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| * ThomasWaldmann updated the europython moin to 1.6.latest (fixes some bugs) and also copied some missing icons from modern to ep2008 theme | 17:46 | |
| dboddie | Looks good. :-) | 17:52 |
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| lac | thank you ThomasWaldmann | 18:04 |
| ThomasWaldmann | thank you for all your EP work :) | 18:06 |
| lac | does this fix the problem reported here? http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/europython-improve/2008-May/000193.html | 18:06 |
| ThomasWaldmann | i can't see it :) | 18:07 |
| ThomasWaldmann | what was the problem? | 18:07 |
| lac | you cannot reproduce the mailing list, or you cannot read that link? | 18:09 |
| lac | stop | 18:09 |
| lac | reboot brain and finger interface | 18:09 |
| ThomasWaldmann | it want mail and password :) | 18:09 |
| lac | you cannot reproduce the problem, or you cannot read the problem | 18:09 |
| lac | aha. | 18:09 |
| lac | hmm, where is a good pastebin for text? | 18:09 |
| ThomasWaldmann | paste.pocoo.org | 18:10 |
| lac | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/53207/ | 18:12 |
| ThomasWaldmann | no :) | 18:13 |
| ThomasWaldmann | i can fix that if we agree to rename the page shown when going to / url | 18:14 |
| lac | this is perfectly fine with me, but I am hardly the last word on such things. | 18:14 |
| ThomasWaldmann | e.g. if all EuroPython page content would be integrated into current FrontPage | 18:15 |
| ThomasWaldmann | then we could rename EuroPython to EuroPythonOld | 18:15 |
| ThomasWaldmann | then rename FrontPage to EuroPython | 18:15 |
| ThomasWaldmann | and then set page_front_page = u'EuroPython' | 18:16 |
| lac | This looks like a good fix to me. can you please do it? | 18:16 |
| ThomasWaldmann | (and add a FrontPage with just #redirect EuroPython in case someone has bookmarked FrontPage) | 18:16 |
| ThomasWaldmann | i am not allowed to edit FrontPage | 18:16 |
| dboddie | I might be able to edit it. | 18:17 |
| lac | I cannot. | 18:17 |
| ThomasWaldmann | the content on EuroPython page is partly duplicated on the current FrontPage anyway - just the history is missing) | 18:17 |
| dboddie | It's immutable for me. I'll have to ask Paul to do it. | 18:18 |
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| * ThomasWaldmann could sneak himself into acl_rights_before into the config, but I feel better if paul does that :) | 18:19 | |
| lac | Does Paul have enough information here to know what to do? (I think so.) | 18:20 |
| ThomasWaldmann | the wiki work I told above (and I can do the config work once it is agreed and pages are merged) | 18:21 |
| ThomasWaldmann | using FrontPage is a problem anyway - as soon as you install translations of moin pages, it will give you e.g. StartSeite for the german visitors instead | 18:21 |
| ThomasWaldmann | so it is recommended to not use FrontPage except you like to have a site available in multiple languages | 18:22 |
| lac | ok, I pasted all of this into mail to john pinner and paul boddie. Thanks Thomas | 18:40 |
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| dboddie | Thanks! | 18:54 |
| jacob22 | dboddie: I'm afraid I need a small change in the sponsorship brochure. The 160x80 image size should say 468x80. Do you think you could update and upload to the wiki? | 19:11 |
| dboddie | jacob22: I'll do it later today - I'm still at work. | 19:16 |
| zeth | Hi all | 19:24 |
| dboddie | zeth: You missed all the fun. | 19:31 |
| zeth | I'm sorry, what happened? | 19:33 |
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| dboddie | zeth: ThomasWaldmann updated the Wiki, but Paul needs to update the FrontPage. | 19:57 |
| zeth | cool | 20:00 |
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| pboddie | ThomasWaldmann: You were suggesting a fix for the FrontPage issue? | 21:02 |
| ThomasWaldmann | yes | 21:15 |
| ThomasWaldmann | the main fix of course needs patching everybody's brain, but until we have that, we can do a workaround | 21:16 |
| pboddie | What about changing the theme? | 21:16 |
| pboddie | I realised that we can change the way the title is generated. | 21:17 |
| ThomasWaldmann | no need | 21:17 |
| pboddie | Well, we'll need to change the theme anyway, since the layout is FrontPage-specific. | 21:17 |
| pboddie | If we change the name of the front page to something else, that is. | 21:17 |
| pboddie | Since I have some "interesting" page name-specific CSS rules, you see. | 21:18 |
| ThomasWaldmann | the name of the front page is in cfg.page_front_page | 21:18 |
| ThomasWaldmann | and we can change that to = u"EuroPython" | 21:18 |
| pboddie | True, but won't that just change the window title to "EuroPython - ep2008"? | 21:18 |
| ThomasWaldmann | can you do the content merge from EuroPython to FrontPage? | 21:19 |
| pboddie | And then I would also need to go and change the screen.css file, I guess. | 21:19 |
| ThomasWaldmann | pboddie: yes, but it is better anyway | 21:19 |
| ThomasWaldmann | huh? | 21:19 |
| pboddie | In the CSS, I have some extra rules for the background colour. I'll dig them out... | 21:20 |
| ThomasWaldmann | how is that affected? | 21:20 |
| pboddie | .page-FrontPage #page { | 21:20 |
| pboddie | background-color: #ccc9e2; | 21:20 |
| pboddie | padding: 0; | 21:20 |
| pboddie | } | 21:20 |
| pboddie | I needed a way of losing the page content background to have that "floating portlet" effect. | 21:20 |
| pboddie | Nasty, but necessary... unless you can suggest a better way. ;-) | 21:21 |
| ThomasWaldmann | hehe | 21:22 |
| ThomasWaldmann | you could try: | 21:26 |
| ThomasWaldmann | {{{#!wiki darkness | 21:26 |
| ThomasWaldmann | ... front page's content | 21:26 |
| ThomasWaldmann | }}} | 21:26 |
| ThomasWaldmann | and then define the darkness css | 21:27 |
| pboddie | I think you'll need to explain that one to me. | 21:27 |
| pboddie | Is that magic syntax for using CSS classes? | 21:27 |
| ThomasWaldmann | the wiki parser has css class params in 1.6 | 21:27 |
| pboddie | Per-page CSS should definitely be on the wishlist for MoinMoin. :-) | 21:28 |
| pboddie | A friend of mine was very much on the side of having the CSS in the Wiki, too. | 21:28 |
| ThomasWaldmann | well, with that it even has per section css :) | 21:29 |
| ThomasWaldmann | http://europython.org/HelpOnComments we use it also for that | 21:30 |
| pboddie | OK, I've just tested what you've suggested locally, and I guess it could work. | 21:39 |
| pboddie | It's the one line change in ep2008.py and the one line change to my CSS hack. | 21:39 |
| pboddie | Plus page edits. | 21:39 |
| pboddie | I'm actually a bit surprised that there isn't a #title pragma, though. I really expected something like that. | 21:40 |
| ThomasWaldmann | the html title is emitted before the page is even opened. | 21:44 |
| ThomasWaldmann | but it can be set from the configuration. | 21:45 |
| pboddie | Do you have the authority to make the change to ep2008.py? | 21:45 |
| ThomasWaldmann | at least I have the filessystem rights :) | 21:45 |
| pboddie | To the actual deployed ep2008.py? | 21:46 |
| ThomasWaldmann | yes | 21:46 |
| pboddie | Great! Then I think it best that you change that file and make the edit to screen.css. | 21:46 |
| pboddie | Then, I'll rename EuroPython to "Previous EuroPython Conferences" or some such, and then rename FrontPage to EuroPython. | 21:47 |
| ThomasWaldmann | ok | 21:47 |
| pboddie | Hopefully people will then no longer believe that we're using Microsoft tools to make the site. ;-) | 21:48 |
| ThomasWaldmann | tell me when you're ready with renaming | 21:49 |
| pboddie | I'm ready when you are! | 21:51 |
| pboddie | OK, I'll rename first, then. I guess it doesn't really matter. | 21:51 |
| ThomasWaldmann | it show EuroPython page now :) | 21:51 |
| pboddie | Can you change the CSS for me, too? | 21:53 |
| pboddie | themes/ep2008/css/screen.css | 21:53 |
| ThomasWaldmann | yes | 21:53 |
| ThomasWaldmann | ok | 21:54 |
| pboddie | Cool! We made it! ;-) | 21:54 |
| pboddie | There was talk about the favicon, but that's a luxury problem that I'm prepared to ignore for now. :-) | 21:55 |
| ThomasWaldmann | yeah, it's the moin default one | 21:55 |
| pboddie | Well, have to advertise it, don't we? ;-) | 21:56 |
| ThomasWaldmann | :) | 21:57 |
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| pboddie | We should perhaps make the theme available at some point, perhaps in a more limited form: we don't want EuroPython imitators, but some of the tricks might inspire other people to do better. | 21:58 |
| ThomasWaldmann | there's MoinMoin:ThemeMarket :) | 21:59 |
| ThomasWaldmann | do you have something for a favicon.ico? | 22:00 |
| ThomasWaldmann | we could steal from python.org :) | 22:00 |
| zeth | hmmm | 22:00 |
| zeth | Hi | 22:00 |
| ThomasWaldmann | hi zeth | 22:01 |
| zeth | Python.org don't like sharing their logos | 22:01 |
| pboddie | Zeth has a PSF logo stealing alert lamp on his console. ;-) | 22:01 |
| zeth | hi ThomasWaldmann how are you? | 22:01 |
| pboddie | Or maybe there's a Python equivalent to the bat signal. | 22:01 |
| zeth | well the amount of bull the PSF and their logos have generated | 22:01 |
| ThomasWaldmann | when I can do python or wiki, I am usually feeling good :D | 22:01 |
| zeth | Best to keep away from them as far as logos are concerned until the current flamewars die down | 22:02 |
| ThomasWaldmann | uuh, that bad? | 22:03 |
| zeth | yeah | 22:03 |
| ThomasWaldmann | (well, no problem with me, I think the current py logo is a bit ugly anyway :) | 22:03 |
| zeth | lol | 22:03 |
| zeth | I think the "Ikea logo" is okay | 22:03 |
| zeth | but not good enough to threaten each other over | 22:03 |
| pboddie | Let's go swipe the Ikea logo instead! ;-) | 22:04 |
| zeth | lol! | 22:04 |
| zeth | I found an E in free favicons | 22:04 |
| zeth | or there is the old green snake favicon | 22:04 |
| zeth | the old python logo | 22:04 |
| pboddie | I did a cool logo, but I think you'll have to wait until EP to see it. | 22:04 |
| zeth | oh right | 22:04 |
| zeth | a logo of what? | 22:04 |
| pboddie | It's not Python-specific, but there's a huge in-joke factor related to Python. | 22:05 |
| pboddie | And only a few other open source projects would get the reference. | 22:05 |
| zeth | okay | 22:05 |
| ThomasWaldmann | did anybody make a t-shirt yet with "I can show you my Python!" :) | 22:05 |
| zeth | I liked this logo http://www.europython.org/wiki/ep2008/img/logo/logoEPC2008_01.jpg | 22:05 |
| pboddie | And it'll be on a T-shirt which my brother will hopefully choose to wear. | 22:06 |
| zeth | I might write to the guy and see if he can put it in red and blue | 22:06 |
| zeth | I like this also http://flickr.com/photos/10661825@N07/1999094067/ | 22:06 |
| pboddie | I thought this one was good, if a bit General Electric (but in a good, retro way): http://www.europython.org/wiki/ep2008/img/logo/europython-112x80.png | 22:07 |
| pboddie | Scary Oeuf de serpent! | 22:07 |
| * ThomasWaldmann wants a snake eating a camel | 22:08 | |
| * pboddie thought he saw such a logo once upon a time. | 22:08 | |
| ThomasWaldmann | btw, there WERE Pythons trying to eat rather big alligators | 22:09 |
| zeth | yeah | 22:09 |
| zeth | that would be a cool logo | 22:09 |
| zeth | especially if the alligator has "Trademark lawyer" written on the side ;) | 22:09 |
| ThomasWaldmann | well, it was fatal for python and alligator | 22:12 |
| ThomasWaldmann | any more moin changes? | 22:14 |
| * pboddie changes the talk submission deadlines. | 22:15 | |
| * pboddie tries to think of the best way to say that we're extending the talk submissions deadline. | 22:22 | |
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