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| pboddie | Did we figure out the DNS? And what's to happen to the old site? Anyone? | 00:30 |
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| pboddie | A whois on europython.org gives some information, but was anything decided? | 00:30 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: i dont think so, didnt you suggest using the mailing list? | 00:35 |
| pboddie | I guess I'll chase it up on there, yes. | 00:35 |
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| dougn | just got our first double ACK from paypal!!! (not a double billing... just a double silent post back) | 00:47 |
| xorAxAx | why is that bad? | 00:48 |
| dougn | its not... just anoying | 00:53 |
| dougn | two e-mail notifications were sent to the registrant | 00:53 |
| xorAxAx | its ... redudancy :_) | 00:53 |
| lac | pboddie its ivo who has the site. | 00:53 |
| lac | I think we should archive the old site, in case we need to look things up from it. | 00:54 |
| pboddie | lac: Agreed! | 00:54 |
| dougn | xorAxAx: the real problems are the missing ACK's... :-) had 6 of those... :-) | 00:54 |
| pboddie | I attempted to copy stuff like details of talks, schedules into the Wiki. It was a challenge to find some of the information after all this time. | 00:54 |
| dougn | That is one part of the pycon rst wiki that will be nice (once its done). Export to a tree of rst/html files for static serving after the fact :-) | 00:55 |
| dougn | **once its done | 00:55 |
| lac | ivo at m3r.nl is his current address, I think. | 00:56 |
| pboddie | lac: Shall I contact him, then? Strange that it isn't him listed in the whois record, I don't think. | 01:00 |
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| pboddie | dougn: The Web archive was very useful for the really old stuff. | 01:00 |
| pboddie | As you can see from the http://europython.pyconuk.org/community/EuroPython page. | 01:02 |
| dougn | pboddie: well we also want to ba able to archive off say all of last years data into a form that can be checked into SVN and served up with just apache. | 01:14 |
| dougn | also the rstpages framework allows for serving up of .rst files under any new skin, so the old files under the origional URL's could be brought back with a new skin (or imported into a new site) | 01:15 |
| dougn | lots to do at the sprint | 01:15 |
| pboddie | dougn: Sounds like a nice idea. The current Wiki was archived straight from the filesystem on my personal machine and then given to John and Zeth. The same magic should be possible later on, although my script deliberately discarded the history. As xorAxAx can tell you, you could more easily just archive the whole Wiki, but I wanted to spare John all my early edits. | 01:16 |
| dougn | :-) | 01:17 |
| dougn | same situation here. | 01:17 |
| pboddie | Does the PyCon Tech Wiki only support rst? | 01:17 |
| dougn | yup | 01:17 |
| dougn | its not a full wiki yet | 01:17 |
| dougn | and its more of a wiki framework | 01:17 |
| dougn | I am not looking to replace Moinmoin or other wiki's | 01:17 |
| pboddie | It's funny that on the Python Wiki, some pages are in rst, and I saw someone make an edit complaining that links didn't seem to work properly... because the link syntax was obviously rst, not MoinMoin. Quite easy to miss at a glance, I imagine. | 01:18 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: there is a script that "reduces" every wiki page to a single revision | 01:18 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: I knew you'd say that! ;-) I didn't bother looking - it was all so easy, anyway. | 01:19 |
| xorAxAx | oh, i did already? :) | 01:19 |
| xorAxAx | anyway, good night | 01:19 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: G'night! | 01:19 |
| dougn | the point of the PyCon-Tech rstpages is more than just a wiki... that is just one potential app. really its about creating editable online content and integrating that with django apps.. | 01:19 |
| dougn | night! | 01:19 |
| pboddie | How come you didn't just co-host MoinMoin with the Django stuff? If I may ask... | 01:20 |
| dougn | I wanted to | 01:20 |
| dougn | The problem was I dont know how to set up and Admin MoinMoin | 01:20 |
| dougn | there ere issues with getting it on the server | 01:20 |
| dougn | no one would help | 01:20 |
| dougn | so I spent 8 hours and wrote my own wiki | 01:21 |
| dougn | thats not the full story.... we needed something that we could fully integrate with... I didn't have time to learn MoinMoin to that level, and I couldnt find help | 01:21 |
| pboddie | It's interesting about the roll-your-own approach since writing Wikis is one of those things that lots of the Web frameworks have promoted as something you do yourself. | 01:23 |
| dougn | IF you look at the main about page: http://us.pycon.org/2008/about/ that is a wiki page... the blog feed at the bottom (which used to be where the sponsors are now) are part of the integration | 01:23 |
| dougn | yea... well I believe in having all the features... | 01:23 |
| dougn | We have the RSS feeds (everywhere) | 01:24 |
| dougn | change history, deltas, etc. | 01:24 |
| dougn | need to add revision locking (currently if two people edit the same page at the same time, the second 'save' wins). | 01:24 |
| pboddie | I think MoinMoin seems pretty heavy at first. At EP2006, Thomas Waldmann gave me a tour of the code, and some of it looked pretty nasty. But when it came to trying the EP site as a Wiki, given that I'd been editing MoinMoin Wikis a lot, I decided to dive in and take another look. | 01:24 |
| dougn | MoinMoin is daunting at first... I think I have a better handle on it now... Still Integrating django into it or visa versa is still beyond me. | 01:25 |
| pboddie | It's actually not that bad; perhaps I remembered stuff from the tour! Nevertheless, I did get a good feeling from what Thomas and Alexander were doing with respect to Internet-level reliability: there's all sorts of counter-measures in there against bad behaviour. | 01:26 |
| pboddie | If I wanted to integrate it with anything, I think I'd take the easy approach and just have Apache serve it under a different URL hierarchy. | 01:27 |
| dougn | Well we need dynamic content on teh same page that is editable | 01:27 |
| dougn | http://us.pycon.org/2008/tutorials/schedule/ | 01:27 |
| pboddie | Not sure what the RSS support is like outside the RecentChanges, but perhaps page subscriptions support RSS, too. | 01:28 |
| dougn | there is full support. | 01:28 |
| dougn | and MoinMoin has support for e-mailing people on edits | 01:28 |
| dougn | I decided that that was too cumbersome.. un needed if we had the rss | 01:28 |
| dougn | not looking to be MoinMoin :-) | 01:29 |
| dougn | the real power of the rstpages comes in when you look at django flatpages and the sites framework. | 01:29 |
| dougn | Also next year I will advertise the 'Perosnal PyCon Notebook' app (which is just the rstpages again) | 01:30 |
| dougn | *Personal | 01:30 |
| dougn | Do you think there is an easy way to inject django templates into a moinmoin page? | 01:34 |
| dougn | I personally would rather go that route... | 01:34 |
| dougn | have the wiki be the master/base for the site | 01:35 |
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| Aiste | lac: the hotel is free for that time, just checked | 14:34 |
| Aiste | should i submit a request to book the conf rooms and was last years rooms ok or do we need different/more rooms? | 14:34 |
| lac | I think we should book exactly the same, and then if it looks like attendence is way up we can consider adding more later. | 15:00 |
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| lac_ | back | 15:47 |
| Aiste | lac_: ok, will do so then | 16:53 |
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| lac_ | great. and then it is time to put the dates on the website, which I cannot edit. I wonder who can. mwh is in NZ these days. | 16:59 |
| lac_ | Paul, I suppose. | 16:59 |
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