patrick Büchlers | 19:28 |
| lac | both of these abstracts need a lot of work. | 19:28 |
| pinner | well, assuming we accept them all, and I haven't seen a bad one, we will be somewhere near saturation | 19:28 |
| lac | but I am currently very worried that we have more talks that we want. | 19:28 |
| lac | because as good as these talks are, we cannot let them eat up the LT space | 19:29 |
| lac | so how much time do we really have for talks. | 19:29 |
| pinner | lac: did you see my summary last night? | 19:29 |
| lac | and how does this compare to the time we have received. | 19:29 |
| lac | I don't rember seeing this question answered. | 19:30 |
| voidspace | we shouldn't be afraid to reject some talks even if they are good | 19:30 |
| jacob22 | How many parallel tracks can we run? 3 or 4? | 19:31 |
| pinner | I think, at the moment, we can accommodate all the submissions we want (I want to stop one of the Pyjamas one) with 4 rooms | 19:31 |
| pinner | jacob22: 4 is the intention, 5 or 6 is possible but maybe not desirable | 19:31 |
| qwright | I guess it affects the costs | 19:32 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Probably not. 4 is about what people can handle. | 19:32 |
| lac | how much time are we reserving for LT? for panel discussions? for code clinic | 19:33 |
| pinner | what we may have forgotten in the equation is that maybe 10 submissions are for tutorials and held before the conference | 19:33 |
| lac | for keynotes | 19:33 |
| lac | tartley: what was your talk number (excluding tutorials) in minutes? | 19:33 |
| pinner | lac: I suggest for LT 2.5 hours, keynotes 4 hours | 19:33 |
| voidspace | lac: has anyone submitted any panel proposals? | 19:33 |
| voidspace | if there are none proposed then we don't have any | 19:34 |
| voidspace | they should be treated like other submissions | 19:34 |
| lac | not having any is probably a bad idea, given that so many people want to talk about testing | 19:34 |
| pinner | voidspace: Bruce Eckel wants to do a panel | 19:34 |
| pboddie | There was a BoF/talk proposal, although that's arguably deeper than panel material (Web client programming). | 19:34 |
| lac | I think that 2.5 hours for LT is very much too short a time | 19:35 |
| lac | what did we have in the past? I think more than 4 hours | 19:35 |
| lac | spread over several days | 19:35 |
| lac | right now we have a problem, in that if you do not care about web frameworks or testing or alternative python implementations | 19:36 |
| LarstiQ | pboddie: is that our (Treparel) httplib client one? | 19:36 |
| lac | then there is very little at the conference for you | 19:36 |
| pboddie | LarstiQ: Yes, I guess so. | 19:37 |
| pinner | lac: 1 hour last day and 1.5 hour previous day last year, not 4 hours | 19:38 |
| voidspace | lac: hmmm... if people don't submit talks on alternative subjects then what can we do? | 19:38 |
| voidspace | And I mean, who doesn't care about testing? ;-) | 19:38 |
| lac | there is nothing we can do, but we must have room for people to meet and discuss other things. | 19:39 |
| pinner | well, it's always been web-centric | 19:39 |
| pinner | even though only 10% of Python programmers work with web stuff, apparently | 19:39 |
| pinner | and we can only accept what is proposed | 19:39 |
| voidspace | open-space room is good | 19:40 |
| voidspace | it worked very well at PyCon this year | 19:40 |
| lac | well, in terms of testing, if you are already a nose convert, there are no nose talks here, so you may not want to attend a lot of the testing talsk in any case | 19:40 |
| lac | yes but I am thinking we may need several OS rooms. | 19:40 |
| voidspace | it helped that the open-spaces area was well promoted | 19:40 |
| pboddie | There's definitely a vocal minority (or silent majority) problem with Python, in my opinion. | 19:40 |
| lac | we may also want a demo room, where people can just go and demo their software | 19:41 |
| pinner | lac: we can have more rooms if we want, with capacities of about 40 | 19:41 |
| lac | Ok. Because the conference is looking exceptionally unbalanced to me this year. | 19:42 |
| pinner | lac: and there is a multitude of practice rooms suitable for suppliers to meet customers | 19:42 |
| pinner | lac: I think it's always been unbalanced, but that's because of pboddie's silent majority | 19:43 |
| pinner | IDEA I think we get the general feel and further discussion should take place in the TSC | 19:43 |
| lac | I suspect that some of the quiet majority simply don't want to give a talk. Demo'ing 'what I have been working on lately' may work for them instead | 19:43 |
| lac | I would like to shut down accepting new talks very soon | 19:43 |
| pboddie | Certainly, I've never been too inclined to give a talk because I think there's an expectation that whatever you present has to be a finished article that everyone should approve of. | 19:43 |
| pinner | lac: good idea, let's encourage them in the publicity | 19:44 |
| pboddie | And there are a lot of preconceptions about what is "good" in the Python community. | 19:44 |
| pinner | lac: I waish to stop accepting talks this week | 19:44 |
| lac | I was thinkng more like a sign on the door 'What I have been working on lately' | 19:44 |
| pboddie | Lightning talks appeal better to the people who just want to show what they've done without people complaining about it not being Django, or whatever. | 19:45 |
| lac | Ok. Have we already made any sort of decision as to how long we are going to go between breaks? | 19:45 |
| pinner | VOTE Stop accepting talks Saturday 25th April | 19:45 |
| voidspace | +0 | 19:45 |
| lac | +1 | 19:45 |
| pboddie | +0 | 19:45 |
| tartley | +1 | 19:45 |
| lac | earlier would be even better in my opinion | 19:45 |
| nickbooker | 0 | 19:46 |
| voidspace | hehe - those who have to do the work are in favor... | 19:46 |
| pinner | +1 | 19:46 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:46 |
| tartley | I mean we can officially stop accepting but still work in any 'invited speakers' who crop up if we change our mind, can't we? | 19:46 |
| pboddie | There should be voting vectors incorporating weights for the actual workers. | 19:46 |
| pinner | DECISION Stop accepting talks Saturday 25th April | 19:46 |
| pinner | tartley: yes | 19:47 |
| pinner | and there are always the laggards who you want to accept and leave it until the last minute, like Raymond Hettinger last year | 19:47 |
| pinner | Continue this discussion in TSC | 19:48 |
| pinner | Talks software - in progress, pickle production outstanding | 19:48 |
| lac | qwright: have you sent acceptances out to your people yet? | 19:48 |
| qwright | lac:some not all, some will need to be chased | 19:49 |
| pinner | lac: I'm dealing with Luke Leighton, God help me | 19:49 |
| * lac comforts pinner | 19:50 | |
| pinner | Talks discussion to continue in TSC, please | 19:50 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 19:50 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig can't be here, but we're seeing him Saturday I think so we can continue then | 19:51 |
| pinner | Has any one here got any publicity ideas? | 19:51 |
| pinner | If so, please put them on the wiki Publicity page | 19:52 |
| pinner | tartley: your PyCon Lightning talk went well | 19:52 |
| pinner | has everyone seen it? | 19:52 |
| tartley | thanks, all your content. | 19:52 |
| pboddie | Yes, I liked the bit with the Microsoft update dialogue. Very funny! | 19:53 |
| tartley | hoho | 19:53 |
| tartley | you wouldn't believe how hard it was making sure that would happen just then. | 19:53 |
| pinner | tartley: a master of planning, looking forward to your talk schedule ;-) | 19:54 |
| tartley | excellent. | 19:54 |
| pinner | TOPIC Tech Team | 19:54 |
| pinner | APOLOGIES mez but he's able to help with tech team | 19:55 |
| qwright | We have spoken to the Conservatoire re more bandwidth | 19:55 |
| pinner | yeah, and we're putting in a third 8Mb ADSL line, right? | 19:55 |
| qwright | yes -- that's the general idea, it should do, although I don't know what streaming requirements will be | 19:56 |
| pinner | Regarding recording talks, Ciaran is up for this again if he has help | 19:57 |
| pinner | and as for streaming, that is right outside my comfort zone | 19:57 |
| pboddie | MrTopf? | 19:57 |
| pinner | how did MrTopf do last year? | 19:57 |
| qwright | I need to know whether we intend to do more than just provide web access and wi-fi | 19:57 |
| pboddie | I don't think streaming was possible in the end. | 19:58 |
| tartley | I know nothing about streaming, but am happy to help with dogsbody tasks for AV | 19:58 |
| pinner | as organisers, web access and wiki are fundamental, anything else is icing on the cake | 19:58 |
| qwright | I'd like to get power coverage a little better | 19:59 |
| pinner | except that GvR has agreed to do a live chat - not a full keynote - but we're not to publicise it so no one will expect it and he won't be stressed if it doesn't work | 19:59 |
| pinner | so we need bandwidth for that | 19:59 |
| lac | you also need to practice this with Google | 20:00 |
| qwright | well we could organise a dedicated line | 20:00 |
| pboddie | Can we book that bloke to interrupt his session like he did last year? ;-) | 20:00 |
| lac | it took 1 hour of their tech guy talking to our tech guy to get it to work last year | 20:00 |
| pinner | lac: no Google are out of the frame, they have no kit apparently. The idea is to use Skype or somesuch | 20:00 |
| lac | so you need to plan this | 20:00 |
| pboddie | And then GvR can give him abuse, and the bloke can say, "I was only looking for an argument!" | 20:00 |
| lac | ah | 20:00 |
| qwright | lac: what do we need to practice with Google? | 20:01 |
| pinner | we used Skype at UKUUG in November across to Germany and it worked OK | 20:01 |
| lac | qwright: nothing aparantly | 20:01 |
| qwright | lac: !! | 20:01 |
| pinner | so we need to practice direct with GvR | 20:01 |
| lac | I thought this would be a connect-to-google session, and that takes special work | 20:01 |
| lac | well if it is just skype, that takes less work | 20:02 |
| qwright | what is connect-to-google? | 20:02 |
| lac | google has its own whole multi-media film studio like thing | 20:02 |
| lac | if you want to talk to it, you need to practice. | 20:02 |
| lac | it's not straightforward, or like anything else. | 20:02 |
| qwright | why should we want to talk to it? | 20:03 |
| lac | but apparantly that is not the plan for this year | 20:03 |
| pinner | OK, so we have a gap in knowledge on streaming | 20:03 |
| lac | because I thought that was how GvR would be coming to us. | 20:03 |
| lac | but it seems I made a bad assumption. | 20:03 |
| pboddie | He's done Skype interviews before now from his home, only his son interrupted that one! | 20:04 |
| pinner | I liked the PyCon US lightning video, so it would be 'a good thing' (TM) to have something similar, biu otherwise I'm not bothered | 20:04 |
| pinner | biu -> but | 20:04 |
| qwright | Well we can easily test skype | 20:04 |
| pinner | OK, shall we ask for streaming volunteers on the list, and see what happens? | 20:05 |
| qwright | Yes | 20:05 |
| pinner | Like lots of volunteers who'll work their socks off | 20:05 |
| pinner | ACTION qwright to ask for video recording/streaming volunteers | 20:06 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 20:06 |
| lac | speaking of volunteers, that person from I think the netherlands was back yesterday. he said he would show up | 20:06 |
| lac | today, but I guess he forgot. he still wants to help | 20:06 |
| qwright | lac: who he? | 20:07 |
| lac | where should I send him when he shows up again? | 20:07 |
| pinner | Sponsorship is a little slow. I got the PO from Google | 20:07 |
| lac | trying to get his name now ... | 20:07 |
| qwright | pinner: PO - postal order? | 20:07 |
| pinner | and invoiced them - to Bratislava, part of their tax avoidance strategy I guess | 20:07 |
| pinner | qwright: Purchase Order | 20:08 |
| qwright | Makes a change from Ireland and/or Bermuda? | 20:08 |
| pinner | no news yet from Microsoft | 20:08 |
| qwright | Postal orders are used for small monetary sums (smile!) | 20:08 |
| lac | he is Klaas111 on irc | 20:09 |
| pinner | nor Sun, and they haven't paid their PyCon UK bill from September yet... | 20:09 |
| qwright | Maybe we should approach Oracle | 20:09 |
| pinner | We already have sponsorship from Oracle! | 20:09 |
| qwright | ... but not the Sun bit.. | 20:10 |
| pinner | ReportLab wish to sponsor in return for doing the software for conference packs, I assume that's OK | 20:10 |
| qwright | OK | 20:10 |
| pboddie | qwright: Oracle bought all Sun's debt as well. :-) | 20:10 |
| lac | 'conference packs'? | 20:11 |
| pinner | jacob22, lac, I think one of you was going to ask the PSF after PyCon had died down, any progress? | 20:11 |
| pboddie | The stuff that goes into the bags? | 20:11 |
| lac | I was going to, and I haven't done it yet. | 20:11 |
| pinner | yes, in the bags | 20:11 |
| lac | you mean he wants to put software into the bags? | 20:12 |
| jacob22 | pinner: I was asked to ask lac to talk to them. | 20:12 |
| pinner | like talk abstracts, speaker bios, directtion, local attractions etc | 20:12 |
| pboddie | lac: I guess he means the nice formatting that makes the printed stuff that goes into the bags. | 20:12 |
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| lac | he wants to do our printing. Ok. Here is a rule for Andy Robinson. Tell the man that you need things much | 20:13 |
| pinner | lac: OK, probably the time is ripe now, don't know when their next meeting is | 20:13 |
| lac | earlier than you really do | 20:13 |
| lac | otherwise it will be late. | 20:13 |
| pinner | lac: he won't do the printing, just the pdf's | 20:13 |
| pinner | lac: I know him well, I think he's Zeth's brother ;-) | 20:14 |
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| jacob22 | On sponsorships, I've received mail from Kit Blake at Infrae. He'd like to make a £300 sponsorship. | 20:14 |
| moreati | hi all, sorry I'm late | 20:14 |
| lac | hi moreati. type 'present' | 20:14 |
| pinner | jacob22: good | 20:14 |
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| moreati | PRESENT | 20:14 |
| pinner | Hello Alex, I guess you're at home then | 20:14 |
| moreati | just, bloody buses | 20:14 |
| pinner | No more sponsorship ideas? | 20:15 |
| pinner | ACTION chase your own potential sponsors | 20:15 |
| pinner | TOPIC Budget | 20:16 |
| pinner | I've been getting some more costs together | 20:16 |
| pinner | and moreati and I will plug them into the budget when we meet on Saturday | 20:16 |
| moreati | pinner: yes | 20:16 |
| pinner | together with some assumptions on sponsors | 20:17 |
| qwright | So more detail next time? | 20:17 |
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| pinner | I suggest we work on a figure of 300 delegates as a baseline | 20:17 |
| pinner | Hello Klaas111 | 20:17 |
| Klaas111 | Klaas says hi | 20:17 |
| pinner | your ears must have been burning | 20:17 |
| Klaas111 | thanks lac for inviting me over | 20:17 |
| qwright | I'd guess we need a break-even number of delegates.... | 20:18 |
| pinner | Klaas11 - type 'present' to tell the bot you're here please | 20:18 |
| Klaas111 | present | 20:18 |
| nickbooker | that's PRESENT, the bot's case sensitive | 20:18 |
| Klaas111 | PRESENT | 20:18 |
| nickbooker | thanks :) | 20:18 |
| lac | thank you. | 20:18 |
| Klaas111 | how can I read up on the discussion so far? | 20:19 |
| Klaas111 | i.e. of this meeting? | 20:19 |
| pinner | qwright: we'll see on Saturday | 20:19 |
| lac | - http://mg.pov.lt/europython-irclog/ | 20:19 |
| lac | get today's date | 20:19 |
| pboddie | Yes, the logs are mentioned in the channel topic. | 20:20 |
| pinner | I don't think we can discuss the budget much more until moreati and I have done that work | 20:20 |
| * pboddie has to leave shortly, but will be around later/tomorrow | 20:20 | |
| moreati | other than to check people could get the spreadsheet uploaded to the admin wiki | 20:20 |
| pinner | ACTION moreati and pinner to refine the budget and look at breakeven numbers | 20:21 |
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| pinner | MrTopf: hello, we need to discuss video with you, let's do it at the end of the meeting as we've finished with that topic | 20:22 |
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| pinner | Lord, I hope MrTopf's video is more reliable than his IRC connection ;-) | 20:23 |
| pinner | TOPIC Social Activities | 20:23 |
| pinner | We have two partners who have agreed to put a Partners Programme together, after only a little arm-twisting | 20:24 |
| pinner | ideas are :trip to chocolate factory, canal outing, art gallery and (brace yourselves( shopping... | 20:25 |
| tartley | wot no CAMRA crawl? | 20:25 |
| pinner | Evening socials - we're asking the local group to put together an evening programme | 20:26 |
| voidspace | heh | 20:26 |
| pinner | tartley: CAMRA for the partnets | 20:26 |
| * pboddie is heading off, apologising as he does so. | 20:26 | |
| pinner | partners | 20:26 |
| * pinner wave to pboddie | 20:26 | |
| lac | I was asked to make a request. Some people want to know if Birmingham has a good technical bookstore | 20:26 |
| lac | and directions to it. | 20:26 |
| lac | and hours. | 20:27 |
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| pinner | lac: if it still has one, it's very close | 20:27 |
| moreati | lac: Do a big Borders and Waterstones count as good? | 20:27 |
| pinner | lac: we have Waterstones, 10 minutes walk, but I'm out of date on this, I think the one I used years ago has shut, or been taken over | 20:28 |
| lac | probably. Can you browse books, this is what some of us can no longer do, and we want to. | 20:28 |
| moreati | pinner: there are 2 watersones, one on New Street the other by the Bullring | 20:28 |
| pinner | moreati: will you research this? | 20:28 |
| moreati | pinner: I'll email the list. | 20:29 |
| lac | and they might want to sponsor us as well, when you find them | 20:29 |
| lac | never hurts to ask at any rate | 20:29 |
| pinner | lac: I think we're having two bookstalls at the conference: Pearson (Manning etc) as well as o'Reilly | 20:29 |
| lac | sounds good to me. | 20:29 |
| pinner | memo chase Pearson for sponsorship | 20:29 |
| pinner | back to social evenings programme, any requests to pass on to social group? | 20:30 |
| pinner | I'll take that as a No, then. Maybe socialising is not a geek requirement ;-) | 20:31 |
| moreati | karaoke ? | 20:31 |
| tartley | nope. previous pycon-uk events have been good | 20:32 |
| pinner | moreati: with your voice? | 20:32 |
| tartley | kareoke gets a -1 from me, but then I am grumpy bugger | 20:32 |
| moreati | ouch, but still yes | 20:32 |
| pinner | Actually I was hoping we might get a group together, but that may be fantasy | 20:33 |
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| pinner | Martin on guitar, nick on keyboards maybe | 20:33 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 20:34 |
| Klaas111 | I guess that's me | 20:34 |
| pinner | Anyone? | 20:34 |
| tartley | a guitar-hero / rock-band style group? kareoke obsoleted at a stroke! | 20:34 |
| lac | yes, see how we can put klaas to work | 20:34 |
| Klaas111 | I'm trying to get up to speed here | 20:34 |
| Klaas111 | I guess I could do some plugging in the Dutch python community | 20:34 |
| Klaas111 | unless that 'position' is already taken | 20:34 |
| lac | are you, by any chance, a streaming video expert? | 20:35 |
| pinner | Klaas111: please do | 20:35 |
| lac | that job is very much open. | 20:35 |
| Klaas111 | @video: nope | 20:35 |
| * lac snaps her fingers | 20:35 | |
| lac | rats! | 20:35 |
| lac | :) | 20:35 |
| pinner | I think that publicising and arm twisting in the NL community would be very valuable | 20:36 |
| pinner | I think we have 5 Dutch delegates so far, there could be more | 20:36 |
| lac | so do I | 20:36 |
| Klaas111 | there's a Dutch user group meeting on the 30th of May | 20:37 |
| Klaas111 | that's a bit late... but I'll do a short talk there anyway | 20:37 |
| pinner | faassen would be a good starting point for advice, I think | 20:37 |
| lac | and kit blake | 20:37 |
| lac | if you know them | 20:38 |
| Klaas111 | Faassen yes | 20:38 |
| pinner | Klaas111: if there's a meeting on 30th May, there will be discussion beforehand, I guess | 20:38 |
| pinner | and at the meeting you can copy tartleys presentation, without the MS interjection | 20:39 |
| Klaas111 | ok | 20:39 |
| pinner | look at wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/ | 20:39 |
| Klaas111 | ok | 20:39 |
| pinner | and we can provide printed posters as well | 20:39 |
| Klaas111 | wow | 20:39 |
| pinner | anyone wanting printed posters let me know, as we're about to order some, A4 and A5 versions | 20:40 |
| pinner | I've sent some down to the ACCU conf today | 20:40 |
| lac | Jacob and I should bring some to PyCON Italia | 20:40 |
| lac | but it is probably easier for us to just print on our own laser printer | 20:41 |
| pinner | lac: definitely, and give a Lightning Talk | 20:41 |
| pinner | lac: the professionally printed ones might be better (not a slur on your printing abilities) | 20:41 |
| Klaas111 | I'll print locally too | 20:41 |
| lac | yes but delivering to me may be a hassle | 20:42 |
| Klaas111 | unless you've got some real fancy ones and don't mind delivering them | 20:42 |
| Klaas111 | sending them that is | 20:42 |
| lac | if you want to, you have my address? | 20:42 |
| pinner | and postage does not require that you take out a mortgage (yet) | 20:42 |
| lac | :) | 20:42 |
| pinner | lac: you registered, didn't you, so I have your address | 20:42 |
| voidspace | pinner: will you be at ACCU? | 20:43 |
| pinner | voidspace: no, ca't afford the time or money, in the middle of payroll updates | 20:43 |
| voidspace | right | 20:43 |
| pinner | Any more Any Other Business? | 20:44 |
| lac | none from me | 20:44 |
| moreati | no | 20:44 |
| tartley | nor me | 20:44 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 20:44 |
| pinner | May 5th 1700 BST, 1800 CEST | 20:45 |
| pinner | OK? | 20:45 |
| qwright | +1 | 20:45 |
| moreati | ok | 20:45 |
| nickbooker | ok | 20:45 |
| tartley | yes | 20:45 |
| voidspace | ok | 20:45 |
| lac | Jacob and I need to check, either that day or the 7th we go to Italy | 20:45 |
| pinner | lac: are you checking now? | 20:46 |
| lac | 7th | 20:48 |
| lac | so 5th is ok | 20:48 |
| pinner | DECISION Next Meeting May 5th 1700 BST, 1800 CEST | 20:48 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
| pinner | but stay around if you want to chat | 20:48 |
| * pinner will be around for 5 minutes | 20:49 | |
| tartley | coolio | 20:49 |
| pinner | Thanks everyone for coming | 20:49 |
| pinner | I think we going along quite nicely | 20:49 |
| pinner | We'll feel better when the talks are scheduled | 20:50 |
| tartley | lac: question... | 20:50 |
| tartley | lac: Can I send you some of my more 'delicate' talk submission feedback / requests just for double-checking that I'm wording things in the most constructive way? | 20:50 |
| tartley | lac: I've started sending some of the least contraversial ones, which just consist of the general feedback taken from the wiki page | 20:51 |
| pinner | so if lac is at PyCon Tre, we'l have to do quite a bit before then if we are to publish a programme on schedule (14th May) | 20:51 |
| tartley | right. I don't know anything about the talk data wrangling software | 20:52 |
| tartley | Should I get up to speed with it? | 20:52 |
| tartley | Does it eat the data from Django? | 20:52 |
| pinner | you don't need to just yet | 20:52 |
| tartley | ok then, i'll relax. *ahhhhh* | 20:53 |
| pinner | yes it does take data from Django | 20:53 |
| moreati | tartley: IIRC it goes django -> pinner_script -> pickle -> pinner_script2 -> html | 20:53 |
| pinner | Django has to be wrangled to produce the pickles, and nick is doing that this week | 20:53 |
| pinner | tartley: and you have an example dictionary for the timetable | 20:54 |
| moreati | pinner: I'm understanding the badge script better know, so I can take requests | 20:54 |
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| pinner | and I will do one for tutorials | 20:55 |
| pinner | moreati: oh good, I'd promised it to the French for PyCon FR | 20:55 |
| pinner | Hello Tommi, you've missed the meeting ;-( | 20:56 |
| * pinner is getting ready to go | 20:56 | |
| pinner | Nick has done the minutes and they're on the wiki! | 20:57 |
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| moreati_jab | moreati: test jabber to irc | 20:59 |
| moreati | excellent If mibbit fails again, I shoud be able to use Google Talk | 21:00 |
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| tartley | alright, I'm outta here, thanks one and all. | 21:02 |
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| jacob22 | Something to amuse those who are still around: http://www2.openend.se/~jacob/cartoon.jpg | 22:10 |
| LarstiQ | jacob22: heh | 22:13 |
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