IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2010-11-21

lcuksivang, talk to texrat00:00
lcukhe is musical and had similar idea00:00
tybolltanyway what struck me about meego, regardless of the current state of things (all projects at broken in the beginining I guess) is that it's not very sharp, glossy, posh. Something I thought maemo did surprisingly well00:00
thiago_homesivang: ok, I can talk to amy about that :-)00:00
GAN900thiago_home, Sunday night we were chatting with Quim, he askes me "So, Ryan, what's your outlooking on MeeGo these days?"00:00
sivanglcuk: already did00:00
lcukbut they must be digital meego instruments00:00
sivangthiago_home: great :)00:00
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lcuki spoke to karoliina about it00:00
GAN900*deep breath* "Well--"00:00
thiago_homesivang: though "form a band" is dawn's territory :-)00:00
tybolltGAN900: I actually meant the handset UX00:00
lcukand jussi has an interest always00:00
sivangthiago_home: hehe00:00
GAN900and Quim says "Excuse me" and runs off to talk to Amy.00:00
ShadowJKrofl00:00
GAN900tybollt, unusable on my N900.00:00
thiago_homeGAN900: :-)00:00
sivangthiago_home: was great to be meeting you eventually, and to see how hard you tried to listen to people and guide through00:01
thiago_homeGAN900: I think I used that excuse myself too00:01
sivangthiago_home: thank you00:01
CygokuHow do I install Brasero for Meego under my Netbook ??00:01
CygokuHow do I install Brasero for Meego under my Netbook ??00:01
tybolltGAN900: it started on mine..00:01
tybolltnot much more but :)00:01
thiago_homeCygoku: stop asking. There's no Brasero in MeeGo.00:01
thiago_homeGAN900: don't remember who I was talking to, but I did switch conversations to talk to Amy00:01
CygokuWell, if I insert a blank dvd it says to Install Brasero.00:01
CygokuAnd there is none ??00:01
thiago_homeCygoku: no, there isn't00:02
CygokuAnd Meego is distributated at large ??00:02
thiago_homeCygoku: yes00:02
CygokuThen how can I burn a cd ??00:02
thiago_homeCygoku: you can't. There are no programs to do that.00:02
thiago_homeMeeGo doesn't package all applications.00:02
sivangCygoku: you can try with epel or so00:02
DocScrutinizerGAN900: X-P00:02
sivangCygoku: enable it and attempt installation, but not sure about deps00:02
nialazypper install brasero00:03
sivangniala: thanks for the reply00:03
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timeless_mbparfoll: well, his slides are shiny00:03
timeless_mbpvery shiny00:04
nialasivang:  it was the good reply ?00:04
sivangniala: yes, I was just wondering about the 64bitness of this specific netbook, hence replied on the ML00:05
GAN900thiago_home, the next time I talked to Quim it was when he asked me if I had a battery in my camera at the football reception while I was taking a picture of fiferboy's Guinness.00:05
sivangniala: but I guess that's already there by the arch detection through zypper?00:05
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GAN900To which I responded "Yes" and he ran off with his armfull of batteries.00:05
thiago_homeGAN900: what did you answer, "no, I'm just playing with an unpowered camera" ? :-)00:05
GAN900thiago_home, apparently it's what he thought, because I got to keep my battery.00:06
thiago_homehe wasn't taking batteries00:06
thiago_homehe was giving them back00:06
GAN900Ah00:06
tybolltSeriously00:06
GAN900Who took them?00:06
thiago_homethe stadium people were taking them00:06
nialasivang:  there is no 64 specificaly00:06
GAN900Ah, interesting.00:07
thiago_homeimage rights for the match00:07
sivangniala: ok, thanks00:07
tybolltshould we settle for an UX in the new OS that looks and feels WORSE than what we currently have? I'm very very sceptical00:07
GAN900Was a bit strange00:07
DocScrutinizerLOL00:07
sivangtimeless_mbp: which slides?00:07
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GAN900You just can't have lenses longer than 12" in stadiums here.00:07
tybolltdid nokia fire the graphics guys from maemo?00:07
GAN900Otherwise they don't care.00:07
GAN900How did Quim manage to negotiate rights for Conf attendees?00:08
DocScrutinizerhow did they treat iPhones?00:08
thiago_homeiphones have really bad cameras00:08
lcukdropped them accidentally into beer and replaced with n900s00:08
thiago_homethey let the N8s in, so why would they restrict iphones?00:08
DocScrutinizerI heard it's not exactly easy to remove battery on these critters00:08
DocScrutinizerlcuk: :-)00:09
thiago_homeand it's about cameras with good zoom00:09
GAN900Got a video of the MeeGo advert during the game.00:09
DocScrutinizeraah00:09
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tybolltGAN900: URL?00:09
sivangthiago_home: N8 has one of the best cameras a phone has on the market, affectionatly referred to a "camera with a phone"00:09
lcukGAN900, the meego football UX was simply awesome00:09
sivanglcuk: indeed, I was excited to see it every time00:10
thiago_homesivang: the best camera a phone has on the market00:10
thiago_homefor now, at least00:10
GAN900tybollt, will upload it tonight.00:10
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sivangthiago_home: yes, beats some proper cameras that are not providing phone functionality00:11
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lcukI would strongly dislike using an EOS camera as a phone00:11
timeless_mbpwow00:11
timeless_mbpso um..00:11
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timeless_mbpdid anyone else save their ideapad windows install?00:11
DocScrutinizerlcuk: LOL00:12
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* timeless_mbp is impressed by their note thingy00:12
timeless_mbpit lets you scribble, record audio, record video00:12
timeless_mbpand combine them on a desktop like surface00:12
timeless_mbpvery finger friendly00:12
sivangtimeless_mbp: I wanted to, but, well got swapped in anti-w excitment after I reazlied I can use the license on other machines perhaps00:13
sivang;)00:13
timeless_mbpr00:13
GAN900Don't they have an Android phone now that's basically a point'n'shoot with a phone addon?00:13
timeless_mbpthe license, sure00:13
timeless_mbpbut getting the lenovo software would probably be harder00:13
smokuhow do I import a package from one OBS to another?00:13
timeless_mbpGAN900: probably00:13
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: I saved my W7 Starter on some DVD-ROM's, but it's not on the hard drive.00:13
GAN900Windows 7 Starter!00:13
sivangtimeless_mbp: intel people did not look at me nicely when I told them I want to resize and keep windows, noting the prtitioner is broken in that repsect00:13
timeless_mbpheh00:14
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: hrm, how'd you manage that?00:14
sivang:)00:14
timeless_mbpmy idea pad was missing the dvd burner00:14
timeless_mbpthat's what i wanted to do00:14
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: purchased an external DVD burner.00:14
sivangthere's an idea pad with a dvd burner?00:14
gabrbeddneeded one anyway.00:14
timeless_mbp*just* for this?00:14
timeless_mbpwow00:14
GAN900sivang, think I got a good picture of your unboxing.00:15
gabrbeddNo, not *just* for this... but when doing lots of work with netbooks/tablets -- it's the easy way out of a lot of tight spots.00:15
sivangGAN900: ohh nice :)00:15
lcukGAN900, add to the flickr group perhaps?00:15
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sivangI have some N900 photos as well00:15
GAN900lcuk, just dumped the camera this morning00:15
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sivangI will add eventually to flicker group00:15
GAN900Need to post before I upload.00:15
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lcukGAN900, :( why, I thought you liked it00:16
pupnikwhen doing a lot of work with tablets, spare batteries in pocket makes long life00:16
sivangGAN900: ah, not I realize who you are :)00:16
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: indeed00:16
GAN900Got lots of photos of the conf. Not nearly enough of Dublin. :(00:16
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: i was hoping to find a virtual dvd burner00:16
* GAN900 wasn't comfortable flashing super camera around on the streets.00:16
timeless_mbpbut i kept searching and searching...00:16
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gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: LOL.00:16
GAN900sivang, pfft.00:16
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: there are virtual readers....00:16
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: but for me, it was worth the $50 bucks.00:16
timeless_mbpyou picked it up state-side?00:17
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: Now that I remember, Lenovo's system restore software sucked really bad....00:17
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: and I had to put them on CD-R's.00:17
timeless_mbp17?00:17
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: A BUNCH of CD-R's.00:17
sivangGAN900: well, I couldn't find time to actualy go around the streets enough, I almost missed flight back for being too relaxed on thursday taking a tour bus trip00:17
timeless_mbpiirc that's what it asked for00:17
GAN900sivang, after Dawn's fist community talk, a group of us went upstairs and were chatting. timsamoff asked "So, does anybody know who that GAN900 person was?"00:17
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: Yeah, I think 17.00:17
sivangGAN900: heh, oh btw, s/not/now/00:17
GAN900sivang, hehe00:17
timeless_mbpGAN900: heh00:17
GAN900sivang, either way. ;)00:18
sivangGAN900: it was nice meeting finally, even for an friction00:18
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: sorry, i can't believe you actually went the CDR path00:18
timeless_mbpthat's *insane* :)00:18
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gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: (1) didn't want to just delete W700:18
GAN900sivang, far too many people I didn't meet, and more who I didn't get to talk to nearly long enough.00:18
sivangGAN900: were you at some point involved with Ubuntu ? I thought I remembered you from one of the UDSs00:18
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gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: (2) knew I might screw up one day... and delete the hdd00:19
GAN900sivang, nope.00:19
sivangGAN900: same, too much people00:19
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: can't argue w/ (1) -- i still haven't :)00:19
lcukOMG another GAN clone00:19
lcukthats the 4th this month00:19
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: (3) Tried like 5 times with DVD and their software kept failing.00:19
timeless_mbpthat's scary00:19
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GAN900sivang, all of those damn OEMs filling up all the room.00:19
smokuBTW, how did you managed to charge your ideapads using this uk plug that was included? :>00:19
thiago_homesmoku: with plug adaptors00:19
sivangGAN900: heh, noted00:19
arfollsmoku, easy in an english plug00:19
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: (4) tired of wasting time and gave the CDR's a shot.  Worked.  Done.  Case closed.  :-)00:19
GAN900lcuk, got one of you unboxing, too.00:20
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lcuk:D awesome00:20
lcukmeta pic of me taking a photo of my unboxing?00:20
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: which flavor did you burn?00:20
timeless_mbpi'm assuming that was the official restore00:20
timeless_mbpinstead of the backup flavors00:20
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: Yeah.  The official, I think.00:20
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sivanggabrbedd: t43 had the same backup. tedious, annoying00:21
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: since you've done it, could i convince you to make iso's and let me slurp?00:21
GAN900lcuk, don't recall00:21
* timeless_mbp would vaguely like to skip hunting for a burner and wasting 17 blanks00:21
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lcuktimeless_mbp, hm00:21
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: Sorry, but no. :-)  Not only is it illegal... but would take too much time to set up.00:21
GAN900I was setting up my Lenovo, and realized "Oh shit, I'm sitting in a sea of Maemo people with new laptops. *snap snap snap*00:22
w00tGAN900: hmm?00:22
timeless_mbpgabrbedd: hrm, in this case i was hoping people would claim it isn't illegal00:22
timeless_mbpsince we each know we have a license00:22
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timeless_mbpbut no matter00:22
* timeless_mbp will have to find some usb stick w/ decent partitioning support00:23
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sivangGAN900: reading about apple's process was interesting (I posted a link before) I wonder if we could do something like this in a bit of crowd sourced fashion.00:23
lcuktimeless_mbp, technically you can request restore disks from lenovo can't you?00:23
gabrbeddtimeless_mbp: According to Microsoft's EULA... I can't even let my kids look at it without the express writeen consent of Major League Baseball.00:23
andybleadensivang, in what way?00:23
andybleadenlcuk, you want to put windows back on a lenovo?00:24
timeless_mbplcuk: dunno, someone thought you'd have to pay for the priv00:24
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gabrbeddlcuk, timeless_mbp: I think you can... and I think they charge for them.00:24
lcuknot at all andybleaden00:24
lcukI was just mentioning00:24
* lcuk will work through the meego netbook issues and get handset working on it etc00:24
sivangandybleaden: have you read the document I linked earlier this evening?00:24
andybleadenlcuk, good job too.took windows off of too many lenovo00:25
lcuksome folks will be happy to just iron out netbook, others will push more for handset and thats cool :)00:25
sivangI'm also going to get the MTF onto it for vkeyboard and good stuff00:25
sivang:)00:25
marnanelUI question.  When you have an app which is maximised so you can't see the MeeGo taskbar with the icons on it you can press Super (/Windows) to get the taskbar back.  Is there anything you can do with the pointer to get the taskbar back in that situation?00:25
andybleadensivang, not yetonly just come on xchat00:25
GAN900w00t, what hmm?00:25
sivangandybleaden: just hover the pointer to the top part of the screen00:25
sivangerr00:26
w00tmarnanel: try hit y=0 repeatedly until you get a toolbar00:26
sivangmarnanel: ^00:26
w00t(and try to not hit anything else)00:26
andybleadensivang, can you repost link00:26
marnanelaha.  will try.  thanks00:26
lcuksivang, "hover pointer"00:26
lcuknot practical00:26
w00t(also, hello marnanel!)00:26
marnanelw00t: hello :)00:26
lcukautohide toolbars are the devil in touch ui00:26
sivanglcuk: sincea touch interface?00:26
* marnanel goes to cook dinner00:26
lcukwithout some nobble (like maemo) to open it and a lock button to keep it there ;)00:26
sivanglcuk: ah, oka00:26
lcuksivang, you cant realistically/happily open the meego top bar in tablet mode00:27
lcukbecause it needs cursor at y=000:27
lcukwhich is tough with a bezel00:27
sivangandybleaden: http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/publications/magazine/6/4/you_cant_innovate_like_apple00:27
sivanglcuk: ok00:27
lcukbiggest missing feature whilst doing stuff on netbook00:27
w00tlcuk: i maintain it's the devil even without a touch ui00:27
lcukmissing clock00:27
w00tit's confusing to have key ui elements vanish00:28
lcukyes00:28
sivanglcuk: I've been using both touch and keyboard(touchpad) so had no issue in hovering pointer00:28
lcukthe nice one is on the app list/launcher, you have to try and guess where the pin to favorites icon will be when you tap00:28
andybleadensivang, cheers.will have a look00:28
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thebootrooi agree : no autohide in meego handset plz00:28
sivangandybleaden: great00:29
lcuksivang, if you are using it in laptop mode, then the topbar is less useful to you00:29
andybleadenlcuk, it is hard enough with the touchpad and tongue stuck out!00:29
lcukit should be on the bottom so that it becomes an extension row of keys00:29
sivanganyway, back to nodeload/nodejs00:29
lcukand easily usable whilst keeping hands near keyboard00:29
lcukandybleaden, the touchpad is not nice I try best to ignore it00:29
sivanglcuk: indeed.00:29
lcuki made a few notes on my wiki talk page00:30
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Lcuk00:30
andybleadenlcuk, I still have to use a lenovo s10-2 so touchpad is all I have .mind you with cumberland sausages for fingers I am not sure what use a touch screen would be00:31
lcuk:) andybleaden sausage fingers work well for touch00:31
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lcukbut not for fiddly ui00:31
sivangandybleaden: did we meet at the conf btw?00:32
andybleadensivang, nope.could not go.been on meego/moblin for a while00:32
andybleadensivang, and been on meego netbook forums since launch as andybleaden :)00:33
sivangandybleaden: ah, k :)00:33
* lcuk thought lenovos had nipples00:34
andybleaden*nope those are people00:35
timeless_mbplcuk: great notes00:35
timeless_mbp=> bugs?00:35
lcukyes sure00:35
lcukjust organising myself00:36
lcuki had no internet on it and only gedit to type with00:36
* timeless_mbp nods00:36
timeless_mbperr00:36
timeless_mbpwere you one of those "I do not like the red stripe" people00:36
* timeless_mbp bets lcuk was00:36
lcuki have installed the red stripe00:36
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lcuki made those notes elsewhere00:36
timeless_mbpah00:36
timeless_mbpi wrote a "how to launch apps and manage files using a Gecko browser" while in Flight00:37
lcukat the conf I tried my best not to use device00:37
timeless_mbpwe had a platform w/o a file manager00:37
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timeless_mbpbut we had Gecko :)00:37
lcukwe were there to talk with people and I dont like having my head buried in a laptop00:37
andybleadenHave you all with new lenovos got your wifi sorted then00:37
leinirlcuk: there was networking to be done of the squishy human interaction sort ;)00:37
timeless_mbpandybleaden: there was a choice00:37
andybleadenbeen a pain with my lenovo for the last 12 months00:37
andybleadenchoice!?00:38
timeless_mbppurists took the stripe free usb stick = no wifi00:38
lcukyes leinir and a great much of it did do :)00:38
leinir*nods* :)00:38
lcukdid you get Ians email address/number?00:38
timeless_mbpsane people picked the red striped usb stick = binary wifi drivers00:38
leiniri got his email, yeah :)00:38
timeless_mbpandybleaden: choice00:38
andybleadentimeless_mbp, cool00:38
timeless_mbpthat was rather well done actually00:38
GAN900timeless_mbp, most of day 2's batch was Atheros00:38
timeless_mbpmy biggest complaint is that they gave people UK plugs00:38
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GAN900If not all of them.00:38
GAN900And UK layouts.00:38
timeless_mbpthankfully work had spare EU plugs :)00:38
lcuktimeless_mbp, thats not a problem realistically since the shipment came from uk00:39
andybleadenGAN900, does not the whol00:39
timeless_mbpGAN900: better than FI layouts!00:39
* timeless_mbp grumbles00:39
lcukminor - next time it could be taken into consideration00:39
andybleadenGAN900, whole world use UK plugs :P00:39
lcukperhaps a percentge of adapters from regions00:39
timeless_mbpandybleaden: small world00:39
timeless_mbplcuk: yeah00:39
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andybleadentimeless_mbp, too right00:39
timeless_mbpnokia fwiw in the past has considered this when giving out devices00:39
* timeless_mbp is starting to appreciate nokia for doing that00:40
lcuksince those cables are standard00:40
timeless_mbp"standard"00:40
lcukyou can get them for a few euros/dollars in most computer shops00:40
timeless_mbpi didn't have any of this netbook cable lying around my house00:40
leinirtimeless_mbp: this time was apparently slightly odd, as they had other plans which didn't come through00:40
lcukok not standard but not really odd and needs mailorder00:40
thiago_homewe forgot the plugs when we gave out N8s in San Francisco00:40
timeless_mbpleinir: oh? interesting00:40
leinircloverleaf ones? Sure, they're pretty standard00:40
sivangtimeless_mbp: there's much more than that to appreciate nokia for :)00:40
lcuktimeless_mbp, all the laptops in our house have similar!00:40
timeless_mbpthiago: doh00:40
thiago_homeI'll put it in the to-do list for the next give-aways00:40
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timeless_mbpthiago: please do :)00:40
leinirthiago_home: ooops :)00:41
thiago_homeleinir: they were EU plugs in the US00:41
sivangthiago_home: N8 giveaways in san fran? woo00:41
andybleadentimeless_mbp, mind you after 12 months I have learnt broadcom hacking in ubuntu/kubuntu/fedora/moblin/meego/suse/smeegol and even chrome os00:41
timeless_mbpleinir: i have oo, o=o, o=oo, plus the mac chargers00:41
w00t_realistically speaking - free hardware, and you're complaining about the charger? :-P00:41
timeless_mbpw00t: i have an iPod touch00:41
timeless_mbpi can't find its charger00:42
sivangI am always prepared with adaptors, so never problem to me00:42
timeless_mbpdo you know how useful it is to me today?00:42
w00t_timeless_mbp: if you don't want it, I'll be glad to take it off of you00:42
timeless_mbpheh00:42
kyb3R:)00:42
w00t_I have no charger either, but I can most likely get one very easily00:42
timeless_mbptechnically i think nokia owns it...00:42
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andybleadentimeless_mbp, strange when I bought my lenovo it came with uk and eu plugs00:43
w00t_point being I'd rather pay X.00 to XX.00 for a charger than XXX.00 for the hardware, retail00:43
sivangw00t_==00:43
timeless_mbpandybleaden: interesting00:43
w00t_(in my case, it's actually no problem as I travel so often I have so many goddamn adapters for various countries..)00:43
timeless_mbpw00t_: sure00:43
lcukandybleaden, thats a nice touch00:43
w00t_ironically enough00:43
w00t_despite living in the UK right now, I have more european cables than UK ones00:44
w00t_I've had to start using EU->UK adapters00:44
timeless_mbpheh00:44
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timeless_mbpi learned ages ago to just have power strips00:44
w00t_I have no idea how that happened00:44
andybleadentimeless_mbp, might be or it was a dodgy plug! did you all sort out your 3g phone sim thing.tried a normal phone sim..got stuck...doh!00:44
timeless_mbpand adapters for the strip plug00:44
lcukw00t_, as timeless pointer out: get a power strip in the style all your stuff is and use a single localised convertor00:44
timeless_mbpandybleaden: mostly yeah00:44
w00t_lcuk: could do, but I don't have a european power strip at present :-)00:45
timeless_mbpafter yelling at a clerk in a brick+mortar store for lying to me00:45
timeless_mbpw00t_: that can be solved00:45
timeless_mbpi could have left one behind00:45
timeless_mbpi brought two..00:45
w00t_I'll probably try pick one up at christmas00:45
* lcuk still giggles at emphasis the conf badges had on first names00:45
andybleadenget on t'ebay00:45
* w00t_ will be going to norway as usual00:45
w00t_lcuk: I'm still waiting for you to /nick luck00:46
leinirlcuk: Yeah, first names, and no irc nicks ;)00:46
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sivangw00t_: there's someone by that nick already00:46
w00t_leinir: mine had w00t on it, in brackets (because I thought to put it on there)00:46
lcukw00t_, luck comes in here already00:46
* lcuk started the conference with luck00:46
timeless_mbplcuk: yeah well00:46
w00t_lcuk: right, point being that he can take lcuk, and we'll all then be really confused00:46
timeless_mbpdid people comment clearly on that?00:47
leinirw00t_: And mine had leinir on it, because it's part of my name... but still :)00:47
w00t_;)00:47
lcukw00t_, many people found out timeless_mbp's first name!00:47
andybleadenwere all of you who went to meegoconf developers then00:47
w00t_I don't think I met timeless_mbp, unfortunately. still00:47
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lcukandybleaden, a lot of us were yeah00:47
timeless_mbpw00t_: i missed slaine too00:47
andybleadenhmmm00:47
timeless_mbpwe need to make shopping lists of people to meet00:47
w00t_timeless_mbp: I had one, but the problem is.. there were *so* many interesting people..00:47
w00t_that plus the talks meant I was already rushed off my feet00:47
andybleadenlcuk, he was real helpful with moblin for me.big into IVI if I remember00:48
w00t_plus taking ~2 hours of Qt exams on monday didn't help00:48
lcukandybleaden, a guy called luck?00:48
andybleadenlcuk, nope glen (slaine)00:48
lcukahh cross talking about things00:49
lcukdigital badges with location would be good00:49
lcuk"where is w00t"00:49
andybleadenlcuk, sorry00:49
lcuk"where is lcuk"00:49
sivangno need,there are enough mobile apps for that :)00:49
lcuk"Gary is in the presedential suite"00:49
timeless_mbpnot badges...00:49
lcuksivang, gps doesnt work indoors00:49
timeless_mbpbluetooth mesh networks00:50
lcuk++00:50
timeless_mbpyou tell your phone who you want to meet00:50
sivanglcuk: in door positioning using bluetooth or wifi00:50
w00t_I also think that at the next conference00:50
w00t_badges should be much bigger00:50
w00t_and NEON FLASHING00:50
timeless_mbpit finds out who's nearby00:50
sivanglcuk: digia has experience with setups like this00:50
lcukthen I will talk with them some more then00:50
w00t_because I got sick of peering at someone trying to work out who they were for like 40 seconds00:50
sivangspecifically, wifi in door positioning00:50
andybleadenw00t, or tshirts with names on00:50
timeless_mbpand tells you who's on your list nearby00:50
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lcukw00t_, some of the lanyards were so long it almost felt like looking at crotch00:50
w00t_granted, I also need new glasses, or contacts00:50
timeless_mbpw00t_: it takes me 50+s :)00:50
w00t_timeless_mbp: yeah00:51
w00t_in some cases it took me a few *minutes*00:51
tybolltw00t00:51
w00t_which was a bit embarrasing00:51
lcuki just got round to asking people what they did00:51
lcuk:)00:51
w00t_"so, person I've been talking to for the past hour, who are you?"00:51
GAN900w00t_, need to let Randy design it again next time.00:51
sivangw00t_: my sister loves the collabora shit with the open source ninja00:51
sivangw00t_: thanks00:51
w00t_sivang: collabora shit!? :o00:52
lcuki hope you mean shirt00:52
GAN900w00t_, I took a cab to the airport with Timo before I connected the dots!00:52
sivangw00t_: shirt00:52
w00t_i didn't think we used that for marketing purposes!00:52
w00t_;)00:52
sivangsorry :/00:52
sivangbad bad keyboard!00:52
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sivangbut I have my netbook now, and soon his laptop is going to someone else00:52
w00t_irony of ironies, i've just been wasting time^W^Wworking hard by spending some time on http://damnyouautocorrect.com/00:52
w00t_great, great amusement00:52
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lcuktimeless_mbp, the qa-tools testrunner application has a mechanism to create documented gui flows for bug testing purposes00:53
sivanghaha00:53
sivanglcuk: with TDriver?00:53
lcukit worked well and would work offline too, had I got it installed, I would have made my buglist into those things00:53
lcukyes00:54
andybleadenmany of you pep00:54
* Jay_BEE heads for the Qt bug tracker00:54
sivanglcuk: Did we get to talk at conf?00:55
w00t_Jay_BEE: hrrm?00:55
lcuksivang, not sure00:55
lcukphoto?00:55
lcukor you00:55
andybleadensorry ..many of you people managed to try sorting mpeg4 /mp4 support other than via a long terminal session.00:55
Jay_BEEw00t:  trying out qt creator 2.1 beta2... seems for me building and deploying app to n900 does not work00:56
lcukandybleaden, not yet afaik00:56
Jay_BEEit works with 2.0100:56
andybleadentried in moblin but it took ages and lots of terminal session.obviously fluendo would save time but is there another way00:56
timeless_mbpw00t_: nice00:56
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w00t_Jay_BEE: hrrm, surprising.. hit up #qt-creator tomorrow (probably best during european daytime) too if you can - lots of helpful folks there00:57
Jay_BEEw00t: i'm there now and hear nothing but crickets and see a bunch of tumbleweed rolling around..00:58
w00t_Jay_BEE: yeah.. european nighttime is not a good time for most of the creator hackers00:58
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Jay_BEEw00t: cool...thanks for the tip00:59
sivanglcuk: sivan greenberg, at the left with a black shirt http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/meego-conference-building-bridges-literally/00:59
Jay_BEEnow if we could get some love with getting uboot added to the meego 1.2 handset nightlies :)01:00
lcuksivang, I think you were in some of the adhoc discussion groups but I dont think we spoke 1:101:00
sivanglcuk: yes, makes sense. I would have remembered. I did see a name tag with your name on for a friction of a second at some point :)01:01
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lcuksivang, yeah likely01:02
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* lcuk remembers a lovely chat with one of the aava guys 01:04
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lcukoutside the brewery01:05
lcuk:)01:05
andybleadensivang, have you managed to get your meego to change any themes permanently yet01:05
* thiago_home didn't meet anyone from aava01:05
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sivangme neither, could have been itneresting to meet some of them01:05
leinirHmm... yeah, me neither...01:05
sivangandybleaden: haven't really tried01:05
sivangI did not even know aava people are there01:06
lcukcorporate logo/name might be useful on future badges01:06
lcukfor confs01:06
andybleadenanyone else managed?01:06
sivangyes01:06
WIImani can change wallpaper , but didnt know themes could be changed01:06
lcuki spoke to people from many corporations01:06
thiago_hometoo many people in the conf01:07
leinirlcuk: actually, i found it refreshing to walk up to people and have a nice conversation, and then find out they were some high level person in whatever corporation or somesuch...01:07
w00tlcuk: I stuck a sticker on mine :-)01:07
andybleadenWIIman, they can or used to be via sudo gnome-appearance-properties but they don't seem to stay changed01:07
w00tthiago_home: I never did get to corner you later on :-P01:07
thiago_homew00t: yeah01:07
lcukthiago_home, fosdem is larger01:07
thiago_homelcuk: so is fisl01:07
lcukleinir, good point01:07
leinirw00t: Yup, me too - texrat's leinir meegon ;) i was also told it looked just right at home there, as though it was supposed to be there, which was kinda neat ;)01:08
lcukactually, yes agreed01:08
lcukbut when looking for specific people01:08
thiago_homelcuk: 7000 there, but not many interesting people to meet01:08
lcukit made it hard to do01:08
lcukthiago_home, every one of them is interested01:08
lcukand interesting01:08
thiago_homelcuk: not at fisl01:09
lcuki met someone doing biological research at uni01:09
lcukahh right01:09
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w00tspeaking of fosdem, I wonder if I should go this time01:09
w00tI've intended to go for 2008/2009/2010, and neither of them managed to happen for various reasons01:09
lcukit was good last year, where is it this time??01:09
lcuk*this year and next time01:09
w00tbrussels, according to the website01:10
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smokulbt, is OBS down?01:11
sivangthiago_home: btw, got my email?01:11
thiago_homesivang: yes, I did01:11
thiago_homesivang: like I told you, I don't think you offended01:11
thiago_homejust a matter of having the problems you guys pointed out being to be addressed01:11
thiago_homefirst step in fixing a problem is to identify it01:12
berndhsI identified my problem as not finding QAudioInput :)01:12
timeless_mbpiirc fosdem is always brussels01:12
lcukthx timeless_mbp01:12
lcukand w00t01:12
timeless_mbpthiago: someone's addressing problems?01:13
timeless_mbppublicly?01:13
thiago_hometimeless_mbp: I don't know, but we should be, shouldn't we?01:14
thiago_homebut like I said, thanks for pointing out where problems needed solving in the first place01:15
timeless_mbpthat'd be nice, yes01:15
sivangthiago_home: what about the focus groups / feedback workshops do you think its feasible ? a conf could be a good place to have these, with a giveaway as an incentive perhaps?01:15
timeless_mbpsorry, it's hard to know what the context is01:15
thiago_homesivang: focus groups yes01:15
thiago_homewhy a giveaway?01:15
sivangthiago_home: well, it is not mandatory01:16
* thiago_home isn't following01:16
sivangthiago_home: just a suggestion to incent participation. Although without it, I am sure we'd get wide participatios01:16
sivangthiago_home: the netbook giveaway could be great opportunity if we had the laptops preinstalled01:17
sivangthiago_home: *have been01:17
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sivangthiago_home: for next time, we could use this event for such. People spent quite some time installing etc, assuming we have preinstaled devices either handsets/netbooks/tablets this time can be utilized for feedback, perhaps. (I'm thining outloud)01:19
sivang*thinking01:19
thiago_homehow would a giveaway make an incentive for feedback on the communtiy?01:20
GAN900I think we're more than happy to give our feedback for free! *g*01:21
WIImanit would people a chance to see meego  in action and buy next avalable broduct or diferant one with meego on it01:22
WIImaninsentives work01:22
thiago_homeI don't want people to come to a community focus group only to get a giveaway01:22
WIImanto bad the jins keep moving my keys01:23
thiago_homethat's why they're never announced01:23
thiago_homeyou never know what you may or may not get (SF for example)01:23
lcukthiago_home, of course not, but theres a group of people now who have a reproducable, specific dedicated machine and workhorse01:23
sivangthiago_home: that was just a suggestion, I personally don't think it is neccessary but such giveaways tha take place already could also form a ground for feedback01:24
WIImanbatterry life seems much better under meego01:25
thiago_homefeedback on the device itself?01:25
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WIImancombo feedback its on my dell mini and meego01:26
WIImanwith is very intell driven01:26
lcukWIIman, do you have any hardware integration issues/bugs filed ?01:27
lcukor is it happily running?01:27
WIImanno hardware issues to file01:27
lcukdo all hte button work?01:27
WIImangotta have bugs to squish01:27
fcrochikanybody knows of any qt project on meego obs? I would like to have one as an example of spec files... by the way I am planning to write a howto for a simple qt app all the way....is anybody working on it?01:27
sivangthiago_home: feedback on either: device+ os combo, on the releaseon the device, or on any new feature we would like to get feedback on.01:28
WIImanwell maye one now that i think01:28
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WIImanit mounts usb device once then once unmounted it wont mount it again till the system restarts meego 1.1 netbook ill file that01:29
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lcukeek, ok then \o01:29
sivangthiago_home: so there can be general questionire, and drill downs, including live session where a host interacts with audience enabling brainstomring. given the diverse nature of people (OEMs, end users, developers) this could be interesting.01:30
thiago_homesivang: nokia does that, of course01:30
thiago_homeexcept that people sign NDAs and are not allowed to talk about it01:31
thiago_homeand not in conferences01:31
lcukthis is where meego is different01:31
thiago_homewell, no. Nokia will make its own UI, independent of MeeGo.01:31
thiago_homewe can talk about the reference UI though.01:31
WIImanthe netbook UI rocks01:32
lcuksure, but you are also talking about the netbook ux too01:32
thiago_homeok01:32
thiago_homethat can be done01:32
thiago_homeI just thought we were discussing community improvement and meego the project01:32
thiago_homenot the UI01:32
thiago_homehence my confusion01:32
* lcuk nods01:32
WIImanmy ony complaint about meego is very few apps for it01:33
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thiago_homeyou mean meego netbook01:33
WIImani know that will change in time though01:33
thiago_homefor the other verticals, those apps make little sense01:33
WIImanyeh meego netbook01:33
sivangthiago_home: yes, feedback on the open reference UI for handset01:34
* thiago_home wouldn't spend much time on that01:34
sivangthiago_home: oh ?01:34
marnanellcuk: were you doing things with onscreen keyboards?01:35
lcukmarnanel, there are some instructions for osk stuff around, I havent looked yet tbh not been on any computer all day practically01:36
WIImani dont like onskreen kbs on tablets the ones i seen take half the screen or more01:37
WIImanone reson i got a netbook01:37
lcuksure01:37
lcukbut osk on a slate is practical01:37
marnanellcuk: oh okay.  Just wanted to bounce a related idea off you01:38
sivangthiago_home: you mean, since it is just a reference UX?01:38
thiago_homeyes01:38
thiago_homeit should be made nice, but don't spend too much time on it01:38
WIImanpractacle yes but efficiant no not when use lose lots of screen estate01:38
sivangthiago_home: okaym, thanks for this important note01:38
thiago_homenokia won't use it, for instance01:38
lcukWIIman, sure, I got an n810 and n900 purely because they had a keyboard01:38
thiago_homean OEM could, but then it's their business to ensure it meets their needs01:39
thiago_homebut we can reverse the question and say that no OEM will use it unless it's good01:39
thiago_homeor more strongly: no OEM will use meego unless there's a good UX01:39
thiago_homeat this point, I don't know whether that's the case01:39
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WIImani love my netbook it lets sit at table comfortably and see screen at a nice angle01:40
* lcuk nods01:40
lcuki have my device in slate mode between my keyboard and kneess01:40
lcukknees01:40
marnanellcuk: so someone at the conference said (not in these terms) that what we need is to take n-grams of English text and produce Markov chains such that after n-1 letters entered on the osk, the three or so most likely following letters became *slightly* larger01:40
lcukwhere my a4 pad would normally sit01:40
WIImantablets have aplace i quess i just havnt jumped on the train yet01:40
marnanellcuk: I can write and train the back end for this easily, it's the sort of thing I do all the time.01:41
lcukyes marnanel01:41
marnanellcuk: so I wondered whether you know whether anyone else was working on it01:41
lcuki recall the conversation also01:41
marnanellcuk: otherwise I might.01:41
thiago_homemarnanel: they don't have to be larger. Just their hit areas.01:41
marnanelthiago_home: true01:41
sivangthiago_home: yes, mythought was to have good enough upstream UI that most OEMs will either adopt or follow the practices01:41
lcukmarnanel, I remarked that to slightly dim the other non useful characters would be a good visual indicator01:42
marnanellcuk: oh yeah, I remember you saying that01:42
marnanellcuk: I could probably fix up UI stuff to do that.  but atm I am thinking about the back-end implementation01:42
marnanelI think this could be a thing of great niftiness01:42
lcuki heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass svg file01:43
rrixi heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass-svg file01:43
* marnanel blinks01:43
lcukwtf01:43
lcukhuh "i heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass svg file"01:43
rrixhuh "i heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass-svg file"01:43
marnaneldoes rrix repeat anything with big ass foo in it?01:43
rrixdoes rrix repeat anything with big ass-foo in it?01:43
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marnanelyes.  gosh, that's silly.01:43
lcukyes big ass01:43
lcukyes big ass hmm01:44
rrixyes big ass-hmm01:44
marnanelI think it's a reference to an xkcd01:44
marnanelhttp://xkcd.com/37/01:44
lcukanyway, not sure if those keymats can have birightness modified on the fly or if the hitzones can be effected01:44
lcukand I am not sure how I would proceed using qml01:44
lcukwhether you can have an element but have its hit area larger without intefering01:45
marnanelI don't know either.01:45
lcukat a guess01:45
rrixwoops01:45
rrixgod damnit01:45
marnanelrrix: hush01:45
rrixsorry guys01:45
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lcukmaking a new transparant layer ontop with bigger hitzones would suffice01:45
rrixI have root on this machine, I'm gonna go delete that script finally01:45
* marnanel nods01:45
* lcuk hmms01:46
lcuki am wondering how I would implement it by thinking about the liqbase keyboard01:46
lcukmarnanel, how many potential keys would we need to show larger01:46
WIImanim not big on getting freebies but you would have to give me a tablet or at least loan me one so i can see its viabilaty before i would consideer giving up my netbook01:47
marnanellcuk: I am thinking three-ish.  more than that would defeat the point01:47
WIImani just love this thing01:47
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lcukmarnanel, reasonable01:47
lcukso holding a group of transparent redefinable (and relocatable) widgets sitting ontop of the keyboard which would offer larger hitzone for the press would work?01:48
* timeless_mbp sighs01:48
marnanelI believe so, yes01:48
marnanellcuk: so if I wrote a library where you gave it zero to three letters and it returned a string of three characters which were likely to follow, that would be a start01:48
marnanelplus the database01:49
* timeless_mbp kicks intel, lenovo, nvda, and of course... nokia01:49
lcukmarnanel, one thing about keyboards - using circular distance algorythms from the centre of each letter01:49
lcukrather than a rectangle hitzone01:49
timeless_mbpthese idiots didn't include descriptions for their services01:49
lcukwould be nicer potentially01:49
marnaneltimeless_mbp: ah, but we know now: they *can* organise a piss-up in a brewery01:49
lcukmarnanel, so the library would accept a string01:49
lcukwhich is the text leading upto the cursor current position01:50
lcukmarnanel, ++01:50
marnanellcuk: circular> yes, we just use pythagoras with respect to each letter and find the shortest maybe, with weighting for the more likely letters01:50
marnanellcuk: yes01:50
lcuksuch an apt phrase for the sheer awesomeness of the event01:50
lcukmarnanel, lets talk again on monday after getting some thoughts sunk in01:52
marnanellcuk: yeah, good plan01:52
lcukdo you want to perhaps copy paste this convo into the wiki01:52
marnanellcuk: I'll hack around with ngrams a bit maybe01:52
marnanellcuk: the meego wiki? sure01:52
lcukand then we can flesh it out and do some bits with it01:52
marnanelsure01:52
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lcukmarnanel, read up on how fmms started :) its a good model for creating applications over the internet01:53
lcuk(also started based on a conversation)01:54
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sivangis it possible for someone to use meego as a "base" without getting an official meego stamp?01:57
lcukmarnanel, chances are similar algorithm could work well for browser link hitting too01:57
lcuksivang, ?01:58
leinirsivang: sure - they just can't call it "meego"... though as i understand they are free to call it "based on meego"... possibly even legally required to do so, what with the license and such01:58
sivangleinir: so if I want the promise of quality through MeeGo quality guidelines and stringest process, I buy a meedo device, not a based one.01:59
sivangor rather, a "based on" one.01:59
leinirsivang: something like that, i believe... but yeah, meego compliance is still very much up in the air02:00
sivangleinir: right02:01
lcukleinir, did you see at the airport, Ian was collared at the gate about his bag collection02:01
leinirlcuk: Hmm?02:02
lcukhis 5 pieces of handluggage02:02
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WIImani saw where BMW and othere car makere were adopting MeeGo as there incar os02:02
sivangI got a jam taken away from me :-(02:02
leinirWIIman: *nods* GENIVI :)02:03
leinirlcuk: Hmm? as in please rephrase, that did not translate in my head ;)02:03
WIImanthats a nice start :)02:03
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lcukleinir, as Ian got to the gate and you were walking off, did you notice him being caught with all his bags?02:04
sivangWIIman: indeed, for "meego based"02:04
ofauchonHi ... is there a debug verbose mode for mad : "mad remote -r meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime poweron" returns nothing . thx02:04
leinirlcuk: No, i can't say that i did...02:04
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WIImanits meegos future that makes me stand by it as well as how it handles my netbook inspite of the lac of apps that could be avalible for it02:05
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lcukbbiab phone02:05
sivangnight all, see you tomorrow hopefully02:05
* sivang regrets losing the jam to the airport dude02:05
Alison_ChaikenWIIman, I have friends at Nvidia (fellow bicycle racers) and they are  pushing MeeGo on Tegra for IVI.02:06
lcukooh02:06
arfolltbh nvidia have been pushing tegra for how long?02:07
arfolland still no products02:07
Alison_ChaikenWIIman, I can't say more as I have been following public announcements, but MeeGo in cars is looking pretty strong.   I wish an IVI SDK were available that would run in QEMU.02:07
Alison_Chaikenarfoll, the Zune and (regrettable) Kin are both Tegra IIRC.02:07
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arfolllol awesome success...02:08
arfolland isn't the zune tegra1?02:08
arfolltegra2 actually has no products I know of02:08
Tilihi guys. i am getting "Not enough space" error when I try to write Meego image to sd card. Using windows.02:08
Alison_Chaikenarfoll, the Zune is a pretty great product even though: 1) it has sold poorly; 2) it's made by Waldemort.02:08
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arfollAlison_Chaiken, but its a shame, on specs at least the tegra2 looked nice, now with the new ST chips and OMAP4 out it looks like tegra2 passed it's prime02:10
berndhshas lbt gone to sleep ?02:10
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Alison_ChaikenDunno arfoll, but since TI gave me a free Pandaboard last week in Dublin, my personal plans involve the OMAP4!   Bummed to see that I have to solder on the board to use the LCD output though.02:12
arfollawesome how did you manage to get a free panda?02:12
marnanellcuk: http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard02:13
Tiliguys how can i resolve "Not enough space" issue for placing meego on sd card?02:14
arfollTili, how big is your SD card?02:14
Tili4GB02:14
arfolland your writing your image with dd?02:14
Tiliusing windows win32-disk-imager02:15
Alison_Chaikenarfoll, the TI guys were having a "contest" for the 15 best ideas on projects to build with the Pandaboard.   Let's hope that there were more than 15 entries.   I'm quite serious about building mine, but soldering on those tiny SMT resistors scares me.    I should check if it's working first!02:15
arfolltry on linux with dd02:15
Tiliarfoll: roger that02:15
arfollAlison_Chaiken, good work, I actually didn't propose one stupidly enough forgot about it... damn it!02:16
Alison_Chaikenarfoll, you can have mine if I ruin it with the soldering.   But seriously, I'll probably end up spending $170 (what the board costs) on accessories.02:16
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arfollAlison_Chaiken, ehehe give me a shout if that happens - I'd like to have a good porting XBMC to omap4 since gst-openmax looks like it'll work quite well on that02:17
arfolls/good/go\ at02:17
lcukmarnanel, oooh that looks like a very good start.02:18
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* WIIman wishess someone lived close to him that had a meego tablet to play with a few minuts to see it work and weather it was worth the purchase vs the functionality of his netbook02:20
WIImani dont want to waste monney on a tabletonly to find i hate it02:20
arfollWIIman, right now it's probably not worth your money02:21
WIImani have a very nice netbook for what at&t gave it to me for 42 dollers02:21
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WIImanjust for a 2 year agreement and adding it as a second line02:22
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WIImansure i had to get a 35 data plan but hell getting a dell mini  10 1012 for 42 dollers was worth it02:23
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WIImanand meego even lets me use my 3g card02:24
arfollyou realise you paid $882 for that netbook?02:24
WIImanover the long term yes but short turn only 42 dollers02:25
arfollWIIman, you're the perfect customer ;-)02:25
WIImanatleast i didnt have to fork out 400 dollers upfront for it02:25
WIImani dont care att makes eetra monny i got my netbook for cheap at the onset  :)02:26
WIImanthe ipad was still over 200 dollers for the same plan02:27
WIImanso i see it a steel02:27
WIImanas long as i get a benifit i am fine letting my vender have one to02:28
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lcuk_ideahey chaps :) first time on my irc from the ideapad02:28
WIImangive a free or cheep device ill pay for it to have 3g or somethng02:29
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timeless_mbplcuk_idea: ok, this client sucks, what irc client are you using?02:30
lcuk_ideatimeless_mbp: direct webchat on chromium and it sucks02:31
arfollsomeone built xchat for meego02:31
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lcuk_ideayeah I heard02:31
timeless_mbparfoll: does it suck? :)02:31
lcuk_ideai just did this to check something02:32
lcuk_ideakathy has xchat installed02:32
lcuk_ideashe did it herself from timoph's repo02:32
arfolltimeless_mbp, it's ok if you like gui clients02:32
timeless_mbpdoes it support fingers?02:32
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* lcuk_idea giggles02:33
* timeless_mbp should try comic chat02:33
timeless_mbpor in lcuk's case, does it support *limited* fingers? :)02:33
arfolldidn't really try - probably not great02:33
WIImanwhere she get xchat ? have to use pidgin as i couldnt get xchat or any other irc client instaalled02:33
* arfoll is enjoying machete02:33
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timeless_mbpmachete?02:34
lcuk_ideaWIIman: timoph has an obs repository which he has been building some apps into02:34
* timeless_mbp considers comic chat02:34
arfolltimeless_mbp, machete - the film02:34
lcuk_ideaask him or others where it is02:34
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arfollhttp://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/timoph/meego_1.1_core_Netbook/i586/02:35
WIImanwhat he link to the repo and adding it ?02:35
timeless_mbparfoll: what's w/ the : in the url?02:36
WIImanlol thanks02:36
arfolltimeless_mbp, because obs homes are home:username02:36
arfollit's kinda stupid IMO but that's the way it is02:36
nialayou can use empathy for irc it's integrated with meego-panel-relation02:37
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timeless_ideapadhello world02:42
timeless_ideapad# Appears as ANNA02:43
* timeless_mbp kicks comic chat02:43
timeless_ideapad# Appears as SAGE02:44
timeless_ideapad(#G010E010M1) oops02:44
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timeless_ideapad?02:45
* w00t blinks02:45
* timeless_ideapad smipes02:46
* arfoll awesomness bios wipe fixes wifi issue :-)02:46
timeless_ideapadtyping on osk isn't easy02:46
* CosmoHill tilts head02:46
Robot101this is why comic chat died in a fire :P02:47
timeless_mbpare you guys too young to remember comic chat? :)02:47
timeless_mbpi'll post a picture of it...02:47
CosmoHillI just step into the channel randomly02:47
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Robot101we looked at implementing support for the protocol in telepathy as an april fools joke02:47
Robot101but we couldn't be bothered :P02:47
timeless_ideapadloo02:48
timeless_ideapadlol02:48
timeless_ideapads/loo/lol/02:48
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w00tI think I actually did write something to talk to comic chat years ago02:48
w00tor, wait02:48
w00tdid comic chat talk ircx?02:49
w00ti think i'm confusing things02:49
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TrackerDPPhello02:49
TrackerDPPall02:49
* timeless_mbp thinks it might have02:49
Robot101its just irc with stupid stuff02:49
w00tright02:49
w00tircx :)02:49
Robot101# Appears as IDIOT02:49
Robot101(#dorkdorkdork) hi02:49
w00ti hated ircx with a firey burning passion :p02:49
w00tbut it was fun for a laguh02:49
w00tlaugh*02:49
Robot101heh oh yeah it msgs you with people's current appearance when you say that, haha02:50
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TrackerDPPi am new on this channel02:51
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marnanellcuk: still around?02:52
timeless_ideapadwelcome02:52
TrackerDPPthanks timeless_ideapad02:52
marnanellcuk: this is what I mean about the backend (it still needs a database; this just spits out ngrams) http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~tthurman/git/predictive.git/02:52
marnanellcuk: left hand column is context, right hand column shows the zero to three characters most likely to follow that context02:53
TrackerDPPwhat is require to create a community ?02:53
w00tmarnanel: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-inputmethodengine/blobs/master/words/mimenginewordsinterface.h might be an interesting read02:56
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Termanamorning02:57
TrackerDPPMorning Termana !02:57
timeless_mbpw00t_: ooh, that used to be in mxr02:57
timeless_mbpbut then they renamed from dui to mtf02:57
w00ttimeless_mbp: *nod*02:58
marnanelw00t: hm, I wonder how easy it would be to twist that into what we want.  thanks02:58
w00tand moved from qt.gitorious.org to meego.g.o02:58
w00tmarnanel: :-)02:58
timeless_mbpw00t: could you look at mxr.meego.com/meego and help me arrange a better list of things to clone?02:58
w00ttimeless_mbp: certainly, do you have a mail address I can mail corrections to? I have to wander off to shower02:59
timeless_mbptimeless@gmail02:59
w00tk02:59
marnanelw00t: see, the problem I see in this is that it gives you the "n" words it judges most likely to follow the context02:59
w00twill try take a look later02:59
GAN900I like it when the trackpad just stops working.02:59
marnanelw00t: and unless we set n infinitely large we will always have the risk that they'll begin only with a subset of the letters we want02:59
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GAN900Useless Lenovo, Useless MeeGo.03:00
w00tmarnanel: I'm sure the IM developers could use feedback, I doubt that API has been played with a lot03:00
timeless_ideapadgan900: what makes you feel this way?03:00
timeless_mbp(ideapad is using osk.exe)03:00
w00tmarnanel: see /msg btw (unrelated)03:00
marnanelw00t: like maybe "FO", n=2, -> food, foot.. so we see the O, but not any other letter that might actually be more likely than O03:00
GAN900timeless_ideapad, I want to throw it through the wall next to me03:00
* w00t heads for the shower03:01
GAN900Largely because I can't seem to find a freaking flash drive it'll boot the Ubuntu installer from.03:01
timeless_mbpheh03:01
timeless_mbpanyone here familiar w/ bzr?03:01
* timeless_mbp wants to shoot bzr03:01
timeless_mbpi installed bzr (thanks port), and no thanks to help created ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf03:02
timeless_mbpand i ran whoami (totally unintuitive command)03:02
timeless_mbpmy bazaar conf has a url thing for my fixes=03:02
timeless_mbpand i did a commit, which didn't complain03:02
timeless_mbpbut i can't find the fixes() bit in my commit03:03
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marnanelI still can't log into the MeeGO OBS.  I'm sure it's been more than an hour now03:12
timeless_mbpinteresting...03:12
timeless_mbpthe screen is multitouch03:12
timeless_mbpdoes multitouch work w/ ideapads on meego?03:13
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TrackerDPPi go to sleep03:14
TrackerDPPsee you later03:14
TrackerDPPbye all Meego !03:14
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timeless_mbpooh, i finally got the "browser vote" thing03:16
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sp3000telnet to 80 better be an option03:32
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CosmoHillI'm gonna sleep now, cyas03:40
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GeneralAntilles1ss2/clear04:00
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timeless_mbpsp3000: hey04:22
timeless_mbpi need to upload ~50-100 screenshots04:22
timeless_mbpany suggestions for where they could live?04:22
sp3000stress!04:24
timeless_mbpthis is more like ovi-stress04:25
timeless_mbplots of Pain04:25
timeless_mbpno Glory04:25
timeless_mbptechnically the Ovi stuff was supposed to be Pane, but they overdid it04:25
sivangtimeless_mbp: ovi mistakes? :)04:27
* sivang now knows how to use nodeload04:27
sivangjoy!04:27
timeless_mbpsivang: did i not give you the ovi suite demo?04:27
* timeless_mbp needs to set up an audiocast for it04:28
sivangtimeless_mbp: you did but that was just before we parted and went each on our own, you mean the wrong strings that the MS readers exposes?04:28
sivang*reader04:28
sivangtimeless_mbp: but an audio cast could be good, I am not sure I rmember all the details.04:29
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sivangtimeless_mbp: useful to have sunday as a weekend04:35
timeless_mbpshouldn't you be sleeping?04:36
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sivangI should've, but had a small thing I was needing to finish before meego conf, relating to load testing my kv store. Now that I figured nodeload, I'm almost done, and I just need to figure how to tell setuptools to deliver my docs, or rather use debhelper for that.04:40
sivangso I got to it only today..04:41
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timeless_mbpso...05:28
timeless_mbpi finally posted pictures05:28
timeless_mbphttp://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/fingerable%20clock/ shows how to get a fingerable clock right05:28
timeless_mbpanyone designing a clock some other way is almost certainly an idiot05:28
timeless_mbp(i know some of those idiots)05:29
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timeless_mbphttp://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/comicchat%20meego.png05:34
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timeless_mbplcuk: http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/control%20panel%20easier%20to%20use.png is how windows handles Cursor stuff fwiw05:35
timeless_mbpthe fourth section05:35
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nialaEureka!!! my slot is working!!!!!   sorry for the inconvenience05:38
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fcrochikanybody available that can help me figure out why the OBS does not like me?05:44
nialatimeless_mbp: you post screenshot to inspire meego ?05:45
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fcrochikhelp...please.... can't even get the $prep to work and can't figure out why.... https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik&repository=meego_1.1_extras_Netbook05:46
timeless_mbpniala: well...05:46
timeless_mbpin the case of calendar i drew this ui on a napkin months ago05:46
timeless_mbpand some clever people elected not to implement it05:46
timeless_mbpi discovered @meego conf that microsoft basically did what i described05:47
timeless_mbpin general there's no reason *not* to take good ideas from others05:47
nialanice i m agree05:47
timeless_mbpalthough it is also quite important to learn from the mistakes of others05:48
nialagood idea is an good idea even if the devil have the idea05:48
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timeless_mbpok, i've now played w/ the ideapad's ebook reader06:15
timeless_mbpit's actually nice06:15
timeless_mbpthe only problems i have w/ it are that it doesn't do content discovery and doesn't support epub ...06:15
timeless_mbpbut from a ux/ui perspective, it's worth a look06:16
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GeneralAntillesFirst round of conference photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/sets/72157625434963604/with/5194006720/06:29
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lolloohey thanks GeneralAntilles06:51
lolloomuch appreciated06:51
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WIImani opened a twitter acount with meego related topics and plan on using it to provide my experiances with meego and possable advice07:00
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WIImansearch papatwilight tryed to get it under my irc nick but it was taken07:08
WIImanjust started it so only one update07:09
WIImanits not much but any thing done to promote is good07:10
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lollooawesome07:19
lolloowhats best twitter app for N900 on maemo WIIman07:20
WIImannot sure i dont have an N900 and have yet to research it but it might have social networking built in MeeGo netbook does07:21
WIImanthough the meego app need facebook added07:22
WIImanatm it hast last.fm and twitter07:22
WIImanlast.fm reminds me of itunes07:22
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WIImanlet me check google07:23
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WIImanlolloo:   have you tryed Witter07:25
lolloonot yet my friend07:26
WIImanits mentioned on a nokia site might want to try it07:26
WIImanmay be avalible in OVI07:26
WIImanshould be free07:27
lollooyeah I see,07:28
lolloodownloading right now07:28
lollooI will follow you on twitter07:28
WIImanhope it works for you07:28
lolloomuch appreciated07:28
* WIIman is no expert lol but i help when i can07:29
WIImanmy twitter username is papatwilight07:29
WIImanonly one post though ill fix that now07:30
WIImanupdated my page with the info i found you07:31
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* CosmoHill wishes Valgrid worked on ppc mac12:22
CosmoHillshit I'm an idiot, the buffer overflowed because of my magic numbers12:23
dm8tbrran out of pixie dust to go with those?12:23
CosmoHillI increased the number of iterations without increasing the array12:24
thiago_homethat's why you usually create a constant for those things12:24
dm8tbrah, yeah, solution: add more pixi dust :)12:24
CosmoHillnormally I would but for "lets see if this even works" things I just code quickly12:25
CosmoHillnuts, printf only works locally on mpi. maybe I was thinking of PVM12:27
* Chani once spent over an hour debugging what turned out to be a bad printf :)12:27
CosmoHillI've done that12:27
Chaniha12:27
CosmoHillI needed to read 20 lines so I had a loop of 2012:27
Chanierp12:27
CosmoHillof course the loop did readline twice12:27
Chanithe zoom button on my n900 is pushing itslef12:28
CosmoHillan hour or two later I decreased the loop to 10 >.<12:28
CosmoHillChani: I accidently tapped my zoom button on my 6220c12:28
TermanaTalk about programming accidents, I currently have this like 20 line piece that somehow is detecting and printing the result of something twice12:29
TermanaBut I swear the code flow doesn't allow that :p12:30
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CosmoHillone of my assignments is running slower than everyone else's and I have no idea why12:34
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CosmoHillnice, I have race conditions now12:36
CosmoHilllooking at the output I can tell what numbers the slower computer did12:37
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CosmoHillbonjour niala, comment ça va12:37
CosmoHill?12:37
nialahello CosmoHill i"m happy this morning/night (going to sleep a 6h) I ve done my first c++/qt12:39
CosmoHillyay12:39
nialaI m sure reading fc winthis we :)12:39
CosmoHillcongrats12:39
CosmoHillit was 1 -1 against Watford12:39
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CosmoHillI was pretty ingrosed in my programming at the time of the match12:40
nialareading fc are the best in equality score12:41
CosmoHillwe've been best at late scoring12:41
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CosmoHilldammit, I was told an efficent way to do prime numbers to do something with the last found prime12:43
Myrttimyyh12:45
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CosmoHillhmm, my program fails at 15+ processes13:05
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Chaninotmart: how's it going over there?13:06
notmartChani: trying to make sense of specs...13:07
notmartChani: ah, and there is still your laptop turned on there :p13:07
CosmoHillnotmart: the rpm spec files?13:08
notmartCosmoHill: yeah13:08
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CosmoHillmorning lcuk_idea13:15
Chaninotmart: huh.. i asked mek to put my stuff in my bag.. could you do it?13:16
notmartChani: ok13:16
lcuk_ideamorning CosmoHill Chani and everyone \o13:16
* Chani is staying in bed today :/ damn cold..13:16
notmartoooh :/13:16
* CosmoHill gives Chani some hot black current 13:16
* lcuk_idea is also in bed with ideapad13:17
Chaniooh. yum :)13:17
nialaso we are 3 in bed with netbook13:17
steinexlcuk_idea, s10e here13:17
steinex:D13:17
lcuk_ideahahaha13:17
* notmart will go away tomorrow morning, so, remote hugs :(13:17
CosmoHillniala: sounds hot13:17
Chanijust to make this more annoying there's hardly any food in the house 'cause we thought we'd be out all day13:17
* Chani hugs notmart 13:17
CosmoHillactually netbooks shouldn't make that much heat13:17
* notmart hugs Chani13:18
nialaCosmoHill: need a lunch13:18
lcuk_ideathis is a big bed!13:18
Chaniif i feel better this evening maybe i can come  say goodbye... otoh maybe i should keep my germs to myself ;P13:18
CosmoHillniala: well you would, you're an hour ahead of me13:18
notmartChani: the laptop is on (and locked) soo, if i fold it in the bag it won't last that much before dying i think?13:18
CosmoHillI need to figure out why my program isn't working like it should13:18
lcuk_ideawhich program?13:19
CosmoHillmy MPI Goldbach program13:19
Chaninotmart: i put a battery plasmoid on the screensaver just yesterday :) put it to sleep please13:19
* lcuk_idea went to sleep thinking of marnanel's vkb :)13:19
CosmoHillI got the MPI working about an hour ago13:19
nialaCosmoHill: try your prog in bed apparently it's a bed day13:19
notmartChani: okie13:20
Chaninotmart: and my lenovo is turned off on the other desk.. the one with the ninja sticker13:20
CosmoHillI'm running it single core on each node to see if it's the nodes going funky13:20
lcuk_ideaChani: :D lots of collabora ninjas around13:20
notmartyay for plasma on screensaver :)13:20
lcuk_ideadamn the bottle of orange juice is just too far away to reach13:21
* Mek has a bottle of orange juice next to him...13:21
lcuk_ideaare you in bed with us also mek?13:21
Mekno13:21
nialalcuk_idea: you need to hack your chroot-bed13:21
* CosmoHill wonders why iTunes is using 10% load13:21
MekI'm sitting next to chani's netbook13:21
lcuk_ideathen that doesnt count, whilst you are up, could you pass me the bottle :P13:21
lcuk_ideamek but I thought chani was in bed :P13:22
CosmoHillI can do quiet a lot from my bed, I can just about reach the DVD player without falling out13:22
lcuk_ideadid the netbook really just tell me theres updates available? :D13:22
lcuk_ideathats a good idea I might stretch across the room keeping leg inside the bed13:23
steinexlcuk, do you have win7 on that ideapad?13:23
steinexlcuk, is it running smoothely?13:23
lcuk_ideanope, meego13:23
steinexah, i c13:23
steinexi will need windows soon, and can't decide which to choose13:23
lcuk_ideasteinex: its running very smoothly, theres some niggles I mentioned on my wiki talk page13:23
nialayes meego-panel-status update13:23
* lcuk_idea would rather get meego running well enough 13:23
steinexdon't plan to switch to meego, i'm happy with ubuntu here ;-)13:24
lcuk_ideaand I am not dual booting this, though I will find a way to run netbook/handset from same system :)13:24
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lcuk_ideathe aava, is it possible to run the same binary built for the netbook edition?13:26
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nialalcuk_idea: is linux...; if you have libs...13:27
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lcuk_ideaniala: i mean from a cpu perspective13:28
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lcuk_ideaand i couldnt attempt that across netbook -> n900 build for instance13:28
nialaah ok13:28
CosmoHilldammit, I keep modulating by "1" and not "i"13:29
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nialaquestion to 'ideapad'  when your netbook enter in sleep mode, on wake up touchscreen wake up to ?13:29
lcuk_ideameegoip seems to be the name people are banging around13:30
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Stskeepsmeegopad?13:31
nialaStskeeps: ?13:32
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nialasivang: ping13:33
CosmoHillwhat do you guys think of this? http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/egutT7m713:35
CosmoHillI think it's a nice little test of performace of the two algorithems13:35
CosmoHillof course it would be better if it worked...13:36
lcuk_meegoiphmmm i added a bunch of tasks to the task list13:36
lcuk_meegoipit screwed up the order and wont let me adjust it13:36
nialaCosmoHill: there is to much fog here to help you sorry13:39
lcuk_meegoipok i saw the updates available popup, now IDK where to go to actually do the update13:40
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lcuk_meegoipmarnanel: do you happen to have a link to spyros IVI hack building attempts, i cant see him in the chan to ask him and my credentials for elsewhere are on the laptop wayyyy over there13:46
lcuk_meegoip Stskeeps did you mention you got a pandaboard too?13:48
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Stskeepslcuk_meegoip: no, i got offered one but i have too many devices at home, would divert my focus on meego n90013:49
lcuk_meegoipsure, spyro won one and he has been building a digital dashboard so comes at ideal time13:49
lcuk_meegoipi just cant find the link13:50
Stskeepsi have a joggler sys to finish first and then moving on to the ideapad13:50
Stskeepsand my n8x0s13:50
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lcuk_meegoipStskeeps: yeah13:52
lcuk_meegoipleinir: did you happen to take note of the url for his project notes?13:52
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Stskeepsi wonder if armv6 hardfloat is any good13:53
lcuk_meegoiphttp://www.mnementh.co.uk/home/projects/golf/making_a_bezel13:53
lcuk_meegoipahhhahhh found it13:53
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JaffaMorning, all13:54
lcuk_meegoipmorning jaffa w00t13:54
w00t_morn13:55
lcuk_meegoipthe fan on this ip smells of new13:57
* Jaffa goes to download the Qt Creator 2.1 beta after achipa showed off its cool QML stuff14:00
lcuk_meegoipjaffa direct on your ideapad?14:00
Jaffalcuk_meegoip: Heh, no. A proper computer ;-)14:00
Jaffalcuk_meegoip: Although with the semi-translucent VKB and one of the Chrome scrollers, it's not half bad.14:01
thpbtw. is there driver support for multi-touch on the mideapad in linux already?14:01
Jaffalcuk_meegoip: If the VKB did proper 'enter', was a better layout for the 1024x600 screen and a way of switching apps/bringing up the bar when in tablet mode, it'd be even more cool.14:02
Jaffathp: TuxPaint from Garage (*stupid* name, still, IMHO) shows multitouch capability when erasing.14:02
thpJaffa: yes, but that is fake multitouch, right? (quickly alternating between the two touch points)14:03
Jaffathp: If it can detect two touch points, isn't that multitouch?14:03
thpi'd love to have it right down to the toolkit level, so I can experiment with Qt's MT gestures14:03
thpand yes, if it can detect the touch points, then that's multitouch ;)14:04
lcuk_meegoipwhat order are the pixels on the ideapad lcd (for font hinting option)   RGB BGR VRGB VBGR ?14:05
DebolazIf I wanted to add support for full disk encryption to MeeGo netbook, how likely is it this would get included in the official dist?14:07
Bostikmerely possible, but at least I'd like to see it happen14:07
StskeepsDebolaz: file a feature bug, thats usually first indicator.. basically you need to maintain the feature and someone else qa it14:08
StskeepsDebolaz: ie, when bugs come in, you handle it14:08
Stskeepsand submit patches14:08
Stskeepsi suppose the enterprise builds would like it14:09
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Stskeepsor anyone dealing with ndaed material14:09
DebolazIm curious about the development culture around MeeGo. I can implement stuff, but I dont want to deal with paperwork.14:09
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Stskeepswell. its a quality platform so features can't bitrot.. ie, you take responsbility for a feature like people take responsibility for a driver or a subsystem in kernel14:11
Stskeepsif it isnt maintained, feature gets removed14:12
marnanellcuk: no, sorry14:13
Stskeepsno contracts or ndas to sign, just a bugzilla process14:13
* CosmoHill swears14:14
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CosmoHillI forgot to change the incremeant based on last nights research, that would explain the missing numbers14:16
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lcuk_meegoipVDVsx: are you also lay in bed with your ideapad14:18
lcuk_meegoipit seems theres a lot of people this morning enjoying it lol14:19
DebolazStskeeps: Its an important feature for enterprise yes.14:19
CosmoHillone day there will be a meego meeting in bed14:20
VDVsxlcuk_meegoip, nah, just got out of bed,long night :P14:20
lcuk_meegoipindeed, hope you are well14:21
lcuk_meegoipi am seeing snow pictures emerge on flickr, do I gather there was a frosting last night?14:21
lcuk_meegoipon twitter ^14:21
DebolazStskeeps: Despite me not being a big fan of RPM and considering it a mistake to base the platform on it, the only thing that actually blocks me from giving MeeGo a serious try is the lack of disk encryption.14:22
StskeepsDebolaz: :nod: hmm. could you be motivated to ask on meego-dev@ 'i'd like to implement full disk encryption and submit it for inclusion in meego. how do i do this in practice?"14:23
VDVsxlcuk_meegoip, yes, completely white already, here in the south14:23
test34Debolaz, whats so bad about RPM?14:23
lcuk_meegoipDebolaz: on the installer there was the option to encrypt wasnt there?14:23
Stskeeps?14:23
Stskeepslcuk_meegoip: only /home which is not good14:23
lcuk_meegoipVDVsx: :)14:23
lcuk_meegoipahh ok, what stuff gets written outside home that concerns?14:23
dm8tbrfull disk encryption as in sans boot partition and then LUKS for the rest?14:24
lcuk_meegoip"i've noticed your battery is running a little low"   awesome and friendly message :)14:24
DebolazLcuk: /home encryption is in many cases pointless. It requires a fairly advanced understanding about your system to do it right.14:24
DebolazIts kind of like the story of the emperors new clothes. :)14:25
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lcuk_meegoipDebolaz: *nod* and so how would you go about it properly?14:25
Debolaztest34: Too many painful memories to sum up here. But like I said, its not a blocking issue for me.14:26
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Debolazlcuk: Full disk encryption. Its conceptually a lot simpler which means less chance of information leaking out unintentionally.14:27
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lcuk_meegoiphow does it effect battery life for disk intensive activities?14:27
lcuk_meegoipor is there a chip to help take the load?14:28
BostikI can answer that one: very little, if the encryption is done with special hardware14:28
lcuk_meegoip*nod*14:28
DebolazIt does have disadvantages with performance for instance, but in some situations this is acceptable.14:28
Bostikand sensible embedded hardware these days have that14:28
DebolazIe, where protecting data is more important than 3 seconds less boot time. :)14:29
lcuk_meegoipits much more than 3 seconds though, since having to open the lid, flip the keyboard round and type in a password ;)14:29
DebolazTrue. :)14:30
Bostikfrom where I look at it, the hardest part would be the UI as it needs to be easy to input the passphrase14:30
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lcuk_meegoippreboot environment, can we run qt apps there? ;)14:30
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Bostiklcuk_meegoip: I was actually thinking of devices *without* a keyboard...14:31
lcuk_meegoipBostik: so was I :)14:31
test34if you get a few bad sectors on an encrypted disk, does the full disk automatically go bad?14:31
Bostikwe'd have to use inird approach14:31
test34(I mean the data)14:32
lcuk_meegoipwe were discussing a predictive vkb last night http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard14:32
Bostiktest34: only for the sectors involved (and usually at most one subsequent block beyond)14:32
test34ok Bostik14:32
lcuk_meegoipthat one block might be the most important one tho!14:33
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lcuk_meegoipmorning Ash!14:33
dm8tbrlcuk_meegoip: there are 10 kinds of people, those who make backups and those who will start making backups in the future...14:33
lcuk_meegoipextremely true.14:34
* lcuk_meegoip must link n900 to ideapad asap, i cant make notes on the screen on this14:35
Bostikbut I know for a fact that at least OMAP's hw-AES has a driver in mainline kernel tree14:35
Bostik(and coworker wrote the 3DES one last week out of boredom)14:35
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NooBmonk3yhow many ideapads did they give out?!14:39
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timeless_mbpNooBmonk3y: count(conf_attendees) - count(nokia_sponsored) - count(intel_sponsored)14:39
NooBmonk3ytrust me to get a geeky answer14:40
timeless_mbpit should have been >500 iiuc14:40
timeless_mbpand probably <100014:40
Bostikintel is slowly phasing in their AES instruction set, but for the time being it's restricted to their top-of-the-line chips only :/14:40
lbts/_sponsored/_employed/g14:40
timeless_mbplbt: no14:40
timeless_mbpi got one14:40
timeless_mbpbecause i was LF sponsored14:41
NooBmonk3yawww i want one! lol14:41
timeless_mbpNooBmonk3y: you'll need a time machine then14:41
timeless_mbp(or you could buy one)14:41
lbtI got one too ... because I wasn't employed (external)14:41
timeless_mbpstrange thing happened to me14:41
timeless_mbpi went to work friday and saw one on a coworker's desk (right next to my desk)14:41
timeless_mbpi asked him how he got one, because he's a nokia employee14:41
timeless_mbpit didn't occur to me that someone could actually buy one w/ his/her own money :o14:42
timeless_mbpbut ... it turns out you can :)14:42
lcuk_meegoiptimeless_mbp: after the main rush of devices to participants were over a number of devices were given to employees also14:42
NooBmonk3y:P14:42
lcuk_meegoipespecially those who had a need for them14:42
CosmoHillyay, my program now produces the same output on 1, 4 and 32 cores :D14:42
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: yeah i heard a rumor to that effect14:42
timeless_mbpbut i wasn't in that14:43
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lcuk_meegoipyou had already gotten one earlier14:43
lcuk_meegoipso had no need to14:43
timeless_mbpyep14:43
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timeless_mbpi guess the answer is probably 800 or 90014:43
timeless_mbpit's possible someone will blog about the actual number14:43
lcuk_meegoip"lots"14:44
Stskeepsabout 1100 attendees, at least14:44
* lcuk_meegoip recharges batteries14:45
timeless_mbpwhat's the "ip" in your nick?14:46
lcuk_meegoipideapad14:46
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timeless_mbphrm, what happened to timeless_ideapad ?14:47
lcuk_meegoipon twitter they were making a hash tag and after a few variations, it was mentioned meego should be the principle part of the key14:47
lcuk_meegoipit went to sleep most likely14:47
timeless_mbpyep14:47
timeless_mbpso should i be timeless_w7ip ?14:48
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lcuk_meegoipthe screen on this machine is very bright and clear :)14:49
lcuk_meegoipfingerprint smudges make the bright ui and light colors look ugly :P14:50
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timeless_w7ipok, now i conform, kinda :)14:50
lcuk_meegoipyou will never conform :)14:51
lcuk_meegoipdid you get your slides/photos uploaded?14:51
superhhi everyone, what's the cheapest OS to try meego?14:52
superhcheapest hardware...14:52
lcuk_meegoipwhat have you already got#14:52
superhi was looking for a tablet14:52
superhi just have 2 laptops14:53
lcuk_meegoipsee a doctor14:53
smokuthere is no meego for tablet yet14:53
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timeless_mbphttp://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/14:53
nialaj #qt-fr14:53
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: ^ kinda14:54
timeless_mbpi need to get a tool to let me do mass crops14:54
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superhsmoku it does support touch screen right?14:54
lcuk_meegoiphmm you mean the same crop window across all the photos?14:54
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: i think http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/control%20panel%20easier%20to%20use.png14:54
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: yeah14:54
lcuk_meegoipsuperh: yes we have meego netbook edition on our shiny lenovo ideapads14:54
timeless_mbpbasically http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/mht120.png and friends should mostly be cropped to the same position14:55
timeless_mbp(where the clock is...)14:55
smokusuperh, yes, you can move the mouse pointer using the touch screen. is that "support"?14:55
lcuk_meegoiptimeless_mbp: wth14:55
lcuk_meegoipproblem steps recorder?14:55
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: you've never met psr?14:55
timeless_mbpit's my best friend14:55
timeless_mbp(especially since w7starter doesn't have snipping tool :( )14:55
lcuk_meegoipis that visual screenshots or using tdriver for qt apps?14:55
superhthat sucks14:56
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: psr does this14:56
timeless_mbpit does more too14:56
NooBmonk3yhmmm how can i make a qcomboboxes' icon larger? :|14:56
timeless_mbpit takes notes about what you clicked, what you typed, lets you add comments and draw boxes14:56
lcuk_meegoipNooBmonk3y: move closer to the screen14:56
timeless_mbpthen it generates a web page that you can view as a slide show14:56
NooBmonk3ylol lcuk14:56
lcuk_meegoiphm14:56
superh"on our" well i don't have a ideapad ;)14:56
lcuk_meegoippackaged for meego?14:56
NooBmonk3ythe icons are just too tiny to see, and if i put a large icon in it just resizes it14:57
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: ... [w7 psr.exe from microsoft...]14:57
lcuk_meegoipwell that sucks donkey balls14:57
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: there's actually something nowhere near as cool being developed @nokia14:57
lcuk_meegoipwill they open source it?14:57
* timeless_mbp chuckles14:57
timeless_mbpi need to get the nokia folks to spend more time looking at the windows impl14:57
timeless_mbpthe nokia impl was developed for maemo14:57
timeless_mbpw/ the same general goals as the ms app14:57
timeless_mbpjust w/o the design knowledge14:58
lcuk_meegoipwell for the testrunner type apps using tdriver, it should work cross platform for qt apps at least14:58
superhi have an ideapad brother i guess :) but ithink it doesn't support meego because it runs on a Penryn core14:58
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timeless_mbpsuperh: download a usb stick image and find out?14:58
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: anyway, got a tool that can crop for me? :)14:58
superhisn't meego only for atom cpu?14:58
thpis the mideapad accelerometer easily accessible through sysfs or somesuch?14:59
timeless_mbpthp: i tried to get someone to look for it in /sys and friends14:59
timeless_mbphe didn't indicate finding it14:59
lcuk_meegoiptimeless_mbp: nope, i had trouble finding a tool to convert pdf to png14:59
Stskeepsthp: look in /dev/input14:59
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: heh14:59
lcuk_meegoipsame problem, in amiga days arexx would allow this kind of scripting#14:59
* lcuk_meegoip cant remember the name of the paint package used for that tho :P15:00
timeless_mbphttp://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php15:00
* lolloo facepalm15:00
lcuk_meegoipahh yes kotzcarny uses that for some things with his osci15:01
superhanother question by any chance does nokia provide tool to boot old phones with meego?15:01
timeless_mbptimeless-mbp:mozilla-central timeless$ sudo port install ImageMagick15:01
sp3000well, that'll do both15:01
superhfor example e63, e71 e7?15:01
timeless_mbpsuperh: snowball's chance?15:01
timeless_mbpsuperh: the symbian phones are highly unlikely to see alternative firmware loaders15:02
timeless_mbpthey generally require signed binaries15:02
superhno one hacked that?15:02
sp3000dunno, the chances for snowballs look pretty good outside15:02
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lcuk_meegoipsuperh lrn2research, many older phones had extremely different chipsets to do the work and emulating that hardware is a tough problem15:02
timeless_mbpsp3000: ooh, true15:02
timeless_mbpsnowballs in HEL!15:02
* lcuk_meegoip wants virtual 321015:02
superhis the arm v supported by meego?15:02
timeless_mbpsuperh: probably not15:02
* lcuk_meegoip pokes RST38h 15:02
timeless_mbpmost people don't want to remember arm v615:03
timeless_mbplet alone arm v515:03
thpStskeeps: tried all of /dev/input/event*, but no luck :/15:03
lcuk_meegoipmorning thp \p15:03
lcuk_meegoip\o15:03
superhmiss the 615:03
timeless_mbpthp: you can look through /sys for the files that mozilla looks through (see logs from yesterday?)15:03
sp3000\r\n15:03
superhit's not that bad15:03
timeless_mbpsuperh: are you a dev or a user?15:03
lcuk_meegoipsp3000 am I right that you and timeless_mbp are normally  in the same building15:04
thplcuk_meegoip: hey ho15:04
superhdev15:04
thptimeless_mbp: mozilla reads the accelerometer?15:04
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: we usually share a desk during weekdays15:04
superhi work at microelectronic company for ip15:04
lcuk_meegoipthought so :)15:04
timeless_mbpthp: uhuh15:04
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: today's a sunday though...15:04
lcuk_meegoipi know15:04
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superhand i like OS's15:04
* timeless_mbp likes pony's15:04
timeless_mbpi think i can make an exception for snowballs15:04
thptimeless_mbp: what for? ;)15:04
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* lcuk_meegoip likes guinness15:05
superhi like Super Bock15:05
timeless_mbpthp: the paths mozilla uses to find the accelerometer15:05
timeless_mbpit can be a useful hint in a basic search15:05
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* timeless_mbp grumbles15:05
timeless_mbpport installs way too much junk just to give me imagemagick15:05
thptimeless_mbp: nice, didn't know mozilla had an accelerometer API - just googled it after you said so :p15:06
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timeless_mbpthp: i was going to say "coming soon to a device near you"15:06
timeless_mbpbut um... it's probably already *available* on a device near you :)15:06
timeless_mbp(it supports the n900 among a handful of other devices, including mbp's)15:07
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* timeless_mbp goes to try bzr uncommit15:08
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Mat_Matanbry15:08
Mat_Matan*hi15:08
lcuk_meegoip~ping15:09
infobot~pong15:09
dm8tbrsiema15:09
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Mat_Matandm8tbr: o, polak :D15:09
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Chanicrap. the internet on my n900 is cutting out every minute or so15:10
superhi was googling arroud for info regarding the scmp that the E63, or the E71 used15:10
Chanioh well, i should be offline anyways15:11
lcuk_meegoipchani try rebooting and are you on pr1.3?15:11
Chani..hmm. sure, *now* it stays up..15:11
lcuk_meegoipheh15:11
superhdoes anyone knows a good source of info for that?15:11
Chanilcuk_meegoip: 1.2 and tried that15:11
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dm8tbrMat_Matan: nooo :)15:12
Chanialtohugh. it might have sometihng to do with pete's torrenting... heh15:12
lcuk_meegoipwhat are you doing on 1.2 o_O you should be on 1.3 and making full use of the nicer qt onboard :P15:12
superhis it a FreeScale MXC300-30 ?15:12
lcuk_meegoipare you still in bed? :D15:12
* lcuk_meegoip is15:12
sp3000what are you w.... er15:12
Chanilcuk_meegoip: heard scary things about upgrades gone wrong, decided to wait15:12
Chaniaanyways15:12
lcuk_meegoipreasonable enough15:12
Chanii'm going afk15:12
* Mek hasn't even upgraded to 1.1 yet :P15:13
lcuk_meegoipits a shame theres no clock on the screen on this ip, i would know how lazy i am being15:13
RST38hehlolcuk, what "ip" are you talking about?15:15
lcuk_meegoipideapad15:15
dm8tbrlet's call it IPv5 ;)15:15
RST38hAh that one...15:15
RST38hYou still have original software on it?15:16
sivangniala: pong15:16
sivangHI all!15:16
lcuk_meegoipRST38h: yeah its got meego netbook :P15:16
sivangtimeless_mbp: uncommit, yes :)15:16
timeless_mbpsivang: why didn't i think of that15:16
sivangtimeless_mbp: I wanted to suggest it, but then it felt just as unintuitive as the rest of stuff we discussed last night about bzr, and I thought there has to be better way15:17
timeless_mbpsivang: the output is awesome...15:17
sivangtimeless_mbp: uncommit just add comment or stuff seems un-natural workflow15:17
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sivangtimeless_mbp: </sarcasm> ?15:17
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timeless_mbpyes15:17
timeless_mbp  bzr pull . -r revid:timeless@gmail.com-20101121005543-mev1lvesv3x3fybs15:18
timeless_mbpnow... question of the day: where the heck did it hide this?15:18
timeless_mbpbecause it doesn't seem to be a file in my working directory15:18
RST38hlcuk: oh lenovo actually went ahead with meego netbook as their consumer UI?15:18
RST38hunbelievable =)15:18
sivangtimeless_mbp: I've ever seen such revid in my life, and I've been working for a while with bzr15:18
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timeless_mbpChani: 1.3 has been out for ages15:19
lcuk_meegoiphow do i do strikethro on the wiki?15:19
RST38h<strike> ? =)15:19
timeless_mbpChani: i convinced sivang to upgrade a week ago15:19
* sivang wonders if there were any fixes to 1.3 since it was unofficially released15:20
lcuk_meegoiphmm wiki.meego.com help pages have an error on the header template of every page about cannot create thumbnail15:22
lcuk_meegoiphttp://wiki.meego.com/Help:Formatting15:22
superhmeego uses X server? :/15:22
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* lcuk_meegoip shakes head at thumbnailing being a universal problem ;)15:22
timeless_mbpsivang: there are packages which were fixed after 1.3 was shipped15:23
sivangtimeless_mbp: nice, so I can now actually upgrade15:23
timeless_mbpbut the one i know of (security whatever) wasn't integrated anywhere15:23
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zinitmorning15:25
sivangtimeless_mbp: oh, I just read some reports about regression with it and never got to upgrade, although some noted it just worked.15:25
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zinithow was it you kill pm window's in irssi? completely forgot:P15:26
lcuk_meegoipRST38h: i did not see any other OS on my ideapad, there were instructions on the board and usb key which were followed by practically all15:27
sp3000zinit: switch to something else and forget about it? :)15:27
WakiMikozinit: /q or /window close15:27
zinitsp3000: hehe. running irc in a screen on a remote server15:27
sp3000still, that's what I do :)15:27
sp3000then again I never switch to anything but "active" and 115:28
zinit:P15:28
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zinithavent got xchat working in meego yet, so using irssi from a debian machine I got at the gandi.net system15:28
lcuk_meegoiptimoph: do you have the links,notes to your repository with xchat and stuff in it?15:29
zinitif anyone need to get the meego isntall image I got it on my server there (alot faster than the meego.com site)15:29
lcuk_meegoipzinit: which image?15:30
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zinitlcuk_meegoip: the install image to install meego15:30
zinitupped it there a few days ago15:31
lcuk_meegoipyeah, which variant/build15:31
zinit1.215:31
zinitsec, and I15:31
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zinithttp://zinit.servebeer.com/div15:31
zinitits there15:31
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zinitshould say the buildnumber there15:31
zinit1.1 it sais15:32
zinit1.2 isnt out yet is it?15:32
lcuk_meegoiptheres no sources/release notes/information about contents.  thats a massive binary blob on non official servers..15:33
lcuk_meegoipdamn i lost my ciggy lighter15:33
kyb3Ra survey for MeeGo contributors has been released. More information can be found here: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=202215:34
kyb3Rsorry if that was considered spamming....15:34
zinitwget doesnt seem to work though..15:35
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zinitthe image on my server is the one that was on the official site on thursday. dont know if ther ehas been released a new one since thursday afternoon15:36
lcuk_meegoipkyb3R: it says the results will be released,  since we are all open, how about also releasing the anonymised data itself rather than just conclusions?15:36
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/15:36
timeless_mbpnow with cropped images!15:36
timeless_mbpls *.png|xargs -I {} convert {} -crop '424x260+620+340'  x/{}15:37
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lcuk_meegoipneat timeless :)15:37
timeless_mbpkyb3R: um15:37
timeless_mbp90-95% of your respondents will be Male15:38
timeless_mbpdefaulting to Female is asking for bad data15:38
timeless_mbpunless you're testing to see what portion of the male population is capable of filling out a form15:38
kyb3Rtimeless_mbp: defaultinh to male is better?15:38
timeless_mbpdefaulting to --- and mandatory is best15:38
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kyb3Rok15:38
timeless_mbpbut yes, picking Male for a 2 state is better than using a 2 state and defaulting to female15:39
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timeless_mbpkyb3R: since i'm picking through this...15:39
kyb3Rlcuk_meegoip: could be an option too to release the data too15:39
timeless_mbpyour questions are in typical en-FI15:39
timeless_mbp> 3.What is your gender?15:40
* lcuk_meegoip ponders the breakpoint for educational studies and how to get some more certificates :P15:40
timeless_mbpyou're missing a space after <.>15:40
timeless_mbpyou should use <ul> + <li> and let the browser do that for you :)15:40
kyb3R:)15:40
timeless_mbp> What is the year of your birth?15:40
kyb3Rit's an automated system15:40
timeless_mbpAsk "what year were you born in?"15:40
kyb3Ri dont write the HTML15:40
timeless_mbpit isn't automated15:40
timeless_mbpthe others aren't missing the space15:40
timeless_mbp> What is your work situation?15:41
pexithere are bigger bias issues than strict html, just complete the survey :)15:41
kyb3Rreferring to your comment: 15:43 < timeless_mbp> you should use <ul> + <li> and let the browser do that for you :)15:41
timeless_mbpWhat is your employment status?15:41
lcuk_meegoiplol pexi15:41
timeless_mbp... and the answers should be "employed (full-time)", "employed (part-time)", ...15:42
timeless_mbpdon't use "I ..." for answers15:42
timeless_mbp> Is the job...15:42
timeless_mbpdon't use that form15:42
lcuk_meegoipkyb3R: since i am taking part in this, i would very kindly request you are proactive in ensuring the data collected is also made available.  i will then be happy to fill in the survey on a schedule :)15:42
timeless_mbpand try to avoid mixing "in" and "on" prepositions15:42
lcuk_meegoipie more than the vague thing you said :P15:42
timeless_mbp(best to avoid them entirely by fixing the question to not need them)15:42
kyb3Rlcuk_meegoip: if it's needed, then it will be released :)15:42
timeless_mbpin en-<proper> you do not work <on> the private sector15:43
timeless_mbpthe sector is a container, and you're said to work <in> it15:43
timeless_mbp(unless you're a government agent working to "fix" the private sector)15:43
lcuk_meegoipkyb3R: you are asking meego people who care about openness, it is needed.15:43
timeless_mbpkyb3R: lcuk_meegoip's right15:43
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pexiadd some questions like i had trouble filling this questionnare (and i don't have asberger) to make'em happy :)15:43
timeless_mbpyou're asking for data from an open community, to some extent you need to provide the data back15:43
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fcrochikCan anybody help me with some light on an OBS issue? I can't get pass the %prep and I am running out of guesses15:44
pexiofc they bring information15:44
timeless_mbpfcrochik: heh15:44
timeless_mbpkyb3R: and NGO isn't "the third sector"15:45
pexiactually raw data would be nice :)15:45
timeless_mbpthere's the "third world" (which is where a number of NGOs work)15:45
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: there is nothing I tried that will let me get anything different than https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik&repository=meego_1.1_extras_Netbook15:45
zinitgot one little problem here with meego... no wget, any suggestions how to get that in with the package system that exist for meego?15:45
timeless_mbpzinit: try man curl?15:45
lcuk_meegoipzypper install wget?15:45
zinitsais wget wasnt there15:46
lcuk_meegoiprevdkathy got it on15:46
timeless_mbpman curl15:46
lcuk_meegoipi think she has timoph's repo tho15:46
timeless_mbpfor some insane reason distro people like curl (it's more unixy) over wget (which is more user friendly)15:46
sp3000they're both a bit weird imo15:47
timeless_mbp+ $'\r'15:47
zinitcurl's here.15:47
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: I tried all the variants I could come up with for the %prep section but doesn't make any difference... it seems that is failing with the same errors regardless of what I have under the %prep section....15:47
* lcuk_meegoip fills in the survey but i think some details will be out of date15:47
timeless_mbpfcrochik: you should get it to cat the file15:47
sp3000like, income will be out of date after taxes ;)15:47
kyb3Rlcuk_meegoip: such as?15:47
timeless_mbpthere's something wrong w/ the line after 'unset DISPLAY'15:47
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lcuk_meegoipkyb3R: details, i might fill it in twice :P15:48
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: I don15:48
kyb3Rlcuk_meegoip: ah ok15:48
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: I don't have unset DISPLAY anywhere...it is something the OBS is creating by itself15:48
timeless_mbpfcrochik: well err :)15:48
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timeless_mbpmacuco' /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/macuco2.spec15:48
timeless_mbpExecuting(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.hvzHS015:48
timeless_mbpodds are the tmp file came from that spec file15:48
timeless_mbpso you'd want to look at the spec file15:49
timeless_mbpit looks like a script was expecting output and got a strange line feed instead15:49
timeless_mbpand then more or less tried to execute it15:49
timeless_mbp(which rarely works)15:49
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: that is what I have tried for the past many hours since I got access to the obs.... but doesn't matter what I change on the spec file I get the same result15:49
timeless_mbpfcrochik: try 'file macuco2.spec' ?15:49
sp3000or dos2unix or suchlike15:50
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: where? try what?15:50
timeless_mbpfcrochik: somewhere where your package sources are15:50
timeless_mbp...15:50
sp3000random carriage returns make for the most exciting problems :D15:50
timeless_mbpyeah, or just dos2unix as sp3000 noted (may require installing dos2unix...)15:50
timeless_mbpsp3000: hey, i haven't hit one of those in at least... a week?15:51
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: I created it and changed it several times... no matter how simple or complex I make it I always get the same result.... I wonder if it is not something else... I haven't found any packages that were actually created recently15:51
lcuk_meegoipkyb3R: the survey assumes I have a single focus on device type, i have multiple handsets around me and am using meego netbook now, but only one option is available15:52
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: if you know about spec can you look at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=macuco2.spec&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik?15:52
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: sorry.... added a question mark to the url: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=macuco2.spec&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik15:52
timeless_mbpmy irc client ignored your ? mark :)15:52
GAN900fcrochik, nice pic of you on my flickr page.15:52
fcrochikGAN900: where? I have never seen I nice pict of myself :(15:53
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timeless_mbpfcrochik: sadly it's rather hard to trust a web server about line endings15:53
timeless_mbpand i don't know obs well enough to know how raw raw is15:53
GAN900fcrochik, generalantilles on flickr15:54
timeless_mbpoh wow15:54
timeless_mbpgoogle has a "Search flickr.com" button15:54
kyb3Rlcuk_meegoip: the question includes word 'primary' for that reason. If you are referring to the Q:19b15:55
timeless_mbpsp3000: aww http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2883122372/in/photostream/15:55
timeless_mbpflickr doesn't think the cat has a face15:55
GAN900fcrochik, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193491175/15:56
timeless_mbpGAN900: context... Picasa likes to accuse statues of having faces15:56
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fcrochikGAN900: hey I look as good as ever! :)15:56
timeless_mbpooh, i was shot! http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193491967/in/set-72157625434963604/15:57
GAN900timeless_mbp, got a few more, those were the first tier shots, though.15:57
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timeless_mbpsp3000: check out the face in the top left corner http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193488127/in/set-72157625434963604/15:58
timeless_mbpit's Qole :)15:58
sp3000impressive15:59
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* timeless_mbp feels better now15:59
lcuk_meegoipawesome I am on a picture :D16:00
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip =~ s/on/in/16:00
timeless_mbpunless you're sitting on it...16:00
timeless_mbpfcrochik: some of us having been doing OSS for a while16:00
timeless_mbpyou should have an option "I can't remember"16:00
timeless_mbpalso, I think MeeGo is in its first year16:01
timeless_mbpso asking which year someone got income from MeeGo in is mostly a stupid question16:01
RST38hThat may be a British way to say it16:01
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kyb3Rthe same survey will be done yearly, so that's why the question is there16:02
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timeless_mbpkyb3R: "annually" :)16:02
kyb3Rsorry16:02
timeless_mbpkyb3R: this is for your benefit, not mine16:02
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timeless_mbp> 13.On average, how many hours per week do you use on MeeGo development?16:02
timeless_mbps/use/spend/16:02
infobottimeless_mbp meant: > 13.On average, how many hours per week do you spend on MeeGo development?16:02
w00tsurvey?16:02
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: it is very hard when you don't know what you are doing .... took me a while to figure out the autobuilder on maemo and now I have this :(16:02
timeless_mbpw00t: "NEEDSWORK"16:02
lcuk_meegoipfeedback16:02
lcuk_meegoipfeedforward16:03
timeless_mbpfcrochik: yeah16:03
sp3000formfeed16:03
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timeless_mbpfcrochik: i'd suggest trying to build a basic rpm locally16:03
lcuk_meegoipE:PRINTERONFIRE16:03
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timeless_mbp> 14.If working on Meego is part of your job, please tell the name of the company that employs you. (The information is kept confidential.)16:03
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: I have to say that this is one option that I haven't had considered :)16:03
timeless_mbpkyb3R: please spell MeeGo consistently (and correctly)16:04
lcuk_meegoipGAN900: awesome shot16:04
lcuk_meegoiphttp://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193490049/in/set-72157625434963604/16:04
* lcuk_meegoip rarely has photos of him16:04
lcuk_meegoipself16:04
timeless_mbpkyb3R: s/please tell the name of the company.*/what company do you work for?/16:04
RST38hlcuk: Was there bacon in the box?16:05
timeless_mbp>15.When companies give money to a community, it should be free to decide how to use it?16:05
timeless_mbpkyb3R: the question here is ambiguous16:05
* NooBmonk3y blinks16:05
lcuk_meegoipRST38h: for once, no16:05
timeless_mbpdo you mean <company>/<companies> or <community>16:05
sp3000pffft, the singular it totally resolves that ;)16:05
* lcuk_meegoip had sleeves rolled up and was getting involved \o/16:05
timeless_mbpsp3000: yeah yeah16:06
timeless_mbpit's better to write "Communities should be free to use money donated by companies however they please"16:06
timeless_mbpsp3000: i think my parser expanded it as:16:07
fcrochikthat is something new: segmentation fault on zypper trying to install rpmbuild....16:07
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lcuk_meegoipmy god at full resolution thats a decent camera GAN90016:07
timeless_mbpWhen companies give money to a community, each company ...16:07
timeless_mbpfcrochik: sounds like apt :)16:07
timeless_mbpyou should feel right at home :)16:07
timeless_mbpis this sudo16:07
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: yes!16:08
timeless_mbpsp3000: are you a meego dev?16:08
sp3000yea, the rhythm seems to suggest that16:08
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: never had this issue with apt :)16:08
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sp3000timeless_mbp: I don't do labels :)16:08
timeless_mbp> 17.During the last year, how often have you had face-to-face contacts with other MeeGo developers (on average)?16:08
timeless_mbpsp3000: you have to so i can answer question 17 :)16:08
fcrochiktimeless_mbp: with this success rate I am just going to shutdown my ideapad and go back to the n900... It is so much nicer to me! :)16:08
sp3000is there a "maybe"?16:08
timeless_mbpno16:09
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timeless_mbpdaily, weekly, monthly, more than once a year, once a year, never16:09
Robot101why does chromium seem to work so much worse on the ideapad than my laptop?16:09
timeless_mbpkyb3R: in the context of a year "once a year" should just be "once"16:09
Robot101pages lock up *all the time*16:09
Robot101is it a duff version or something?16:09
timeless_mbpand "more than once a year" should be "a couple of times"16:09
timeless_mbp(a couple is understood to be <<12)16:10
timeless_mbp> 19. b) What is the primary device type for your MeeGo development?16:10
w00tRobot101: lock up how?16:10
sp3000I think I may have maintained a patch queue for something that appears somewhere16:11
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: this is the question you didn't like?16:11
sp3000I think that makes me a janitor16:11
w00ti've noticed problems with flash on there at least16:11
timeless_mbpsp3000: you're definitely a janitor16:11
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w00tbut haven't yet been able to find specifically what causes it16:11
timeless_mbpthat wasn't in the list of options16:11
lcuk_meegoiptimeless_mbp: sure, it should be multichoice16:11
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timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: tbh, i don't understand the question16:11
timeless_mbpis it "what do you use", "what do you build on", "what do you build for", or something else?16:11
lcuk_meegoipRobot101: depends what sites perhaps?  i had flash crash once and kill youtube I was playing and all other tabs16:11
timeless_mbpi probably build on my mbp16:12
timeless_mbptoday i probably use my ideapad16:12
timeless_mbpand tomorrow i probably build for handset16:12
sp3000timeless_mbp: debian tends to make some distinction between creatures like maintainers and developers16:12
timeless_mbpsp3000: clearly for good reason16:12
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timeless_mbptell that to kyb3R (possibly in finnish, maybe it'd be easier for him?)16:12
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fcrochikok...something "funny".... on the ideapad "sudo zypper install rpm-build" crashes with segmentation fault when downloading elfutils-lib... if I install it by itself and then the rest it works... it is just my luck these days!16:13
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timeless_mbpfcrochik: stackwanted16:14
timeless_mbpbugwanted16:14
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timeless_mbphrm, dinner for yesterday wanted16:14
* timeless_mbp considers16:14
RST38hfcrochik: gdb it and figure out what is wrong?16:14
timeless_mbpsp3000: have you had food?16:14
timeless_mbp(sp3000 no longer lives i Espoo)16:14
timeless_mbpRST38h: if you're going to say that you should be willing to do some hand holding :)16:14
timeless_mbplike steps to install debug symbols for zypper :)16:15
Robot101lcuk_meegoip: no, just loads and loads of sites - flash, youtube, last.fm, twitter, we7, etc, all crashing and hanging randomly16:15
* RST38h is ok with handholding in this case16:15
timeless_mbp> 21.If you have participated in proprietary software development, what role have you had?16:15
sp3000no, but I have plans for for the next 2h or so16:15
lcuk_meegoipeek Robot101 thats not good at all16:15
Robot101w00t: pages just stopping responding, and sometimes it does the whole, page has crashed, thing16:15
timeless_mbpsp3000: plans for food?16:15
RST38hNo netbooks or Meego here, so my handholding will be limited by whatever google codesearch finds16:15
Robot101the rest of everything on the netbook works fine, and chromium works much better for me everywhere else16:16
timeless_mbpis a product which is derived from open source software considered proprietary?16:16
sivangtimeless_mbp: feedback from conf?16:16
sp3000no, other stuff :)16:16
timeless_mbpsp3000: hrm, i might be able to wait 2 hours16:16
timeless_mbpping me when you're done?16:16
timeless_mbpsivang: a survey which needs a lot more work than your slides16:16
sivangtimeless_mbp: ha ha ha16:16
sivangtimeless_mbp: :)16:17
sivangtimeless_mbp: where is it?16:17
sp3000k16:17
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timeless_mbpsomewhere a couple hundred lines back, b kyb3R16:17
timeless_mbp> I participate only as much is needed to use the system16:18
timeless_mbpkyb3R: s/is/as/16:18
GAN900What is the point of making a convertible netbook if the viewing angle is so shit that you can't see the screen right from dead center?16:18
timeless_mbpkyb3R: note that you shouldn't use a agree/netural/disagree16:18
* GAN900 stabs Lenovo to death.16:18
timeless_mbpGAN900: heh16:18
timeless_mbpkyb3R: you need to support things like "sometimes"16:18
timeless_mbpe.g. there are some projects where i only contribute to get things working16:18
timeless_mbpand there are some projects where i contribute a lot more16:19
* kyb3R is taking notes16:19
GAN900Turning itself off for no reason when you're rotating the screen is also cool.16:19
timeless_mbpkyb3R: :)16:19
timeless_mbpGAN900: hrm, i don't think i recall that16:19
RST38hgan: gotta have the right specs sheet and the right price16:19
sivangtimeless_mbp: right, found it16:19
RST38hgan: screen quality is not a requirement though16:20
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timeless_mbp> Form is going to be submitted.16:20
timeless_mbp> Proceed16:20
timeless_mbpkyb3R: hrm.. that's not what you want to write16:20
timeless_mbptry taking some surveys from american firms16:20
timeless_mbp(or british, it hardly matters)16:20
timeless_mbp> Finish (Send all Data)16:21
timeless_mbpalso not the right text16:21
sivangtimeless_mbp: are the spelling mistakes so bad? ;)16:21
timeless_mbp> The data has been successfully saved!16:21
timeless_mbpsivang: spelling mistakes are *always* bad16:21
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GAN900RST38h, wish I had kept the box. Would probably sell it.16:21
* timeless_mbp filed a bug about lenovo misspelling Firefox16:21
sivangtimeless_mbp: I used OOo's  spelling checker :-p16:21
timeless_mbpsivang: you need to use a grammar checker too :)16:21
timeless_mbpdunno if OOo has one16:21
GAN900Might've gotten me partially to a MacBook Air.16:22
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timeless_mbpsivang: actually, your spelling wasn't bad at all16:22
timeless_mbpGAN900: i have a box here16:22
RST38hgan: well, it is still usable as a torrent/file/media server16:22
timeless_mbpwell, i hope so16:22
sivangtimeless_mbp: well, for someone who's not a native speaker, working his ass off on the slides and data gathering until last minute before the talk, I think it turned out to be quite good ;)16:22
* timeless_mbp hasn't opened luggage after it arrived last night16:22
timeless_mbpsivang: oh, it did16:22
GAN900RST38h, I've got plenty of things for that.16:22
timeless_mbpi'm trying to compare your rather good text to the survey i just finished16:22
sivangtimeless_mbp: grammer is always hard, indeed16:22
timeless_mbpwhich was abysmal16:22
timeless_mbpkyb3R: one other detail...16:23
RST38hgan: will it play full-sized videos without hiccups btw?16:23
sivangtimeless_mbp: heh, coming from you, I feel complimented as you I know your attentions to these details and appreciate it.16:23
sivangs/you//16:23
infobotsivang meant: timeless_mbp: heh, coming from , I feel complimented as you I know your attentions to these details and appreciate it.16:23
timeless_mbpthat s/// failed ;-)16:23
sivanghaha16:23
sivangit di!16:23
sivangdid16:23
timeless_mbpsivang: glad you understood it correctly16:23
timeless_mbpkyb3R: i'm not sure what the license MeeGo has for its Art16:24
sivangtimeless_mbp: I wish I was natie speaker, maybe if I get to relocate I will go to study *proper* english abroad.16:24
sivang*native16:24
timeless_mbp:)16:24
RST38h#define proper English16:24
BostikOxford? ;)16:24
timeless_mbpRST38h: en-IL and en-RU and en-FI are *not* proper16:24
timeless_mbpnor is en-IT for that matter16:24
lcuk_meegoipen-MANC is :P16:25
RST38htimeless: Neither is en-US, you despicable scoundrel!16:25
lcuk_meegoiptho sometimes we need subtitles16:25
* RST38h cackles with satisfaction16:25
kyb3R:)16:25
timeless_mbpRST38h: properly tagged en-US is valid16:25
timeless_mbpproperly tagged en-GB is valid16:25
zinitthere is no such thing as "proper english". all english speaking countries have their own definition:P16:25
timeless_mbpmistagged en-US/en-GB is not16:25
timeless_mbpzinit: speaking en-GB and thinking it's en-US isn't proper16:26
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timeless_mbpand the converse16:26
lcuk_meegoipzinit: even in england there is a wide variety of accents and differences16:26
zinitexacly16:26
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timeless_mbpalso, en-GB-cockney isn't proper English16:26
timeless_mbpit may be spoken by some of The English16:26
timeless_mbpbut it isn't proper16:26
zinitexacly...16:26
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* kyb3R will take several English courses before submitting a new survey, perhaps even spend some time with ppl who speak proper English16:27
zinitask a londoner, a welsh, a scot, and an irishman... they all speak english, and they will say they speak "proper" englisg and the others dont..16:27
lcuk_meegoipi saw something about Oulu having a huge amount of bike paths16:27
lcuk_meegoipdo they also have bike hire?16:27
RST38hzinit: Well, a spoken language is usually a living thing, it changes with time and allows for variations16:28
zinityepp16:28
RST38hzinit: As to written language, different people have different views16:29
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zinityepp16:29
* timeless_mbp sighs16:29
timeless_mbpsp3000: view-source:http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/16:29
RST38hzinit: There are some who allow for variations, and then there are grammar nazis =)16:29
zinitin norway we got a gouvernment counsel for that...16:29
zinitthey are the worst...16:29
sp3000timeless_mbp: hm?16:30
RST38hzinit: In Japan, the NHK (!) publishes a list of new words annually16:30
timeless_mbpzinit: France and Germany and Japan (?) have similar16:30
timeless_mbp    <td nowrap valign=top align=right><a href="/ideapad/source/comicchat%20meego.png"><img 'class='file icon' ALIGN=ABSBOTTOM BORDER=0 SRC="/icons/image2.gif"></a></td>16:30
timeless_mbpsp3000: note the extra single quote before class?16:30
zinitthere are 2 written languages in norway... one is basicly danish with some norwegian words, and thee other is fabricated from dialects in a small geographic area...16:30
RST38hzinit: There are no other ways they formalize their language, AFAIK16:30
timeless_mbp(fixed in local instance)16:30
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sp3000heh16:31
sivangRST38h: well, to be able to author content without breaking phrases, which often happens when you are not native. e.g. using a phrase in a wrong construct, wrong tense etc.16:31
sivangmore around what timeless_mbp said, I'd like to pick en-GB and stick to it, follow it properly16:31
timeless_mbplcuk_meegoip: reload http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/16:31
sivangcause now it is a mesh of phrases from tv, spoken british/american english, phrases I imported from Hebrew to English etc.16:32
RST38hsivang: Native speakers also make similar errors, all the time16:32
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sivangRST38h: I feel it is less in rate, though16:32
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sivangRST38h: but they do, sure16:32
RST38hsivang: Still, the kind of errors you make depends on your native language16:32
sivangRST38h: hence wanting to stick to one and propely follow it, yes16:32
timeless_mbpzinit: nb-NO/nb-NN or whatever16:32
RST38hsivang: Both Germans and Russians absolutely LOVE passive tense in English, for example =)16:33
timeless_mbpRST38h: and Finns16:33
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sivangRST38h: also, having practiced enough phrases and constructs in speech so when I get a bit nervous, like in the talk, I use the proper english constructs and import from Hebrew.16:33
sivangRST38h: :)16:33
RST38hsivang: Americans often mess up past/present times, in their own language16:33
zinitexacly... nb-NO is the danish with a few norwegian words, and nb-NN is the fabricated one16:34
sivangRST38h: instead of "importing from Hebrew" that is16:34
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timeless_mbpsp3000: i really need to do something about colspan16:34
frinringlbt: Hi! I would like to have my account activated for the community obs. My account name is "kossebau". I was told that you can do that :)16:35
timeless_mbpthe reason i don't normally let source work for big images is that you get lame jumping16:35
RST38hsivang: Very few people *speak* proper English any more, so do not worry :)16:35
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lcuk_meegoipfrinring: also X-Fade is able to, but since its Sunday it may be that you could wait till tomorrow, I believe there is also a wiki page somewhere to add name to and they can get round to it asap16:36
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berndhsRST38h: can't you just define your own locale if people complain ?16:36
sivangRST38h: :)16:36
timeless_mbpberndhs: language is a convention used to enable mutual understanding16:38
RST38hberndhs: Yes, just use the "I am an asshole." disclaimer =)16:38
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timeless_mbpif people don't understand your locale, your use of language is useless16:39
sivangRST38h: however, studying english is rather a pleasure for me, as well as dealing with it in any event. And I've always took interest in British literature and language. You can get a lot of insight into culture when studying a language, as I found out with Hungarian.16:39
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timeless_mbp(possibly quite harmful)16:39
RST38hsivang: I have found reading to be the best way to study though16:39
frinringlcuk_meegoip: thanks. any idea how to find that wiki page? is not referenced from http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started16:40
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RST38hsivang: As to English classes, dunno about the Brits, but the US ones were next to useless =(16:40
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lcuk_meegoipfrinring: it was mentioned in passing whilst I had no computer/irc to log from, we shall have to ensure its found and linked to that page for later, for now wait for lbt or X-Fade  to pick up your request and perhaps they will also know the url16:41
RST38hsivang: They do not teach English structurally, like it is done abroad, and the whole process just feels confusing16:41
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sivangRST38h: true,I should get more into proper redin16:42
sivangRST38h: e.g. less technical and more literature wise16:42
GAN900RST38h, which English classes?16:42
sivangtechnical authors tend to not be too good with the language16:42
sivang"seperate presentation from model" :-)16:43
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frinringlcuk_meegoip: okay, will stay tuned16:43
RST38hGAN: Standard stuff, ESL for immigrants, ENGL101, then some graduate writing class16:44
sp3000separate, too.16:44
RST38hGAN: ENGL101 was actually useful, to understand how everybody expects an essay to be structured16:44
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sivangsp3000: yes16:45
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tillHeya.16:46
GAN900RST38h, ah.16:46
sivanghey till16:46
tillWe're here at the KDE mobile sprint, playing with some of our apps on the IdeaPads16:47
tillThere seems to be a font quality problem in Qt, atm, has anyone researched that yet?16:47
tillMissing font package? Antialiasing turned off somewhere low level?16:47
sivangsp3000: this happens when you hear the word and write it how it sounds, instead of remembering how it is written, this always happens for words that the spelling is not as intuitive to the sound.16:47
sp3000seprät16:49
notmartanother nice video on the ideapad arriving btw :)16:50
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lcuk_meegohow much cpu.power does it take to maintain a bluetooth list of nearby devices?17:07
RST38hnot much17:07
lcuk_meegois it something that can be done in the background when in conference mode?17:07
lcuk_meegoand does it always take a long time to update?  for instance is it fast enough to make device ping when it recognises someone on the corridor17:08
lcuk_meegoas walking past them17:08
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notmartuhm, is the main repository down?17:09
notmartcan't seem to install base packages from zypper atm17:09
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notmartuhm, happens both in the chroot environment and from the lenovo17:18
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RST38hlcuk: It takes that long becauseit is achieved by scanning bt frequencies17:19
RST38hlcuk: And even if you have got a list, you won't be able to connect to any of these devices without pairing, which always includes a manual component17:19
RST38hlcuk: Could you explain the top view of what you would like to achieve? =)17:19
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mortenmjStskeeps: around?17:21
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Chanitill: people were talking about font problems the other day; i forget what they said though. something about subpixel rendering i think?17:33
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tillsub pixel hinting?17:35
* notmart sad that can't download dependencies in the chroot env to try local package building17:36
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notmartthe font issue seems just settings17:41
notmartforcing rto antialias in systemsettings does work17:41
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marnanelOn the OBS, when it asks you to upload files, should you upload the individual files needed to build, or a tarball as you'd put in ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES?17:43
notmarttarball17:43
marnanelcheers17:43
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mortenmjanother obs question, for anyone in the know. i depend on packages in meego-extras, so i need to link/aggregate, right? i'm trying but failing17:44
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mortenmjhere's what i've put in _aggregate: http://pastebin.ca/199798417:45
mortenmjthe obs tells me "missing repositories: MeeGo:1.1:Extras"17:47
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lcuk_ideagood morning Alison_Chaiken \o17:48
Alison_ChaikenGood morning lcuk.17:48
CosmoHillmeow17:48
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lcuki am finally out of bed anyway :)17:49
lcukside by side, meego netbook boots up much faster than ubuntu :)17:50
CosmoHillawesome17:50
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CosmoHillwait, it's almost 4pm17:50
RST38hmoblin people specifically worked toward boot time reduction17:50
lcukyeah, hence good morning!17:50
GeneralAntilleslcuk, lol, it's the best APS-C camera ever made.17:51
lcukyeah I know RST38h, only niggle is that its set to ask for password and it doesnt17:51
lcukGeneralAntilles, outstanding photos, bet you are glad you got it now17:51
RST38hNeither does Maemo! =)17:51
lcukgood point RST38h17:52
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lcukbut my laptop has a password and expects one17:52
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smokuhow do I install more than lastfm and twitter support in meego?17:52
lcukeasier to just keep my nokia in my pocket than a big laptop I might leave around17:52
GeneralAntilleslcuk, yeah, just wish I had gotten more pictures of Dublin on Sunday.17:52
lcukGeneralAntilles, collectively I think we can piece together the whole event17:53
lcukthere were enough photos of all sorts of places17:53
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lcukGeneralAntilles, does your eos connect easily to your ideapad for offloading the photos, or did you not try yet17:54
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, yeah, works fine.17:54
lcukeven more awesome would be using hostmode on handset :)17:54
GeneralAntillesAlthough the 18MP RAW files bring it to its knees.17:54
lcukits not always a bad thing17:54
RST38hDoes it run...mghm...GIMP?17:55
GeneralAntillesRST38h, need to learn to use that one day. . . .17:55
GeneralAntillesHow's F-Spot?17:55
RST38hTried F-Spot a few times, it works, but it is no GIMP of course17:55
lcukRST38h, at the conf17:57
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lcukthere was a discussion about a usable simple ui front end to gimp17:57
RST38hlcuk: Such a discussion should always start with defining what the hell do you want from it, which subset of functions :)17:57
RST38hcan't have simple and all features at the same time17:58
lcukof course RST38h - it was mentioned by me that this sort of ting is alweays difficult17:58
lcukget it wrong and its like windows wizards17:58
lcukwhere people can walk through once but then still get lost when they need to tweak beyond that17:58
lcukthing ^17:58
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lcukbut at least having data modified in a way you understand and filled in allows you to map the actions and choices you made in the simple UI into the more complex one17:59
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* lcuk uses microsoft photo editor from office 2000 for many simple tasks still18:00
crolandHas anyone tried paint.net? it comes close to a simple ui with a decent set of features18:00
lcukcroland, will it build on mono?18:01
RST38hlcuk: btw, photo processing on handhelds is probably a fail18:01
lcukie usable on meego18:01
RST38hlcuk: considering image sizes and the swap usage =(18:01
lcukRST38h, it shouldnt be, theres simple effects and transformations that are commonly requested18:01
RST38hlcuk: Yes, a few simple things should be possible18:01
lcuktake crop for instance, it even managed to emerge on n900 maemo18:01
crolanddon't know, it's closed source, but free.  I've used it a couple times and always thought it did a decent job of keeping things simple, but had the features I needed18:01
lcukcroland, its also windows specific?18:02
RST38hlcuk: there is even a tool like that, written in python unfortunately18:02
crolandyeah, I threw it out there more as an example of a simple ui :)18:02
lcukRST38h, python backed by well formed libraries with a sane object model is not such an issue18:02
lcukeven 20 years ago we had that functionality on 14mhz amigas (arexx)18:03
lcukbinding glue18:03
RST38hlcuk: I do not like what it does to themount table, otherwise I am ok18:03
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lcukRST38h, sure, that seems overly excessive18:03
lcuknot sure how it sits on meego though yet18:03
RST38hlcuk: In fact, the simulation framework we use at work is based on python18:04
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lcuksure18:05
lcukhow do i stop my ideapad from blanking screen after a few minutes idle18:05
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lcuki only want it to go off if i close the lid18:05
lcuk"power and brightness" settings are both to "Never"18:06
lcukbut it still goes off18:06
RST38hYOu file a bug report.18:06
lcukwell I was pondering if its a bug or my lack of knowledge of settings :)18:06
RST38hBTW, it may be a screensaver (not related to power saving)18:06
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GeneralAntilleslcuk: you have a Flickr account?18:07
lcukno GeneralAntilles18:07
GeneralAntilleslcuk, ah, damn, trying to tag all of the relevant people in my photos.18:07
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sp3000sivang: "always happens for words that the spelling is not as intuitive to the sound"... like, for english words? :)18:08
sp3000timeless_mbp: so, where to18:08
GeneralAntillesToo many languages making up the mix.18:08
timeless_mbpsp3000: so, indian is an option18:08
timeless_mbpbut i'm open to others18:09
sp3000indian sounds good18:09
timeless_mbpso the place by the radison18:09
timeless_mbphow long does it take for you to get there?18:09
timeless_mbpi'm working w/ db48x on slides, almost done18:09
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sp3000I don't know18:10
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sp3000how can greasemonkey still not be compatible with fxwhateverimusing18:11
timeless_mbpheh18:11
berndhslbt: ping18:11
thiago_homeDawnFoster: ping18:11
sp3000I actually have to figure out myself where I am :)18:11
lcuklcuk is already a taken name at flickr18:12
sp3000lst time I estimated a roundtrip to kamppi I was about 2x off18:12
lcukhm18:12
Jartzafrom where?18:12
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sp3000a walking distance :)18:13
sp3000timeless_mbp: :3018:13
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timeless_mbpsp3000: ok, so i'll head out in :20 i think18:14
timeless_mbpsee you at :4518:14
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sp3000at :30 I meant fwiw :)18:14
timeless_mbpoh18:15
timeless_mbpok, then i'll leave in :05 and see you there!18:15
lcukGeneralAntilles, "lcukmeego"18:15
GeneralAntilleslcuk, excellent.18:15
GeneralAntillesand if anybody didn't catch the silly MeeGo advertisement during the game: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193447749/18:16
lcukmeego football ux was cool :D18:17
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lcukI saw another advert which I think said "Finish stronger" I thought they had made a typo18:18
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GAN900lcuk, the Viagra ad? ;)18:19
lcuk\o/18:19
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timeless_mbphttps://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ18:22
timeless_mbpGAN900, et al: ^ i think the slides are somewhat/mostly done18:22
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lbtfrinring: done  https://build.pub.meego.com/18:23
lbtberndhs: give me 10m18:23
berndhslbt: no rush18:23
GAN900timeless_mbp, titles should be bigger than content.18:23
GAN900Bold will help, too18:23
* lcuk slides over a guinness to lbt :)18:23
timeless_mbpGAN900: yeah yeah18:24
timeless_mbpif you have a gdocs account, i'll give you edit and you can clean up18:24
timeless_mbpwe only finished the slides now18:24
* lcuk likes the idea of contributing to a contribution slideshow18:24
GAN900timeless_mbp, sure, can do that this evening18:24
GAN900rabelg5 at gmail18:24
marnanelanother OBS question.  I'm getting the error "nothing provides nautilus-devel".  Why does nothing provide it?  I can see it fine with zypper over here.18:25
timeless_mbpalright18:25
GAN900s/Dedicated hobbyists developers/Dedicated hobbyist developers/18:25
GAN900Slide 718:25
timeless_mbpyes18:26
timeless_mbpbut i'm off to meet sp3000  for food18:26
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mortenmjmarnanel: sounds like the same problem i have. could it be that nautilus-devel isn't in the meego core repository, but in e.g. meego extras?18:28
lcukn900hahaha jacob is on google typing a search18:29
lcukn900he is trying to bring up google18:29
lcukn900oh, now he is looking for ferraris18:29
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marnanelmortenmj: interesting: thanks.  I wonder how I tell it to look in meego-extras then.18:29
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RST38hBTW, given a string in UTF8, how do I tell the browser that it is utf8?18:32
thiago_homeRST38h: how are you giving the string to the browser?18:32
mortenmjmarnanel: i've been wondering the same for the past 30 minutes18:32
RST38hthiago: inside an html page18:33
thiago_homethe page has an encoding18:33
lbtlcukn900: well, I have a nice head on my coffee anyhow ;)18:33
RST38hah found it18:33
lbtberndhs: ?18:33
RST38hhttp-equiv etc18:33
mortenmjlbt: me and marnanel have some build dependencies on packages not in meego-core. how do we resolve that?18:33
mortenmjin my case, they're in meego-extras18:34
marnanel(my dependency is "nautilus-devel", fwiw)18:35
sivangGAN900: do you get slide #19? I'm not sure I follow18:35
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lbtso... I see 2 roles: maintainer and porter18:36
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lbtporter is when you'd expect to see a dependency in MeeGo but it isn't there18:36
lbtmaintainer is when you maintain the package18:36
lcuklbt, I just poured a bottle of guinness into a wine glass.  interesting experiment18:36
lbtideally we'd have surrounds18:36
lbtfor now just port the package to your project18:37
sivanglbt: isn't that planned?18:37
lbtI can create a temporary top level shared area if it would be useful18:37
lbtsivang: yes18:37
lbtlcuk: try a sherry glass tower a little later in the evening18:38
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DawnFosterthiago: I'm back :)18:38
lcuklbt, you will have to show me that trick18:38
lbtmortenmj: what do you mean "in my case, they're in meego-extras"18:39
lcukhey Dawn \o enjoying Sunday I hope18:39
DawnFosterlcuk: Enjoying it so far, but I just woke up :)18:39
lbtDawnFoster: hey... wanted to ask you for a pub-dev mailing list when you get time... any dev stuff that's not intended for core18:39
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mortenmjlbt: me an marnanel both have the same problem, separately. the packages i need are in meego-extras18:40
rscl8y8h6hello guys18:41
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lbtdefine "meego-extras" ... ?18:41
DawnFosterlbt: that's going to need to be carefully named to avoid confusion with meego-dev and meego-sdk18:41
rsc85is there a developer of meego on N900???18:41
DawnFosterlbt: what kinds of things would people use it for?18:42
* thiago_home points to Stskeeps 18:42
thiago_homersc85: ^^^18:42
lcuk_idearsc85: theres many folks around, whats your boggle?18:42
rsc85hello thiago_home18:42
thiago_homeDawnFoster: you mentioned family reading blogs in Dublin. That reminded me of something...18:42
marnanellbt: for my part, I am getting the error "nothing provides nautilus-devel", which confuses me, because my copy of zypper can see it18:42
rsc85im interesting in know more about develop and perhpas contribute in this project18:42
thiago_homeDawnFoster: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2007/07/31/qtwebkit-on-windows/ <--- second to last comment18:42
thiago_homeDawnFoster: this is what happens when parents read blogs :-)18:43
frinringlbt: thanks!18:43
Robot101marnanel: are you on netbook?18:43
w00trsc85: #meego-arm is a good place to hang out18:43
lbtDawnFoster: yes... I intended to use "pub" since that's where the community OBS lives18:43
marnanelyes18:43
Robot101marnanel: it probably has nautilus, but core doesn't18:43
lbtit covers the same scope18:43
rsc85thank you w00t18:43
rsc85w00t are you the w00t on maemo.org?18:43
DawnFosterthiago: lol. that's hilarious!18:43
marnanelRobot101: oh, okay.  do you know if there's a way to persuade the OBS to look in the netbook repos, then?18:43
mortenmjlbt: it's what the repository is called in meego...18:43
DawnFosterlbt: yes, that will be obvious to people who are familiar with the comm OBS but confusing for others18:44
w00trsc85: yes18:44
* Jay_BEE did not know about #meego-arm, heading there now thx w00t18:44
rsc85eheh so i  know you :) anyways thank you for your help18:44
mortenmjlbt: in the obs it's listed as meego_1.1_extras18:44
lbtDawnFoster: everyone will be familiar eventually :)18:45
DawnFosterthiago: yeah, my mom used to comment sometimes until she realized that everyone else can read it18:45
lbtmortenmj: paste a url18:45
DawnFosterlbt: right now, we have a lot of developer confusion about where to post things18:45
thiago_homeDawnFoster: I sent the link to my talk to my dad yesterday18:45
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DawnFosterlbt: I don't want to make it worse18:45
lbtDawnFoster: agreed ... meego-dev is about the core18:45
thiago_homeDawnFoster: he kept asking questions, as it's very hard to understand without the context18:45
lbtthis is about app-dev and surrounds and anything not 'core'18:46
lbtwhere core is anything on Anas' OBS18:46
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mortenmjlbt: i only know how to add it with zypper, i'm not sure where to find it on the web18:46
DawnFosterlbt: yes, but meego-sdk is already for app development18:46
lbt!18:46
lbtseriously?18:46
DawnFosterlbt: yep18:47
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lbt<sigh>18:47
lbtdaft name18:47
lbtsounds like where the sdk is developed18:47
DawnFosterdescriptions here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication18:47
DawnFosterlbt: well, created that one before I started naming things properly ;)18:47
mortenmjlbt: it's an entirely official repository...18:47
DawnFosterlbt: meego-dev, meego-sdk were created before I joined18:47
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paulsenhello18:48
lbtDawnFoster: mmm "can also ask general application development questions here."18:48
notmartother stuff on the tablet :)   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdLCGCTu8w18:48
lbtDawnFoster: most focus is on "toolchains, sysroots, emulators, IDEs, documentation"18:48
DawnFosterlbt: the description can use some more work, the focus of that mailing list is using the SDK and related tools to develop applications18:49
DawnFosterlbt: I think we should use that mailing list for stuff intended for the community obs18:49
lbtDawnFoster: OK ... I'll let others worry about it... as long as I can point at an ml18:50
paulsenshort question what is a good dev hardware platform? controled with touchscreen18:50
DawnFosterlbt: let's start with meego-sdk and then if it doesn't work, we'll switch to something else18:50
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DawnFosterok, enough IRC, I'm on vacation, I'm going to go read something printed on a dead tree :)18:51
lbtsure ... I just assumed there was nowhere to cover that topic - I guarantee no-one will find it by name :)18:51
lbtenjoy it :D18:51
lcuk_ideaDawnFoster: have fun18:52
DawnFosterthanks!18:53
lbtmortenmj: what arch ?18:54
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lbtI only see it for i586 in the netbook area18:54
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mortenmjlbt: hang on. i'll boot into meego and look at my  config18:56
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mortenmjlbt: on my netbook the address is http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/extra/repos/ia32/packages19:00
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lbtmortenmj: OK ... give me an urls for your project/package19:03
mortenmjlbt: my project is up on home:mortenmjelva:zeitgeist19:04
mortenmjin the obs19:04
mortenmjnow, there doesn't seem to be a meego-extras repo for 1.1, and i can't find the packages i need from the 1.0 repo in 1.1's meego-core. any chance of having those packages put in meego-core?19:05
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mortenmji hope to get zeitgeist in meego-core, so i suppose it would be necessary for that to be possible19:05
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lcukshow it building and working on all ux'es would be a start19:06
mortenmjlcuk: it's currently not building because i haven't figured out how to satisfy the build dependencies19:06
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mortenmjwhich is what i'm talking to lbt about...19:06
lcukyip19:06
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mortenmjhm. gconf2-devel i actually had to get from opensuse. i suppose i might as well package that for meego, so we can push it into meego-core?19:09
lbtmortenmj: "nothing provides gconf2-devel, nothing provides python-rdflib, nothing provides libraptor-devel"19:09
lbtso... you're going to need them19:09
mortenmji am19:09
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lbtyeah, gimme a sec19:10
lbtoh, wait...19:10
lbtyou'll need to port and maintain them too19:11
mortenmjraptor-devel is in meego-extras in 1.0. python-rdflib is as far as i can tell nowhere, and gconf2-devel is in opensuse.19:11
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mortenmjis there a quick way to get rpms from opensuse into meego?19:11
mortenmji mean, it installs just fine on my machine19:11
thiago_homedoes that raptor have anything to do with the Symbian buildsystem called Raptor?19:11
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mortenmjraptor, at least in this context, is an rdf parser toolkit19:12
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thiago_homeok19:12
berndhslbt is extremely popular now, poor guy :)19:13
mortenmjlbt: the specfile online is outdated compared to the one i'm using locally. the package is called raptor-devel19:13
lbtmortenmj: I think berndhs can help you there...19:15
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mortenmjberndhs: do we have a system for importing packages from opensuse?19:17
berndhsmortenmj: I can answer that: I don't know19:17
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mortenmjberndhs: great!19:17
berndhsother than getting their spec file and foo.tar.gz, and making a meego rpm19:18
lbtyup19:18
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mortenmjeasy enough. already on it in fact19:19
berndhslbt: when you have time, can you add "earthling" to the pub obs, or should I get a new name ?19:22
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lbtis that your meego.com account name?19:23
berndhslbt: yes19:23
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lcukmarnanel, GAN900 should also be consulted on the keyboard and would be a good person to be involved in the testing and feedback loop19:23
lbtdone19:23
lcuksince he was the fastest typer on n800 ever19:23
berndhswith all my 4 posts or so :)19:24
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berndhslbt: thank you19:24
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GAN900lcuk, hmm?19:28
lcukGeneralAntilles,  http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard19:30
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lcukwow the fastest roller coaster in the world is at ferrari world19:37
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* NooBmonk3y is away: I'm busy19:42
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Stskeepsso, a random thought: meego's targetting to be a platform and people's problem with it is that it's not really end-user friendly as it only contains reference apps. What if we created the MeeGo Community Product, which is the meego platform + things to make it nicer for end-users, actively pushing things into platform part that make sense, like a vendor would?21:07
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Stskeepsbecause platform needs productization (could be done by a community) to be suitable for end-users21:07
RST38hStskeeps: A random answer to a random thought: your idea only makes sense if you know for SURE that you (and a group of interested people, give the list please) are capable ofproductizing it21:08
Stskeepsthis would solve many of the complaints about end-user friendliness and would maybe be a good direction for let's say netbook users or n90021:08
Robot101Debian and Fedora have the same problem - their user base is too wide or indistince21:09
StskeepsRST38h: agreed21:09
RST38hStskeeps: As much as I respect you, making a consumer-ready product may end up well above the free share of your capabilities :)21:09
Robot101to properly rally the project behind productizing the software for one target audience21:09
StskeepsRST38h: was a random thought :) i know what i'd be driving - and that'd be platform work21:10
RST38hStskeeps: Another point to consider:21:10
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RST38hStskeeps: You have got several Intel teams working specifically on Meego (Moblin before that)21:10
RST38hStskeeps: These guys are *paid* to create a semi-productized Meego distro (actually, 3 distros)21:11
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RST38hStskeeps: And they are not there yet.21:11
Robot101intel has far more people on platform & distro than products21:11
Stskeepspoint21:11
Robot101nokia the other way round21:11
Robot101as you'd expect, really21:11
Stskeepsbut yeah, the platform is bigger than the reference ux'es21:11
RST38hAs far as I understand, Nokia is not contributing to reference apps,no?21:11
StskeepsRST38h: we have people from our team contributing to handset stuff21:12
Robot101both product teams have been upended by platform changes over time, but it seems to be settling out a bit now21:12
StskeepsRST38h: and all of control panels are nokian21:12
Stskeepswell, many, at least21:12
RST38hah ok21:13
RST38hinteresting21:13
w00tall of the (non-apps) bit of handset ux too like mcompositor, at least initially.. no idea if intel are doing work on that21:13
Stskeepsi wonder if there'd be value in seperating out reference apps outside 'platform'21:14
Stskeepsand brewing those outside platform process21:14
RST38hStskeeps: Basically, creating a semi-complete, semi-usable apps suite is 4-6 months of highly determined, well paid labor of a single person21:14
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leinirStskeeps: Well... one thing i can mention there is that the kde mobile sub-team are working on something like that... dunno if you might be keen on joining that effort :)21:14
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RST38hStskeeps: Estimate based on the availability of usable QtQuick (yes,components too) and reuse of some existing OSS stuff21:15
leiniryou probably saw the videos posted earlier today... if not, gimme a second ;)21:15
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RST38hStskeeps: And the notion that the guy will be working 8-10 hours a day21:15
Stskeepsi guess the opposite side of the coin is "why would anyone not just make a company and build a stack instead, selling it"..21:15
RST38hStskeeps: You seriously do not know why?21:16
Stskeepsi know why21:16
Stskeeps:P21:16
JaffaStskeeps: During the Handset UX Roadmap talk, the guy (whose name I'd have to look up), specifically said (in response to my question) that they'd take new apps into the reference apps if they were better than the current ones.21:16
RST38hGood, I guess we are on the same page then ;)21:16
StskeepsJaffa: ah, that's good21:16
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RST38hJaffa: Well, you know what that mean21:16
StskeepsJaffa: and the usual disclaimer: that they were bsd/mit licensed, probably..21:16
StskeepsJaffa: i think there's a tiny tidbit about that laying aroun21:17
Stskeepsd21:17
slaineIt was Sami Jaffa21:17
RST38hStskeeps: Why would you want BSD license if the rest of your OS is GPLed?21:17
Jaffaslaine: Thanks.21:17
w00tthe reference UX apps (at least for handset) aren't GPL21:17
w00tthey're APL21:17
RST38hYou want to leave the ability to create custom derivatives?21:17
slaineAnd if that was you, I should have introduced myself, saw you about the place a few times21:17
w00tprobably for precisely that reason21:17
Jaffaslaine: I meant to hunt you down ;-)21:18
slaineI think we even say beside each other at one point, d'oh21:18
RST38hStskeeps: Architecturally, if I were writing the apps suite, I would start by writing QML prototypes21:18
StskeepsRST38h: yeah, now21:18
Jaffaslaine: gcobb and I were the ones doing most of the talking at the community infrastructure/repos/extras BoF with lbt21:18
RST38hStskeeps: This has two advantages21:18
fralsQML is awesome21:18
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RST38hStskeeps: First is speed. Second is great reusability21:19
* Jaffa loved the QML demos (from achipa primarily ;-)) at the conference; and has been playing with Qt Creator 2.1 beta + Nokia Qt SDK this afternoon. Very shiny stuff21:19
RST38hStskeeps: The current barrier to that is that QML by itself is kinda useless,and QtComponents for QML are not ready yet21:19
Jay_BEEis fMMS written in Qt?21:19
slaineActually, n900 question, microSD only or microSDHC also ?21:19
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Stskeepsslaine: microsdhc is better, naturally21:19
Jaffaslaine: All MicroSD is, AFAIK, MicroSDHC21:19
fralsJay_BEE: python (pygtk/hildon)21:20
slainecool, class 6 min too I guess21:20
RST38hStskeeps: After doing the UIs (andprobably discussing them with people at tmo), I would see if any current Unix software could be used as backens for these UIs21:20
RST38hStskeeps: I.e. using ready-made email client libraries, etc21:20
Jay_BEEfrals: ah ok, cool21:20
JaffaRST38h: Like tinymail ;-)21:20
RST38hStskeeps: At that point, someone should be making artwork in parallel21:20
JaffaAny good/interesting links cropped up this week? MWKN's surprisingly sparse.21:21
StskeepsJaffa: could you hint on that there's a 'demo' image on tablets-dev that's surprisingly faster?21:21
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RST38hStskeeps: So, yes,you CAN get a usable apps suite in 4-6 months, just not for free.21:21
lbtStskeeps: I was promoting "the community OBS and stuff" as a potential reference build-on-meego ISV21:21
Stskeepslbt: true21:21
leinirJaffa: videos of kontact touch and plasma-tablet running on meego, would that suffice? ;)21:21
Jay_BEEactually MicroSD and MicroSDHC are different, the latter supports higher storage capacities for one21:21
StskeepsRST38h: well, i guess it bends down to: why on earth wouldn't you just turn capitalist and sell a set of working apps instead21:21
Stskeeps:P21:22
lbtJaffa: community OBS, fremantle on OBS of course21:22
RST38hStskeeps: ...and we both know the answer to that.21:22
leinirhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWnfny61oI <-- kontact touch21:22
RST38h(notlike people have not tried before)21:22
leinirhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdLCGCTu8w <-- plasma mobile, modified a touch for use on a tablet21:22
lbtI had dinner with some of the release guys on thursday21:23
lbtthe whole Surrounds thing is of interest21:23
Jaffaleinir: Was just watching that. Very cool.21:23
lbthaving opensuse as our upstream for contrib wasn't welcome :)21:24
RST38hleinir: nice =)21:24
leinirJaffa: *nods* about three days worth of work... 'tis pretty sweet stuff21:24
lbtbut it was supported and understood !21:24
leinir:)21:24
Jaffalbt: Indeed, got community OBS. Was there an announcement, apart from the slide?21:24
leinirRST38h: Very, i'm really impressed with the speed of development here :)21:24
lbtit's clear we need to start to build an area around meego21:24
lbtwe have Team: area and we will have Extras: and Surrounds:21:24
Stskeepssurrounds is supposed to be meego staging?21:25
Jaffaleinir: Mind if I use those as quotes? ;-)21:25
lbtJaffa: not hugely ... but we have ~ 50+ users now21:26
leinirJaffa: Not at all :) i don't tend to say stuff in public that isn't quotable ;)21:26
lbtno21:26
lbtmore 'contrib'21:26
leiniri do tend to get annoyed when quoted out of context, but as long as the context is available or at least clear, i'm good ;)21:26
lbtalthough obviously there's a route to core21:26
lbtI'd actually like to see meego span the core and community OBSes21:27
thiago_homeif the context is clear, then you're not out of context21:27
lbtcore is what device vendors would rely on21:27
leinirthiago_home: yeah, that's sort of my point :)21:27
lbtheh... exactly 50 users have asked for accounts21:29
Jaffalbt: Contacting you (say via IRC), still the preferred account enablement process?21:29
lbtcurrently, yes21:30
lbtI'm happy for the community via CO to define a preferred process21:32
lbtwe don't yet have a policy for OBS either... I assume OSI-approved only21:33
Jaffalbt: It's interesting, because it's a lot more technical than previous CO topics. I guess they'd want a concrete proposal.21:33
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Jaffalbt: suggestion for core of proposal: content - OSI-approved, as you say; users - any meego.com account who writes a few sentences on how they're intending to use it (and then manually approved by a group of folk, like X-Fade and yourself)21:34
Jaffalbt: QA then on top (TBD) for moving from Extras:Testing to Extras21:34
Jaffalbt: ...and then all the stuff from the BoF for moving from Extras(:Testing?) to Surrounds21:35
* lbt mutters about the community repo WG we proposed in feb... which would have made core sort so much of this out21:35
lbtyes21:35
lbtX-Fade did some work on that in the wiki iirc21:35
lbtall good21:36
Jaffalbt: The CRWG could well be the people tasked with a) approving people and b) maintaining & defining the various processes.21:36
lbthmm.... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=145121:36
Jaffalbt: It might be more accepted now that it seems much closer and tangible.21:36
lbtany issues about mp3 codecs I wonder?21:37
Stskeepslbprobably yes21:38
lbtmaybe the infrastructure group could expand out that way21:38
julienfevening21:38
lbtwe're doing all the technical design for security and other stuff under the meego.com infra21:38
* NooBmonk3y is back (gone 01:56:32)21:39
lbtso validating that with ryan ware etc21:39
lbtwho actually has a deputy joining us on our weekly meetings21:39
Jaffa'lo julienf21:39
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RST38hStskeeps: BTW, speaking of app suites, some things can be down with a web server and php :)21:42
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julienfJaffa: good post about the conf :)21:46
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Jaffajulienf: Thanks :-)21:47
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CosmoHillsalut ali123421:53
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sivangre people22:04
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timeless_mbpJaffa: so...22:08
timeless_mbpamusing feature22:08
timeless_mbpovi suite doesn't correctly configure cellular service for my n900s w/ Elisa22:08
timeless_mbpnokia's main provider here in finland :)22:08
vgradelbt, can I trouble you to throw the switch allowing user 'vgrade' access to community OBS, TIA22:09
lbtyoualready there22:09
lbtheh22:09
lbtbad <return> key22:09
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vgradelbt, thanks22:12
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mortenmjis there a webinterface for searching through meego packages?22:14
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sp3000timeless_mbp: well, it did seem to configure it fine, it just made a random different guess apparently...22:22
sp3000re slides, "dedicated hobbyist" seems detailed enough to try to be normative22:23
sp3000(the parenthetical part)22:23
slainemortenmj: http://repo.meego.com22:23
sp3000so it probably needs ellipsis or e.g.22:23
sp3000otherwise it's like you have to be unemployed to be dedicated22:24
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mortenmjslaine: well, yes, but there's no search?22:24
* timeless_mbp fishes for sp3000 's gmail22:24
slaine?22:24
sp3000the sorting is slightly odd in that it introduces downstream consumer before consumer22:24
slainedoesn't your browser have in page searching ?22:25
slainemortenmj: what exactly are you trying to do I guess22:25
mortenmjslaine: search for packages, the way you can in e.g. ubuntu or opensuse22:25
mortenmjslaine: navigating the hierarchy and using in-page search isn't quite the same22:26
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sp3000so then you're left wondering why a downstream consumer is more interesting (as the order suggests contrib magnitude to some extent)22:26
Bostikzypper search FOO ?22:26
mortenmjBostik: only works within meego22:26
Bostikah, true enough22:26
slaineOh, ok, I get you. No, there's nothing like that22:26
slaineSubmit a request22:27
mortenmjok. maybe i should submit a request for something like that. if it exists for opensuse, and it does, it might not be too hard to implement22:27
Bostikpackages.meego.com wouldn't be a bad service, though...22:27
sp3000slide 5 should be some sort of graphic although the number of dimensions makes that interesting22:27
mortenmjBostik: exactly22:27
slaineOh, news flash on RTE about how f*@k'd ireland is22:27
sp3000perhaps venn can handle it22:27
timeless_mbpslaine: the sharing tab didn't have the knowledge i needed22:27
timeless_mbpi used gmail to find what i needed22:28
sp3000the table format is a bit hard for me to get traction on22:28
timeless_mbpwas that slide 4?22:28
mortenmjslaine: did they get boned by wall street as well?22:29
sp3000the previous coment was22:29
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sp3000reward and management are mutually implied so it's three dimensions topographically sorta22:30
sp3000although I'm not sure if the consumer type should self-manage22:31
slainemortenmj: nothing different to any other country, but we're very small so we've lived way beyond our means for way too long22:31
timeless_mbpthat slide grew since the last time i changed it22:31
sp3000none is a bit weird :)22:31
timeless_mbpsp3000: can you log into gdocs so it knows which page you're on? :)22:32
sp3000"paid to get things right"?22:32
sp3000that's not how it usually works :)22:33
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sp30008 doesn't fit22:38
sp3000but I guess it isn't quite time for that22:39
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timeless_mbpok, now gdocs knows you and thinks you're looking at slide 1 :)22:41
timeless_mbphrm, and now gdocs is being stupid?22:42
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julienftimeless_mbp: managed to get back in shape? ;)22:42
timeless_mbp?22:43
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julienflast memory I have of you is sleeping on a chair in the hacker's lounge ;)22:43
sp3000timeless_mbp: well, minefield sprung an update22:44
timeless_mbpheh22:44
timeless_mbpjulienf: ah22:44
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sivangtimeless_mbp: can you enable comments for me? I just wish to add some sidenotes, not edit the slides themselves. Some things are not clear to me as non native, also examples for projects that use a qa team and a ticket tracker are ubuntu and plone, as most proximate examples.22:44
timeless_mbpdone22:45
sivangtimeless_mbp: thanks22:45
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sp3000is BZR spelled like that?22:48
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timeless_mbpprobably not22:49
sivangsp3000: http://bazaar.canonical.com/en/22:49
timeless_mbpalthough the channel is #bzr22:49
crolandFor Bazaar?22:49
crolandYeah22:49
sivangsp3000: so "bazaar'22:49
sivangnote inconsistent use of quotes22:49
sivang;)22:49
sp3000;)22:49
sivangsp3000: it is amazing how bad can a bad keyboard and touchpad combo do22:49
sivangs/bad/harm/22:50
infobotsivang meant: sp3000: it is amazing how harm can a bad keyboard and touchpad combo do22:50
sivangerr22:50
* sivang gives up22:50
timeless_mbpsivang: fwiw if you do a second s/// right after the first one22:50
timeless_mbpthe bot will apply it to the original string22:50
sp3000and then get merge conflicts? :)22:51
timeless_mbpnah, second change wins :)22:52
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sp3000some projects try to enforce bisectability, so if review comments fix something in a patch that qualifies as a regression then the bad commit should live on a branch (and if the committer is clever enough, try to choose the right 1st-parent for the merge too)22:54
sp3000but that's a bit of a digression ;)22:54
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sp3000s,bad,intermediate,22:54
rhkfinAnyone here know something about the openness of the top/UI-layer of Meego..? I see plenty of videos of Meego+KDE (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdLCGCTu8w ) - just curious if that'll be the most popular open option...22:55
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* sp3000 hits alphabetical dissonance at bug A comment B attachment C22:59
WIImannice i got xchat installed and working23:00
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lcukWIIman, which instructions did you follow?23:01
WIImanone sec ill get the link23:01
lcukta23:01
timeless_mbpsp3000: heh23:02
WIImanhttp://blog.beford.org/2010/10/24/xchat-2-8-on-meego/23:02
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lcuk_ideasivang: you are right, an idea that started to emerge at the conf and followed up on a bit is: http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard23:04
lcuk_ideaWIIman: thanks!23:05
WIImani addaed the lin to my twitter page too23:05
timeless_mbplcuk: irc logs are problematic23:05
WIImanim papatwilight on twitter23:05
timeless_mbpyou don't want to take misspelled words23:05
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lcuk_ideatimeless_mbp: sure, then make a note about that23:06
timeless_mbp...23:06
WIImanlcuk_idea,  np23:06
lcuk_ideathe weighted usage of words is important too23:06
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lcuk_ideaand since we talk about lots of things often ;)23:06
jonnorrhkfin: what are you interesting in knowing about, specifically?23:07
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* timeless_mbp tries to remember how the heck to use openid23:07
lcuk_ideatimeless_mbp: i have a whole history of every word I have ever typed on IRC.  as training text for my personalised keyboard, I think thats important23:07
WIImani just had to have xchat i hated haveing pidgin and empothy just for irc23:07
lcuk_ideaany other training text would not be "me" ?23:08
rhkfinjonnor: not quite sure.. Hmm.. Well first, when Meego phones will be out in the stores, will they have closed UX layer?23:08
lcuk_ideait would be second guessing what I think rather than looking at everything I have typed before23:08
WIImantwo multiprotacal client is overkill xchat fills the missing irc client bill niceliy23:08
lcuk_ideafor general training texts, sure23:08
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jonnorrhkfin: that is entirely up to the people shipping the phones. And since no phones have been announced, we do not know.23:09
rhkfinok..23:09
Jay_BEE[13:00]<WIIman>nice i got xchat installed and working  <--- congrats!23:10
* timeless_mbp sighs23:10
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jonnorrhkfin: for details on what needs to be open/existing and what not on a "Meego" device, check the compilance specifications23:11
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rhkfinjonnor: ok, thanks..23:12
lcuk_ideawtf!   somehow I have managed to open a youtube link from within webchat here on the ideapad.  but theres no window or tab for it so i cant stop it.23:12
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WIImanim glad you did get xxchat working :)23:14
WIImanxchat even23:15
timeless_mbpsp3000: hrm23:15
timeless_mbpit might be possible to draw a couple of venn diagrams23:15
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TrackerDPPhello all !23:18
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Mat_Matanwhere i can download package with meego sdk?23:20
jonnorMat_Matan: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-sdk23:21
Mat_Matanjonnor: BIG THX :]23:22
jonnorMat_Matan: it is linked from meego.com frontpage :)23:23
thiago_homestuff in the frontpage isn't easy to find23:23
thiago_homespent 5 minutes searching the sign up link for the conference...23:23
mortenmjMat_Matan: depending on what distro you're on there might be a repository as well23:26
mortenmjdebian/ubuntu has one23:26
mortenmjopensuse and fedora as well23:27
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timeless_mbpok, so...23:40
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rhkfinI have latest 1.1.80.7... installed on N900 - any chances to SSH in over WLAN? Would be easier than usb..23:49
timeless_mbpnetbook or handset? :)23:49
timeless_mbp(or IVI?)23:49
rhkfinhandset23:49
rhkfinCan't find xterm in the menu any more :/ In 1.1 it was still there23:50
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