| kerio | yeah? | 00:00 |
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| kerio | and they *do* have the right sudoers.d file | 00:00 |
| kerio | it's the one **used by ham** | 00:00 |
| kerio | ham doesn't magically install shit | 00:00 |
| kerio | it's not run as root, thankfully | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so it's not HAM that's root but sudo apt-worker? I see | 00:01 |
| kerio | it's a bit silly though | 00:03 |
| kerio | i mean, it's not like it's less of a security risk | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and not really more complicated to plumb my hdsu in | 00:03 |
| kerio | yes, it is :) | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no it's not | 00:04 |
| kerio | now you have to input the password every time apt-worker is restarted | 00:04 |
| kerio | aka on every operation | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, because I'm a smart sucker ;-P | 00:04 |
| kerio | k | 00:04 |
| kerio | btw, <DocScrutinizer05> [...] I'm a [...] sucker [...] | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I might even exploit sudo's own timeout password cache facility | 00:08 |
| kerio | ooh, how? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tricky | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still pondering | 00:09 |
| kerio | oh | 00:11 |
| kerio | we're stupid | 00:11 |
| kerio | and by we i mean you, because you're the one doing this | 00:11 |
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| kerio | -A (askpass) | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something like [`id` -eq 0] && apt-worker "$@" || zenity --entry | sudo $0 "$@" ? | 00:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: remember that HAM calls "sudo apt-worker" | 00:12 |
| kerio | askpass option in sudoers | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 00:12 |
| kerio | neat | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something like [`id` -eq 0] && apt-worker_real "$@" || zenity --entry | sudo $0 "$@" ? | 00:12 |
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| kerio | no, because that program would always run as `id` -eq 0 | 00:13 |
| kerio | unless you mean that you wrap around HAM and then add this | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, right | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *really* should call it a day | 00:14 |
| kerio | just find a way to make HAM call apt-worker with -A | 00:14 |
| kerio | and then manually change the sudoers line | 00:15 |
| kerio | hell, serious CSSU improvement: HAM should call "sudo -A apt-worker" | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, how am I going to do that? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll probably change the apt-worker sudoers.d-file to not allow user to call it. Then wrap HAM into sudo | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I probably don't give a shit if HAM is run as root instead as user | 00:18 |
| kerio | i hope your root user can sudo whatever it wants with NOPASSWD | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:18 |
| kerio | if so, you can just remove hildon-application-manager.sudoers | 00:18 |
| kerio | :) | 00:18 |
| kerio | oh nvm | 00:19 |
| kerio | that's exactly what you said | 00:19 |
| kerio | (kinda) | 00:19 |
| kerio | hm, i'm still not convinced this is a neat way to do that | 00:19 |
| kerio | sudo's askpass feels better | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'll exploit it for invoking HAM | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mv hildon-application-manager hildon-application-manager_real | 00:20 |
| kerio | no! | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | create a shellscript hildon-application-manager that just does sudo -A hildon-application-manager_real | 00:21 |
| kerio | use a dpkg divert! :D | 00:21 |
| kerio | also isn't HAM one of the maemolauncherized applications? | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I'll do that. Will ask you how to do | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHAHA good point | 00:22 |
| kerio | still, you should divert the symlink | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2012-07-18 23:07 /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fuuuuck | 00:23 |
| kerio | dpkg-divert --divert /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager --rename /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.orig | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help at all | 00:23 |
| kerio | and then just make your shell script run maemo-invoker /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch | 00:24 |
| kerio | :) | 00:24 |
| kerio | well | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | invoking /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager starts maemo-invoker which in turn does dbus chat to his own elder already running instance afaik | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the older instance starts /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously NOT as root | 00:25 |
| kerio | SUDO_ASKPASS=maemo-get-passwd sudo maemo-invoker /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch | 00:25 |
| kerio | gaah | 00:25 |
| kerio | SUDO_ASKPASS=maemo-get-passwd sudo -A maemo-invoker /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch | 00:25 |
| kerio | ... | 00:25 |
| kerio | oh fuck me | 00:26 |
| kerio | this isn't gnu sudo, is it | 00:26 |
| kerio | GOD FUCKING DAMMIT NOKIA | 00:26 |
| kerio | WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SHIT THE BED LIKE THIS | 00:26 |
| kerio | THE N900 CAN RUN FUCKING OPENOFFICE | 00:26 |
| kerio | IT CAN HANDLE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER SUDO | 00:26 |
| * kerio doesn't even know why he bothers | 00:27 | |
| * kerio shakes his fist at Elop, just because | 00:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no -A ? | 00:27 |
| kerio | nope | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually... | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu inprovement request ( (c) kerio): get newer sudo with proper support for -A and genuine subdirs, get rid of update-sudoers abomination | 00:29 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a proper sudo would just complain about a lack of tty when launched by HAM | 00:30 |
| kerio | and would try the default askpass | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hte increased size of sudo binary easily gets balanced by the obsolete bloated /etc/sudoers then | 00:30 |
| kerio | yay | 00:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm sure you'll check for all the edge cases :) | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll do | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 00:31 |
| kerio | =D | 00:37 |
| kerio | i'm useful, yay | 00:37 |
| JZA | hi DocScrutinizer05 I got my phone updated to Maemo 5 SSU | 00:50 |
| JZA | DocScrutinizer05: however I still get a .ini error message when I tried to use the Extended features app | 00:51 |
| JZA | I followed the CSSU wikipage | 00:51 |
| JZA | and got the testing repos | 00:51 |
| JZA | I can use the 'fix config' but I am not sure if I should yet | 00:52 |
| JZA | want to ask your opinion. | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not using it, since I gather the extended features app is unmaintained and out of sync to cssu | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features instead | 00:53 |
| JZA | ok | 00:55 |
| kerio | yeah, just edit transitions.ini manually | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well there's a transitions editor too, no? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or am I mistaken and that_is_ the cssu-features editor | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one is living in settings, the other in powerbutton-menu | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of them never really worked since it always complaints about .ini incompatibility, the other one... dunno | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU tuner (living in settings) seems to "work" | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the other one in powerbutton menu is the one complaining | 01:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 should get rid of that one | 01:04 | |
| JZA | I see this clarifies it yet. Should I get rid of this CSSU features then? | 01:06 |
| JZA | I think I got the one that always complains about transitions.ini | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: I think there's not much use in a CSSU features editor that doen't know about a significant percentage of currently available features and even wants to reset .ini file to a version that doesn't have all those features | 01:12 |
| JZA | I see, so should I limit myself to gconf? | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: as stated above, try "CSSU Tuner" | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it kinda works for me | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might still miss some new features but at least doesn't barf up on them | 01:14 |
| JZA | ok | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the rest you're left with gconftool ;-) | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and editor of your choice for the transitions.ini file | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while somebody should either kick ass of some cssu tweaker tool maintainer, or claim maintainership and finally update that stuff and move it to cssu-extras | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since, while it's not strictly fulfilling the prerequisite of "not distributable via extras(-*) repos" it still is *clearly* a CSSU-only package, at least since it's completely useless on non-CSSU systems | 01:17 |
| JZA | oddly I cant find CSSU Tuner on my repo, maybe I need to get an extra repo? or I can install it directly. | 01:21 |
| JZA | I do have Community SSU (testing) repo. | 01:21 |
| chem|st | cssu features is in extras don't know about tuner lmc | 01:24 |
| chem|st | cssutransitionstuner is in extras-testing | 01:26 |
| JZA | ok got it, is on extras-dev | 01:30 |
| kerio | JZA: don't use them | 01:30 |
| kerio | they're all kinda bad | 01:30 |
| JZA | so whats the .deb URL for the package? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: you probably don't want Community SSU (testing) repo. | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry, nonsense | 01:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but cssu-stable is old! | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what's bad with cssutransitionstuner? | 01:33 |
| kerio | hm, i actually don't know | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems to 'just work' for me, even while it's missing a few features | 01:34 |
| kerio | it's only for transitions.ini though | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 01:34 |
| kerio | meh, i edited very little of it | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-06 00:14:51] <DocScrutinizer05> for the rest you're left with gconftool ;-) [2012-09-06 00:15:11] <DocScrutinizer05> and editor of your choice for the transitions.ini file | 01:35 |
| kerio | like, the only thing is that i made the background for tasknav and launcher stay still | 01:35 |
| kerio | and also parallax 1 for the home screens | 01:35 |
| kerio | but i only have one screen anywayt | 01:35 |
| kerio | anyway | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I need to redo a few transition speedups, particularly flying thumbnails in taskswitcher (on ctrl-bs) | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while it looks 'cool' it actually sucks when too slow, it will not notice ctrl-release | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no fast switching between two apps | 01:37 |
| kerio | oh, i don't have that one | 01:37 |
| kerio | i don't like it :c | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I like it a lot | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | switching between two apps back and forth in 0.1s | 01:38 |
| kerio | i find it faster to ctrl+bs and then q/w/e/r/a/s/d/f | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can do that still | 01:38 |
| kerio | yeah but the initial ctrl+bs changes stuff | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just release ctrl before bs | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using alt-tab all day long on my PC, wouldn't want to miss it on N900 | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to add some 2 more hotkeys to the q/w/e/r/a/s/d/f: one for going 'up' to desktop, and one to go 'down' to app launcher menu | 01:42 |
| kerio | maybe ctrl+bs :) | 01:43 |
| kerio | oh no, up to desktop | 01:43 |
| kerio | nvm | 01:43 |
| kerio | hmm | 01:43 |
| kerio | up and down? :) | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and app launcher could use a search feature just like e.g. in contacts | 01:43 |
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| JZA | DocScrutinizer05: so how can I launch the CSSU Tuner? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | öook at settings | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look* | 01:51 |
| JZA | ah thanks | 01:51 |
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| kerio | wait, isn't cssu tuner a program? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, kinda | 01:58 |
| kerio | i don't remember it having a settings applet too | 01:58 |
| kerio | i remember it having a weird powerkey menu entry | 01:58 |
| kerio | for some stupid reason | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that's the other weird crap | 01:59 |
| chem|st | both are crap! | 01:59 |
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| SpacedOut | I have a usable suspend to memory working, and musb_hdrc/twl4030_usb working as modules. The clock needed to be updated after resume, fixed some WARN_ON issues, and it wasn't talking/charging from a USB port. I'm working on cleaning up the kernel patches as I added a bunch of debugging to figure it out. | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, basically useless, since you can't keep modem from sending unsolicited messages for e.g. signal level changes etc. If you block the hw IF on SoC it won't resume on inbound calls | 06:20 |
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| SpacedOut | The only times I've used it I put it in offline mode first. Like flying, "all electronic devices must have their power switch in the off position", a device like this has the off position the same as the on position. Since there's no full 'off' with the battery installed, (clock is still ticking), suspend to memory is almost the same. | 06:41 |
| SpacedOut | I would do suspend to disk, but that's not an option for arm. | 06:44 |
| SpacedOut | Nothing says someone else couldn't wake up, check the modem and go back to sleep if it wasn't anything interesting. But that wasn't my goal anyway. | 06:51 |
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| luf | chem|st: ping | 09:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, is there no way to tell the modem only to report certain stuff? | 10:21 |
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| chem|st | luf: pong | 11:20 |
| chem|st | luf: you are the curl god? | 11:20 |
| luf | :D No at all | 11:30 |
| luf | chem|st: just to ensure you know that the version you use for stable has bug with IPv6 ... | 11:31 |
| chem|st | luf: doesn't matter it is so old that anything can pull the version from extras... | 11:42 |
| chem|st | luf: extras holds ...25 I uploaded ...18 | 11:43 |
| chem|st | but we are aware | 11:43 |
| luf | It's impossible without CSSU. I agree it's possible with CSSU :) I want to remove newer version from extras when this goes into CSSU. | 11:43 |
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| chem|st | luf: I cannot upload anything not even in testing | 11:45 |
| luf | Ok, np. I just want to inform you. | 11:45 |
| kerio | wait, isn't curl a system package? | 11:45 |
| chem|st | well I can but I'd like to have merlin1991 introduce the new commits to testing, and give it 10 days | 11:46 |
| chem|st | kerio: go back where you came from! | 11:46 |
| kerio | oh, libcurl is | 11:46 |
| kerio | i see | 11:46 |
| chem|st | kerio: yes it is, and we have a version (patched) but from the nokia sources | 11:46 |
| kerio | wait, so extras overloads a nokia package? :O | 11:47 |
| kerio | madness | 11:47 |
| chem|st | just libcurl | 11:47 |
| chem|st | and that is not system critical | 11:47 |
| luf | kerio: Yes, my beginner mistake | 11:47 |
| luf | Please shoot me into head. | 11:47 |
| kerio | chem|st: i didn't say critical, i said nokia | 11:48 |
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| chem|st | luf: how did it make it into extras makes me wonder, such stuff should be stuck in extras-testing forever | 11:48 |
| chem|st | kerio: ok ;) | 11:48 |
| luf | kerio: there is maybe some bug. As they don't allow it but they have no curl binary package. I add also curl from the one source and they recognize it and allow to replace also libcurl3 :) | 11:49 |
| luf | How to describe it better. | 11:49 |
| chem|st | luf: merlin1991 will introduce the git stuff in next testing, I will wait 10days of quarantine | 11:49 |
| luf | chem|st: As I wrote no problem no press. Just to know. | 11:50 |
| chem|st | luf: we recognized it last night as I had a missing epoch string for dosfstools, so merlin checked back with me all updates and we found libcurl guilty! | 11:51 |
| chem|st | also libxml is somewhat weird | 11:51 |
| luf | In source for curl (from nokia) was removed curl package. I add it and send it into extras-devel (I didn't know it's not allowed) and in log is that libcurl3 isn't allowed but few lines below it find curl package which is new and so the compilation and all went through also with libcurl3. | 11:52 |
| chem|st | lol | 11:52 |
| luf | That's the begin of the story. | 11:52 |
| chem|st | that autobuilder fscker is so mad | 11:53 |
| luf | Yes :) | 11:53 |
| chem|st | do we need curl btw? do you need curl? | 11:54 |
| luf | I need curl for synchronization (contacts + cal) at least. | 11:54 |
| luf | It stucked in extras-testing it doesn't reach extras. But a lot of people use extras-testing. | 11:55 |
| luf | I had problem with cipher not recognized. And after that freemangordon had the problem with facebook plugin and IPv6 which newer version fixed. | 11:56 |
| chem|st | luf: yeah the one I tested with a brave strong heartbeat the second after built | 11:59 |
| chem|st | "I just built a new system package, someone here to test it real quick?" | 12:00 |
| chem|st | the answer should be "are you crazy, brick your device not mine!" | 12:01 |
| luf | :) | 12:02 |
| luf | curl isn't so critical | 12:02 |
| chem|st | I will let merlin handle the introduction, I could just ask you for the commit that is in extras and push it but that would be the wrong way around | 12:03 |
| chem|st | luf: the "system package" is essential in the sentence, you asked me for trying out on libcurl3 only... | 12:04 |
| luf | Ok I'll be more precise with it next time. | 12:06 |
| chem|st | ;) | 12:06 |
| chem|st | what is current? .26? | 12:06 |
| chem|st | in extras is .25 right? | 12:07 |
| luf | From my point of view it's just library for accessing web and other protocols. | 12:07 |
| luf | Current is .26 | 12:07 |
| luf | In extras is older one. I sopped with extras after someone pointed me to CSSU. | 12:07 |
| chem|st | the one I tested was .25 | 12:07 |
| chem|st | the one I have installed is .25 | 12:07 |
| luf | libcurl3 is also tested by millions of user in debian ;) | 12:08 |
| chem|st | yeah just to make sure to not release something as stable we did not try on the phone for good | 12:09 |
| chem|st | and m5 is somewhat etch'y | 12:10 |
| luf | I'm using .26 for 3 months (+-) | 12:10 |
| chem|st | "how can I switch my device in CSSU mode?" on tmo | 12:16 |
| merlin1991 | rofl | 12:19 |
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| kerio | how can i what | 12:21 |
| luf | What is CSSU? :D | 12:26 |
| jon_y | N900: the expansion pack | 12:27 |
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| ivgalvez | merlin1991 ping | 12:36 |
| chem|st | ivgalvez: he is off at a beach, exams are over^^ | 12:37 |
| luf | Are you sure? - (11:19:17 AM) merlin1991: rofl | 12:37 |
| ivgalvez | I wanted to ask him about the repository management | 12:37 |
| ivgalvez | we have next meeting with X-Fade tomorrow | 12:37 |
| chem|st | ah cool! my ssh-key did not work yesterday | 12:38 |
| ivgalvez | and I wanted to chek if his permissions to delete/promote applications are finally working | 12:38 |
| ivgalvez | which applies to recent discussion | 12:38 |
| ivgalvez | packages upgrading system stuff in Extras | 12:38 |
| chem|st | ah ok, no idea I know only about community and community-testing | 12:39 |
| ivgalvez | right now you can upload whatever you want to Extras, which could be fine to do to Devel if not everyone was using it rigtht now | 12:39 |
| ivgalvez | as an example, sqlite3 by marmistrz | 12:39 |
| ivgalvez | is now in extras devel | 12:39 |
| ivgalvez | the same way than libcurls was first in extras before luf entered CSSU | 12:40 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 12:40 |
| ivgalvez | once merlin1991 gains real powers on repositories I hope we could start fixing some issues with faulty packages and lack of promotion | 12:42 |
| * merlin1991 checks if the webinterface got better | 12:57 | |
| merlin1991 | nope I still see no delete / promote button | 12:58 |
| merlin1991 | ivgalvez: ^^ | 12:58 |
| kerio | and lack of diffindex! | 13:02 |
| merlin1991 | also I'm not on a beach, but next to a lake :) | 13:09 |
| kerio | btw, i still have a warning when i apt-get update | 13:10 |
| kerio | something related to binutils | 13:10 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: that has todo with the gcc in extras-devel | 13:10 |
| kerio | yeah but i'm telling you guys because you're the repo managers or something like that | 13:11 |
| merlin1991 | well technically, but not practically :D | 13:13 |
| ivgalvez | sad | 13:28 |
| ivgalvez | well I'll insist to X-Fade | 13:28 |
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