IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Friday, 2012-09-07

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kerioi just noticed that i get two entries in the connection dialog for wifi networks with WPS, one with and one without12:56
keriois this a cssu addition?12:56
merlin1991kerio: that's same as on stock13:00
kerioare you sure? i never noticed13:00
keriowas it added in PR1.3?13:00
merlin1991possibly, I remember it at least that I had it before cssu13:02
merlin1991and I know we didn't change anyhting related to that13:02
kerioi don't remember it but i jumped from pr1.2 to cssu13:02
merlin1991(since the wifi bits are mostly closed)13:02
arceanhmm, /topic is outdated :P13:05
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merlin1991better? :)13:07
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arceanhehe, yes :)13:07
merlin1991I guess I'll finish the new -testing tonight, should I include your mg aswell?13:09
arceanIf you have time to merge changes, why not :)13:10
keriois cbsms fixed?13:11
kerioalso, what adds the extra triggers for the call duration to rtcom-eventlogger?13:18
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DocScrutinizer05new S followed/paralleled by new T confused hell outa me last few days. sorry for a few inappropriate comments that were meant to T but given in response to S topics14:04
lufkerio: without this triggers you have no endtime in call history so you don't know how long the call takes.14:13
kerioluf: i asked what adds those triggers, not what those triggers add14:14
DocScrutinizer05my script adds them ;-)14:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: when?14:15
DocScrutinizer05nothing in cssu adds them afaik14:15
keriooh14:15
keriowait, really?14:15
lufI have no call durations (empty endtime).14:16
keriono, i meant14:16
kerioi thought it was something added to cssu14:16
DocScrutinizer05luf: run that friggin script! ;-D14:16
lufI'm using testing CSSU ...14:16
DocScrutinizer05kerio: it's pending14:16
keriois it pending in -devel?14:16
DocScrutinizer05no, as a task in garage14:17
keriolaaaaaaaaaaame14:17
lufDocS: I don't miss it so much. I want to complete this task for next testing. But we'll see.14:17
keriomerlin1991: will the silly cbsms logging bug be fixed in this testing?14:17
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yes14:17
DocScrutinizer05unless we fixed it for S but not for T now ;-P14:18
kerio:O14:18
kerioit's in S?14:18
keriomadness14:18
DocScrutinizer05I HOPE it's not14:18
DocScrutinizer05new S followed/paralleled by new T confused hell outa me last few days. sorry for a few inappropriate comments that were meant to T but given in response to S topics14:18
kerioyou already said that14:18
kerioi didn't know you were old enough to forget stuff like that14:19
DocScrutinizer05I honestly dunno why we hurried that much to get the fix into source and build, when it's for T like it should14:19
kerioGrampaScrutinizer: because there's a T release in a very short time14:20
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I thought you haven't seen it, otherwise you might have been able to tell why I think it could've been in S14:20
DocScrutinizer05I bet chem|st and merlin1991 are a good bit younger and less confused than me14:21
DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-07 12:09:12] <merlin1991> I guess I'll finish the new -testing tonight, should I include your mg aswell?14:22
DocScrutinizer05so no idea why we hurried THAT much yesterday14:22
kerioidk14:22
kerioalso LOL, i never noticed this before14:22
kerio07.08.0112 10:53:05 service provider name match14:23
keriothis is *not* 112 AD14:23
DocScrutinizer05indeed, maybe arab calendar14:23
keriocbsms should really be cleaned14:24
DocScrutinizer05recalling the way timestamp is created/generated in each of those fprintf() I dunno though how that can happen14:24
DocScrutinizer05are you sure your system time isn't completely off?14:25
kerioven  7 set 2012 13:25:19 CEST14:25
kerionope14:25
DocScrutinizer05:nod:14:25
keriootoh, we're 112 years after 190014:25
DocScrutinizer05however look at this: >> fprintf(f,"%sincoming cell tower name %s, cell id %d\n",get_timestamp(),utf8,priv->cell_id);14:26
keriobut Y2K was 12 years ago, i thought we fixed that14:26
kerioDocScrutinizer05: go look at the specific line14:26
kerio(i can't, i don't have the source)14:26
DocScrutinizer05me neither14:26
DocScrutinizer05here you are https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line69014:28
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DocScrutinizer05(not the line, but source)14:29
DocScrutinizer05I leave it as an exercise up to you to spot the right line14:29
kerioit's... that one?14:29
DocScrutinizer05(since you didn't even tell it's a unique line problem)14:30
keriohm, how is localtime(time(NULL))->tm_year defined?14:30
keriotm_year   The number of years since 1900.14:30
kerioYEP14:30
keriowhy doesn't that... thing... use strftime?14:31
DocScrutinizer05why is gitorious down?14:31
DocScrutinizer05aah better14:32
DocScrutinizer05stalls on 72% now14:32
keriohttps://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line8314:33
keriooh god, static buffer14:33
DocScrutinizer05FFS forget it I can't access gitorious14:34
DocScrutinizer05hmmm?14:35
kerio...why is this on my n900? :'(14:36
DocScrutinizer05because you're a bleeding edge junkie14:36
keriotrue, true14:36
DocScrutinizer05and we appreciiate that14:37
DocScrutinizer05otherwise it probably wouldn't have seen any *decent* tests yet14:37
DocScrutinizer05anyway sorry, can't get source from friggin git14:38
DocScrutinizer05so o/14:38
DocScrutinizer05big bluebox calling14:38
keriobig bluebox?14:40
DocScrutinizer05~rl14:41
infobothmm... rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm).  Conways game using only rational numbers14:41
kerioew :c14:41
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo real life14:44
infobotreal life -- created by wolfie <brian@mo73.housing.hawaii.edu> at Sun Mar 19 10:25:03 2000 (4555 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008.14:44
DocScrutinizer05smart hackers14:44
DocScrutinizer05conway's game of life, based only on reals, BWAHAHAHA14:45
DocScrutinizer05each hacker knows there IS NO such thing like "real (game of) Life"14:45
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DocScrutinizer05unless you use fractional number of dimensions14:46
DocScrutinizer05or zombie state for life in cells represented as 1/314:46
keriomeh, you just need three states for that14:48
DocScrutinizer05"how many squares/qubes ajacent to the square/qube under test have an object in them?"  "2.3055189E2"14:48
DocScrutinizer05right, zombie state is absolutely nonsensical14:49
DocScrutinizer05a typical case where silly coders tend to use real for no good reason, since the value space is discrete and not contiguous14:50
DocScrutinizer05add $0.50 plus $0.10  --- humm let's use float for that14:51
kerio:D14:51
kerioit's actually against a bunch of certifications for financial stuff14:52
DocScrutinizer05for good reason14:52
kerioyou need fixed-point with four decimals for mone14:52
kerioy14:52
DocScrutinizer05since in float you get $0.6079345383747 as result14:52
kerio0.5 + 0.1 == 0.6 in python14:53
kerio:)14:53
DocScrutinizer05in COBOL you even may use 9.9999 DISPLAY14:53
DocScrutinizer05;-D14:54
DocScrutinizer05but NEVER use COMP14:54
DocScrutinizer05(aka float/real)14:54
keriopython is smarter14:54
kerioit uses the shortest decimal representation that evaluates to that float14:54
kerioand it also only uses doubles :)14:54
DocScrutinizer05shell even smarter, it never uses anything but DISPLAY14:55
DocScrutinizer05but then unlimited digits precision afaik14:55
kerioheh14:55
kerioit's also really inefficient though14:55
DocScrutinizer05~0.999999999999999999999999999999999 + 0.00000000000000000000000000114:56
infobot114:56
DocScrutinizer05depends on your definition of efficiency14:56
keriohm, python also has arbitrary precision decimals14:56
DocScrutinizer05~0.999999999999999999999999999999999 + 0.00000000000000000000000000214:57
infobot114:57
DocScrutinizer05lol14:57
DocScrutinizer05~2+0.514:57
infobot2.514:57
DocScrutinizer05mhm14:57
DocScrutinizer05well and shell actually doesn't handle decimals at all, sorry for nonsense spread14:58
DocScrutinizer05tzzz git resurrected15:01
DocScrutinizer05https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line83  indeed :-S15:01
DocScrutinizer05thought it's a glib function15:02
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DocScrutinizer05however I can't spot where your Y2K problem comes from15:03
keriowhat do you mean?15:03
kerioTm->tm_year15:03
keriotm_year   The number of years since 1900.15:04
kerio(from the ctime(3) man page)15:04
keriowell, localtime(3)15:04
DocScrutinizer05sure15:04
DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with sprintf("%04d", tm->year)?15:05
luftm->year is usually number od years since 1900 ;)15:06
DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with sprintf(mystringbuffer, "%04d", tm->tm_year)?15:06
DocScrutinizer05OOOOOH LOL15:06
kerioDocScrutinizer05: because tm_year is the number of years since 190015:06
kerioand in 2012, it's 10215:06
luf102+10 ;)15:06
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kerioer, yes15:06
kerioAND YOU SHOULD USE THE FUCKING STRFTIME15:06
ShadowJKno! printf("19%d", tm->year); is oviously correct !15:07
* ShadowJK remembers receiving emails from 19100 15:07
DocScrutinizer05YEEEAAAAH!!!15:08
luf:D15:08
keriohttp://www.escolacena.com.br/15:08
kerioData: Sexta-Feira, 07/09/1911215:08
DocScrutinizer05ok, big blue box can't be as mad as this :-D15:08
DocScrutinizer057me heads out adding H2O to the soil of stupid green lifeforms in the garden15:09
kerioi have / as shift+7 too ^_^15:09
kerio...not on the n900 though15:09
DocScrutinizer05seems my typing gets worse every year, due to loss of muscle coordination15:10
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if that's beginning Alzheimer, Parkinson, or simply called "age"15:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yes15:12
DocScrutinizer05wtf Sexta-Feira15:13
kerioSexta-feira é o sexto dia da semana, seguindo a quinta-feira e precedendo o sábado15:14
DocScrutinizer056th day of week, celebrate Freya?15:14
kerioportuguese sucks15:14
DocScrutinizer05aaah feira is week?15:15
keriosemana is week15:15
DocScrutinizer05thought as much15:15
DocScrutinizer05with my 3 words spanish15:15
DocScrutinizer05so what's feira?15:16
keriosegunda-feira, terça-feira, quarta-feira, quinta-feira, sexta-feira, sàbado, domingo15:16
keriowtf15:16
kerioWHERE'S prima-feira YOU MORONS15:16
kerioDocScrutinizer05: "fair"15:16
DocScrutinizer05domingo15:16
DocScrutinizer05now start weekday counting with monday in your programs/excel-sheets/etc and confusion is *perfect*15:17
DocScrutinizer05segunda-feira==115:18
DocScrutinizer05domingo==715:18
DocScrutinizer05;-P15:18
kerioit's actually not really confusing15:18
kerioIF YOU USE PROPER LOCALE-AWARE FUNCTIONS15:18
DocScrutinizer05fsck braindead locales15:19
DocScrutinizer05at least I see now why there's an option for START_OF_WEEK==sunday15:19
DocScrutinizer05something conveniently ignored when morons define 'smart' company-internal date format like 1239:115:21
keriowat15:21
DocScrutinizer05or even 239:115:21
DocScrutinizer05201_2_, 39th week, day one15:22
kerioew15:22
DocScrutinizer05no kidding15:22
DocScrutinizer05129 --- WTF now, is this document from 2012 week 9, or from 2011 week 29 ???? >:-(15:23
keriofrom 2001 week 29 you mean15:24
keriohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Week_dates15:24
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kerioif you don't use standards, you suck15:24
DocScrutinizer05nah, they conveniently ignore tens in years15:24
DocScrutinizer05sometimes15:24
DocScrutinizer05and of course no week 09, it's just 915:24
keriooh gof15:25
keriogod15:25
DocScrutinizer051297, looks similarly stupid for today's date15:26
DocScrutinizer05I guess STE invented that in 2001, when they pondered how to fuck up better than Y2K15:27
DocScrutinizer05U got an idea about my daily WTF when working in this company15:28
kerioi suppose they weren't expecting to last until 201115:28
kerio:D15:28
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DocScrutinizer05FUUUCK! new marble has black-on-black-text issue in route-planning screen16:37
DocScrutinizer05I thouhgt this been a Qt bug fixed like 18 months ago?! >:-(16:38
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DocScrutinizer05ok, completely borked, FINE :((((16:40
DocScrutinizer05I just hope that's not due to CSSU-T Qt messing16:41
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: wait, you can't read black-on-black?16:57
kerioman, your eyesight really sucks16:57
DocScrutinizer05meh16:58
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DocScrutinizer05If I wouldn't feel that pissed, I'd install friggin marble on a fsckng stock PR1.3.1 and test it there16:59
DocScrutinizer05worst thing: I don't have most recent BM-backup to restore to old marble version17:00
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DocScrutinizer05after all it would be a not completely irrelevant detail if this bug is caused by marble or by cssu-t17:02
keriomadness17:02
DocScrutinizer05and yes, I recall ivgalvez et al nagging about "so you think Qt update on cssu was *not* risky?!"17:02
keriohaha17:02
kerioanyway, test it on stock17:02
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DocScrutinizer05meh, gotta get breakfast first17:04
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DocScrutinizer05brunch, brinner, whatever17:04
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: so, is it confirmed a cssu-t bug?17:17
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: srsly, how much are you eating? :o18:08
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* merlin1991 owns a fsckd car18:37
merlin1991fuel pump died today :/18:37
keriorecompile it18:37
jon_yrelink it18:39
jon_yhah, reassemble it18:39
ivgalvezmerlin199118:42
merlin1991ivgalvez: afaik that's my nick18:42
ivgalvezwe are talking to X-Fade at maemo-meeting18:42
merlin1991yeah saw he said someone came back who can look at it18:42
ivgalvezI assume repo management still not working18:42
merlin1991yep18:42
ivgalvezok18:43
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Siceloinstalling 21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.122:28
Sicelothanks for your efforts everyone22:28
Sicelogreat PDF Viewer is looking good22:31
Sicelo\o/22:31
keriohuh? pdfviewer was updated?22:39
Siceloyeah.. with translations22:44
Siceloon Stable, at least.. i don't know about Testing22:44
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merlin1991Sicelo: been in testing for long :)23:46
Siceloindeed. heh.23:47
Siceloi almost got brave enough to ask what's holding up a new stable. then again, i reproached myself, knowing i have dev'd zero of the stuff that's there :P23:48
Siceloke-recv is really nice here :P23:59
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