| Kypeli | Stskeeps: Yeah - the latter :) | 00:00 |
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| chouchoune | we'll know who won in 2 or 3 years | 00:00 |
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| Kypeli | Stskeeps: But in the end, Meego.com in itself has no value for Nokia - Nokia needed a smartphone they could ship. This didn't happen with or without Meego.com | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli: yeah | 00:00 |
| Kypeli | But having worked for MeeGo harmattan - I can only say that oh boy did they try their best :) | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of fingers can be pointed at execution, for sure | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | and choices, etc | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | but we're here now | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | (denial phase or hope? hmm) | 00:02 |
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| pupnik | is there a decent htc phone with portrait keyboard that can run meego? | 00:03 |
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| wmarone | pupnik: sure, most will I believe. no accelerated 3D though | 00:07 |
| pupnik | then useless! | 00:09 |
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| sivang_LG_TOP | pinchartl: agreed | 00:25 |
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| CosmoHill | would meego run on a HTC Desire ? | 00:35 |
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| lcukn900 | cosmohill, which night is topgear on? | 01:08 |
| CosmoHill | sunday | 01:08 |
| lcukn900 | cool, ta. | 01:09 |
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| CosmoHill | having a look at LG pop and cookie | 01:09 |
| CosmoHill | physically they look nice, the specs are poop | 01:10 |
| lcukn900 | there are a lot of shiney devices. | 01:10 |
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| lcukn900 | its cool watching the guys bring meego up on them. | 01:11 |
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| lcukn900 | I think vgrade has high score so far. | 01:11 |
| CosmoHill | 3 or 4 I think | 01:11 |
| CosmoHill | my nokia is literary falling to bits (me pulling on them can't help) | 01:12 |
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| * lcukn900 can only file/chase/poke at bugs and awestruck by adaption teams | 01:12 | |
| lcukn900 | which nokia? | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | 6220 classic | 01:12 |
| lcukn900 | cool | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | annoyingly it's not listed on the Nokia UK website | 01:12 |
| lcukn900 | which OS does it run? | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | S60 | 01:12 |
| lcukn900 | so what spec hardware is that? | 01:14 |
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| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6220c | 01:14 |
| CosmoHill | I tried it for a week to see if I'd replace my SE K800i with it | 01:14 |
| CosmoHill | that was about a year ago i think | 01:14 |
| lcukn900 | cool | 01:15 |
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| lcukn900 | its quite powerful then :) | 01:15 |
| CosmoHill | so I shouldn't replace it with a £50 LG? | 01:15 |
| lcukn900 | does it make calls? | 01:16 |
| lcukn900 | does it do everything you need? | 01:16 |
| CosmoHill | mostly, battery dies mid call and only ever mid call | 01:16 |
| lcukn900 | that is not good, perhaps replace battery as first step? | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | it needs a new battery, case and I broke the keypad on wednesday | 01:17 |
| lcukn900 | doh | 01:18 |
| CosmoHill | one big problem I have is that I keep comparing all camera's to my DSLR | 01:18 |
| Jartza | whee | 01:19 |
| Jartza | I fixed my other N900 | 01:19 |
| lcukn900 | you would look funny holding dslr to your ear! | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | for a phone it has a good camera tho | 01:19 |
| Jartza | now I have two working ones | 01:19 |
| lcukn900 | yayyy jartza | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 01:19 |
| Jartza | I can dedicate the other to meego | 01:19 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, that's a road fraught with disappointment. | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | comparing phones to DSLRs? | 01:20 |
| Jartza | or should I try to install WP7 to my N900? *grin* | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | when the phone wins it means it's time for a new camera | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | I think I get windows mobile from uni | 01:21 |
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| GAN900 | CosmoHill, yes. | 01:22 |
| GAN900 | Phone really wont ever win. | 01:22 |
| GAN900 | Sensor size and all. | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | it's good for when I need to take a pic and I don't have my proper camera on me | 01:23 |
| lcukn900 | gan900 we could use entire back of device as sensor | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | CosmoHill, it's similar to the N95 right? | 01:23 |
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| GAN900 | I wish you could get the N900's camera up fast enough for that. | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | lcukn900, and where will you put the lens? :) | 01:23 |
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| lcukn900 | gan900 you want a proper camera but with a fixed lens? interchangable sir, interchangable! | 01:24 |
| lcukn900 | clip on a telephoto one! | 01:24 |
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| CosmoHill | MohammadAG: no idea | 01:25 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: do you think meego could go on a 6220c? | 01:28 |
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| CosmoHill | how does phones like the n900 perform if the user has sweaty / clammy hands? | 01:49 |
| wmarone | fine, in my experience | 01:50 |
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| alterego | CosmoHill: yeah, fine for me, not sure what you mean :P | 01:51 |
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| CosmoHill | I was using my mates LG pop and pretty much stroking it trying to get it to scroll down | 01:57 |
| sivang | okay, so not all is lost: | 01:57 |
| sivang | http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php | 01:57 |
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| sivang | thank god for kde | 01:58 |
| sivang | and kde e.V | 01:58 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: no capacitve display can ever come close | 02:21 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: I use it with complete wet hands or under heavy rain | 02:22 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: it does not even blink | 02:22 |
| sivang | unless I get an SMS :) | 02:22 |
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| CosmoHill | the n900 or lg pop? | 02:22 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: n900 | 02:22 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: my lg top has the worst keyboard and touchpad ever | 02:22 |
| sivang | worst | 02:22 |
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| sivang | http://www.ubergizmo.com/2009/10/lg-x-note-t380-goes-to-the-fat-house/ | 02:23 |
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| sivang | but it runs linux amazingly and lasts for 10 hours without charge on ubuntu | 02:23 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: windows 7 c, 7 hours | 02:23 |
| sivang | s/c// | 02:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | i get about 10 hours out of meego netbook from this eeePC 1005PEG | 02:24 |
| sivang | meego is od as well | 02:24 |
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| sivang | meego's boot time is amazing | 02:24 |
| thiago_home | sivang: the free qt foundation would kick in if nokia stopped releasing feature updates of Qt for 12 months | 02:24 |
| thiago_home | but all that would get is Qt licensed as BSD | 02:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | sivang: indeed. I run a modified meego core on both my Archos 9 and Joggler | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | sivang: to run our Orbiter software | 02:25 |
| thiago_home | quite frankly, if Qt were to live on as an independent OSS project, LGPL is better | 02:25 |
| sivang | thiago_home: right, I just realized | 02:25 |
| thiago_home | forces people to contribute back their improvements -- see webkit | 02:25 |
| sivang | thiago_home: since then a vendor could take it close it give a copyright nice | 02:25 |
| sivang | notice | 02:25 |
| sivang | and that's it | 02:25 |
| sivang | we need to reopn the agreenemnt | 02:25 |
| sivang | and change it to GPL | 02:25 |
| thiago_home | no need | 02:25 |
| thiago_home | Qt is already LGPL | 02:25 |
| sivang | even if NOkia steps down? | 02:26 |
| thiago_home | it's *already* LGPL | 02:26 |
| thiago_home | irrevocable | 02:26 |
| sivang | ah | 02:26 |
| sivang | right | 02:26 |
| berndhs | this version is LGPL, nothing anyone can do about it | 02:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | one of the many reasons Microsoft hates the LGPL | 02:26 |
| sivang | when Richard visit Israelnxt month, I am going to kiss his beard | 02:27 |
| sivang | :) | 02:27 |
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| sivang | well, maybe just in spirit :) | 02:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | sivang: dude, he hasn't taken a bath in 47 years... ;) | 02:27 |
| sivang | TSCHAKeee: OL | 02:27 |
| sivang | see up | 02:27 |
| sivang | TSCHAKeee: yes, I just gave thought to this and rephrased | 02:28 |
| berndhs | Israelis are used to living in danger :) | 02:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | i see him from time to time here in Cambridge | 02:28 |
| sivang | berndhs: true true | 02:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | he always...wears...the same clothes.... | 02:28 |
| sivang | berndhs: we suffer and danger for a living | 02:28 |
| sivang | berndhs: were you the guy waiting with me to get hte meego idepad? | 02:28 |
| sivang | berndhs: that visited here and rented a car? | 02:28 |
| berndhs | no, never been anywhere near the place | 02:29 |
| berndhs | "Bernd" is a common name | 02:29 |
| sivang | sure | 02:30 |
| * CosmoHill normalised a database | 02:31 | |
| CosmoHill | shame I can do the same to humans | 02:31 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: normal people tend to be boring | 02:31 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: heh , I recall the databases course | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | I'm still to go to a lecture drunk or with a hang over | 02:32 |
| sivang | better drunk | 02:32 |
| sivang | hung over is just a pain | 02:32 |
| berndhs | yeah i recommend drunk | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | a pint a lunch should do it | 02:32 |
| sivang | plus relational algebra makes much more sense when you are drunk | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | losens the mind to move the letters about | 02:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | i used to go to class with an irish coffee in my stomach. | 02:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | it made class very enjoyable. ;) | 02:33 |
| berndhs | perhaps even makes relational algebra seem interesting | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | irish coffee == brilliant balance | 02:34 |
| sivang | I woner what nokia strategy this servers? I mean, qt runs nicely on windows right? http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engadget.com%2F2011%2F02%2F11%2Fnokia-notifies-developers-that-qt-is-out-for-windows-phone-devel%2F&h=12716 | 02:34 |
| sivang | *serves | 02:34 |
| sivang | heck, symbian development is only on windows if not using remote compiler :) | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: eeeewwww, coffee | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | and you call yourself a coder?! | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | if I go to uni with irish in my stomach people might get the wrong idea | 02:35 |
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| sivang | berndhs: heh right on | 02:36 |
| smoku | TSCHAKeee, coffe has a nice effect of removing dizzyness of alcohol ;-) | 02:36 |
| EdLin | sivang: it serves a very simple strategy, Microsoft doesn't want portability to other platforms, and Microsoft now owns nokia. | 02:37 |
| smoku | TSCHAKeee, I used to use beer+espresso combo :) | 02:37 |
| EdLin | sivang: Elop left Microsoft only in September of last year, after the announcement, he's replaced three executives with former Microsoft employees. This is not a partnership, it is a coup. | 02:38 |
| sivang | EdLin: this can't be it. I read on #kde-cafe that wp is not windows, it does not even have anative sdk | 02:38 |
| smoku | EdLin, if you look broader it may turn out to be better portability. Mono and friends are very compatible with miscrosoft APIs | 02:38 |
| sivang | so maybe it is an effort to port it here | 02:38 |
| EdLin | smoku: mono and friends are in violation of several Microsoft patents, and Microsoft hasn't exactly been warm towards their efforts. | 02:39 |
| smoku | EdLin, Miguel has a different opinion :) | 02:39 |
| EdLin | Miguel has a lot of opinions that are... different. | 02:40 |
| smoku | :D | 02:40 |
| EdLin | Miquel makes the same mistake Nokia is making, trusting Microsoft. | 02:41 |
| smoku | it's all just flexing muscles, until someone brings it to the court ;-) | 02:41 |
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| smoku | well yesssss.... | 02:42 |
| smoku | and in the end GNOME will rule the world :> | 02:42 |
| EdLin | smoku: Mircrosoft is waiting until Mono becomes a greater part of the Linux ecosystem, they won't do too much damage as long as it's only a marginal part of it, so they're only saying they can sue, and not suing. | 02:43 |
| EdLin | smoku: GNOME is not even going to rule Ubuntu, what makes you think it's going to rule the world? ;-) | 02:43 |
| EdLin | GTk, maybe, I'll grant you that. :-) | 02:44 |
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| smoku | superior technologies olways win overall | 02:44 |
| smoku | *always | 02:44 |
| sivang | http://qt.nokia.com/developer/learning/online/talks/developerdays2010/tech-talks/qt-for-cross-platform-mobile-development | 02:44 |
| EdLin | GNOME is a superior technology? in what way. | 02:44 |
| sivang | very nice talk I liked in Munich | 02:44 |
| sivang | recommended | 02:44 |
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| smoku | EdLin, I'm not talking about gnome-desktop (especially with the crazy stuff they are doing in gnome3) | 02:45 |
| EdLin | brb, nature calls. | 02:45 |
| smoku | EdLin, but yes, GTK+ and the other core gnome technologies. that BTW are part of meego core :) | 02:45 |
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| sivang | I conclude that if it was easy to get qt to WP7 it would be allowd, since what does microsoft cares if more apps run on their platform? | 02:47 |
| sivang | and they have even easier transition path for symbian developers? | 02:48 |
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| smoku | sivang, symbian developers are used to brain-dead APIs anyway ;-) | 02:49 |
| aholler | ms doesn't want qt because that free's you from their stuff | 02:49 |
| smoku | same thing Apple does | 02:50 |
| smoku | banning toolkits from their devices | 02:50 |
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| sivang | microsoft actually funds some open development, so I can't just buy this upfront | 02:51 |
| sivang | http://ironpython.net/ | 02:51 |
| sivang | they have been funding this open source development, sure for .net | 02:51 |
| sivang | but it can use proper python not just .net | 02:52 |
| sivang | so not all is black or white for me | 02:52 |
| wmarone | microsoft is very selective on the open source code they support | 02:52 |
| wmarone | and it always ties in with use of their platforms | 02:53 |
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| EdLin | sivang: are there any ironpython apps for WP7? | 02:54 |
| EdLin | WP7 only allows XNA or Silverlight apps as far as I know... | 02:54 |
| sivang | it runs under silverlight | 02:54 |
| wmarone | but ironpython is moot, as they want you to use .NET | 02:54 |
| wmarone | and the only viable set of .NET libraries are Microsoft's | 02:55 |
| sivang | http://ironpython.net/browser/docs.html | 02:55 |
| wmarone | Mono is behind and will continue to be behind | 02:55 |
| javispedro | ms dropped funding for ironpython some months ago iirc | 02:55 |
| javispedro | not to mention that it never worked on wp7 | 02:55 |
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| sivang | javispedro: ah, bad | 02:56 |
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| javispedro | (the fact that they ever did is still an interesting point though) | 02:56 |
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| sivang | why did it never work on silverlight and how do you know this? :) | 02:57 |
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| javispedro | because I have had to ignore tens of "Please let me use ironpython on wp7"-like posts on the ms newsgroups | 02:58 |
| wmarone | javispedro: well, interesting only in that it's not a microsoft language | 02:58 |
| smoku | javispedro, weren't some big universities teaching Python on computer science? | 02:58 |
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| javispedro | smoku: probably, it is a very academical language design | 02:59 |
| sivang | amazing how many sleepless nights without actual work this announcement has caused :) | 02:59 |
| smoku | javispedro, maybe this is the answer. (oh, you can do that on windows too) | 02:59 |
| smoku | s/windows/.net/ | 03:00 |
| sivang | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/dumol/microsoft_has_cut_funding_for_the_development_of/ | 03:00 |
| sivang | darn | 03:00 |
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| sivang | javispedro: what were you doing on hose ms newsgroups? | 03:00 |
| javispedro | "real life" work | 03:01 |
| sivang | oh :) | 03:01 |
| javispedro | =) | 03:01 |
| sivang | javispedro: now nokia can be part of it :p | 03:02 |
| javispedro | smoku: yeah, but as per the link sivang just shared, they did the same with IronRuby. IronRuby on universities would be a surprise =) | 03:02 |
| javispedro | smoku: so my guess is just goodwill PR generation | 03:02 |
| sivang | real night now, cheers all, monday is almost here :) | 03:03 |
| javispedro | cya sivang | 03:03 |
| sivang | cheers javispedro :) | 03:03 |
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| * javispedro --> bed too. | 03:04 | |
| CosmoHill | I should go to bed | 03:04 |
| CosmoHill | databases and Young Frankenstien | 03:05 |
| javispedro | yeah, monday is mwc, also nokia's dev event :) | 03:05 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 03:17 |
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| sivang | re all | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:11 |
| RST38h | moo Stskeeps | 10:11 |
| sivang | hey Stskeeps | 10:12 |
| sivang | RST38h: | 10:12 |
| sivang | cast our votes: http://tinyurl.com/5vlz4er | 10:14 |
| sivang | your | 10:14 |
| sivang | *your | 10:14 |
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| djszapi | sivang: hehe android is the first currently :) | 10:19 |
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| sivang | djszapi: it would have been the least detour from current strategy in my view | 10:25 |
| sivang | djszapi: not to mention lighthouse which Nokia couldteam up with google to make it a standard on Android | 10:25 |
| sivang | djszapi: I am sure many developer who prefer other apis than java would have chosen it | 10:26 |
| thiago_home | do you think google wants that? | 10:26 |
| thiago_home | google wants that as much as microsoft wants it on wp | 10:26 |
| djszapi | yeah :) | 10:26 |
| sivang | I thought they suported open source.. | 10:28 |
| sivang | oh well | 10:28 |
| thiago_home | supporting open source != shipping all of open source on their devices | 10:28 |
| sivang | thiago_home: still android would have been a better take while letting meego become better. plus I am sure meego team could have used knowledge learned customizing the android handsets for nokia | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | android would have made sense from hardware adaptation POV, same skillset needed (linux kernel), at least | 10:29 |
| thiago_home | management disagrees | 10:29 |
| sivang | I wonder if that why the deal did not work out with google, as Elop said Nokia wouldnot be able to differntiate itself | 10:29 |
| thiago_home | and I agree with management | 10:29 |
| sivang | Stskeeps+++ | 10:29 |
| thiago_home | there's no future in android | 10:29 |
| sivang | thiago_home: is there future in silverllight? | 10:29 |
| thiago_home | we have to believe there is | 10:30 |
| sivang | thiago_home: or the struggling wp7 platform? | 10:30 |
| thiago_home | before the announcement, there was an article on FT saying operators want an option around iphone-android | 10:30 |
| sivang | I agreethat android devices are afectionaly called adnoird devices :) | 10:30 |
| thiago_home | nokia being another android player doesn't make a difference for them | 10:30 |
| sivang | ah right, so not stronghold in us market | 10:30 |
| sivang | *no | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: so, did you grab latest daily for n900? | 10:31 |
| thiago_home | look at it from the operators' point of view: if all of the smartphone market is dominated by google and apple, they have no say | 10:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: tried dopwnloading before I went to sleep, download stalled , lt me retry | 10:31 |
| thiago_home | operators defnitely want a third (and even a fourth and fifth) option, so they can play one against the other | 10:32 |
| thiago_home | to differentiate one operator from the others | 10:32 |
| thiago_home | so nokia becoming an android player probably wouldn't have support from operators | 10:32 |
| sivang | yes | 10:32 |
| sivang | realized that | 10:32 |
| sivang | just now | 10:32 |
| sivang | :) | 10:32 |
| sivang | It is just not much of an option, and a very closed set of technologies that for Nokia after converting too almost impossibl to go back | 10:33 |
| thiago_home | nokia's option was to either bring others into what it was building or join what others were already doing | 10:33 |
| thiago_home | I know, I know | 10:33 |
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| thiago_home | I understand the reason and the strategy, I don't have to like it | 10:33 |
| sivang | thiago_home: yes :) | 10:34 |
| sivang | we agreed on that | 10:34 |
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| sivang | so lighthouse is completely community driven? nofinancial backing? | 10:34 |
| thiago_home | lighthouse is backed by the company | 10:34 |
| thiago_home | Embedded Linux is still quite important for us | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | it's also the path to wayland | 10:35 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: trunk:testing or just trunk? | 10:35 |
| ketas | why operator should care about phones? | 10:35 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: to Intel ? | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | djszapi: huh? | 10:35 |
| djszapi | what does this wayland mean ? | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | wayland | 10:36 |
| thiago_home | replacing X | 10:36 |
| ketas | isp's never care about computers people use | 10:36 |
| sivang | thiago_home: yes, but does microsoft want that? | 10:36 |
| sivang | thiago_home: to come from their newest and most promising partner? | 10:36 |
| thiago_home | probably not | 10:36 |
| sivang | thiago_home: I mean, wayland based embedded linux | 10:36 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: k, but what is the reasonable other end of the wayland, intel ? | 10:36 |
| sivang | wayland looks sexy | 10:36 |
| thiago_home | but I don't care what MS wants | 10:36 |
| thiago_home | haven't cared for 14 years | 10:36 |
| sivang | thiago_home++ | 10:36 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: trunk for more qaing or :testing for more usable image? :) | 10:37 |
| thiago_home | and I also think nokia needs to keep knowledge in-house to deliver a non-MS platform if it needs to | 10:37 |
| thiago_home | the big problem is going to be retaining that talent | 10:37 |
| ketas | maybe bunch of nokia workers start Renokia | 10:38 |
| sivang | agreed I hope this will be done regardless of my hope for the way forward with re-introducing MeeGo :) | 10:38 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: I do not see right now how that could happen without Intel. | 10:39 |
| ketas | "reconnecting people" | 10:39 |
| thiago_home | djszapi: why are you saying without intel? | 10:39 |
| thiago_home | intel is committed to meego | 10:39 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: what do I choose again ? http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.3.20110211.6/handset/images/ | 10:39 |
| djszapi | yes. | 10:39 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: -devel yes? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: n900-devel is a big image, yeah | 10:40 |
| djszapi | I am also speaking about the Qt framework future and I think the last hope is Intel :P | 10:40 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: with all inside, like qt and devel tools ? | 10:40 |
| ketas | they start making phones too? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | qt isn't going anywhere, it seems | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: no | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: just a bigger image | 10:40 |
| ketas | intel'ligent phones | 10:40 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: okay soincludes latest additions to core ? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: right | 10:40 |
| djszapi | ketas: hehe :) | 10:40 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: k, downloading | 10:40 |
| Myrtti | ketas: if you think that ISP's don't care what OS's their customers run, you're mistaken | 10:41 |
| ketas | they care? | 10:41 |
| ketas | point out a isp | 10:41 |
| Myrtti | ketas: if I had been given an ounce of gold every time I've had to pretend I run Windows when I'm calling to ISP helpdesk to get past the first tier "reboot your windows, did it fix the problem?" I'd be a rich lady living in the French Riviera | 10:42 |
| sivang | Myrtti: sameholds for ALL israeli ips, small and big | 10:42 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: but I do not know how much Intel is committed to Qt and I cannot mention any reason in long term why Nokia would be committed to that. | 10:42 |
| Myrtti | though it's easier to pretend running a mac | 10:43 |
| ketas | my isp's helpdesk once said how come your adsl connection even works without windows | 10:43 |
| Myrtti | that they can somehow relate to | 10:43 |
| sivang | Myrtti: have you rebooted windows? please etner safe mode , okay now let us connect directly using our dialer for windows.. | 10:43 |
| ketas | but it's changed now | 10:43 |
| Myrtti | sivang: yeah, about six years ago | 10:43 |
| Myrtti | that's when I rebooted it last | 10:43 |
| ketas | heck, ubuntu is sold on laptops | 10:43 |
| sivang | besides www.netvision.net.il | 10:43 |
| ketas | preinstalled | 10:43 |
| ketas | and there are macs | 10:43 |
| sivang | all the rest are the same | 10:43 |
| sivang | Ubuntu made an amazing thing forcing isps to start support it | 10:44 |
| sivang | even in slow adopter like Israel | 10:44 |
| Myrtti | ketas: I know, mine came with it. Although I nuked the installation immediately to install a newer version of Xubuntu, but oh well | 10:44 |
| ketas | support what? | 10:44 |
| Myrtti | can't have everything | 10:44 |
| ketas | dhcp runs everywhere | 10:44 |
| ketas | also pppoe | 10:45 |
| Myrtti | although I have to confess my ISP seems to have a clue and the higher tiers of support seem to understand when I tell them that I've run tracepath in my linux and I can tell the problem is in their end | 10:45 |
| Myrtti | anyway | 10:45 |
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| * sivang will tryto avoid all thos companies he trie to promote into qt who said they don't trust nokia anymore and feel more safe betting on Android | 10:46 | |
| ketas | my isp is thankfully phasing out pppoe | 10:46 |
| sivang | companies == colleagues in them in decision making positions :) | 10:46 |
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| sivang | I even approached IMA to organize a qt event with meegoon my own, to which I was supposed to get a response sometime this week | 10:47 |
| sivang | http://www.imaworld.org/ | 10:47 |
| sivang | I have a good friend contact there.. | 10:47 |
| Myrtti | chuggachuggachugga says the little home server, and renders minecraft world maps | 10:48 |
| ketas | service providers should provide service _only_ | 10:48 |
| wmarone | ketas: should | 10:48 |
| wmarone | but here in the US, they're greedy and overreaching | 10:48 |
| ketas | thankfully i don't live there | 10:49 |
| Myrtti | my ISP has lately started to sell audiobooks and ebooks | 10:49 |
| Myrtti | which I find a nice addition | 10:49 |
| ketas | mine sells hardware too, tv's computers, but service is till there, not tied to anything | 10:49 |
| ketas | s/till/still/ | 10:49 |
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| Tm_T | Myrtti: that's Elisa, right? | 10:51 |
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| Myrtti | Tm_T: yup | 10:51 |
| ketas | in finland? | 10:52 |
| Myrtti | yup | 10:52 |
| ketas | are elisa good there? | 10:52 |
| kyb3R | most of the time | 10:53 |
| Myrtti | personal life has recently come into my way of developing an audiobook player with QML... I wonder when I'll have energy for it... | 10:53 |
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| ukas | so whos coming to tampere for meego summit after fridays announcement? | 10:53 |
| djszapi | everybody :) | 10:53 |
| ukas | :) | 10:53 |
| * thiago_home had to cancel because it's too close to Easter | 10:53 | |
| thiago_home | did it before the announcement | 10:54 |
| thiago_home | but I'll be in SF | 10:54 |
| rmt | Would love to see Meego be picked up by another company and made a success. :-) | 10:54 |
| Myrtti | I wish I knew where I'll be on Tuesday, can't predict up to the Tampere event anymore | 10:54 |
| ukas | i signed up for it, since it is in my hometown | 10:54 |
| Myrtti | ho-hum | 10:54 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: SF ? | 10:54 |
| thiago_home | San Francisco | 10:54 |
| ketas | Myrtti: what other isps you have there? | 10:54 |
| djszapi | k | 10:54 |
| Myrtti | ketas: TPO, Sonera, Nebula, etc | 10:55 |
| rmt | ... and NoPho7 enjoy moderate success before dying. | 10:55 |
| ukas | Myrtti: TPO O_o | 10:55 |
| Myrtti | ukas: new marketing name for DNA, I suspect | 10:55 |
| ukas | oh | 10:55 |
| ketas | MeeGone | 10:55 |
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| Myrtti | well, Finnet (http://www.tampereenpuhelin.fi/) | 10:56 |
| ketas | heck, n900 will be last of it's kind? | 10:56 |
| ukas | didnt nokia promise one more meego device? | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Depends on what you mean by its kind | 10:56 |
| ukas | and that graph had nokia investing in meego in the future | 10:56 |
| djszapi | well, there is a prototype at least :) | 10:57 |
| ukas | :) | 10:57 |
| bunk | ketas: Here in Helsinki Welho is good | 10:57 |
| Myrtti | bunk: you mean DNA | 10:57 |
| ukas | i want meego, my E51 is breaking down :( | 10:57 |
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| ketas | i'm wondering if there will be wp7 devices with keyboard | 10:58 |
| psycho_oreos | not the place to ask | 10:58 |
| bunk | Myrtti: yes, Welho was bought by DNA last your | 10:58 |
| ukas | lol | 10:59 |
| ar | ketas: wp7 isn't even linux | 10:59 |
| ukas | i wonder will we get viruses for wp7 :P | 10:59 |
| ketas | of course | 10:59 |
| kyb3R | ukas: :) | 10:59 |
| dotblank | Ther are probably tons of security holes in it | 10:59 |
| djszapi | also in MeeGo. | 11:00 |
| ukas | exploit them all and prove how much wp7 sucks? | 11:00 |
| dotblank | problem is we will never be able to look at them | 11:00 |
| kyb3R | apple does not fall far from the tree | 11:00 |
| dotblank | and fix them | 11:00 |
| ar | every operating system that tries to be user friendly has security holes | 11:00 |
| dotblank | not having passwords is user friendly | 11:00 |
| ketas | kyb3R: Apple you mean? | 11:00 |
| ukas | what is meego status really, ui wise? | 11:00 |
| dotblank | Not signing every email message I send with gpg is friendly | 11:01 |
| ukas | i havent tried it on n900 since last summer | 11:01 |
| djszapi | well MeeGo security is not that bad with smack. | 11:01 |
| velope | and the biggest security hole may be that WP7 is a "black box", you never know whats going inside | 11:01 |
| ukas | and back then it was really sluggish | 11:01 |
| djszapi | there will be a presentation about it on Wednesday in Helsinki. | 11:01 |
| ketas | wp7 is very closed imho? | 11:02 |
| bunk | Myrtti: But that doesn't make them the same as DNA (like e.g. Blue1 being an own brand, even though it's part of SAS). | 11:03 |
| ukas | saunalahti is owned by elisa but they are their own brand | 11:03 |
| Myrtti | ukas: just that their services are slowly being migrated over to Elisa | 11:04 |
| ukas | yeah but according to some study, most of saunalahti customers are young people while for elisa it is families | 11:04 |
| ukas | thats why elisa implemented that police firewall while saunalahti didn't | 11:04 |
| ketas | here, elion & emt provide good service | 11:04 |
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| ketas | sadly they're now owned by teliasonera | 11:05 |
| psycho_oreos | ukas, I think the sluggish-ness is caused by the lack of SGX driver, and that's mostly closed source. Now I think there's some variants of the SGX driver that may work better than other | 11:07 |
| ukas | it was the first public release that i tried | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: it's better now for sure | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: we had sgx driver, it was just slower | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | I think the case still remains mostly the same, heavily dependent on the version chosen and tried | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, so now its faster with SGX or? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: it is, but now touchscreen is acting weird ;) | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, bleh, I'll continue to wait lol ;) afterall I want to get that 32GB class 10 micrSD so I can tinker around with my heart's content on ubooting (or so I hope) | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, speculation wise | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | it seems China Mobile is still interested in MeeGo | 11:11 |
| psycho_oreos | which would mean Huawei | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Handset/China_Mobile_Networking_Proposal | 11:12 |
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| sivang | djszapi: about meego , the presentatin ? | 11:16 |
| psycho_oreos | wonder how will that work, codes be copied? ;) | 11:16 |
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| djszapi | sivang: http://www.meetup.com/Helsinki-MeeGo-Network/events/16163469/?a=_grp&rv=ce1p | 11:17 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good morning | 11:29 |
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| niala1 | moring | 11:34 |
| niala1 | ning | 11:34 |
| Milhouse | http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/02/12/intel-kept-in-the-dark-over-nokia%E2%80%99s-meego-plans-operators-reject-first-device/ | 11:35 |
| Milhouse | "3 man external team" developing MeeGo Handset UI... for real? :( | 11:36 |
| jnwi | I don't understand the operator part. Surely a high return rate on the hinge would have been rejected internally as well. | 11:36 |
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| jnwi | And especially if the software wasn't ready anywa | 11:37 |
| ukas | yeah | 11:37 |
| ukas | plus nokia has expierence with making hinges like that | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Milhouse: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=944746#post944746 | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: that's my take, because nothing else makes sense about that quote | 11:41 |
| Kaadlajk | and also the quote talks about designing not developing | 11:43 |
| Milhouse | ok ta, 3 people does sound ridiculous | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Milhouse: 3 people isn't even enough for a realistic lightbulb joke ;) | 11:44 |
| Milhouse | :) | 11:45 |
| ukas | maybe thats why it will we succesfull, cause they cant switch lightbulbs | 11:46 |
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| Paavo | there's a nokia joke in there, all right | 11:47 |
| ukas | heh | 11:48 |
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| Paavo | something about managers A, B, C, D, E etc. in Nokia visioning on their global lightbulb strategy for a year, then outsourcing the changing of the lightbulb to three guys in Tieto. | 11:49 |
| kyb3R | :) | 11:50 |
| Paavo | The jokes write themselves. | 11:50 |
| ukas | lol | 11:50 |
| ukas | can i pass that joke to elsewhere? | 11:51 |
| Paavo | sure | 11:51 |
| ketas | self-modifying joke | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://netbook-planet.com/2011/02/13/fujitsu-announces-their-first-meego-os-netbook-its-really-thin/?utm_campaign=Nokia&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_source=SNS.analytics | 11:52 |
| Milhouse | Wonder if it will ever come to market | 11:53 |
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| aboyer_ | i've followed the instructions here http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux to setup a SDK for meego. question: how can i track more recent sysroot releases (like daily or weekly releases)? | 12:11 |
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| lbt | morning all | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt o/ | 12:15 |
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| lbt | so... trying to sort out the MeeGo.com infrastructure IT change control... :) | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, i think all this depends on how nokia meego looks over time, so too early now | 12:17 |
| lbt | nah, this is just "business as usual" | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:17 |
| lbt | makin sure that when someone changes the damned firewall rules they document why and when | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:18 |
| lbt | so the internal DNS doesn't foobar and stop reverse resolving 192.168.* | 12:18 |
| lbt | grrr | 12:18 |
| lbt | :) | 12:18 |
| lbt | I still owe you an ircbot VM | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: was it dsa or rsa you wanted? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | i just thought about the same | 12:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: fujitsu launches a product with Linux? sounds good | 12:20 |
| lbt | a unique rsa with a local phrase | 12:20 |
| lbt | FWIW I'm down a rabbit hole on that... but having the key'll be good. Private pmo jabber? | 12:21 |
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| CosmoHill | ha sweet, dooderling last night with a database diagram I've done 10% of my assignment without knowing it | 12:49 |
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| chouchoune | Venemo_N900: yes, Meego netbook from Fujitsu I've read | 13:20 |
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| velope | oops, wrong terminal ;) | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | afternoon achipa | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | \o Stskeeps | 13:32 |
| achipa | 'noon Stskeeps | 13:32 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know why this build fails: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=liqcontrolpanel&project=home%3Atimoph&repository=meego_1.1_core_Netbook | 13:34 |
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| CosmoHill | it says it can't fine -lliqbase but it says it's installed it | 13:39 |
| niala1 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lliqbase | 13:39 |
| niala1 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 13:39 |
| niala1 | uh CosmoHill | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | installing libliqbase-0.3.67-6.1 | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | installing libliqbase-devel-0.3.67-6.1 | 13:39 |
| lcuk | hence my headscratching.. | 13:40 |
| CosmoHill | ther'es an error in the spec file at line 10, what's line 10? | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | idk, timoph where is the related spec file? | 13:41 |
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| Kaadlajk | line 10 is BuildRoot | 13:43 |
| niala1 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=liqcontrolpanel&project=home:timoph i suppose | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | Kaadlajk, niala1 thx | 13:44 |
| CosmoHill | is it possible that libqbase installs outside of /usr and rpm only looks in /usr ? | 13:44 |
| chouchoune | https://picasaweb.google.com/meetmeego/MobileWorldCongress2011?fgl=true&pli=1#5573136000090017794 | 13:45 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, the lib installs to /usr/bin | 13:45 |
| lcuk | err | 13:45 |
| lcuk | /usr/lib | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | wait what? | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | that makes more sense | 13:45 |
| * lcuk not awake yet | 13:45 | |
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| otwieracz | Hello. | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | h | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | i | 13:46 |
| otwieracz | Anyone tries Meego at n810? | 13:46 |
| otwieracz | Is it usable? | 13:46 |
| LjL | i don't think so yet | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | there's some dev stuff around | 13:47 |
| niala1 | it reminds me i have an bug on privoxy.rpm. he search config file in /usr/local/etc instead of /etc | 13:47 |
| niala1 | but works any idea CosmoHill ? | 13:47 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe it's a symlink? | 13:47 |
| CosmoHill | /usr/local/etc -> /etc | 13:48 |
| otwieracz | So, I will flash maemo. | 13:48 |
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| otwieracz | Thanks for information. | 13:48 |
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| ukas | cool | 13:48 |
| ukas | is that a meego tab? | 13:48 |
| otwieracz | n810? | 13:48 |
| niala1 | CosmoHill: may be can i add this information to binaries? sort of /configure --prefix-conf=/etc ? | 13:49 |
| ukas | that picture from mwc2011 | 13:49 |
| lcuk | ukas, same as ASCII 9 | 13:49 |
| ukas | ? | 13:49 |
| CosmoHill | niala1: try ./configure --help | 13:49 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: yes ;) i m just too lazy and i imagine you work for me :) hahaahhah | 13:51 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 13:51 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, how are you spending your Sunday? | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | watching youtube videos and databases | 13:53 |
| lcuk | fun | 13:54 |
| lcuk | we went feeding the ducks yesterday :) | 13:54 |
| lcuk | dunno where to go today | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | get some rice and find some pigdens | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | take an umbrella with you | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | Every day I grow more and more sure of the need for a verified spell check on IRC. | 13:56 |
| CosmoHill | for me or you/ | 13:56 |
| * thiago_home remembers when Kopete's IRC spellchecker had a weird glitch | 13:56 | |
| lcuk | for everyone. | 13:56 |
| thiago_home | it would send the highlighting *to* IRC | 13:56 |
| CosmoHill | my mac has one built in but I think I work it to hard | 13:56 |
| ar | thiago_home: lol | 13:57 |
| thiago_home | so misspelt words showed up red for everyone | 13:57 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: lol | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | my friend has a script that shows the weather in his area and it sets off my highlight >.< | 13:57 |
| jnwi | Hmm... that sounds like an interesting social experiment | 13:57 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, red squiggles are not always noticed | 13:57 |
| jnwi | People might actually become better spellers if that glitch were a standard feature | 13:58 |
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| CosmoHill | years ago I got so annoyed with MS I disabled the grammar checker | 13:58 |
| CosmoHill | so much green... | 13:58 |
| lcuk | jnwi, I read many computery things now in my own handwriting. | 13:58 |
| lcuk | You would be amazed at just how much easier it is to see spelling and grammar mistakes it is. | 13:58 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I'm drawing my database plan, better than using the computer :) | 13:58 |
| CosmoHill | you can't screw up a excel spread sheet and throw it into the bin | 13:59 |
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| lcuk | jnwi, http://liqbase.net/liq.20110208_002.liqbook.on.meego.ideapad.jpg | 13:59 |
| CosmoHill | well you can but by the time it's printed I've calmed down enough | 13:59 |
| jnwi | lcuk: Handwriting? What's that? ;) | 13:59 |
| jnwi | lcuk: Yeah, I saw that earlier. Interesting idea | 14:00 |
| lcuk | jnwi, it will be even more interesting when it is usable in standard apps :) | 14:00 |
| Kaadlajk | lcuk: the problem with the build seems to be that there is no /usr/lib/liqbase.so file in liqbase-devel | 14:00 |
| lcuk | sms messages and IRC and stuff | 14:00 |
| lcuk | :O Kaadlajk | 14:00 |
| lcuk | the -devel package does not need .so? | 14:01 |
| lcuk | because it depends on libliqbase1 which has it | 14:01 |
| jnwi | lcuk: Not so sure about IRC. I think my brain would collapse parsing different handwriting styles on every line | 14:01 |
| lcuk | jnwi, its not just your handwriting though. | 14:01 |
| lcuk | it is the best exaple of each letter | 14:01 |
| jnwi | But they'd still be different even if they weren't hard to read | 14:02 |
| lcuk | my own handwriting is not so neat when done by hand | 14:02 |
| lcuk | but when combined and selected and put together as shown, the effect is amazing | 14:02 |
| CosmoHill | what | 14:02 |
| lcuk | *example | 14:02 |
| CosmoHill | how else do you do your hand writing if not by hand? | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, that pic I just showed | 14:02 |
| lcuk | read the last line | 14:03 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 14:03 |
| CosmoHill | you has bread | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | "This document I am typing now will almost certainly be read using my very own handwriting" | 14:03 |
| lcuk | close up example: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110131_081956.liqbookreader.scr.png | 14:03 |
| lcuk | (emphasis on *typing*) | 14:04 |
| CosmoHill | that would be cool, when you read something you might not have to look at the nick if you reconise the hand writing | 14:04 |
| lcuk | my dad said the same | 14:05 |
| lcuk | getting letters via email | 14:05 |
| lcuk | :) | 14:05 |
| CosmoHill | or in my case you would have to look at the nick and ask me to type it in in Times New Roman | 14:05 |
| jnwi | I can see how it would be cool for 1-1 communication | 14:05 |
| jnwi | Serifed handwriting? Interesting | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | if you just see a large smudge, does it mean they're left handed and the screen is too sensative? | 14:06 |
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| Kaadlajk | lcuk: yeah there is liqbase.so.1 but liqbase.so file is needed by /usr/bin/ld to actually find the library | 14:06 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, if you can write each letter legibly then you can have your own sketch font :) | 14:07 |
| CosmoHill | could you use pkg-config to locate the file for you, that way you won't have to hard code it into the spec file? | 14:07 |
| lcuk | my son can do it :) | 14:07 |
| lcuk | Kaadlajk, ahh :S how would I solve that | 14:07 |
| CosmoHill | that's gonna take a while | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | well it only entered OBS 24hours ago, I have been testing it already on MeeGo for a bit | 14:07 |
| CosmoHill | my website's logo is hand written: http://cosmo1847.co.uk/svg/logo.svg | 14:08 |
| CosmoHill | http://cosmo1847.co.uk/images/logo.png (if you can't read svg) | 14:08 |
| lcuk | heh cool | 14:08 |
| CosmoHill | never been able to do that again | 14:09 |
| Kaadlajk | lcuk: by looking at liqbase Makefile it does not install the liqbase.so only liqbase.so.1 | 14:09 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, in original liqbase on the N810, you could use any sketch to be the icon on any button | 14:09 |
| Kaadlajk | lcuk: I assume when you compile liqbase it generates the .so file also | 14:09 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 14:09 |
| lcuk | Kaadlajk, yes, the thing is, its been happily building and installing all these components on Maemo for ages | 14:10 |
| CosmoHill | I can imagine a personalised dock right now | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | Kaadlajk, I gather the .so should be a symlink to the .so.1 ? | 14:10 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 14:10 |
| Kaadlajk | lcuk: yes | 14:10 |
| CosmoHill | the .so should be a link to the current / latest version | 14:11 |
| lcuk | ok, so in the makefile for libliqbase, I have an INSTALL section, do I just add the symlink thing in there? | 14:11 |
| CosmoHill | eg .so links to .so.3, but you also have .so.2 and .so.1 that are previous versions also installed on the system | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | those are compatability breaks CosmoHill ? | 14:11 |
| CosmoHill | i think so, not heard of the term before | 14:12 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, sorry, windows dlls | 14:13 |
| milliams | I had an account on the beta-test OBS a while back. Will my account have been copied across to the new community OBS instance? Also, is there a way to reset my password? | 14:13 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I have a habbit of learning stuff but not it's name | 14:13 |
| lcuk | me too | 14:13 |
| * lcuk waves hands and stuff | 14:13 | |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puyO0LAvaOU&feature=related :) | 14:14 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: my website's logo is hand written: http://cosmo1847.co.uk/svg/logo.svg <--- you tag uk streat too ? :p | 14:15 |
| CosmoHill | haha, only if I have a tablet with em | 14:16 |
| lbt | milliams: no - do you have a meego.com account | 14:16 |
| milliams | lbt: Yes I do | 14:16 |
| lbt | ... | 14:17 |
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| lbt | milliams ... OK | 14:17 |
| lbt | enabled | 14:17 |
| CosmoHill | milliams: (he wants to know what it is) | 14:17 |
| lbt | use your meego.com passwd | 14:17 |
| lbt | if you reset it it'll sync on the next hour | 14:17 |
| milliams | lbt: Thanks a lot :) | 14:17 |
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| ayush_ | so meego is pretty much done, right? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | ayush_: no, we're still very much here and a big MWC precense tomorrow | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 14:25 |
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| ayush_ | any idea when nokia's WP7 phones will start being available? and when that one meego phone will hit? | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ayush_: we're not a nokia channel sorry :) you'll have to ask on nokia.com | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | lo andrewfblack | 14:28 |
| andrewfblack | hey Stskeeps | 14:28 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, https://github.com/lcuk/liqbase-playground/wiki/Liqbase-Info-and-contributors | 14:30 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 14:30 |
| CosmoHill | isn't this the text file you showed me last night? | 14:31 |
| lcuk | yes | 14:31 |
| lcuk | but your name is on it now :P | 14:31 |
| CosmoHill | oh yes | 14:31 |
| CosmoHill | I missed that | 14:31 |
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| CosmoHill | IIRC I'm still not on the meego's who's who page even tho I edited it many months ago | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | Kaadlajk, I just did some reading up, does it sound like ldconfig is what is needed in postinst of the library to correctly setup the symlink? | 14:43 |
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| Kaadlajk | lcuk: yeah ldconfig is needed, your .spec files in OBS already have that | 14:44 |
| lcuk | Kaadlajk, ahh right, I thought it may have been needed in the Makefile itself | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | (it builds locally without OBS too) | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, the first time I saw my handwriting, in 2008 using GPL test document, a sublime blend of technical and natural: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081124_225643.gary.scr.png :) | 14:52 |
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| CosmoHill | looks like it's written by a gay kid :p | 14:52 |
| lcuk | well it was the first time I had tried to write :P | 14:53 |
| lcuk | didn't your handwriting used to look messy :) | 14:53 |
| CosmoHill | still does | 14:53 |
| lcuk | as for the pinkness, bah | 14:53 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081124_225420.gary.scr.png | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | do we have a menu editor for handset? /me tries hunting around in repos | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | UX? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | it just takes .desktop , but i think it's possible to customize | 15:04 |
| lcuk | yeah I thought so too | 15:05 |
| lcuk | but I cannot find anything current | 15:05 |
| lcuk | I wonder if any of the Maemo editors would work | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | (since its .desktop manipulation | 15:05 |
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| nickzxcv | so i've read that meego is supposed to support lte in 1.3, are there supposed to be any lte handsets with meego coming out? | 15:14 |
| nickzxcv | i'd love to have a meego phone on at&t with lte in a year from now or so | 15:14 |
| CosmoHill | what is lte? | 15:14 |
| jnwi | "4G" | 15:15 |
| CosmoHill | ah I see | 15:15 |
| toninikkanen | as in, seriously fast cellular (until everyone starts using it and hogs the bandwidth) | 15:15 |
| CosmoHill | I heard, iphone is awesome, the 3G network on the other hand has collapsed | 15:15 |
| jnwi | I don't care about the bandwidth, personally. LTE is also supposed to improve latency. | 15:16 |
| nickzxcv | and it requires ipv6 :) | 15:16 |
| nickzxcv | apparently it uses sip for regular voice transport too | 15:17 |
| nickzxcv | well, rtp i guess | 15:17 |
| nickzxcv | and sip for regular call setup instead of being outside of ip | 15:17 |
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| CosmoHill | I think my phone network just uses a bit 255.0.0.0 network and a proxy server | 15:20 |
| CosmoHill | *big | 15:20 |
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| ketas | nickzxcv: all ip then? | 15:25 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, £35 for a white board | 15:28 |
| nickzxcv | ketas: i think its supposed to be all ip, yeah | 15:28 |
| Aranel | what's up to us from MWC '11? Anything new about MeeGo? A new device, AppUp, something else? | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | isn't MWC next week? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: seems we are in for a good meego mwc as per rumours and pics | 15:29 |
| jnwi | CosmoHill: Actually, Nokia has an event already today | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 15:30 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps: oh? what pics? I didn't see them :O | 15:30 |
| Aranel | CosmoHill: 8 hours remaining according to MWC website. | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: twitter | 15:31 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps: you mean that one?: https://picasaweb.google.com/meetmeego/MobileWorldCongress2011#5573136000090017794 | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:31 |
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| CosmoHill | I like the guys name :) | 15:33 |
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| Aranel | Stskeeps: is this Intel's stand for MeeGo? | 15:34 |
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| CosmoHill | does the nokia stand have armed guards? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: thats what i think | 15:34 |
| wbremer | nokia doesnt have a stand this year | 15:35 |
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| Aranel | they dont need one. they can share with Microsoft. | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | Nah, Nokia are just waiting by Microsoft's trash to pick up whatever shit they're throwing out. | 15:36 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: You do know that they threw out Elop for destroying MS Office franchise? | 15:37 |
| Aranel | from top to the bottom, in one day. can't say I'm not surprised. | 15:37 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: By inventing RIBBONS, no less | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: So, that Elop guy has done more for open source adoption than many of us here acknowledge | 15:37 |
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| Jaffa | :-) | 15:38 |
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| Aranel | what's the next MeeGo event after MWC? I really want to participate in one :) | 15:43 |
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| Jaffa | Aranel: MeeGo Summit FI and/or MeeGo Conference SF | 15:44 |
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| Aranel | Finland? means sponsored by Nokia I guess? | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Phone design there does look like one from a major manufacturer. I also note the Gmail logo in the app icons | 15:45 |
| Chani | hmm, I ought to sign up for one of those... | 15:45 |
| CosmoHill | I got bored: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/MWC_Badge_fake.jpg | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | Chani: Former is full (300 ppl only); latter isn't open for registration yet ;-) | 15:46 |
| Chani | oh | 15:46 |
| Chani | when is the latter, again? | 15:46 |
| niala1 | arf 300 301 .... that not a ddos ... | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | Chani: End of May | 15:46 |
| Chani | ah. hmm. | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | Chani: 21-25 IIRC | 15:46 |
| Chani | I may be anble to make that.. with luck | 15:46 |
| * Chani need to graduate so stupid school schedules don't get in the way any more | 15:47 | |
| * Jaffa should book the time off work | 15:47 | |
| Chani | then again, once I graduate I have to, like, work or something :P | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | Meh, it's overrated. | 15:47 |
| * niala1 can't believe he download andro#%*! sdk ... | 15:47 | |
| * Jaffa bought an Android tablet today. Mainly cos of the price, though, rather than Friday's news. | 15:48 | |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Traitor! =) | 15:48 |
| Aranel | Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit in San Francisco | do want! | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Mostly for Mrs Jaffa as her N810 is randomly rebooting. | 15:49 |
| Chani | oh | 15:49 |
| Chani | that reminds me, I have an n810 collecting dust | 15:49 |
| Chani | I keep telling myself I'll find a use for it soon | 15:49 |
| Aranel | MWC event still in the "proposed" queue, what does it mean? | 15:50 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: image downloadedas it seems | 15:54 |
| sivang | *downloaded | 15:55 |
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| sivang | Aranel: meego summit fi, I don't think it is sponsord by NOkia | 15:58 |
| sivang | Aranel: I am not sure right now Nokia will sponsor SF meego conf to be honest | 15:58 |
| Aranel | sivang: maybe Intel could to that instead of them? | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | a bit too hasty to speculate on that | 15:59 |
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| sivang | A bit too hasty Elop's decision :) | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | sivang: Nah, it was either part of his pitch to the board for the job; or one of the requirements of the board when looking for an OPK replacement. | 16:00 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: but sure. Anyway I have a very slow mSD card, but I don't mind waitng the boot time or has this improved with the fs bug solved? | 16:00 |
| sivang | Jaffa: I'd ay the former | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: i use class 2-4 | 16:00 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: so I hace class 2:) | 16:00 |
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| sivang | *have | 16:02 |
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| sivang | (I have the keyboard from hell, don't aslk) | 16:02 |
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| sivang | spam | 16:13 |
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| CosmoHill | sivang: my junk mail says 8500 unread messages | 16:17 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: I have 100k of them | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | you win | 16:18 |
| sivang | :) | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | I actually have zero but due to a bug in the software it doesn't revert the counter until you click on it | 16:18 |
| taps_ | Hi, What happens to MeeGo, after M$ Nokia deal ? | 16:19 |
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| jonnor | taps_: nothing special. Nokia has reduced their investment in Meego, but Intel and others have not announced any changes | 16:20 |
| sivang | http://www.msqt.org/ :) | 16:20 |
| javispedro | sivang: http://www.msqt.org/activeqt-server.html that reads more like a MS page ;) | 16:21 |
| taps_ | jonnor: thx, this means, that the project will be developed further. | 16:22 |
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| jonnor | taps_: of course | 16:23 |
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| sivang | javispedro: hehe | 16:24 |
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| Aranel | Stskeeps: Engadget says that pic is really Intel's MeeGo booth :) and It's one of meego handsets. | 16:54 |
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| ar | javispedro: i suggest you do whois msqt.org :) | 16:57 |
| ukas | wasnt nokia supposed to have something tonight? | 16:57 |
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| ukas | ar: what does it say if you do whois? | 16:58 |
| ar | ukas: it looks like whoever owns the site, isn't affiliated with neither nokia nor ms | 16:58 |
| ukas | ok | 16:59 |
| wbremer | msqt is just a funny fake :) | 16:59 |
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| ukas | yeah | 17:00 |
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| Chani | hehehe. | 17:00 |
| Chani | MSQt MSQuick | 17:00 |
| Chani | somehow I keep reading that as McQuick | 17:00 |
| Chani | damnit, now I'm thinking about chicken | 17:01 |
| CosmoHill | isn't that a tow company? | 17:01 |
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| Chani | next they're gonna partner with mcdonalds to produce McQuicken ;) | 17:03 |
| CosmoHill | get a big mac with your big rig recovery | 17:04 |
| Chani | hehe | 17:04 |
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| dominikb_ | will Qt stay the default API in MeeGo? | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine so | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | just spent a year making it the default and replacing GTK+ with it | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | would seem stupid / a waste to replace it now | 17:08 |
| dominikb_ | CosmoHill: right. just cannot imagine that Nokia will actively contribute to Qt, as it competes with .net. | 17:08 |
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| CosmoHill | aren't nokia working on putting Qt on Symbian? | 17:09 |
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| ukas | they still have to sell 150 million symbian phones | 17:09 |
| ukas | so yeah they are not killing qt | 17:09 |
| dominikb_ | they cannot kill Qt - it's LGPL ;) | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | dominikb_: Qt is still a fantastic development environment for MeeGo, IMHO | 17:09 |
| irz | but symbian will stay low priced small screen devices | 17:10 |
| CosmoHill | other companies also sell symbian phones and it would be great if Qt was on all of them | 17:10 |
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| CosmoHill | then you could use Qt as well as Java for phone appilications | 17:10 |
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| CosmoHill | irz: I heard it was for "feature" phones | 17:10 |
| dominikb_ | do not get me wrong. I am a big fan of Qt + PySide and my heart bleeds as the future of Qt/PySide is unclear. | 17:10 |
| chouchoune | CosmoHill: only Nokia is still selling Symbian | 17:10 |
| CosmoHill | so everything apart from the high end stuff | 17:10 |
| CosmoHill | chouchoune: oh really? | 17:11 |
| chouchoune | yes | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | what do other phones run on then? | 17:11 |
| chouchoune | other manufacturers retired for Android | 17:11 |
| chouchoune | like Sony Ericsson | 17:11 |
| irz | and company specific stuff like bada | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | even the cheap phones you get for your kids? | 17:11 |
| chouchoune | oh, you meant S40 ? | 17:12 |
| chouchoune | it's not having Qt | 17:12 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 17:12 |
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| ukas | doesnt some japanese manufacturer make symbian phones? | 17:13 |
| chouchoune | and I don't know if it's used by others | 17:13 |
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| thiago_home | ukas: Fujitsu makes Symbian phones | 17:19 |
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| ShadowJK | Weren't there also japanese ... yeah fujitsu | 17:20 |
| ukas | docomo or something? | 17:20 |
| ukas | sharp also made symbian phones i think? | 17:20 |
| ukas | anyway read from somewhere that meego-harmattan will be release at mwc tonight by nokia | 17:21 |
| ukas | but i guess you guys dont consider that true meego :> | 17:21 |
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| ShadowJK | I hope they'll sell the keyboard version even if operators didn't like :( | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | Because I'll never get another device without proper keyboard :P | 17:26 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | ukas, it's hard to consider a distro built on debs as opposed to rpms true meego, not that I believe rpms are better than debs. The package format change really drives a wedge in development. (Yeah I know I'm not exactly the 1st to note that.) | 17:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | dominkib_, I must say as a Nokia employee that I expected everything in last week's announcement except the Nokia adoption of MS development tools. I fear that a Qt fork is inevitable. | 17:30 |
| * thiago_home is working to avoid that | 17:30 | |
| ukas | Qt fork? | 17:30 |
| thiago_home | yes | 17:30 |
| ukas | would someone please explain what they mean by that? | 17:30 |
| thiago_home | they who? | 17:30 |
| ukas | well like you :) | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | ok, let's start over | 17:31 |
| ukas | why would Qt need to be forked? | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | what don't you get? | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | ah | 17:31 |
| ukas | sorry i'm kinda new | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | people fear that Qt development will stop inside Nokia | 17:31 |
| ukas | aah | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | or that it will be taken over by MS | 17:31 |
| ukas | so it needs to be taken outside | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | it doesn't need to | 17:31 |
| ukas | but MS cant do that since Qt is open source? | 17:32 |
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| ukas | ah, you're trying to make sure it doesnt come to that | 17:32 |
| thiago_home | despite rampant accusations, MS doesn't control Nokia | 17:32 |
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| ukas | yeah | 17:32 |
| ukas | it would be pretty crazy | 17:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm off right now to have coffee with a friend from my last job at Stanford. He's spent the last 6 months learning Qt development on RHEL (for accelerator controls at Linear Accelerator Center) . He is not, I suspect, in a good mood! | 17:32 |
| ukas | and i would like to think at least some board members would have enough balls and say something like that | 17:33 |
| thiago_home | we're trying to figure out what will happen next, but early indications are that we will continue on | 17:33 |
| thiago_home | Alison_Chaiken: your friend has nothing to fear | 17:33 |
| thiago_home | all of this is blown out of proportion | 17:33 |
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| thiago_home | Qt is open source, has always been, will continue to be | 17:33 |
| ukas | i learned Qt during last fall, so i hope Qt doesnt die, Qt is easy and fun :) | 17:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thiago_home, I just don't know what to say to him. Nokia does *own* Qt right? Nokia should now give it to Linux Foundation, like MeeGo. The fate of Symbian awaits it otherwise. | 17:34 |
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| thiago_home | Nokia can't prevent anyone from using Qt | 17:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Nokia couldn't prevent anyone from using Symbian ;-) | 17:34 |
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| thiago_home | Nokia did a good job preventing | 17:35 |
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| thiago_home | Qt is different | 17:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Sorry if you think I'm being nasty. I feel bad about Qt developments, and wish I could help. | 17:35 |
| thiago_home | the only thing people are certain of is that the Qt ecosystem story on smartphones is delayed | 17:35 |
| thiago_home | I do too | 17:35 |
| thiago_home | but I'm in a different stage of grief now | 17:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I have to run off. My friend is already grouchy! | 17:35 |
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| * thiago_home is mad at the speculations | 17:36 | |
| ukas | last two weeks were really crazy | 17:36 |
| ukas | cause of the speculation | 17:36 |
| mihero | some hard facts would be nice | 17:36 |
| thiago_home | mihero: you'll know when we know | 17:36 |
| irz | new nokia us boss is a former ms guy, nuff said | 17:37 |
| thiago_home | (except for still-confidential developments) | 17:37 |
| thiago_home | irz: that's exactly the kind of speculation I'm mad about | 17:37 |
| irz | heh | 17:37 |
| mihero | thiago_home: yeah, I know. that wasn't the point | 17:37 |
| irz | but nokia is forcing people to speculate instead of making some clear statements | 17:37 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, I just posted a proposal for a new unique feature to be brought to Qt as well | 17:37 |
| thiago_home | irz: it's called "running a business" | 17:37 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: cool | 17:37 |
| mihero | meant just that would be nice to now what to do next:) | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | well, "just" I got it out during FOSDEM | 17:38 |
| niala1 | good afternoon guy/girls i ll take a cycle ride on sun, this should me calm down | 17:38 |
| thiago_home | irz: can you point me to where Apple says when the iPhone 5 hits the stores? What the new features are? | 17:38 |
| mihero | this state of speculation is bit hard:) | 17:38 |
| thiago_home | irz: how about their 2012 plans? | 17:38 |
| irz | thiago_home: apple is building their own stuff in a closed cellar | 17:38 |
| thiago_home | irz: that's my point | 17:38 |
| thiago_home | ALL companies hold back information | 17:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:39 |
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| irz | well, not when stuff depends on it like that | 17:39 |
| irz | when apple changes their os they atleast deliver a working sdk on time | 17:39 |
| irz | same with google | 17:39 |
| thiago_home | irz: don't try to justify it | 17:39 |
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| thiago_home | things happen for a reason and this is how companies behave | 17:40 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, I have posted a way to achieve: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110208_002.liqbook.on.meego.ideapad.jpg | 17:40 |
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| thiago_home | no matter how much you feel it's unfair to you (and you have my sympathies here, I feel it too) | 17:40 |
| vlj | hi | 17:40 |
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| bunk | Does anyone have an idea why with the handset UI in 1.1 fennec can connect only as root? | 17:43 |
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| vlj | I know it's not the best moment to talk about MeeGo developpement but... does Meego handset ships with opencv or another image processing framework ? | 17:44 |
| thiago_home | vlj: you should be able to get the package listing from repo.meego.com | 17:44 |
| vlj | ok | 17:44 |
| thiago_home | and it is always the best moment to talk about development | 17:45 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 17:45 |
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| vlj | Meego 1.1 does not feature camera shooting yet ? | 17:46 |
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| irz | what do you call "camera shooting" and on what hardware | 17:47 |
| vlj | I mean, the ability to take photo with the camera | 17:48 |
| vlj | it's planned for 1.2 ? | 17:48 |
| ahiemstra | hmm, doesn't meego 1.1 include qtmobility apis for that | 17:48 |
| vlj | well I don't speak of the API, but of the UI | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: 1.2 n900 adaptation will have cam | 17:48 |
| vlj | ok thx | 17:49 |
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| vlj | and the cam will rely on which software tools to process image ? | 17:50 |
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| vlj | qt-mobility (if I'm right) does only allow to take picture, but it has no algorithm for noise reduction, ... ? | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | vlj, there are a number of MeeGo image processing tools at your disposal | 17:52 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/meego-image-editor | 17:52 |
| vlj | thx | 17:52 |
| lcuk | thank ab and RST38h and a load of other guys | 17:52 |
| vlj | libquill was developped for maemo or is it a general purpose library that was just ported ? | 17:53 |
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| lbt | jbos_bk: hey.... have you registered on meego.com | 17:55 |
| jbos_bk | yep | 17:55 |
| lbt | and are you looking to develop opensource apps | 17:55 |
| vlj | lcuk: does libquillimagefilter use an underlying linear algebra lib ? | 17:55 |
| jbos_bk | I do already, | 17:56 |
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| jbos_bk | check peregrine-communicator.org :) | 17:56 |
| lbt | meego accont name jbos_bk? | 17:56 |
| lcuk | vlj, IDK, ask the developers or read docs about it - just passing on good info :) | 17:56 |
| vlj | ok | 17:56 |
| jbos_bk | we are a small team, already having one guy with access to the obs, but he is pretty busy :D | 17:56 |
| jbos_bk | so better to have some backup | 17:57 |
| lbt | so I just need your account name | 17:57 |
| jbos_bk | see query :) | 17:57 |
| lbt | not email ... :) | 17:58 |
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| lbt | have fun | 18:00 |
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| ab | vlj, qt mobility camera API supposedly produces jpeg image for you | 18:06 |
| ab | vlj, not all HW could give RAW data | 18:07 |
| vlj | :/ | 18:07 |
| vlj | I think it is not possible to build a proper hdr algorithm if I cannot get raw images | 18:07 |
| ab | vlj, we have enhancement requests for the API so that it could return YUV if possible (as QVideoFrame) | 18:07 |
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| ab | vlj, quality will suffer, yes. Alternatively, you can try to use FCam directly | 18:08 |
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| ab | this will give you YUV | 18:08 |
| vlj | ok | 18:08 |
| vlj | and it is not possible to retrieve a 100% quality jpeg ? | 18:08 |
| ab | Mobility guys also were thinking on making FCam backend to Qt Mobility | 18:08 |
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| vlj | also a "loseless" jpeg | 18:09 |
| vlj | (if it is possible) | 18:09 |
| CosmoHill | jpeg is not loseless | 18:09 |
| ab | no loseless | 18:09 |
| vlj | never ? | 18:09 |
| vlj | so what is this "100%" quality supposed to be in jpeg standard ? | 18:09 |
| ab | that's the whole point of jfif. | 18:09 |
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| CosmoHill | Wikipedia: "In computing, JPEG (pronounced /ˈdʒeɪpɛɡ/ JAY-peg) is a commonly used method of lossy compression for digital photography (image)." | 18:10 |
| vlj | damn | 18:10 |
| vlj | sadly it is so popular ... | 18:10 |
| CosmoHill | that's why I've starting taking pictures in NEF (Nikon Raw format) | 18:10 |
| CosmoHill | vlj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG#Sample_photographs | 18:11 |
| vlj | but why sensor does not always provide raw format by default ? | 18:11 |
| vlj | I mean, it is more difficult to take an image, then to compress it, then return it, than to just take and return it ? | 18:11 |
| CosmoHill | digital compares take the raw picture, apply settings (such as light balance) and produce a jpeg | 18:12 |
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| ab | vlj, performance and quality wise, in embedded sensors it is not always straightforward. Almost all time such small sensors require additional processing before the data is returned anyway. Frontend camera on N900 is a good example | 18:12 |
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| vlj | :/ | 18:13 |
| ab | consider also that sensor is highly packaged in a constrained environment with many other elements -- including atennas which produce heat over time | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | vlj: just found something called Jpeg XR, might support loseless | 18:14 |
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| ab | there were many attempts to use JPEG-like methods to compress images. Some are based on wavelets, some are on other techniques. None had took over for various reasons, including eagerness of inventors to get patent revenues. | 18:15 |
| vlj | ab: I know but I think that if the user requires the sensor to return raw data , the user (who know what he does ;) ) can handle processing in a software manner | 18:15 |
| lindi- | for some cases 100% can be lossless it seems. | 18:16 |
| lindi- | $ printf "P2 8 8 255 $(seq 1 255)" > a.pgm; convert -quality 50 a.pgm a.jpg; convert a.jpg a2.pgm; convert a.pgm a3.pgm; cmp a3.pgm a2.pgm | 18:16 |
| lindi- | a3.pgm a2.pgm differ: char 16, line 4 | 18:16 |
| lindi- | $ printf "P2 8 8 255 $(seq 1 255)" > a.pgm; convert -quality 100 a.pgm a.jpg; convert a.jpg a2.pgm; convert a.pgm a3.pgm; cmp a3.pgm a2.pgm; echo $? | 18:16 |
| lindi- | 0 | 18:16 |
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| vlj | anyway there is FCam but I wished there was a more "portable" manner to do things | 18:18 |
| vlj | FCam is provided in Meego too or is it just available in Maemo ? | 18:18 |
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| ab | vlj, FCam hopefully will be part of MeeGo. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:20 |
| vlj | that means that a Meego shipping device should allow devs to access raw images | 18:20 |
| ab | Stskeeps, of course, that depends a lot on what someone like Intel would like to address in imaging area. | 18:20 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey meegoists :) | 18:21 |
| ab | vlj, as I said, there are so many different sensors that simply don't provide RAW data. | 18:21 |
| vlj | if Meego is to be pushed on handset, imaging aera is a main differenciator | 18:21 |
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| vlj | ab: yep but if FCam is in Meego, hardware manufacturer will have to choose a "raw compliant" sensor | 18:22 |
| vlj | or it will break Meego API coherency | 18:22 |
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| ab | vlj, nope. FCam is a tool to provide fine grained access to the imaging equipment but it cannot magically go over what is provided by the chipset | 18:22 |
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| vlj | except if there is a "bool provide_raw()" function in fcam... | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | shame cameras don't use PNG | 18:23 |
| aboyer__ | ab: are there any current efforts to port FCam to Meego? | 18:23 |
| n900mixalot | Hey all, proud to be here, happy to see people still going strong. | 18:23 |
| ab | aboyer, barring obvious packaging issues, it should work on MeeGo/N900 already, hopefully. I haven't tried. | 18:23 |
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| vlj | does aava still makes phone that can accept Meego on it ? | 18:24 |
| ab | aboyer__, I have tried to get it into next Nokia's MeeGo-related device but we haven't finished yet so no comments :) | 18:24 |
| ab | CosmoHill, PNG is not a holy grail | 18:25 |
| vlj | it's better than jpeg for hdr though | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | just thinking, if my camera took loseless PNGs instead of NEF I wouldn't need to install software / buy software to view or edit them | 18:26 |
| vlj | ab: there is a linear algebra lib embedded in quilimagefilter ? | 18:27 |
| ab | vlj, no | 18:27 |
| ab | but you can write a filter that uses one | 18:27 |
| vlj | hdr relies on singular value decomposition for good result (on the mathematical aspect) | 18:28 |
| vlj | this is not a trivial algorithm so it needs to be provided by some algebra library | 18:28 |
| vlj | you're using fftw ? | 18:28 |
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| aboyer__ | vlj: eigen.tuxfamily.org | 18:28 |
| ab | vlj, yes, eigen would be the obvious choice | 18:29 |
| vlj | ok | 18:29 |
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| ab | as it also has explicit NEON optimizations | 18:29 |
| vlj | I worked a bit on eigen too | 18:29 |
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| ab | (do not rely on implcit ones by compiler yet, btw) | 18:29 |
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| aboyer__ | eigen 3 which is unreleased, has neon optimizations for arm | 18:30 |
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| ab | aboyer__, yep, that's what I refer | 18:30 |
| vlj | but I though lapack was the "obvious" choice as it is standard, and intel provides an optimised routines for it | 18:30 |
| ab | beta3 has been released yesterday | 18:30 |
| vlj | s/routines/library | 18:30 |
| aboyer__ | ab: nice! | 18:32 |
| aboyer__ | vlj: before going with lapack, take a look at eigen, it's really nice to work with... | 18:32 |
| vlj | I know the api is clean and verbose | 18:33 |
| ab | vlj, eigen has BLAS implemented on top of it | 18:33 |
| ab | and partial LAPACK as well | 18:33 |
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| ab | not full but chances are that your relevant parts are covered | 18:34 |
| vlj | I will look at it :) | 18:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | sivang: ping | 18:41 |
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| irz | lol, motorola xoom for 1200 at bb | 18:45 |
| n900mixalot | a knee slapper | 18:45 |
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| wmarone | wow | 18:46 |
| wmarone | rofl | 18:46 |
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| vlj | irz: with locked wifi ? | 18:47 |
| irz | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorola+-+XOOM+Tablet+/+NVIDIA+Tegra+Processor+/+10.1"+Display+/+1GB+Memory+/+32GB+Hard+Drive+-+Licorice/1946179.p;jsessionid=5528C8925146A42423095B00A46F222F.bbolsp-app04-54?id=1218305636450&skuId=1946179 | 18:48 |
| irz | seems free | 18:48 |
| vlj | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/intel-promises-teases-meego-smartphone-and-tablet-for-mwc/ <= there is still hope | 18:49 |
| irz | im still missing amd here | 18:49 |
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| vlj | let them begin their work ;) | 18:50 |
| vlj | they're entering Meego to support their fusion chip | 18:50 |
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| vlj | atm there is no fusion powered netbook available | 18:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | vlj: so an Intel handset is it gonna be? | 18:51 |
| vlj | maybe | 18:51 |
| vlj | mwc starts tomorrow | 18:51 |
| chouchoune | Venemo_N900: the device shows really looks like the HTC touch diamond 2 | 18:53 |
| chouchoune | shown | 18:53 |
| vlj | seems to be a "dev only" device | 18:54 |
| ukas | 36 minutes till nokia show | 18:54 |
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| vlj | like previous aava phone | 18:54 |
| vlj | I only hope it won't cost as much | 18:54 |
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| lindi- | ukas: is there live video somewhere? | 18:55 |
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| ukas | lindi-: wait a moment | 18:56 |
| ukas | dont know | 18:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | chouchoune: the UX on the pics are really interesting though | 18:57 |
| ukas | http://www.nokia.com/press/mwc2011 it was only this site | 18:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | chouchoune: I don't recognize it as any of the current reference UXes | 18:57 |
| chouchoune | Venemo_N900: yes, looks good | 18:57 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh, looks like tablet UX adapted to phones | 18:58 |
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| lindi- | ukas: ok I guess no video by nokia at least then | 18:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | chouchoune: yeah. if they also shipped a 4-5" tablet, I'd be sold. | 18:58 |
| ukas | yeah | 18:58 |
| chouchoune | same for me ;) | 18:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | chouchoune: in this case, I wouldn't even care if nokia went bankrupt next week :P | 19:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | chouchoune: after what they've done, they deserve it | 19:00 |
| chouchoune | I agree | 19:01 |
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| chouchoune | and, if Nokia announced his Meego phone during MWC ? But it would be quite disturbing ... | 19:02 |
| chouchoune | but I canùt imagine how they could let other sell Meego Phones before them !!! | 19:02 |
| odin_ | thiago, one point of concern is that Qt will indeed continue, much like MySQL is continuing inside Oracle, the problem is that waiting 3 years to see if it works out isn't what the rest of the world has in mind, so maybe an EGCS like fork is best and re-merge in a few years | 19:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | chouchoune: well if they still continue with MeeGo as they planned then I may forgive them | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | worst thing that can happen is a qt fork. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | API compatibility is key. | 19:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | well the Qt guys seem pretty convinced that Qt will live on | 19:04 |
| jarkko^ | doesn't kde have even permission to relicense the whole thing if development does not continue? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'm quite convinced of that too by now | 19:04 |
| jarkko^ | Should Nokia discontinue the development of the Qt Free Edition under these licenses, then the Foundation has the right to release Qt under a BSD-style license or under other open source licenses. | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | jarkko^: licensing doesn't matter when you can't assume your qt app will work across implementations | 19:04 |
| jarkko^ | http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | fragmentation == ba | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | d | 19:04 |
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| thiago_home | here we go again... | 19:04 |
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| jarkko^ | yes but why do you assume that it would fragment as a community project? | 19:05 |
| thiago_home | because Qt only makes sense if it has one API | 19:05 |
| jarkko^ | i see that similar situation as in xfree86 -> xorg | 19:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | actually it would be nice if they bargained with M$ to port Qt to WP7 | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | ab & vlj: damn you both for distracting me and making look at photo software | 19:05 |
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| vlj | :p | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | jarkko^: if there's two qt impls going on, we have a problem | 19:05 |
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| CosmoHill | coo, preview supports DNG giles | 19:06 |
| jarkko^ | that's probably true, i agree.. | 19:06 |
| CosmoHill | files* | 19:06 |
| jarkko^ | is there even NDK like thing for WP7? | 19:06 |
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| thiago_home | jarkko^: no | 19:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | jarkko^: no | 19:06 |
| thiago_home | there will be no Qt on WP7 | 19:06 |
| jarkko^ | wasn't it so that only selected vendors can do native | 19:06 |
| thiago_home | forget it | 19:06 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, also, if there are two, the license differences would prevent remerging at later date? | 19:07 |
| jarkko^ | like adobe for flash | 19:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | thiago_home: so what'll happen to Nokia's promise about Qt? | 19:07 |
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| jarkko^ | sounds odd to not have ndk like thing | 19:07 |
| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: Qt everywhere depends on the will of the OS vendors | 19:07 |
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| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: MS doesn't want it, Apple probably doesn't want it either | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | jarkko^: android didn't have ndk for long time | 19:07 |
| jarkko^ | how game companies are going to use their investments for game engines just as an example | 19:07 |
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| jarkko^ | if WP7 becomes major platform they will have to have ndk | 19:08 |
| thiago_home | when we were considering an Android port (yeah, we did consider it), it only made sense if someone shipped it and convinced Google to take it | 19:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | thiago_home: and in exchange for Nokia giving up their own OS, MS shoul allow Qt port | 19:08 |
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| odin_ | maybe the new MeeGo budget allocations inside Nokia will reveal, but devices/handset(s) is really the key thing I myself was hoping for (even if not a highly software polished as N900 was, at least there is a device with device support) | 19:08 |
| jarkko^ | otherwise it is impossible to port games etc. to the platform | 19:08 |
| thiago_home | that whas when there were a handful of device manufacturers and Google depended on them | 19:08 |
| ahiemstra | jarkko^: MS forces everyone who wants to make games to use XNA basically | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: yeah, but that didn't happen, that way very appearant | 19:08 |
| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: not gonna happen. The deal is WP full package. | 19:08 |
| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: I don't have to like it to understand it. | 19:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: still, it's sad | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: there's a lot of sad things about this, but it's reality | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | right | 19:09 |
| thiago_home | odin_: there will be at least one MeeGo device this year | 19:09 |
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| jarkko^ | ahiemstra: but it is biggest app industry in the world and some of the hit games rely on complex technology stack that is usually done with native languages | 19:09 |
| thiago_home | ok, it's Harmattan, but should be good enough | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | but I don't understand what nokia gains for this | 19:09 |
| jarkko^ | so i would be more than surprised if there wasn't launch of ndk | 19:09 |
| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: gains WP | 19:09 |
| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: gains an ecosystem that has started | 19:10 |
| odin_ | but I agree fragmentation of the QT API is not good for the Nokia single-API approach, but I never care for Symbian myself, and I believe from media the Qt desktop aspects of the API trail behind and could do with some more energy | 19:10 |
| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: as much as we believe in MeeGo and Qt, we're behind | 19:10 |
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| thiago_home | we simply ran out of time | 19:10 |
| ahiemstra | jarkko^: yes, which means only games specifically created for wm7 will run on it, which means most popular games won't run on it by default | 19:10 |
| wmarone | thiago_home: on the contrary, I would say that you never had time from the moment Elop was elected | 19:10 |
| wmarone | of course, that's pure conjecture | 19:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | well if I wanted WP7, I certainly wouldn't buy from Nokia | 19:10 |
| thiago_home | wmarone: that is just not true | 19:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | the only reason I bought Nokia stuff is becuase they offered a good alternative software | 19:11 |
| odin_ | thiago, yes sure on the new device this year, but I was kind of hoping for one next year too :) to early to say for sure ... maybe ideally _ALL_ Nokia hardware can have a MeeGo compatible bootloader :) even if Nokia do not provide any polished OS | 19:11 |
| thiago_home | wmarone: I may not be privy to his decision making, but I know people who are. Stop spreading conspiracy theories. | 19:11 |
| ahiemstra | jarkko^: and then of course only the less-demanding ones | 19:11 |
| thiago_home | they are just plain false. | 19:11 |
| ahiemstra | jarkko^: stuff like UE3 on wm7 will never be possible | 19:11 |
| thiago_home | odin_: that would be great, but at this point the entire portfolio for 2012 is probably being reconsidered | 19:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | thiago_home: as a Nokia employee, how do you personally feel about this? | 19:12 |
| thiago_home | odin_: there were more meego devices planned, of course. What will happen to them, only time will tell. | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | thiago_home: I hope it doesn't threaten your job | 19:12 |
| thiago_home | Venemo_N900: betrayed, like a dream being crushed. | 19:12 |
| thiago_home | I'm moving on with my adapting to the news | 19:12 |
| thiago_home | I'm in the angry-baragaining phase | 19:13 |
| jarkko^ | thiago_home: same here :) | 19:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | thiago_home: I feel sorry for all the people like you who feel this way. especially the ones who're going to be fired | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | there's a fitting youtube video about what we're all collectively feeling.. | 19:13 |
| * thiago_home is more worried about the subcontractors and ecosystem companies who made a bet on meego | 19:13 | |
| thiago_home | hopefully intel and new partners will pick it up | 19:14 |
| bunk | odin_: IMHO it doesn't make sense for N to go with more than one of Symbian/MeeGo/WP7. What choice would have been best is hard to say. | 19:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | thiago_home: oh yeah, heard about a bunch of them yesterday | 19:14 |
| Aparna | r there going to be new partners? | 19:14 |
| thiago_home | Aparna: we'll see | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c <- got to love robot chicken | 19:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | thiago_home: for example, 80% of Jartza's courses were cancelled | 19:14 |
| thiago_home | Aparna: I really don't know now. But stay tuned from news from MWC. | 19:14 |
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| Aparna | MWC stands for? | 19:15 |
| thiago_home | Mobile World Congress | 19:15 |
| Aparna | ah ok | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: the good news is that the new tablet UX is already causing buzz.. | 19:15 |
| Aparna | yep waiting for something from there. | 19:15 |
| thiago_home | I know of companies that were interested and were ready to adopt meego | 19:15 |
| thiago_home | whether that has changed, this week will tell | 19:15 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: do you know if it's going to be OSS? | 19:15 |
| * Aparna wants "Long live Meego rather than long ago lived MeeGo | 19:15 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: i hope so :/ | 19:15 |
| thp | Stskeeps: where's the tablet ux? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | thp: check meego twitter | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | some funny things there | 19:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: we'll know tomorrow I guess... right? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | if anything, meego isn't dead and i'll do my part to make sure it doesn't die, at least on MeeGo ARM side. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:16 |
| bunk | Stskeeps | 19:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: thanks for that :) | 19:17 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: it seems that a nvidia engineer is working on a tegra port | 19:17 |
| MurmurOR | http://www.msqt.org/index.html | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: yeah, i know | 19:17 |
| MurmurOR | What is MSQt library? | 19:17 |
| ukas | joke | 19:17 |
| MurmurOR | ah ok :) | 19:17 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: I guess ARM side is the most interesting question with Intel as main company... | 19:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: is there any sign that Nokia reduced MeeGo's funding? | 19:17 |
| thp | Stskeeps: oh, just that one picture of the tablet? | 19:18 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: this may mean a lot of tegra powered Meego tablet next year | 19:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | thp: there was a pre-alpha video in the summer | 19:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | thp: also beta some months ago. | 19:18 |
| jmk | venemo_n900: yes there was, in investor announcement. | 19:18 |
| odin_ | bunk, I agree... this is great for MS to be in a position to stagnate an opposing market, I read that Elop is 7th on the top shard holders of Microsoft, but it is very difficult to not see this motive if all these facts are true | 19:18 |
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| thp | Venemo_N900: yep, saw that video, but already forgot about it ;) | 19:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | jmk: that's bad news | 19:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | thp: me too | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: the interesting part is -when- this happens. | 19:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | thp: if it's gonna be OSS and will run on a 4-5" tablet, I can totally imagine me buying it | 19:19 |
| jmk | something will remain but with fraction of the budget | 19:19 |
| bunk | odin_: N has a history of changing it's main strategy every 1-2 years, so stay tuned for N switching to Android in 2012... 8-) | 19:20 |
| thp | Venemo_N900: yep, sure | 19:20 |
| CosmoHill | bastards, Adobe Fireworks won't read NEF or DNG formats | 19:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | I guess the guys at Intel are very pissed | 19:20 |
| jmk | except that this strategy comes with vendor-lock-in :-/ | 19:21 |
| * Venemo_N900 has just read the past few day's MeeGo community mailing list | 19:21 | |
| jmk | ditch all own software assets, replace with single-supplier strategy. I really can't understand this.... | 19:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | jmk: noone can. | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | so, how will each of you help to make MeeGo a success anyway? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we can discuss to the end of the world about the failures :) | 19:22 |
| odin_ | keep my mouth shut ? haha | 19:22 |
| n900mixalot | unfortunatly, a law degree isn't going to do much | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: work on ipv6 | 19:22 |
| wmarone | Stskeeps: depends on if the discussion on the mailing list proceeds down the "not open" path that I interpreted the discussion as having | 19:22 |
| ab | Stskeeps, the only thing we can do is to continue polishing Harmattan and Qt in it. | 19:22 |
| n900mixalot | but lobbying is all i can offer | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: errm.? | 19:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: smoku and me are working on an actually usable UX. http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start | 19:23 |
| wmarone | or was I just reading it wrong | 19:24 |
| odin_ | re ipv6, sure I think the main thing I need to do now is look at the UI (all my other testing/checks indicate its good enough to slap some UI on it) | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | ab: for instance, or help improve the reference uis in meego, etc | 19:25 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: no offence, but lots of people dislike the direction of the handset reference ux | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: wait for tomorrow.. | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: what'll happen? | 19:26 |
| wmarone | Stskeeps: development behind closed doors? | 19:26 |
| smoku | Venemo_N900, https://picasaweb.google.com/meetmeego/MobileWorldCongress2011?fgl=true&pli=1#5573136000090017794 will happen | 19:26 |
| lbt | jbos_bk: hi, currently we only do home: projects | 19:26 |
| jbos_bk | ok | 19:27 |
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| lbt | A few of us have started a CO team to address this | 19:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | smoku: I think I've seen it | 19:27 |
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| lbt | essentially I've said a Team area needs some policy definition and process | 19:27 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: I'm still interested to do that project we talked about, just need to find out if I get the people to do it | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: i need to read that closer.. | 19:28 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: I expected as much :) | 19:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | smoku: it doesn't really mean anything for us in the case if that ux is closed source | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: i'm personaly hoping that intel does the 'right thing' in order to bootstrap meego. | 19:28 |
| wmarone | if the UI is closed source it -will- be used against the whole project | 19:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: agreed :) | 19:29 |
| lbt | so jbos_bk, you mentioned that there's an upstream project and you are working on the MeeGo packaging/work here | 19:29 |
| lbt | this seems like a typical and +ve use case | 19:29 |
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| Venemo_N900 | wmarone: opposed to all other UXes, that one is not developed in the open | 19:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | wmarone: so chances are that it's not gonna be oss... but who knows? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | long story short, big companies has open source approval processes which means that things take time to make it into open | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:30 |
| jbos_bk | yes, so basically one guy of our team is right know doing more or less frequent builds in his home project | 19:30 |
| wmarone | Venemo_N900: right, just gives oss-haters ammunition | 19:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | wmarone: heh. | 19:30 |
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| lbt | jbos_bk: that's good | 19:30 |
| jbos_bk | what we would like is to provide our application to a bigger audience | 19:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: yeah, but handset ux was developed in the open from scratch | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: errm.. no | 19:31 |
| jbos_bk | without haveing then first visiting our website and such | 19:31 |
| lbt | yep ... so I'm thinking about how to structure work like this | 19:31 |
| jbos_bk | but having more visibility on meego.com | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: people aren't remembering handset day one | 19:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: hm. | 19:31 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: oh, you are right | 19:31 |
| lbt | jbos_bk: remind me... what's the app/code | 19:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: it wasn't totally from scratch | 19:31 |
| jbos_bk | find it here peregrine-communicator.org | 19:31 |
| jbos_bk | and code here: http://gitorious.org/peregrine | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | Handset was DROPPED in.. it didn't start in the open. | 19:32 |
| lbt | so Team:Peregrine would be an integration area for you ? | 19:32 |
| jbos_bk | yea | 19:32 |
| jbos_bk | :D | 19:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | TSCHAKeee: yeah, I get it | 19:33 |
| lbt | how would it be structured? what QA is there? who has rights to which areas? how do I handle the main people going AWOL | 19:33 |
| lbt | how do I know you're really from peregrine-communicator.org ;) | 19:34 |
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| vlj | what is peregrine-communicator ? | 19:34 |
| lbt | these are the kind of common sense minimal things I want to set as 'to be answered' before giving some random irc guy 'ownership' of your project's team area | 19:34 |
| jbos_bk | yep | 19:35 |
| jbos_bk | i see that | 19:35 |
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| lbt | so... if you help me answer them and flesh them out ... you get a Team area | 19:35 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Apps | 19:36 |
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| Venemo_N900 | after reading the mailing list, I agree with the guy who said that Red Hat should get involved with MeeGo | 19:36 |
| vlj | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/live-from-an-evening-with-nokia-at-mwc-2011/ | 19:37 |
| ab | Stskeeps, there will be bunch of meego demos by Novomok at the MWC | 19:37 |
| ab | http://nomovok.com/company/news | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | ab: yeah, i know | 19:37 |
| jbos_bk | ok whats the best way to do this, I will write you a mail from my team account and prove that I'm really from the team :) | 19:37 |
| lbt | jbos_bk: actually ... what *I* care about is having a documented policy for MeeGo that you're following | 19:38 |
| lbt | luckily you get to write the policy.... then follow it | 19:38 |
| lbt | depends how bad you want a Team: area ;) | 19:39 |
| jbos_bk | :D | 19:39 |
| lbt | we will "get round to it" .... but if you help we get there quicker | 19:39 |
| wmarone | hmm | 19:39 |
| wmarone | nokia MWC thing up on engadget | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: yeah.. following | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | let's watch it in the #meego-bar, less shop talk | 19:39 |
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| jbos_bk | well i think it would be cool to have those team area so its just fair to help structuring it | 19:40 |
| lbt | this is a new area ... this : http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html explains some of my random thinking | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | ab: ouch, I see what you mean, I have an image that is 3.9MB DNG, 4.9MB NEF and 26.6MB PNG | 19:42 |
| lbt | jbos_bk: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Apps#Initial_Steps now has "Teams" link | 19:43 |
| lbt | note that opensuse OBS has something a little like this | 19:43 |
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| vlj | Nokia is gaining revenues from advertising with WP7 | 19:44 |
| vlj | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/live-from-an-evening-with-nokia-at-mwc-2011/ | 19:44 |
| lbt | jbos_bk: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?package=&project=devel%3Alanguages%3Aruby%3Aextensions | 19:44 |
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| share1 | pool meego | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: #meego-bar, please :0 | 19:44 |
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| ab | CosmoHill, in addition to that, PNG design leaves you very little ways to optimize it in constraint environments like N900 | 19:44 |
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| ab | CosmoHill, it is horribly slow :) | 19:44 |
| share1 | abandoned by nokia | 19:45 |
| Aranel | is it possible to watch Nokia @ MWC live? | 19:45 |
| vlj | ab: what is the "best" format to reduce memory footprint and that is lossless ? | 19:45 |
| vlj | format that is optimised for photo, ie 24 bits | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: #meego-bar and live blog ;) | 19:45 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps: okay ^^ | 19:46 |
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| ab | vlj, I wish I could say. DNG is nice, though. | 19:46 |
| vlj | I guess it is an open format ? | 19:46 |
| jbos_bk | yeah, lot to read. so lets go lbt | 19:47 |
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| ab | vlj, the spec is open by Adobe and it tries to get the format through ISO | 19:48 |
| vlj | ok | 19:48 |
| lbt | jbos_bk: so... setting expectations, unless you write like a BSD mascot and we happen to totally agree on scope this is going to take at least a few days or longer. I'd like to see an outline/draft go on the wiki and then get to the ml | 19:49 |
| jbos_bk | yep ok than I would say, lets get started | 19:51 |
| topeira | So, Nokia didn't show a single image prototype in "meego phase", and now it shows with WP7 | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | topeira: #meego-bar please :) | 19:51 |
| topeira | Stskeeps: sorry | 19:52 |
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| share1 | meego-bar has less people. http://www.hudieai.com/?fromuid=136809 | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | share1: yeah, but this is a place of work | 19:53 |
| wmarone | someone punt share1 | 19:54 |
| share1 | oh~ sorry,I's leave and have a sleep now... | 19:54 |
| share1 | because today is valentine's day | 19:55 |
| ab | it will be quite interesting what people will dig out of what is being said the on stage | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Ironically, it is very predictable what people will think | 19:56 |
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| ab | RST38h, take for example the phrase of 6:55pm :) | 19:56 |
| RST38h | URL? | 19:56 |
| share1 | http://www.hudieai.com/?fromuid=136809 | 19:57 |
| ab | RST38h, the above engadget's live from MWC | 19:57 |
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| ab | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/live-from-an-evening-with-nokia-at-mwc-2011/?sort=newest&refresh=60 | 19:57 |
| lbt | ab: please take it to #meego-bar | 19:57 |
| RST38h | ab: He means "If you can change your mindset, kneel down and continue working, otherwise look for other job opportunities" | 19:58 |
| ab | lbt, good idea, thanks. | 19:58 |
| ab | RST38h, let's go to the bar :) | 19:58 |
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| RST38h | ab: I will go play with the younger kid for a few minutes :) | 19:59 |
| ab | RST38h, sure. | 19:59 |
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| smoku | huh? what happened to handset and netbook repos? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: we all merged into oss/non-oss | 20:14 |
| timoph | they're all in the same repo | 20:14 |
| smoku | why? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: easier procedures | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: and everything is built for both 86 and arm now | 20:14 |
| smoku | so both lines converged to the point we didn't have to separate? | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: more like that there was no real reason not to mix | 20:15 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: does that mean I can have handset ux on my desktop computer ? ;) | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: yes | 20:18 |
| vlj | with no issue at all ? | 20:18 |
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| mece | hello | 20:19 |
| pupnik | huu | 20:20 |
| sivang | hey mece | 20:21 |
| mece | \o | 20:21 |
| mece | what's up | 20:21 |
| mece | wasn't there suppose to be some elopocalypse event today? | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: engadget, and we're talking over in #Meego-bar | 20:22 |
| sivang | mece: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/live-from-an-evening-with-nokia-at-mwc-2011/ reading | 20:22 |
| mece | thanks sivang and Stskeeps | 20:23 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 20:54 |
| Venemo | first pic of a Nokia device running WP7: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/nokia_microsoft2.jpg | 20:54 |
| thiago_home | Venemo: wrong channel. This is #meego. | 20:54 |
| GAN900 | Venemo, don't be hateful. | 20:54 |
| Venemo | sorry, couldn't resist :P | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | Venemo: VNTFS.VXD? Me wants! | 20:55 |
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| Jartza | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/intel-promises-teases-meego-smartphone-and-tablet-for-mwc | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. hopefully that's a big bang we need in the middle of these bad news | 21:25 |
| leinir | *nods* Intel saying it is good, but intel /doing/ it, yes, that'd be even better :) | 21:25 |
| leinir | and... well, Fujitsu actually releasing a product, that is kinda nifty too ;) | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Intel does not produce devices. Donot forget it. | 21:26 |
| leinir | RST38h: They don't as such - they do, however, produce reference solutions :) | 21:26 |
| Jartza | Stskeeps: I'm hoping so. if might bring me good news :) | 21:26 |
| leinir | which is roughly as good ;) | 21:26 |
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| Jartza | yeah | 21:27 |
| Jartza | reference solution is good | 21:27 |
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| javispedro | reference "solution"? | 21:29 |
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| hirabayashitaro | some lines before it has been sad that "I can have handset ux on my desktop computer". This means also that hanset image can be virtualizen in standard virtualbox environment? | 21:37 |
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| thiago_home | sure | 21:37 |
| thiago_home | it's a plain, regular Linux | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: provided it can do GLESv2/EGL | 21:38 |
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| vlj | hi again | 21:38 |
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| vlj | ab: how can I run tests in quillimagesfilters ? | 21:38 |
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| hirabayashitaro | I'll try it. Some special things to to? Any wiki/guide or something? | 21:39 |
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| ab | vlj, there is testrunner.py which parses tests.xml and runs tests | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | what's the correct location for .mo files to be in? /usr/lib/locale or /usr/share/locale ? | 21:40 |
| vlj | ab: do I need libquill to run quillimagefilters ? | 21:40 |
| ab | vlj, or you can run them from tests/bin/ manually, they are just normal qt test framework tests | 21:41 |
| vlj | (plz say no plz say no) | 21:41 |
| ab | vlj, no, you don't | 21:41 |
| vlj | thx :p | 21:41 |
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| ab | vlj, libquill is for higher level things like multiple levels management | 21:41 |
| vlj | multiple level management ? | 21:41 |
| ab | vlj, quill supports multiple preview levels per image | 21:42 |
| vlj | ho ok | 21:42 |
| ab | vlj, you define them and then needed preview levels can be loaded and filters will be run on those | 21:42 |
| vlj | ab: tests can run on a x86 desktop computer ? | 21:42 |
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| ab | so you can have full screen preview and full image, for example | 21:42 |
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| vlj | with no simulator at all ? | 21:43 |
| ab | vlj, yes, all works there too | 21:43 |
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| vlj | thx | 21:43 |
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| ab | vlj, however, quillimagefilters' tests (some of them) require quillmetadata library | 21:44 |
| ab | as Qt imaging classes ignore metadata | 21:44 |
| hirabayashitaro | wait a moment, where can I find the latest handset release to test on vbox? | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: repo.meego.com | 21:44 |
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| vlj | ok | 21:45 |
| Venemo | bye folks | 21:45 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: more specific hint? I'm really sorry (and stupid) but cannot manage to understand which is which | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: handset-ia32-mtf | 21:46 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: so this is what I'm searching for I suppose http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.2.20110208.4/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-mtf/ | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:47 |
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| * vlj is compiling quilimagefilters project | 21:48 | |
| vlj | ab: there is no facedetection algorithm yet ? | 21:48 |
| pupnik | that's pretty advanced stuff | 21:49 |
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| ab | vlj, no open source version yet | 21:50 |
| vlj | ok | 21:50 |
| ab | I guess almost every company has their own version :) | 21:50 |
| npm | gee and i thought MeeGo@Nokia was no more: http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en&radiusType=K&radius=1&organization=2746770113868&searchcriteria.state=false | 21:50 |
| ab | npm, these are jobs posted before, this is automated system | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | npm: meego isn't dead, nor at nokia | 21:51 |
| npm | posted 7 and 10 february!@ | 21:51 |
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| ab | npm, so what, we didn't know about the deal before it was announced publicly | 21:52 |
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| meegoer1 | hi. i have just installed meego on my netbook. i have problem- no wifi or wired connection. (need to install atheros and broadcom drivers)... but i need gcc to do this | 21:54 |
| npm | i should have added a smiley to "dead" Stskeeps... sorry. | 21:54 |
| meegoer1 | the question is: where i can download packages for meego? | 21:54 |
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| jonnor | meegoer1: use your package manager | 21:55 |
| jonnor | meegoer1: zypper from the commandline, for instance | 21:55 |
| meegoer1 | jonnor: YEAH,.. | 21:55 |
| meegoer1 | jonnor: no wifi, no wired connection. no wifi, no wired connection.... | 21:56 |
| jonnor | meegoer1: sorry, didn't read though :) http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/ | 21:56 |
| meegoer1 | thanks | 21:56 |
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| jonnor | meegoer1: but I would consider trying 1.2 prelease before spending to much time on fixing 1.1 | 21:57 |
| dvoid_ | is meego for netbooks dead? | 21:57 |
| jonnor | dvoid_: define dead | 21:57 |
| vlj | ab: defaultfilter needs QuillimageMetadata | 21:57 |
| dvoid_ | jonnor, not developed anymore | 21:57 |
| ab | vlj, yep, as I said above | 21:57 |
| meegoer1 | dead?? | 21:57 |
| npm | that's the thing i find an odd leap. did any of the announcements even mention netbook? | 21:57 |
| vlj | ab: it's not a test :) | 21:58 |
| dvoid_ | i have read alot about the netbook version not being developed anymore | 21:58 |
| jonnor | dvoid_: there has not been very much development on the standard netbook UX lately. There has been no announcements if this will pick up again though | 21:58 |
| npm | so why do people jump to that conclusion since nokia isn't into netbooks anyways | 21:58 |
| meegoer1 | jonnor: why should i install it when you say that meego for netbooks is "dead" | 21:58 |
| dvoid_ | (maybe because it uses gtk instead of qt) | 21:58 |
| ab | vlj, we need that anyway, proper save filter needs to preserve metadata in images loaded through load filter | 21:58 |
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| npm | even though a meego tablet with nice nokia build quality/design would be an ipad killer | 21:59 |
| ab | npm, netbook UX was part of moblin, i.e. coming from Intel | 21:59 |
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| dvoid_ | would be nice with a qt based ui for netbooks ;) | 21:59 |
| dvoid_ | maybe adapt the tablet ui | 21:59 |
| jonnor | meegoer1: the netbook UX is still supported, and that it has not gotten much love lately might just be temporary | 21:59 |
| npm | my son had an assignment to write a business letter to a company executive. guess which executive he chose (he uses meego netbook) | 22:00 |
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| vlj | ab: do I need defaultplugin to build everything else ? | 22:00 |
| meegoer1 | can meego run vmware? | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | top gear time | 22:00 |
| meegoer1 | (not meego ON vmware, i'd like to consider installing vmware on meego for ie. winxp) | 22:01 |
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| ab | vlj, default filters need quillimagefilter, quillmetadata, libjpeg | 22:01 |
| npm | why not qemu? | 22:01 |
| jonnor | Meego is pretty standard GNU/Linux, it can run most things you'd see on standard distros. VmWare does not support Meego afaik, but I see no reason why it would not work | 22:01 |
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| ab | vlj, and quill metadata needs exempi itself | 22:02 |
| ab | we are going to switch to libtag from gstgreamer "soon" so it will be self-contained for both EXIF and XMP parsing | 22:02 |
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| jonnor | npm: qemu is not nice without kvm (few netbooks have the neccesary extensiosn). If you prefer an open source solution, consider VirtualBox | 22:02 |
| ab | yes, libexif is needed there too yet | 22:02 |
| dvoid_ | afaik meego netbook is tricky on vm's since it relies on compositing which is usualy not supported | 22:03 |
| ab | all dependencies are mentioned in either debian/ or in rpm specs in MeeGo | 22:03 |
| dwd | jonner, I think some variants of vmware require virtualization support in the CPU, so that might be problematic. Also, vmware doesn't exist for ARM AFAIK. | 22:03 |
| npm | so is there a meego kvm? | 22:03 |
| jonnor | npm: what do you mean? | 22:03 |
| npm | you said it's not nice w/o kvm... | 22:03 |
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| npm | but what about a non netbook running meego.. like one w/ a intel i3/i5/i7 | 22:04 |
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| jonnor | kvm is a kernel feature, I believe it is enabled in the Meego kernel. But it requires hardware virtualizatione extensions which most netbooks don't have | 22:04 |
| meegoer1 | I don't see gcc package in repo... please help | 22:05 |
| npm | well you can get an athlonII or netbook these days | 22:05 |
| vlj | ab: there is a lot of missing shared lib when I try to run a test | 22:05 |
| npm | alas amd graphics not supported... | 22:05 |
| vlj | libquilimagefilter.so, lib_unittest.so ... | 22:05 |
| npm | yet | 22:05 |
| vlj | is there an "easy" way to add shared libs to LD Library path ? | 22:05 |
| thiago_home | LD_LIBRARY_PATH contains paths, not libs | 22:06 |
| ab | vlj, LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 22:06 |
| jonnor | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/somewhere/ | 22:06 |
| npm | e.g. http://www.netbooknews.com/12936/amd-nile-based-asus-eee-pc-1015t-now-shipping-in-the-us-350/ | 22:06 |
| vlj | yep but it is not handled by qt somehow ? | 22:06 |
| thiago_home | no | 22:06 |
| jonnor | vlj: what do you mean? | 22:06 |
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| vlj | something like "make test" command | 22:06 |
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| meegoer1 | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/repos/ia32/packages/i586/ <- which package have "make" command included?? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | meegoer1: 'make', liekyl | 22:07 |
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| meegoer1 | Stskeeps: nope. | 22:08 |
| jonnor | meegoer1: it is likely that 1.2 has the drivers you need. Please consider going that route instead | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | meegoer1: it's in core/ | 22:08 |
| vlj | ab: ut_crop test fails here :p | 22:08 |
| vlj | 1 passed, 2 failed | 22:08 |
| meegoer1 | i need broadcom 4313 drivers | 22:08 |
| vlj | ab: testFullImage and testPreview with qt 4.7.1 | 22:09 |
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| meegoer1 | Stskeeps: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/ ? | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | no, releases/ | 22:13 |
| ab | vlj, building... | 22:15 |
| meegoer1 | after installing 1.1 can I do upgrade to latest 1.2 ? | 22:15 |
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| thiago_home | yes | 22:15 |
| meegoer1 | netbook ux 1.1 works a lot faster on my atom d535 than ubuntu netbook version | 22:17 |
| meegoer1 | would be great if I'd run wifi connection on it, and upgrade to 1.2 | 22:18 |
| meegoer1 | okay, almost got gcc... 6MB to go | 22:18 |
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| ab | vlj, it fails because it expects to load crop plugin from the system path (/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/quillimagefilters in my system) | 22:19 |
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| bzhb | lobbying AAVA to make the phone available t end user : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2678 | 22:20 |
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| bzhb | to* | 22:20 |
| meegoer1 | how to install package from disk? sorry, but i don't have manuals | 22:22 |
| meegoer1 | zypper packagename doesn't works | 22:22 |
| ab | vlj, works for me if I specify QT_PLUGIN_PATH to a local path where quill image filters are installed | 22:23 |
| ab | i.e. LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.. QT_PLUGIN_PATH=../qt4/plugins/ ./ut_crop | 22:23 |
| ab | vlj, when I'm in the debian/tmp/usr/lib/quillimagefilter-tests after dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 22:24 |
| ab | it should work with 4.7.1 (I'm testing with 4.6.3 in Debian) | 22:24 |
| vlj | ab: how can I add a plugin ? | 22:26 |
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| vlj | I created a *.pro file | 22:27 |
| vlj | and hdrplugin.h and .cpp | 22:27 |
| vlj | and it says it does not find file quillimagefilter.h | 22:27 |
| vlj | it seems there is something wrong with plugin.pri | 22:28 |
| ab | vlj, did you install the library and headers (make install)? | 22:28 |
| meegoer1 | jonnor: is there a .img for 1.2 prerelease? | 22:28 |
| vlj | ab: ho sorry I made a typo | 22:28 |
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| valianholt | Hello guys, how to get Aava developer device? | 22:30 |
| Jartza | with money | 22:30 |
| valianholt | Is there any market place for it? | 22:30 |
| valianholt | ah I see: http://www.aavamobile.com/cdk-pre-order.php | 22:31 |
| thiago_home | valianholt: buy from them | 22:31 |
| valianholt | Thank you for your interest in Aava's h-SDK. Due to the volume of orders we have received, we've closed this page temporarily; please check back with us in Q1 2011. | 22:31 |
| valianholt | so I can't right now | 22:31 |
| thiago_home | I think it's $2500 each | 22:31 |
| Jartza | yeah | 22:31 |
| Jartza | something like that | 22:31 |
| Jartza | or was it $2400 | 22:31 |
| valianholt | ehm | 22:31 |
| Jartza | a bit over 2 grands anyway | 22:32 |
| valianholt | why this expensive | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | low volume | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | that's prototype prices | 22:32 |
| Jartza | yep | 22:32 |
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| valianholt | well, let's see what they release on MWC 2011 | 22:32 |
| sivaN900 | valianholt: who? | 22:33 |
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| valianholt | sivaN900: Aava Mobile | 22:33 |
| chouchoune | valianholt: I doubt they will release mass users devices | 22:34 |
| sivaN900 | ah , yes | 22:34 |
| valianholt | sure they won't | 22:34 |
| sivaN900 | aava uses atom right? | 22:34 |
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| chouchoune | the the price will be the same | 22:34 |
| * sivaN900 goes back to meego arm setup | 22:34 | |
| valianholt | yes, the new one which has to be presented on MWC, should be with Medfield atom | 22:34 |
| valianholt | which should be far better than current ARMs | 22:34 |
| vlj | ab: QuillImage store a single image ? | 22:35 |
| vlj | hdr needs several image to work | 22:36 |
| johnx | valianholt, saying "better" implies only one axis of comparison :) | 22:36 |
| ab | vlj, yes, currently a single. Filter, however, may define own options. You can pass images through options and use the main one as a resulting one | 22:37 |
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| ab | vlj, options' values are QVariant so anything that goes into QVariant and can be extracted from it by your filter is fine | 22:38 |
| vlj | ok | 22:38 |
| vlj | ab : I can extract info with doxygen ? | 22:39 |
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| ab | vlj, you mean documentation? | 22:39 |
| vlj | yup | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | question to you guys: if you saw a device that instead of meego logo had MeeGo with a big R&D stamp over and the MeeGo figures were wearing helmets and other building gear, would you expect it to function as a normal meego device? | 22:40 |
| ab | vlj, we use doxygen, yes | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: I would expect it to have lasers | 22:40 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: we? i think we'd accept it as a beta devices | 22:40 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: the rest of the world? not so much. | 22:40 |
| dm8tbr | mmmm, mount a meego device with lasers on a shark... | 22:41 |
| mihero | meego figures wearing village people gear would be better:) | 22:41 |
| RST38h | I would mount it on myself | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I'd probably assume it's a decoy or fake | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: we're discussing a bit how to seperate a development snapshot from a final meego release, also in terms of R&D projects, let's say a hardware adaptation under development | 22:41 |
| vlj | ab: sorry to ask so much simple question, I'm not used to quillfilter file hierarchy yet :) | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | :-> | 22:41 |
| ab | vlj, yep. | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: and this is an initial idea on how to do that without seperating totally from meego | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | and keeping compliance intact | 22:42 |
| * Myrtti has grown suspicious and sceptic over the years | 22:42 | |
| ab | vlj, if your system does support deb, just build packages and then you'll have documentation | 22:42 |
| vlj | I'm using opensuse | 22:42 |
| ab | vlj, alternatively, you can take meego's rpms from trunk | 22:42 |
| ab | I guess src.rpms from there would work on opensuse mostly | 22:43 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: define normal :) | 22:43 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: LOL | 22:44 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: who are "we"? | 22:44 |
| Venemo | hey sivang | 22:44 |
| sivang | Venemo: hey! you pinged me? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: #wearemeego | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:44 |
| mece | sivang, the illuminati, duh | 22:44 |
| Myrtti | freemasons | 22:44 |
| dm8tbr | and the freemasons | 22:44 |
| sivang | ? | 22:45 |
| mece | #wearethefreemasons | 22:45 |
| Myrtti | and the cabal | 22:45 |
| * sivang is not nativeenglish speaker | 22:45 | |
| Myrtti | sivang: FBI then | 22:45 |
| sivang | what has fbi to do whti this channel? | 22:45 |
| dm8tbr | sivang: the LBE TF is the answer to your question | 22:45 |
| Myrtti | or NSA, they're hiding the MeeGo prototypes at the area 51 | 22:45 |
| Venemo | sivang: yes. I was wondering if you really wrote to Mark Shuttleworth :P | 22:45 |
| dm8tbr | Myrtti: but there is NoSuchAgency!!!11! ;) | 22:45 |
| Myrtti | diu diu diu diu <twilight zone/> | 22:46 |
| sivaN900 | Stskeeps: we are meego is empty :) | 22:46 |
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| vlj | ab: is there a plugin that accept a QuillImage as a QVariant ? | 22:49 |
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| sivang | Venemo: I try to do most of the stuff I say, writing an email to an open sourcer friend is not hard. | 22:52 |
| Venemo | sivang: so does this mean you did? :) | 22:53 |
| sivang | Venemo: yes, why ? | 22:53 |
| Venemo | sivang: just out of curiosity | 22:53 |
| d12n | Stskeeps: like opensuse factory? | 22:53 |
| Venemo | sivang: I would be more than happy if a competent person could pick up MeeGo | 22:53 |
| Venemo | sivang: I mean, a competent business person who knows how to deal with open source | 22:54 |
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| ab | vlj, nope | 22:54 |
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| ab | vlj, we'll be looking into multiple images per filter, at least this was a plan for future as FCam guys wanted it too for their algorithm developments in NRC Palo Alto | 22:55 |
| sivang | Venemo: well, we'll see what happens. At least I am interested at what he has to say about this and I ope he will post it in his hbd blog | 22:56 |
| ab | vlj, however, our first priority is stability and speed for release. And here is a lot to do on some filters | 22:56 |
| sivang | anyway , back to install guide | 22:56 |
| vlj | ok | 22:56 |
| Venemo | sivang: :) | 22:56 |
| sivang | Venemo: :) | 22:57 |
| Venemo | sivang: just ping me when you have some response :P | 22:57 |
| sivang | Venemo: will do :) | 22:57 |
| vlj | ab: I was wondering how I could retrieve a QuillImage from a QVariant | 22:57 |
| Venemo | sivang: also I'd be happy to see Red Had involved | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | Another middleware company, though. Needs hardware! | 22:58 |
| sivang | Jaffa: true, I think intel is going to pick that up this is my guess | 22:58 |
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| Jaffa | sivang: Intel don't have the logistics to be a consumer manufacturer, though. The best they can do is reference designs. | 22:59 |
| sivang | Jaffa: they can get one in a blink of an ey | 22:59 |
| Venemo | actually guys, this is why I was happy to see Intel behind MeeGo. I was somehow afraid that Nokia may not finish it :P | 22:59 |
| sivang | hmm, EMP distrubences whilke on th train | 22:59 |
| sivang | sudden halts | 22:59 |
| sivang | odd | 22:59 |
| sivang | am I going through a black hole back in time? | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | d12n: does it have different artwork? | 23:00 |
| sivang | my lcd jittered like hell a ec a go | 23:00 |
| Venemo | sivang: please go back in time and prevent the nokia decision | 23:00 |
| thiago_home | while you're at it, please bring a working meego back to january 2010 | 23:00 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: lol, I will try. but chances are more that the train might catch on ire | 23:01 |
| sivang | fire | 23:01 |
| sivang | re the former | 23:01 |
| sivang | not about working meego in 2010 | 23:01 |
| sivang | :) | 23:01 |
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| ab | vlj, you can register QuillImage type via Q_DECLARE_METATYPE(QuillImage) and then use: | 23:01 |
| ab | QuillImage foo; | 23:01 |
| valianholt | anyone tried neither SHR and MeeGo? | 23:02 |
| ab | QVariant bar = foo | 23:02 |
| ab | QVariant | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | QVariant::fromValue(foo) | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | uneless QuillImage has operator QVariant() const | 23:02 |
| ab | QuillImage newfoo = bar.value<QuillImage>(); | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | right | 23:02 |
| ab | thiago_home, yep | 23:02 |
| d12n | Stskeeps: no, or it isn't obvious | 23:02 |
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| vlj | ab: do I need to declare it in my own header ? | 23:03 |
| valianholt | where to get IRC logs please? above link does not work | 23:04 |
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| vlj | ab: there will be no useless recopy ? | 23:05 |
| ab | vlj, in your private header, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qmetatype.html#Q_DECLARE_METATYPE | 23:06 |
| ab | vlj, no | 23:06 |
| vlj | ok | 23:06 |
| vlj | brb | 23:06 |
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| sivang | Venemo: I take that you read that? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568 | 23:15 |
| sivang | Venemo: old, but very interesting for qt | 23:15 |
| Venemo | sivang: not yet | 23:15 |
| sivang | yay backu done! | 23:16 |
| sivang | thiago_home: I wonder if windows phone could run Joikuspot:) | 23:16 |
| Venemo | sivang: hm, nice article | 23:16 |
| sivang | thiago_home: it is the fear of operators in this small country :) | 23:16 |
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| sivang | what an amazing company | 23:18 |
| sivang | http://www.joiku.com/?action=messages&mode=view&title_id=743 | 23:18 |
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| vlj | i'm back | 23:29 |
| Venemo | hey vlj | 23:29 |
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| vlj | thiago_home: does bar.value<someType>() where bar is QVariant trigger an exception if the type cannot be converted ? | 23:32 |
| vlj | or does it simply segfault ? | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | neither | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | it returns SomeType() | 23:32 |
| vlj | hm | 23:33 |
| * vlj is missing exceptions in Qt :p | 23:33 | |
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| sivang | vlj: can you not just use c++ exceptions? | 23:36 |
| * sivang does not know hence asking | 23:36 | |
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| thiago_home | vlj: we don't use exceptions | 23:36 |
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| vlj | I meant exception in c++ in Qt framework | 23:36 |
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| vlj | thiago_home: I known because of bad exception handling with some compiler | 23:37 |
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| thiago_home | mostly a historical condition | 23:37 |
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| thiago_home | but we've now made an API that doesn't use exceptions | 23:37 |
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| thiago_home | exceptions are really bad when dealing with events or signals and slots | 23:37 |
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| mikhas | thiago_home, explain please | 23:40 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: simple disconnect of things | 23:40 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: all event handlers and all slots should never throw | 23:41 |
| vlj | ab: quillImage represents 3 channels 8 bits image only ? | 23:41 |
| smoku | is network connection detection broken in current trunk, or is it my installation broken? | 23:42 |
| smoku | update manager and evolution both say that the network is unavailable :/ | 23:42 |
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| vgrade | smoku, we were having problems but I thought it was peculiar to my target which does not have a built in mac so needs extra configuration. Have to toggle the network on each time | 23:49 |
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| jozefk | anybody using meego 1.1 on nokia n900? is that possible at all? | 23:52 |
| jonnor | jozefk: yes, it is possible | 23:52 |
| ahiemstra | its possible to run it, I don't know if its possible to /use/ it | 23:53 |
| jozefk | is it working fine? | 23:53 |
| ahiemstra | at least, last time I tried it was not really useable | 23:53 |
| jozefk | :)) | 23:53 |
| jozefk | not usable? | 23:53 |
| ahiemstra | no, way too slow | 23:53 |
| dm8tbr | recent weeklies are said to be much faster | 23:54 |
| ahiemstra | might be related to a slow sd card though | 23:54 |
| jozefk | which phone is good for 1.1? | 23:54 |
| dm8tbr | so 1.2 could be nice | 23:54 |
| dm8tbr | the n900 | 23:54 |
| ahiemstra | dm8tbr: really? hm, sounds like I should try them then | 23:54 |
| dm8tbr | ahiemstra: beware TS acts weird, better wait for this weeks image | 23:54 |
| jonnor | jozefk: weekly images leading up to 1.2 is available, you can use that instead | 23:55 |
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| d12n | stskeeps:from your R&D Meego question, I actually started wondering, how I could find the actual Meego version I am running in the GUI | 23:55 |
| ahiemstra | dm8tbr: ok | 23:55 |
| lcuk | vgrade, I gather once apps start to be available in community OBS, it becomes almost trivial to create images including them? | 23:55 |
| dm8tbr | d12n: good point, in the filesystem there is something in /etc/ though | 23:56 |
| jozefk | weekly images are kind of release candidates or some betas or something right? is that stable enough? | 23:56 |
| d12n | stskeeps: yes but is it accessible from the GUI? | 23:56 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: that's how some of the community adaptations build | 23:56 |
| dm8tbr | d12n: well, xterm and then cat /etc/.... | 23:56 |
| lcuk | cool, so we can test a whole other aspect of meego once this gets into shape | 23:57 |
| dm8tbr | but i agree that there should be a flashy ui for it ;) | 23:57 |
| jonnor | jozefk: they are weeklies :) weeklies from early in an release cycle can be considered experimental. As things progress it should turn alpha, beta, rc stability | 23:57 |
| jonnor | but these are all just names anyhow | 23:57 |
| jozefk | ys just names but usually not that stable I think | 23:58 |
| d12n | stskeeps: well I think it should be included in the GUI somewhere | 23:58 |
| dm8tbr | jozefk: if you are looking to replace maemo, come back when 1.3 gets released and have a look again. | 23:58 |
| jbos_bk | hey lbt, it took some time but i think I'm through all this Community App Links :) | 23:58 |
| jozefk | dm8tbr, yes that's what I was thinking about. when is 1.3 suppose to be released? | 23:59 |
| thiago_home | October | 23:59 |
| dm8tbr | autumn | 23:59 |
| jbos_bk | so basically what I wonder, what is the current state. How far are we away of having a Community Driven Application Space | 23:59 |
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