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lac | fuzzyman: did you talk with tartley about tonight? | 18:01 |
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lac | I am going to the store. back in 10 miunutes or so | 19:45 |
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moreati | pinner: evening | 19:56 |
pinner | Hello, I've had a senior moment and forgot | 19:57 |
pinner | What have I missed? | 19:57 |
moreati | Nothing, we're due to start in 3 minutes | 19:57 |
pinner | phew, that's OK then! | 19:58 |
pinner | been busy writing a new payroll report | 19:59 |
moreati | pinner: I'm struggling with my username and password though, could you remind/reset me? | 19:59 |
pinner | moreati: on the talks system? | 20:01 |
moreati | pinner: yes please | 20:01 |
moreati | pm or email should suffice | 20:01 |
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pinner | moreati: done. user moreati, pw email | 20:04 |
pinner | So who is here? | 20:05 |
moreati | pinner: thank you | 20:05 |
pinner | and who is in the chair? | 20:05 |
lac | evening | 20:07 |
pinner | hello Laura | 20:07 |
lac | has anybody heard from tartley? | 20:07 |
pinner | lac: not me | 20:07 |
moreati | lac: thank you for the math suggestions I'll try them over the weekend | 20:07 |
lac | you are most welcome. | 20:08 |
moreati | pinner: the email hasn't arrived yet, could you /msg me | 20:08 |
pinner | moreati: I meant the pw is your em address | 20:08 |
pinner | moreati: you can change it after | 20:09 |
lac | Do we know how much time we have to divide up? how many rooms X how many minutes? | 20:09 |
moreati | so done, I'm in | 20:10 |
lac | because we will have to see if we have too much material? | 20:10 |
lac | (in length) | 20:10 |
* pinner is tied up with something else for a few minutes, sorry | 20:10 | |
lac | it's ok John. | 20:11 |
lac | Another question -- is there any way to show just the tutorials, or just the talks, or just the 30 minute talks? | 20:12 |
moreati | lac: I think it will be easier to adjust the rooms to match the accepted talks than vice versa | 20:12 |
moreati | lac: not without I code change, I believe | 20:12 |
lac | moreati: that seems to imply that we can have as many rooms as needed. Then the question is how many tracks to we want to run in parallel when we are having parallel sessions. | 20:13 |
lac | I am reading all the abstracts now. has everybody else already read them? | 20:16 |
moreati | not yet | 20:16 |
lac | moreati: some people on edu-sig are discussing their experiences with SAGE, so you might want to read the archive for today over the weekend too. | 20:17 |
moreati | lac: okay | 20:17 |
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pinner | Basically, with the number of talks we have we can have an extra room if needed | 20:19 |
pinner | so the number is not a problem at the moment | 20:19 |
pinner | I'd intended to do a draft layout to establish the load before this meeting, but didn't have the time, sorry | 20:19 |
pinner | I've skim read the abstracts and I'm mostly happy | 20:21 |
moreati | our previous meeting log is http://mg.pov.lt/europython-irclog/%23europython.2009-02-28.log.html search for 'zem' with an m, to find the submission discussion | 20:21 |
pinner | We'll need to cut the numbe rof Luke Leighton Pyjamas talks, say from 4 to 2 | 20:21 |
pinner | and we may want David Jones to re-title 'Python Sucks' | 20:22 |
TheSheep | to 'Python Blows'? :) | 20:22 |
pinner | and advise the compiled Python guy that he should play down obscuring the source code, for this audience | 20:22 |
* pinner chuckles | 20:23 | |
pinner | TheSheep: maybe to 'What Sucks about Python' or similar | 20:23 |
moreati | Shall we go through the submissions in id order and use the ubuntu meeting structure? | 20:24 |
TheSheep | 'What one might maybe not like very much in Python' | 20:24 |
lac | I don't even think the talk is about that. Its 'Python, the Thief! or something, at least as I read the abstract | 20:24 |
pinner | moreati: sounds good to me. are you going to lead? someone else? | 20:25 |
lac | do we have any way of knowing if hartley is coming? | 20:25 |
moreati | okay I'll lead | 20:25 |
pinner | lac: I'll try a phone call to resolver | 20:25 |
nickbooker | lac: I've added a "by klass" filter to the talks list. | 20:25 |
moreati | #startmeeting | 20:26 |
moreati | PRESENT | 20:26 |
lac | PRESENT | 20:26 |
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pinner | PRESENT | 20:27 |
nickbooker | PRESENT | 20:27 |
moreati | TheSheep: present? | 20:27 |
pinner | no reply from Resolver yet | 20:28 |
TheSheep | PRESENT | 20:28 |
moreati | pinner: we'll just have to forge ahead | 20:28 |
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moreati | TOPIC 1 DSL for functional testing | 20:28 |
moreati | Looks like a solid proposal. Is 45 mins the right length? | 20:29 |
moreati | Given he's timed his sections down to the minute, I'd guess so | 20:30 |
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lac | looks like he knows what he is doing to me. | 20:31 |
lac | Vote? | 20:31 |
moreati | VOTE Accept DSL for functional testing | 20:31 |
lac | actually, we have done this one already, no? | 20:32 |
lac | we already accepted a bunch of them | 20:32 |
moreati | lac indeed we have, could you mark it as accepted in the admin interface? | 20:33 |
lac | let me go through the list then, I have it here | 20:33 |
* nickbooker made a mistake testing the Submission -> Talk,Speaker exporter, and hosed all the statuses | 20:33 | |
nickbooker | sorry ;) | 20:34 |
pinner | I've found tartley, no one had told him | 20:34 |
moreati | nickbooker: np | 20:34 |
pinner | he's joining us now | 20:34 |
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pinner | nickbooker: no problem, we approved the first 18 talks (provisionally) | 20:34 |
moreati | ENDVOTE | 20:35 |
tartley | Hey. Sorry to miss the invite. I'll skim the logs to catch up on this meet while you go ahead now... | 20:35 |
lac | I propose we just go to the first new ione | 20:35 |
pinner | so let's start at talk 18 (because faassen withdrew his hurry.resource) | 20:35 |
moreati | Although it appears the numbers are now different, what's now number 1 was lower down the list | 20:36 |
pinner | Talk 18 is Geoff French's 3d modeller, which we've tried to get him to do for the past 2/3 years | 20:36 |
pinner | moreati: the submissions had several tests that were deleted, the talks are renumbered from 1 | 20:37 |
pinner | moreati: and the talks reference the original submission | 20:37 |
moreati | pinner: can we trust that what are now numbered 1-18 we're the one's we approved? | 20:37 |
lac | http://pastebin.com/mdb97a73 | 20:37 |
lac | this is the list of the ones that are accepted | 20:37 |
moreati | Ah looks like 1-18 became roughly 18-1 | 20:38 |
lac | I am overjoyed that Geoff is giving the talk and want to vote it up with no hesitation. :) YIPPEE | 20:38 |
pinner | moreati: 1-17, I think, +/- 1 starting at 18 now is good enough, if we've missed one we'll put it right later | 20:38 |
moreati | okay | 20:38 |
moreati | TOPIC 18 gScuplt | 20:38 |
lac | vote YES | 20:39 |
tartley | PRESENT | 20:39 |
tartley | if that still works | 20:39 |
moreati | VOTE 18 gSculpt ACCEPT | 20:39 |
pinner | +1 | 20:39 |
lac | +1 | 20:39 |
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moreati | +1 | 20:40 |
pinner | IDEA Let's just accept them: only vote if there's doubt, should save some time | 20:40 |
moreati | pinner: okay | 20:40 |
moreati | ENDVOTE | 20:40 |
tartley | do we need to vote on that? :-) only joking | 20:41 |
lac | vote +1 on IDEA | 20:41 |
lac | :) | 20:41 |
tartley | oh | 20:41 |
lac | I was teasing. | 20:41 |
moreati | DECISION Accept 18 gSculpt | 20:41 |
moreati | TOPIC 19 Open Object Framework | 20:41 |
pinner | We also need to assign a committee member to each talk or speaker | 20:41 |
pinner | IDEA lac assigned to Geoffrey French | 20:42 |
tartley | if we assign as we go, I'll keep an overall list and mail it or whatnot to everyone after | 20:42 |
moreati | lac: any objection | 20:42 |
moreati | ? | 20:42 |
pinner | I like the look of both fabien's talks, I think we should accept | 20:43 |
lac | no objection | 20:43 |
lac | I'm always pleased to talk with Geoff | 20:43 |
* moreati hmphs, never knew OpenERP was Python. | 20:43 | |
moreati | ACTIOn lac assigned to Geoff | 20:44 |
lac | I don't know anything about what Fabian is talking about, and I think we should accept too. | 20:44 |
pinner | But if OpenERP is not Python, it's not relevant | 20:45 |
moreati | sounds like a go | 20:45 |
pinner | moreati: do you know more about OpenERP? | 20:45 |
moreati | DECISION Open Object Framework and Open ERP | 20:45 |
moreati | who gets Fabien? | 20:45 |
moreati | pinner: nope, just seen it several times on Freshmeat, assumed it was PHP or Java | 20:46 |
pinner | moreati: someone who knows about ERP? | 20:46 |
pinner | moreati: q will do it (look after Fabien) | 20:47 |
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moreati | ACTION qwright assigned to Fabien for Open Object Framework and Open ERP | 20:48 |
moreati | TOPIC 21 Python Sucks! | 20:48 |
qwright | We need a more explanatory title | 20:48 |
pinner | I think it would be stimulating: let's have it but maybe get him to change the title | 20:49 |
moreati | pinner: agreed | 20:49 |
pinner | I'll look after Dave if you want | 20:49 |
qwright | I did sit in a Python Sucks! presentation at PyCon 2008 - is it the same one I wonder... | 20:49 |
moreati | DECISION Accept 21 Python sucks! ask author to change title to be more descriptive of content | 20:50 |
* pinner needs to limit the number of people he takes on though: too many other things on | 20:50 | |
lac | pinner can ask Dave if its the same one as q saw in 2008 | 20:50 |
moreati | ACTION pinner assigned to David Jones | 20:50 |
moreati | all okay so far am I going too fast? | 20:51 |
lac | fine by me | 20:51 |
moreati | TOPIC 23 Python to Javascript and Back | 20:51 |
lac | Ok, alas more work for Pinner. Somebody has to tell Luke he cannot have 4 talks and a tutorial | 20:51 |
tartley | all good speedwise now I'm up to speed. | 20:51 |
lac | figure out what he wants to say and then submit those, withdraw the rest. | 20:52 |
moreati | This is 1 of 4 Pyjamas talks by Luke Leighton | 20:52 |
qwright | I'm still smarting from UKUUG Manchester | 20:52 |
tartley | perhaps he expects to get some rejected, wanted to see what submissions went down best | 20:52 |
pinner | lac: OK, I know Luke and his problems well, I'll have him as well, Lord help me ;-) | 20:52 |
lac | since qwright and pinner were talking to him about th first two talks, I propose they keep on talking to him | 20:53 |
pinner | lac: yes | 20:53 |
pinner | IDEA let's mark Luke's talks as 'proof read', ie not approved or rejected | 20:54 |
moreati | pinner: sounds good | 20:54 |
lac | sounds good to me, too | 20:54 |
pinner | so that would look after his other talks as well | 20:55 |
pinner | and lead us to Talk 24 | 20:55 |
moreati | DECISION Mark Pyjamas: Simple RIA Web apps, The Zen of Pyjamas, Python to Javascript and Back, Pyjamas and Django for proofreading | 20:55 |
moreati | TOPIC 24 Mashing up The Guardian | 20:56 |
lac | sounds like a fun talk to me. | 20:56 |
moreati | I want to accept it based on the subject. I think it needs a much better description though. | 20:56 |
pinner | Looks good from what I know of it and him, but needs expanding before accepting. | 20:56 |
moreati | Shall I contact Michael? | 20:57 |
lac | sounds good to me. | 20:57 |
tartley | I was about to volunteer, but OK! | 20:57 |
moreati | DECISION Hold 24 Mashing up The Guardian | 20:57 |
moreati | ACTION moreati to contact michael | 20:57 |
moreati | TOPIC 25 Python Coin | 20:58 |
lac | I am very, very, very happy about this, too. | 20:58 |
pinner | I've marked it up with status and a comment. | 20:58 |
tartley | the description is a great pun, but I think needs a second sentence so as not to mislead | 20:58 |
lac | Stani got a travel scholarship to Vilnius last year because he was starving-class broke. | 20:58 |
moreati | Yes, I think there's been enough publicity for the title to mean something | 20:58 |
pinner | no doubt we should accept this one | 20:58 |
lac | And he is a great guy. Maybe a different title? | 20:59 |
pinner | and get him to bring some coins | 20:59 |
lac | oh yes. :) | 20:59 |
moreati | How about proposing the title as Python Coin: How to make money with Python... and asking for a descriptive description? | 20:59 |
* lac nods at moreati | 21:00 | |
pinner | moreati: like it | 21:00 |
tartley | sounds good | 21:00 |
moreati | DECISION Accept 25 Python Coin with revised title and description | 21:00 |
tartley | should I volunteer for this one, does that make sense? | 21:00 |
TheSheep | starving broken --> advices how to make money, doesn't sound like an expert ;) | 21:00 |
TheSheep | broke* | 21:00 |
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moreati | ACTION tartley to contact Stani | 21:01 |
moreati | TOPIC 26 HotPy overview | 21:01 |
moreati | First reaction: naff title, naff decription | 21:01 |
pinner | he's proposed two talks, and suggested they should be merged. I think they're better separate | 21:02 |
lac | I'd never heard of it. I would like to know if it is written in Python. | 21:02 |
lac | I thnk they are better separate, either. | 21:02 |
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lac | samuele: have you ever heard of HotPy? | 21:03 |
pedronis | no | 21:03 |
pinner | looks interesting: let's have it and find out more then | 21:03 |
moreati | IDEA suggest title HotPy: High Performance Python VM, move the current abstract to the description and write an an abstract that's more specific | 21:04 |
lac | that is fine with me. | 21:04 |
pinner | who's taking mark Shannon on? | 21:05 |
lac | I can | 21:05 |
moreati | DECISION Accept 26 HotPy overview with suggested modifications to title, and abstract | 21:05 |
moreati | ACTION lac to contact Mark | 21:05 |
pinner | IDEA I think we should stop at Talk 30 and reconvene another day | 21:06 |
lac | note: I want you to save the suggested modifications when you summarise this meeting so I can remember what we decided. :) | 21:06 |
moreati | TOPIC 27 Optimisation in HotPy | 21:06 |
moreati | lac: it will be in the IRC log, if nothing else | 21:06 |
pinner | who's this Jacob guy? | 21:06 |
moreati | pinner: I'm very partial to that idea | 21:07 |
pinner | moreati: against IDEA | 21:07 |
pinner | moreati: (in the log) | 21:07 |
lac | re: topic 27 -- same conclusion as 26 , I think | 21:07 |
moreati | pinner: I'm confused, | 21:07 |
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pinner | moreati: the suggested mods were an IDEA | 21:08 |
moreati | pinner: you mean you're against changing the title, description etc of 26 HotPy Overview? | 21:09 |
pinner | moreati: no, no. It's logged against IDEA | 21:09 |
moreati | and I should have labelled it something else?... or you're clarifying? | 21:10 |
pinner | moreati: I thought I was clarifying but succeeded in causing confusion | 21:11 |
* moreati is a simple bear | 21:11 | |
pinner | So we treat Talk 27 the same as 26, right? | 21:11 |
tartley | so, lac for both the HotPy talks, right? | 21:11 |
lac | that's my proposal | 21:11 |
lac | and both need new abstracts | 21:11 |
moreati | lac: sounds good | 21:12 |
lac | ok | 21:12 |
moreati | DECISION Accept 27 Optimisation in HotPy with description/abstract tweaks | 21:12 |
moreati | ACTION lac to contact Mark | 21:13 |
moreati | TOPIC 28 Nevow and Stan | 21:13 |
* lac abstains from this one | 21:13 | |
tartley | ah! | 21:13 |
pinner | never heard of the speaker | 21:13 |
pinner | he must be good though | 21:13 |
* lac sticks her tongue out at pinner | 21:13 | |
moreati | The description is only one sentance, that needs to change | 21:13 |
pinner | he cooks a mean reindeer steak | 21:14 |
moreati | I see no reason not to accept though | 21:14 |
tartley | Har. It certainly presents the purpose clearly enough. Is there any need to explain what Nevow and Stan are, or does the context that it already has suffice? | 21:14 |
pinner | good enough reason to accept | 21:14 |
moreati | DECISION Accept 28 Nevow and Stan, request description tweak | 21:15 |
lac | I can ask him to define them in the description. | 21:15 |
lac | This job has my name all over it. :) | 21:15 |
moreati | ACTION lac to liase with Jacob | 21:15 |
pinner | I'd really like to hear this one, twisted is a mystery to me | 21:15 |
moreati | TOPIC 29 Ironclad: Hubris and Laziness | 21:15 |
pinner | I think nevow is woven backwards? | 21:15 |
tartley | I know William, he's a friend and colleague | 21:15 |
tartley | I suspect it needs more info about *why* Ironclad needs to exist | 21:16 |
tartley | (ie. that one cannot call Python libraries with C extensions from IronPython) | 21:16 |
pinner | Why is he doing this with a non-portable version of Python, though? | 21:16 |
moreati | tartley: agreed | 21:17 |
tartley | heh. Good Question. Ask our customers. | 21:17 |
lac | nevow is indeed woven backwards. I have another question. Where is the email of these talk submitters? I cannot find it on the form | 21:17 |
pinner | lac: in the speakers' file | 21:17 |
moreati | lac http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/speaker/ | 21:17 |
moreati | so we accept Ironclad, with some extra context in the description? | 21:18 |
pinner | seems good to me | 21:18 |
tartley | Make sense that I take it? | 21:18 |
pinner | tartley: yes | 21:18 |
moreati | DECISION Accept Ironclad: Hubris and Laziness with description chg | 21:18 |
moreati | ACTION tartley to contact william | 21:19 |
moreati | are we stopping at 30? | 21:19 |
* pinner hopes so | 21:19 | |
moreati | TOPIC 30 Semantic apps with CubicWeb | 21:19 |
* moreati also hopes so | 21:19 | |
pinner | We can't not accept Nicolas Chauvat | 21:20 |
lac | even if we think that 'the semantic web' is a fairly dodgy concept. :) | 21:20 |
pinner | but I hope the talk is better than the last Vilnius one | 21:20 |
moreati | It needs a fuller description | 21:21 |
lac | I wonder how many people out there have never heard of the semantic web? | 21:21 |
moreati | perhaps a little explanation of what semantic web is, if that's doable | 21:21 |
lac | Me I have heard far more than I have ever wanted to, but is that normal? | 21:21 |
* pinner hasn't heard of it ;-) | 21:22 | |
moreati | (emphasis on little) | 21:22 |
tartley | yes I checked that | 21:22 |
tartley | ignore, wrong window. | 21:23 |
lac | well, in the talks we haven't got to yet, 8 of them are from people I know in Göteborg. So can I pass nicolas to somebody else? | 21:23 |
tartley | I think people know, but maybe I'm wrong. A sentence and a half can't hurt to make it more accessible and unintimidating, can it? | 21:23 |
pinner | tartley: that's the trouble with Windows - strange things happen in your Lightning Talk, as well ;-) | 21:23 |
tartley | har. I quite agree. | 21:24 |
pinner | I'll talk to Nicolas | 21:24 |
moreati | DECISION Accept Semantic apps with CubicWeb | 21:24 |
moreati | pinner: I was about to take him, if you prefer? | 21:24 |
pinner | tartley: It was good! | 21:24 |
pinner | moreati: I don't mind, it's just that I know him, but you're welcome | 21:25 |
moreati | pinner: I don't want to tread on toes | 21:26 |
moreati | ACTION pinner to contact Nicolas | 21:26 |
tartley | pinner: thx. your content saved it from the condemnations of 'enough with announcements disguised as lightning talks' that were floating around earlier | 21:26 |
tartley | I'm adding our talk-champion assignments to lac's pastebin note... | 21:26 |
moreati | Are we drawing the meeting to a close there? | 21:27 |
pinner | tartley: good. Pity the projector wasn't matched: they missed the bit about supplying the Confederates with guns | 21:27 |
tartley | my fault - failed to change my screen res / aspect ratio when running through slides. | 21:28 |
pinner | tartley: the assignments can go in the talks file, maybe in the Reviewer comment | 21:28 |
tartley | alright then. | 21:28 |
moreati | TOPIC Any other business? | 21:28 |
pinner | next meeting? | 21:28 |
tartley | it's nice to have an overview list, for my own peace of mind that I haven't forgotten any that are assigned to me | 21:29 |
lac | I have business | 21:29 |
moreati | lac: go ahead | 21:29 |
lac | Tartley wrote a nice 'we accept your EP talk' letter. Where is it? | 21:29 |
tartley | I have a copy, where do we want it? | 21:29 |
lac | I'd like to use it too, its better than what I already sent out before tartley wrote it. | 21:29 |
lac | someplace on the wiki | 21:30 |
tartley | ok, I'll do that now... | 21:30 |
moreati | ACTION tartley to place talk accept wording on wiki | 21:30 |
pinner | or mail it to the europython-talks list | 21:30 |
tartley | I'll mail a link to the talks list | 21:31 |
moreati | pinner: can we cover any submissions tomorrow evening at PyWM? | 21:31 |
lac | if it lives on the wiki we have a better chance of finding it next year, though. | 21:31 |
pinner | moreati: a few maybe | 21:31 |
lac | because we will forget where we put it over the winter ... | 21:31 |
lac | I am free tomorrow day and evening. | 21:32 |
lac | but Friday and the weekend look bad for me. | 21:32 |
lac | (GothCon) | 21:32 |
pinner | lac: we have a document archive, I think. Let's use that | 21:32 |
moreati | Shall we reconvene tomorrow at 1930 BST/2030 CST? | 21:33 |
lac | fine with me. | 21:33 |
lac | By the way, Anto Cuni found | 21:34 |
lac | http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~marks/ | 21:34 |
pinner | moreati: maybe for just a short (30 minute ish) stint? Now we know what we're doing | 21:34 |
lac | so looks like he is changing the python language to make a dialect that he can optimise. | 21:34 |
lac | so less interesting than I thought. | 21:34 |
moreati | pinner: okay | 21:34 |
tartley | tomorrow I can't do I'm afraid. Weekend is good for me generally though. | 21:35 |
pinner | lac: he probably doesn't understand Python | 21:35 |
pinner | tartley: I can spare an hour on Saturday | 21:35 |
moreati | lac can you do an hour on Saturday> | 21:36 |
moreati | ? | 21:36 |
lac | I may be able to, but need to know when now so to check that I am not booked | 21:36 |
pinner | lac: I withdraw that remark! | 21:36 |
lac | to run a booth or a game at that time. | 21:36 |
tartley | anytime during the daytime is good for me | 21:36 |
pinner | how about noon BST on Saturday? | 21:36 |
moreati | lac: I think we're best working to your existing schedule, when is least worst for you? | 21:37 |
lac | I don't think that I am in the afternoon, but the morning I know is bad, as it after 1800 | 21:37 |
lac | noon is too early, 1400 is ok | 21:37 |
tartley | can do | 21:37 |
pinner | and me | 21:37 |
moreati | I can do that, it's 1300 BST | 21:37 |
moreati | lac: you meant 1400 CST I assume? | 21:37 |
lac | ok, we can reconvene then. Yes, I meant 1300 your time | 21:38 |
moreati | DECISION Next meeting 1300 BST/1400 CST for 1 hour | 21:38 |
pinner | moreati: I'm opening up the office for Hackerspace, do you want to join me (I'm not in hackerspace) | 21:38 |
moreati | pinner: on saturday? I'll be in Northampton I'm afraid | 21:38 |
pinner | moreati: OK, no problem. I was just hoping for some sensible conversation ;-) | 21:39 |
moreati | sorry, I'd have to shout really really loadly | 21:40 |
moreati | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
moreati | I have to dash, night all | 21:40 |
lac | take care moreati and thank you | 21:40 |
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tartley | thanks all. | 21:40 |
tartley | see you then | 21:40 |
pinner | Thanks, and good night! | 21:41 |
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lac | I'm going to go cook some dinner now. | 21:42 |
tartley | I've apparently got some being cooked for me, which is quite an event! | 21:43 |
lac | :) | 21:43 |
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