| andyross | prometoys: fdisk. Just be careful. | 00:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | prometoys: why in the world would you do this? | 00:02 |
| prometoys | andyross: but with which command? i'm reading all the fdisk online help but couldn't find a option | 00:02 |
| andyross | "d" to delete the existing one, and then "n" to create a new one with the proper geometry. | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps you should use a gui? :) | 00:04 |
| prometoys | timeless_mbp: because the partition is to big | 00:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | gparted? | 00:04 |
| andyross | Or wipe the disk and restore from backup, which is always the safer option | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | prometoys: "too big"? | 00:04 |
| prometoys | andydross: d, but the data is away? | 00:04 |
| prometoys | gparted didn't want to resize the partition | 00:05 |
| andyross | fdisk only rewrites the partition table. It doesn't touch the filesystem. You're deleting the partition record. But again: be careful, because if the new record starts in a different place or is too small, you'll hose your filesystem | 00:05 |
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| prometoys | andyross: thanks, I will be carefull | 00:06 |
| prometoys | but, there isn't not really important data on it (just don't like to set up everything again) | 00:07 |
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| AstralStorm | hello there | 01:37 |
| AstralStorm | how is n8x0 port faring? | 01:37 |
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| pupnik | hey AstralStorm long time | 01:49 |
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| AstralStorm | yeah, I've mostly moved to android | 01:53 |
| AstralStorm | not enough space in the pockets | 01:53 |
| AstralStorm | but it'd be nice to know the device isn't completely useless | 01:54 |
| AstralStorm | (I could've picked a Nokia phone, but nothing good was out at the time - this cheapo LG phone I have is a stopgap) | 01:54 |
| AstralStorm | we might chat tomorrow | 01:55 |
| AstralStorm | I'm waiting for Stskeeps to give me a status update | 01:55 |
| AstralStorm | gnite | 01:55 |
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| pupnik | nite AstralStorm | 01:57 |
| pupnik | LG has an amazingly cheap phone with 854x480 resolution | 01:57 |
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| niala | testtouch | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | nice touch meego! the mouse works instantly. :) | 02:25 |
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| lcuk | (netbook edition on ideapad) :) | 02:26 |
| javispedro | you mean an external mouse? | 02:26 |
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| lcuk | yes | 02:26 |
| javispedro | :) | 02:26 |
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| javispedro | (hmpf, that was obvious. too used to calling every input device a "mouse" ;P ) | 02:27 |
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| lcuk | heh | 02:27 |
| kk | #lbt | 02:28 |
| kk | I need to get acces to meego oba | 02:28 |
| kk | obs* | 02:28 |
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| kaushik | i need access to meego obs | 02:47 |
| kaushik | seems no ones helping | 02:47 |
| kaushik | I contacted lbt as mentioned on website | 02:47 |
| tripzero | be patient young grasshopper | 02:48 |
| tripzero | lbt will be with your shortly | 02:48 |
| * tripzero plays elevator music | 02:48 | |
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| Ford_Prefect | BTW, is anyone with access to the US servers around? | 02:48 |
| kaushik | Thank U | 02:48 |
| Ford_Prefect | Also, probably really annoying to have the nick 'access' at this time :) | 02:50 |
| javispedro | tripzero: shortly as in "tomorrow"? ;) | 02:50 |
| tripzero | "shortly" is an indeterminable amount of time | 02:52 |
| javispedro | heh | 02:53 |
| tripzero | tomorrow may be a safe guess though :P | 02:53 |
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| javispedro | I hope your elevator music track is long enough :) | 02:53 |
| tripzero | i put it on repeat | 02:54 |
| tripzero | i could be mean and change it to play this nonstop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 | 02:55 |
| Ford_Prefect | Or you could put on elebeiber music | 02:56 |
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| tripzero | lol | 02:56 |
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| marnanel | is there really no way of importing vcf contacts into the contacts app other than one by one? | 03:05 |
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| chriadam | mamanel: if you're a coder, you could use the Qt Mobility Versit library to convert all of the .vcfs into Qt Contacts and save them in the qtcontacts-tracker manager on device. I'm not sure what options the default contacts application has for batch importing. | 03:13 |
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| marnanel | chriadam: I am actually a coder, but I was hoping it wouldn't come to that anyway :) | 03:30 |
| marnanel | chriadam: Thank you | 03:30 |
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| chriadam | marnanel: it's entirely possible that there is some option for batch importing with the application (maybe a command line option or something). I just don't know :-) | 03:34 |
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| lolloo | do Xchat work on MeeGo? | 04:19 |
| bef0rd | yes | 04:19 |
| bef0rd | I put a guide to compile it on http://blog.beford.org | 04:19 |
| bef0rd | also I think its available on the netbook 'comunity' repo | 04:20 |
| bef0rd | check the forums | 04:20 |
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| lolloo | awesome bef0rd | 04:23 |
| lolloo | appreciated | 04:23 |
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| sheepbat | is there a list of projects or something that could use a little help? | 04:39 |
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| pupnik | sheepbat: what kind of help? | 04:49 |
| sheepbat | I know a bit of C and could contribute some time coding or doing bugfixes or whatever | 04:49 |
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| pupnik | definitely start playing with meego | 04:55 |
| mortenmj | sheepbat: http://bugs.meego.com/ | 04:55 |
| pupnik | use other people's work... see what you like, see what doesn't work for you | 04:55 |
| mortenmj | see if you find anything you'd like to work on | 04:55 |
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| lolloo | awesome community! | 04:59 |
| lolloo | everyone will thank you. | 04:59 |
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| * Jay_BEE waves hi | 06:07 | |
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| chriadam | good afternoon, Jay_BEE. | 06:09 |
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| Jay_BEE | chriadam: thx... where are you located seeing that it's afternoon where you are? it's 8pm in california where i am so good evening to you | 06:10 |
| chriadam | in sunny Brisbane, Australia. | 06:11 |
| Jay_BEE | ah nice | 06:11 |
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| Jay_BEE | I read MeeGo 1.2 will require at least 512MB RAM. We know we have only 256MB on N900. Does this mean we have to forget using 1.2 on N900, or is there any workaround in sight? <--- seen on forum.meego.com in the handset forum... *facepalm* | 06:13 |
| zr0 | hmmm, that number might be suggested amount of ram | 06:14 |
| zr0 | especially if you're gonna be running firefox | 06:14 |
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| chriadam | Jay_BEE: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 has a list of people who would know the most about it, I guess. | 06:19 |
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| Jay_BEE | I know what's up... unfortunately it's other lost souls out there that do not | 06:20 |
| Jay_BEE | some people don't realize that the n900 continues to be used as a reference platform for testing meego | 06:21 |
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| zr0 | Jay_BEE: i'm pretty sure most meego handset devs actively develop on hte n900 | 06:26 |
| Jay_BEE | zr0: i agree 3000% | 06:26 |
| Jay_BEE | i'm working to be one of them | 06:26 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Just noticed this Intel-sponsored event tomorrow: A Dr. Dobb's TeleConference: Talking MeeGo – Introducing the Next Mobile Experience | 06:27 |
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| Jay_BEE | url? | 06:31 |
| mortenmj | i notice there's no man in meego. i'm doing some packaging right now. should i be taking out the man pages? | 06:34 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines | 06:37 |
| pupnik | good question mortenmj | 06:38 |
| pupnik | perhaps it could use some extension | 06:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Jay_BEE, the easiest URL is to go to http://www.linux-magazine.com/ and look at "MeeGo Developer Center" box. I have nothing to do with the event, was just reading the magazine (which is high-quality, BTW). | 06:52 |
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| Jay_BEE | Alison_Chaiken: thanks for the info, checking it out now | 06:52 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 07:10 |
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| copyleft | Hi, it seems I cannot login to wiki.meego.com directly. But it's no problem to login to meego.com and keep the session in wiki.meego.com. Is it common? | 07:16 |
| pupnik | maybe an oversight copyleft | 07:21 |
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| copyleft | Yeah maybe a cache or something. Sometimes http://wiki.meego.com/Special:UserLogin doesn't redirect to the meego main page. | 07:34 |
| copyleft | It's correct now. Thanks. | 07:35 |
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| hhartz | anybody know how to fix the "Init: Id"x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" issue? Seems it's connected to a process meego-power-ico being killed | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, disable it in /etc/inittab | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | and diagnose with .xsession-errors | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | in /home/meego | 08:31 |
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| hhartz | Stskeeps: ah, I think I've found the culprit. The folder /usr/share/themes is busted | 08:34 |
| hhartz | Stskeeps: I installed libmeegotouch and that must have screwed things up :) | 08:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, as usual ;) | 08:34 |
| hhartz | anybody able to .tar.gz up that folder for me? | 08:34 |
| hhartz | haha | 08:34 |
| hhartz | Stskeeps: well, I did manage to get Qt Quick components running so :) | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | there's this rpm or zypper feature to verify checksums | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | or missing files | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | might be useful | 08:35 |
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| hhartz | Stskeeps: aaah, just reinstalled the netbook theme and all is sweetness | 08:38 |
| * hhartz gives Stskeeps a manly bear-hug | 08:38 | |
| Stskeeps | we should probably file a bug against mtf :P | 08:38 |
| RST38h | Morning Stskeeps | 08:39 |
| hhartz | Stskeeps: no, file a bug against rm -rf the theme folder :P | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 08:39 |
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| hhartz | Stskeeps: stupidity must be punished, eh? | 08:43 |
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| adeus | are the meego maling lists working? | 09:20 |
| Ford_Prefect | I have a message on -packaging from 6 minutes ago | 09:20 |
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| adeus | yes now I got mine | 09:22 |
| adeus | they stopped coming via gmail though | 09:22 |
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| zinit | morning | 09:33 |
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| Myrtti | adeus: I think there might be something wrong with gmail rather than the mailing lists | 09:35 |
| Myrtti | adeus: I just sent myself a newsletter testing email and it hasn't come through yet | 09:36 |
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| adeus | yes | 09:36 |
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| Jay_BEE | good night and good day to all | 10:01 |
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| lbt | kismeter: sure ... what are you planning on doing? | 10:16 |
| lbt | we can talk here... | 10:18 |
| kismeter | I see | 10:18 |
| kismeter | ok | 10:18 |
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| lbt | ah, csw_ocube is back too | 10:19 |
| lbt | csw_ocube: talk here, not msg please | 10:19 |
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| lbt | kismeter: sorry - your meego.com account? | 10:22 |
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| lbt | csw_ocube: and what where you planning on doing on the OBS? | 10:22 |
| lbt | so csw_ocube and kismeter ... I'm off soon. If you want enabling then now is a good time to answer. | 10:25 |
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| kismeter | my meego.com account is kismeter | 10:27 |
| lbt | and what apps are you looking at? | 10:28 |
| mtameni | lbt, i read to ask you for using obs, but i have some question before... you have some time? or i can ask you later... | 10:28 |
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| jnwi | How long does it usually take to get a new event in the meego.com events list? (And does anyone know who approves them?) | 10:28 |
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| lbt | mtameni: fire away and I'll get back as I can :) | 10:28 |
| lbt | meeting in 2 but I can type | 10:29 |
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| kismeter | middleware | 10:29 |
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| lbt | kismeter: that's not an app :) | 10:30 |
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| mtameni | lbt, i want to port library already packaged for debian... i'm writing the spec file, after that if i understand correctly i can use obs to build the package and made it avaiable.. right? | 10:30 |
| lbt | yep | 10:30 |
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| lbt | what's your meego.com account ? | 10:30 |
| mtameni | netvandal | 10:30 |
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| lbt | done ... amazing what a little friendly conversation gets you isn't it ;) | 10:32 |
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| lolloo | all Meego community is friendly | 10:32 |
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| lbt | so kismeter... community OBS is an opensource place for OSI approved apps. I'm just asking what you're planning on doing there. "Middleware" seems a bit terse :) | 10:33 |
| lbt | (or libs) | 10:34 |
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| mtameni | lbt, hahah, thanks a lot :) | 10:34 |
| kismeter | my meego.com account is kismeter | 10:35 |
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| Myrtti | kismeter: you told that already... but what are you going to do in the community obs? | 10:36 |
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| kismeter | to have deep understand about meego obs | 10:37 |
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| Myrtti | ohai jnwi, didn't notice you there. Which event this time :-P | 10:38 |
| jnwi | next Helsinki meetup. Tried to add it last week and it's not been approved yet | 10:39 |
| jnwi | and hi :) | 10:39 |
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| Myrtti | ah, right. Was scared for a moment there'd be another meego conference in May, this time in Helsinki :-P | 10:40 |
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| Myrtti | lbt: you're welcome | 10:40 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, food | 10:46 |
| mtameni | i'mi'm following this tutorial: http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Deb_conversion_example | 10:46 |
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| mtameni | any other hint to port a libs packages | 10:46 |
| mtameni | ? | 10:47 |
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| mtameni | lbt, you said done for me? right? | 10:54 |
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| Myrtti | adeus: whee, the email arrived | 10:55 |
| adeus | yes with a 100 friends :) | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 10:56 |
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| lbt | mtameni: back - yes | 11:00 |
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| lbt | Myrtti: am I being reasonable? | 11:01 |
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| mtameni | lbt, i have to wait a mail for login credential? | 11:01 |
| Myrtti | lbt: yes | 11:01 |
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| lbt | mtameni: no - you should have immediate access using meego.com credentials | 11:01 |
| Ford_Prefect | lbt: btw, who's on the US server (recap: for my community obs access - arunsr) | 11:02 |
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| lbt | Ford_Prefect: he didn't appear last night :( | 11:02 |
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| Ford_Prefect | lbt: ah, okay. No worries. | 11:03 |
| mtameni | lbt, hum.. login failed with meego.com credential | 11:04 |
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| RST38h | Moo, myrtti, lbt | 11:06 |
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| lbt | mtameni: https://build.pub.meego.com/ ? | 11:07 |
| lbt | RST38h: Baaa | 11:07 |
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| mtameni | lbt, a ok, now works, i'm on the wrong domain... http://build.meego.com | 11:08 |
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| lbt | always helps | 11:08 |
| mtameni | lbt, thanks a lot | 11:08 |
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| kallam | lbt: can I get build.pub.meego.com account. My meego account is kallam. | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: have you had time to look at slides | 11:12 |
| lbt | kallam: sure - what are you planning on doing there ? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no, been busy getting my osol server alive from a dead system usb stick | 11:12 |
| lbt | Ford_Prefect: did you try this am ? | 11:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | ouch | 11:13 |
| Ford_Prefect | lbt: I tried just now, no luck | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: setup lasted a year, so it's fine and my pool is fine | 11:13 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 11:14 | |
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| kallam | lbt: try building some program that I don't want but build.meego.com | 11:14 |
| lbt | kallam: you have a build.meego.com account ? | 11:15 |
| lbt | Ford_Prefect: try now | 11:15 |
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| Ford_Prefect | sec | 11:16 |
| Ford_Prefect | \o/ workee! | 11:16 |
| lbt | ldap group membership is uber-sucky | 11:16 |
| kallam | lbt: yes | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can't have both? | 11:16 |
| lbt | kallam: OK - what's your www.meego.com username (usually different) | 11:16 |
| Ford_Prefect | lbt: thanks :) | 11:16 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: no ... but it's a great "this guy is sane" check | 11:17 |
| lbt | kallam: you *are* sane I assume ;) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i can vouch for kallam's abilities, yeah | 11:17 |
| lbt | mmm you have abilities so clearly the sanity correlation is low | 11:17 |
| kallam | lbt: meego.com kallam, build.meego.com kalle.lampila | 11:18 |
| Myrtti | I was wondering what use I'd have for a build account, then I realised I could make pink pony wallpaper packages. | 11:18 |
| lbt | done ... try that | 11:18 |
| Myrtti | probably not a good idea though | 11:18 |
| lbt | Myrtti: it's a great idea | 11:18 |
| lbt | (really... not uk sarcasm :) ) | 11:19 |
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| Myrtti | I hate wallpaper packages myself :-D | 11:19 |
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| lbt | meh ... it will be the meego way | 11:19 |
| lbt | kallam: can you confirm it works... | 11:20 |
| lbt | did I miss anyone? | 11:20 |
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| lbt | Myrtti: added you too - no excuses now | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | oh ffs. Now I'm getting Facebook notification emails from last night... | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | wondered where they went, apparently gmail really did have some sort of constipation | 11:22 |
| lbt | l8r all | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | awwwww, damnit | 11:23 |
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| lbt | o/ bergie | 11:26 |
| kallam | lbt: should that be same username and passwd than www.meego.com? | 11:27 |
| lbt | yes | 11:27 |
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| lbt | passwd changes take an hour to sync | 11:27 |
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| bergie | hey lbt | 11:29 |
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| kallam | lbt: I get | 11:31 |
| kallam | lbt: I get Authentication failed error | 11:31 |
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| summel | The website at meego.com contains elements from the site thenokiablog.com, which appears to host malware | 11:32 |
| summel | :O | 11:32 |
| lbt | X-Fade: ^^ | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug please | 11:33 |
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| summel | :S im so tired | 11:35 |
| summel | i wrote mugs.beego.com | 11:35 |
| summel | :S | 11:35 |
| lbt | kallam: ah... never give anyone a choice... :) I enabled kalle.lampila not kallam ..... try now | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:36 |
| summel | is there a public account for filing bugs? | 11:36 |
| * lbt *will* write a "validate user exists" test | 11:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | summel: if you have a meego account you can file a bug | 11:36 |
| lbt | summel: anonymous ? | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | if you use openid, you can use that to log in | 11:36 |
| summel | something like that | 11:36 |
| lbt | no | 11:36 |
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| kallam | lbt: now it works. Thanks. | 11:36 |
| summel | i dont want to sign up on yet another website where i post one bug report and then never log in again :P | 11:36 |
| ieatlint | summel, i'm curious, what's your basis for thinking thenokiablog.com hosts malware? | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | summel: if you're here, you probably care about meego | 11:37 |
| summel | ieatlint: chrome says that | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: camino says so too | 11:37 |
| ieatlint | i actually think that that is a real blog | 11:37 |
| summel | timeless_mbp: well i cared about meego some time ago | 11:37 |
| ieatlint | chrome on my system doesn't, heh | 11:37 |
| ieatlint | perhaps you should notify thenokiablog.com | 11:37 |
| summel | when i hoped that meego would support WPA2 Wifi Networks anytime soon | 11:37 |
| summel | :S | 11:37 |
| ieatlint | and have them figure out what's up, and deal with it with google | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: users generally don't know *how* to notify sites | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's perfectly reasonable to tell a downstream | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | because presumably the downstream knew how to contact the person when the person asked to be added | 11:38 |
| summel | The website at thenokiablog.com contains elements from sites which appear to host malware | 11:38 |
| summel | Malwarehttp://odnon.org/dsdfkjsdkjkjsdfkjsdlkkds/Safe Browsing diagnostic page | 11:38 |
| summel | Malwarehttp://odnon.org/dsdfkjsdkjkjsdfkjsdlkkds/Safe Browsing diagnostic page | 11:38 |
| ieatlint | there's an obvious "contact" section on thenokiablog.com | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: um | 11:39 |
| summel | i wont go on thenokiablog.com for contact information when i get that message | 11:39 |
| summel | :O | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: please *don't* tell people to bypass safe browsing | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | that's insane | 11:39 |
| ieatlint | heh | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm reminded of a security dev @mozilla.com | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | he got a safe browsing warning while using firefox | 11:39 |
| ieatlint | i'll go ahead and post a comment on the contact page | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | his immediate reaction was to try the page in IE | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | summel: thanks for pasting the links here though... | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | having done that.. he said something like "oops, that was stupid" | 11:40 |
| ieatlint | 95% chance their ad service is aggregating a site that chrome feels is suspicious | 11:40 |
| summel | Myrtti: there is a warning in front of them :) | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: "feels" is a weak word | 11:40 |
| ieatlint | no, not really | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: and it isn't chrome | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | summel: I still wouldn't have pasted them, some people are stupid enough to configure their irc clients to auto-open links | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it's google's safe browsing initiative | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | as i said, camino agrees | 11:40 |
| summel | Myrtti: well thats theyr fault then | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | summel: no | 11:41 |
| summel | insurance wouldnt pay if you leave the door open also :P | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | summel: no, it's your fault for not considering it and propagating the links further | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | someone might accidentally click on a link because the lines move | 11:41 |
| summel | why should i consider something like that? | 11:41 |
| summel | thats just plain supid | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | because you're a good netizen | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | summel: wrongdoings of others do not justify yours | 11:41 |
| summel | :S | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | you're taking the time to report something relating to malware | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | just because someone else is stupid doesn't mean you have to be | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | take the time to think about why malware is dangerous | 11:42 |
| ieatlint | there, i've submitted a notice to the person running the site | 11:43 |
| ieatlint | continue with your fear rant | 11:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | summel: out of curiosity, if you were interested in meego a while ago, why haven't you created a meego account? | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | note that historically maemo and meego have given away interesting goodies for people who are involved | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, 750+ people got ideapads last week for being involved | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and 1000 people got umbrellas and shirts | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (the umbrella was an invitation to talk to airport security about the ideapad) | 11:45 |
| summel | timeless_mbp: i did but i cant remember the login name and the password and the maila dress i used istn valid anymore | 11:45 |
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| summel | ieatlint: ty :) | 11:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | summel: you should have added openid for it | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | do you really not have an openid provider? | 11:45 |
| summel | maybe i should | 11:45 |
| summel | oh i have several | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 11:45 |
| summel | i just dont really like it | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i've started to like it | 11:45 |
| summel | i dont want to use just one password for all my accounts | 11:46 |
| summel | THAT is also stupid | 11:46 |
| summel | .P | 11:46 |
| summel | i would use openid if i could use a OTP-generator with the login information | 11:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | one password for your openid provider | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | random never used passwords for all your openid authorized accounts | 11:47 |
| summel | yes and as soon as a person has that one password it can login to all my accounts! | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | it's like sshkeys | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | wouldn't you rather *know* when they're doing it? | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | if someone else posts something to meego.com as you | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and they also have keys to your bank account | 11:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | wouldn't it be better for someone to tell you "hey, did you post something to meego?" | 11:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | and you say "oh no, i've had my creds stolen, my bank's vulnerable" | 11:48 |
| ieatlint | btw, this page might be of interest http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://thenokiablog.com/&client=chromium&hl=en-US | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | than for you *not* to know | 11:49 |
| ieatlint | you'll note that google explicitly states the site is not known to host malware | 11:49 |
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| summel | oO timeless_mbp your example lacks practicality | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: that page is confusing | 11:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | summel: yeah, don't pair your bank :) | 11:49 |
| summel | why would somebody tell me that i posted something to a website? | 11:49 |
| summel | besiedes that yes | 11:50 |
| summel | :D | 11:50 |
| summel | *besides | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | summel: if the post is out of character for you | 11:50 |
| summel | ha | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | people will ask if you did something | 11:50 |
| summel | as if anybody here would notice | 11:50 |
| summel | :D | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. if it's a curse | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | or spam | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | or ... | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | morning | 11:50 |
| summel | i still prefer using different passwords for all my logins | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: that's confusing | 11:50 |
| summel | as i said... i would use openid with OTP | 11:50 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i have a feeling that if google did that to a website that actually had a bank of lawyers, they'd be getting a very interesting lawsuit | 11:51 |
| summel | ieatlint: What is the current listing status for thenokiablog.com? | 11:51 |
| summel | Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer. | 11:51 |
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| ieatlint | summel, yeah, but it provides no evidence of this, and even goes on to state that it is not known to host malware | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | ieatlint: the bank would lose | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | which is fine w/ me | 11:52 |
| summel | ieatlint: there is more content from other websites on thenokiablog.com | 11:52 |
| ieatlint | then clearly you know more than i do | 11:52 |
| jeremiah_ | ieatlint: Yeah, I saw that too. Google popped up a huge nasty warning | 11:53 |
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| summel | odnon dot org | 11:53 |
| summel | buywisecredit dot net | 11:53 |
| ieatlint | summel, "Over the past 90 days, thenokiablog.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites." | 11:53 |
| summel | well maybe they just started | 11:53 |
| summel | if i get more then 3 HUGE red warnings | 11:53 |
| summel | i dont want to visit that site anymore | 11:53 |
| summel | also everything that loads stuff from buywisecredit dot net is suspicious | 11:54 |
| jnwi | I must be blind... The event I submitted is actually in the events list. Somehow I was under the impression I was supposed to get an email when it was approved. | 11:54 |
| ieatlint | summel, not trying to change your mind on it | 11:55 |
| summel | no | 11:55 |
| summel | :D | 11:55 |
| ieatlint | just stating that you're villifying a site without any evidence of anything | 11:55 |
| summel | well | 11:55 |
| ieatlint | when i load that site, i can find nothing that references an "odnon.org" or a "buywisecredit.net" | 11:55 |
| summel | why should anything from buywisecredit dot net be on that website? oO | 11:55 |
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| summel | ieatlint: f i click on "ignore this warning" i get a second warning with odon and if i ignore that one i get a third warning with buywisecredit | 11:56 |
| Jokke | summel: either honeypot-machine for websurfing or browser into chroot-jail :D | 11:56 |
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| ieatlint | summel, yeah, my point is that google themselves say the site is not known to host malware, and if you choose to go through your warnings, you'll find no reference to either of those sites | 11:56 |
| summel | hm ok | 11:57 |
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| Jokke | ieatlint: well it probably would not be just suspicious if they knew that there is malware hosted | 11:58 |
| andybleaden | slaine, Hi Sorry I missed you yesterday.You were asking about why meego and not moblin | 11:58 |
| slaine | No | 11:58 |
| slaine | I was asking about what you brought over from Moblin (just curious) | 11:58 |
| summel | ieatlint: in the whole sourcode never does odon or buywisecredits show up once | 11:59 |
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| summel | nor in linked images or stylesheets or anywhere else | 11:59 |
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| summel | so i guess it really is a false warning | 11:59 |
| andybleaden | slaine, nothing really .just experience | 11:59 |
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| summel | anyways the site maintainer should be notified :D | 11:59 |
| slaine | well, you where talking about packages etc. was just curious | 11:59 |
| slaine | was thinking of porting over the original moblin gtk theme | 11:59 |
| andybleaden | slaine, I am not a developer so I cannot 'build' stuff - well not yet | 11:59 |
| RST38h | summel: If site owner cares, he will fix the site | 11:59 |
| slaine | as after some usage, I prefere it | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | summel: If ste owner does not care, I do not see why you would | 12:00 |
| andybleaden | Hmm I have already hacked into in a got the splash for shutdown | 12:00 |
| andybleaden | slaine, Hmm I have already hacked into in a got the splash for shutdown | 12:00 |
| andybleaden | slaine, and a few other bits and pieces | 12:00 |
| slaine | yeah | 12:01 |
| andybleaden | slaine, would love to have the old myzone panel icons. Would it be easy to do ...?? | 12:01 |
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| andybleaden | slaine, more than happy to help where I can | 12:02 |
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| andybleaden | slaine, in fact if I could I would love to help out as I really liked the way the moblin interface worked | 12:03 |
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| slaine | andybleaden: it works pretty much the same way, the theme was just updated | 12:06 |
| slaine | you could grab the moblin icon theme source rpm from the Fedora 13 repo's and recompile it for meego 1.1 | 12:06 |
| andybleaden | slaine, grab - yes recompile- would not have a clue? | 12:07 |
| slaine | sudo zypper install rpmdev-tools | 12:07 |
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| slaine | rpmbuild --rebuild <src.rpm> | 12:07 |
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| CosmoHill | hey saltsa_ | 12:08 |
| CosmoHill | and slaine | 12:08 |
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| CosmoHill | (curse you tab complete) | 12:08 |
| slaine | Hey CosmoHill | 12:08 |
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| andybleaden | slaine, ok maybe I could have a go at that and let you know how I get on ok | 12:10 |
| slaine | If that doesn't "just work" then we extract the source rpm and fiddle with the spec file to see if we can sort it | 12:11 |
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| andybleaden | slaine, cool. will give it a bash perhaps on Thursday and see how I get on. Will notify you via here if I run into trouble. Where would I put them for others to test ? | 12:13 |
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| slaine | no idea yet | 12:14 |
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| andybleaden | slaine, perhaps in the wiki under here http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 12:15 |
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| andybleaden | slaine, any road I will have a go ..need to split | 12:17 |
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| slaine | I guess that'd be the place, I've not had a chance to look into it yet | 12:18 |
| slaine | I should get my wifi drivers up there | 12:18 |
| slaine | lbt, I can't recall if we thought it'd be ok to put them up or not | 12:18 |
| andybleaden | slaine, well they are 'nearly'open aren't they | 12:19 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=480785&posted=1#post480785 :) | 12:19 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: nice | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | alterego: it probably cleared your history anyway :) | 12:52 |
| alterego | wrong channel :P | 12:53 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Quick fix reaction: delete everything. | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: One would've hoped followed up with a careful restore, but p'raps not. | 13:03 |
| ralnaemi | What's this recent trend of using Intel CE4100 for all STBs? Wouldn't that make them cost $200 at a minimum? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: well, the thing is that afaik only -some- posts were deleted and i was able to access those before | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: so i wonder if something fucked up | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | before being after the post deletion | 13:04 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Interesting. I couldn't - but I didn't try extensively (cos of the indices being deleted ;-)) | 13:05 |
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| arfoll | ralnaemi, do you know the price of CE41xx? | 13:13 |
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| slaine | arfoll: I'd love to know :) | 13:13 |
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| arfoll | slaine, wouldn't be able to tell you if I knew | 13:14 |
| slaine | lol | 13:14 |
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| dominig | The CE4100 is not available on the general market and the price varies with the selected configuration. The Chips are actually manufactured for each individual orders. Get a requests for a few 100,000 and you will get an offer :-) | 13:17 |
| dominig | In the mean time you have a british company which sells a development kit for CE4100 (but I cannot garantee that it works (I actually had leak that it is not 100% ready yet) see http://www.cc-e.co.uk/ | 13:18 |
| CosmoHill | damming msn's website is so full of crap it takes forever to load | 13:19 |
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| ralnaemi | Perfect. I've been looking for development kits. | 13:19 |
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| arfoll | now all you need is some spare time and this link - http://dl.boxee.tv/boxee-ce4100-16126-source.tar.xz | 13:20 |
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| dominig | The Boxxe project is not developped on MeeGo but on the Intel embedded version of Linux called in their Jargon SDK. Better to stick to MeeGo. | 13:31 |
| arfoll | dominig, except meego on ce4100 still isn't anywhere to be found (openly) | 13:32 |
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| ralnaemi | Amino Freedom should be the first implementation, right? | 13:35 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Did you see the Trunk:non-oss(:Testing) on meego-packaging? May make interesting precedents for various parts of the community OBS | 13:47 |
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| lcuk | well at least I know why the boobie test fails now. | 13:50 |
| lcuk | (on lesser hardware :P) | 13:50 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | _MeeGoBot_ will be down due to system maintenance for about 1h | 13:51 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: copying core isn't always high on my list ;) | 13:54 |
| lbt | barisione: err | 13:54 |
| lbt | here :D | 13:54 |
| barisione | lbt: :D | 13:54 |
| lbt | too many tabs !!! | 13:55 |
| lcuk | barisione, please give this man a coffee! | 13:55 |
| barisione | lbt: can I get access to the community obs please? I work for collabora and going to start a project on meego soonish | 13:55 |
| lbt | no probs | 13:55 |
| barisione | (I worked on maemo previously) | 13:55 |
| barisione | cheers | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | barisione: done | 13:55 |
| lbt | darn | 13:56 |
| lbt | value #0 already exists | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | I have a window open ;) | 13:56 |
| barisione | hehe | 13:56 |
| barisione | thanks | 13:56 |
| lbt | 'e is too quick | 13:56 |
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| luisbg-pi | lbt, ping | 13:57 |
| lbt | pong | 13:57 |
| luisbg-pi | same as barisione | 13:57 |
| luisbg-pi | Collaboran in need for access to the community obs | 13:57 |
| luisbg-pi | my username in meego.com is luisbg | 13:57 |
| vilvo | we'll start weekly meego-qa-tools meeting at #meego-meeting in 3 minutes. welcome! | 13:57 |
| lbt | hah - I beat X-Fade | 13:58 |
| lbt | vilvo: thanks for the announce | 13:58 |
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| luisbg-pi | lbt, X-Fade, whoever gave me access! Thanks! \o/ | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | at the guinness factory, everybody raised a glass and said cheers with everyone else, if we could make a similar apps which would do same but with phones, we could have a list of everyone we talk to during an evening without messing | 14:10 |
| CosmoHill | hey lcuk | 14:12 |
| lcuk | hi CosmoHill \o | 14:13 |
| * lcuk just reading from ideapad todo list: "make cheers app" | 14:13 | |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=480785&postcount=24 | 14:13 |
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| * lcuk wishes people would not use PM to state the obvious | 14:14 | |
| lcuk | someone just said theres an app already for iphone | 14:14 |
| lcuk | bah humbug | 14:15 |
| oh3-dm8tbr | hmm do we have an current workaround for netbook in virtualbox? I'm seeing meego-power-ico segfault | 14:15 |
| lcuk | has anyone tried to port xcode yet *grin* | 14:15 |
| lcuk | thanks to person who did point it out | 14:15 |
| CosmoHill | that requires an iphone tho | 14:15 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, why | 14:15 |
| lcuk | its code | 14:16 |
| lcuk | :P | 14:16 |
| lcuk | recompile it | 14:16 |
| CosmoHill | i meant the iphone app requires an iphone | 14:16 |
| lcuk | only if compiled using the apple sdk I assume | 14:16 |
| CosmoHill | and it's not what I'd call open source | 14:16 |
| CosmoHill | to make an iphone app you need a mac | 14:16 |
| CosmoHill | also you can't test it on a physical iphone, you can only test it in an emulator | 14:17 |
| lcuk | missing what I mean | 14:17 |
| CosmoHill | most likely | 14:17 |
| lcuk | xcode is a compiler + some libraries to link to | 14:17 |
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| CosmoHill | actually xcode is just an IDE | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | true, well whats the actual description of the compiled toolkit? | 14:18 |
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| * CosmoHill shurgs | 14:19 | |
| CosmoHill | the compiler is gcc if you're interested | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | Using built-in specs. | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | Target: powerpc-apple-darwin9 | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | Configured with: /var/tmp/gcc_42/gcc_42-5577~1/src/configure --disable-checking --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --enable-languages=c,objc,c++,obj-c++ --program-transform-name=/^[cg][^.-]*$/s/$/-4.2/ --with-slibdir=/usr/lib --build=i686-apple-darwin9 --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.0.0 --program-prefix= --host=powerpc-apple-darwin9 --target=powerpc-apple-darwin9 | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | Thread model: posix | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | gcc version 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5577) | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | oops | 14:19 |
| * lcuk giggles | 14:19 | |
| CosmoHill | next time I'll do that int he command line and paste the line I want | 14:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You are so cheerful, it is eerie =) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | RST38h, actually happy this morning :) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | as in happy happy | 14:20 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg | 14:20 |
| lcuk | i found out, I can sorta paint with my fingers :) but I have to use my chalk board writing hand ;) | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: non-oss is for hardware adaptations mostly - ie, where we would put SGX drivers in | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: MeeGo core + handset ux does not compile against non-oss | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: main condition to be there is that the blobs has to be redistributable and i think, royalty-free | 14:22 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: What happened? | 14:25 |
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| mtameni | guys, i'm packaging a lib, i should split package in lib and lib-devel? | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines | 14:29 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Man, you could paint with your fingers for ages, just get some finger paint :) | 14:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Will the lenovo contraption recognize pressure by the way? | 14:30 |
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| mtameni | Stskeeps, thanks | 14:30 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, ona 4" screen its not comfortable | 14:31 |
| lcuk | but on 10" its ok | 14:31 |
| lcuk | idk | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: I guess the key thing would be the proper pressure readings | 14:32 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: N900 never did that rerliably | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, yeah but thats not important really for the pencil notes i take | 14:33 |
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| lcuk | the n900 is great for them, i took loads at the conf :) | 14:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Except that pencil notes are difficult to do with a finger :) | 14:34 |
| lcuk | yup | 14:34 |
| lcuk | chalkboard writing mode required | 14:35 |
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| imonline | Hi everybody! | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hi imonline | 14:38 |
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| imonline | I have a question, don't know if this is the right place | 14:38 |
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| candy | sure it is | 14:38 |
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| imonline | first of all, I can't seem to get my password to register with the community :( | 14:38 |
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| * lbt guesses the question is about gardening | 14:38 | |
| imonline | so I'm still inactive there | 14:38 |
| candy | humm | 14:39 |
| imonline | Is the problem with Sony Vaio W Series (the black screen problem) solved? | 14:39 |
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| candy | you mean your system password | 14:39 |
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| imonline | yup, my password after I signed up! | 14:39 |
| candy | for like the whole comp | 14:40 |
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| candy | I would go into the terminal and type passwd | 14:40 |
| candy | and that should let you set up your password | 14:40 |
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| imonline | naaaah, I meant the website's community password | 14:40 |
| imonline | thanx though | 14:40 |
| candy | oh | 14:41 |
| candy | sorry | 14:41 |
| lbt | candy: I'm with you ; | 14:41 |
| candy | thank you | 14:41 |
| imonline | either way, the problem with the black screen has been solved? | 14:41 |
| candy | thats good | 14:41 |
| imonline | this thread: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=376 | 14:41 |
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| imonline | last post was: Old 08-02-2010, 10:16 AM so it's kinda old I guess | 14:42 |
| candy | wait is meego another distro | 14:42 |
| jonnor | candy: Meego is a distro, sure. | 14:43 |
| candy | I just stumbled a pone this chat room | 14:43 |
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| jonnylamb | lbt: Hi. May I get access to the Meego OBS please? My username is "jonnylamb". | 14:43 |
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| * CosmoHill twitches | 14:44 | |
| CosmoHill | I put < instead of <= and that broke my program | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | and it's taken me forever to figure that out | 14:44 |
| lbt | jonnylamb: sure... | 14:44 |
| Bostik | CosmoHill: been there, done that, got the scars... | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | Bostik: scars? were you programming a robot? | 14:45 |
| lbt | jonnylamb: Collabora right? | 14:45 |
| jonnylamb | lbt: yes | 14:45 |
| lbt | done | 14:45 |
| jonnylamb | Thanks! | 14:45 |
| Bostik | heh, not that bad :) | 14:45 |
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| oh3-dm8tbr | does anyone know where the libglx.so on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox comes from? Couldn't find anything besides that a user Haitao added it to that page. | 14:47 |
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| oh3-dm8tbr | I'd like to try 1.1 netbook in virtualbox but apparently that binary without source doesn't work with that | 14:48 |
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| marnanel | lbt: so I heard something about there also being an OBS for Fremantle. are you the person I have to talk to to get an account on that? | 14:49 |
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| MohammadAG | marnanel, X-Fade should know | 14:51 |
| marnanel | MohammadAG: cheers | 14:51 |
| marnanel | X-Fade: ping | 14:51 |
| poutsi | hey, is it normal for rpms to have effective dependencies on themselves? I'm asking here because this is in a meego environment | 14:52 |
| poutsi | let's say i have package "foo", and saying "zypper if --requires foo" prints e.g. libfoo.so.0 in the requires list | 14:52 |
| poutsi | and then "zypper wp libfoo.so.0" says that it's provided by foo itself | 14:53 |
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| X-Fade | marnanel: pong | 14:53 |
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| X-Fade | And host/vm is not different from dcp view? | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | Lol, that -EWINDOW thing again. | 14:55 |
| marnanel | X-Fade: I was told you might know about how to get an account on the Fremantle OBS | 14:55 |
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| X-Fade | marnanel: Well, it was only an experiment a few months ago. | 14:56 |
| marnanel | X-Fade: oh, sorry; I was hearing rumours that it was a live thing | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | marnanel: It is no where near production ready, really needs some love again. | 14:56 |
| * marnanel nods? well, good luck with it :) | 14:56 | |
| lbt | marnanel: you're not feeling loving then ? | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | marnanel: Well it is live. You can use it, but don't expect your packages to go anywhere. | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | marnanel: And expect the content to be old :) | 14:58 |
| marnanel | lbt: ha, if someone would clone me I could love everything and everyone | 14:58 |
| marnanel | X-Fade: I'd quite like to play | 14:58 |
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| X-Fade | marnanel: pm me with a desired username and email address. | 14:59 |
| lbt | hey Robot101.... if you'd like to arrange a big Collabora list of OBS people that's cool ... would also save the flood of /msgs :) | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | wow my assignments are getting done fast | 15:03 |
| imonline | sorry all again, does anyone know if there's a solution for the MeeGo Installation Black screen problem for Sony Vaio W series? (thanks and sorry) | 15:03 |
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| CosmoHill | imonline: what graphics card do you have? | 15:04 |
| imonline | not sure? | 15:04 |
| imonline | hold on | 15:04 |
| CosmoHill | is there an ATi or Nvidia sticker on the laptop? | 15:04 |
| imonline | either one | 15:04 |
| imonline | hold on please | 15:04 |
| imonline | opening netbook | 15:04 |
| * CosmoHill grabs onto his desk | 15:04 | |
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| imonline | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=376 here's the problem posted, I just don't know if it's solved | 15:05 |
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| CosmoHill | can you google your model number and find out the graphics card? | 15:06 |
| imonline | sure | 15:06 |
| imonline | thanx and w8 | 15:06 |
| imonline | GMA 950 | 15:08 |
| imonline | that's the vga | 15:10 |
| Robot101 | lbt: ask rodarvus to get a list together for you? :) | 15:10 |
| rodarvus | lbt: I'll send you a list :) | 15:11 |
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| lbt | cool | 15:12 |
| rodarvus | lbt: lbt@projects.maemo.org is the email I have, do you prefer another? | 15:12 |
| jonnor | imonline: This is likely a modesetting issue. KMS misbehaves on some hardware, especially if the screen is misreporting the EEID | 15:12 |
| lbt | david@dgreaves.com | 15:12 |
| jonnor | imonline: this is not unique to Meego, work-around might be found online | 15:12 |
| lbt | I'm not even sure the other works | 15:12 |
| jonnor | imonline: but please file a bugreport to make sure this issue is tracked | 15:13 |
| imonline | hi jonnor and thanx for the reply | 15:13 |
| imonline | it is a known issue already in the forums | 15:13 |
| jonnor | (first make sure that the problem has not been reported before) | 15:13 |
| imonline | it is | 15:13 |
| rodarvus | lbt: will use it, thanks! | 15:13 |
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| jonnor | imonline: link? | 15:14 |
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| imonline | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=376 | 15:14 |
| jonnor | Forumposts are not bugreports. | 15:15 |
| Myrtti | oh good grief that forum post is illegible | 15:16 |
| Myrtti | my brain implodes | 15:16 |
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| imonline | so I guess there's no solution, right? | 15:17 |
| jonnor | imonline: there are solutions. | 15:18 |
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| jonnor | First thing to try is to set a correct mode explicitly. | 15:19 |
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| imonline | what exactly do you mean? | 15:20 |
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| jonnor | imonline: to use the video= kernel parameter to specify the mode for the screen | 15:29 |
| jonnor | http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.36/Documentation/fb/modedb.txt | 15:29 |
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| jonnor | Some reports also indicate that disabling SVIDEO output works around these problems | 15:30 |
| jonnor | that would be done with "video=SVIDEO-1:d" | 15:30 |
| imonline | ok, so what should I change over there? | 15:32 |
| jonnor | you can try adding the parameter I qouted there | 15:32 |
| imonline | I have win 7 started already installed | 15:33 |
| imonline | no linux so far | 15:33 |
| jonnor | or use "video=1024x800@60Hz" or similar (you need to find out what values your screen wants) | 15:33 |
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| imonline | so, change the monitor resolution to 1024x768, ok | 15:35 |
| imonline | done that | 15:35 |
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| jonnor | not in Windows, that does not matter | 15:35 |
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| jonnor | you need to modify the "kernel command line" or "grub command line". Search google to find out exactly how to do it | 15:36 |
| jonnor | this needs to be done when starting up Meego | 15:36 |
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| imonline | sorry again, I have NOT installed MeeGo, I got win 7 started and want to install meego, so I get this black screen when trying to install the os. | 15:37 |
| imonline | how can I edit kernel or grub, withou linux already in there? | 15:37 |
| jonnor | the Meego installer is a full Linux system ;) | 15:37 |
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| imonline | which means? I can't do anything :( | 15:38 |
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| jonnor | You will have to learn then | 15:40 |
| imonline | sorry, my question is different | 15:41 |
| imonline | can I access linux through win7? | 15:41 |
| imonline | so you must mean something else, right? | 15:41 |
| jonnor | I mean something else. | 15:41 |
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| jonnor | You need to put in the Meego installer media (the usb stick) | 15:42 |
| jonnor | boot it up | 15:42 |
| imonline | yes, it doesn't! | 15:42 |
| jonnor | in the menu you need to edit the installer entry | 15:42 |
| imonline | that's my problem! | 15:42 |
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| jonnor | You said you get the menu where you can chose between "live" and "install only" | 15:42 |
| jonnor | that is grub, that is where you need to try out the changes. | 15:43 |
| imonline | Boot MeeGo, Installtion only and Boot from local drive | 15:43 |
| imonline | aw, with tab? below that? | 15:43 |
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| jonnor | please do some research on your own, I will not spoonfeed you step by step | 15:44 |
| imonline | you are right, either way I added video=1024x800@60Hz at that line and got same results. thanx though | 15:45 |
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| mortenmj | what's the preferred way to create a meta-package that installs other packages? | 15:47 |
| Ford_Prefect | Is there detailed documentation on YAML syntax anywhere? | 15:48 |
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| Ford_Prefect | For example what strings are valid for "Builder:" | 15:48 |
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| zinit | has anyone else encountered some big dependency issues when trying to install the sdk? I seem to be missing dependencies on most things I try to install | 15:55 |
| zinit | zypper install meego-sdk gives problems with dependencies for meego-sdk-ia32 | 15:55 |
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| zinit | and when trying basic things like wget, vlc, vim... there are dependencies missing there too.. | 15:56 |
| zinit | any ideas? | 15:56 |
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| joejoe | zinit, did you tried community repo? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 | 15:59 |
| Myrtti | is there a collective opinion on would MeeGo run on Dell Inspiron Duo? | 15:59 |
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| zinit | tried that yesterday... no go | 16:02 |
| zinit | going to try it again | 16:03 |
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| zinit | bloody hell... wget is ofcourse not here | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Probably yes | 16:07 |
| slaine | curl is there iirc | 16:07 |
| slaine | curl -O <url> | 16:07 |
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| slaine | soz, should have read back futher | 16:08 |
| CosmoHill | I thougth it was: curl <url> -o outputfile | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: cpu numbering (N550) suggests no Poulsbo | 16:08 |
| slaine | -O uses the filename from the url | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Looks like a Pinetrail SoC | 16:08 |
| slaine | zinit, you might try something like | 16:08 |
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| slaine | sudo zypper install pattern:development-tools | 16:09 |
| slaine | then try installing the meego-sdk | 16:09 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: it does have NM10 or whatever Intel chip in it | 16:09 |
| zinit | tried the solution on the site you linked. no go | 16:11 |
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| zinit | is there a specific command to make your system update the repos? or rebuild the one I deleted? | 16:11 |
| mtameni | my first package compiled by obs :) https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libgrss&project=home%3Anetvandal | 16:13 |
| mtameni | if some one is interest :) | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: That is Pinetrail | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Myrtti:A relatively harmless netbook chipset, in terms of compatibility | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | mtameni: Hehe, compiling against every target you could find? :D | 16:14 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: so getting multitouch to work wouldn't need too much hairpulling and nailchewing? | 16:15 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Got IGD for video | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade | mtameni: Normally it should be enough to build against core. UX repos will include core anyway. | 16:15 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Multitouch is a different business, ask lcuk and javispedro (they have been playing with multitouch on ideapad) | 16:15 |
| Myrtti | ah | 16:15 |
| mtameni | X-Fade, i'm a bit too enthusiast? a ok... i remove the other so :) | 16:16 |
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| mtameni | X-Fade, witch is the difference between core and extras atm? where i can read something about available target? | 16:18 |
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| X-Fade | mtameni: Noting atm as Extras is still empty. | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | mtameni: More on that later I hope :) | 16:19 |
| mtameni | X-Fade, ok, so build only for meego_1.1_core for the moment | 16:21 |
| mtameni | should be enough | 16:21 |
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| X-Fade | mtameni: Yes. It should give you the same package anyway. | 16:22 |
| mtameni | X-Fade, thanks | 16:22 |
| lbt | csw_ocube: can you ask in here please ... | 16:23 |
| timoph | anyone want to build libXp-devel package? openmotif is missing it.. and timidity is missing that.. and flight of the amazon queen is missing that :) | 16:23 |
| csw_ocube | ok | 16:23 |
| csw_ocube | lbt | 16:24 |
| lbt | ah :) | 16:24 |
| lbt | just wondered what you were planning on building there... | 16:24 |
| csw_ocube | I want to get an authority to access ob | 16:24 |
| csw_ocube | yep.. | 16:24 |
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| timoph | lbt: now you know :) | 16:24 |
| csw_ocube | I would like to build a meego to armv6 (s3c6410 board) | 16:25 |
| lbt | OK - sounds interesting | 16:25 |
| csw_ocube | yep | 16:25 |
| lbt | are you talking to Stskeeps ? | 16:25 |
| shiroki | does anyone know how is qt application rotated on meego? does it use the transformed driver or something else? | 16:26 |
| lbt | we have very limited resources right now so I would like to make sure that things like complete rebuilds are co-ordinated | 16:26 |
| csw_ocube | mm Im sorry i don't know its means | 16:26 |
| csw_ocube | stskeeps | 16:26 |
| timoph | I'm trying to play scummvm things with ideapad's touch screen :) | 16:26 |
| lbt | he is the MeeGo arm maintainer | 16:26 |
| lbt | it is his irc name | 16:26 |
| csw_ocube | aha | 16:26 |
| csw_ocube | stskeep? | 16:27 |
| timoph | +s | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: no, n900 maintainer, arm is just a dream :P | 16:27 |
| lbt | so ... the answer is "yes" ... but I'd like you to work with him | 16:27 |
| Myrtti | csw_ocube: have you joined #meego-arm yet? | 16:27 |
| csw_ocube | :p | 16:27 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: if we say it often enough ;) | 16:27 |
| Myrtti | close your eyes and click your heels | 16:28 |
| csw_ocube | currently, I ported ivi on armb6 | 16:28 |
| csw_ocube | not completely | 16:28 |
| lbt | so csw_ocube you are "swcho" | 16:28 |
| csw_ocube | armv6 | 16:28 |
| csw_ocube | yep | 16:28 |
| lbt | done | 16:28 |
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| lbt | this is the *community* OBS ... yes? not core. | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | csw_ocube: what armv6 build of meego did you use? | 16:29 |
| csw_ocube | ah.. no.. i haven't | 16:29 |
| csw_ocube | I am irc beginer | 16:29 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: over to you ;) | 16:29 |
| lbt | oh.... and welcome to #meego csw_ocube :) | 16:30 |
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| shiroki | does anyone know how is qt application rotated on meego? does it use the transformed driver or something else? | 16:30 |
| csw_ocube | ^^ | 16:30 |
| csw_ocube | anyway, can i get it? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | csw_ocube: meego isn't currently built for armv6+vfp | 16:30 |
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| csw_ocube | yep.. i know. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | and it isn't trivial to do a build for it :P | 16:31 |
| csw_ocube | in repo. there is armv5 | 16:31 |
| csw_ocube | meego ivi | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | not anymore, we stopped building it in middle of 1.1 | 16:31 |
| csw_ocube | it is difficult to find it. | 16:31 |
| csw_ocube | yep.. so.. | 16:31 |
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| csw_ocube | but.. | 16:32 |
| csw_ocube | currently we are porting armv6.. | 16:32 |
| lbt | who is "we" ? | 16:32 |
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| csw_ocube | me and my people | 16:32 |
| csw_ocube | s | 16:32 |
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| csw_ocube | we will porting meego to armv7 using beagle | 16:33 |
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| csw_ocube | we will start it when we get beagle. | 16:34 |
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| csw_ocube | but it will take a much time | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what method are you using to port to armv6? | 16:34 |
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| csw_ocube | mm. from repo, i took its ivi armv5 version..(it is rare) | 16:35 |
| Myrtti | #meego-arm, anyone....? | 16:35 |
| csw_ocube | and | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | csw_ocube: let's discuss in the #meego-arm channel :) | 16:36 |
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| csw_ocube | go? | 16:36 |
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| Myrtti | csw_ocube: /join #meego-arm | 16:36 |
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| felipexil | lbt: hi! I would like to have an account in the community OBS | 16:40 |
| felipexil | I want to make a mirror of the MeeGo project (to build my own OBS) | 16:41 |
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| X-Fade | felipexil: Why would you need a community obs account for that? | 16:41 |
| felipexil | I mean, I have installed an OBS instance | 16:41 |
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| felipexil | and I would like to make a mirror to start playing with the OBS system | 16:42 |
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| fcrozat | hmm, I was wondering : where is located the broadcom ethernet module on the meego ideapad image we got. Since I got a atheros version, I don't need it and I'd prefer to not keep a tainted kernel.. | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | felipexil: You can just download all the packages from the repository and import those in your OBS? | 16:43 |
| fcrozat | (but I confess I didn't spend a lot of time searching for it ;) | 16:43 |
| jonnor | felipexil: should be under non-oss somewhere, if there at all | 16:45 |
| felipexil | X-Fade: I am a noob, but I read somewhere that an easy way to start is by cloning a repository | 16:45 |
| felipexil | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112#Mirror | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | felipexil: I try to understand what you are trying to do :) | 16:45 |
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| felipexil | X-Fade: I want to learn about MeeGo (for academic purposes) | 16:46 |
| * CosmoHill is very pleased with his bash script :) | 16:46 | |
| felipexil | and I would like to have my own infrastructure to build the whole system | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | felipexil: Somehow I think you are starting off in the wrong direction ... | 16:46 |
| felipexil | X-Fade: I would like to modify/add low level components | 16:47 |
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| X-Fade | felipexil: Ah, that is already a more concrete goal :) | 16:48 |
| felipexil | :) | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | For that you can do what we have done in community OBS. | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | felipexil: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation | 16:49 |
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| felipexil | X-Fade: I followed the steps in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance | 16:50 |
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| X-Fade | felipexil: For community obs, we don't like with MeeGo core obs. We just download released repositories and import those in our obs. | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | s/like/link/ | 16:50 |
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| X-Fade | You can fetch our project configs through the web interface as that is readable for everybody. | 16:51 |
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| felipexil | X-Fade: ok, I will try that. Thanks! | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | would meego run on: http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/23/asus_eee_note_ea800/ | 17:00 |
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| AstralStorm | Stskeeps: around? | 17:02 |
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| AstralStorm | what's the status of Meego on n810? | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | AstralStorm: rebuilding armv6+vfp still | 17:02 |
| AstralStorm | OpenGL? | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 17:02 |
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| AstralStorm | darn, so it will be slow? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | right now a bit stalled since my server system disk decided to kamikaze, so getting that working first | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | either way, can't run meego without a instruction set port, so | 17:03 |
| AstralStorm | we'll see :) | 17:03 |
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| lcuk | if an application adds an icon to the menu in netbook (for instance) if that application is installed on handset, will the icon appear | 17:05 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, if both of them use the same app folder yes | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG | though that's an obvious answer, but I never looked into the netbook version of MeeGo since... well, I have no atom based netbook | 17:08 |
| luist | hey about garage.. do i need to manually update yum cache or it does it automatically to refresh the packages for the apps? | 17:09 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, that was the question really :) i know between (for example) maemo and ubuntu the icons/menus don't work the same :) with meego it should be, but since nobody had tried building and installing same apps on different uxes.. | 17:09 |
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| Jaffa | bergie: news.meego.com seems broken in terms of CSS (too small) and content on news.meego.com/blogs/ | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Last time I looked there was a special properties file which defined which icons appeared where | 17:12 |
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| bergie | Jaffa: yep, Reggie and Niels also reported that. We'll look at it tomorrow | 17:12 |
| lcuk | ahhh jaffa cool, like the .desktop files then, just meegoised? | 17:13 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit that's two connections I've crashed | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Something like that. Dunno what happens if something's missing. | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Technically, the way Fremantle does it isn't *too* far from the fd.o spec | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 17:22 |
| CosmoHill | hey w00t__ | 17:22 |
| CosmoHill | et lcuk | 17:23 |
| lcuk | the other day tero mentioned on twitter tuxpaint works with 2 finger painting ( which it sort of does) | 17:23 |
| lcuk | but it does the interleaved pattern | 17:23 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: quick! put that cable back! | 17:24 |
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| lcuk | irc runs on wireless now | 17:25 |
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| bart__ | any one here that is able to help me enable wifi on msi wind u135dx with meego 1.1 netbook | 17:36 |
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| bart__ | any one here that is able to help me enable wifi on msi wind u135dx with meego 1.1 netbook | 17:43 |
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| andre__ | bart__: not me, but describing your problem here would be a first step so people can see whether they might be able to help | 17:48 |
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| bart__ | lspci shows my card i just cant fins/ get drivers that work for it its based on the r3090 chipset | 17:49 |
| bart__ | find* | 17:49 |
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| thp | lcuk: well, it quickly switches between the two points, so one could theoretically come up with a fancy mouse handler that detects the two real points (one isn't able to do the same pattern with a mouse or with a single filger) | 18:05 |
| thp | where filger means finger | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | thp, yeah, I already know, I worked out even why boobie test fails too! | 18:06 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20101123_111740.liqsketchedit.scr.png | 18:06 |
| lcuk | (it does not fail on the ideapad, but on large format devices it does) | 18:07 |
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| thp | lcuk: boobie test? | 18:08 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 | 18:08 |
| lcuk | for amusement | 18:08 |
| lcuk | pretty much all the large format panels fail in the same way | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | especially frustating when playing 2 player airhockey on surface games ;) | 18:10 |
| thp | got it :) | 18:11 |
| thp | so the ideapad is affected by this was well? | 18:11 |
| lcuk | nope :) | 18:11 |
| lcuk | i tried it on the windows 7 install that the qt people had at their ovi stand | 18:12 |
| lcuk | obviously in linux we have driver issues of a different sort | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | but thankfully the actual lower level appears to not have the issue :) | 18:12 |
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| thp | so putting win7 (> starter) on it and qt >= 4.7 (??) will allow me to utilize the mt support in qt already? | 18:12 |
| lcuk | idk, i opened paint on it, but I assume so | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | thp, theres a hacker who hangs around maemo and liqbase called merlin1991, he is also in Vienna, I mentioned you and the metalab you go to :) | 18:15 |
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| thiago | seanvk: morning | 18:17 |
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| thp | lcuk: great :) not online right now? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | no,I just said to watch out for you since you know where the meetings might be | 18:19 |
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| CosmoHill | http://xkcd.com/619/ | 18:25 |
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| iekku | hahahah | 18:25 |
| * thiago doesn't even have fullscreen flash, much less smooth | 18:26 | |
| thiago | flash is too stupid to understand Xinerama | 18:26 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm stuck at 360p on youtube | 18:27 |
| CosmoHill | if I want 480p I have to download it and play it via VLC | 18:27 |
| thiago | you can switch to it with that drop-up thing | 18:27 |
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| thiago | then mplayer /tmp/Flash* | 18:27 |
| thiago | who needs full-screen flash when we have full-screen mplayer? :-) | 18:28 |
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| thiago | note: be careful about what /tmp/Flash* left-overs you might have before you use this trick with other people | 18:28 |
| CosmoHill | I mean my laptop isn't able to handle more than 360p on youtube | 18:28 |
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| CosmoHill | that sounded like experience talking there... | 18:29 |
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| lcuk_idea | it doesnt have to be fullscreen video, normal ui will make many happy :P | 18:31 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: yes | 18:32 |
| thiago | slightly embarrassing experience at that | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | only slightly? could have been a lot worse | 18:32 |
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| thiago | yes, it could've | 18:32 |
| thiago | I was very quick at pressing q | 18:33 |
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| CosmoHill | one time I very quickly tugged the HDMI cable out of my laptop | 18:34 |
| CosmoHill | "look at this" "look at what?" NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL | 18:34 |
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| CosmoHill | http://xkcd.com/340/ :) | 18:48 |
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| * qgil wonders what Attachmate thinks about MeeGo, OBS, Netbook UX, even Qt - if anything at this point | 18:58 | |
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| Stskeeps | well, OBS is a opensuse function mostly and the backbone of the suse project, so i'm not worried there | 19:03 |
| pupnik | CPTN holdings has bought 450 million dollars worth of Novell's Intellectual Property (tm) | 19:03 |
| * berndhs still wonders who Attachmate is | 19:03 | |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: they made terminal emulators, so maybe they wanted ncurses patents ;) | 19:04 |
| berndhs | ah yes, a possibility | 19:04 |
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| berndhs | also I see that my irc client doesn't echo CTCP locally | 19:04 |
| berndhs | have to fix that | 19:05 |
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| pupnik | who remembers the stty for that? | 19:06 |
| pupnik | how about the AT command? | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | so, supposing an app has a bug. where would I find out where its bugtracker is so I can report it? (ie not everything is on bmc) | 19:17 |
| lcuk | maemo had the concept of the bugtracker field in the package | 19:18 |
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| luist | hey about garage.. do i need to manually update yum cache or it does it automatically to refresh the packages for the apps? | 19:23 |
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| thp | lcuk: if there is an equivalent of debian/changelog (or just the Maintainer: field), you could write there and ask for the bug tracker | 19:28 |
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| thp | lcuk: which package? | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | xchat, its ok I headed for their homepage and theres already a bug filed there about moblin at the netbook screen resolution | 19:28 |
| lcuk | cnanot save preferences because the button is offscreen | 19:29 |
| lcuk | hi RevdKathy_ | 19:29 |
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| RevdKathy_ | Hi lcuk. Hi everyone | 19:29 |
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| * lcuk curses bug 440 | 19:56 | |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 19:56 |
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| lcuk | hm | 19:58 |
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| RevdKathy_ | Ha! I am on quest to get everyone cursing bug #440 till it's fixed. :p | 19:59 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy_, | 20:00 |
| lcuk | well, I managed to get the UI to *say( its connected to my adhoc network | 20:00 |
| RevdKathy_ | It's all my fault. I know | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | which is more than I was before | 20:00 |
| RevdKathy_ | Mine hangs at 'associating' | 20:00 |
| lcuk | but now no packets are flowing | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | yeah, mine did too until I filled in the addresses | 20:00 |
| lcuk | the adhoc here uses fixed ips and stuff | 20:00 |
| RevdKathy_ | I did that and still got nowhere | 20:01 |
| lcuk | yeah I know the expected addresses of my network | 20:01 |
| RevdKathy_ | It's the top open enhancement request by votes in the project jar | 20:01 |
| lcuk | normally it will be using dhcp, but since thats not allocating things | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | its just bailing out | 20:01 |
| lcuk | its odd tho | 20:01 |
| lcuk | yeah I just voted for it too, I want to maintain an ahdoc network between my handset and netbook whilst out and about | 20:02 |
| lcuk | keep netbook in my bag and send stuff from phone back to it | 20:02 |
| lcuk | bluetooth is too heavy for video :( | 20:02 |
| lcuk | errr video is too heavy for bluetooth | 20:03 |
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| * lcuk also stuck trying to get handset image ontop of the ideapad | 20:04 | |
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| lcuk | err not image, packages | 20:04 |
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| berndhs | anyone know a good channel to whine and complain about telepath-qt4 ? | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, well you could complain all you want, but that package doesn't exist | 20:09 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:09 |
| berndhs | telepathy-qt4 then | 20:09 |
| RevdKathy_ | Do we need a #bitch-and-whine channel? | 20:10 |
| RST38h | We have that already | 20:10 |
| lcuk | you could just have a discussion, check if theres bugs already filed based on that discussion, then follow/file them and watch and see how they get fixed | 20:10 |
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| berndhs | I think i'm just using it wrong | 20:11 |
| * lcuk notices things which arent always bugs | 20:11 | |
| berndhs | i issue a request to get something, and it never comes back | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | tho, my battery saying its being used and is about 0% full (for the whole afternoon) worries me somewhat | 20:11 |
| berndhs | until I close the whole thing, then it comes back failed | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, so this is with actual code use of the library, not with an existing application using it | 20:12 |
| berndhs | yes its with my new code, on 2 different versions of the library, on 2 platforms | 20:12 |
| berndhs | I think i'm doing it wrong because of the 2 platforms with the same bad result | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | ok, is the code small and encapsulated | 20:13 |
| lcuk | or buried inside your bigger system? | 20:13 |
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| berndhs | its just an experiment, coupld hundred lines maybe | 20:13 |
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| jonnor | berndhs: contact info is stated in the README | 20:14 |
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| jonnor | http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=telepathy-qt4.git;a=blob;f=README;h=91adc334884d2dd7031502e302e7a1a9f4563a08;hb=refs/heads/master | 20:14 |
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| berndhs | hmm | 20:16 |
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| robtaylor | qgil: hey, I was wondering, could we get a mailing list created for the Context Framework and context discussions? | 20:19 |
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| robtaylor | qgil: we managed to get a bunch of relevent people together at the conference and it'd be good to enable the discussion to continue in the open | 20:19 |
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| qgil | hi robtaylor , Dawn is the listmaster , please wait a week until she is back from holidays | 20:21 |
| robtaylor | qgil: awesome, thanks for the pointer :) | 20:22 |
| qgil | robtaylor: youn know, the US is busy this week giving thanks to each other ;) | 20:22 |
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| robtaylor | qgil: hah, 'thanks for killing all the indians' ;) | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | robtaylor: file a bug under community infrastructure + lists.meego.com , on bugs.meego.com | 20:23 |
| robtaylor | qgil: do you have turkey-related plans or are you still over in europe? | 20:23 |
| robtaylor | Stskeeps: ah, cool. Might be good if that info could make it onto a wiki page! | 20:24 |
| robtaylor | Stskeeps: ah, it is, just not an obvious one :) | 20:24 |
| robtaylor | Stskeeps: well, kind of http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines#Requesting_a_New_Mailing_List | 20:25 |
| qgil | I'm back. Turkey in Catalan is called "Gall Dindi" = "Cock from Indians". The aftermath continues | 20:26 |
| robtaylor | qgil: hah! awesome =) | 20:26 |
| robtaylor | righty, anyhoo, all sounds doable. Time for me to go catch a train... | 20:27 |
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| qgil | robtaylor: my last sensible chat in Dublin was with aruiz (really late at night) - best wishes for your projects! | 20:27 |
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| thebootroo_ | tripzero: ping ! | 20:29 |
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| tripzero | hi thebootroo_ | 20:29 |
| thebootroo_ | i tripzero | 20:29 |
| thebootroo_ | sry for the time you waited at me the other dsay | 20:30 |
| thebootroo_ | *day | 20:30 |
| thebootroo_ | i still need help for using libconnman-qt in a plain Qt project | 20:30 |
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| thebootroo_ | i'm downloading the lastest trunk from gitorious | 20:32 |
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| thebootroo_ | tripzero: there ? | 20:37 |
| thebootroo_ | ok downloaded the lib | 20:37 |
| thebootroo_ | NetworkListModel * theNetworksModel = new NetworkListModel(this); | 20:38 |
| tripzero | yeah, i'm here | 20:38 |
| thebootroo_ | i don't understand the fonctionning of the lib | 20:40 |
| thebootroo_ | in my window i do the following | 20:40 |
| thebootroo_ | new NetworkListModel | 20:40 |
| thebootroo_ | qDebug() << "Before" | 20:40 |
| thebootroo_ | mylist->setModel(theModel) | 20:40 |
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| thebootroo_ | qDebug() << "After" | 20:41 |
| thebootroo_ | and in the debug i have : | 20:41 |
| thebootroo_ | before | 20:41 |
| thebootroo_ | after | 20:41 |
| thebootroo_ | and then a bunch of debug from the lib | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | thebootroo_, if you actually end up looking in connman yourself and notice a reason why adhoc networks arent functioning, ping people ;) | 20:42 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: wut ? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | did you file a bug against the component? | 20:43 |
| lcuk | you were in the other night and had a test case | 20:43 |
| lcuk | was it filed? | 20:43 |
| thebootroo_ | luck: not sure its a bug | 20:43 |
| tripzero | thebootroo_, the lib needs a bit of love. for one, it doesn't support the default listmodel roles. | 20:43 |
| tripzero | thebootroo_, my suggestion is to file a bug against it, tar up your source and attach it to the bug | 20:44 |
| tripzero | then I can test and make it work with your src | 20:44 |
| thebootroo_ | my quick solution is using a part of the lib source and recode the rest myself without model because i need only a few qstringlist in response | 20:45 |
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| thebootroo_ | tripzero: you say the lib doesn't support model, so why do it use a model ? | 20:46 |
| tripzero | it is a list model | 20:46 |
| thebootroo_ | can i have a simple using like QStringList availableTechnologies(); | 20:46 |
| tripzero | it just doesn't support the roles that QWidget things expect | 20:46 |
| thebootroo_ | QString currentTechnology() | 20:47 |
| tripzero | yes, those should work | 20:47 |
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| mortenmj | hm. i'm building a package that has a pkg-config file. i can't build because of this file, so i put it in a -devel package (only file in the package). now i get an error because the base package is noarch, and pkg-config packages can't be in noarch packages. what should i do here? | 20:47 |
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| mortenmj | is it possible the base package to be noarch but the devel package use the obs defaults? | 20:49 |
| mortenmj | for the* | 20:49 |
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| lbt | kaushik: we can talk in here... | 21:40 |
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| kaushik | How can I get access to OBS? | 21:43 |
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| kaushik | lbt: | 21:44 |
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| kaushik | how can i get access to obs? | 21:44 |
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| lbt | hey kaushik.... so.. what are you planning to use it for ? | 21:44 |
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| kaushik | I want to use it for our project | 21:45 |
| lbt | which one? | 21:45 |
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| kaushik | We are a company and we are trying to port meego on atom hardware | 21:45 |
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| kaushik | and make some changes to middlelayer and UI framework | 21:46 |
| kaushik | on our own | 21:46 |
| lbt | is that all opensource ? | 21:46 |
| * CosmoHill growls at MPI for leakign | 21:47 | |
| kaushik | not all of them ... the code that we put in might not be opensource ... need to confirm that from superiors | 21:47 |
| lbt | OK ... you can ONLY do opensource on the community OBS | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | kaushik: if you deal with closed source, set up your own OBS - it's simple, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 21:47 |
| Bostik | kaushik: why don't you set up your private OBS then? | 21:47 |
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| kaushik | Stskeeps and Bostik : thanks for your suggestion. | 21:48 |
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| lbt | well, it seems sensible for the open parts to be done on the community OBS | 21:48 |
| kaushik | I will do that | 21:48 |
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| jgrr_ | hi, can I ask a stupid question? :) | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | shoot | 21:49 |
| lbt | no unless you googled it first | 21:49 |
| lbt | don't shoot him yet Stskeeps | 21:49 |
| berndhs | shoot him after he asks, yeah | 21:49 |
| jgrr_ | my meego conference laptop stopped recognizing any wireless routers | 21:50 |
| jgrr_ | I can't switch on the bluetooth either for some reason | 21:50 |
| lbt | did you know it has a physical wifi switch | 21:50 |
| jgrr_ | just recently, but it seems to be on | 21:50 |
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| kaushik | is there anyone knows about logging messages on Meego? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | kaushik: install sysklogd and friends, i think | 21:51 |
| kaushik | Thanks .. | 21:51 |
| jgrr_ | I think I pressed the hotkey Fn+F5 at some point but now that I press it again it won't do anything | 21:52 |
| lbt | I've seen something about windows drivers .... do you dual boot ? | 21:52 |
| jgrr_ | no, I destroyed my windows partition :) | 21:52 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad | 21:52 |
| lbt | good ;) | 21:53 |
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| jgrr_ | lbt: ok, seems like the same problem, I also had issues with displaying the battery status | 21:57 |
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| GAN900 | jgrr_, fiferboy's wireless died on reboot at the conf | 21:59 |
| GAN900 | Evidently a few had bad wireless. | 21:59 |
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| fiferboy | jgrr_: Check this: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13321 | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | Depending on whether it is broadcom or athereos, but apparently there is a work around for either | 22:01 |
| jgrr_ | fiferboy, I have broadcom | 22:01 |
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| jgrr_ | anyway now I know where the problem is, time to get creative | 22:02 |
| jgrr_ | thank you | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | jgrr_: That looks like the harder one that requires a windows install to turn it back on | 22:02 |
| lcuk | how do you tell the difference? | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: lspci will list the device | 22:02 |
| jgrr_ | let's see about that :) | 22:03 |
| lcuk | awesome, cool beans | 22:03 |
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| fiferboy | jgrr_: It looks like there is a kernel update that fixes the issue, so maybe you could dual-boot with Ubuntu instead of Windows to fix it | 22:04 |
| lcuk | confused at issue | 22:04 |
| * lcuk files bugs about the ux instead | 22:04 | |
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| * CosmoHill stabs the freaking cluster | 22:05 | |
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| CosmoHill | ssh connection cuts out when I dump a load of output to the screen | 22:06 |
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| jgrr_ | reporting back, BIOS reset works also for broadcom | 22:07 |
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| fiferboy | jgrr_: What did you do in BIOS? Turn off wifi and then turn it back on? | 22:08 |
| jgrr_ | just "load factory defaults" and "save and exit" | 22:08 |
| fiferboy | Because I made usre wifi was enabled in BIOS for my dead athereos | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | jgrr_: Probably a good thing to add to the wiki page | 22:09 |
| lcuk | whats dead about it ? | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: It isn't dead anymore, but my first netbook lost wifi abilities after reboot | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | The Intel guys just replaced it, saying there were a couple problems like that | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | how odd | 22:10 |
| jgrr_ | fiferboy, will do (if I find it again) | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | the only DOA machine spotted I believe was texrats :P | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | and that was only DOA because of the lockswitch :P | 22:11 |
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| slaine | lcuk: that got me too | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | slaine, but texrat has a run of bad luck with devices previously so was concerned lol | 22:13 |
| slaine | hehe | 22:14 |
| slaine | ETOOMANYSWITCHES | 22:14 |
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| jgrr_ | put this to wiki now, next time I'll google less and come here sooner :) | 22:17 |
| jgrr_ | but thanks guys | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | o2 offered me home broadband for cheaper the other day :) | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, do you have a netbook at your place? | 22:34 |
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| pupnik | yes, a broken psion and a broken acer aspire one | 22:37 |
| rob_w | dont break all you things, kid | 22:37 |
| lcuk | do you know which music modtracker type software might be buildable for meego? i have seen a few in the last week but I cannot find the links at all | 22:38 |
| pupnik | milkytracker perhaps | 22:38 |
| pupnik | search t.m.o for the two trackers i built for n900 | 22:39 |
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| lcuk_idea | pupnik, will have a look, this was thinking on the larger scale, n900 is awesome for actual instrument (onedotzero and all the shakey twangy stuff) but the large device is better for composing and laying out the results | 22:41 |
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| lcuk_idea | its a bit fruitless tho if adhoc networking isnt allowed. hard to setup a jamming session if infrastructure only is the only method | 22:45 |
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| lcuk_idea | pupnik, i guess with the extra horsepower on the netbooks the data from the handhelds around could be mixed into an awesome group recording in realtime | 22:45 |
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| pupnik | lcuk_idea: there definitely should be some collaborative music-making displayed for meego | 22:48 |
| pupnik | but no, no .mod trackers | 22:48 |
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| lcuk_idea | ok fair enough :) | 22:48 |
| * lcuk_idea ponders writing a spec out | 22:48 | |
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| pupnik | what is the right way to do multiple ad-hoc connections in 2011 and 2012? | 22:51 |
| kaushik | is it necessary to have 90 GB space for local obs setup? | 22:51 |
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| lcuk_idea | pupnik, multiple? | 22:51 |
| lcuk_idea | and at the moment, meego netbook has a bug | 22:51 |
| pupnik | yes lcuk_idea - more than one | 22:51 |
| lcuk_idea | it might actually be core | 22:51 |
| lcuk_idea | hmm | 22:51 |
| leinir | i would really like to see something like a Tenori-On for meego... | 22:51 |
| lcuk_idea | pupnik, you make an adhoc network | 22:51 |
| lcuk_idea | then can connect to all the machines on the same network | 22:52 |
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| lcuk_idea | just like regular networking | 22:52 |
| pupnik | that's doable with one wlan card per device? | 22:52 |
| lcuk_idea | yes | 22:52 |
| kaushik | is it necessary to have 90 GB space for local obs setup? | 22:52 |
| lcuk_idea | i spent a good part of the year with all my n900s connected together and used adhoc often whilst travelliung | 22:52 |
| lcuk_idea | kaushik, 90gb | 22:52 |
| lcuk_idea | ???? | 22:52 |
| lcuk_idea | but possibly | 22:52 |
| lcuk_idea | for a full complete OBS perhaps | 22:53 |
| lcuk_idea | but for OCS which is the local client for obs | 22:53 |
| lcuk_idea | the footprint is less and actually is just to the dependencies you request | 22:53 |
| kaushik | it says so on wiki | 22:53 |
| lcuk_idea | full OBS builds for MANY MANY arches and OSes | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | space is always good - you need 5gb per meego release | 22:54 |
| kaushik | ok ... | 22:54 |
| kaushik | makes sense | 22:54 |
| kaushik | thanks | 22:54 |
| lcuk_idea | eek | 22:54 |
| lcuk_idea | thats a lot anyway Stskeeps! | 22:54 |
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| leinir | The sort of stuff you can do with a tenori-on: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1775408 | 22:55 |
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| leinir | lcuk_idea and pupnik ^ that was related to your talk about music, by the way, in case that wasn't quite clear ;) | 22:56 |
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| lcuk_idea | Stskeeps, on second thoughts | 22:57 |
| lcuk_idea | that 5gb doesnt sound all that unappealing | 22:57 |
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| lcuk_idea | how large is a full binary completed build then from that source | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | that's binary packages alone | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:57 |
| lcuk_idea | Stskeeps, but the download for n900 fits on a 2gb stick you say | 22:58 |
| lcuk_idea | either I am going senile or theres some difference | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes, because not all stuff in a meego release goes into a image | 22:58 |
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| lcuk_idea | what is stripped? | 22:59 |
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| Stskeeps | fair bunch of stuff, including docs | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | is the same stripping occuring for netbook also, or is that easier and not so troublesome size wise? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | also, you don't need -devel packages and other crap on a device | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:01 |
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| Stskeeps | at least, initially | 23:01 |
| lcuk_idea | its entirely possible tho :) but the 5gb goes into the repo after being split up | 23:02 |
| lbt | all the dev and dbg packages are not in an image | 23:02 |
| lbt | and tools | 23:02 |
| lbt | we *really* need a better mechanism to distribute images | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's called mirrors.kernel.org | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 23:03 |
| lcuk | lbt I was being told this by a wise debian developer | 23:03 |
| lcuk | gnite carsten \o | 23:03 |
| lbt | 'night | 23:04 |
| lcuk | how much io would it consume to actively build images on download time | 23:04 |
| lcuk | to not require storing them | 23:04 |
| lcuk | or are they heavily compressed etc | 23:04 |
| lcuk | or is this the whole .ks thing | 23:04 |
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| lbt | apparently it's a user problem | 23:05 |
| lcuk | reasonable, we users sometimes need teaching | 23:05 |
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| lbt | the image is something like an iso image with 2 squashfs inside. in the big squashfs is an ext3 img | 23:07 |
| robtaylor | qgil: thanks! | 23:07 |
| lcuk_idea | lbt, ok, are squashfs actually compressed as the name implies? | 23:08 |
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| lcuk_idea | hey robtaylor \o | 23:08 |
| lbt | they are .... | 23:08 |
| mortenmj | does the camera trigger any sort of observeable event in software when you take a picture on e.g. a n900? | 23:09 |
| lbt | use the dbus-monitor | 23:09 |
| lcuk_idea | mortenmj, which os, i haven't seen the camera working on meego handset yet | 23:09 |
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| mortenmj | it broadcasts on dbus? splendid | 23:09 |
| lbt | oh good point ;) | 23:09 |
| lcuk_idea | in n900 I just use an INotify | 23:10 |
| mortenmj | ugh. inotify makes me sleep poorly at night | 23:10 |
| lcuk_idea | yeah its the bane of many peoples lives | 23:10 |
| lcuk_idea | but in absence of better methods :P (if the dbus were there, I believe lardman would have hooked to it with the barcode | 23:11 |
| mortenmj | well, i'll take lbt's word when he says it broadcasts on dbus | 23:11 |
| mortenmj | and if he's wrong, i'll submit a request that it start doing just that | 23:11 |
| lcuk_idea | sounds like a good plan | 23:12 |
| lbt | heh... | 23:12 |
| lcuk | lbt, so whats the rest of the user problem portion | 23:13 |
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| lbt | lcuk: finding a reliable way to distribute the images as not a blob | 23:18 |
| lbt | we (well, adam and stephano) had a go at xdelta at the conference | 23:19 |
| lbt | but the nesting of all the images means it won't work | 23:19 |
| lcuk | lbt, lbt now, are you talking about it from a flash image perspective or an incremental update? | 23:19 |
| lbt | both | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | ok, so someone has an image already (lets say 1.1.80) | 23:20 |
| lbt | users need a flash image and we need to save bandwidth sending out all the invrementals | 23:20 |
| lcuk | and they now want the latest | 23:20 |
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| lbt | yup | 23:20 |
| lcuk | are we pushing specific known version filename/md5 sum of thir currently available image up? | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ie, are we expecting an app on the client side to handle/manage this | 23:21 |
| lbt | that would need multi-platform support too | 23:22 |
| lbt | it's a non-trivial problem | 23:22 |
| lcuk | the multiplatform part at least should be least of issues | 23:22 |
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| lbt | and actually... Stskeeps is kinda right ... but the 'complaint' comes from mirrors.kernel.org | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | ok, so this is also in a way related to what we have discussed in the past | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | is this essentially what OCS does? | 23:24 |
| lbt | ocs? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | err the local obs client thing | 23:24 |
| lbt | osc | 23:24 |
| lbt | no | 23:24 |
| lcuk | apologies | 23:24 |
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| lbt | ocs is open collaboration services... also at meegoconf | 23:25 |
| lcuk | lbt, but doesn't the osc download all the dependencies required | 23:25 |
| lbt | yep... but mic won't run locally | 23:25 |
| lcuk | lbt, yeah easy typo | 23:25 |
| lbt | and they need the img | 23:25 |
| lcuk | why wouldn't mic run locally? | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | is it technical or limited to specific OS itself | 23:26 |
| lbt | bbias | 23:26 |
| lcuk | gk | 23:26 |
| CosmoHill | either I've missed out a zero or my laptop is faster than the uni cluster | 23:27 |
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| gabrbedd | whois x-fade | 23:30 |
| gabrbedd | doh! | 23:30 |
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| lbt | mic needs to make btrfs loopback iirc | 23:35 |
| lcuk | ahh | 23:35 |
| lcuk | btrfs causes issues in my ubuntu atm ;) | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | lbt, its a shame it wasn't able to pack up an image from source files | 23:36 |
| lcuk | errr source files in that context == binaries | 23:37 |
| lbt | yup... userspace btrfs generator | 23:37 |
| lcuk | but to just build it without needing os level drivers | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | lbt, or do the packages need installing into the image itself | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | (different to binary copy into place) | 23:39 |
| lbt | correct | 23:39 |
| lcuk | bleugh :P | 23:39 |
| lbt | yeah | 23:39 |
| lcuk | that was also the same in other places too. even scratchbox has similar I believe when installing | 23:40 |
| lcuk | ie, it doesnt give images, it just rootstraps then installs things into it | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | meego conference? http://xkcd.com/364/ | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | lol CosmoHill | 23:42 |
| lcuk | hmm lbt that is complex indeed | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | I have to vanish, but will talk more about it soon | 23:43 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: lol | 23:43 |
| lbt | o/ | 23:43 |
| lcuk | and lbt, thanks :) | 23:44 |
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