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Tv | too early for the tiger to open any eyes | 09:03 |
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* avn waked up by child\ | 09:05 | |
avn | brr - raining | 09:05 |
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emilis_info | :) | 09:26 |
Tv | wow the wifi in lambda in pretty weak | 09:26 |
Tv | interesting how big a difference there is | 09:27 |
emilis_info | :) | 09:30 |
emilis_info | RevalHotels link is better than conference | 09:30 |
emilis_info | at least on my laptop | 09:30 |
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Tv | depends on where you are | 09:47 |
Tv | reval has more area, ep has better signal in the middle | 09:47 |
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Tv | this talk has too many Models with pronounced Capital Letters for my taste :( | 09:51 |
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* olleolleolle finding lots of cloned code here (neat tool) | 10:27 | |
olleolleolle | Feature I want: "Blame support" | 10:27 |
kerni | yeah, dvcs integration | 10:28 |
olleolleolle | so like: Who the heck cloned THAT? | 10:28 |
kerni | developer X copied this from developer Y | 10:28 |
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kerni | I think it's actually quite possible | 10:37 |
kerni | bazaar has these plugins | 10:37 |
kerni | why not write one | 10:37 |
kerni | "bzr dupes" | 10:37 |
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czarny | hi | 11:28 |
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xenru | hi | 11:52 |
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olleolleolle | I wonder, is this a named tuple? config=(contrast=20, sharpness=5, color=3) | 12:34 |
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Tv | bunch of new stuff in the wiki for FilesystemSprint | 13:43 |
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Tv | superman has a fat neck | 14:30 |
getxsick | ;d | 14:33 |
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LarstiQ_ | Tv: all those muscles got to fit somewhere | 15:01 |
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kerni | Lightning talks are my favourite feature on any conference | 16:37 |
kerni | what do you think? | 16:37 |
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Tv | "some crazy exception"? | 16:38 |
Tv | more like we will throw the speaker | 16:39 |
Tv | and please do not yell into the mike | 16:39 |
xorAxAx | some crazy exception sounds like maciej, pypy | 16:39 |
xorAxAx | Tv: is that correct? :) | 16:40 |
kerni | ProjectorDisconnectedError, perhaps | 16:44 |
kerni | well, that was pointless, but fun nonetheless | 16:44 |
Tv | that was not an error, it was only a warning | 16:45 |
kerni | also, language barrier | 16:45 |
kerni | PHP already has remote module loading | 16:48 |
Tv | remote roothole service | 16:48 |
kerni | require('http://whatever') | 16:49 |
kerni | yep | 16:49 |
olleolleolle | Cool, let's switch! | 16:49 |
xorAxAx | and third-party-mass-administration hooks | 16:49 |
Tv | \join #europhp | 16:49 |
olleolleolle | Psychedelic colors. | 16:49 |
kerni | I even think someone proposed this on pydev | 16:49 |
kerni | and was promptly shot down for these very reasons | 16:50 |
Tv | s/down // | 16:50 |
kerni | :D | 16:50 |
olleolleolle | <?php $irc->join("#europhp"); ?> | 16:50 |
Tv | so python can't import _strings_ | 16:50 |
Tv | so you can't use real urls, right? | 16:50 |
Tv | do you need a map of name=>url somewhere? | 16:50 |
Tv | if you do, just use name=>(url, sha-1) | 16:51 |
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kerni | well, you can cheat a little | 16:51 |
kerni | import http_whatever.org.dir.module | 16:51 |
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Tv | that'll never deal with the real web | 16:51 |
Tv | without some silly escape mechanism | 16:52 |
olleolleolle | Is the joke that all his lines are quotes from famous people? Seriously wondering here. | 16:52 |
Tv | olleolleolle: not *all* i think | 16:52 |
Tv | or not *that* famous ;) | 16:52 |
olleolleolle | A Markov'd presentation! | 16:52 |
kerni | or proof by citation of important people | 16:52 |
Tv | Given enough bugs, all eyeballs are hollow! | 16:52 |
kerni | a fine academic technique | 16:53 |
Tv | kerni: well most of the quotes are of the opposite opinion.. | 16:53 |
Tv | maybe not anymore | 16:53 |
Tv | but in the beginning | 16:53 |
Tv | e.g. the famous Linus quote advocates *reading source* | 16:53 |
olleolleolle | (Long slide texts: after a few you don't read it all: he could've added some wrestling facts without us noticing.) | 16:54 |
Tv | and *understanding* | 16:54 |
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Tv | olleolleolle: To Chuck Norris, all bugs are shallow. | 16:54 |
kerni | short version: "Testing is hard, but do it" | 16:54 |
tobixen | I read but stop listening if the slide is too long | 16:54 |
kerni | there | 16:54 |
olleolleolle | "Programming: still hard" | 16:54 |
kerni | Sun seems to be on a budget | 16:55 |
kerni | didn't give the guy a laptop | 16:55 |
olleolleolle | It's *really* tiny, | 16:55 |
Tv | olleolleolle: and has a proprietary display connector? | 16:55 |
Tv | oh the good old days | 16:56 |
kerni | Universal Sun Bus, perhaps | 16:56 |
kerni | USB like everyone else | 16:56 |
olleolleolle | It's a kind of reflective dust-like medium that drops down from one's hair . into the field of vision. Super-compact. | 16:56 |
Tv | olleolleolle: smart dandruff? | 16:57 |
kerni | anyone for a short version? | 16:57 |
olleolleolle | Open Source version: Dandruff @ home. | 16:57 |
kerni | "Sun wants to hear about Python"? | 16:57 |
Tv | kerni: "Innovation Happens Elsewhere"? | 16:58 |
LarstiQ | Tv: tsk :) | 16:59 |
kerni | let's standardize | 16:59 |
kerni | three-word or four-word summaries? | 16:59 |
Tv | oh oh three | 16:59 |
Tv | i can already do this one | 16:59 |
Tv | "IMAP is ugly" | 16:59 |
olleolleolle | kerni: IMAP: ugly. Still. | 16:59 |
Tv | http://sixwordscifi.com/ | 16:59 |
kerni | http://www.fwfr.com/ | 17:00 |
kerni | yeah, you got the concept | 17:00 |
kerni | and we tried to use the guy's imaplib yesterday | 17:00 |
kerni | didn't work too good | 17:00 |
kerni | now that it works, it's kinda nice | 17:01 |
kerni | python's builtin imaplib is somewhat ugler | 17:01 |
kerni | *uglier | 17:01 |
Tv | kerni: btw for a nice twisted imap intro, this book was nice (link to my review): http://eagain.net/articles/review-pynet/ | 17:02 |
olleolleolle | kerni: "Apply the ugler." | 17:02 |
Tv | maybe i should also add that it was nice | 17:03 |
kerni | "I Know IMAP" ? | 17:03 |
Tv | did we summarize the first one already? | 17:03 |
olleolleolle | Sub-lightning notes-taking: popular. | 17:03 |
kerni | and our three word rule doesn't allow any "I Can Has X" style reviews | 17:03 |
Tv | "Bad joke. Laugh." | 17:03 |
kerni | oooh, kung-fu | 17:04 |
kerni | Tv: yeah, that's accurate | 17:05 |
Tv | "Module pd.lib content some simple modules and fucntions. " | 17:06 |
Tv | oh wow | 17:06 |
kerni | look, the append calls are all wrong | 17:06 |
kerni | is that the drunk part? | 17:07 |
olleolleolle | kerni: And he corrects them in a handler, right? | 17:07 |
olleolleolle | Fuzzy as in matching. | 17:07 |
kerni | well, it's a new kind of multiple dispatch/overloading | 17:07 |
Tv | "Drunkin snake kung-uf" | 17:07 |
olleolleolle | Soundex-for-call support | 17:07 |
tobixen | every year there are some "weird pythonish code" stuff on the lightning talks ... | 17:08 |
LarstiQ | Tv: -uf :) | 17:08 |
kerni | the -uf was intentional :) | 17:08 |
* LarstiQ nods | 17:08 | |
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LarstiQ | and very aptly chosen | 17:09 |
Tv | "Buy Bazaar support." | 17:10 |
kerni | "All your Bazaar..." | 17:11 |
Tv | bazaar is what you use to publish your code on the cathedral that is launchpad | 17:11 |
LarstiQ | hah | 17:11 |
kerni | "Please Ask Me"? | 17:12 |
olleolleolle | "Silence. Enjoyed it." | 17:12 |
kerni | tobixen: nothing wrong with that. where else do we get our laughs | 17:13 |
kerni | summaries? | 17:15 |
kerni | "PyPy Does Javascript" | 17:16 |
kerni | or make it py.test | 17:16 |
Tv | "py.test: Still Confusing" ? | 17:17 |
Tv | really, it just always seems messy and magic to me, year after year | 17:17 |
Tv | while i'm happily using nose | 17:17 |
kerni | Tv: and do you have an idea how is nose different from py.test? I haven't. | 17:18 |
Tv | kerni: well py.test is based on more magic | 17:18 |
Tv | kerni: like assert a==b instead of eq(a, b) | 17:18 |
olleolleolle | Did he talk about Dommer? | 17:20 |
Tv | quoting the introduction to py.test: "Note that in order to display helpful analysis of a failing assert statement some magic takes place behind the scenes. For now, you only need to know that if something looks strange or you suspect a bug in that behind-the-scenes-magic you may turn off the magic by providing the --nomagic option." | 17:20 |
kerni | for 3 seconds | 17:20 |
kerni | :O | 17:20 |
kerni | Tv: this sounds like a joke | 17:21 |
kerni | let me check :) | 17:21 |
Tv | Dommer? | 17:21 |
Tv | kerni: nope | 17:21 |
Tv | kerni: nose can do that magic too, it's just not default or recommended | 17:21 |
Tv | because it's so hideous and unreliable | 17:21 |
kerni | yep, right there on the website | 17:22 |
kerni | cool | 17:23 |
Tv | umm zooming in your code?-o | 17:23 |
kerni | AST-based math formatting | 17:23 |
Tv | this sounds more like writing code by clicking menus | 17:23 |
Tv | looks interesting, though | 17:24 |
kerni | summaries? :) | 17:24 |
Tv | "This is AST, I know this!" ? | 17:24 |
Tv | not three words, i know | 17:24 |
Tv | but relevant to the thread! | 17:24 |
tobixen | "Code Looks Cool" | 17:25 |
Tv | i always get that reaction from gratuitous zooming and panning | 17:25 |
Tv | "Reinventing Lisp Machines" ? | 17:25 |
Tv | the previous talk, that is | 17:25 |
kerni | nah, too general | 17:25 |
kerni | there wasn't much lips there | 17:26 |
kerni | *lisp | 17:26 |
Tv | so, summary! | 17:27 |
kerni | hmmm | 17:27 |
Tv | "Submit To Microsoft" ?-) | 17:27 |
kerni | "Another COM API" | 17:28 |
kerni | but we're still missing the zoom-on-code summary | 17:28 |
kerni | well, "Zoom On Code"? :) | 17:29 |
Tv | "See The `" | 17:29 |
Tv | (re guido) | 17:29 |
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Tv | "Probably Still Leaky" | 17:30 |
tobixen | :) | 17:30 |
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xenru | If you want to check code from my LTalk install it via $ easy_install pd.lib | 17:31 |
xenru | and get that code to check it http://python.pastebin.com/m79f7a3b3 | 17:31 |
kerni | "Cheap-Ass Sandboxing" | 17:32 |
Tv | ok, this one: "Buy Bazaar Support" again?-) | 17:32 |
Tv | ok this one: "Buy. Buy. Buy." | 17:33 |
Tv | ;) | 17:34 |
kerni | "Give Us Money"? | 17:34 |
xenru | is there is any online video? | 17:34 |
kerni | none we know of | 17:34 |
Tv | xenru: ustream.tv/europython, with luck | 17:34 |
Tv | maybe something later perhaps possibly | 17:34 |
xenru | cool, ty | 17:34 |
kerni | even using fuzzyobject, you still have to get the parameter names right | 17:36 |
tobixen | and the number of paranthesis and quotes and so on | 17:37 |
tobixen | not to forget the indentation ;-) | 17:37 |
kerni | Logix could help | 17:37 |
Tv | just run random mutations until unit tests pass | 17:37 |
kerni | genetic programming :D | 17:37 |
kerni | either that, or bang some more on the keys | 17:38 |
tobixen | with proper test code and enough number of monkeys banging randomly on the keyboards ... | 17:38 |
LarstiQ | Tv: or mutates the tests until they pass. | 17:39 |
xenru | I know, but I logic doing right even after 2 liter of beer :) | 17:39 |
Tv | LarstiQ: well test-first development means you first mutate tests until they no longer pass, then mutate code until they pass again | 17:39 |
LarstiQ | Tv: right | 17:39 |
LarstiQ | Tv: have you done anything with fuzzing btw? | 17:40 |
Tv | LarstiQ: mostly network-related | 17:40 |
xenru | nope, that just a toy | 17:40 |
Tv | feeding random packets through a firewall | 17:40 |
xenru | but thers is a lot of usefull pices of code in that package | 17:40 |
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LarstiQ | Tv: your mocking/fault injection reminded me of that | 17:41 |
Tv | oh yeah | 17:41 |
LarstiQ | Tv: http://libcaca.zoy.org/wiki/zzuf specifically | 17:41 |
Tv | LarstiQ: pick a random seed, decide your injects based on that, generate unit tests for different seeds | 17:41 |
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Tv | oh huh, i knew of zzuf but had not bookmarked it | 17:46 |
Tv | LarstiQ: thanks for reminding me | 17:46 |
LarstiQ | Tv: olka hyvää? :) | 17:47 |
Tv | LarstiQ: ole hyvä | 17:47 |
xenru | If you want something ask about FuzzyObject then I point you to author | 17:47 |
LarstiQ | Tv: thanks | 17:47 |
xenru | cray just join this channel | 17:47 |
Tv | that man is a hacker | 17:48 |
cray | Hi, all | 17:49 |
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cray | No, I am joker, not hacker ^) | 17:51 |
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olleolleolle | STMX? SDMX? Name of format? | 18:42 |
olleolleolle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDMX | 18:43 |
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tobixen | tv: I've thrown out some more thoughts (not complete, I'm too hungry to write more) on http://europython.org/FilesystemSprint | 19:41 |
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tobixen | skybar | 22:34 |
tobixen | too loud music here, impossible to chat | 22:35 |
xorAxAx | just use irc :) | 22:37 |
avn | huh, rest of people still drinks? | 22:39 |
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Honza | tobixen: but the view is great | 22:51 |
Tv | LarstiQ: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BI3PwBuwgV0 | 22:51 |
Honza | or ask them to tune it down a bit ;) | 22:52 |
Tv | LarstiQ: and the names were: uuden musiikin festivaali, koneisto, dbtl | 22:52 |
Tv | LarstiQ: ack if you saw those or i'll resend later | 22:53 |
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