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CosmoHillbrb, installing 10.5.8 :)01:17
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tremnite all, sweet dreams01:37
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CosmoHillUpdated from Tiger to Leopard02:19
CosmoHillforgot about things like PHP, MySQL and my printers etc02:19
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ScottishDuckWell at least you don't upgrade at release02:21
ScottishDuckI sure won't be doing that again02:21
CosmoHillhehe02:21
threezeroyum remove leopard; yum install meego02:21
CosmoHillthreezero: do you have a powerpc build of meego to install?02:22
threezeronope, ppc is dead02:22
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threezeroor at least dying02:22
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ScottishDuckpower7 will reclaim the desktop market02:24
ScottishDuckIntel doesn't stand a chance02:25
aukeI'm imagining you saying that with a scottish accent, using "quack" sounds02:25
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w00t_damn you, auke02:25
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w00t_it'll take me weeks to get that image out of my head02:25
CosmoHillintel is the english and power7 is the scotish02:26
aukehaha02:26
CosmoHillstill getting used to leopard02:27
ScottishDuckAll those innovative features02:28
CosmoHillnew icons, shiny things, differenet colour stuff02:30
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CosmoHillhello04:30
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CosmoHillcyas04:45
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senwell_wuHi, everyone. I got problem when developing programs with meego-touch-framework04:57
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senwell_wuthere is always a status bar at the top, how can I delete it?04:57
senwell_wuyour help will be appreciated!04:58
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yigalvgrade & Stskeeps: Is there a rough estimate available as to when a Meego build with EMGD drivers will be ready for Netbooks and if you are actively working on this is there anyway we, those unfortunate chaps with GMA 500 on our computers, to help out?  Thank you in advance, thank you05:06
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spencacan ihave anyones old runescpe accounts?06:12
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TermanaN900spenca, please dont spam the room06:13
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spencalol im not06:15
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spencaim serius06:16
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yigalStskeeps and vgrade: I found this, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=98906:55
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yigalvgrade: I'll be back07:11
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yigalvgrade: I tried to build with your EMGD, sudo mic-image-creator  --cache=mycachedir --format=liveusb --config=emgd-netbook.ks --run-mode=0, but I get an error at the end of the install yum-3.2.25-15.2.noarch was supposed to be installed but is not!08:57
yigal? I don't understand08:57
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yigalI have yum 3.2.25-1ubuntu2 installed on the host - but I doubt this has much to do with it.08:59
yigalany help would be appreciated08:59
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amjadmorning slaine10:04
slainemorning amjad10:05
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apundhirHi10:26
apundhirI am ajay, new developer in MeeGo10:26
Stskeepswelcome10:26
apundhirThanks10:27
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vgradeyigal, hi10:49
vgradeyigal can you postbin the build log10:51
vgradepastebin sorry10:51
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vgradeyigal, can you sucessfuly build a stock netbook image?10:57
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yigalvgrade: I think it might be working now, crossing fingers11:03
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yigalvgrade: my harddrive isn't large enough what parameter to install the everything on an external ssd, or is this possible?11:05
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yigalanyways the disk is being built11:07
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vgrade_yigal, do you have an image built now?11:37
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magie_01123does meego have support for ipod12:59
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apundhirHi, I am a beginner for Meego, i have a question13:06
apundhirI have installed and running Meego handset image13:07
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apundhirnow i want to run my Hello world application in that13:07
apundhirhow can i compile and run my app which i have created outside with qtcreator13:08
apundhircan anyone help me??13:08
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vit0hi guys, the wiki is down ?14:36
anaZno, looks like dns issues14:37
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vit0thanks =)14:38
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magie_01123is there an issue with meego.com and meego wiki15:05
pvanhoofconference2010.meego.com is down15:05
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TermanaN900Transitioning website to OSU servers? *evilly cackles*15:06
tekojoDNS issues15:06
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TermanaN900tekojo, fun spoiler :P15:07
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tekojocome on, it's 5:07 in Portland, no one works at that time :)15:08
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pvanhoofI was just submitting my session proposal15:09
pvanhoofand you guys go down :)15:09
pvanhoofcomon!15:09
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luisthey guys i REALLY need some help here... im running garage with my own application list/repository and i have around 55 applications. im getting many DBus errors, seems that some limit is being exceeded, can anyone help me with that? http://pastie.org/106252215:35
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amjad so the repos are down ??15:43
vit0amjad : yes15:43
X-FadeNo, the dns servers.15:43
amjadany eta for getting it to work??15:44
vit0finally the repo don't work ^^15:44
X-Fadens1.linux-foundation.net. and ns2.linux-foundation.net don't respond.15:44
X-Fadeamjad: Probably when west coast wakes up.15:44
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LjLwhat are the main places to look for meego apps? (i don't have meego, i'm just considering buying an N900 later on)15:48
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pvanhoofLjL, n900 isn't meego atm15:50
pvanhoofIt's Fremantle15:50
LjLpvanhoof: that's why i'm waiting until later on ;) i intend to keep an eye on both Android and MeeGo for the N900, as i'd like a phone that's as open source as possible. meanwhile, i can get some information on what software is available etc15:51
pvanhoofAndroid on n900 is rather unlikely to run in such a way that everything will work fine15:51
LjLhmm :\15:51
pvanhoofIf you want a phone that is as open as possible from a developer's point of view, then currently the n900 is your best pick. As its development platform is identical to a typical Debian machine15:52
LjLyep, that's very cool, but on the other hand it isn't very open from a, well, open-source point of view15:52
LjLdo you think MeeGo will eventually work fine on the N900 though?15:52
pvanhoofWhereas Android has its own custom-google OS on top of a Linux kernel that has a bunch of modifications (Fremantle's kernel too, btw)15:52
StskeepsLjL: we're working hard to make it so.15:53
pvanhoofThe N900 is as open form a open-source point of view as you can possibly imagine15:53
lcukLjL, the closed bits dont seem to stop people hacking and making new stuff on maemo15:53
LjLyeah, but on the other hand Android has a lot of software (but on the third hand, most of it is not very good and not open source)15:53
pvanhoofI don't think there's much that you can't do on a N900, from an opensource point of view15:53
pvanhoofOr anything at all15:53
lcukand obviously allows you to sidestep whichever way you feel comfortable15:53
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LjLpvanhoof, lcuk: eh... i think i'd been told that 43% of Maemo is open source though  -  yeah apparently it's been measured :P15:54
pvanhoofLjL, and what kind of thing do you want to do?15:54
luisthey guys i REALLY need some help here... im running garage with my own application list/repository and i have around 55 applications. im getting many DBus errors, seems that some limit is being exceeded, can anyone help me with that? http://pastie.org/106252215:54
pvanhoofHmm, no, in lines of code I think Maemo is about 98% open15:54
LjLanyway i've recently bought a Motorola Milestone to quell my urge for a phone, but that's not very open at all, so while i've got time, i eventually want to sell it and switch to an N90015:54
CosmoHillhey lcuk15:54
pvanhoofI don't think Nokia's staff back then was even large enough to "ever" develop 57% of the code15:54
lcuk\o hey CosmoHill15:54
LjLStskeeps: wasn't it you who gave me the 43% figure?15:54
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LjLthere was a link to a chart detailing which parts of Maemo were open sourced, not sure if i have it in my logs15:55
pvanhoofLjL, you can trust my word that the vast majority of Fremantle is simply opensource15:55
pvanhoofWithout any strings attached15:55
pvanhoofAnd if there's something closed, usually a hardware driver or something, and you want to interop with it, I'm pretty sure I can get you in touch with the guys. And they might even open it, just for your fun15:56
lcukindeed, there are lots of packages available directly: http://maemo.gitorious.org/15:56
CosmoHilldamn apple15:56
CosmoHill"did you mean Macbook Pro teardown?"15:56
CosmoHillno I mean Mac Pro you stupid thing15:56
w00t_http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html15:56
CosmoHill</rant>15:56
lcukpvanhoof, there are user facing components that are closed but as you say they have interop and are still to some degree maintained15:57
pvanhoofLjL, as for the meego-harmattan situation (which is more interesting, and more related to this IRC channel): again most will be open-source without much strings attached. Although it has been announced that the phone will run in a security-mode if you want all the features enabled. This has a lot to do with data from alien sources, and the contracts that come with that. More than with the source code of the apps themselves15:57
pvanhooflcuk, nod15:57
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LjLpvanhoof: hmm Harmattan is MeeGo for the N900?15:58
pvanhoofLjL, but check gitorious's meego or maemo-af directory15:59
pvanhoofI'll just keep it at "harmattan is under development for something in future"15:59
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pvanhoofAnd it'll get stamped as MeeGo I'm guessing15:59
lcukw00t_,  always look at that chart and scratch head, its organised quite strangely and I cannot make sense of things properly, take calculator for example, its marked as 50% open source and 50% closed16:00
LjLuhm. i'm really not fond of the idea of something running in a TC mode, that's what my Milestone does, and also what makes its open sourcedness worthless :(  (well, it's not worthless because it can be partly cracked, but still)16:00
lcukbut still marked in red16:00
pvanhoofLjL, go here:  http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/ and here http://gitorious.org/search?q=meego16:00
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w00t_lcuk: it's based on packages.. click the links on it, osso-calculator is not open, but osso-calculator-engine is16:01
LjLright that's the chart i was thinking of16:02
LjLso what should i believe, the chart or what's being said here now :\16:02
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* mmeeks wonders where http:///www.meego.com/ went16:06
Stskeepsmmeeks: got tired of people complaining on mailing lists and took a vacation ;)16:06
X-FadeLF nameservers are down.16:07
X-FadeSo everything LF is gone.16:07
mmeeksX-Fade: sad - I can't test my bug fix then ;-)16:07
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X-FadeMek: Sad indeed, but someone is on it now.16:08
LjLwhere can i find more information about meego being slated to run in trusted computing modes?16:09
pvanhoofX-Fade, comon guys, I want to submit my talk proposal. bring it up! :)16:09
X-Fadepvanhoof: Don't look at me ;)16:09
pvanhoofoh, hi mmeeks !16:09
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lbtwe want DNS....when do we want it.... NOW16:20
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luisthey guys i REALLY need some help here... im running garage with my own application list/repository and i have around 55 applications. im getting many DBus errors, seems that some limit is being exceeded, can anyone help me with that? http://pastie.org/106252216:27
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ismaelmeego.com is really down or access is off only from here?16:40
Stskeepsdns is hosed16:41
ismael:-/16:42
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thiago10:41 < Stskeeps> dns is hosed17:06
thiago10:42 < ismael> :-/17:06
thiagooops, bad paste17:06
lbtI quite liked it17:07
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Termanalbt, are you the one that said your a card carrying FSF member?17:08
lbtyup17:08
lbtjust recently though...17:09
Termanalbt, can I ask you a question?17:09
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lbtanyone can ask...17:09
Termanalbt, Being a card carrying member, do you believe one day you will be pulled over and asked "Can I please see your FSF license and registration please?"17:10
Termana"Your under arrest for using non-free software in a free software zone"17:10
Termana:P17:10
lbtI hope so... :D    actually I won't get a card until they send it next xmas....17:10
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lbtI only joined a couple of weeks ago...17:10
lbtI figure I've saved a fortune over the years... least I can do is contribute a few £ a month17:11
ismaelweb is alive again17:11
lbtwooo17:11
Termanalbt, don't tell them your using a device with proprietary binaries on it though ;) and make sure you don't let Stallman know you have a phone at all! :P17:11
lbtheh....17:11
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lbtthe way i see it... I'm paying them to be fanatical so I can be pragmatic :)17:12
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Termana:P heh17:12
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pohlyDo we have a public channel to ask development question about MeeGo Touch Framework?17:53
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DawnFosterthanks X-Fade17:57
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Stskeepsmorn dawn17:58
DawnFostermorning Stskeeps17:58
DawnFosteror evening for you, I guess17:58
X-FadeGuy already spammed #maemo, he's just going from chan to chan.17:58
Stskeeps5pm, not so bad :)17:58
DawnFosterI'm still on that first cup of tea - brain is a little slow yet :)17:58
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* slaine yawns18:12
Stskeepsindeed18:12
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slainedouble espresso, lets see what that can do about it18:12
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ASurveysHello18:14
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Jim2010 http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeMain.cfm?RefID=munzir18:16
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w00t_slaine: i've got to go out for a few hours, but when I get back, sure18:19
slaineyeah, I'm just about to commute18:19
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slainebut I'll be online later18:19
slaineI'll keep an eye out18:19
* Stskeeps goes check out the current presentation proposals18:19
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thiagoare there any already?18:20
Stskeepsyeah, libferris, meego on beagleboard and MUEF18:21
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* w00t_ mutters idly about still having no clue what to submit a proposal about18:21
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slaineI'm planning on being a leech and just absorbing everything, not much for public speeking18:21
Stskeepsslaine: up for a beer when there for sure? :P18:22
w00t_(I love hearing myself talk)18:22
slaineWas just about to say, I can't wait to finally meet you guys18:22
w00t_Stskeeps: I believe you owe me a beer for mtouch stuff, and I owe you a vodka?18:22
Stskeepsw00t_: something like that18:22
slaineright, time for the bus18:22
slainecatch you later w00t_18:22
slaineyou too Stskeeps18:23
Stskeepscya18:23
w00t_cya18:23
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w00t_and I'm off for a few hours too18:23
w00t_time to cart horses around.18:23
Stskeepsany of the IVI guys around by chance?18:26
Stskeeps(no, i'm not going to ask about installation guide :P)18:27
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luisthey guys i REALLY need some help here... im running garage with my own application list/repository and i have around 55 applications. im getting many DBus errors, seems that some limit is being exceeded, can anyone help me with that? http://pastie.org/106252218:43
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vasezI compiled vlc via the guide on the wiki, but it has an ugly icon.  I can see the icons in /usr/share/vlc how do I make them pick up19:18
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vit0hi guys,i have an issuse with mic2, i have : ImportError: No module named pykickstart.parser20:09
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Stskeepsinstall pykickstart20:09
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vit0apt-get or git ?20:10
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threezerovit0, git20:14
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vit0i try with : git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/pykickstart.git20:15
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vit0it's work thanks !20:16
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vgradestskeeps, emgd up on a netbook, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=6594#post659420:31
Stskeepscool20:32
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pavlixhello20:32
Stskeepslo20:32
vgradearmika, ping20:33
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aukenice20:39
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aukevgrade: wonder if they can try the xfce4 compository20:40
Stskeepsauke: did you see our netbook ux video on emgd?20:41
Stskeepsauke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI20:41
aukeno time20:42
Stskeepsfair enough20:42
Stskeepsruns flawlessly on gma50020:42
aukeinterviewing more people to hire lol20:42
Stskeepshehe, we do need more hands in meego :)20:42
vgrade\o20:43
pavlixis it possible to run meego virtually? qemu, virtualbox, whatever?20:43
Stskeepspavlix: sec20:44
aukevgrade: did you lose an arm?20:44
Stskeepspavlix: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU20:44
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vgradeauke, :)20:46
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pavlixStskeeps: looks good, wonder why I haven't found it myself20:46
Stskeepsat least it seems like people are finally starting to toy around with meego and see what they can build with it20:47
Stskeepswhich is a healthy sign20:47
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pavlixStskeeps: I'm starting with meego today, surprisingly because of work20:55
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withey guys, is there a list of smartphones that already run meego? :-)21:04
Stskeepsn900 runs meego21:04
Stskeeps:P21:04
Stskeepsaava runs meego21:04
pavlixhmm, it seems the qemu thing won't be so easy21:04
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witn900 huh21:06
witnice21:06
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Stskeepswell, meego has a port for it21:07
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armikavgrade, pong21:43
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vgradearmika, good work on the netbook21:48
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vgradearmika, do you see a meego backgound with an xterm and clock?21:50
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armikavgrade: Thanks, it was nothing. Just following instructions.22:11
armikaYeah, the meego background and xterm and clock22:11
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armikaAnd a mouse cursor22:11
armikaBut the xterm and clock are not responding at all..22:11
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slainescrew this for a game of soldiers. I'm gonna wrap up22:43
slainecatch you all tomorrow22:43
slainew00t_: I still want to have a chat22:44
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vgradearmika, you can't even close them?22:46
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armikaNope..22:50
armikaThey're totally unresponsive.22:50
armikaThe mouse cursor changes for example when pointing to an edge or corner of the clock inidcating that the win is resizeable.22:51
armikaSo it's kind of alive..22:52
armikaI just booted up again to look at the logs.22:52
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armikaAnd if I switch to console (CTRL+ALT+F1) and then back to X it doesn't redraw. The mouse cursor changes like before indicating that the xterm and clock windows are there.22:54
armikaBut the screen is black (excl. the mouse cursor)22:54
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vgradecan you right or left click the square at the top right of the windows to bring up the menu to close the window.22:57
armikaNope22:58
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armikaI'm starting the X from the console using startx22:58
armikamutter reports some Clutter warnings..22:59
vgradeand you've made the edit to Xclients?22:59
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armikain Xorg.0.log there's errors only concerning lid switch and touchpad.22:59
armikaYep, I edited the Xclients22:59
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vgradecan you pastebin the Xorg22:59
armikaI'll try.. never used pastebin before.23:00
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vgradehttp://pastebin.com/23:01
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vgradecopy the log, then paste into the website above, this then gives you a link you can post here23:02
th3hate_can anyone give me  a link to the meego handsets release plan page23:02
Stskeepsth3hate_: there's a global meego release plan23:04
Stskeepssec23:04
Stskeepsth3hate_: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Timeline and http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.123:04
Stskeepsread more about ways things work at http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering23:04
th3hate_tyvm23:05
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th3hate_stskeeps, what after 1.1.0.0? will meego continue to develop?23:10
th3hate_like 1.223:10
Stskeepsth3hate_: yes23:10
th3hate_but only for fixing existing features right?23:10
th3hate_or they will continue to add more?23:11
Stskeepserm, no23:11
Stskeepsthere's a fork for new start of process23:11
Stskeepskeep reading :)23:11
th3hate_oki23:11
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StskeepsDawnFoster: hmm, philosophical question - i'm seeing job announcements for things like 'meego handset integration lead' - while i do believe we need those people and obviously paid and needed right now, .. but is that meritocracy?23:13
DawnFosterStskeeps - Nokia jobs?23:13
StskeepsDawnFoster: intel23:13
timelesshttp://www.indeed.com/job/Meego-Handset-Integration-Lead-at-Intel-in-Hillsboro,-OR-df4c79104c54c4ef23:14
Stskeepsnot complaining, just for good measure - just something people might wonder about :)23:15
DawnFosterI think that's a job for Intel products built on top of MeeGO23:15
DawnFostersince it mentions Moorestown23:15
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DawnFosterI've been seeing similar opening at Nokia, too23:17
Stskeepsyeah23:17
* lcuk has been seeing things @ Microsoft too23:17
Stskeepsbut the 'view job' clearly states it's within typical meego project work sadly, hence me wondering23:17
armikavgrade: http://pastebin.com/eYMGSXKk23:17
DawnFosteralso saw an opening for what looked like Quim's job - open source meego advocate for europe23:17
Stskeepsyeah, now that he's deployed to US, we need someone for the european communities :)23:18
timelesswhy? meego's obviously all american ;-)23:18
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* lbt wonders if these would be better read as "Intel's lead for meego handset integration" "BMW's lead for meego IVI integration"23:19
DawnFoster*wonders how many meego community managers we need*23:19
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lbt323:19
* lcuk knows all about integration :)23:19
StskeepsDawnFoster: one per timezone23:19
lbtrolling 8 hour follow the sun23:19
DawnFosterlbt: apparently :)23:19
Stskeepsor that23:19
Stskeepsbut anyway, it is an interesting challenge re jobs, cos sometimes a lead role has to be paid for (and merit shown in job interview), cos no sane people would do that job for frer23:20
lbtDawnFoster: so are you moving to Asia or Quim ;)23:20
Stskeepse23:20
Stskeeps:P23:20
lcukDawnFoster, the open source advocate isnt a community manager is it?23:20
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StskeepsDawnFoster: there was a funny phrase in that particular job23:21
Stskeepssec23:21
Stskeeps(the advocate one)23:22
Stskeeps'Your means of communication will not include meego.com, wikis, presentations, and events such as the MeeGo conference.'23:23
lbtIt was "Doctor, Doctor..."23:23
DawnFosterstskeeps - interesting23:23
StskeepsDawnFoster: note the 'not'23:24
Stskeepsi had to read that twice as well :)23:24
Stskeepsanyway, off to sleep for me, a fun day of debugging connman ahead of me tomorrow.23:25
Stskeepsbbl23:25
DawnFosterlater Stskeeps23:25
Stskeepsheh, just one thought before sleep: we could add a link to the various meego jobs boards in 'contribute to meego' wiki page as well, i mean, it is contribution afterall and shows ability to involve :)23:27
* w00t_ slaps Stskeeps with a trout. :p23:28
VDVsxno meego.org and open source advocate don't seems right :D23:28
VDVsxperhaps Forum Nokia stuff23:28
DawnFosterwe really need a MeeGo job board23:29
VDVsxisn't there one at LF ?23:29
Stskeepsi'm actually fairly happy about linkedin's job board in the meego group, keeps me updated re new positions and such23:30
vgradearmika, looks ok, i'll check it aginst my Joggler log later23:30
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Stskeeps(and both nokia and intel posts there)23:30
vgradearmika, what were the clutter errors23:30
DawnFosterStskeeps: the problem with linked in job boards is that you have to be a member of the group to see the jobs23:30
Stskeepsyeah, that's the downside23:31
lcukDawnFoster, not a problem23:31
Stskeepsfree-to-join group though23:31
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lcukMeego is a community - becoming a member of meego group should be the same?23:31
lcukyeah23:31
DawnFosterthe LF has one, and we need to work with them to include the meego jobs23:31
DawnFosterexcept that when you send someone the link they need to join the group to see them23:32
DawnFosternot everyone wants to join yet another thing23:32
DawnFosterIt's the best we have right now, though23:32
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VDVsxsomething like this at meego.org would be cool, if filtered from LF job border better: http://maemo.org/news/jobs/23:37
armikavgrade: Aug  5 05:57:30 localhost mutter[1351]: GLIB WARNING ** Clutter - The actor 'MnbAlttabOverlay' is currently inside an allocation cycle; calling clutter_actor_queue_relayout() is not recommended23:38
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armikaAlso for actors ClutterGroup and MnbNotificationCluster23:39
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armikaHmm.. There's also23:41
armikaOops..23:41
armikaThere's couple of mutter errors in system log about not being able to open display23:42
armikaI need to check those tomorrow..23:44
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vgradethere should also be a uxlaunch log, in /tmp or /var/tmp23:46
vgradepastebin them and I'll have a look23:46
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skajaI have a question about meego23:48
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lbtskaja: just ask23:51
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skajaI am trying to write the .img file onto my 2gb flash drive. but When I check to see if the files where wirten onto the drive. it needs to be formated23:52
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Phazorxskaja: windows is not smart enough to comprehend neither partition layout nor the partition format23:56
Phazorxjust set bios to boo fro usb flash and try it23:56
skajathank you Phazorx23:56
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