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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: yep you did | 00:07 |
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| freemangordon | the task is still 0% open | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | well I didn't finish it ;) | 00:07 |
| NIN101 | what, microb engine is now open source? | 00:37 |
| merlin1991 | NIN101: always was | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | NIN101, sure | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | UI is closed poiece of... | 00:37 |
| merlin1991 | but that's only the renderin engine, not the ui you see | 00:37 |
| NIN101 | hm | 00:38 |
| NIN101 | so in theory it would be possible to replace the gecko with a newer version? | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | sure | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | but in practice, You need to replace or Re UI | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | RE* | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | as it's fuckin tied to engine | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | but, freemangordon and zeq are working on making fennec usable, fast, and feature complete for N900 | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | so it will be probably not required, soon | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | even now, things they've achieved are awesome | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | in my humble opinion :) | 00:40 |
| arcean | merlin1991, ping | 00:45 |
| arcean | ~logs | 00:45 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo%2dssu/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | arcean: pong | 00:47 |
| arcean | merlin1991: I've a question regarding FP10 for Maemo and CSSU | 00:48 |
| merlin1991 | ... | 00:48 |
| merlin1991 | or shall I have to invoke ~ask? :D | 00:48 |
| arcean | llet's assume that we will somehow have a FP10 from Nokia | 00:49 |
| arcean | would it be possible to include to CSSU? | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | depends entirely on nokia | 00:49 |
| kerio | that's a really bold assumption | 00:49 |
| arcean | where Nokia = Nokia internal repo | 00:49 |
| kerio | unless you know something that we don't | 00:50 |
| kerio | arcean: accessible from the outside? | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | if they have a stand like with the other non-free stuff in cssu then we can | 00:50 |
| arcean | merlin1991: FP10 for Maemo from Nokia Internal repo is floating there and there ... | 00:50 |
| kerio | floating *where*? | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | if they attach a (c) that allows redistribution we can have it aswell | 00:51 |
| merlin1991 | if they say nothing we can't do anything | 00:51 |
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| Estel_ | merlin1991, and what about quim's exception? | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | that it's allowed for usage with Nokia devices? | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | generally, close things from Nokia | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | that only counts for (c) nokia | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | btw, acrena, it's nothing new, we knoiw about this shit for some time ;0 | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, true | 00:59 |
| arcean | Estel_, the problem is, they haven't release that | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | well | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | I don't mind torrent or some upload services | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | and wget script | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | for masses | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | sure, I would preffer it in CSSU, but it looks like lost situation | 00:59 |
| arcean | Estel_, I know, but maybe someone else would like to 'haz' it :) | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | retards haven't released it, so it lies unused, and we can't do anything about it | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | arcean, sure | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | and I think torrent/upload service and script that automagically wgets and unpack where approriate is best we can count on :( | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | Nokia won't release a single byte of code | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | when I was Councilor, it was told boldly | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | they don't give a f about it, for them, it can root in their repos forever, or even dissapear. Community must use it unoficially, or not use at all :( | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | of course, CSSU could have every *other* thing needed for it to work included | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | so it's just drop-in via mentioned automagic script | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | i.e. end user jsut runds script, that wget it, unpack, set permissions etc | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | ugly, but works | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | of course every end user is "pirating" it in own discretion | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | btw, arcean, as I have it yet haven';t tested it on device yet (lack of time) - does it work as it should? | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | or it lacks HW acceleration etc? | 01:02 |
| merlin1991 | well something that is on the public webserver of the company holding (c) can hardly be pirated :D | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, sure, but not redistributed, and we can't expect it to be there forever | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure whole repo will disappear soon | 01:03 |
| kerio | hm, doesn't the flash 10.1 plugin have lots of problems? | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | so in long run, probably torrent/share service will be only home for such thing | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | or private repo in country that permits it | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | kerio, it's not that plugin You think about | 01:04 |
| kerio | k | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | this one, reportedly, works fine. There was request to not talk about it, until mirroring repos is finished, but it was 3 weeks ago | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | and arcean told it already ;) | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | so i'm suree no harm in calling it via real name | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | after all, repos were mirrored AFAIK, and I don't like those conspiracy going forever ;) | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | we're foss, after all | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | arcean, do you confirm, that it works fine with hw accel? | 01:05 |
| kerio | going to sleep, cya | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | have nice erotic dreams. | 01:05 |
| arcean | I'm pretty sure the number of mirrors is much, much bigger than overall numer of Nokia's servers :P | 01:08 |
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| amiconn | Estel_: Any ETA for usable fennec? All versions I've tried so far were unusably sloooooooow | 10:10 |
| amiconn | Not only its own gui + layout engine, but even plugin output was unusable (flash stuff that runs okay in microb was not usable in fennec) | 10:11 |
| ShadowJK | if we could get fennec to use less ram | 10:53 |
| ShadowJK | maybe even trade ram for increased cpu use | 10:54 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: *poke* | 17:03 |
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| kerio | hm, freemangordon said not to update anything | 17:16 |
| kerio | but these packages have a higher version! they must be better! | 17:16 |
| Raimu | kerio: What, those brewing in cssu thumb testing? I installed all of those. Test away if you dare. | 17:23 |
| kerio | :3 | 17:25 |
| kerio | the updated microb-engine that should fix the tls issue | 17:25 |
| kerio | yeah | 17:25 |
| jonwil | anyone installing cssu-thumb in the first place is obviously willing to be a guinea pig :) | 17:30 |
| freemangordon | new update is out, testing on my primary device, gimme a minute to update and reboot and you should be good to go | 18:20 |
| freemangordon | just have in mind the kernel is still not updated | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ping | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | well, my device booted, https://google.com works with TLS enabled,so I assume everything is ok | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | Raimu, kerio, jonwil ^^^ | 18:24 |
| kerio | ^^ | 18:24 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: what about the bug regarding browserd not closing correctly? | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | fixed | 18:32 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | or at least should be :P | 18:32 |
| Pali | ok, going to update | 18:34 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: i was pinging you bekause of kp bootimg provides, it is what is stopping me to upgrade kernel-cssu and to fix dependencies | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | s/bekause/because/ | 18:43 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: Pali: i was pinging you because of kp bootimg provides, it is what is stopping me to upgrade kernel-cssu and to fix dependencies | 18:43 |
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| Pali | problem is with repositories | 19:55 |
| Pali | freemangordon, change depends to: kernel-power-flasher | kernel-cssu-flasher | 19:56 |
| Pali | this could be temp solution until repositories will be fixed | 19:56 |
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| Raimu | freemangordon: Updated. | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: ok? | 20:11 |
| Raimu | Yes! TLS fine. | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | ~tls | 20:12 |
| infobot | methinks tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl) but there could be thread-local storage or, in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, what's mean ThreeLetter Acronym | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes :D | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: yes, i know ;) | 20:12 |
| Raimu | freemangordon: How's the fennec thing progressing? | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | tomorrow will update the kernel, and after that will start to add more packages | 20:13 |
| Raimu | I haven't been following. | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: hard to say | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | sunspider results are back to normal, but memory usage is too big | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | abot 100MB for only TMO opened :( | 20:14 |
| Raimu | Sounds like regular Firefox. | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | anyway I will pester zeq to open bugs with all of the maemo5 patches | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | and because of the toolchain upgrade none of us did have time to check one thing romaxa wants to be checked | 20:15 |
| Raimu | (I just checked to open tmo and nothing else in Firefox on Windows - 195 megs gulped) | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | ]but now the things are settled down, so we can continue | 20:16 |
| Raimu | Ah. | 20:16 |
| Raimu | You guys're doing great. :) I have nothing but thanks. | 20:17 |
| kerio | freemangordon: so will i be able to officially pass to the thumb repo? | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: well, thank you for being my first guinea pig :D | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | kerio: what? | 20:22 |
| kerio | right now i only have the packages installed | 20:22 |
| kerio | mp-fremantle-community-pr is still the cssu-testing one | 20:22 |
| kerio | because you want me to install your ugly kernel instead of pali's beautiful one :3 | 20:22 |
| Raimu | ¬_¬;; | 20:24 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: I don't want anything from you :P . BTW you may want to check the maintainers of KP ;) | 20:38 |
| kerio | ONLY PALI IS THE TRUE GOD | 20:39 |
| kerio | ALL HAIL PALI | 20:39 |
| Raimu | Thankfully he isn't here, he'd be pissed off with all those hilights. | 20:39 |
| Raimu | You don't wanna say your lord's name in vain. | 20:39 |
| kerio | anyway, i still think that there should be a separation between a stock-ish kernel and a power-ish kernel | 20:40 |
| kerio | if anything, for traditio | 20:40 |
| kerio | n | 20:40 |
| Raimu | Tradition is the worst excuse for anything. What tradition stands for may have worth, but. | 20:40 |
| kerio | hehe | 20:41 |
| Raimu | Anyway, seems unlikely that people would accept CSSU phasing out a stock-ish kernel. | 20:42 |
| kerio | why not? it would just be a kernel upgrade | 20:42 |
| kerio | otoh, if someone actually finds a way to build a "power" kernel in a way that leaves it abi-compatible with the stock omap1 kernel... | 20:43 |
| kerio | but how would that work? the version is even different | 20:43 |
| Raimu | mmm. | 20:43 |
| kerio | kp is at 2.6.28.10, stock is 2.6.28.0 iirc | 20:43 |
| kerio | fmg said he was working on it | 20:43 |
| kerio | at that point, kernel-power could just be released as "kernel" | 20:44 |
| kerio | for cssu-testing | 20:44 |
| Raimu | I guess one issue is that CSSU has officially stayed out of the kernelspace so far. | 20:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05 says that cssu SHALL NOT break third-party applications that rely on the kernel being the stock nokia kernel | 20:45 |
| Raimu | I'm not the brightest star to argue along the lines of "what CSSU is and isn't" but that's... yes. | 20:45 |
| kerio | i say that people who buy joikuspot instead of using mobilehotspot/qtmobilehotspot deserve it | 20:45 |
| kerio | but i'm a dick | 20:46 |
| Raimu | I do understand that backwards comp reasoning. | 20:46 |
| kerio | besides, joiku works with kernel-power | 20:46 |
| kerio | the issue is the generic third party program | 20:46 |
| Raimu | But also it bugs me that backward-comp is needed for apps that were farted out in a hasty manner and never fixed and won't be updated ever again. | 20:46 |
| kerio | did the kernel not change between nokia PRs? | 20:46 |
| kerio | Raimu: fuckin' THAT | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | stock is 2.6.28.10, KP is 2.6.28.10. period. | 21:06 |
| kerio | oh ok | 21:08 |
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| Estel_ | freemangordon, what is wrong with current kernel, i.e. what is the change and problem with repository again? | 22:51 |
| Estel_ | sorry for asking when You're in middle of work, I would jsut love to jump into properly updated cssu-thumb wagon :) | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nuttin wrong with current kernel ;-P | 22:52 |
| Estel_ | and after reading 2q46216542374652376473285435 pages on forum. I still don't know current state opf manual steps required. Oh well. | 22:52 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, define current ;P | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | current: [adj] used as in >> <Estel_> freemangordon, what is wrong with current kernel | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict current | 22:54 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'current' (1 of 9): occurring in or belonging to the present time; "current events"; "the current topic"; "current negotiations"; "current psychoanalytic theories"; "the ship's current position" . | 22:54 |
| Estel_ | well, following it, it's kernel-cssu with thumb support or kp51 with thumbs support | 22:54 |
| Estel_ | if we go into philosophical discussions, it is only one kernel being developed now in context of Maemo | 22:55 |
| Estel_ | it should suffice "current":P | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | following it it's a gas | 22:55 |
| Estel_ | :P | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | or plasma | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | coming next - plasma vacuum shield, powered from N900's battery and controlled via usb hostmode | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | why not, we have portable brain scanner already | 22:58 |
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