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| lac | evening all | 18:56 |
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| moreati | evening all | 18:57 |
| pboddie | lac,moreati,...: Evening! | 18:57 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 18:57 |
| pboddie | Or do I say that after the BEGIN directive? | 18:57 |
| moreati | pboddie: after | 18:58 |
| moreati | random question, anyone come across something like matlab or octave - but that runs in a browser ajax style? | 18:59 |
| nickbooker | sage? | 19:00 |
| moreati | I thought that was accounting package.. | 19:00 |
| nickbooker | there's also an OSS math tool with the same name | 19:00 |
| nickbooker | python too :) | 19:01 |
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| pinner | Good Evening! | 19:01 |
| moreati | pinner: evening | 19:01 |
| nickbooker | evening all | 19:02 |
| moreati | nickbooker: I'm thinking of something actually implemented in javascript. Probably a pipe dream. | 19:02 |
| pboddie | EVENING ;-) | 19:02 |
| nickbooker | moreati: OK | 19:02 |
| pinner | hello paul, alex | 19:02 |
| pboddie | moreati: Sounds like something Jonathan Fine would be doing. | 19:03 |
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| pboddie | pinner: Hello! | 19:03 |
| lac | moreati: Andrew Dalke was doing something like that for chemistry. | 19:03 |
| pboddie | moreati: Take a look at the different shells for Python. There was a PyCon talk about one of them, and there are others (Hotwire?). Maybe someone has done a Web equivalent. | 19:04 |
| pinner | I think we may have enough people to begin | 19:05 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 19:05 |
| pboddie | moreati: I know that my brother did HTML shells for Python, but it wasn't AJAX. | 19:05 |
| nickbooker | PRESENT | 19:05 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 19:05 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 19:05 |
| lac | PRESENT | 19:05 |
| moreati | PRESENT | 19:05 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 19:05 |
| pinner | APOLOGIES Martin_Hellwig | 19:05 |
| pinner | anyone else? | 19:06 |
| lac | APOLOGIES Jacob22 (he is skiing) | 19:06 |
| pinner | lac: lucky man | 19:06 |
| moreati | zeth? | 19:07 |
| pinner | TOPIC Review actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
| pinner | Most actions have been completed and/or will be dealt with later in the agenda | 19:07 |
| pinner | except perhaps for wiki rationalisation | 19:08 |
| qwright | PRESENT | 19:08 |
| pboddie | Well, I've added a couple of pages and generally sprinked some of that Wiki magic over the site, but there's still stuff to do. | 19:08 |
| pinner | wiki Paul made quite a few improvements | 19:08 |
| pboddie | I don't know much about the social side of Birmingham, for example. | 19:09 |
| pinner | but there's a way to go. maybe we need a wiki improvement page on the wiki ;-) | 19:09 |
| pboddie | I guess talk materials will go on the Wiki eventually, unless you're persuading people to hand them over in advance. | 19:09 |
| pboddie | In any case, I made pages for talks and lightning talks. | 19:09 |
| pinner | pboddie: good | 19:10 |
| pboddie | There isn't a "Blogosphere" page. Was there one last year? | 19:10 |
| pboddie | For PyCon UK, I guess...? | 19:10 |
| pinner | pboddie: we'll be needing talk materials for the CD | 19:10 |
| pboddie | That's Web 2.0 for all of you out of the loop, not the disgraced governor of Illinois. ;-) | 19:10 |
| pinner | no joking, let's have a wiki improvement page on the wiki, then people will know what there is to be done | 19:11 |
| pboddie | pinner: I guess "extra" materials (that is, forgotten or undelivered) can be quickly uploaded. We managed well enough at EP last year. | 19:11 |
| pinner | pboddie: yes, that will be fine | 19:12 |
| pboddie | I'll add a page to the Wiki, then. | 19:12 |
| pinner | pboddie: ne need for a vote then! | 19:13 |
| pinner | ACTION pboddie to create wiki imporvemn | 19:13 |
| pinner | improvement page | 19:14 |
| pinner | anything else for 'review actions' | 19:14 |
| lac | note from me | 19:14 |
| lac | er not | 19:14 |
| pinner | TOPIC Registration | 19:15 |
| lac | what's the totals now? | 19:15 |
| pinner | Status report is at wiki.europython.eu/Organisers - bottom of page | 19:15 |
| pinner | Total 162 delegates | 19:15 |
| pboddie | My script must be counting test registrations. I thought we were almost at 190. | 19:16 |
| pinner | pboddie: I'd have to see your script, I dont think we've had 30ish tests | 19:16 |
| pinner | anyway, registration is still ticking along nicely. | 19:17 |
| pinner | TOPIC Talks | 19:17 |
| pinner | We have 74 talk submissions, we'll thin down at least 2, so call it 72 | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | Sorry | 19:19 |
| fuzzyman | Here | 19:19 |
| pinner | although the official submission deadline is past, there are still some to come | 19:19 |
| pinner | for example the Django community hasn't woken up: I mailed Simon Willison and Jacob K-M | 19:20 |
| pinner | Simon will submit a talk and Jacob can't come this year | 19:20 |
| pinner | Ans we've had no Jython yet: last year they said they would be coming | 19:21 |
| pinner | Ans -> and | 19:21 |
| pinner | Anyway, we have enough talks, and they look good | 19:21 |
| lac | I can ask that community what is up, since they mostly hang out on #pypy anyhow | 19:21 |
| lac | 'that community' Jython | 19:22 |
| lac | developers | 19:22 |
| pinner | lac: good. | 19:22 |
| pinner | there are a few of the habitual latecomers like Christian Tismer who may find there is no room for their talks | 19:23 |
| pinner | Let's mention the talks software | 19:24 |
| pboddie | Will there be any panels at EP? I thought the VM panel was quite reasonable at PyCon, at least from the video. | 19:24 |
| pinner | It's ready for the committee to edit and approve talks now | 19:24 |
| moreati | pinner: excellent, I presume that's thanks to nickbooker and yourself? | 19:25 |
| lac | I can talk to Christian as well. | 19:25 |
| pinner | pboddie: there can be panels, if anyone proposes them. So far the only likely one we know about is with Bruce Eckel, on Open Space events AFAIK | 19:25 |
| pinner | moreati: yes | 19:25 |
| lac | so we need to have a meeting to approve talks. when is good for people? and rats thartley is not here | 19:26 |
| pinner | So the next stage if to finish reviewing the talks | 19:26 |
| fuzzyman | Tartley will still be working | 19:26 |
| pinner | lac: tomorrow or Thursday? | 19:27 |
| lac | I am fine for both days. | 19:27 |
| pinner | moreati: how about you? | 19:27 |
| lac | Friday and the weekend (GothCon) are bad | 19:27 |
| moreati | pinner: tomorrow is good 1730-1830 BST, thursday from 1900 BST | 19:28 |
| qwright | I'm fine for Thurs and Fri (I'm not sure whether I'm on the committee or not, but enjoyed crashing it last time!) | 19:28 |
| qwright | or Wed | 19:29 |
| lac | more the merrier. | 19:29 |
| pinner | I'm going to suggest 1730 GMT, 1830 CET tomorrow Wednesday then | 19:29 |
| pinner | and hope that tartley can make it | 19:29 |
| lac | I can make any time. drop him a note asking when he is free? | 19:30 |
| moreati | BST == CET at the moment? | 19:30 |
| TheSheep | CEST | 19:30 |
| fuzzyman | Tartley doesn't finish work until 6pm GMT | 19:30 |
| fuzzyman | well UK time, whatever that is | 19:30 |
| moreati | pinner: 1730 GMT is 1630 on our wall clocks | 19:31 |
| pinner | moreati: will 1800 be OK for you? | 19:31 |
| pboddie | I'll have you all working on the time module in a moment. ;-) | 19:31 |
| moreati | pinner: yes either BST or GMT | 19:31 |
| lac | 1800, which is 1900 on my wall clock, will be fine with me. | 19:32 |
| pinner | Sorry! I meant BST. Change GMT to BST in all above | 19:32 |
| moreati | 1800 BST is fine If I'm right that's also 1800 CET. Yes? | 19:32 |
| lac | http://www.timezonecheck.com/ | 19:32 |
| qwright | For all Arch users TIMEZONE=GB | 19:33 |
| qwright | awx | 19:33 |
| qwright | and the Continent is now on CST surely | 19:33 |
| pinner | DECISION Talks SubCommittee meeting tomorrow Wednesday 8th April at 1800 BST, 1900 CEST | 19:34 |
| pinner | TheSheep: is that correct? | 19:34 |
| moreati | lac: nice site, bookmarked | 19:34 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 19:34 |
| pinner | Martin Hellwig is not present, so I suggest any ideas go on the wiki Publicity page for future action | 19:35 |
| lac | ok | 19:35 |
| pinner | Have you seen the PyCon Lightning Talks video, and tartleys EuroPython publicity talk? | 19:36 |
| lac | no. | 19:36 |
| pinner | whicj fuzzyman mailed the list about | 19:36 |
| lac | I cannot get sound to work on my laptop at all right now. | 19:36 |
| pinner | http://pycon.blip.tv/file/1957737/ | 19:37 |
| fuzzyman | Tartley did an excellent job | 19:37 |
| lac | great! | 19:37 |
| pinner | I suggest we get someone to edit this and get tartley's spot out and circulate it to interested groups | 19:38 |
| pinner | any offers? | 19:38 |
| moreati | pinner: I'll take a stab at that | 19:39 |
| pinner | moreati: thanks | 19:39 |
| pinner | In general, I thought the video was very good and it would be good if we could do something similar at EP | 19:40 |
| lac | I have to go at 19.15, so if we could move a bit faster .... | 19:40 |
| pinner | but tha can wait for another occasion | 19:40 |
| fuzzyman | They did the editing in real time - very impressive. They might have produced some training material - will report on list if / when it goes live | 19:41 |
| lac | getting good videos for PyCon, according to the pycon-organisers, was dependent on having several people there | 19:41 |
| lac | Carl and a bunch of debconf people | 19:41 |
| lac | who really know videos. | 19:41 |
| lac | if we don't have a stable of video experts, then this will be hard for us. | 19:41 |
| lac | Also, what was important is that there was no post-production needed. | 19:42 |
| lac | That takes special gear, but I do not know the details. | 19:42 |
| pinner | OK, as Martin is not here let's just say that people must put their Publicity ideas/actions on the wiki Publicity page, and move on... | 19:42 |
| pboddie | It's well worth listening to Carl and company. | 19:43 |
| pinner | DECISION Publicity Ideas and Actions to be entered on wiki Publicity page | 19:43 |
| * pboddie thinks of the disbelief that his licensing policy received on previous occasions. | 19:43 | |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 19:43 |
| pinner | Google have confirmed Bronze Sponsorship and we await their PO | 19:43 |
| pinner | And I have persuaded Bytemark Hosting to sponsor us - I don't know how much yet | 19:44 |
| pinner | And I think all suggested potential sponsors have been contacted | 19:44 |
| qwright | I haven't done all my list yet | 19:45 |
| fuzzyman | is it looking like we are on target? | 19:45 |
| pinner | Other than that, there is no other progress since the last meeting | 19:45 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I think it will be 'alright on the night' | 19:45 |
| fuzzyman | Good | 19:45 |
| pinner | Indications are better than expected so far | 19:46 |
| qwright | Have done Nokia, also VMWare, CCP Games and Enthought as per fuzzyman's request | 19:46 |
| fuzzyman | Great | 19:46 |
| pinner | although no news from Microsoft so far, which may be worrying | 19:46 |
| pinner | qwright: in which case I think your list is complete | 19:46 |
| pinner | TOPIC Budget | 19:47 |
| lac | Jacob wished me to mention something. | 19:47 |
| lac | From his study it looks to him as if we are subsidising the extra dinners | 19:47 |
| lac | charging less than they cost. And we should stop that. | 19:48 |
| pinner | lac: I think not. We charge £35 for extra dinners, which cost us £27.50 plus gratuity and drinks, £35 is about OK | 19:48 |
| pinner | moreati has done the budget spreadsheet, and uploaded it to the admin wiki | 19:49 |
| lac | Ok, I will tell jacob his math is wrong. | 19:49 |
| moreati | Yes, I will check what the spreadsheet says wrt to extra meals | 19:50 |
| pinner | now we need to fill in some costs, I've started getting the polo shirt costs etc today | 19:50 |
| moreati | (That was yes I've uploaded it, not yeas Jacob's math is wrong) | 19:50 |
| qwright | well dowe = | 19:50 |
| pinner | and we can refine it as we go along and the sponsors and delegates come in | 19:50 |
| qwright | well done on doing the budget by the way!! | 19:51 |
| moreati | Is the format/access method okay for people? | 19:51 |
| moreati | Would upload to a more public location be more preferable? Openess and all... | 19:51 |
| pinner | moreati: I don't think so, some personal data may be involved when we sponsor a delegate for example | 19:52 |
| moreati | pinner: good point | 19:52 |
| pinner | moreati: which could cause problems if someone is approved for sponsoring and his friend is not | 19:52 |
| pinner | any more on the budget? | 19:53 |
| fuzzyman | We shouldn't publish personal details - but I'm in favour of keeping our budget numbers public | 19:53 |
| fuzzyman | It is very helpful for other people planning PyCon events | 19:53 |
| fuzzyman | but only if it is not a huge amount of work | 19:53 |
| fuzzyman | not as if there isn't plenty to do... | 19:54 |
| pboddie | Just don't upload the original file to WikiLeaks. ;-) | 19:54 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I think we'd have to have a condensed budget, for example we wouldn't want sponsors contributions made public | 19:54 |
| moreati | personal details might include individual sponsorship levels, a summary budget approved by the committee might make a good candidate for publishing | 19:54 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: then someone would have to maintain two versions, it's work we can do without | 19:55 |
| fuzzyman | fair enough - maybe afterwards if it is easy to do once, but not a big deal | 19:55 |
| lac | or write a script to generate the public version from the private one | 19:56 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: and we will publish the final figures at the AGM anyway, so it won't be a secret | 19:56 |
| moreati | pinner: we maintain the detailed, confidential one, then at the end generalise and publish. | 19:56 |
| qwright | +1 | 19:56 |
| pinner | moreati: absolutely | 19:56 |
| fuzzyman | sounds great | 19:56 |
| pinner | VOTE Keep budget private and publish summary version at AGM | 19:56 |
| nickbooker | +1 | 19:57 |
| moreati | +1 | 19:57 |
| qwright | +1 | 19:57 |
| fuzzyman | +1 | 19:57 |
| lac | +1 | 19:57 |
| pinner | +1 | 19:57 |
| fuzzyman | This is no fun if we all agree all the time | 19:57 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:57 |
| moreati | Incidentally, if anybody couldn't access it, email me | 19:57 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: think of something controversial then | 19:58 |
| pinner | TOPIC Social Activities | 19:58 |
| pinner | Do we want a Partners Programme? | 19:58 |
| pinner | It might help to get more delegates | 19:59 |
| fuzzyman | What is a partners programme? | 19:59 |
| moreati | Partners Programme means what? | 19:59 |
| pinner | a programme of events for delegates' partners who do not wish to attend the geek conference | 19:59 |
| moreati | Ah, could that be as informal as an page of dates/times/descriptions on the wiki? | 20:00 |
| pinner | moreati: yes, or I can ask my and Zeth's SOs to put something together | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | if we have the bandwidth to do it, it sounds great | 20:01 |
| pinner | moreati: for instance visits to Cadbury World, a canal trip, shopping, art gallery | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | hmmm... tempting :-) | 20:02 |
| lac | good idea. | 20:02 |
| moreati | pinner: Zeth has SOs, plural !? | 20:02 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: by delegating to the management, no bandwidth is needed | 20:02 |
| pinner | moreati: for all I know! | 20:02 |
| lac | stick some things good for children in there, for people bringing their whole family | 20:03 |
| pinner | lac: noted | 20:03 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to ask Mrs P and Jutte Green if they will put together a Partners' Programme | 20:04 |
| pinner | Evening socials, any ideas? | 20:04 |
| pinner | The Zagora would be good on Saturday evening, before the conference. | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | Which was the Zagora? The first one we went to last year? | 20:05 |
| pinner | Memo - that's where fuzzyman got pictured with a beautiful dancer | 20:05 |
| moreati | fuzzyman: yes, moroccan food | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | The first one was great - the second one was rubbish | 20:05 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: agreed, we'll look for something better. | 20:06 |
| pinner | also, as EP is midweek we have a better choice. | 20:06 |
| pinner | Let's get a local group working on it. | 20:06 |
| fuzzyman | great | 20:07 |
| pinner | We'll ask at our next PyWm meeting | 20:07 |
| qwright | btw how's the pub-crawl going? | 20:07 |
| pinner | ACTION Set up a social subcommittee at next PyWm meeting, 25th April | 20:07 |
| pinner | qwright: with Zeth | 20:08 |
| moreati | pinner: there is a social meetup before the 15th | 20:08 |
| moreati | 25th | 20:08 |
| pinner | moreati: I'd forgotten, must be this Thursday, then | 20:08 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 20:09 |
| moreati | pinner: it is, I'll send out a reminder now | 20:09 |
| pinner | Anyone got anything? | 20:09 |
| lac | not I | 20:09 |
| pinner | moreati: thanks | 20:09 |
| qwright | not I | 20:09 |
| fuzzyman | thanks everyone - sorry I was late | 20:09 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 20:09 |
| fuzzyman | Oooh - Tim Couper is hoping to join us | 20:09 |
| qwright | fuzzyman: jet-lag? | 20:10 |
| fuzzyman | a bit late in the day | 20:10 |
| fuzzyman | qwright: yeah :-( | 20:10 |
| pinner | April 21st, 1700 BST, 1800 CEST OK? | 20:10 |
| moreati | ok | 20:10 |
| fuzzyman | no objection | 20:10 |
| qwright | fuzzyman: surely it's midday for you! | 20:10 |
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| nickbooker | ok | 20:11 |
| lac | Tim Couper -- join us where and when? | 20:11 |
| fuzzyman | at these meetings | 20:11 |
| pinner | DECISION Next Meeting April 21st, 1700 BST, 1800 CEST | 20:11 |
| lac | fuzzyman: thanks | 20:11 |
| fuzzyman | he has been a part of the PyCon UK team and somehow didn't realise we started the EuroPython planning | 20:11 |
| fuzzyman | he is a capable chap | 20:12 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: he'll have to be quicker off the mark then. Was he at PyCon? | 20:12 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: yes | 20:12 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 20:12 |
| qwright | byeeeeeeeeeee | 20:12 |
| fuzzyman | bye all | 20:12 |
| pinner | Thanks for coming! | 20:12 |
| lac | ok, bye all, I am off to dinner. | 20:12 |
| pinner | lac: have a good one | 20:13 |
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| pinner | moreati: see you Thursday? | 20:14 |
| pinner | moreati: or will you join the TSC meeting tomorrow here with us? | 20:15 |
| * pinner says goodnight | 20:16 | |
| pboddie | Bye everyone! See you at the next meeting! | 20:16 |
| * pboddie is off! | 20:16 | |
| moreati | pinner: both | 20:17 |
| pinner | moreati: see you tomorrow then! | 20:18 |
| pboddie | Oh, the next Tuesday meeting, that is! | 20:18 |
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| pinner | The Meeting minutes are up the wiki! Thanks Nick! | 20:19 |
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| tartley | PRESENT | 21:15 |
| tartley | belatedly | 21:15 |
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| tartley | ohdear, I missed it. | 21:16 |
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