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| lac | I am here now | 14:54 |
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| Tartley_ | hi all | 14:57 |
| lac | hi Johathan | 14:59 |
| Tartley_ | Hi there l.a.c. :-) | 14:59 |
| lac | fun site I found today http://www.tweenbots.com/ | 14:59 |
| Tartley_ | oh yeah - har! brilliant | 14:59 |
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| pinner | Hello! | 15:00 |
| lac | Hi John | 15:00 |
| pinner | lac: Are you in black? | 15:01 |
| Tartley_ | lac: that is really fun, thanks. | 15:01 |
| pinner | lac: for the GothConf? | 15:01 |
| lac | GothCon is not about Goth the vampire look. It's because this is Gothenburg. Its the oldest gaming conference in the world | 15:02 |
| lac | as far as I know | 15:02 |
| pinner | lac: Just joking ;-) | 15:02 |
| lac | 33 years old this year. | 15:02 |
| pinner | so it's just the 3 of us here? | 15:03 |
| lac | so far at any rate | 15:03 |
| pinner | quality, not quantity! | 15:04 |
| pinner | so do we start? | 15:05 |
| lac | ok by me. | 15:06 |
| Tartley_ | sure | 15:06 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 15:06 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 15:06 |
| lac | Tartley: we tried to do more on Thursday, but only succeeded in giving me 2 talks, | 15:06 |
| lac | PRESENT | 15:06 |
| Tartley_ | PRESENT | 15:07 |
| Tartley_ | gotcha, thx | 15:07 |
| lac | 31 and 32 | 15:07 |
| lac | ok | 15:07 |
| lac | so we are at 33 now. | 15:07 |
| Tartley_ | understood | 15:07 |
| pinner | TOPIC Introduction to RobotFramework | 15:07 |
| pinner | Looks OK to me, may have to reduce it from 60 to 45 minutes | 15:07 |
| lac | What is our character limit for titles? | 15:08 |
| Tartley_ | he spells atdd wrong inte title. i'll fix that | 15:09 |
| Tartley_ | in the des, I mean | 15:09 |
| lac | in the abstract too, | 15:09 |
| Tartley_ | desc | 15:09 |
| Tartley_ | oh yeah, got it | 15:09 |
| lac | he has it wrong 2 times and right once. hmmm. | 15:10 |
| lac | my other problem with it is that I would have expected from its name to be a framework for programming robots | 15:10 |
| lac | can we make a more descriptive title? or is that not needed | 15:11 |
| Tartley_ | like 'acceptance testing using robotframework' | 15:11 |
| Tartley_ | or 'with' | 15:11 |
| pinner | agreed | 15:11 |
| pinner | assign to you, Jonathan? | 15:12 |
| Tartley_ | sure | 15:12 |
| Tartley_ | got it. Next? | 15:12 |
| pinner | DECISION Accept Talk 33, assign to tartley_ | 15:13 |
| pinner | TOPIC Text-based Acceptance Testing | 15:13 |
| lac | we have to consider this will the tutorial | 15:14 |
| pinner | lac: have we had Geoff Bache before?I remember Emily from Goteborg | 15:14 |
| lac | yes. | 15:14 |
| lac | They are married | 15:14 |
| pinner | lac: I'd assumed so | 15:15 |
| lac | And Geoff has talked about TextTest before. | 15:15 |
| Tartley_ | Dumb question: I didn't see the new 'accepted by' field last time. Is this intended to store the talk's 'champion' ? | 15:15 |
| pinner | lac; Tutorial for only 45 minutes? | 15:15 |
| pinner | tartley_: no, but that would be sensible | 15:15 |
| Tartley_ | alright, I'll hold off, can discuss that later | 15:16 |
| lac | no tutorial is 36 | 15:16 |
| lac | 38 is the first part of 36 cut out and made into a shorter talk | 15:16 |
| pinner | DECISION Use 'Accepted by' field for Champion | 15:17 |
| Tartley_ | hooray. thx. | 15:17 |
| lac | so are we going to have tutorials before or after or running concurrently with talks | 15:17 |
| Tartley_ | I'll populate them all after this meeting | 15:17 |
| pinner | ACTION nick to change field title | 15:17 |
| pinner | lac: before for >= half-day tutorials | 15:18 |
| pinner | lac: could have short ones in body of main conference | 15:18 |
| lac | Ok, so how this would work, then, is that Geoff gives his tutorial | 15:18 |
| lac | and then some other day he gives the first part again, as a talk. | 15:19 |
| pinner | lac: yes, that would work well | 15:19 |
| lac | well, the other would work better, I think, because people who got a taste could sign up for the tutorial | 15:20 |
| lac | but that's now how things are. And I have no idea how many people will be interested anyway. | 15:20 |
| lac | He keeps talking about this stuff at the local python users group, and I still think that text testing tools are | 15:20 |
| pinner | point taken, but not practical this year | 15:21 |
| lac | in general not what you want, except to check that your documentation is working, and then | 15:21 |
| lac | doctest is better. So what happens if we offer a tutorial and nobody much is interested? | 15:21 |
| lac | do we cancel it? | 15:21 |
| pinner | lac: yes | 15:21 |
| lac | Ok. | 15:22 |
| pinner | lac: We would have some sort of minimum number, say 8 | 15:22 |
| lac | Then my earlier objection to having the tutorial duplicated in the talk goes away. | 15:22 |
| lac | I now think that accepting both the talk and the tutorial is a fine idea. | 15:22 |
| pinner | lac: and make it clear to tutors that they have to reach that number | 15:22 |
| lac | this means we have to decide on the number. | 15:23 |
| pinner | lac: and *if* we pay them per student they have an incentive to market it | 15:23 |
| lac | are we expecting the students to pay? | 15:23 |
| pinner | lac: they are paying | 15:24 |
| lac | ah, I did not know that. I think I had better learn this stuff. what url? | 15:24 |
| pinner | the decision on minimum numbers can wait | 15:24 |
| lac | ok. | 15:25 |
| pinner | http://europython.eu/registration | 15:25 |
| pinner | early bird tutorials is £70 | 15:25 |
| pinner | and we might pay tutors, say £25 per student per full day | 15:26 |
| lac | Ah, and I remember that now. | 15:26 |
| pinner | provided that they meet conditions like having tutorial notes/handouts | 15:26 |
| pinner | OK, so we're accepting this one, right? Champion lac? | 15:27 |
| * lac nods | 15:27 | |
| pinner | DECISION Accept Text-based Acceptance Testing talk, and Hands-on testing with TextTest tutorial, champion lac | 15:28 |
| Tartley_ | can I suggest that each champion adds their own name to today's discussed items in 'accepted by', since they are most likely to be messing with and saving changes to other fields anyway | 15:28 |
| Tartley_ | Earlier I meant I'll populate field for all previously discussed ones. I think that is least confusing way to do it. | 15:28 |
| pinner | tartley_: good idea(s) | 15:29 |
| lac | Tartley_: ok by me | 15:29 |
| pinner | DECISION champion adds their own name to discussed items and edits them | 15:29 |
| Tartley_ | next then, PyUseCase: | 15:29 |
| pinner | TOPIC PyUseCase: Testing PyGTK GUIs | 15:30 |
| Tartley_ | right, :-) | 15:30 |
| pinner | I wish it handled PyQt | 15:30 |
| pinner | Testing seems to have taken over from Zope as the favourite topic | 15:31 |
| lac | indeed. | 15:31 |
| Tartley_ | Right, and wish it handled IronPython Windows.Forms for me. sounds cool. | 15:32 |
| lac | Have we even seen a Zope talk? | 15:32 |
| pinner | lac: I think so, can't remember who | 15:32 |
| Tartley_ | PyUseCase looks good though. How about the usual caveat to try being a bit more explanitory in the Desc: field. | 15:33 |
| lac | indeed. I can tell Geoff that. | 15:33 |
| pinner | testing guis: I'm not sure why this can't be more general, at least on Linux, they all use X after all | 15:33 |
| Tartley_ | hmmmm... yes, one would suspect so. Maybe they can, with some work. | 15:33 |
| pinner | lac: shall we ask him to address that issue (portability) | 15:34 |
| lac | sounds like a fine idea. | 15:34 |
| Tartley_ | maybe a few words on that from him would inspire ppl in audience to chase it up | 15:34 |
| pinner | But it sounds like we're all happy with this one, accept, assign to lac and move on? | 15:35 |
| Tartley_ | yes, good. | 15:35 |
| * lac nods | 15:35 | |
| pinner | DECISION Accept PyUseCase: Testing PyGTK GUIs, assign to lac | 15:35 |
| pinner | TOPIC GIL isn't evil | 15:36 |
| pinner | Russel is a very competent, entertaining and controversial speaker | 15:36 |
| lac | cool. | 15:37 |
| lac | because he is likely to be preaching to the lynch mob, here. :) | 15:37 |
| pinner | and I suggest we accept both his talks, I wonder if we need to ask for any more detail | 15:37 |
| pinner | lac: he'll like that | 15:37 |
| lac | great. | 15:37 |
| lac | But could you image this happening to, say Geoff French? | 15:38 |
| Tartley_ | Minor: CSP needs expansion. | 15:38 |
| lac | some people wouldn't want this result .... | 15:38 |
| pinner | lac: Geoff would not like it! | 15:38 |
| pinner | I'll take Russel's talks if you want, he needs to discuss his kit anyway | 15:39 |
| Tartley_ | oh: and: I assume that was lac assigned to all three of Geoffrey Bache's? | 15:40 |
| pinner | tartley_: yes | 15:40 |
| pinner | DECISION Accept GIL isn't Evil, assign to pinner, explain CSP | 15:41 |
| pinner | TOPIC SCons the Builder | 15:42 |
| pinner | I think this is advocating using a Python tool instead of make | 15:42 |
| pinner | he's given the talk before, to a C++ audience, but I've never seen it | 15:42 |
| Tartley_ | great, could be really handy thing to find out about. Usual caveats? | 15:43 |
| Tartley_ | Shall I take this one? | 15:44 |
| * lac says go right ahead | 15:44 | |
| pinner | tartley_: if you wish? | 15:44 |
| Tartley_ | actually, I'm not sure the desc needs any more specifics | 15:44 |
| Tartley_ | does it? | 15:44 |
| pinner | I don't think so | 15:44 |
| Tartley_ | alright then. | 15:44 |
| pinner | DECISION Accept SCons the Builder, assign to tartley | 15:45 |
| lac | I don't know if he is going to talk about his particular tool, or about a family of them | 15:45 |
| Tartley_ | I guess it sounds pretty 'scons' specific to me, albeit with some context about how dynamic languages change the game somehow. shall I get him to clarify that then? | 15:46 |
| pinner | lac: the whole history, I think make -> ant -> SCons | 15:46 |
| pinner | tartley_: yes, I think so | 15:46 |
| Tartley_ | ok. makes sense. thx. | 15:46 |
| pinner | TOPIC Things I helped create | 15:46 |
| lac | what I want to know is who should attend. People who want to learn how to use Scons? People who want a history of it? | 15:46 |
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| lac | Hi Samuele | 15:47 |
| pinner | lac: let tartley ask him to expand on audience | 15:47 |
| pedronis | lac: hi | 15:47 |
| pinner | Hello Samuele! | 15:47 |
| pedronis | hello | 15:47 |
| pinner | back to faassen's talk | 15:48 |
| Tartley_ | got it. | 15:48 |
| Tartley_ | hi samuele | 15:48 |
| pinner | pedronis: we're discussing Talk 39, Things I helped create, from Martijn faassen | 15:49 |
| lac | I think we can accept this as it stands. | 15:49 |
| pinner | Good to have a talk from faassen, looks a bit philosophical | 15:49 |
| pinner | I'd like to see him giving a short tutorial on elementtree as well | 15:50 |
| pinner | lac: agreed | 15:50 |
| pedronis | maybe he was inspired by ian bicking talk at pycon | 15:50 |
| pinner | al | 15:50 |
| lac | l was talking to him earlier about the hurry.resource talk, so I can talk to him about this one, too | 15:50 |
| pinner | pedronis: i THINK IT PREDATES | 15:50 |
| lac | shall I ask him for an elementtree tutorial as well? | 15:51 |
| pinner | pedronis: ... predates that | 15:51 |
| pinner | lac: yes, I take it that this is assigned to you then? | 15:51 |
| lac | makes things tidy, at any rate | 15:51 |
| * pedronis everything is inspired by everything, in any order | 15:51 | |
| pinner | DECISION Accept Things I helped create, assign to lac | 15:51 |
| pinner | TOPIC Jumping worlds with Python | 15:52 |
| lac | This seems to be an orphan talk -- no other talks I have read seem to go well with it. But it sounds good to me. | 15:53 |
| pinner | Makes a change: glueing libraries, not apps | 15:53 |
| pinner | sounds like 'Python in Action' to me | 15:54 |
| pinner | he has good credentials | 15:54 |
| pinner | the more that people use Python for these odd tasks, the more they're likely to use it for full-blown apps | 15:55 |
| pinner | we could partner it with Talk 44 'Python as a glue language' | 15:56 |
| * lac nods | 15:56 | |
| pinner | tartley_: are you happy with it? | 15:57 |
| lac | at any rate there are always the odd ones that stick out. | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | out of interest, are we happy with the number of talks each person is getting. Do we want to shift direction on that. | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | but yes, I am happy with it | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | figures thus far are: | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | qwright & pinner4 | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | tartley12 | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | lac18 | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | 42 | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | pinner3 | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | moreati1 | 15:57 |
| Tartley_ | qwright2 | 15:58 |
| Tartley_ | (the 42 is 'assigned to no-one yet) | 15:58 |
| Tartley_ | I'm happy, but wondering if I should / could take more, since it's eminintly something I *can* do, and there are doubtless a million others I can't | 15:58 |
| Tartley_ | as in other things I can't do | 15:58 |
| lac | I am in the same position, being that I am not in Birmingham | 15:59 |
| pinner | I'm trying to keep my talks low, but I think moreati could take more if he wants, and what about... | 15:59 |
| lac | I thought that moreati had 2, actually | 16:00 |
| pinner | pedronis: do you want to take an active role? | 16:00 |
| Tartley_ | ok, well i guess it helps me to make explicit what we had all i guess understood anyway, pinner should only take on ones where there is good reason for him to do so. | 16:00 |
| Tartley_ | lac: should we count on divvying them up (which means I have some catching up to do) | 16:00 |
| lac | I know that Samuele is insanely busy. | 16:00 |
| Tartley_ | apart from the odd ones which make a lot of sense to go to other people | 16:01 |
| Tartley_ | which is sort-of informally what we've been doing | 16:01 |
| Tartley_ | I was just wondering if everyone was happy with that | 16:01 |
| lac | (I keep assigning him the work that makes him so.) | 16:01 |
| Tartley_ | sounds like they are | 16:01 |
| Tartley_ | alright. I'll try to catch up with lac. | 16:01 |
| Tartley_ | cool | 16:01 |
| lac | this is fine with me | 16:01 |
| * pedronis is lurking, really, honestly | 16:01 | |
| pinner | Shall I add pedronis to the staff anyway? | 16:01 |
| pedronis | at the conference? | 16:02 |
| pinner | pedronis: no, the Django talks system | 16:02 |
| Tartley_ | cool. I'm happy. I can take Jumping worlds. We can proceed AFAIK | 16:02 |
| pedronis | pinner: no, Laura is quite right, I'm quite busy, supposedly resting right now | 16:03 |
| pinner | pedronis: OK, I'll not add you | 16:04 |
| pinner | where were we? Jumping Worlds I think | 16:05 |
| Tartley_ | yes. I am happy to take it | 16:05 |
| pinner | DECISION Accept Jumping worlds with Python, assign to tartley | 16:05 |
| Tartley_ | sounds potentially interesting | 16:05 |
| Tartley_ | I guess my intererst would be piqued more if he mentioned some of the types of problems they found and overcame | 16:06 |
| Tartley_ | I'll mention that to him. | 16:06 |
| * lac nods | 16:06 | |
| pinner | I need to stop soon, one more talk for me, no reason why you shouldn't carry on though | 16:06 |
| pinner | TOPIC Zope Page Templates | 16:06 |
| lac | accept the talk. Needs a more expanded abstract | 16:08 |
| lac | which basically says who would be interested in ZPT | 16:08 |
| pinner | I know nothing of Zope, but he seems to have the experience | 16:08 |
| lac | why should you use them in your project? | 16:08 |
| Tartley_ | right - i was just thinking same thing - what can they be used for | 16:08 |
| pinner | the trouble with all Zope talks I've been to is that they assume familiarity with Zope and its culture | 16:09 |
| pinner | so maybe be need to tell him to avoid that trap | 16:09 |
| lac | yes, well this talk is supposed to be for people outside of the culture. | 16:09 |
| pinner | especially if they are hist target! | 16:10 |
| Tartley_ | Alright. Sounds very fair. | 16:10 |
| lac | and we had better let him know that his audience can be expected to never even have heard of ZPT before | 16:10 |
| pinner | lac: looks like he should be assigned to you, then | 16:10 |
| lac | I'm fine with this. | 16:11 |
| pinner | DECISION Accept Zope Page Templates, assign to lac | 16:11 |
| pinner | I need to leave now, is that OK with you guys? | 16:11 |
| Tartley_ | I'm alreday typing a precis of what you just said into the reviewer comments, do you want me to hit 'update' on this one? | 16:11 |
| pinner | tartley_: OK with me | 16:12 |
| lac | yes, I am happy with your precis | 16:12 |
| lac | and you can take the talk if you like. | 16:12 |
| pinner | I'll stay logged on for a bit though | 16:12 |
| Tartley_ | yes, that's ok. bye! | 16:13 |
| Tartley_ | lac: and sure, I'll take a few at least until I catch up with your number of assigned talks. | 16:13 |
| Tartley_ | alright. Can anyone say 'topic' ? | 16:14 |
| lac | take care John | 16:14 |
| lac | you mean the freenode /topic for this channel? | 16:14 |
| lac | or things like DECISION | 16:15 |
| lac | or ...? | 16:15 |
| Tartley_ | yes, things like DECISIO? | 16:15 |
| lac | anybody can do this. | 16:15 |
| Tartley_ | alright then | 16:15 |
| Tartley_ | TOPIC The Coder's Dojo | 16:15 |
| Tartley_ | ? | 16:15 |
| lac | do you want the ZPY talk? of so we need to redo DECISION | 16:16 |
| lac | er ZPT | 16:16 |
| Tartley_ | ah. didn't see that | 16:16 |
| Tartley_ | yes then, might as well | 16:16 |
| lac | cause now it is officially mine | 16:16 |
| Tartley_ | DECISION assign Zope Page Templates to tartley after all | 16:16 |
| lac | okay. The Dojo is a tutorial like thing. | 16:17 |
| lac | Emily has run several | 16:17 |
| Tartley_ | sounds very interesting indeed, to me | 16:18 |
| lac | They can be fun. But it gets chaotic if you have top-down-design and bottom-up-design | 16:19 |
| lac | people all trying to do what they would each call 'a tiny exercise' about the same problem | 16:19 |
| Tartley_ | alright. If she has done it before presumably she provides sufficient guidance to circumvent. We can mention it to her as a concern? Or is she all over it? | 16:19 |
| lac | but that will be Emily's problem, not ours. Oh she knows all about it. | 16:20 |
| Tartley_ | har har. alright then. | 16:20 |
| lac | It happens at our local python meetup all the time. | 16:20 |
| lac | so accept the tutorial, assign to me? | 16:21 |
| Tartley_ | Alright, superb. Sounds like the London python meetup should try something like that. I'll look forward to emily's thing a lot, if I can then. | 16:21 |
| lac | well, then, maybe you should take it. | 16:21 |
| Tartley_ | I'd love to | 16:22 |
| lac | There is no law that I get all the Göteborskas | 16:22 |
| lac | :) | 16:22 |
| lac | DECISION assign the Coder's Dojo to Tartley, and accept it | 16:23 |
| Tartley_ | thanks | 16:24 |
| Tartley_ | TOPIC Clean Code Challenge | 16:24 |
| Tartley_ | it's emily again, so I'm happy to take this too | 16:25 |
| lac | oh, and the decription is too short. its sort of 'goals' | 16:25 |
| lac | that was for the Dojo | 16:25 |
| Tartley_ | right | 16:25 |
| lac | this looks like fun, too. | 16:26 |
| Tartley_ | definitely | 16:26 |
| Tartley_ | I infer it | 16:27 |
| lac | DECISION assign clean code to Tartley, and accept it | 16:27 |
| Tartley_ | I infer it's in good hands, but the same caveat applies, use the description to sell / describe the talk more, and the abstract to summarise content | 16:27 |
| * lac nods | 16:27 | |
| lac | This seems to be the general pattern. | 16:28 |
| Tartley_ | possibly cut'n'past part of absract to desc will perfectly sufficient in this case | 16:28 |
| Tartley_ | ok | 16:28 |
| lac | Thus we need to make the talk submission app explain this more, I think, for next year | 16:28 |
| Tartley_ | right. I'll add that to the wiki after we finish up | 16:29 |
| lac | TOPIC Python as a Glue Language | 16:29 |
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| lac | This talk really needs a longer title. | 16:30 |
| Tartley_ | right | 16:31 |
| lac | I wonder if we really cannot do something about that limitation. | 16:31 |
| lac | Because its not about Python as a general glue language at all, and is of interest, as far as I can tell, only to VIM users | 16:31 |
| Tartley_ | yes exactly | 16:32 |
| Tartley_ | dissapointment on both sides: people who went, AND poeple who missed it | 16:32 |
| lac | exactly. | 16:32 |
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| lac | will | 16:33 |
| lac | the visual_studio.vim plugin | 16:33 |
| lac | fit? | 16:33 |
| lac | how many letter do we have anyway? | 16:33 |
| Tartley_ | I'm not sure | 16:34 |
| Tartley_ | 56 | 16:35 |
| lac | Aha, I tried, and it fit | 16:35 |
| lac | now for capitalisation | 16:35 |
| Tartley_ | Is the limit on the input field for new talk submission | 16:35 |
| lac | well, that wasn't the limited when martijn submitted the Hurry.Resource talk | 16:36 |
| lac | at any rate it is shorter than other titles we are accepting, so I changed it. | 16:37 |
| Tartley_ | right. we can even comfortable get: | 16:37 |
| Tartley_ | Python as a glue language: The Visual_Studio.vim plugin | 16:37 |
| Tartley_ | as one title | 16:37 |
| Tartley_ | I'll take it again, unless you really are interested / familiar with submitter | 16:39 |
| lac | you take it, I have changed the title, | 16:39 |
| Tartley_ | got iyt | 16:39 |
| Tartley_ | it | 16:39 |
| Tartley_ | incidentally. | 16:39 |
| lac | but I doubt that we really have this much room, and John or Zeth will come back and tell us that this will not print | 16:40 |
| Tartley_ | is it worth cajoling people to provide timings, as a sort of assurance they know how long their talks are | 16:40 |
| Tartley_ | oh | 16:40 |
| Tartley_ | i see | 16:40 |
| Tartley_ | I thought it was specified to be just long enough for that | 16:40 |
| Tartley_ | I may be wrong | 16:40 |
| lac | I thought the same, but I also thought that it was somehting like 32 chars. | 16:40 |
| lac | so I need a real expert. | 16:41 |
| Tartley_ | I see. I'll email Zeth to ask. | 16:41 |
| lac | You can ask people for timings, but most people either already know it, in which case it is superfluous, or they don't, guess, and get it wrong | 16:41 |
| lac | making them guess and get it wrong can help their next presentation timing, but has little effect on this one | 16:42 |
| lac | same as estimating anything. | 16:42 |
| Tartley_ | fair enough. OK | 16:42 |
| lac | DECISION: accept Python as a glue language: The Visual_Studio.vim plugin, check the title length, assign to Tartley | 16:43 |
| Tartley_ | got it | 16:44 |
| Tartley_ | TOPIC Python Climate Data Publishing | 16:44 |
| lac | I have no idea about this talk. | 16:45 |
| lac | it is another orphan. | 16:45 |
| lac | I am fine with letting people discuss their research, though. | 16:46 |
| Tartley_ | is it worth, asking for a sort of overview of sections of the talk, | 16:46 |
| Tartley_ | the description sounds high level | 16:46 |
| Tartley_ | and I'd be more compelled to attend if I could see lower level detail of what the content was | 16:46 |
| lac | this would make sense. | 16:46 |
| lac | assign to you and have you ask him? | 16:47 |
| Tartley_ | yep | 16:47 |
| Tartley_ | TOPIC Introducing FluidDB | 16:49 |
| Tartley_ | ohno | 16:49 |
| Tartley_ | i did it again | 16:49 |
| Tartley_ | is it worth resetting the topic to the last one to log the decision | 16:50 |
| Tartley_ | or does it not track which topics decisions are made within? | 16:50 |
| Tartley_ | DECISION: accept Python Climate Data Publishing, assign to tartley, ask for more low-level info about talk content | 16:51 |
| lac | I think you have to retopic, but not sure. | 16:51 |
| lac | its just somebodys python script | 16:51 |
| Tartley_ | figured. live and learn. ok | 16:51 |
| lac | TOPIC introducing FluidDB | 16:52 |
| * pinner is lurking | 16:52 | |
| lac | John! how big in chars can a title be? | 16:53 |
| pinner | the script needs you to be systematic, it has no intelligence | 16:53 |
| lac | I am very interested in this talk. We did something similar, but not at the db level. Because people really want to | 16:54 |
| pinner | lac: we were aiming for 32 chars because that means that titles on the web page and especially the timetable are sensible | 16:54 |
| pinner | but I'm not sure what actually got implemented, I'll check... | 16:54 |
| lac | arbitrarily tag teir data and searches. | 16:54 |
| lac | So I think this talk will be very interesting to me. | 16:55 |
| Tartley_ | lac: right, clearly it's a hot topic, no doubt will be interesting. | 16:55 |
| Tartley_ | I think the desc. could steal some parts of the abstract, explaining why the DB is special. | 16:56 |
| Tartley_ | but that's minor | 16:56 |
| pinner | OK, in the submission screen Zeth limited title to 30 (obviously he doesn't think in hex), but in the | 16:56 |
| lac | do you want it? | 16:58 |
| Tartley_ | I'm very happy to take it. We're even now. for the record | 16:58 |
| pinner | talks nick has made it 80 for some reason. | 16:58 |
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| lac | pinner: should we make sure the titles fit in 32? | 17:02 |
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| Tartley_ | ohdear | 17:02 |
| Tartley_ | did you do a decision? | 17:02 |
| lac | not yet | 17:02 |
| Tartley_ | here it is: | 17:02 |
| Tartley_ | I was just thinking very minor suggestions about moving parts of abstract into description (about goals abd background of talk) | 17:03 |
| lac | sounds fine to me. | 17:03 |
| Tartley_ | and clarifying early on (maybe even in title) that this is one of those newfangled 'schemaless' databases | 17:04 |
| Tartley_ | because that will attract attention: people want to know about these things | 17:04 |
| lac | not sure if we have room in the title, as it is unclear if we have 80 chars or 32. | 17:04 |
| Tartley_ | ok | 17:04 |
| lac | but I am fine with the idea. | 17:04 |
| Tartley_ | DECISION: Accept Introducing FluidDB, assign to Tartley, minor shuffle of pertinent info higher into description | 17:04 |
| Tartley_ | cool? | 17:05 |
| lac | cool. | 17:05 |
| Tartley_ | TOPIC Twisted, AMQP and Thrift | 17:05 |
| Tartley_ | oh, by the way, how long do you have today? | 17:05 |
| Tartley_ | if we plan to keep going long, we could call a 'tea break' if you want to be civilised | 17:06 |
| Tartley_ | needs expansion of AMQP acronym - although there is a good description of it in 'glossary' at end | 17:08 |
| lac | I would like to make tea now, too | 17:08 |
| lac | I have an interesting time constraint. | 17:09 |
| Tartley_ | ok, lets boil a kettle each. How so? | 17:09 |
| lac | Jacob came back from skiing yesterday. | 17:09 |
| Tartley_ | ahar! | 17:09 |
| lac | He is asleep now. :) | 17:09 |
| lac | When he wakes up I should do things with him. | 17:09 |
| Tartley_ | alight. I'm laughing. | 17:09 |
| lac | But I have no clue when that will be. | 17:09 |
| Tartley_ | Very understandble, no problem. Well let's just work with that then, that's fine by me | 17:10 |
| lac | and i am not waking him up to check. | 17:10 |
| lac | So .... tea now. | 17:10 |
| Tartley_ | ok! | 17:10 |
| Tartley_ | back in a few mins. no hurry | 17:10 |
| lac | I am back now | 17:20 |
| Tartley_ | hey me too | 17:20 |
| lac | mine's rooibos. | 17:21 |
| Tartley_ | there's quite a bit to digest in 'Twisted AMQP and Thift' | 17:21 |
| Tartley_ | rooibos? | 17:21 |
| lac | african bush tea | 17:22 |
| lac | very tasty, no caffeine | 17:23 |
| Tartley_ | ahar! I see. Well alright. Mine's plain old Typhoo, what I would call "English Breakfast" type tea | 17:23 |
| lac | popularised by Alexander McCall Smith in the Lady's Detective Agency, and the subsequent | 17:23 |
| lac | sequels. | 17:24 |
| Tartley_ | I see. Very fancy. :-) | 17:24 |
| lac | Ok. I think that the Twisted AMQP and Thrift talk may need 1 hour. | 17:24 |
| Tartley_ | well alright, that doesn't sound unreasonable. | 17:25 |
| lac | I think there will be lots of discussion. | 17:25 |
| lac | I think we need to get Twisted defined for the program | 17:26 |
| Tartley_ | right. I agree. | 17:26 |
| lac | otherwise I think we should just go with it. | 17:27 |
| lac | and remember not to schedule it against fluidDB | 17:28 |
| Tartley_ | got it | 17:28 |
| Tartley_ | I have a (very small) list of 'constraints' - I'll add it to that now | 17:28 |
| Tartley_ | got that. Have typed up a 'reviewer comments' field. | 17:31 |
| lac | since you are doing this, you should do the decision: accept stuff | 17:31 |
| Tartley_ | right. good call. | 17:31 |
| lac | because you will know when you are done typing and I will not rush you | 17:32 |
| Tartley_ | planned decsn: Accept 'Twisted, AMQP and Thrift', assign to Tartley, extend to 1 hour slot, request includes brief explanation of Twisted, move some content from Abstact into decision, consider rewording both with review to 'audience' point of view | 17:33 |
| lac | great! | 17:33 |
| lac | and assign to Tartley | 17:34 |
| Tartley_ | DECISION: Accept 'Twisted, AMQP and Thrift', assign to Tartley, extend to 1 hour slot, request includes brief explanation of Twisted, move some content from Abstact into description, consider rewording both with review to 'audience' point of view | 17:34 |
| Tartley_ | got that | 17:34 |
| Tartley_ | cool | 17:34 |
| lac | I just cannot read. Sorry | 17:35 |
| pinner | titles : try to keep to 32, but don't | 17:35 |
| pinner | have to be slavish about it | 17:35 |
| Tartley_ | pinner: thanks, that's great to know | 17:36 |
| pinner | my daughter has arrived, so I've just popped in | 17:36 |
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| Tartley_ | TOPIC Test-O-Matic | 17:36 |
| lac | Ok, the abstract is what I would call the description | 17:36 |
| lac | in the abstract, I would like to know what this talk is going to do. | 17:36 |
| Tartley_ | agreed. | 17:37 |
| lac | write code? show off code? talk about philosophy? what? | 17:37 |
| lac | Also, what are we going to do about the photo? | 17:38 |
| lac | Leave it as is? | 17:39 |
| Tartley_ | the photo isn't a dealbreaker, imho, but I'd prefer a real headshot if we can | 17:39 |
| Tartley_ | maybe they don't want to. Should I sound out how receptive they sound to that. | 17:39 |
| Tartley_ | ie. submitting a real headshot? | 17:40 |
| lac | sounds like a good plan to me. | 17:40 |
| lac | It may be that they are just being silly. | 17:40 |
| lac | And, in general, I am in favour of silliness | 17:40 |
| Tartley_ | fair enough. I've never knowingly been against it, that's for sure. | 17:41 |
| lac | so do you want me to take this one? I think that you are ahead now. | 17:42 |
| Tartley_ | ok then. | 17:43 |
| Tartley_ | I have a 'reviewer comments' field mostly done though | 17:44 |
| Tartley_ | saved. | 17:45 |
| Tartley_ | oh, btw, I'm pretty much prefixing all my 'reviewer comments' with 'this is AWESOME, and the following changes would be good' | 17:46 |
| Tartley_ | in case we end up round-tripping this data back to the submitters | 17:46 |
| lac | I think maybe I would like you to go add such things for all the earlier talks, too. | 17:46 |
| Tartley_ | yeah | 17:46 |
| lac | If that isn't asking too much of you. | 17:46 |
| Tartley_ | I was thinking about it | 17:46 |
| Tartley_ | sure | 17:46 |
| Tartley_ | ok then, can do. | 17:46 |
| lac | ok, next item in my life, Jacob woke up. Informs me we have tickets to the opera for 1 hour 10 minutes from now | 17:47 |
| lac | this is news. | 17:47 |
| Tartley_ | oh goodness! That sounds great. alright then, sounds like we are done for now | 17:47 |
| lac | so how about we call it a night, then. | 17:47 |
| lac | meet tomorrow and finish the lot? | 17:47 |
| Tartley_ | yeah, sure... hang on | 17:48 |
| lac | (if we can) | 17:48 |
| Tartley_ | I think I can, either first thing (9am to 10am) or late afternoon (4pm onwards) London time | 17:48 |
| Tartley_ | remind me what our time offset is: I think it is 15:49 nowq | 17:49 |
| Tartley_ | now | 17:49 |
| lac | I am one hour later | 17:49 |
| Tartley_ | ok | 17:49 |
| lac | 10 am is fine with me, unless jacob wants to go kayaking. | 17:49 |
| lac | that's 9 am your time | 17:50 |
| Tartley_ | alright, lets try an hour in the morning then. got it. | 17:50 |
| Tartley_ | thanks | 17:50 |
| lac | if he does then | 17:50 |
| Tartley_ | have a great night! | 17:50 |
| Tartley_ | oh! | 17:50 |
| lac | I may bnot be here, but will be back for 1800 your time | 17:50 |
| Tartley_ | yeah, that's cool. email me if you can't make it. | 17:50 |
| Tartley_ | you have my address, right? | 17:50 |
| lac | (and quite possibly earlier). | 17:50 |
| Tartley_ | tartley at tartley dot com | 17:50 |
| lac | I know I sent something to get through your span | 17:50 |
| lac | er spam filter, but not sure it worked. | 17:51 |
| Tartley_ | I can't promise earlier. I have a whitelist. let me look at it. should I search for 'lac' | 17:51 |
| Tartley_ | ? | 17:51 |
| lac | I am mailing you now. | 17:51 |
| lac | searching for lac should work. | 17:51 |
| lac | I need to get changed now. | 17:52 |
| Tartley_ | alright. that's cool. I'll make sure you're on it. I can deal from here on. | 17:52 |
| Tartley_ | go have fun! | 17:52 |
| lac | I will let you know what my shedule is when I know it. ie I will either be here or there will be a note, gone kayaking, back at 1400 or soemthing | 17:53 |
| Tartley_ | all good. | 17:53 |
| Tartley_ | thanks laura! Pleasure working through it with ya. | 17:53 |
| Tartley_ | bye for now. | 17:54 |
| Tartley_ | i see your mail | 17:54 |
| lac | great | 18:03 |
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| CMooney | Hi | 23:47 |
| CMooney | If I send an annoucement email to the SciPy mailing list thats a "good thing", but is it worth asking for talk submissions? | 23:48 |
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